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RT : Why US failed in Afghanistan

July 17 2017 at 1:52 AM
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Re: RT : Why US failed in Afghanistan

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July 17 2017, 1:57 AM 

great insight for americans who seem to live in another planet...

some insights

> US never wanted or negogiated with the Afgan Taliban in any capacity

> US spends USD 4B a year on Afgan army and police which is completely ineffective

> US back terrible partners in the Kabul government who nothing more than mayor of kabul

> prior to US invasion afgan taliban ended drug production... now it is a all time high ( EYE ranis pay attention here and think )

> US involvement is driven by defense contracts rather than any desire to achieve success in A-stan

> US really never cared about developing A-stan

> prior to the US invasion there was one terrorist group in A-stan now there are over 20 including ISIS



but of course the brain dead US and western public think it is all Pakistan fault.... oh dear what a bunch of liars


    
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July 17 2017, 2:53 AM 

Should have pull out when Bin laden died but Afghanistan is a strategic location, I expect another Vietnam.

 
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July 17 2017, 3:41 AM 

The Americans should have consulted the Pakistanis first on how to conduct their political business

 
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July 17 2017, 6:44 AM 


***********8Should have pull out when Bin laden died but Afghanistan is a strategic location, I expect another Vietnam.*****


RE: we assuming we believe in their version of the OBL raid...

however the battle for Afghanistan is about mineral resources.. i.e. Lithium. The US waged countless wars for oil in the Middle east how much do you think they will do for the next black gold?. Thus US will never allow stability to return.

Also China is aggressively perusing mining rights from Afghanistan and hence CPEC... you need road,rail and ports to transport the lithium from Afghanistan to China to power it's energy needs.






@ J-***

Yes they should have consulted Pakistan for this and perhaps they wouldnt be in this mess... but then again their intentions were always sinister .. they know better to control the situation.

 
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July 17 2017, 9:59 AM 

The West didn't achieve their objectives, but the Taliban took a huge beating. Unfortunately, killing off the Taliban is like killing off rats, they never truly disappear, especially when you're as good at fleeing and hiding under rocks as they are.

 
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July 17 2017, 12:15 PM 

*********The West didn't achieve their objectives,****************

RE: You reconcile the obvious... congrats!


************ but the Taliban took a huge beating. *************

RE: so did you... 2000+ US soldiers dead, thousands injured, and contractors?.. no body even counts them.. plus USD 400B+ on this war and nothing to show for...



***Unfortunately, killing off the Taliban is like killing off rats, they never truly disappear,*****

RE: makes it worse when you keep killing their women and children... more join their ranks





**********especially when you're as good at fleeing and hiding under rocks as they are.*****

RE: it is called tactical withdrawal.. you didnt expect them just to stand and get shot at.. it must be a white thing to do... no wonder you have so many dead on mass shooting.. you must all stand still like dodo birds..



    
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July 17 2017, 4:14 PM 

another internet story bullshiiet. Americans+goverment forces hold 3/4 afghan territory. and millions islamist Americans sent to hell. great success in killing islamist bastards. good islamist=dead islamist.


    
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July 17 2017, 7:00 PM 

@ harvov

RE: the guy is a former marine... who served there... i bet you never even been there...

in any case the % the taliban controls seems in line with what Pakistan Army thinks taliban controls of A-stan

 
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July 18 2017, 9:33 PM 

The same reason why the Soviet Union failed so miserably.
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July 19 2017, 3:48 AM 

correct.. nethier side ever had any good intention

 
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July 19 2017, 4:51 AM 

US had no clear plan, other than bombing rag heads in mountains.

US committed way too few forces.

Afghanistan is a sh_ thole that can NEVER be "fixed". (Unless you commit 1 million troops, 10 trillion dollars, and 50 years).

 
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July 19 2017, 10:06 AM 

************************US had no clear plan, other than bombing rag heads in mountains***

RE: there is more to that it is about control of resources (Lithium) and strategic dominance.. as much we love to think how stupid americans they dont do things with out a reason...

 
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July 19 2017, 10:36 AM 

The same reason why the Soviet Union failed so miserably.

and the British Empire before that

in regards to the soviet Union the Mujaheddin received large amount of support from the west ... at the end of the day ASfghans are no normal muslims they have a iron will to fight all those that want to conquer them they have the spirit of Saladin

 
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July 20 2017, 4:28 AM 


To Win Afghanistan, Get Tough on Pakistan


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/06/opinion/to-win-afghanistan-get-tough-on-pakistan.html


'Although the Taliban are said to control or contest 40 percent of Afghanistan’s territory, Taliban leaders operate from the safety of Pakistan. United States incentives since the Sept. 11 attacks have failed to dissuade Pakistan from supporting the Taliban, and Mr. Trump must now consider alternatives'.

'The George W. Bush administration erred in ignoring the regrouping of the Taliban in Pakistan after their defeat in Afghanistan in the aftermath of Sept. 11, considering Pakistan’s cooperation in capturing some Qaeda figures as sufficient evidence of its alliance with the United States. President Barack Obama’s administration tried to deal with a resurgent Taliban with a surge in troop numbers for a specific period. Mr. Obama deployed armed drones to strike at Taliban targets inside Pakistan, but that proved insufficient in dealing with the leadership living in the Pakistani cities of Quetta and Peshawar'.

'But the United States presented evidence of Pakistan’s links to Afghan militants just as Pakistan transitioned from military to civilian rule in 2008. As Pakistan’s ambassador to the United States for the new civilian government, I urged Pakistan’s civil and military leaders to engage with Americans honestly instead of sticking to blanket denials.

Islamabad’s response was to argue that Pakistan does, indeed, support insurgents in Afghanistan, but it does so because of security concerns about India, which is seen by generals and many civilian leaders as an existential threat to Pakistan.

But that excuse is based on exaggerations and falsehoods. India has no offensive military presence in Afghanistan and there has never been any evidence that the Afghans are willing to be part of India’s alleged plan for a two-front war with Pakistan.

Afghanistan’s president, Ashraf Ghani, recently asked India to train Afghan military officers and repair military aircraft after frustration with Pakistan, which failed to fulfill promises of restraining the Taliban and forcing them to the negotiating table.

Pakistan’s leaders question Afghanistan’s acceptance of economic assistance from India even though Pakistan does not have the capacity to provide such aid itself.

It seems that Pakistan wants to keep alive imaginary fears, possibly to maintain military ascendancy in a country that has been ruled by generals for almost half of its existence. For years Pakistani officials falsely asserted that India had set up 24 consulates in Afghanistan, some close to the Pakistani border. In fact, India has only four consulates, the same number Pakistan has, in Afghanistan.

Lying about easily verifiable facts is usually the tactic of governments fabricating a threat rather than ones genuinely facing one. As ambassador, I attended trilateral meetings where my colleagues rejected serious suggestions from Afghans and Americans to mitigate apprehensions about Indian influence in Afghanistan.

While evidence of an Indian threat to Pakistan through Afghanistan remains scant, proof of the presence of Afghan Taliban leaders in Pakistan continues to mount. Mullah Omar, the Taliban’s leader, reportedly died in a Pakistani hospital in 2013 and his successor, Mullah Akhtar Mansour, was killed in an American drone strike in Baluchistan Province in Pakistan last year.

The United States should not let Pakistan link its longstanding support for hard-line Pashtun Islamists in Afghanistan to its disputes with India'.

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Aryavarta is the land where Aryas rise up again and again—and even if Mlecchas overrun it, they would not be able to abide and subjugate the Aryas for long. – Medhātithi

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July 20 2017, 6:58 AM 

and the British Empire before that ************

RE: ok you want to that far.... add alexander the great too....




**** ... at the end of the day ASfghans are no normal muslims they have a iron will to fight all those that want to conquer them they have the spirit of Saladin***

RE: Nope...afgans are lame muslims..


Saladin followed the principals of Islam, treated POW well; , did not pillage or rape (what was usual for Crusaders armies) as specified by Islam , fought like demon when it was time and made peace like a dove when the situation arrived. He was logical and well educated in Islamic values.

Afgans have a inherently defiant culture.. to every thing to invaders also to logical reason. We know them well we have over 3 million of these clowns in our country.

When the Soviets left Pakistan tried in vain with then North alliance to compromise and let the Pashtons also have power sharing.... but in a true afgan spirit they defied and Pakistan was forced to "found" the taliban to over throw the North Alliance backed by Indian and Iran.. and guess what happened when the Taliban came to power they too refused power sharing.. Their defiance for the sake of defiance is legendary. The taliban wanted to blow up some buddist idols which were dear to the Sri Lankans. The Sri Lankan government approached Pakistan for help and despite every plea from the Pakistanis the Afgan Taliban refused to compromise or even listen. Of course Pakistanis dont care about Budduism but they do care about friendship with Sri Lankans

Afgans are insane people because they use oppose just for the sake of opposing.. which is why no body could rule them but then again they couldnt rule them selves also.


    
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July 20 2017, 7:06 AM 

Now Usa failed in Syria too.They stop arming Syrian oppositions.They have so much sources but no functional brains.

 
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July 20 2017, 9:56 AM 

Trump to discuss ‘new ideas’ on Afghanistan
The Newspaper's CorrespondentUpdated July 20, 2017
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WASHINGTON: US Pres­ident Donald Trump has said that he wants to find out why his country has been stuck in Afghanistan for the last 17 years.

Trump, who is scheduled to chair a meeting of his security advisers later this week to review Washington’s Afghan policy, also said the administration was working on various ideas to formulate a new strategy.

The US president made these remarks at a lunch with his service members in Newport News, Virginia, on Tuesday, adding he came there to discuss “new ideas” with his soldiers on how to win the war in Afghanistan.

“We need to find out why we’ve been there for 17 years, how it’s going and what we should do in terms of additional ideas,” he said.

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“We have plenty of ideas from a lot of people, but I want to hear it from people on the ground,” he told reporters before the lunch.

Trump has authorised his Defence Secretary Jim Mattis to determine the nature and size of US military presence in Afgha­nistan.

Mattis is expected ask for nearly 4,000 additional troops and more powers to engage the militants. The secretary has pledged to deliver a strategy to Congress this month.

In a separate report on the situation in Afghanistan, The Washington Post reported on Wednesday that the US air war in Afghanistan has returned to a level of intensity not seen since 2012.

As of June 30, US and coalition aircraft had dropped or expended 1,634 munitions in Afghanistan so far this year, according to US Air Force numbers. By comparison, in 2015 and 2016, that figure was 298 and 545 respectively.

The majority of this year’s strikes have been used to go after the Taliban, said Navy Capt Bill Salvin, a spokesman for the US-led mission in Afghanistan, told the Post.

On Monday, a US Marine unit in Helmand province helped the Afghan army retake a district south of the provincial capital of Lashkar Gah. The operation was supported with “numerous” US air strikes.

While Afghan forces control some population centres in Helmand, the Taliban are able to move around almost completely unrestricted.

An April report released by Special Inspector Gen­eral for Afghanistan Recon­stru­ction indicated that Afghan forces control 60 per cent of the country, up from 57 per cent in November last year.

That same report indicated the Taliban had gained a percentage point of ground, still putting the militants’ control of territory at its highest in the country since US forces invaded the country in 2001. The rest, the report said, remains contested.

Published in Dawn, July 20th, 2017

https://www.dawn.com/news/1346436/trump-to-discuss-new-ideas-on-afghanistan

 
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July 20 2017, 11:20 AM 

@ Hendoo boobie

QOUTE


"While evidence of an Indian threat to Pakistan through Afghanistan remains scant"

This is where we know the NYT is writing complete BS....

 
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July 20 2017, 11:24 AM 

WASHINGTON: Pakistan’s concerns over India’s role in Afghanistan were “overestimated”, US special envoy Richard Olson said on Tuesday, while urging Pakistan to focus its attention on fighting terrorists.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1266465

 
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