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Spain just spent $680 million on a submarine that canít swim

May 23 2013 at 9:50 PM
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Eric  (Login Nighthawk00)
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Spain just spent $680 million on a submarine that cant swim





One of Spains largest defense splurges may also be one of its most embarrassing. After spending nearly one-third of a $3 billion budget to build four of the worlds most advanced submarines, the projects engineers have run into a problem: the submarines are so heavy that they would sink to the bottom of the ocean.

Miscalculations by engineers at Navantia, the construction company contracted to build the S-80 submarine fleet, have produced submarines that are each as much as 100 tonnes (110 US tonnes) too heavy. The excess weight sounds paltry compared to the 2,000-plus tonnes (2,205 US tonnes) that each submarine weighs, but its more than enough to send the submarines straight to the oceans floor.

Given the mistake, Spain is going to have to choose between two costly fixes: slimming the submarines down, or elongating them to compensate for the extra fat. All signs point to the latter, which will be anything but a breezeadding length will still require redesigning the entire vessel. And more money on top of the $680 million already spent.

Spains defense ministry, the government arm responsible for overseeing the project, has yet to say how much the setback will cost in both time and money. But Navantia has already estimated that its mistake will set the project back at least one or, more likely, two years. And the Spanish edition of European news site The Local reported that each additional meter added to the S-80s, already 71 meters in length, will cost over $9 million.

Its a costly mistake on many fronts. The state-of-the-art submarines were meant to be the first entirely Spanish-designed and built. Incompetence is likely going to cost the country at least some of the glory. Electric Boat, a subsidiary of US-based technology firm General Dynamics, has already evaluated the project and could be hired as a consultant to save the job.

Another bailout for Spain. This is getting all too familiar.


http://qz.com/86988/spain-just-spent-680-million-on-a-submarine-that-cant-swim/



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Re: Spain just spent $680 million on a submarine that canít swim

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May 23 2013, 10:28 PM 

Canada got similar results by buying British.
I wonder if they didn't get less ToT on being crummy at subs than Spain though ...

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May 23 2013, 11:04 PM 

I posted this G&T but thought i'd mention it in here cos i thought it was funny.

I got one of those joke emails a few months ago about different countries preparations due to N.Korean crisis. Was mostly full of the usual cliches but had one bit i liked - "Spain has despite its recent financial problems sent 2 of it's brand new S-80 subs to the region. These beautiful subs are some of the most advanced in the world and feature new glass bottoms - so the new Spanish navy can see the old one!!!"

I liked it!

 
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May 23 2013, 11:08 PM 

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May 23 2013, 11:31 PM 

^^ I thought you might like it to!

On a serious note though i seem to be saying this in many threads recently but has the west as a whole forgotten how to do procurement right? How many big ticket programs haven't seen these type of problems in recent years. If it isn't technical problems, its program mismanagement. I wonder has it always been this way or do we just hear about it more nowadays cos improved communications and the freer post cold war atmosphere?

 
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May 24 2013, 12:58 AM 

It is interesting to look Australian (Collins I think) subs in this context. :)

 
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May 24 2013, 3:02 AM 

I got one of those joke emails a few months ago about different countries preparations due to N.Korean crisis. Was mostly full of the usual cliches but had one bit i liked - "Spain has despite its recent financial problems sent 2 of it's brand new S-80 subs to the region. These beautiful subs are some of the most advanced in the world and feature new glass bottoms - so the new Spanish navy can see the old one!!!"

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May 24 2013, 3:20 PM 

Colky !

can you share whit me the link of that Jokes !

thanks !









 
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May 24 2013, 8:57 PM 

130,

It was an email, but i'll have a look and see if i can find it over the weekend and post it here for you mate.

 
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May 24 2013, 11:23 PM 

Don't worry, the Canadian Navy will be willing to take those off your hands.

 
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May 25 2013, 12:21 AM 

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May 25 2013, 12:56 AM 

How many western submarine projects is Electric Boat not a consultant on these days?

Seems like allot of problems for these projects would have been avoided if Electric Boat had validated the project from start and not been hired only after problems arose.


    
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