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Top Five Reasons The F-35 Will Rule The Sky

July 13 2012 at 11:28 PM
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Despite concerns over the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program, the plane is proving to be the fastest, smartest and most advanced plane to ever fly through the sky. Heres why The Daily Caller thinks it wont be long until the plane takes off.

1. The planes will be cheaper eventually

In lieu of the growing $1.5 trillion price tag on the Joint Strike Fighter, officials at Lockheed Martin, the planes developer, say the price tag will come down as time goes on. While many in the media have jumped at the chance to criticize the growing cost, the companys projections take inflation, raising gas prices and other factors into account. Plus, it would cost the Pentagon more than three times that to update the most current fleet of fourth-generation fighters.

The hefty price tag hasnt deterred international buyers from jumping on the F-35 bandwagon. So far, more than 25 countries have expressed interest in buying the planes. In the United States, the planes are expected to replace others in three services Air Force, Navy and Marines. Experts have predicted by the time the most common variant of the plane is in its tenth production lot, the price per plane will have dropped to a cool $100 million and will continue to fall. Granted, this price is for the standard model. Buyers will have to fork over additional dough in order to outfit the planes with more weapons and spare parts.

2. Its stealthier than any other plane on the planet

While many of the planes in the sky have stealth capabilities, the F-35 takes flying under the radar to a new level. Its more than just adding a coat of paint to the nose and underbelly, said Bob Rubino, director of the F-35 project at Lockheed Martins Washington, D.C., office. This plane camouflages its weapons and fuel tanks, incorporating them in the body of the plane. On the fourth-generation fighters, the fuel tanks, missiles and guns are visible on the underbelly of the plane. But on the F-35, all are undetectable by radar, allowing the plane to get closer to enemies without being seen.

These super-stealth capabilities allow pilots to engage at a closer range, increasing the odds of firing the first shot. And with countries like China and Russia pursuing fifth generation fighters, a plane as covert as the F-35 is invaluable. According to Business Insider, China is pursuing the J-20 Mighty Dragon and Russia the T-50, making two countries planes, the F-22 and the F-35 the only ones in the world with fifth generation designation.

3. Its infrared tracking is so precise, it picks up its own shadow from 45,000 feet in the air

The infrared tracking available on the F-35 is the most advanced on the market, and its only available on the F-35. When soaring above the earth, the tracking is so detailed and specific that it picks up planes, structures and people on the ground below, just as modern infrared does. But this system actually picked up the planes own shadow.

The system is designed for a couple different things, Rubino said. It finds targets on the ground so the pilot gets a visual, does damage assessment after dropping a bomb and can determine what kinds of threats are present in a close-air support mission missions involving plane-to-plane combat. The infrared tracking system has the ability to look for air-to-air targets, too, without using radar a component that is vital in maintaining stealth capabilities. Eventually, the electro-optical tracking system will be available on other planes, but for now, the system is only available on the Joint Strike Fighters.

4. It comes with an awesome helmet

Pilots flying the F-35 not only get to command the most advanced aircraft in the world, but they also wear one advanced piece of head gear. The helmet, designed by Vision Systems International, gives pilots a 360-degree view of the world they soar above. Look to the left and pilots dont have a view of the cockpit, but of planes flying next them. Look down, and theres a view of the ground. The helmets provide pilots with a view of the world above, below, to the left and right, all within the scope of the visor.

No matter where pilots look, they have all the flight information right in front of their eyes, Dave Perkins, lead engineer of the HMDS integration, told CodeOne magazine. The helmet displays airspeed, altitude, rate of climb, and the aiming information for all the weapons. The helmet even displays all the information needed should something go wrong. For example, it provides an alert and directs the pilots attention if theres something nasty coming from the nose of the airplane while the pilot is looking somewhere else.

5. It smokes the competition

Its no surprise that the Joint Strike Fighter is the most technologically advanced plane available, but add that it performs a wide range of missions, and can be tricked out with weapons, and youre looking at the fiercest plane on the market.

I dont think either aircraft can really compete with the F-35, said Dr. Richard Bitzinger, defense specialist at Nanyang Technological University in Singapore in an interview with Sun News Network, of other fifth generation fighters.

The plane has the ability to perform electronic attack missions, command and control missions, and intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance, all while holding multiple weapons and missiles. The planes come standard with built in arms capabilities, but more than 13,000 pounds of weapons can be added. In addition, the planes sensors allow for pilots to collect data from satellites or allied planes, a capability that far exceeds that of China and Russias jets.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/12/top-five-reasons-the-f-35-will-rule-the-sky/

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July 14 2012, 1:04 AM 

That helmet sounds pretty fcuking cool..

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July 14 2012, 1:09 AM 

Very cool! And it looks like they worked out the problems it was having.

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July 14 2012, 1:18 AM 

Foreign Buyers Expect To Buy More F-35's Than Pentagon:

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As Lockheed Martin, the worlds largest manufacturer for the defense industry, edges closer to launching the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, experts are predicting international buyers will outpace the United States and Pentagon in sales as early as 2014.

The increasing demand from international buyers comes in the wake of growing concerns of defense cuts, as the Department of Defense prepares for a possible $1 trillion to be slashed from the budget in January.

The DOD, based on statistical environment issues, has not said theyre not buying as many as they had in the program of record a few years ago, said Robert Rubino, program director of the F-35 program in Lockheeds Washington, D.C., office.

Sales of the planes remained fairly steady between 2010 and 2012, but by late 2013, the number of planes purchased by international buyers takes over the number of planes purchased by the Pentagon.

As we maintain this partnership with our international partners, its important that we all work together to keep this profile, Rubino said.

The F-35 is not scheduled to be completed until 2016, but countries across the Middle East and Asia have already signed contracts with the company.

So far, ten countries have purchased the jets, including Great Britain, Italy, the Netherlands, Turkey, Canada, Australia, Denmark, Norway, Israel and Japan.

Japan and Israel are the two most recent consumers, purchasing 42 and 19 planes, respectively. According to Reuters, both South Korea and Singapore expressed interest in purchasing the planes, bringing the total number of countries with their eyes on the skies to 25.

The planes are expected to be delivered to the Royal Air Force as early as next week, and the Netherlands are projected to receive their planes as early as September, despite concerns surrounding contracts with Lockheed.

In the United States, the planes are expected to outfit the Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps. Chief of Naval Operations Jonathan Greenert announced Monday that the Navy is not fully committed to the F-35, however, adding speculation that the Pentagon may be backing further away from the purchasing the fighters.

Manufacturing on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter first began in 2010. Lockheed has performed hundreds of test flights since manufacturing began, and six planes were delivered to pilots for training at Eglin Air Force Base in Florida this morning.

The F-35 Lightning II joint strike force comprises the fifth generation of fighter jets and is expected to replace the F-16. With stealth capabilities, the plane has three variances and can perform ground attack, intelligence reconnaissance missions and air defense missions.
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July 14 2012, 9:37 AM 

``That helmet sounds pretty fcuking cool..``

looks cool too

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July 14 2012, 11:31 AM 

-Unit Cost is 160 million $$ and climbing (a silver bullet Air Force)
-Agility is worse than that of the F-16 (can't climb, can't turn, can't run)
-Low payload when it carries weapons internally. (otherwise bye bye stealth)
-Based entirely on stealth and BVR. However probability of kill in BVR is
Intensive Russian research in progress on anti-stealth. What will it do when an answer to stealth is found?

What I would do if I was the President:

1) Cancel the F-35
2) Increase the fleet of F-22 to 300 aircraft (now it is 180) just in case US has to fight Russia.
3) Buy more F-18 Super Hornets. Modernize the rest of the existing fleet, especially the proven A-10.
4) Befriend Russians, offering them control of Ukraine, Caucasus and Kazakhstan. In return they will not to sell modern military technology to China and to enemies of America.

In this way US rules the planet with little cost.


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July 14 2012, 11:45 AM 

1) Cancel the F-35

No way

2) Increase the fleet of F-22 to 300 aircraft (now it is 180) just in case US has to fight Russia.


Agreed, but at least 1000 F-35's should be acquired.


3) Buy more F-18 Super Hornets. Modernize the rest of the existing fleet, especially the proven A-10.

Can't buy enough Super Hornet, the more the better.


4) Befriend Russians, offering them control of Ukraine, Caucasus and Kazakhstan. In return they will not to sell modern military technology to China and to enemies of America.


Total BS..Russia will always be decades behind the US in every field of defence technology.
The US will soon introduce directed-energy laser weapons. Russia should sell its tecnhology to enemies of America, thats good.

 
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July 14 2012, 12:08 PM 

the helmet is like a Ferrari on your head lol


 
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July 14 2012, 2:02 PM 

// 1) Cancel the F-35

No way

2) Increase the fleet of F-22 to 300 aircraft (now it is 180) just in case US has to fight Russia.


Agreed, but at least 1000 F-35's should be acquired.


3) Buy more F-18 Super Hornets. Modernize the rest of the existing fleet, especially the proven A-10.

Can't buy enough Super Hornet, the more the better. //


How is the US going to pay for all this when they are running a budget deficit equal to 8.4% of their GDP? For comparison, the same number for bankrupt Greece stands at 9.1%.


 
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July 14 2012, 2:08 PM 

@jason: mate why dont you stick that helmet in your azz?


No matter the era, whichever the society, people always gaze at the stars when young. Then they stretch out their hands and try to catch them. And then one day, they realize their arms are not long enough to catch the stars, and thats when they grow up.


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July 14 2012, 2:35 PM 

How is the US going to pay for all this when they are running a budget deficit equal to 8.4% of their GDP? For comparison, the same number for bankrupt Greece stands at 9.1%.












Defence expenditures can be spread out over many years,sometimes decades.For example,Northrop Grumman will be producing super carriers (Gerald Ford Class)for the next 4 decades ,the Electric Boat will always produce nuclear subs. Budget deficits are temporary problems.
In times of national emergency, the US can print its own dollars, no other country can do that
this may sound a little weird but its not a fiction.

 
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July 14 2012, 3:03 PM 

// Defence expenditures can be spread out over many years,sometimes decades.For example,Northrop Grumman will be producing super carriers (Gerald Ford Class)for the next 4 decades ,the Electric Boat will always produce nuclear subs. Budget deficits are temporary problems.//

Spending a lot of money "long term" doesn't solve anything. In fact, it makes matters worse. If the US continues to run these massive deficits for much longer, it will be reduced to a nation of Detroits. It will of course also cease to be a super power.


// In times of national emergency, the US can print its own dollars, no other country can do that this may sound a little weird but its not a fiction. //

Does the "need" to buy military aircraft at ever greater cost constitute a national emergency? In any case, the money printing trick will work only as long as foreigners are willing to hold US dollars. If they see too much currency debasement, they will head for the exits. The US has won a temporary reprieve with the euro crisis. It should use this opportunity and set its house in order.

The US's military and security spending is mainly a wealth transfer mechanism, which enriches the military industrial complex at the expense of the general population. The health care industry is similar.

 
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July 14 2012, 6:03 PM 

//-Unit Cost is 160 million $$ and climbing (a silver bullet Air Force)
-Agility is worse than that of the F-16 (can't climb, can't turn, can't run)
-Low payload when it carries weapons internally. (otherwise bye bye stealth)
-Based entirely on stealth and BVR. However probability of kill in BVR is
Intensive Russian research in progress on anti-stealth. What will it do when an answer to stealth is found?//





Why am i not surprised.

Many many times it has been said by Lockheed that the F-35 will be as agile or better than the Vipers.
Why some people purposely seem to ignore this is beyond me... I guess some folks like
the feeling of having their head up their azz.

The F-35 doesn't have to get into a turning fight with its HMDS.



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July 14 2012, 6:10 PM 

"Despite concerns over the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program, the plane is proving to be the fastest, smartest and most advanced plane to ever fly through the sky."

Just that sentence closes the debate on that article for sheer stupidity.

Fastest? Try the SR-71 on for size, Lightning Poo, ROFLMAO [linked image]

And smartest and most advanced, mwell let's wait and see [linked image]

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July 14 2012, 8:07 PM 

``Cancel the F-35``

after so much money spent on F-35 you would have to be an idiot to cancel it

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AN UPDATE ON THE DISTRIBUTED APERTURE SYSTEM:

SLD talked with Northrop Grumman Electronic Systems Mark Rossi about the Distributed Aperture System (DAS) on the F-35, which together with the helmet provides 360-degree situational awareness for the F-35 pilot. Mark has served as the Director of the AN/AAQ-37 Electro-Optical Distributed Aperture System (EO DAS) for the F-35 platform, having management responsibility for the product development and production of the EO DAS hardware and software. He joined Northrop Grumman in 1984 and has held numerous positions of increasing responsibility in Technical Subcontract Management, Business Development and Program Management.

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SLD: The Distributed Aperture System (DAS) is one of the reasons why the development of the F-35 is about the next 30 years of military aviation, not the past 30 years. Yet folks have not really wrapped their heads around what DAS is or can and will do for the warfighter.

Mark Rossi: The biggest problem facing DAS is the fact that it is a complete unknown to most people, but as they become more familiar with its value, they begin to realize just how revolutionary this system will be for the warfighter. DAS changes the game. If you consider radars for instance, the utility radar brings to the fight has been fundamental to the mission of our armed forces for decades.

Practically everything since WWII has been equipped with radar; and our radars just keep getting better and more capable. The technology is evolving with the advances in electronics. We just keep building on prior capability. The capability DAS brings to the fight however is new and will change the way the game is played significantly.

The services have never experienced anything like the unprecedented capability provided by DAS. While pilots who have witnessed demonstrations of our capability are typically wowed by our imagery and performance metrics, few have any real idea of the magnitude of the capability they are actually receiving with the DAS system. The key discriminator that DAS brings to JSF is full, 360-degree spherical situational awareness. We create this bubble around the airplane where we see everything of interest, all the time, simultaneously. Spherical situational awareness will significantly change the game.

SLD: Is this a man-machine interface were talking about?

Mark Rossi: Yes, but we make it easy for him. From a situational awareness point of view, the pilot does absolutely nothing. We are monitoring the world around him all the time and then differentiating and reporting things that occur in that global scene that are important to the pilot. Its only when we determine that something important has occurred that hell even know anythings going on except, of course, for day/night imagery that is presented to him continually on his Helmet Mounted display and on his panoramic cockpit display.

SLD: DAS provides 360-degree spherical situational awareness for the individual pilot on the F-35, but is there any reason that we couldnt take that fused data and share it?

Mark Rossi: Theres no reason we couldnt share DAS data short of any limitations of the current data links in the aircraft.

SLD: But the point is that youre standing up a basic capability on the first production aircraft and theres the opportunity to take this capability, which is unprecedented, and figure out new ways to share data and new ways to battle manage. In other words, youre investing in the future by buying this capability.

Mark Rossi: Absolutely. There is no telling how the services will want to use or potentially enhance DAS functionality in the future on or off-board a single JSF as the users become more familiar with the capability DAS has to offer.

SLD: So the pointfocusing on the individual aircraft now and the pilot managing the aircraftthis allows him to have capabilities to see 360 degrees and understand the threat envelope around him so that the pilot can declutter the battlespace and focus on the most important priorities.

Mark Rossi: We declutter it for him automatically. We classify the world into things that the pilot would care about such as air-to-air and surface-to-air missiles as well as airborne objects like aircraft within range and only present to him only those things that he should focus on.


SLD: Why is the DAS so misunderstood or underestimated?

Mark Rossi: First of all, the users dont really understand what DAS is going to do for them. They have no real point of reference. Again this capability is revolutionary. But more importantly, many currently fielded missile warning systems are fraught with error producing high false alarm rates. The reliability and accuracy of the DAS ensures a whole new level of trust and confidence in the capability we provide to the warfighter.

The reliability and accuracy of the DAS ensures a whole new level of trust and confidence in the capability we provide to the warfighter.

SLD: How does the new helmet for the F-35 interact with the DAS?


Mark Rossi: The DAS provides 360-degree NavFLIR (Navigation Forward Looking Infrared) capability that is projected on the helmet display. FLIR is an archaic term because FLIR stands for forward looking infrared. Were not forward looking; were everywhere looking. But its a term that people are familiar with so we stick with it. So if you think about it, all the information is already being collected as part of the situational awareness and missile warning modes. We simply determine the line of sight of the pilot based on his head position and process the raw image data for enhanced display on the HMD.

He can basically see anywhere he turns his headeven if he is looking right through the floor of the plane because we see everything in 360-degree spherical space! We also provide a separate video feed to the Panoramic Cockpit Display that displays a pilot-selected line of sight, at his discretion. All of this functionality replaces bulky night vision goggles that are significantly challenged in urban lighting situations. When we have demonstrated our NavFLIR capability to Navy pilots, they tend to be awestruck at the possibility of even seeing the horizon clearly, let alone seeing the carrier and its wake. DAS is going to revolutionize night landings on aircraft carriers.

DAS is going to revolutionize night landings on aircraft carriers.

SLD: You mentioned fusion. The fact that this data is fused can you tell me a little bit about what advantage that brings?

Mark Rossi: The fusion that we do at our level is relative to the integration of the six sensors installed throughout the aircraft. Its fused into a singular unit that does not lose track of things across sector or camera boundaries, and provides seamless imagery between sensors regardless of line of sight.

Being able to stitch the seams to the point that we dont lose a track across a boundary in inertial space is critical to meeting our performance requirements.

SLD: Youre providing technologies, tools that really allow the pilot to act very differently, function very differently.


Mark Rossi: This kind of technology will not be foreign to the next generation of fighter pilots. They will expect it, because the young kids who are going to be flying these airplanes will have grown up playing virtual reality-based video games. DAS will fit very well with their expectations for 5th generation capability. DAS can also potentially expand the operational envelope of the JSF mission.

Since the numbers of aircraft are great, one can only begin to imagine the possibilities for non-traditional uses of the kind of data DAS provides. Ground activity for instance, which is currently suppressed because it is not of interest to our current mission, could be exploited with simple algorithm enhancements. The potential uses for DAS are only limited by our ability to imagine them!
http://www.sldinfo.com/an-update-on-the-distributed-aperture-system-das/

The French can brag about their cute jets "maneuverability" or their "Romulan cloaking device" but nothing will come close to the F-35's
ability and technology. The Rafael is behind in the times.

And don't get me started about the chinamen and russian "5th generation." They're very likely going to be all shell and no guts.





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July 14 2012, 10:58 PM 

i have read enough on other forums past year or two, of the test pilots who are flying the f35 saying it outclimbs,outturns,is alot more responsive then the f16"s they were flying.f16 was having trouble keeping up,their words,plus everyone who says it looks overweight,i have seen probably every video of it now,looks pretty sleek to me.

 
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July 14 2012, 11:27 PM 

^ ^ ^
Those are people that don't know what the hell they are talking about.

They are mostly F-22 fanatics and Eurocanard fighter lovers who think maneuverability trumps
high tech. They are mostly children.

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Gavur if you were the president ...You would Slow down American Aviation technology behind Chinese by simply investing on old tech ...

Tech advance by investments ...and if US does not invest in their aviation tech by thinking (WHY INVEST WHEN WE HAVE BETTER TECH ALL READY) This is a great way to fall behind Russia and China .

F-35 is a step up from F-22 Stealth wise however they are not targets for the same objectives ... F-35 is there to fill a different gap than F-22 ...it isnt to replace F-22....

Besides even F-22 caused alot of troubles including life support systems of the pilot . Due to a leakage in the Oxygen feed system pilots suffered Hypoxia ...and F-22's were grounded. Later US had to pay Millions if not Billions to fix the problem in the system ...

As you can see F-22 isnt perfect as well ...




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July 15 2012, 11:48 AM 

Where does the idea that Russian/Chinese tech will be a match for US/Western tech come from? I guess its possible but IMO very unlikely, you look at the Gulf war and virtually every recent conflict - they've demonstrated that its no match for US/Western military tech. I guess there are mitigating circumstances - even if they had inferior aircraft i'd have backed the USAF/allies against the Iraqis any day, the Russians are certainly better trained but could they really match NATO/US standards?

Unless they've made a quantum leap forward theres little to fear there i'm afraid. People said the same things about the Mig 29 vs F-15/16 before they were tested in combat. Yes the Russians can make some incredibly agile fighters but they lack the radar, electronics, technology and reliability of US/western models and have in recent times always come second, i don't see any evidence to suggest this is gonna change.

Hope to hell the UK govt comes to its senses and beefs our JSF order back up!

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Speaking of the Eurofighters close-in combat prowess, Major Marc Gr�ne, CO of 742 (Zapata), the second squadron of the wing, described to assembled aviation journalists how, on a recent visit to France to demo the aircraft, he had won two out of two battles against the Dassault Rafale in mock within visual range dogfights. Both fights were a standard set-up and merge at 21,000ft and 30,000ft he recounted, adding that the higher the fight the better the Eurofighter liked it. He singled out the Eurofighters excess power as its trump card over the Rafale

 
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July 15 2012, 3:15 PM 

Where does the idea that Russian/Chinese tech will be a match for US/Western tech come from?









From blithering idiots...Concorde versus TU-144, Rolls Royce versus Lada..That's the difference.
In terms of manufacturing quality and precision engineering,Russian jet engines are still two decades behind RR,GE,P&W and even SNECMA, I won't compare the avionics.

 
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July 15 2012, 9:20 PM 

"Befriend Russians, offering them control of Ukraine, Caucasus and Kazakhstan. In return they will not to sell modern military technology to China and to enemies of America."

Since Russia has a demonstrated history of breaking contracts, why would anyone trust them to keep their word?


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July 16 2012, 5:56 AM 

F35 will rule the fighter plane market that's for for sure. whether it will rule the sky as well .. sorry no chance there are many better contenders including big bro F22.

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July 16 2012, 3:44 PM 

All the 'Munnas' & 'Lallus' who are getting the f-35 were Actually (still are) whining for the raptor but The 'Unkill' said No can Do, F U only f-35 for You. :D

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July 16 2012, 9:10 PM 

//F35 will rule the fighter plane market that's for for sure. whether it will rule the sky as well .. sorry no chance there are many better contenders including big bro F22.//




This post clearly shows you are either a moron or just one of those haters that comes from
a country that isn't getting the F-35.

"Better contenders..?" This is the moron part.
You probably mean the great Rafael, right?


Anyone that has some knowledge of military aviation knows that the F-22 doesn't compare to
the F-35's technology.

The F-22 is only speed radar and stealth. While the F-35 has what the Raptor has, its technology puts it in a whole different league.
http://www.jsf.mil/f35/f35_technology.htm

Until The F-22 gets a HMDS, EOTS, and DAS, the F-22 will be second to the F-35.

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Re: Top Five Reasons The F-35 Will Rule The Sky

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Re: Top Five Reasons The F-35 Will Rule The Sky

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July 16 2012, 11:04 PM 

why you is bein dumby
link is bein not working

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Re: Top Five Reasons The F-35 Will Rule The Sky

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July 16 2012, 11:17 PM 

Are you baked or somefin? Linky worky for me. :P

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Re: Top Five Reasons The F-35 Will Rule The Sky

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July 16 2012, 11:20 PM 

Not yet.

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The requested URL /reports/Lockheed_Martin_F_35_Flight_Test_Progress_Report_999.html was not found on this server.

Apache/2.2.15 (CentOS) Server at www.spacedaily.com Port 80

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Re: Top Five Reasons The F-35 Will Rule The Sky

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July 16 2012, 11:26 PM 

After all these years I'm still amazed there are so many people in WAFF like this:
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Re: Top Five Reasons The F-35 Will Rule The Sky

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July 16 2012, 11:42 PM 

They've become such a cliche.

At this point it's all about hating what they don't understand. They still live in the, maneuverability is
better than stealth and hightech, world.

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Re: Top Five Reasons The F-35 Will Rule The Sky

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July 17 2012, 1:47 AM 

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Lockheed_Martin_F_35_Flight_Test_Progress_Report_999.html

As of June 30, the F-35 Lightning II 5th Generation multirole fighter had conducted 595 test flights in 2012 versus a plan of 445 and accrued 4,830 test points against a plan of 3,901.

In June, the F-35 program accomplished several flight test and production milestones:

During June, the F-35 test program accrued the most test points in a single month, 1,118, in program history.

On June 5, BF-5 became the first F-35B short takeoff and vertical landing (STOVL) jet to fly with Block 2A software.

On June 13, the first F-35C carrier variant (CV) night flight was completed at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Md.

On June 13, F-35A conventional takeoff and landing (CTOL) weapons pit drop testing was conducted for the first time at Edwards Air Force Base, Calif.

On June 14 at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Md., BF-2 completed the first test flight for the F-35B STOVL variant with an asymmetric weapons load.

On June 25, AF-1, an F-35A CTOL test jet, accomplished the first F-35 weapon pit drop from an external station, a GBU-12 from station 2.

On June 27, the program achieved the highest number of F-35 flights in a single day, 12.

Cumulative flight test activity totals for 2012 through June 30 are provided below:
+ F-35A CTOL jets have flown 260 times.

+ F-35B STOVL jets have completed 202 flights, 134 of which began with a short takeoff. Additionally, F-35B STOVL aircraft have conducted 55 vertical landings.

+ F-35C CV jets have flown 133 times.

Cumulative flight test activity totals for the duration of the program through May 31 are provided below:
+ F-35A CTOL jets have flown 907 times.

+ F-35B STOVL jets have completed 791 flights, 553 of which began with a short takeoff. Additionally, F-35B STOVL aircraft have conducted 334 vertical landings.

+ F-35C CV jets have flown 325 times.

+ Since December 2006, F-35s have flown 2,355 times and accrued more than 3,700 cumulative flight hours. This total includes 91 flights from the original test aircraft, AA-1; 2,023 SDD test flights; and 241 production-model flights. For video highlights of the F-35 program, click here.



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Re: Top Five Reasons The F-35 Will Rule The Sky

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July 17 2012, 2:13 AM 

^ ^ ^
Much better.

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Re: Top Five Reasons The F-35 Will Rule The Sky

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July 17 2012, 12:01 PM 

F35 will rule the fighter plane market that's for for sure. whether it will rule the sky as well .. sorry no chance there are many better contenders including big bro F22.







I don't think so pal.. Avionics beats Aerodynamics.. F-35 will have by far the worlds most advanced and sophisticated avionics and EW package ..It is the future.

 
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July 17 2012, 2:03 PM 

"F-35 will have by far the worlds most advanced and sophisticated avionics and EW package ..It is the future."
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And the fact that USAF with more money to spend than virtually everyone else compared thinks so should really close the debate. Betting against US aircraft has been a losing proposition since... well forever! Even aircraft that the haters deem as 'failures' such as the Phantom still enjoyed a very favourable kill ratio and became one of the most successful aircraft of all time! Why would the US suddenly about course and produce a dud now?! F-35 will go down as another all time great.

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Re: Top Five Reasons The F-35 Will Rule The Sky

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July 17 2012, 2:42 PM 

F-35s thrive as part of a system of systems, which is how modern air-forces will be like. The countries which are buying or will buy the F-35 are top tier air forces with modern sensors and shooters and networked systems. The F35 will be integrated with these systems. Countries which do not have such modern systems are better off with alternatives as they will not be able to leverage fully on the F35's abilities.

 
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Re: Top Five Reasons The F-35 Will Rule The Sky

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July 17 2012, 4:03 PM 

so which is better plane??????

f-35 or f-22 ?
i was always led to belive f-22s are way better then f-35s.

so who will win in a dog fight?
i still believe f-22 will win in a dog fight.

 
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Re: Top Five Reasons The F-35 Will Rule The Sky

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July 17 2012, 5:56 PM 



>> so which is better plane??????

f-35 or f-22 ? >>



Better in terms of what ?? Both fighters will go to war together, the F-35 will attack radar stations ,destroy ground targets and F-22 will take care of enemy interceptors.



>> i was always led to belive f-22s are way better then f-35s >>




Don't believe everything what Air Power Australia Group and this Carlo Kopp idiot says.




>>so who will win in a dog fight? >>



There won't be a dog fight between them unless of course the US declares war on Britain in 2017 !!!! ( The probability of a global nuclear war is ten times higher than this )



>> i still believe f-22 will win in a dog fight >>


I am not so sure.. The future F-35 will be very difficult to handle even for a Raptor.



http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/136355/f_35-das%2C-radar-can-detect%2C-track-ballistic-missiles.html



 
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