Russia Sends A Message

July 13, 2012: Japan recently revealed that on June 29th, several of their F-15 fighters were sent up to intercept four Russian Tu-22 bombers. The Japanese F-15 pilots described the Russian aircraft as carrying air-to-surface missiles. The Japanese Air Force did not release any pictures and some Japanese media reported that the missiles were of the anti-ship variety. Russia has several airborne anti-ship missiles, most of them modified versions of anti-ship missiles usually carried by ships or by trucks (for coast defense.) The appearance of Russian heavy bombers near Japanese air space, carrying large air-to-surface missiles, is increasingly common. To Japan, it's all about Russia rejecting Japanese efforts to regain possession of the Kurile Islands (seized by Russia after World War II). In the 1990s, Russian air power was notably absent from the seas surrounding Japan. But in the last decade that has changed.

The Tu-22 is a 1970s design. It's a 126 ton, twin-engine, swing wing aircraft with a crew of four (two pilots, a bombardier, and defensive systems operator). Originally it had a 23mm cannon mounted in a tail turret. It normally carries 12 tons of bombs and missiles (including up to four large missiles) but can carry 24 tons over shorter distances. Max speed is 2,300 kilometers an hour and combat radius is 2,400 kilometers. Originally equipped for aerial refueling this capability was removed in the early 1980s to comply with the SALT treaty (which reduced U.S. and Russian nuclear capabilities). The Tu-22M was roughly equivalent to the 45 ton FB-111. Russia hopes to have a new bomber design in service by 2030, to replace the aging Tu-22M3Ms.

Russia is upgrading 30 of its Tu-22M3 bombers to the Tu-22M3M standard. The first of the M3M models recently entered service. This new version has improved electronics, is able to deliver smart bombs, and has in-flight refueling capabilities restored. Other components of upgraded aircraft were refurbished as needed. This is expected to keep these 30 Tu-22M3Ms in service for another decade or more. All 30 upgrades will not be completed until the end of the decade.

A decade ago Russia had over a hundred Tu-22M3 "Backfire" bombers in service. Or so it was claimed, as these aircraft didn't fly much. When the Cold War ended in 1991, over 300 were still in service. About 500 were produced between 1969 and 1993. The Tu-22M saw combat in Afghanistan, where it carpet bombed areas thought to contain Afghan rebels during the 1980s. Some were also used in the 2008, war with Georgia. Efforts to find export customers failed.

Russia still has some Cold War era Kh-55 (AS-15) cruise missiles available for use by these heavy bombers. Five years ago an upgrade, the Kh-555, appeared. This missile is six meters (19.8 feet) long, weighs 1.6 tons, and has a range of 3,000 kilometers. The 364 kg (800 pound) conventional warhead appears to be a cluster bomb type (carrying bomblets). The missile uses inertial and satellite supplied guidance and can hit within six meters of its aiming point. There was also a nuclear version but this does not appear to be in regular service.

Currently, Tu-160 and Tu-95MS heavy bombers normally carry a dozen Kh-555 cruise missiles each. The Tu-22M can carry four of them. Recent Russian air exercises off northern Japan put 400 cruise missiles, aimed south and able to hit anywhere in the Japanese islands, in the air, hanging from bombers flying close to Japan. Russia was sending a message.


http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/articles/20120713.aspx

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@several of their F-15 fighters were sent up to intercept four Russian Tu-22.

Repost it a gain for Coaldle, just to read it. AS-4 is still a huge threat to Japan shipping despite what he sais.

"@several of their F-15 fighters were sent up to intercept four Russian Tu-22.

Repost it a gain for Coaldle, just to read it. AS-4 is still a huge threat to Japan shipping despite what he sais."

I never said they weren't a threat...but are the Japanese totally defenseless against them? I have my doubts about that.

Listen Wert, I appreciate that you have significant issues understanding and using the English language therefore further conversation with you appears to be pointless as you will simply resort to hyperbole (and not irony, despite what you believe the definitions of those two words are).

By the way, just some further English vocabulary lessons for you...

Several - More than two but not many;
Half - Either of two equal or corresponding parts into which something is or can be divided:

So for example when saying, "several of their F-15 fighters were sent up to intercept four Russian Tu-22." The speaker is most likely implying that somewhere more than two and less than a dozen fighters were scrambled to intercept 4 radar contacts approaching Japanese territorial waters (my guess is four F-15s were scrambled). If however the speaker had said "half of their F-15 fighters were sent up to intercept a single Russian Tu-22", the speaker would specifying that half (or about 100 fighters) were scrambled to intercept a single bomber...which you earlier attempted to imply was the standard Japanese response to any Russian military aircraft approaching Japanese waters.

But make no mistake, I have no doubts that Japan could scramble at least half their F-15s within a matter minutes if need be...which is a level of operational availability that the Russian military can only dream of.

Now furthermore since it is standard military practice in almost every nation on the planet to scramble some interceptors against any unscheduled radar contact approaching a nations airspace, I was never clear on how you inferred that the JSDF is terrified of the Russians from that...but I suppose since you Greeks are too broke to scramble your interceptors to challenge the daily violations of Greek airspace by Turkish military aircraft, you wrongly assume that all nations are as defenseless as Greece...LOL.

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@I never said they weren't a threat...but are the Japanese totally defenseless against them? I have my doubts about that.

Never said that, but only Russian Navy posseses these "wonder weapons" than can wreck havoc to any navy, except USN. This is what Japs are still afraid, the leftovers of Soviet engineering that still works today. Without them (AS-4, SS-19 etc) Russian navy would be in much worse situation against modern Jap fleet.

@Listen Wert, I appreciate that you have significant issues understanding and using the English language therefore further conversation with you appears to be pointless as you will simply resort to hyperbole (and not irony, despite what you believe the definitions of those two words are).

My English is not my mother tongue but yet i am certified by Michigan Uni on them so there is no problem with them. But learn to read, Irony () and hyperbole () like hundreds of words you use every day are loans from Greek language. I don;t think you are in position to lecture me on how to use it, maybe you should study some Greek, it will help you broaden your mind and learn how to use Greek words more efficiently. I was ironic on the hyperbolic reactions of the Japs everytime one 60 years old bomber nears their islands.
Here is a list that can help you understand why you can not lecture a Greek use his language
http://members.multimania.co.uk/petridis/wordsgr.htm

@Now furthermore since it is standard military practice in almost every nation on the planet to scramble some interceptors against any unscheduled radar contact approaching a nations airspace, I was never clear on how you inferred that the JSDF is terrified of the Russians from that...but I suppose since you Greeks are too broke to scramble your interceptors to challenge the daily violations of Greek airspace by Turkish military aircraft, you wrongly assume that all nations are as defenseless as Greece...LOL.

Greece is not defenceless from anyone. We might be bankrupt but HAF still has the equipment and human resources to prevail against TAF and most of the worlds air forces, of course RCAF with its 77 CF-18 would be just a joke for HAF that would eat it for breakfast. But as we cannot shoot down TAF planes, we just send a pair of interceptors to photograph them and recognise their type, not "several of our planes" to intercept a small formation. As a Canadian you should not try to make fan of Greek Armed forces, Canada has the money but still many failures like its submarine fleet or many years ago (around 1997) when Canadian Navy realised that they didnt know how shoot Sea Sparrow after missile excersises failed (you can google it,i am into defence press years before internet expanded unlike you) .

Finally regarding our old argument about F14, i will copy wikipedia
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Japs lack behind from these capabilities that USN saw as vital, high-endurance interceptor + long-range missiles.

"Never said that, but only Russian Navy posseses these "wonder weapons" than can wreck havoc to any navy, except USN. This is what Japs are still afraid, the leftovers of Soviet engineering that still works today."

No indeed you did not say that, you actually said:

"The 3 Oscar's missiles or Slavas missiles have 500km++ range, more than enough to sink half of Japan's fleet without Japs being able to respond with short legged Harpoons."

...which implies that you believe a single Slava class cruiser (or 3 Oscar class submarines) operating entirely independently (no air assets) can sink 20 modern surface combatants...tell me was that irony or hyperbole on your part?

Interestingly the one thing you seem to keep forgetting is that the Soviets developed saturation missile attacks (launching huge numbers of missiles at a single target) to overwhelm the increasingly sophisticated and effective anti-missile defenses being fielded by NATO surface combatants.

...and finally the one thing you do indeed keep saying is that the JMSDF is frightened of the Russian Pacific Fleet, which to me is further hyperbole on your part. I am certain that the JMSDF has a great deal of respect for the capabilities of the Russian PF, but I also think that the leadership of the JSDF has spent many years analyzing and equipping their forces to have at least have a decent chance of taking on the Russian PF.

"My English is not my mother tongue but yet i am certified by Michigan Uni on them so there is no problem with them. But learn to read, Irony () and hyperbole () like hundreds of words you use every day are loans from Greek language. I don;t think you are in position to lecture me on how to use it, maybe you should study some Greek, it will help you broaden your mind and learn how to use Greek words more efficiently."

I don't give a flying f^ck if they are Swahili in origin...kindly point out to me what is ironic about this statement of yours...

"Do not forget anytime a single Tu 160 blackjack flies near the islands, the Japs scramble half of their airforce to intercept it"

...however I know you will not answer the question, I know you will instead continue to deflect the question and keep blathering about the origin of words and imaginary University certifications you have, making a larger *** of yourself with every post. But fine by me, make an idiot of yourself...it only serves to undermine what little credibility you have in the rest of your arguments.

"I was ironic on the hyperbolic reactions of the Japs everytime one 60 years old bomber nears their islands. "

No, you were exaggerating to support your argument...that is hyperbole. Here are the definitions of the words hyperbole and irony for your review again.

Irony - is a rhetorical device, literary technique, or situation in which there is a sharp incongruity or discordance that goes beyond the simple and evident intention of words or actions.
Hyperbole - is the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression.

...and as rhetorical device there is no such thing as a hyperbolic action. So you have now used both hyperbole and irony incorrectly...you are indeed a genius of the English language, at least in your own mind. Note again I don't really care what you believe the definition of the words are...Oxford or Webster's definitions are what I (and the rest of the world for that matter) uses. Now since I appreciate that you are not the sharpest of knives here in the WAFF drawer, let provide some examples of irony for you:

1. It is Ironic that Alanis Morisette wrote a song titled "Ironic" but failed to cite a single example of irony throughout the entire song.
2. It is very ironic that Turkish kebab vendors throughout Germany are paying taxes so that Greeks can avoid having to pay taxes to support their own country.

...are you starting to grasp what an ironic statement or occurrence is?

By the way nice list of words...I am assuming you can't use any of them correctly in a sentence and would like my assistance?

"...of course RCAF with its 77 CF-18 would be..."

...77 more aircraft than HAF could get off the ground because the Greek government is bankrupt and can't afford to provide fuel for any of it's aircraft. LOL.

"...i am into defence press years before internet expanded unlike you)"

...and you still don't have a clue...pity. One would have thought that after all of those years of reading you would have realized how ineffective almost every piece "wonder" Soviet weaponry has actually performed in real combat against Western systems over the past 30 years...by the way in case you missed it in your reading (or were perhaps blinded by the specifications of them) their record isn't that great.

"Finally regarding our old argument about F14, i will copy wikipedia
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Japs lack behind from these capabilities that USN saw as vital, high-endurance interceptor + long-range missiles. "

Really!?! Wikipedia used the term Japs!?! ...obviously not only are defense analysis and the English language beyond your intellectual abilities...but apparently copying and pasting is also beyond you...you should go back to fantasizing about how Greece is anything other than a bankrupt nation that must call Berlin and beg for supplies prior to sortie anything these days. LOL.

By the way, the sentence I believe you were trying to copy and paste reads like this, "Beginning in the late 1950s, the U.S. Navy sought a long-range, high-endurance interceptor to defend its carrier battle groups against long-range anti-ship missiles launched from Soviet jet bombers and submarines." Your assumption is that in the ensuing ~60+ years the USA did not develop and realize it had other defenses that provided equal or better protection to it's CSGs (AEGIS comes to mind...I suppose since that has a reference to Ancient Greek mythology you will claim to be an expert on it).

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@...which implies that you believe a single Slava class cruiser (or 3 Oscar class submarines) operating entirely independently (no air assets) can sink 20 modern surface combatants...tell me was that irony or hyperbole on your part?

No, it implies that RPF still has ASM capabilities that are any navy would be scared of. Where exactly did i say that one ship can sink 20 modern combatants

@Interestingly the one thing you seem to keep forgetting is that the Soviets developed saturation missile attacks (launching huge numbers of missiles at a single target) to overwhelm the increasingly sophisticated and effective anti-missile defenses being fielded by NATO surface combatants.

They specifically developed these capabilities targeting Carrier Battle Groups, their main target. Using this capabilities against a navy that has no Carriers would be easier and deadlier.

@I am certain that the JMSDF has a great deal of respect for the capabilities of the Russian PF, but I also think that the leadership of the JSDF has spent many years analyzing and equipping their forces to have at least have a decent chance of taking on the Russian PF.

So talk again to your poodle who underestimates RPF with the phrases "Yeah I'm sure the Nipponese Navy is shaking in their boots at those rusted ships" and "Six Jap ships can take care of that whole boris task force". My initial post about the abilities of RPF comes after his derogatory comments and lack of knowledge.

@.however I know you will not answer the question, I know you will instead continue to deflect the question and keep blathering about the origin of words and imaginary University certifications you have, making a larger *** of yourself with every post. But fine by me, make an idiot of yourself...it only serves to undermine what little credibility you have in the rest of your arguments

SO you moron, you come here to question my education degrees and my credibility? Who gave you this right, do you have any idea what is CPE or TOEFL certification? Providing proofs to idiots like you is peace of cake and i will do is if needed to, but for now i just note how credible is someone who tries to question another Waffer's ducations level without knowing anything about him.

@Now since I appreciate that you are not the sharpest of knives here in the WAFF drawer, let provide some examples of irony for you

LOL, said the person who cannot distinguish between an SSGN and SSBN sub. So tell me computer geek , what exactly makes you the sharpest of knifs here, cause your knowledge on defence matters is not your strong point. Explain me how Deltas (developed in 1965) where meant to replace Oscars (developed in 1975), genioushttp://www.network54.com/Realm/SmilesWAFF/facepalm.gif

@77 more aircraft than HAF could get off the ground because the Greek government is bankrupt and can't afford to provide fuel for any of it's aircraft. LOL

HAF can easily get off ground 150+ F16 M2k and F4 any time , as i said CAF is just a peace of cake for bankrupt Greek Air Force.
But the fact that you resolve to insult my country reveals who tries to divert conversation on other matters, why the f@ck are you so interested in Greece, we never asked for Canada's money for bailour and we really do not give a sh@t on what you believe.

@No, you were exaggerating to support your argument...that is hyperbole. Here are the definitions of the words hyperbole and irony for your review again.

No, i really ment literally that any time an Tu 160 flies they scramble 212 fighter planes to intercept it......I am so happy Coalde came and gave me lessons on how to use Greek words and that Japs do not scramble indeed 212 planes......Now go back to your hole and do not comment again on my post, i will survive with out a Canadian lecturing me about Greek words...

@By the way, the sentence I believe you were trying to copy and paste reads like this

I give you credit on that, you found the right sentence , in order to fill the gap of knowledge you have on defence matters i provide another copy paste, correctly this time

"The F-14 was origionally concieve to replace the F-4 as a Fleet Defense interceptor in the 1970's. The need for the plane arose when US intelligence realized that the sovites were putting supersonic anti-ship cruise misslies on the TU-142 Bear F naval patrol bombers. These newer missiles were longer range then the prieveous generation of Soviet anti-ship missiles, which allowed the bombers to stay out of reach of the F-4's while launching their attacks. To counter the new threat the Navy developed the AWG-9/AIM-54 radar and missile system. The origional idea was to mount the system on a Navy vresion of the F-111. However, the F-111 was to heavy for safe carrier operations. To correct this the F-14 Tomcat was built around the AWG-9/AIM-54 weapon system as an interceptor aircraft and fleet defense fighter. Years later, after the cold war ended, the theat of Bear-F's attacking the fleet from the air disappeared, making the now aging F-14 obsolete in it's origional mission. As others have said, this fact, combined with the F/A-18's better gorund attack capibility made the F-14 an unessacary expense for the navy. Also, as the fleet ages, it becomes more expensive to maintain and upgrade. "


Tested or not Russian ASM missiles have still capabilities second to none. Jap Navy can try them anytime they want if they feel so confident against Russians. Especially without Uncle Sam Carrier support.

Well first off...

"So talk again to your poodle who underestimates RPF with the phrases "Yeah I'm sure the Nipponese Navy is shaking in their boots at those rusted ships" and "Six Jap ships can take care of that whole boris task force". My initial post about the abilities of RPF comes after his derogatory comments and lack of knowledge."

Well it really isn't my fault that El Wapo has likely owned you badly and left you a butt hurt and bleeding wreck on the side of a WAFF thread many times...however he is not my "poodle", he has own opinions. If you wish to debate him and not me may I suggest you reference him and not me in your posts. For instance if you wished to discuss this matter with El Wapo, your first post in this thread should have read:

"Repost it a gain for El Wapo, just to read it. AS-4 is still a huge threat to Japan shipping despite what he sais."

...you see how that works? You mention the name of the person you wish to debate on a matter.

Mention my name and claim I said something I did not and rest assured that I will appear and make you look like an idiot.

"Where exactly did i say that one ship can sink 20 modern combatants"

When you said that "the missiles on a Slava or 3 Oscars could sink half the Japanese fleet"...I quoted your statement from the same thread that you quoted my error regarding the Delta and Oscars (I was thinking about the Yankee class as I had just read something regarding them)...so obviously you are aware of where you made that statement, and are now attempting to claim you did not ever make it...this would seem to indicate that you are also dishonest (in addition to being uneducated, prone to exaggeration and poorly read on most subjects...despite your denials to the contrary).

Much in the same way you have used the term "afraid" many times when referring to the JSDF opinion of the RPF. As you are not a member of the JSDF I believe that is additional hyperbole on your part to support your weak argument.

"...do you have any idea what is CPE or TOEFL certification?"

Ummmm...what people who have no idea what the meaning of the words that they use get as a consolation prize for being incapable of graduating from middle school because they are too stubborn to admit their mistakes and therefore learn anything new?

"Providing proofs to idiots like you is peace of cake and i will do is if needed to, but for now i just note how credible is someone who tries to question another Waffer's ducations level without knowing anything about him."

...fine then provide some proofs, God knows I have only been asking for them from the beginning of my interactions with you...you have responded with nothing but exaggerated opinion. For the most part I have proven (with verifiable facts and logic) your opinions to be incorrect, poorly researched and/or thought out. You are welcome to provide evidence to back your statements, but I doubt you can.

I have proven that this holds true in your beliefs surrounding the definitions and use of various words, therefore I am fairly confident that it holds true in the rest of your opinions and so far I have been correct as the only evidence you provided to back your statements about anything naval are gross exaggerations based solely upon your personal biases.

"No, i really ment literally that any time an Tu 160 flies they scramble 212 fighter planes to intercept it"

In other words you made a factually incorrect statement (as you have provided no evidence that the JSDF scrambles anything more than "several" aircraft to intercept radar signals approaching their coasts, as per common standard operating procedure in every nation with an air force), then incorrectly called it irony, and have now changed your story once again to claim that you were making a factually correct statement and were not attempting to use a literary device...if we combine that with your opening denial of ever having made the statement I quoted this leads one to believe that you lack the moral courage and maturity to admit when you have made a mistake and stand up for your beliefs...but I suppose since the words courage and maturity do not originate from Greece their concepts are likely foreign to you as well.

Oh and by the way here is the link to your quote regarding the F-14...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread276525/pg2

...certainly I can think of no more authoritative source than an anonymous post on an Internet message board.

By the way, is their no depth that you will not stoop to in avoiding admitting that you made an error and/or were exaggerating?

...defense expert my ***...LOL

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"Come out from man foul spirit. What is thy name?" And he said unto him, "Our name is legion, for we are many." Gospel of Mark, 5 - 8

Patriotism is your conviction that your country is superior to all others because you were born in it. George Bernard Shaw

@Well it really isn't my fault that El Wapo has likely owned you badly and left you a butt hurt and bleeding wreck on the side of a WAFF thread many times...

I never had a debate with ELWAPO as far i remember the last 9 years i am in this forum so where exactly did he hurt my but??Talking out of your ARSE No.1
You where the on to jump on the thread to comment on my post without in fact commenting on the main point of it ( abilities of RPC) but going on other matters.

@When you said that "the missiles on a Slava or 3 Oscars could sink half the Japanese fleet"

i said "The 3 Oscar's missiles or Slavas missiles have 500km++ range, more than enough to sink half of Japan's fleet without Japs being able to respond with short legged Harpoons."

Not that 16 missiles of one Slava can sink 20+ ships, but the sum of 24x3 + 16 = 88 highly sofisticated 5tons 2.5mach missiles of these assets can do. Plus the AS-4 of NAval Aviation. Talking out of your ARSE No.2

@what people who have no idea what the meaning of the words that they use get as a consolation prize for being incapable of graduating from middle school because they are too stubborn to admit their mistakes and therefore learn anything new?

My University Degree + English language certificates( CPE level) are on your disposal. The "imaginary University certifications you have" phrase shows your frustration and your resolving on personal insults for which i do not give a sh@t as anyway my carrer does not depend on you. Talking out of your ARSE No.3

@fine then provide some proofs
Is photos of a CPE level from Michigan university sufficient for you? YOu can ask Orao on who i am.

@therefore I am fairly confident that it holds true in the rest of your opinions and so far I have been correct as the only evidence you provided to back your statements about anything naval are gross exaggerations based solely upon your personal biases.

Generalising on everything in order to avoid facts. Did you finally learn what was the main mission of F 14 or do you need more reading?

@In other words you made a factually incorrect statement (as you have provided no evidence that the JSDF scrambles anything more than "several" aircraft to intercept radar signals approaching their coasts, as per common standard operating procedure in every nation with an air force), then incorrectly called it irony, and have now changed your story once again to claim that you were making a factually correct statement and were not attempting to use a literary device...

In any airforce they scramble "some" planes (usually couple), not several and Foreign Minister does not jump in order to make it a big issue. I prefere to be IRONIC on Jap's HYPERVOLIC reactions. Are you a Jap offspring by the way or something?

@certainly I can think of no more authoritative source than an anonymous post on an Internet message board.
So show me a more authoritative source that explains the main mission of F 14 + Phoenix missile. But any military expert knows this and does not have to resolve into googling in order to make a point.

For your education Yankee class was also an SSBN, YANKE NOTCH was a SSGN and appeared in 1983! years after Oscars and Deltas. Sharpest knife and military expers my ARSE you are......


@By the way, is their no depth that you will not stoop to in avoiding admitting that you made an error and/or were exaggerating?
Exaggerating on what? Your posts shows your luck of real life and communication with real people and the way normal people use Metaphor- Irony- Hypervole in order to make a point on a relaxed conversation and not a court.

In the past i hae wrote something about Russian pilots on Vodka after an accident, are you going to accuse me of being Hypervolic on saying that all Russian pilots are on Vodka while flying? Get a life and friends KID.

OMG! It is like the Energizer bunny of stupidity and poor English was let into WAFF...here are some English definitions for you...

Likely - Such as well might happen or be true; probable. e.g. "El Wapo has likely owned you badly and left you a butt hurt and bleeding wreck on the side of a WAFF thread many times."

"You where the on to jump on the thread to comment on my post without in fact commenting on the main point of it ( abilities of RPC) but going on other matters.

Even I can't decipher wtf you are attempting to say there....if you want to go back our initial exchange looks like this...

Begin at July 8 2012, 7:03 PM

...I mean you have obviously went back at least once and read the entire thread looking for an error I made somewhere in my reasoning and facts (the Yankee/Delta/Oscar mixup I made when talking with irkut). To be quite blunt, I found it quite rude that you interrupted a rather civil and enlightening conversation that irkut and I were having surrounding the meaning of the word "reserve" as it pertains to Russian naval vessels, with your hyperbolic unsupported claims and poorly thought out childish theories surrounding naval warfare technology.

"Not that 16 missiles of one Slava can sink 20+ ships, but the sum of 24x3 + 16 = 88 highly sofisticated 5tons 2.5mach missiles of these assets can do. Plus the AS-4 of NAval Aviation."

So basically what you are saying is that the entire Russian Pacific Fleet and Naval Air Arm (stationed in the Pacific theater) can sink half the Japanese fleet? I don't think I ever disagreed with that assertion, of course I believe in such an action that the entire JSDF would probably leave the entire RPF as nothing more than a series of artificial reefs surrounding the Japanese islands (assuming the Russians to be the aggressor in said situation).

Now before you start including Russian Air Force assets, I would point out that in any confrontation the RPF would likely be facing not only the JSDF, but also likely 2 or 3 USN CSGs and whatever USAF assets are stationed in Alaska and Japan. You will note I mentioned the part about the USN CSGs way back on July 8 2012, 7:32 PM...so apparently not only do you have a hard time using even simple words in English you don't even bother paying attention to the replies of other WAFFers...that must make things very difficult for you here on WAFF...you have my sympathies.

"My University Degree + English language certificates( CPE level) are on your disposal. The "imaginary University certifications you have" phrase shows your frustration and your resolving on personal insults for which i do not give a sh@t as anyway my carrer does not depend on you."

All I ever pointed out to you is that you are actually confusing irony with exaggeration and/or hyperbole...you chose to make an argument out of it citing all manner of qualifications and word origins as to why you were correct and the rest of the English speaking world has got it wrong. Case closed, you have demonstrated you exist in your own singular reality, congratulations. As far as I am concerned all you have done is destroy your own credibility here on WAFF by your continued insistence that you know how to use the words irony and hyperbole better than either the Oxford Dictionary (for those of you speaking English) or Webster's Dictionary (for those of you speaking American ). By all means please continue to make a fool of yourself on this subject...I am finding it quite amusing.

"Is photos of a CPE level from Michigan university sufficient for you?"

No, those can be downloaded off the Internet.



Look guys I have an honorary Doctorate from the University of Colorado...that means I must be right. LOL

"YOu can ask Orao on who i am."

Why is he your boyfriend? I am sure you two make a very sweet couple...I am assuming that based upon just how badly you get your panties in a knot that he is the one wearing the pants in that relationship?

"Generalising on everything in order to avoid facts. Did you finally learn what was the main mission of F 14 or do you need more reading? "

I don't believe that I ever contended that the F-14 was designed and deployed as anything other than a fleet interceptor...what I do disagree with is whether it is the only possible defense against a Russian super-sonic anti-shipping missile strike.

"In any airforce they scramble "some" planes (usually couple), not several and Foreign Minister does not jump in order to make it a big issue."

...and again your facts backing this assertion? You make a lot of unsubstantiated assertions and exaggerations in your comments, I prefer to discuss with facts....call me crazy.

"I prefere to be IRONIC on Jap's HYPERVOLIC reactions. Are you a Jap offspring by the way or something?"

For you to be ironic when you make a statement regarding someone scrambling half their aircraft to intercept an inbound contact, you would have to mean that they do not scramble any and ignore the contact. Based upon your follow up comments I find that highly doubtful...but then again you are apparently barely literate so I guess pretty much anything is possible.

By the way, what exactly is hypervole? You use it several times in your response (thereby likely precluding it from being a mere typo on your part)...is that like a field mouse (or vole) jacked up on caffeine or something? I might add that the word hypervole/hypervolic does not appear in any English dictionary.

"So show me a more authoritative source that explains the main mission of F 14 + Phoenix missile. But any military expert knows this and does not have to resolve into googling in order to make a point."

Ummm actually if you want to review this thread, I copied and pasted the sentence you attempted to copy and paste from Wikipedia regarding the F-14. I knew precisely what the F-14 was designed and used for...apparently you had to look it up on Wikipedia and then failed miserably in the highly complex task of copy and paste.

"For your education Yankee class was also an SSBN, YANKE NOTCH was a SSGN and appeared in 1983! years after Oscars and Deltas. Sharpest knife and military expers my ARSE you are......"

Yes I knew that...that is why I said I mixed up the Oscar with the Yankee class you idiot (because I had just been reading something on the Yankee class). Well at least I didn't have to go to abovetopsecret.com to figure out what the F-14 was designed for....but I will give you credit that you managed the complex copy and paste operation pretty good that time...

Also please point out anywhere where I have claimed to be a military expert or the "sharpest knife in the WAFF drawer", because if you are referring to the graphic in my signature, that is an award I was presented by my fellow WAFFers last year and not any kind of self proclamation, such as your claims to be an expert on military matters and/or English (both proven entirely false by yours truly).

"Exaggerating on what?"

That the Japanese overreact to any intrusion into their airspace...you have claimed this many times, insinuating they are motivated by fear...and have yet to prove anything supporting either of those assertions.

"Your posts shows your luck of real life and communication with real people and the way normal people use Metaphor- Irony- Hypervole in order to make a point on a relaxed conversation and not a court."

LOL...there is that wound up rodent making an appearance again...listen chuckles, you are the architect of your own misery in this thread. I had completely dropped the entire original discussion and moved on, you decided to reopen it by claiming I said something I did not...poke a bear with a stick and it will come maul you, a little life lesson there for you.

"Get a life and friends KID."

I would encourage you to do the same, as you apparently are delusional and may need supervision for your own safety...listen I appreciate that WAFF is a pretty tough place to get by with only BS and your fantasies to back your arguments with, perhaps if you educated yourself on a topic and did not rely exclusively on hyperbole and your own personal opinion to support your arguments, you might just fare better here.

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Patriotism is your conviction that your country is superior to all others because you were born in it. George Bernard Shaw

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@Likely - Such as well might happen or be true; probable. e.g. "El Wapo has likely owned you badly and left you a butt hurt and bleeding wreck on the side of a WAFF thread many times."

So LIKELY making an assumption out of your ARSE again, you tend to do this pretty often..

@I mean you have obviously went back at least once and read the entire thread looking for an error I made somewhere in my reasoning and facts (the Yankee/Delta/Oscar mixup I made when talking with irkut). To be quite blunt, I found it quite rude that you interrupted a rather civil and enlightening conversation that irkut and I were having surrounding the meaning of the word "reserve" as it pertains to Russian naval vessels, with your hyperbolic unsupported claims and poorly thought out childish theories surrounding naval warfare technology.

Since when someone cannot post his thoughts on WAFF is 2 people have a "conversation"? If you need to discuss privately use chat, otherwise anyone has the right to post something, especially when i post just my thoughts and not something targeting you, but you where the one responding to me and then ending up on insults.

@So basically what you are saying is that the entire Russian Pacific Fleet and Naval Air Arm (stationed in the Pacific theater) can sink half the Japanese fleet? I don't think I ever disagreed with that assertion, of course I believe in such an action that the entire JSDF would probably leave the entire RPF as nothing more than a series of artificial reefs surrounding the Japanese islands (assuming the Russians to be the aggressor in said situation).

You have got it correct "sharpest knife", i will give you a chocolate bar for that............And my estimates is based on a RPC vs JMSDF scenario, not taking into account any USN involvement or some aliens coming to help the Japs.

@you have demonstrated you exist in your own singular reality
As far as I am concerned all you have done is destroy your own credibility
By all means please continue to make a fool of yourself
you are the architect of your own misery in this thread

Well smart@ss, as far i am concerned, a stupid boy who comes here and present himself as the judge who can decide on his own about someones credibility or educations or knowledge is not a person whose opinion really matters to me. Puting labels on others is your way of responding when you have nothing else to say. Keep debating by yourself and labeling other forumers if it makes you feel good.

@No, those can be downloaded off the Internet
So how many CPE papres issued in Greece in 2003 or TOEFL iBT resaults can you find on the net? You started claiming about imaginary degrees, as i said should you ask about them i am willing to present them.

@Why is he your boyfriend? I am sure you two make a very sweet couple...I am assuming that based upon just how badly you get your panties in a knot that he is the one wearing the pants in that relationship?

Maybe getting a WAFF award made you think you are a "sharp knife" but trully now i wonder WHAT KIND OF IDIOT are you? You must be a complete moron to come and insult not only me but another member the way children do in high school. Orao is a member and friend with who we drunk some beers in real life and you would really not be able to say what you said in front of him or me in person. I do not care what you say about me but you are a really moron insulting other members who did not participate in our argument.

@what I do disagree with is whether it is the only possible defense against a Russian super-sonic anti-shipping missile strike.

Not the only possible defence, in warfare there is never only one solution. But it was designed perform this mission mainly and its capabilities in that mission where never replaced by another system 100%. THe fact that this mission is not a priority for USN anymore is because Russian Aviation has not so many planes operational to threat Carrier BG, however Jap navy without Carriers to protect its ships from long range attacks is another is in a much weaker positions to defend its fleet. AEGIS does not mean you do not need Carriers.

@and again your facts backing this assertion? You make a lot of unsubstantiated assertions and exaggerations in your comments, I prefer to discuss with facts....call me crazy.
That the Japanese overreact to any intrusion into their airspace...you have claimed this many times, insinuating they are motivated by fear...and have yet to prove anything supporting either of those assertions.

"In early September, two Bear bombers flew around the Japanese mainland on a long-range patrol, and while they did not enter Japanese airspace, the flight drew a harsh response from the Japanese Foreign Ministry, which called on Russia to refrain from "provocative" military action. "

Did you ever see RAF scramble "several" planes to intercept a couble of bombers or UK-USA-Canada Foreign Ministers reacting "harsh" about some Russian training flights? In fact NATO reacts much more cool as US representative said

"In fact, [it] gives air defense capabilities good training to get up in the skies and fly," he said.
"Its not seen as a change in the Russian direction," Daalder said of the NATO allies opinion of the operations. "It has no strategic [purpose behind it.] They are trying to modernize their strategic capability; we have good insight into it through the START agreement," Daalder said. NATO understands whats happening, and most members dont feel the need to take issue with the activities so far".

Did you get the point or is it too hard for your intelectual abilities?

@but then again you are apparently barely literate so I guess pretty much anything is possible.

Once again little boy making assumptions out of your ARSE, as i said i have nothing to proove to you but still willing to provide any certifications you might need. So wrap all these silly assumptions and shove them in your butt.

@By the way, what exactly is hypervole?
Unlike you some of as got some formal education so we can speak 2 or 3 or more languages, hyperbole is a Greek word () so confusing -b- with -v- is not a rare mistake for a non native speaker, as in its original Greek form it is pronounced with -v-. Happy now?

@Yes I knew that...that is why I said I mixed up the Oscar with the Yankee class you idiot
At least you learned something, about subs along with knowledge about F14 mission. You see i didn;t have to google anything about these as they are stuffs when known, things i happened read on press way before internet, in times where you where drinking still your milk from a baby bottle


@poke a bear with a stick and it will come maul you, a little life lesson there for you.

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That phrase made me laugh this morning, i give credit to you. On what PLANET do you ever think that you are a bear? Look on the mirror Coalde, i do not think you see a bear but just a boy who tries to be an internet warrior, trying to proove other people wrong thinking he is the "sharpest knife" but in the end resolving on insults and out of his ARSE assumptions to discredid me. You are not a bear Coalde, and in real world, should you make comments about panties and gay relationships, i would punch you hard and put that stick in your arse. But this is internet so people like you can get the joy of feeling supperior by making assumptions on their own and presenting them like well known facts.

Bear in mind Coalde that all this conversation was done by an English native speaker (you) against someone who speaks English as a second language but still it is easy to

^...what a lonely man...

But since you asked, about more than two jets being scrambled...

http://worldofdefense.blogspot.ca/2011/11/nato-scrambles-f-16s-to-intercept.html

...you moron. In fact if I recall correctly the USAF ended up scrambling four F-16s to deal with Payne Stewart's aircraft...obviously they were terrified of his knickers...

P.S. - Orao is an biased make cartoon character on a par with Prado and Yag...he reminds me of the Serbian version of Archie Bunker actually.

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Since it is brutally hot and humid out tonight...

"So LIKELY making an assumption out of your ARSE again, you tend to do this pretty often."

No only a guess at why you seem to dislike El Wapo so much...and why you seem to take such serious umbrage against his comments...he also alluded to how he badly owned regarding the topic of naval technology in the GT forum in our original thread...you know if you expect to participate in a discussion forum, you pretty much have to read what others write if you intend to keep up here...what can I say I guess you are a slow learner, being here for 9 years and all.

"Since when someone cannot post his thoughts on WAFF is 2 people have a "conversation"? If you need to discuss privately use chat, otherwise anyone has the right to post something, especially when i post just my thoughts and not something targeting you, but you where the one responding to me and then ending up on insults."

I never said you couldn't. As a matter of fact I simply called you on an exaggeration, the simplest and most mature thing you could have done is say that you merely exaggerating and left it at that. Instead what you did is try to justify your exaggeration and claim you knew the motivations of another human being and/or an organization that you have likely never had any contact with and since I know that to be impossible my entertainment, fueled by your arrogance, ensued.

In case you didn't realize it our entire conversation has merely been you blindly wandering around a yard strewn with garden rakes stepping on them and comically smacking yourself on the face. On occasion I will goad and taunt you from the fence, but that just gets you to run around faster and hit yourself even harder and more frequently. As I said, I find it amusing, but I am almost starting to feel sorry for you...almost...oh look more rakes below...sigh...

"And my estimates is based on a RPC vs JMSDF scenario, not taking into account any USN involvement or some aliens coming to help the Japs."

A totally isolated conflict between the RPF and the JMSDF? You know aliens coming to help the JMSDF is probably far more likely than your scenario, right? Hmmmm...well we are on the effectiveness of various weapon platforms/systems in unrealistic conditions, how about this one...if the entire Russian beached and then abandoned their craft on an island inhabited by hermit crabs, technically speaking that hermit crab is mightier than the entire Russian Navy. So based on your logic, therefore the Russian Navy is no match and entirely defenseless against hermit crabs in all situations.

"Well smart@ss, as far i am concerned, a stupid boy who comes here and present himself as the judge who can decide on his own about someones credibility or educations or knowledge is not a person whose opinion really matters to me. Puting labels on others is your way of responding when you have nothing else to say. Keep debating by yourself and labeling other forumers if it makes you feel good."

Keep making mistakes and then citing credentials in an attempt to intimidate others and I shall...and your label shall be liar.

"So how many CPE papres issued in Greece in 2003 or TOEFL iBT resaults can you find on the net? You started claiming about imaginary degrees, as i said should you ask about them i am willing to present them."

I don't really give a flying f^ck if you have a PhD in Linguistics from Cambridge...the fact of the matter stands. You used two words incorrectly (irony and hyperbole) and then tried to bluff your way through by claiming you have some kind of certification that proves you did not use them incorrectly...in other words you spewed forth BS and I called you on it. Then instead of just saying "fine, point taken", and admitting your mistake (like I did and any reasonable adult would) you continued spewing forth irrelevant certifications and word origins as if that somehow made you right regarding the usage of those words. Obviously you are not a reasonable adult...and therefore you are open game for mockery in my mind.

"Maybe getting a WAFF award made you think you are a "sharp knife" but trully now i wonder WHAT KIND OF IDIOT are you? You must be a complete moron to come and insult not only me but another member the way children do in high school. Orao is a member and friend with who we drunk some beers in real life and you would really not be able to say what you said in front of him or me in person. I do not care what you say about me but you are a really moron insulting other members who did not participate in our argument."

YOU BROUGHT HIM INTO THE CONVERSATION. On top of that I am pretty sure I have taken apart Orao's assumptions and biased theories a few times here on WAFF as well...the topic of DU from a few years back comes to mind, but I can't be bothered to look it up.

"Not the only possible defence, in warfare there is never only one solution. But it was designed perform this mission mainly and its capabilities in that mission where never replaced by another system 100%. THe fact that this mission is not a priority for USN anymore is because Russian Aviation has not so many planes operational to threat Carrier BG, however Jap navy without Carriers to protect its ships from long range attacks is another is in a much weaker positions to defend its fleet. AEGIS does not mean you do not need Carriers."

...or perhaps land based aircraft (or an allies carrier based air assets) are a good substitute for having ones own carrier based air craft...oh wait, in wertGR's fantasy comparison those do not count. Listen if you wish to discuss plausible deployment scenarios with me, by all means, please go right ahead...if you simply wish to set a series of implausible conditions so that you may support your own biased assertions as you parade around the "special ed" center calling yourself a military "expert", than you are simply a deluded fool and open to mockery.

"In early September, two Bear bombers flew around the Japanese mainland on a long-range patrol, and while they did not enter Japanese airspace, the flight drew a harsh response from the Japanese Foreign Ministry, which called on Russia to refrain from "provocative" military action. "

Did you ever see RAF scramble "several" planes to intercept a couble of bombers or UK-USA-Canada Foreign Ministers reacting "harsh" about some Russian training flights? In fact NATO reacts much more cool as US representative said"

Did the UK ever have a territorial dispute with Russia (in recent times)? You really should read the ENTIRE article that you have just Googled in support of your argument. You see in one of the immediately following paragraphs in your article it discusses the reasoning behind the statement...

http://www.airforce-magazine.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/2012/February%202012/0212Hibernation.aspx

...now I appreciate that you are a lazy, uneducated and dishonest clod, may I ask do you actually have any redeeming qualities?

"In fact,...

Did you get the point or is it too hard for your intelectual abilities?"

What point? That you are intellectually dishonest? ...yes I knew that. That you spew forth all manner of illogical BS and then claim you have some sort expertise which makes it correct? ...yes I knew you were deluded. ...although the lazy part (i.e. not reading the entire article you just Googled before posting it in support of your argument) was sort of revelation to me with your last post.

"Once again little boy making assumptions out of your ARSE, as i said i have nothing to proove to you but still willing to provide any certifications you might need. So wrap all these silly assumptions and shove them in your butt."

I always can spot someone here on WAFF who likes jamming stuff in butts...of course in your case you are Greek so there is a bit more of predisposition to that sort of thing. So tell me between you and Orao who was doing the butt jamming last night? Perhaps you two should invite Shovelboy over some day.

"At least you learned something, about subs along with knowledge about F14 mission."

I didn't learn anything I didn't already know in this thread...beyond what deceitful insecure simpleton you are.

"You see i didn;t have to google anything about these as they are stuffs when known, things i happened read on press way before internet,"

Then you should have been aware of the territorial dispute between Japan and Russia...the one mentioned in the article you referenced...that sort of explains why the Japanese generally put up a show of force to the Russians. Which means you are either lying about being an expert or you are lying now...which is it?

"in times where you where drinking still your milk from a baby bottle"

Really you are in your 60s and still blather on about your University degrees? You must have lead a pretty useless and uneventful life for these last 40 years.

"That phrase made me laugh this morning, i give credit to you. On what PLANET do you ever think that you are a bear?..."

No I think I am person who exposed you to be the blustering ignorant fool you are...the bear analogy was merely a hint literary flourish...I am prone to that.

"Bear in mind Coalde that all this conversation was done by an English native speaker (you) against someone who speaks English as a second language but still it is easy to..."

Make an idiot out of yourself? ...you will find no argument from me on that one.

You sir are an easily exposed fraud...and always have been here on WAFF.

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He doesn't like me..?

Too much weed has made me forget i ever had a debate with him.

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@ Then instead of just saying "fine, point taken", and admitting your mistake (like I did and any reasonable adult would) you continued spewing forth irrelevant certifications and word origins as if that somehow made you right regarding the usage of those words.

Today i just realised what exactly is the problem with you. It is not a matter of me using words wrong, as i said these words are Greek so using them to make a point does not necessitate speaking English perfectly, unlike original english words. THe problem with you is that Canadian education system faild to teach you Coalde all meanings an aspect of words and how to use them in conversations!! Probably you wherent the "sharpest knife " in literature, probably not even sharp at all. So lets take things from the start.

My main point where i wanted to be ironic on Jap hyperbolic reactions(i explained why i considered it hyperbolic) was " Anytime a single Tu 160 blackjack flies near the islands, the Japs scramble half of their airforce to intercept it"

You uneducated baboon have not learned all these years how to use the word Irony correctly and that it is synonyms to other words, specifiaclly

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony
14951505;

_Irony, sarcasm, satire indicate MOCKERY OF SOMETHING OR SOMEONE_ . The essential feature of irony is the indirect presentation of a contradiction between an action or expression and the context in which it occurs. In the figure of speech, emphasis is placed on the opposition between the literal and intended meaning of a statement; one thing is said and its opposite implied, as in the comment, Beautiful weather, isn't it? made when it is raining or nasty. Ironic literature exploits, in addition to the rhetorical figure, such devices as character development, situation, and plot to stress the paradoxical nature of reality or the contrast between an ideal and actual condition, set of circumstances, etc., frequently in such a way as to stress the absurdity present in the contradiction between substance and form. Irony differs from sarcasm in greater subtlety and wit. In sarcasm ridicule or mockery is used harshly, often crudely and contemptuously, for destructive purposes. It may be used in an indirect manner, and have the form of irony, as in What a fine musician you turned out to be! or it may be used in the form of a direct statement, You couldn't play one piece correctly if you had two assistants. The distinctive quality of sarcasm is present in the spoken word and manifested chiefly by vocal inflection, whereas satire and irony, arising originally as literary and rhetorical forms, are exhibited in the organization or structuring of either language or literary material.Satire usually implies the use of irony or sarcasm for censorious or critical purposes and is often directed at public figures or institutions, conventional behavior, political situations, etc.

Also
Verbal Irony: Sarcasm - When the speaker says, "I appreciate your help.", when no help was provided to the speaker, makes that comment sarcastic. Hyperbole (overstatement) - "There was never anyone as educated.", in describing someone who is uneducated. Understatement - When the speaker says, "It was a bit cold.", when he has lost a leg due to frost bite.

Also
Hyperbole by itself suggested ironic intent in some cases. It may be the case that the ironic tone of voice is nothing more than the use of exaggeration. It is also suggested that the ironic tone of voice may be fairly uncommon in normal discourse but may be used when the amount of common ground shared by the speaker and listener is low. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2012 APA, all rights reserved)

Now after you learn how to use Irony or Sarcasm, you must learn that hyperbole is a way to express verbal irony regarding a situation

For ex,
"Military Intelligence is an oxymoron" is the use of direct sarcasm to suggest that the military would have no intelligence. This might be considered to be a satire and a terse aphorism. "But he's a soldier, so he has to be an Einstein" is the use of sarcasm through irony for the same effect. The use of hyperbole by using the word Einstein calls attention to the ironic intent. An Einstein is an example of synecdoche, as it uses a particular name to represent a class of people: geniuses.

Of course i also learn that not all people can understand sarcasm ,from wiki
"Understanding the subtlety of this usage requires second-order interpretation of the speaker's intentions. This sophisticated understanding can be lacking in some people with certain forms of brain damage, dementia and autism, (although not always)[10] and this perception has been located by MRI in the right parahippocampal gyrus"

So maybe here lies the problem with you. My intention was to sarcastic ironic but your inability to understand it made you ask me to provide link that they indeed scrambled 200 jets. You look like a kid whose luck of good understandig of figures of speech lies either to mental disorder or just luck of good education.

Probably using Greek words is beyond your abilities Coalde, sarcasm, irony, hyperbole, satire, all these are beyond of your abilities. The ability to detect irony is sometimes heralded as a test of intelligence and sophistication, and it seems you fail miserably in that. Try to learn Greek maybe, that will indeed make you look smarter.


PS 1:You know too much about panties and gay stuffs, do you write about stuffs you practice yourselve?
PS 2:My apologies to Provost for destroying his thread and turning into a classroom.

LOL...someone got their panties in a knot.



How long did you have to use Google to find all that?

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"Come out from man foul spirit. What is thy name?" And he said unto him, "Our name is legion, for we are many." Gospel of Mark, 5 - 8

Patriotism is your conviction that your country is superior to all others because you were born in it. George Bernard Shaw

Not a lot, but definatelly it worth the time in order to able to communicate with such a sharp knife [irony intended]

Sigh!

OK Wert I appreciate that you are humiliated and mad about the way that you have been exposed for the deceitful lazy fraud you are...but honestly Googling all that irrelevant grammar stuff and posting it here was pretty lame, as well as counter productive. You see I am going to use that material and your own words to shred what little credibility you have here on WAFF and further expose just how dishonest and desperate...and pathetic a human being you really are. Shall we begin?

So if one reads through all that interesting stuff that WAFF's poster child for birth control (wertGR) just posted on irony, hyperbole and sarcasm one is struck with perhaps the opening sentence he posted regarding irony, "The essential feature of irony is the indirect presentation of a contradiction between an action or expression and the context in which it occurs." So that is a very good description of irony, one I concur with fully, and if analyze Orao's bumchum wert's original statement it read;

"Do not forget anytime a single Tu 160 blackjack flies near the islands, the Japs scramble half of their airforce to intercept it, it shows that still they are pretty scared of Ruskies and not vive versa. [July 8 2012, 7:03 PM]"

Now poor punctuation aside, the absolute contradictory postion to this would be that the Japanese do not bother to scramble any fighters whenever a Russian bomber nears their shores and/or have absolutely no concern over the capabilities of the Russians. So one must ask oneself was this what wert intended the reader to infer with his comments? The best way to determine this would be to review some of wert's additional comments on the mater;

• July 8 2012, 9:13 PM - "I remember they scrambled 22 jets to monitor one Tu-95, plus in 2011 they scrambled jets 175 times only to check Ruskies, you are the computer guy, use Google. and learn to distinguis between irony and reality." [Note this is where he first incorrectly asserts he is being ironic...and also the first of many times he claims that he is speaking in a factually correct manner, yet always fails to provide any evidence.]
• July 17 2012, 7:50 PM - "Did you ever see RAF scramble "several" planes to intercept a couble of bombers or UK-USA-Canada Foreign Ministers reacting "harsh" about some Russian training flights?"

I think any reasonably intelligent person can indeed see that from those two additional statements that wert is indeed trying to support his belief that the Japanese are relatively in fear of the Russians. Now this destroys any claim of hidden contradictory meaning in wert's orginal statement and leaves us with the statement being a bald faced exaggeration and therefore hyperbole.

Interestingly he uses hyperbole the same way that he claims his false credentials and uses the "irrelevant information avalanche" tactic (like in his recent post on sarcasm, irony and hyperbole) in an attempt to deflect the reader from his own ignorance on the topics he claims to be an expert on, thereby exposing his own dishonesty, insecurity and immaturity.

The truly amusing part about his most recent (incoherent) statements, is that if I and the rest of you are indeed "a kid(s) whose lack of good understandig of figures of speech lies either to mental disorder or just lack of good education.", that would make him an even lower order of maturity, intelligence and/or education (not to mention integrity or honesty) than any of us, as it should have become transparent to even the blind, that he is attempting to claim he meant the opposite of his original words (to support his position in the irony argument) but continues attempting to support them and convince others that his original statement was correct (to support his original position in the military argument).

Now wert you are welcome to post entire English grammar textbooks if you wish, however none of them will allow you to both claim irony and that the Japanese are terrified and overreact to flights of Russian bombers, at the same time.

...what a loser.

P.S. - Your comments weren't sarcastic either, thereby proving that you fail to understand yet another concept in English grammar, where exactly did you get these certificates you keep claiming you have? The bottom of your box of cereal?
P.P.S. - It still makes no difference whether the words originate from Greece...or Rome or Sanskrit...the only relevant fact is that you are attempting to use them in English...which you are failing at miserably.

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"Come out from man foul spirit. What is thy name?" And he said unto him, "Our name is legion, for we are many." Gospel of Mark, 5 - 8

Patriotism is your conviction that your country is superior to all others because you were born in it. George Bernard Shaw

YOu got into trouble to read all my lesson to you and still reacted with a big text of NOTHING, exepts some insults?Is that all you can do COalde?

As i said your inability to undestand certain things is an indicatot that for some (mental or not) reason you cannot simple figures of speach.

ex
What a great day (when it is raining in fact) Irony meaning the oposite of what said.

"There was never anyone as educated as Coalde." Use of exageration to imply verbal irony, as probably COalde is uneducated (linguistic at least...)

"But he's a soldier, so he has to be an Einstein" is the use of sarcasm through irony for the same effect. The use of hyperbole by using the word Einstein calls attention to the ironic intent.

"Coalde stayed sleeples days and nights in order to be able to respont about things he cannot naturally comprehend."
Probably you didn't stay sleeples days and nights ( i hope) but the use of exageration by itself suggested ironic intent regarding your effords to present yourself as a linguistic internet warrior.

"Anytime a single Tu 160 blackjack flies near the islands, the Japs scramble half of their airforce to intercept it"
Use of exageration in order to be ironic/sarcastic on Jap's "harsh" reaction to Russian training flights. Of course Japs do not scramble 200 jets but the word "several" or "FM anouncment" from the press implies thet they over react compered to what other countries do.

In order to counter this you mentioned about NATO scrambling 4 (not several) planes, you idiot didn;t read they intercepted 2 different formations comming fron oposite sides (Kalinigrad to Russia and Russia to Kalinigrad) so they had to send 2 pair of fighters.

All in all Coalde, you can try all you want but you still cannot comprehend few simple stuff, and as i mentioned the reason might be that they are over your abilities, being a person with no life or regular interaction with other people. But that is something someone can pity you and understand it. However you are a true and big MORON, ending up in personal insults when you have nothing else to say.

"Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong."
Jean-Jacques Rousseau (but peobably you do not know who he is.........)

"Use of exageration in order to be ironic/sarcastic on Jap's "harsh" reaction to Russian training flights. Of course Japs do not scramble 200 jets but the word "several" or "FM anouncment" from the press implies thet they over react compered to what other countries do."

There is no sarcasm or irony in that statement...there is simply exaggeration because you continue to insist that the Japanese actually do overreact to Russian flights. Please reread the following from the English grammar articles that you posted;

"The essential feature of irony is the indirect presentation of a contradiction between an action or expression and the context in which it occurs. In the figure of speech, emphasis is placed on the opposition between the literal and intended meaning of a statement; one thing is said and its opposite implied, as in the comment, Beautiful weather, isn't it? made when it is raining or nasty."

Sarcasm - When the speaker says, "I appreciate your help.", when no help was provided to the speaker, makes that comment sarcastic.

There is no contradiction in your statement, as you just stated that you genuinely believe that the Japanese overreact to Russian flights. Interestingly, the example that article (that you frantically Googled, posted yet failed to read) gives for hyperbole;

"Hyperbole (overstatement) - "There was never anyone as educated.", in describing someone who is uneducated."

...precisely matches what you said and inferred (and ironically describes your education and understanding of English grammar perfectly) thereby supporting my initial and continued assessment that your statement was indeed hyperbole...and that you are an uneducated moron for failing to read and comprehend the stuff that you post in support of your arguments.

You are welcome to continue to make a fool of yourself and prove that you have absolutely no grasp of the concepts of irony, sarcasm or hyperbole...just as you are welcome to continue to prove you are a deluded idiot who believes that the Japanese overreact to Russian flights around their airspace. I certainly (and suspect the rest of WAFF) find it terribly amusing to watch you prove you are entirely ignorant yet at the same time too arrogant, immature and deluded to admit it (i.e. you are owning yourself badly). Please do continue.

LOL

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You are a lost case Coalde, learn to read dummy, hyperbole is used to express irony/sarcasm, something you seem more and more unable to comprehend.

Read! READ! READ!!!!!

How To Recognize Irony

Quite often sarcasm is mistaken for irony; however, sarcasm is a form of irony which uses sharp wit to highlight the obviousness, stupidity, or annoyance-factor of a situation. One main difference between irony and sarcasm is that irony is generally observed and sarcasm is generally created (i.e. spoken, written). People don't usually go about actively pursuing the creation of irony. On the other hand, anyone who is relatively safe from being labeled stupid, and has availed themselves of the How To Be Sarcastic tutorial, can readily create sarcasm throughout their daily life. This interpretation may be lacking, but it serves to start us on a straightforward path to understanding what irony is.

Let us first understand what is what, before we move into more sophisticated territory.

Verbal Irony: Sarcasm - When the speaker says, "I appreciate your help.", when no help was provided to the speaker, makes that comment sarcastic. Hyperbole (overstatement) - "There was never anyone as educated.", in describing someone who is uneducated. Understatement - When the speaker says, "It was a bit cold.", when he has lost a leg due to frost bite.


"The ironic tone of voice may be confounded with the presence of hyperbole, or exaggeration. In order to assess its importance, hyperbole is orthogonally manipulated in a number of short scenarios. Hyperbole by itself suggests ironic intent in some cases , it may be the case that the ironic tone of voice is nothing more than the use of exaggeration".


Learn the connection between irony and hyperbole before you open you mouth..........Everybody saw here your inability to comprehend simple stuffs, Canadian education systems did wonders to you it seems......

I see that you are still having issues trying to manage opening and closing HTML tags, let me help you...

"Hyperbole by itself suggests ironic intent in some cases..."

Apparently you don't even know what the word "some" means...in addition to your utter cluelessness surrounding irony, sarcasm and hyperbole...despite you yourself posting reams of data that prove you are wrong. Please reread my previous post for a detailed explanation as to why you were neither being ironic, nor sarcastic, but merely exaggerating to support your own (entirely unsubstantiated) beliefs...this is called hyperbole.

Listen I appreciate you are a lonely drooling idiot who lives in his own fantasy world in which you get to define reality...I hate to break it to you, but that reality extends no further than your own (tiny and malformed) mind. Obviously your complete failure in the educational realm has caused you to create this parallel reality (in which you get to define reality for everyone) to protect your fragile and immature ego from facing the often cold reality of an existence shared with other human beings. You are pathetic in the truest sense of the word.

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SOME
A certain number, at least one.
"Some enjoy spicy food, others prefer it milder."

Apparently you cannot comprehend irony/surcasm IN ANY CASE (autism ?).


Case closed i think, everybody can see your intelectual abilities.

As for the other BS you wrote,like always MAKING ASSUMPTIONS OUT OF YOUR ARSE, me lonely?Nice joke KID.

"Don't argue with idiots. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you... " so true with your case.....

"Apparently you cannot comprehend irony/surcasm IN ANY CASE (autism ?)."

No truer words could be spoken...about yourself. You exaggerated the point you were attempting to make (as I have proven with your own words many times), that is neither irony nor sarcasm (as you have amply provided supporting evidence of), that is hyperbole, despite whatever your twisted and incorrect beliefs may be.

Someday should you ever mature beyond the mental age of a child (and perhaps actually take some English courses, instead of merely claiming to be some expert on English) you might understand this. Although I have very little hope that a drooling delusional moron such as yourself has much hope...perhaps some sympathetic German will take pity upon your intellectual plight and employ you as a manual labourer (pretty much all I could ever see you being fit for) in the future.

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"Come out from man foul spirit. What is thy name?" And he said unto him, "Our name is legion, for we are many." Gospel of Mark, 5 - 8

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