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Re: Why US still hangs on Afghanistan?

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August 22 2017, 9:10 AM 

Of course, being defeated is nothing new for Taliban and their allies - Pakistan

 
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Re: Why US still hangs on Afghanistan?

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August 22 2017, 9:12 AM 

Talking about being defeated...lol


Indian forces were soundly defeated, 7000 men having been killed......"

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/546167/Sino-Indian-War


"This led eventually to an embarassing military defeat for the Indian army in an all-out war in 1962"

http://books.google.com.hk/books?id=GUUtG1fUgUIC&pg=PA14&lpg=PA14&dq=1962+china+india+war+embarassing+defeat&source=bl&ots=kDV6kjReYf&sig=WFaCq0KfyzmyLLSIImWQtsddnXE&hl=zh-TW&ei=NtHNSs7pMdD-kAWEhsH7Aw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3#v=onepage&q=&f=false


"From the phase of being identified as "Hindi Chini Bhai Bhai" to the humiliating defeat of India by the Chinese forces in 1962 to the growing warmth in the bilateral relations.."

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1301962


"India was soundly defeated in a month-long confrontation with the Chinese"

http://books.google.com.hk/books?id=lDbr84VIClUC&pg=PA7&lpg=PA7&dq=1962+china+india+war+embarassing+defeat&source=bl&ots=njhi6XP9VN&sig=lo8ryL6qTKv2mWjVo9H4pXZVI50&hl=zh-TW&ei=NtHNSs7pMdD-kAWEhsH7Aw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6#v=onepage&q=&f=false


"The embarassing defeat by China in October 1962 led to the formation of the Indian strategic doctrine...."

http://books.google.com.hk/books?id=sOTZqI5zREoC&pg=PA133&lpg=PA133&dq=1962+china+india+war+embarassing+defeat&source=bl&ots=SrJb_oNtAS&sig=p8Dr43BLXSi-u4Bz2kaeuF0PeOI&hl=zh-TW&ei=NtHNSs7pMdD-kAWEhsH7Aw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9#v=onepage&q=&f=false


"After administering a blistering defeat in 1962, the Chinese forces withdrew 20 km behind the McMahon Line"

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/indo-prc_1962.htm#


"Between October 20 and November 21, 1962, India and China fought a ... it ended in defeat, India lost prestige. "

http://www.idsa.in/publications/strategic-analysis/2003/jul/Sukumaran.pdf



"In a nutshell: China won the 1962 Sino Indian war"

http://indianiser.com/general/sino-indian-1962-war-the-fall-of-trust/


"Defeat in 1962 War with China was/is the most important event in Indian history after Independance. "

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?224864


"and the defeat and humiliation it wreaked on an unprepared India...."

http://www.reversespins.com/fortyyears.html





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Re: Why US still hangs on Afghanistan?

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August 22 2017, 10:41 AM 

other battlefield defeats of the Indian army

> Battle for Chawinda 1965 > largest tank battle after Kursk 80,000 indian soldiers lost to Pakistani 30,000 soldiers

> battle for lahore - sailkot sectors 1965 > a major defeat for the indian army where small local forces put unexpected superhuman effort and pinned large indian formation on the BRB canal..

> Kargil 1999> despite 11 weeks of the attacks the Indian infantry lost to the NLI and then ran to USA to force Pakistan back

> 1961 Congo > the indian army completely fcuked things up causing the UN a major problem


    
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Re: Why US still hangs on Afghanistan?

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August 22 2017, 11:03 AM 

'We must reject being made scapegoats for US policy failures' - Imran Khan
Dawn.comAugust 22, 2017
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US President Donald Trump on Monday night demanded that Pakistan "stop offering safe haven to agents of chaos” as he presented his policy for the 16-year-long war in Afghanistan in his first formal address as commander-in-chief.

While inviting India to to provide more economic assistance and development to Afghanistan, Trump discarded his previous criticism of America's longest war as "a waste of time and money".

As Pakistan woke up to the US' visibly stronger stance on the country's role in harboring terrorists, analysts and politicians weighed in on how Trump's policy in the Afghan war, his invitation to India and demand from Pakistan to do more would affect the country.

'How can he ask us to do more while inviting our enemy number one to the table'
Journalist Rahimullah Yusufzai

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Is it not amazing that President Donald Trump is asking Pakistan to do more in the war while he wants Pakistan’s enemy number one — India — to invest in Afghanistan.

If India is more actively involved, its grip will increase in Afghanistan, creating a greater threat for Pakistan. How then will we be able to cooperate with America in this war? I don’t think it is possible. In my opinion, Pakistan will extend its cooperation in the matter, but to threaten or pressure it into the decision is not smart.

Trump does not believe in diplomacy; the tone he had in this address is the only one he has and it leads to problems rather than conflict resolution.

He says that he will win this 16-year-old war using different diplomatic, political, economic and military means.

One of Trump's intentions is to build pressure on Pakistan; he will make a number of demands from us as he believes that America can win the war in Afghanistan if Pakistan cooperates.

However, he needs to understand that building pressure on Pakistan will not lead to a swift resolution of this conflict; rather, it will only make things worse.

’We must reject being made scapegoats for the policy failures of the US and India.’
PTI Chief Imran Khan

Just as India blames Pakistan for the indigenous Kashmiri uprisings when these are a result of its own failed policy of military repression in India-held Kashmir, the US again blames Pakistan for its deeply flawed and failed Afghan policy stretching over a decade.

This should teach Pakistan once and for all a valuable lesson: never to fight others' wars for the lure of dollars.

We fought two wars in Afghanistan at the US' behest [while] paying heavy human and economic costs both times. We sacrificed 70,000 lives in US War on Terror.

Our economy suffered over $100 billion in losses. In addition, there were intangible costs on our society. Time for Pakistan to say "never again".

We must also reject being made scapegoats for the policy failures of US and India.

'I anticipate more in-land attacks and economic sanctions'
Analyst Nusrat Javeed

President Donald Trump has made a clear-cut statement: he is not asking us to do more, that time has passed — the American president is now asking us to act or else …

I anticipate more in-land attacks on Pakistan besides the economic sanctions that will soon be slapped on us.

'There is no solution without addressing Pakistan's legitimate concerns'
PTI leader Asad Umar

Trump is threatening to go back to an Afghan policy of troop buildup & pressure on Pakistan — A policy which has failed to deliver in 16 years.

As far as threat of sanctions are concerned, has anyone told trump that US flows to Pakistan are so small as to be nearly irrelevant.

There is no solution in Afghanistan without bringing all segments of Afghanistan on board and addressing the legitimate concerns that Pakistan has.


https://www.dawn.com/news/1353189/we-must-reject-being-made-scapegoats-for-us-policy-failures

 
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Re: Why US still hangs on Afghanistan?

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August 22 2017, 11:48 AM 

China defends Pakistan after Trump criticism

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BEIJING: China defended its ally Pakistan on Tuesday after the US President Donald Trump said the United States could no longer be silent about Pakistan’s “safe havens” for militants and warned it had much to lose by continuing to “harbour terrorists”.

Trump on Monday committed the United States to an open-ended conflict in Afghanistan, signalling he would dispatch more troops to America’s longest war and vowing “a fight to win”.

US tough talk could push Pakistan closer to Russia, China
Trump insisted that others – the Afghan government, Pakistan, India and NATO allies – step up their own commitment to resolving the 16-year conflict, but he saved his sharpest words for Pakistan.

Senior US officials warned security assistance for Pakistan could be reduced unless the nuclear-armed nation cooperated more in preventing militants from using safe havens on its soil.

Critics say Pakistan sees militants such as the Taliban as useful tools to limit the influence of old rival India. Pakistan denies allowing militants refuge on its territory, saying it takes action against all groups.

Asked about Trump’s speech, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said Pakistan was on the front line in the struggle against terrorism and had made “great sacrifices” and “important contributions” in the fight.

“We believe that the international community should fully recognise Pakistan’s anti-terrorism,” she told a daily news briefing.

“We are happy to see Pakistan and the United States carry out anti-terror cooperation on the basis of mutual respect, and work together for security and stability in the region and world.”

With focus on Afghan policy, US team due in Islamabad tomorrow

China and Pakistan consider each other “all-weather friends” and have close diplomatic, economic and security ties.

China has its own security concerns in the region, in particular any links between militants in Pakistan and Afghanistan and Islamist groups China blames for violence in its far western region of Xinjiang.

“We hope the relevant US policies can help promote the security, stability and development of Afghanistan and the region,” Hua said.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1488113/china-defends-ally-pakistan-trump-criticism/

 
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