Too bad most americans are incapably stupid of
understanding a movie which is not action-based! This film's wonderful!

"Too bad most americans are incapably stupid of
understanding a movie which is not action-based! This film's wonderful!"
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I think this is an incredibly stupid comment to make, especially since it was MADE by an American.

Anyone who says that they completely understand Mulholland Drive is lieing since Lynch has said himself that it defies complete reason and explanation.

i agree there is a great distance between amican and european filmlovers
the us folks generally dont want to use their brain when watching a movie
europeans do
at least that is my thoughts
ps. mulholland drive is a true mastrpiece

I'm just a simple Swedish woman, trying to find a meaning in this complex world. It's sad listening to your border-line personality, which is as i see it the main criticism of Lynch's Hollywood.

Sorry my english is bad perhaps i just a russian woman who falls in love with this film again and again even if it brings pain or sorrow and make me feel so sad..Its a magic beautiful strange enigmatic movie.. I think maybe some part or even general idea of this film can consist of principle of American life (and maybe homo sapiens also..but mostly i feel it like American style ) These are ILLUSION,DREAM,POWER,LIE..some parallel with it.. no true love, no exit, no escape .. everything is illusion, but reality is always more awful..Hollywood is a great symbol of the great dream, but life in movie can be a big lie..its a borderline between fantastic invented world and real world.. I think author of MD is really genius, he found a plenty of ways and details to show us the Real Art..More than words..

Europeans understand it after the first viewing?

How and when was that poll taken and where are your results?

I',m European. I love movies, but I didn't understand shit of this movie after the first time I watched it. Makes no difference if I'm european, american, asian, marsian or friggin intergalactic... The movie can mean whatever the person watching it wants it to mean. That is why this movie is a true masterpiece.

Kris

...I'll have to agree a little...I'm European (Danish) and a lot of my friends and I felt we understood after the first viewing, and when I read some of the comments on amazon.com ...CHRIST!! Some even say, that if you like movies like Spider-Man, you won't like this.....HELLO!! I LIKE THEM BOTH!! Is it typical American, that you either like intellectual or action-packed movies? Isn't it possible, for Americans, to like BOTH?!?? Or any other genres, for that matter??
And...why, oh why, do so many Americans (guys) comment on the hot, steamy, lesbian scenes?? We see a couple of bare breasts, some kisses, and that's it......is that really so big a deal in the US?? Is it only in Europe that we acknowledge that love is love, and don't all tied up over gay/lesbian scenes in movies??
I'm just wondering...I'm not trying to put any of you down, but I just need some answers. I just LOVE MD, I'm not anti-american or anyhing...but sometimes your trains of thought DO puzzle me.....

Regarding the comments by a lot of Americans about the hot and steamy lesbian scenes in MD: one thing you should understand is that sexuality, sensuality and nudity in America, especially in movies and on TV, are treated with what you Europeans might call censorship.

We Americans are not subjected to it nearly as much as Europeans, therefore when we ARE exposed to it, we sometimes don't know how to handle ourselves. Remember...if a movie shows bare breasts on the screen it must received an R rating which locks out young teens (legally anyway).

Another thing to consider is that a large portion of the movie going public in America is made up of young teen males. Coupled with the predominance of young males who frequent the Internet, it's really not surprising that the comments about nudity in movies are what they are. Also, young teen males favor the action flicks (like Spider-Man and The Hulk) therefore the majority of comments about movies on the Internet will be about Spider-Man and The Hulk.

Hope this helps.

...not really, no. But, again, I have lived all my life in Denmark, born in '68 when pornography was legalized, so I don't share the 'don't-know-what-to-do-with-myself'-ness...but I think that it's a pity that it still is that way in the US. I mean, there's nothing more beautiful and natural than a naked body. And when I think about all the violence your young are allowed to watch...I'd think, that it would be better for them to watch love and tenderness between people, no matter the sex and sexual orientation, than to watch 10,001 ways to hack, slash and kill each other.

Many of us think the same way you do.

I watched this film with my 8 year old (had to explain a few things) and after one viewing even she got the general idea that the last bit was reality and the rest was a dream. Sure there are more in-depth explanations, and even this "obvious" explanation can be contested (doesn't JOHN02 have anything better to do!? Well OK his writing is interesting), but on first viewing this 1st pass interpretation was clear even to her.

Not sure that comments on "americans" vs. "europeans" are helpful. A year living in Germany, watching German television, taught me there is a lowest common denominator everywhere in the world. Jus think that this board is read primarily by people who love film and storytelling. Let's stick to the high road!

First of all, this movie is completely inappropriate for an eight year old to be watching. I would like to clarify that I loved this movie but, I'm also 21 years old. I do give you props for watching it with her, I only hope that you discussed the sex scene. I would like to point out that there is a reason for movie ratings and I think you should probably pay attention to what they are. Just be careful with what you expose to our vulnerable youth.

Could you be so kind as to spell out the reasons why you think that it's inappropriate for an 8-year-old girl to watch a lesbian scene?

Please bear with me, as I'm really not trying to make a statement; I simply prefer reasoning over arbitrary opinion. Myself, I don't have much of an opinion on the matter. By default -- since I haven't been convinced otherwise -- I personally think that there's nothing harmful about lesbian sex, just as I think that there's nothing harmful about Sesame Street.

Are you worried that she's going to go out and have lesbian sex with her friends, like some people are worried that playing computer games will make kids go out and kill people? (I'm still not trying to make a statement, by the way. Just take my words for what they are.)

Thanks.

Surely you can't be serious! There are many, many reasons that children should not be subjected to sexuality. Many psychologists have writen books on the subject and countless people have received a lifetime of therapy for being subjected to sexuality at too young of an age.

The world's population is riddled with now grown adults who were subjected to sexuality when their little minds were not old enough to process it. These victims now host a wide range of psychological symptoms ranging from disassociative disorders to full-blown psychological problems.

While it is true that most European countries are far more lax with reagrds to nudity in everyday instances, it is well-known throughout the world that children should never, ever be subjected to scenes or pictures of sexual acts....period. Doesn't matter whether the scenes be lesbian or heterosexual. Young children (of which an 8 year old qualifies) should never be exposed to this.

It should be a crime to allow a youngster to view such graphic scenes of lovemaking that appear in Mulholland Drive or any other R-rated movie. The same goes for violence.

When we desensitize our children to sex and sexuality what is left for them to see as sacred when they grow up?

thankyou for your explanation, i think the previous poster was trying to make another statement about being politically correct. as if there isnt enough of that crap in the world already...

I think you might be misinterpreting the position mainstream contemporary psychologists take with regard to childrens' exposure to sexuality (Did you pick that up in church... ?) Try to distinguish between the idea of children seeing and learning about sex (what exactly are you trying to hide from them?), and children actually being sexually abused.

Perhaps... children are no less capable of making sense of what they see (I refer to scenes you are discussing from MD) than are adults. The difference, rather, being the degree of novelty of the situation and the subjectivity of the child themselves, which is why, it is probably a very good thing that the eight year old be given an opportunity to learn that sex exists as a/the vital component of human life (procreation). That is, it is better to be understood at eight while under the care of a loving adult, than in a potentially more psychologically damaging situation... with results... similar... to the way you described them.

There will be no guilt or psychological turmoil resulting from watching those scenes. Instead, I think that the experience would more likely be theraputic, in a sense, and preventative of psychopathological effects in the future.

Education is preparation, and to allow the reality that sex exists to be understood is much healthier than such an absurd degree of censorship.

Just a thought.

Aside from the fact that you state you'd prefer the government to decide what can be viewed by whom and when (does it smell fascist in here, or is it just you?) you are equivocating "well-know throughout the world". What you are talking about is actually just YOUR personal belief, which is, believe it or not, radically conservative.

As far as the "desensitize our children" argument, that's simply not logical.

You must have meant well though, right?

I realize the child is now 9.

You shouldn't be a mother.

I don't believe anyone should be subjected to 'sexuality', it's a terrible waste of time.

In europe pornography is legal, but also horrible. I am from the states but am currently living in budapest. At 11pm the travel channel turns into HARDCORE porn and it makes me sick. If it were love making and the beauty of the human body that would be one thing but thats not what it is and everyone knows it

You're a dumbass. There are plenty of Americans out of the 300 million of us who are willing to try to interpret an intellectually challenging movie. You don't know shit about America, so just keep your dumbass mouth shut.

I for one am an American who loves this movie and watched it many times, forumlated many hypotheses and semi-conclusions on my own, as well as did plenty of research on other peoples' theories and opinions.

I for on am an American who enjoys the intellectually challenging movies more than ANY other movies. And there are plenty others like me. To stereotype 300 million people and assume they all think exactly the same, is the action of a TRUE DUMBASS.

If you think Americans are so dumb, stop watching American-made movies and posting on American-based forums. DUMB SHIT.

Just calm down first. Look at yourself, you try to make your point by being furious and calling people dumbshit and dumbass. Oh how adult and sensible you are!
First of all, just read what they said in the messages and try to understand what they meant and then, you can agree or disagree but do it with dignity, sense and respect. If you don't, then nobody will even take you seriously and even if you are right on your point, nobody will give a damn about what you are saying because of all the name callings and insults. So is this how you want to represent Americans? If I was an American I would be embarassed by you.

Erin, if you're american, you're not helping our cause. You said the whole 8 year old bit was inaproppriate and then you gave him props for it? I say learning is good. Problems occur when YOU get ABUSED . . . not when you watch sex (Psych major here).

You, the one who read all those books by Psychologists, should know that. I, however, haven't seen too many books about the effects of watching too much porn. I would be interested in the results . . . what?

In this thread: People argue over the internet about someone's opinion of people on the internet.

Pretty good troll.

I dont know how current this board is but i was just googling around trying to get some opinions on the movie.

First, the dream sequence is a good theory, i had watched it twice and I missed the head on the pillow after the jitterbug scene. good catch! makes sense.

I was thinkinging originally that after Diane shot herself, she didnt die instantly OR went to some weird place on her way to where ever you go after you do what she did....AND that during that journey "home" she imagined that dream like sequence.....where Rita (carmellia) was helpless not so powerful that she couldnt hurt her as she did in reality....where their love could be innocent and new....but flawed because it was based on Rita not even knowing who she was.....she was just a body, that Diane (betty) could "keep" in her great apartment and help and sort of have control over, even if in a loving way. I also thought that may be why she saw herself so dead in the 'dream'.

i never got who the two older folks were that came in through the door in the end, and helped her travel in the dream....i didnt realize they were related...good theory.....

I agree with most everything else said. cool movie. but i felt i had to watch it a second time after i got it, so that i could replay the scenes and have all those clues make sense. i bow to the person who could put allllll those clues together before the end of the movie. it clicked for me several hours later after thinking about it , after watching it once.

LASTLY, on boards like this, my opinion is to err on teh side of graciousness & be polite and keep the conversation going intellectually and on topic. when one person starts to let one insult slip, then the whole thread becomes about judgement and who is right, and i just wanted to discuss the movie, not everyone s issues and insults, i was bummed out to see all that. i just think it is best for everyone to keep to topic and let the audience feel comfortable on a public board.

Great film.One of my favourite.Just american life maybe..Everything is illusion or part of a dream..no true love, no exit and no escape..Power of money and lie..sorry people.. just my opinion..