"By accepting US missle shield proposal we didn't take into accout the change of US leadership and its policy shift. We have paid too heavy political price for it. This mistake shouldnt be repeated again." - Newspaper "Wprost" quotes the Polish President on its website.

"I have proposed the government to create Polish-owned anti-air and anti-missile infrastructure. Because spending money on military technology is a waste, if it doesn't protect against most common threats, that is air and missile attacks. Today we have aging systems that are insufficient as far as national defense is concerned" - Follows Polish President.

Source: Interia.pl news - in Polish
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"Peace is a precious and a desirable thing. Our generation, bloodied in wars, certainly deserves peace. But peace, like almost all things of this world, has its price, a high but a measurable one. We in Poland do not know the concept of peace at any price. There is only one thing in the lives of men, nations and countries that is without price. That thing is honor." - Józef Beck on the outbreak of WW2

Who gives a sh1t about what the Polish leadership thinks. The Polish should be more worried about getting their next welfare cheque from the EU.

Shut up your dirty mouth you *******.

De facto, Poland pay more to EU in various forms, than EU pay to Poland. Poland should be out of this shithole EU.

I sense some kind of inferiority complex inside Theodoric so I wont get lured like Wosiu.

But I wouldnt be too suprised if hes from some debt ridden hole himself, looking for somebody to blame. Oh, well. I wanted something that makes sense out of it, or some logical and coherent trolling but Theodoric is incapable of it. Quite sad...

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"Peace is a precious and a desirable thing. Our generation, bloodied in wars, certainly deserves peace. But peace, like almost all things of this world, has its price, a high but a measurable one. We in Poland do not know the concept of peace at any price. There is only one thing in the lives of men, nations and countries that is without price. That thing is honor." - Józef Beck on the outbreak of WW2

Poles are pissed the US is putting the bulk of its missiles defense spending plans on Romania, a much poorer country the US deems easier to control. The Romanians will never be in a position where they can leverage the missile shield assets on their territory to extract economic concessions (aid) out of the US the way the much wealthier Poles are. It was strategically wiser of Obama to base the bulk of his missile defense plans on Romania. The Poles are now butt hurt that they have to play second fiddle to some Romanian Gypsies hence all the talk of sticking it to the US.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2012/07/30/attention-marc-thiessen-and-the-washington-post-obama-has-agreed-to-build-missile-defense-in-romania/

Good article that summarizes the Obama plans for missile defense in Europe. The Polish-American honeymoon is ending. Poland is richer and stronger, and less reliant on the US and conversely the Americans are now worried about Poland being strong enough to push them around a bit too forcefully hence less US attention being devoted to further propping up Poland and more attention going to poorer countries like Bulgaria and Romania.

"The Polish should be more worried about getting their next welfare cheque from the EU."

This comment shows a great deal of ignorance about the Polish economy. Russia and Poland are pretty much the only 2 non-dysfunctional economies in all of Europe right now.

@Irkut

It might not be enough to just be dissatisfied. But Pol govt is still dumb.

I always wonder... why don't they just play on 2 sides.
If it was me I'd lure in Vlad with some carrot for Kaliningrad, or military cooperation (theres Pol-Ukraine battalion for peacekeeping... would be very easy to extend that if there was a will) and be more vocal about how US doesn't give a ****.

Not being delusional about Vlad's strategy, and not seeing Poland as part of Russian bloc - but just to scare NATO and US that if they won't care - we could switch sides some day. You bet they would panic and see the Iron Curtain ver.2 in thier minds.

And not to troll : theres literally nothing between Germany and Russia except Poland.
But atm our Sugar daddy lost any interest. So it would be better to be a nation of political terrorists than not being a nation at all... just a transit state for Russian gas and German cars.



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"Peace is a precious and a desirable thing. Our generation, bloodied in wars, certainly deserves peace. But peace, like almost all things of this world, has its price, a high but a measurable one. We in Poland do not know the concept of peace at any price. There is only one thing in the lives of men, nations and countries that is without price. That thing is honor." - Józef Beck on the outbreak of WW2

NATO Shield was agreed to be placed in Turkey and works are currently place in Turkey as we speak.

Opposition protests against radar base

















Malatyas NATO radar site formally declared operational
1 March 2012 / TODAYS ZAMAN, ANKARA
http://www.todayszaman.com/newsDetail_getNewsById.action?newsId=273016

Turkey is a good spot for that system as far as Iran is concerned.
But being real, Turkey is not likely to be attacked by anyone any time soon. Other than Kurdish partisants and a regional rival who needs life support so he wont die on his own (Greece) - it's calm (and let's be srs about Syria - they can't and won't do ****), and close to Iran. And also... to Israel so US can both cover thier "masters" and cover thier sphere of influence.

Poland was just to poke Non-NATO states in the face.

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"Peace is a precious and a desirable thing. Our generation, bloodied in wars, certainly deserves peace. But peace, like almost all things of this world, has its price, a high but a measurable one. We in Poland do not know the concept of peace at any price. There is only one thing in the lives of men, nations and countries that is without price. That thing is honor." - Józef Beck on the outbreak of WW2

Can we please not ruin a Poland thread with BS about Turkey. The current missile defense plans as they are actually about neutralizing the Russian second strike and not about Iran and its non-existent missiles means the major component of missile defense are still going in Eastern Europe. All that's changed is Obama changed the plans from Poland to Romania.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/313333/abandoned-alliance-michal-kuz?pg=2

Here is a absolutely FANTASTIC article on the US-Polish relationship and the whole strategic picture in Central and Eastern Europe. In short, it is a story of US decline, and both German and Russian ascendancy. The author's principal argument is by focusing on non-sense like missile defense when there is no real military threat to Europe while ignoring economics and trade the US has ceded these countries to both Germany and Russia and made itself irrelevant in the region. The decision for CEE leaders is how best to play Russia off against Germany and vice versa and the US almost doesn't enter into it. The US risks losing every major European ally save the UK because these countries increasingly trade less and less with the US.

I smell an anti-American(but pretend American stauch ally) Germany's hand in this. Germany has enough infiltrators and traitors in pocket in Poland to force them to take up official obligations to recognize the minority rights of a paltry 35,000 Nazi remnants speaking German in Poland, but won't recognize any rights of the over 1 million Poles and their descendants in the never de-nazified Germany! :
http://www.dw.de/dw/article/0,,15066030,00.html

If the Fourth Reich, or current fake democratic Germany can make Poland swallow that national humiliation, it is too easy then for them to get Warsaw to snub American tutelage.

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@Nik
Though I myself live in part of Silesia that was part of Germany before WW2, and I do have some family and friends in ze Reich - I do not consider such conspiracy theories valid.

Germans are more busy with grabbing all the trade deals they can - rather than political ambitions, thier only ambition is to beat the Chinese in export race.

As I say time and time again... US is a troublesome ally. In case of war, either thier help won't be needed (If Luka had a grand idea to Invade Poland without Russia's support) or they wont send it at all (If Vlad decided to help Luka with Big Toys, US would leave Poles to fare for themselfs - due to fear of nuclear holocaust or simply they would follow standard NATO procedure, and by that time Warsaw would be a pile of bomb ridden goo). Germany won't attack no matter what - who the **** would bomb his own factories... and smaller states simply won't have enough bang to do any real harm.

Theres no logical reason why Poland should be an ally of the US...


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"Peace is a precious and a desirable thing. Our generation, bloodied in wars, certainly deserves peace. But peace, like almost all things of this world, has its price, a high but a measurable one. We in Poland do not know the concept of peace at any price. There is only one thing in the lives of men, nations and countries that is without price. That thing is honor." - Józef Beck on the outbreak of WW2

That is not conspiracy theory, you just have your head up your as3.

Millions of German citizens are Poles or of Polish descent. But the current German government continues the Nazi policy of abrogating any minority rights to these Polish citizens, because today's Germany never de-nazified or abandoned imperialism. However Germany made the Polish leadership after the fall of the Iron Curtain sign a humiliating treaty to recognize the rights of a puny 35,000 traitor German minority, whom they should be merely thankful that they were not deported all those years for the treasons and war crimes of their ancestors.

Germany is actually one of the biggest imperial powers in the world today especially via the use of non-military means, it is just they have been successful in their propaganda abroad. Theo-dork-ic is very typical of the German mindset, he acts like countries the unreformed Fourth Reich seeks to colonize like Poland are "leeches" and the imperial dominion, is the benefactor! If you compare how America has treated its allies like Poland to Germany and consider Germany more sufficient, I think this says enough of the propaganda success of the German side in Poland.

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You should all just bend the knee to Vlad and never have to ponder such questions again

@Irkut

KGB strong?! My hope is that Russians suddenly decide to march on Kremlin and fight ze Evul Tzar.
Just be like Ukraine, power up your oligarchs even more and let them rule. Then all shall be perfect :D

@Nik
Srsly bro? You live in PL or Germany? You asked people how they feel about stuff?
Or do you know how Polish Law works? Really? Theres no word about German minority in Polish Law - any minority gets same benefits if they constitiute a certain percent of population in given gmina (smallest territorial unit in Poland). So if Greeks decided to suddenly settle with 2000 ppl in small village in Poland - they would get the same **** Germans do at the moment.

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"Peace is a precious and a desirable thing. Our generation, bloodied in wars, certainly deserves peace. But peace, like almost all things of this world, has its price, a high but a measurable one. We in Poland do not know the concept of peace at any price. There is only one thing in the lives of men, nations and countries that is without price. That thing is honor." - Józef Beck on the outbreak of WW2

Why would I need to live in Poland or know Polish law when I am conversing with a Pole now and he is writing bs like Germany is a better Polish ally than the USA, because if Russia tries to invade Poland again, maybe USA won't fight for Poland! And that Germany, with its imperialist attitude would never consider invasion! That says enough. The same situation exits in Greece. Germany which has a history of occupying and attempting to occupy Greece and which took over financial sovereignty over fiscal policy thanks to the institutionalization of German imperialism known as the EU is considered a better ally even today than the USA in most public, private and state circles! That is exactly what happens when quisling elites are bought, when the media is oriented by external influences. Yet if we compare when the unreformed Nazi Germans were still nursing their wounds immediately after WWII, during the height of the Pax-Americana, the USA was so liberal to its European allies in comparison to the schnitzel eaters. But that is forgotten due to the power of propaganda to distort facts and shape minds.

Back to the minority imperialism of the Fourth Reich:

http://www.dw.de/dw/article/0,,15066030,00.html

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"The treaty on good neighborly relations and friendly cooperation" from June 17, 1991, guarantees equal rights to Germans and Poles living in Poland and Germany, including the right to learn their mother tongue and cultivate their respective traditions. Both countries agreed to provide financing for those efforts.

Lewicki says Germany needs to honor the friendship treaty

"But while the Polish government honors its duties and does exceptionally well in providing those services, in Germany, efforts to accommodate citizens of Polish descent remain inadequate," said the head of the German Polonia Congress, Wieslaw Lewicki. The word 'Polonia' is used to describe Poles living abroad.

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God forbid we follow the Ukrainian model. The Ukrainians have destroyed their country. If you travel from Kiev to Minsk its night & day. Ukraine if filthy, crime ridden, stunning numbers of homeless and just generally depressing as f*ck. Minsk is Geneva or Singapore level clean, no violent crime, no homeless, and just generally a much more vibrant city. Luka may be corrupt to the rafters, but he knows how to run a country. The GDP per capita is also 2x higher in Belarus than in Ukraine. Ukrainians can stick their dysfunctional democracy where the sun dont ever shine. The country is a joke. They'd be better off just breaking it up into 2 parts and letting Germany or Poland get the West and Russia the east and ending this BS failed state they have going on right now. The average Khohol would be better off financially for it. The way things stand they aren't in the EU or in Russia's new customs union so their products don't sell West or East and they are pretty much the most screwed country in Europe as a result. Democracy is a very nice thing to have when you have a developed civil society in place and a functional economy. When you are a Ukraine its pretty much the worst thing that can happen to you.

@Irkut
As you might have guessed it was trolling :D
And Belarus kinda lives off Russian support - still one should agree, that Both Belarus and Russia governments work much better than Ukraine.

@Nik
Your just being paranoid... quoting Lewicki is worthless, that guy never said anything smart.
Treaty of 1991 is a thing before EU... it holds no practical meaning nowadays.
I know it's sad how Germany robs Greece of anything that has any value - but that's Greek problem, not mine.

My problem is that 25% of Polish export goes to Germany, and German direct investment (brown field investment mostly) increases year after year. But you'd like me to show them my middle finger and be poor and jobless, but proud ally of US - when only great investment American companies do is in banking sector, or buying up Polish assets. When military assistance from Germany is actually more tangible than assistance from US. And they don't ask to send troop to die in some shithole...



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"Peace is a precious and a desirable thing. Our generation, bloodied in wars, certainly deserves peace. But peace, like almost all things of this world, has its price, a high but a measurable one. We in Poland do not know the concept of peace at any price. There is only one thing in the lives of men, nations and countries that is without price. That thing is honor." - Józef Beck on the outbreak of WW2

What I write is not paranoia. And it is your problem you are just too stupid to know it. I found this discussion thread where never denazified Germans lecture Poles on a Polish forum no less, how they have to respect the rights of the traitor nazi minority in Poland, but they don't have to do the same:
http://www.polishforums.com/news-politics-4/row-over-status-poles-germany-sours-relations-51425/

Germany tried to buy the New York Stock Exchange but was thankfully shot down by EU regulators(probably from rallying by France and UK in concert with other non-Germanic nations):
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/01/nyse-deutsche-boerse-merger_n_1246451.html
They also made a move to tax financial transactions the Tobin Tax, which would have decimated the other Anglo-Saxon preeminent financial capital, London:
http://howhitlercametopower.com/articles/is-germany-trying-to-grab-the-city/
http://atkinsonsmallblog.dailymail.co.uk/2011/10/why-we-need-to-defend-the-city-against-the-financial-transaction-tax.html

Germany is really the biggest imperialist power in Europe by far and one of the biggest in the world. IF those two moves passed almost nothing could have stopped them in 10 years time. They already after-all have the number one position in world exports, with that they would have on the cheap, taken over the financial and banking markets from London and New York!

That is their power over the great imperial Anglo-Saxon powers, the USA and UK. But you as a Pole want to bs that saying international colony Poland is not German dominated and bought, is a "conspiracy", paranoia. "a Greek problem"? Lol! You are so funny and ignorant, I cannot imagine where you were born, probably a donkey stable.

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Seasparrow,

it is sade that you are so dumb, that you know less about Poland (not to mention about Belarus) than Nikephoros and Irkut. You even dont know nothing about privileges of so-called German Minority in Poland in Parliament elections. You have only poor knowledge from propagandist official media.


Yes, Irkut and Nikephoros, you are right.


Irkut - yes, Ukraine is shithole, such country and nation never existed, Ukraine should be partitioned by Russia and Poland, but Poland still isnt independent from 1939 till now.
Yes - Belarus is in reality excellent country, in contrary to western (also Polish) propaganda.


Nikephoros - yes, Poland is colony. But not international colony. It is Jewish colony. Allmost all media are Jewish, all key points in state structures belong to Jews, all economy is stolen by Jews, etc. In Poland, even if real secret Jewish-masonic rulers of Poland are unknown, official puppets like president, prime minister etc. must be Jew or at least must have Jewish wife. Present president is Pole but have Jewish wife and 5 jewish children, present prime minister is not Kashubian as propaganda says, but true Jew after his mother Dawidowska.
There were no start of indenpendence in Poland in 1989, what happend was only change of clothes when jewish-communists start to be jewish-capitalists.

@Wosiu
Your the one to talk...
Go look for some jewish conspiracy, leave good people alone.

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"Peace is a precious and a desirable thing. Our generation, bloodied in wars, certainly deserves peace. But peace, like almost all things of this world, has its price, a high but a measurable one. We in Poland do not know the concept of peace at any price. There is only one thing in the lives of men, nations and countries that is without price. That thing is honor." - Józef Beck on the outbreak of WW2

Wosiu has a theory that everything is run by Jews (who are masonic).

Why doesn't Poland just start a pogrom and be done with it?

If you compare how America has treated its allies like Poland to Germany and consider Germany more sufficient, I think this says enough of the propaganda success of the German side in Poland.

Both have been exploitative. The difference is, Poland is across the boarder for Germany while across the ocean for America. Of course Germany would have far more influence, especially since the majority of all trade is with Germany.

@ Irkut

Go outside of Minsk, and the country is a even bigger **** hole. Just because you have a Singapore like capital, doesn't mean the country is worth dirt. From the news I got from friends who travelled around western Ukraine (not Russian), they said it wasn't bad at all.

Germany is not against the missile shield, and has not even a reason to interfere with Polish politics which have become far better since the Tusk-government.

Butthurt Nikewhore you are a scared, butthurt leech