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I am Angry
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Hello everyone I needed a few days to calm down but I am still angry very angry. #1 at Michael Martz and #2 at Edgar Prado and #3 at Pimlico race track. I may not know as much as a lot of people on this site and obviously my predictions where B.S. but here is what I saw Saturday and I questioned Barbaro's health the minute I saw him being saddeled outside the stall?? Why??? in 6 races they never did this before?? That tells me there was an injury they where hoping would not flare up again till after the race afraid he would bang something what?? a hoof maybe??? Then Edgar Prado from the time he was saddled till he reached that gate he kept looking behind and bouncing around absolutly frantic in stature no other word to discribe it Frantic on that dam saddle always looking at Barbaro's hind quaters and lastly correct me if I am wrong but isn't it proper protocol after a horse breaks prematurely from that gate like he did for the horses all of them to be taken out of the gate and then the Vet the Jockey and the Trainer look this animal over thoughly and the trainer then decides if he wants to scratch him or run him. That never materialized? Martz has not even mentioned this because he does business in MD all anyone of the people involved with this animal saw saturday was a meal ticket they gambled with a life doesn't matter if its furry and runs on fours they gambeled with that animals life?? and the lives of everyone in that race! Horse and Jockey God forbid! that had happened around one of those turns PEOPLE and HORSES would be DEAD! and all because if scratched they would have had to refund a heck of a lot of money! I don't care who Martz saved in 96 he failed that horses life doesn't matter that he is 3 for 4! and Prado should have seen past a Triple Crown and asked his Dear Mother for guidance! Such a Touching story they all have isn't it! Didn't matter that if he lost Saturday he had one Heck of a racing career still in front of him one Heck of a life and they gambled with it for money! Thats whats wrong with us all of us in this country we Judge morality by how much it would cost us to be right instead of being right at all costs! Michael Martz and Edgar Prado have their price and its the life of what they beleve is an inferior being because it can not talk or complain! If he dies they may as well have loaded the gun with the bulletts themselves! Someone challenge me someone make me rethink my train of thought! anyone I don't care who! but someone make me see this diferently Please!
1st:he was perfect the day of the preakness. and half of the horses(i think only brother derek saddled in teh stall)saddled out side and they walked him around because he doesn`t like being sadlleed and it was safer then leting him buck and kick in teh paddok(or saddling area) and Prado was checking him because he was bouncing. and he broke out the gate early because he was ready to go and he also heard a noise by the gate that meant go but it avously wasn`t. ok it isn`t either of there fault. if u looked at what they said about his condiotin before the Preakness he was pretty much perfect. he was problay excided from all teh stuff going on. ok so really think about what u see before u flip out ok!
Many years on the screw u streets of Philly tell me thats just not right its to tidy too neat it doesn't work or fit! I learned to trust my gut and Im trustng it here. This is all wrong I can feel it. but Thank You it makes me feel better to feel foolish for a bit.
Calm down, Lena. I know more of us here on this board don't have the expereince you have, but that doesn't give you the right to snap and loose your temper like that on this board. I'm trying hard to give you the benefit of the doubt, but one more outburst like that and I WILL delete it from this board. I was tempted to delete your outburst connected to this post but I wanted to warn you first. But from now on control yourself on this board.
Lena you might have something there. From what I have heard of Barbaro he is the coolest most level headed horse. I was there Saturday and he was acting out of character somewhat. If you recall the Derby besides when he was being saddled he was the perfect gentelmen, not getting to worked up. But Saturday he looked a little ornry and almost threw Prado off a few times. Very much out of character for him. He just seemed unsettled like something was bothering him. I am not trying to imply anything Matz doesn't seem like the type of man that would do that, but I don't know the man personally. There might have been something that they were not aware of, or maybe they were and didn't think it was that serious and figured he would be ok to run on it. There were an awful lot of big breaks in that leg for just a "bad step". I will admit it does seem awfuly suspicous because he would have won the Triple Crown had he not sustained his injury, it was more than likley just dumb luck. A gut feeling while it can often be true, is not rock solid evidence that there was some sort of conspiracy.
at first thats why i tought he got druged because he was so different but either they did find any drug use or they just didn`t tel use. but maybe his leg was bothering him but it wasn`t something that was detcable or just seemed minon eonough to safly run him then the bad step just messed it up
I would probably rule out drugs, because the aim of the drugging would be to calm him down and make him sleepy. Not get him amped up and disturbed like how he was acting. Also Prado has said he was acting normaly in the post parade when he was clearly not. When I saw him doing that I knew he wasn't acting normaly. Which is why I would tend to believe that if Barbaro did have something wrong with his ankle Matz was aware of it, but thought he could run on it. This is all speculation of course.
i wacthed this thing on druging horses. some bookie or rivel could have gave him something to hipe him so much he freak. or make him so sleepy he would run, i think they have some that can make a horse hear things but i am not sure on that one.
and if what i read correct drugging a horse can make injury much easer to get so u never know but since there was no word on it i doubt it, but they coukd be keeping it from use.
thats just what i thought though
Looked like he was ready to run *great.* That pre-race bouncing wasn't discomfort -- it was peak physical fitness and eagerness to run. I was at Pimlico, watching from the grandstand, and today at home finally saw the TV broadcast. I was watching carefully for any sign that Barbaro was not right in the post parade or after his false start, but the NBC footage only strengthened my impression that Barbaro was not sore before this race and truly did take a bad step during the early running. A horrible accident.
Please don't blame Matz or Prado. Matz sent a beautifully conditioned colt into this Preakness, and Prado handled him exceptionally well. Please send good wishes to them and to the remarkable Barbaro, who has beaten the odds during these first couple of days.
I just wanted to let Lena and everyone else no after Barbaro broke through the gate a vet did check him out. I just couldn't see from where I was standing. I at one point when I was younger had a stress fracture in my ankle it didn't affect the way I walked there was a tiny shooting pain in my ankle, but I could handle it. It did start to get annoying and thats when I finally went to the doctor and discovered it had happened around 3 months prior when I had no pain. It's possible he stress fractured one of those top ankle bones and it didn't hurt him so the vet missed it because it was a quick look over. And made the bone weak and then when he started to run at full speed it broke completley and then the rest of his ankle got screwed up. I am just giving possible senarios. I still believe it was just dumb luck. The path was set for him. If that didn't happen his career would have been the greatest of any race horse in history, winning the Triple Crown the Travers, Jockey Club Gold Cup, Breeder's Cup Classic. Next year switch back to an all grass campaign. Face George Washington in the Arc. Then in his final start whisk off to the deserts of Dubai and the Dubai World Cup and call it a career. Barbaro would have gotten a big parade in New York City tons of people would be cheering throwing confetti(thats just what I think Barbaros career would have been like.). Just dream of things that would have been because it's not going to happen now. In the words of Vince McMahon "Life sucks and, then you die!!!".
I worked at Thistledown for 2 yrs and 9 times out of 10 - a horse acting up in the paddock or post parade was a sign that they were nursing an injury - not that they were fired up. Get over the Black Stallion and Man O'War antics...Barbaro was known to be calm, cool, level headed. Big warning sign that was missed. Horse is paying the price now.
Your right. I don't own any horses I want to someday. But I know enough about Barbaro to know that he wasn't acting like normal. As I previously stated it was out of charcter for him to be agressive like that other than the saddling he is always calm and cool, he has ice water running through his veins like any clutch athlete does. I am not saying there is a conspiracy theory. But it is possible that there was a very very minor problem even before Barbaro got to Pimlico and it slipped under the radar. Matz and Prado could have missed something it was probably a hectic time for the both of them. Does that mean we should point the finger at them an say it was there fault no. Because blaming is not going to make it feel better, and it's not going to prevent Barbaros injury and give him the Triple Crown title that he so richly deserves.
i woned four horses. and some horses when the act different it doesn`t allways mena something bad. it depends. some horses have personilty swicths, they are like poeple the trainer of that casperhorse(quarter horse) said each horse has its own horseanitly so he could have been really wanting to go or what ever just casue a horse acts up dosn`t mean its bad.
I hear what you're saying, owned 2 racers. Barbaro's body language didn't look unhappy or painful, though. He looked very eager but not worried, and he went willingly into the gate (both times). I've seen many, many horses who were "on their toes" before a race but did NOT look good. Barbaro wasn't one of those. Furthermore, after the surgery, Dr. Richardson said there was no sign of pre-existing injury. That may not be absolute proof, but it's important information.
Maybe we all would like to think that this accident could have been avoided. These past couple of days, I've been looking hard at the so-called clues. But nothing looks more likely than Barbaro being extremely fit and eager to run, then taking a bad step. He does have a remarkably calm temperament, but he also has been known to get a little excited before racing (before the Florida Derby, for example). Also, the change from the peace of Fair Hills to being saddled near the infield carousers at Pimlico was a big one ... and I don't believe he got to school for saddling on that turf course. ; >
To me, after seeing Barbaro train at Churchill Downs during Derby week, his pre-Preakness behavior did not look like a personality change. It looked like Barbaro *amplified* -- really on the muscle, ready to let loose.
There will always be some mystery about why this breakdown happened, but I doubt there was any unmistakeable signal. We all should be careful not to spread rumors, without real evidence.
I was just giving possible cenarios. Like I said before it was just dumb racing luck. He had all the ability and athletcism you could ever want in a thorughbred race horse. He just got unlucky once and it cost him his career and possibly his life. Some people may think it was greed or what ever else. I don't believe Matz or Prado are capable of such a thing they are upstanding men. No one was starting rumours. I understand everyones need to blame this on someone but, it's not going to turn back time and prevent the injury and make him win the Preakness and in three weeks go onto the Belmont and win like we all know he would have. I don't mean to be blunt but, It's over. Because unfortanetly all the wanting in the world, that this fatal injury didn't occur is not going to change the fact that it did. It's a shame that it did. This in some quirky way I think has actualy gave horse racing a boost everyone I talk to asks me "hows that horse doing" and there not even racing fans. So this may actualy get people in to watching horse racing and then in two years when Barbaro gets to stud(reports I have heard say it could take up to a year to be able to exercise normaly and be safe to cover a mare) all the people will want to follow the baby Barbaro's, but in the meantime they'll get sucked into watching other horses run. Barbaro didn't when the Triple Crown, but he may help revitalize the sport and according to some guy in the breeding industry I can't recall his name "he might, be a saviour to the breed".
dunmb racing luck sucks put it happens i think i found the perfect modo for racing "anytime and anyrace(or place, which ever u like)" i think it fits. the moto can mean good or bad or both, which ever it fits at the time.
if that makes sense.
The Derby Saddling Paddock was where he only acted up. It's weird, how Prado always was looking at his legs during the warm up. One of the reporters saying he was warming up an awful lot, but that could of been a for a lot of different reasons, one thing is for sure while never know what would of happened, in the Preakness, but I know for sure he would of won the Belmont!
At least Barbaro is getting better! :) It really sucks that he won't race again but I would much rather have him alive then dead.
I bet if he makes it through this year he'll stand at stud at Three Chimmney's. That'd be nice when I tour stud farms next year if he and Smarty, and Dynaformer where all together. I know that the Jackson are friends with the owner's of three chimmneys
Do you think Matz will question whether he should have kept Barbaro on the grass. And tried for the new Grand Slam Of Grass and give America's grass division a little more boost. Grass is a little more forgiving then the dirt. With the way Barbaro destroyed his competion, in his three starts on grass, and Matz being oriented towards grass runners anyway....I don't know anyone have any opinions. I'm not blaming Matz for what happened I was just inquiring whether he would second guess himself know in hind sight.
its not his fault. i from what seemed to happen it was no body fualt but he may keep to the dirt or go tollaty grass or both. i really hope he comes back to race , i have a feeling he isn`t done making he rivel cry on the track.
I'm so happy he's doing well so far! I saw some pictures of him and he looks happy. Matz's said he was bucking around in his stall today! Obviously in no pain! He was whinning and nickering at some mares too! What a little stud muffin! ;)
Actualy that statement about grass being more forgiving. Does not alway's hold true for all tracks some grass tracks are just as firm as dirt tracks like in California and softer ones would be Aqueduct, Belmont and Woodbine mostly east coast tracks, but most of the time it's cushioner. The bad step Barbaro took maybe would have just slipped on the grass and not stuck in like on the dirt because he looks like he has a Daisy-cutting like style of running which is why he was better on grass and maybe would have made him more suseptiable to injury when he ran on dirt. I said it was no one's fault just dumb luck and a bad step. I was just thinking that maybe he should have kept him on the grass. That way Barbaro would have more time off between races instead of in the Triple Crown race in the Grand Slam Of Grass the races are spread out more. The time had nothing to do with it, but it still would have been nice. And on a side note seeing as how Barbaro's racing career is effectivley over I will be following the other Jackson bred horse George Washington and see if he has any better luck breaking Britains Triple Crown drought Nijinsky was the last to do it in 1970. It may sound strange, but I think Barbaro's fame has actualy skyrocketed since his injury and I think alot of people will put him up there with many of the great horses of the past. He was a victim of circumstances and I believe if this had not happened he would have won the Triple Crown and gone on to do many more great things. If he lives because it is still 50/50 this might actualy have some sort of wierd positive affect on racing despite the fact he won't race again. manowar 101 don't pay attention to what I said about Barbaro not racing again.
hi all;
ihave a print of man o war when he won the dwyer stakes in 1929, i believe.. a local antique dealer told me it was a water color.. it is done by george ford morisson. i cant seem to find out any info on the artist .. any one know what my options
are ?? it is in perfect condition framed under glass
would appreciate any in put .. thank you
1st he won the dywer in 1920 not 1929
but i never heard of him i don`t think. did the guy tell he that is was 1929 because unless he is just not a mow fan or horse racing fan or u got jepd.
HI;
I DID NOT BUY THE PRINT.. IT WAS IN MY BROTHER IN LAWS HOUSE WHEN HE DIED........ I HAVE AN ARTICLE FROM THE NY DAILY NEWS ABOUT MOW... I MAY HAVE MADE A MISTAKE ON THE DATE.. ANYWAY, WILL CHECK IT OUT WHEN I HAVE TIME... THE PRINT IS SIGNED GEORGE FORD MORRISON
(I THINK?? ) BUT THANKS FOR RESPONDING ANYWAY
WILL LET YOU KNOW IF YOU ARE INTERESTED...
HAVE A GOOD DAY !
There is an article about Barbaro and the surgery with some pictures of him coming out of that raft in the pool they keep talking about. And an x-ray of his leg. there is alot of metal in there.
Edgar Prado could hear the bones breaking in Barbaro`s foot and he stopped him immediately. However so did Baeza and Vasquez hear Ruffian`s leg break that day as well. They said it sounded like a board breaking. Any good jockey would know to stop the horse when that happens.
What is the joy in following the horses that are now in competition when they are just another group of three year olds? Who cares?
The show must go on! I know it's going to be tough. It was tough for you when it happened to Ruffian. I bet you thought there will never be another horse like her well your right, but in 77' Seattle Slew and after that in 78' Affirmed and Alydar and so on. Now they didn't replace her, but it lifted the sport to knew hights just like Secretariat did in 73'. This sport that we love so much is kind of like bi polar disorder you can go from being happy and enjoying yourself one day and two weeks later the career of a beloved and talented horse is threw and he's fighting for his very life, but the show must go on. If everybody in 1974 had your pessimistic outlook after Ruffian had died they would have stopped racing altogether. Bernardini, Songster and all the other rising stars and three year olds can't replace Barbaro no ones asking they do. Just that they keep the show going. Until the next special horse graces us with his presence.
I remember seeing the ambulance come for Ruffian and the nerves in my stomach erupted. It did change the outlook of the sport. I had little interest in racing except where it concerned my job. Seattle Slew was the extension of Ruffian in my mind as he was a Bold Ruler too. SS did revive some of it. That was two top two year olds that you could say at the time yes STARS! Ruffian who came within 1/5 of a second of equalling the track record in her first THREE starts. Then SS unbeaten at two as well ran the fastest mile ever for a two.
I worked in advertising and I knew the press deliberately PUT DOWN SS because he won the TC with a BETTER record than Sec. That would jeapordise the fortune spent on Sec ads if too many people would think SS was better than Sec. Much ignoring and poo pooing was done to Slew by the Ad Agencys
to save their investment on Sec. He was as good as Sec no doubt in my mind.
That is a FALLACY to say Barbaro or Ruffian or MOW did not face good opponnents. Hogwash!! It would not make any difference who they raced against. A top is in a league of its own and if the opposition were good bad or indifferent it made no difference.
Ruffian "had no competition" this board has said many times. Excuse me while I roll on the floor laughing. NO two year old in history could run as fast as she could. The horse has not been foaled that could run with Ruffian at two.
Thats right: not Secretariat, Equipoise, Count Fleet, Citation etc. Every one of these horses was noticeably SLOWER that Ruffian. AS a gate horse Ruffian was Lightning unleashed from a bottle and compared at raw times Ruffian is all the faster! Adjusting the speed figures only hurts Ruffian`s case but she still emerges much faster than any juvenile in racing`s long history.
I hope your not refering to me in that statement because. I didn't say anything about Barbaro or Ruffian or Man O' War not running against stiff competion. I might not have seen Ruffian, but I do know alot about her like the first time she set foot on the racetrack she tied the track record of 1:03 in her maiden. In the Fashion Stakes she beat Copernica who before this race was a very good horse, but Ruffian broke her heart and was never the same. Also she beat the unbeaten stakes winner Jan Verzal. And a numerous other talented competitors, and she destroyed them all in record times wheather it be at two or three. I am a little perplexed as to why you brought this issue up?. I am quite puzzled you put Barbaro, Secretariat, Man O' War and Ruffian all in the same sentence. Back before the Preakness it sounded as if you didn't think very highly of Barbaro?.
i think they are all great horse.(orwas a rising stars in Barbaros case) but in my PERSONAL opionon i think in a long distance race man o war would win, but thats what i think and yall don`t hae to agree.
and from what i read all the horses u say they had good comition.
Referring to Afleet Ales who never saw MOW SEC or Ruffian and who can`t handicap out of a wet paper bag is giving his "Infallible Decree" on which horse was best. LOL LOL
He did not see Barbaro coming either. JERK Do not give your opinion ok it is worthless any way. Stupid Head. What make you America`s leading handicapper. I am Paula not MOW LOver ok KID.
I am not picking a fight with you, but what kind of 86 year old woman calls somebody a "Stupid head" that's something a five year old would say. Lol Lol Lol.
that is WRONG ok not opionon is worthless and just becuase we were old enought to see them 4un doesn`t meanit is our fault and doesn`t mean we are less knowledgeable. i never seen any famous race horse(born 1992 and i didn`t get it to it till 2000) ok and i still know almost as much or more then any of u. ok so u know what stop being mean and rude for no reason Afleet ALex is not stupit ok, and his opionon does count,ALL of your counts so if u wanna be a which go some were else.
u have NO RIGHT to call people worhtless and that dumb buisness of publishing only puts what people want not the truth(u said it your self)so if u want to put poeple down please go somewere else cause its old.
Paula B. like I said before your not 86 and you have never seen MOW run, you act like you have seen every single race, but you haven't. I don't buy "I'm a grandmother who is 86 years old" I don't know ANY people who are over 70 that play around on the computer. I don't buy your gimic for a second. Second off, I never asked or wanted to be a handicapper. So what the heck are you talking about.
Thanks for the compliment as few octogenarins do have clear minds. I never said I saw every race but in a 45 year carrer in NY makers I did get to see thousands of them and all the big ones at that. I take it as a compliment when you say an 86 yr old timer can`t work the computer. LOL Maybe next year or two I won`t be able to do it.
Re: Barbaor Article-not about the injury but just about him.
by manowar101
ok never mind i really resd it all and it has stuff about eh injury but it has a table of all his races, the condion of them the distandce and all that.
KENNETT SQUARE, Pa. - Kentucky Derby winner Barbaro emerged from seven hours of surgery Sunday to repair life-threatening injuries and “practically jogged back to the stall,” said Dr. Dean Richardson, who performed the procedure a day after the colt broke his right rear leg in three places at the Preakness.
Barbaro was fighting for his life a day after breaking his right rear leg in three places at the Preakness, and the colt’s surgeon said he’s never worked on so many catastrophic injuries to one horse.
Dr. Dean Richardson was operating at the University of Pennsylvania’s New Bolton Center for Large Animals and said the procedure could take several hours.
Corinne Sweeney, a veterinarian and the hospital’s executive director, said the horse was still in surgery about five hours after it began but that the procedure was near completion. She didn’t give any other details on the horse’s condition.
At the front gate, well-wishers already had tacked up signs: “Thank you, Barbaro,” “Believe in Barbaro” and “We Love you Barbaro.”
Barbaro sustained “life-threatening injuries” after breaking bones above and below his right rear ankle at the start of the Preakness Stakes.
“You do not see this severe injury frequently because the fact is most horses that suffer this typically are put down on the race track,” said Richardson, the chief of surgery for the center. “This is
Unbeaten and a serious contender for the Triple Crown, Barbaro broke down Saturday only a few hundred yards into the 1 3-16-mile Preakness. The record crowd of 118,402 watched in shock as Barbaro veered sideways, his right leg flaring out grotesquely. Jockey Edgar Prado pulled the powerful colt to a halt, jumped off and awaited medical assistance.
“It’s about as bad as it could be,” Richardson said of the injury. “The main thing going for the horse is a report that his skin was not broken at the time of injury. It’s a testament to the care given to the team of doctors on the track and (jockey) Mr. Prado on the racetrack.”
Horses are often euthanized after serious leg injuries because circulation problems and deadly disease can occur if they are unable to distribute weight on all fours.
Barbaro was fitted for an inflatable cast by the attending veterinarian, Dr. Nicholas Meittinis, and the colt trained so expertly by trainer Michael Matz was taken to the Bolton Center.
There had been no sightings Sunday of Matz or owners Roy and Gretchen Jackson at the facility, which was swarming with media awaiting an update. The Jacksons reportedly were at the center for the start of surgery, but left.
“Two weeks ago we were on such a high and this is our worst nightmare,” Matz said Saturday night at the center. “Hopefully, everything will go well with the operation and we’ll be able to save him.”
Richardson outlined Barbaro’s medical problems: a broken cannon bone above the ankle, a broken sesamoid bone behind the ankle and a broken long pastern bone below the ankle. The fetlock joint — the ankle — was dislocated.
“The aspects of the surgery will be dictated slightly by what we find,” Richardson said. “But the bottom line is we will attempt to perform a fusion of that joint and to stabilize it and make it comfortable enough for him to walk on.”
The breaks occurred as a result of an “athletic injury,” Sweeney said.
“It’s an injury associated with the rigors of high performance,” she said. “They were designed as athletes and they are elite athletes, thus they incur injuries associated with performance. The frame sometimes plays a role, absolutely.”
If the surgery is successful, Barbaro will be lowered into a large swimming pool before he is awakened — part of New Bolton’s renowned recovery system that minimizes injury risk. The horse is fitted with a sling on the operating table, placed on a raft and lowered into the water, allowing it to safely flail until fully conscious.
After about an hour the horse is transported via monorail back to the stable. Richardson “anticipated the horse would have a pool recovery,” Sweeney said.
Barbara Dallap, a clinician at the center, was present when Barbaro arrived at the center Saturday night.
“When we unloaded him, he was placed in intensive care and we stabilized him overnight,” Dallap said. “He was very brave and well behaved under the situation and was comfortable overnight.”
Tucked away on a sprawling, lush 650-acre campus in Chester County, the New Bolton Center is widely considered the top hospital for horses in the mid-Atlantic region. The center is renowned for its specialized care, especially on animals needing complicated surgery on bone injuries.
The Jacksons live less than 10 miles away on their farm in West Grove, outside Philadelphia in the horse country of Chester County
Thank God He is okay! I just hope he get's these next months!
Barbaro Surgery Complete; Standing in Intensive Care Unit
Surgeons reported that Barbaro's seven-plus-hour surgery has ended, and the classic winner who was severely injured in Saturday's Preakness Stakes (gr. I) is in the intensive care unit at the New Bolton Center and standing.
Dr. Dean Richardson, who led the surgical team, said the son of Dynaformer was in surgery for about seven hours. He said one reason the procedure took so long was the amount of time to prepare the colt for surgery and the recovery time to allow the anesthesia to wear off.
"It was long recovery because he was under anesthesia for so long. The surgery was very difficult," said Richardson, noting that the surgery is only the first step toward Barbaro being able to survive his injuries. "The severity of the fracture was very severe. The long pastern bone was in 20-plus pieces. It was not a simple fracture. The skin did not break. He is very very badly bruised. We were able to put the appropriate implants in the leg."
Richardson also said a procedure to fusion the fetlock joint – the ankle – was successful.
"He got up from anesthesia without any injuries," Richardson said.
He said horses with injuries such as Barbaro's are susceptible to other problems, including infection and laminitis.
"These are all major concerns we have. At this moment he is very comfortable in his leg. Things right now are good."
Richardson said one of his major concerns, that the blood flow in the areas of the injury had been cut off, quickly dismissed when the doctors determined "he had good pulse in his feet. When we did the procedure he had good blood supply throughout."
Unbeaten and a serious contender for the Triple Crown, Barbaro broke down only a few hundred yards into the 1 3-16-mile Preakness. With his right leg flaring out grotesquely, the record crowd of 118,402 watched in shock as Barbaro veered sideways. Jockey Edgar Prado pulled the powerful colt to a halt, jumped off and awaited medical assistance.
Barbaro was fitted for an inflatable cast by the attending veterinarian, Dr. Nicholas Meittinis, and the colt trained so expertly by Michael Matz was taken to the center, known as the University of Pennsylvania's George D. Widener Hospital New Bolton Center. Barbara Dallap, a clinician at the center, was present when Barbaro arrived Saturday night.
"When we unloaded him, he was placed in intensive care and we stabilized him overnight," Dallap said. "He was very brave and well behaved under the situation and was comfortable overnight."
But when Belmont is dark tomorrow, there will be no races, no distractions. There will only be thoughts of the Triple Crown that might have been, and an uncomprehending jockey asking why, receiving no answers. At this point, Edgar Prado only knows one thing. “All the time,” he told reporters, “Barbaro was very, very special.”
I feel really bad for Edgar this horse who he just won the Derby on is never going to race again he is a great jockey I can't help but think that he probably feels responsible..poor guy! He's probably the greatest jockey we've had in a while! Hopefully the next horse he wins the Derby on won't go lame like Barbaro
good thing Prado knows Barbaro thought cause a jovky that doesn`t know a horse will take longer to notice a difference in stride.
i am glad he puulled him up so fast. and i don`t care that we didn`t a triple crown this year i was upset becasue the one horse that desverd it will never get it and is(or was)is severe pain.
This will put racing back a lot. Who cares who will win the Belmont or what future rising star there is on track. Truth is people see what a cruel sport horse racing can be as the industry breeds more horses than it needs and forces them to run on thin legs and ankles and many more breakdowns occur that are ever published.
Barbaro update: Surgery 'nearing completion'Associated Press
Barbaro, winner of the Kentucky Derby, remained in surgery at 6 p.m. ET Sunday to determine the extent of "life threatening injuries" after the colt broke three bones above and below his right rear ankle at the start of Saturday's Preakness Stakes.
During a briefing, Dr. Corinne Sweeney told the assembled media at the University of Pennsylvania's New Bolton Center for Large Animals that the surgery was still underway but was nearing completion.
Sweeney could not say whether the surgery by Dr. Dean Richardson, which began at about 1 p.m., was taking longer than initially anticipated. She added that Richardson had said the colt was undergoing major surgery so it would be lengthy.
Your right Paula B. it would be even worse if the unspeakable happened. I'm sure everyone on here is familiar with version 2.0. He was crushed by this whole ordeal, Barbaro was that special horse for him and he said he was done with horse racing which is probably what alot more people will be doing as well it's just to heartbreaking to see that. I have brought up the issue of over booking stallions as well I think Smarty Jones had well into the 100's and I know in Japan Sunday Silence had almost 200 mares booked to him at his prime. I just don't understand why the breeding industry does that. The foal mortality rate can't be as high as it was in the old days?. And not to mention the heavy inbreeding. Do you have any insight on this Paula B or anyone else.
One thing is sure 35,000 foals a year are bred for racing and half never win a single race. Mortality rate is high among cheaper horses who can not earn their way. The Ruffian debacle set racing back immeasurably. Racing was riding the crest of Secretariat`s fame and when Ruffian got that injury and many fans were turned off by the death of Ruffian.
Attendence and betting handles fell dramatically, an ordeal from which racing has never recovered, because many fans of the sport realized the cruelty of horse racing.
Perhaps you will no longer have that "snot nosed kids approach to racing" since you are experiencing what the sad truth of racing is now that you have seen Barbaro get hurt.
If Barbaro did not have high stud value as the Ky Derby winner, Barbaro would have been shot to death on the Pimlico Race Track. I have seen too much of that and when they bring the screen to cover the horse I get sick. You can hear the gun fired as the horse is being killed on track, moved me to terrible tears for 60 years now. I am so sorry about it all.
don`t they giv them a shot not sht them.
I would just kil horse because it doesn`t have a high stud value. i mean if the vet said i would be th ebest for the horse then yea but.
Perhaps you don't know the story. I am not a "snot nosed kid" I'm 20 years old. I belive you would be refering to my younger cousin Jibberish verion 2.0 who came on this board a few months ago a decided to use my name on here while I was off working. Not to worry as I said before like so many other people he's through with the sport of horse racing and won't be coming on this board any longer it's a shame something like this happened and it couldn't have come at a more inoppurtune time. You also have to add in the fact the casual viewer sees that any horse even the star can succumb to a career or life threatning injury. That's what would have attracted people to the sport watching the unbeatable Barbaro destroy his competion. Who knows when the next star will come around it could be next year it could be 2 years it could be 5 or 6 years and the off and on fan is not going to keep watching all the big races to find out. Even the hardcore fans of horse racing like you and me and everyone else on this board and everyone in the industry is going to be feeling this one for a long time to come.
i can forget thing i don`t like in my life. bu i can` forget this. and it sucks, i will still be a racing fanbecause when i got into this sport i knew bad htings coul happens just with everyother sport
Who ever you has little bearing on the truth of the matter. NYRA racing had a daily average attendence of 15,000 until the day Ruffian died. There after NYRA only got 3,000 a day and that trend continues to this day 31 years later. Ruffian`s demise did kill the sport in New York and no one denies it. If you are 20 years old fine. I love the young up coming stars of tomorrow. However in 80 years since MOW lived only ONE other horse matched MOW`s charisma. You are looking at odds of 2 MILLION to one that another MOW or SEC will be foaled this year or any year soon for that matter. A realistic old timer as myself does not expect to see it any time soon.
They do kill horses who would cost more to treat medically than that horse can earn. Witness Exceller who earned $1,700,000 but was lead to death when he could no longer produce revenue for its owner. The sad fact is that a track vet examines a break down horse right on the track and if the vets deems the injury mortal the horse is shot to death on the spot. A track van will come to the stricken horse and a large screen will be put over the horse so the public can`t see the shooting and the horse will be shot behind his head with and arrow gun. But you can HEAR the shot going off and I have heard that sickening sound TOO MUCH in 60 years.
Surgery for Barbaro, the Kentucky Derby winner who was seriously injured in the Preakness Stakes on Saturday at Pimlico, began shortly after 12:30 p.m. Eastern time on Sunday at the George D. Widener Hospital for Large Animals at the University of Pennsylvania's New Bolton Center in Kennett Square, Pa.
Barbaro was taken to New Bolton on Saturday night, hours after suffering multiple fractures in his right hind leg.
On Saturday, it was announced that Barbaro had a fracture to the cannon bone above the ankle, and to the long pastern bone below the ankle. But shortly before the surgery on Sunday, Dr. Dean Richardson, who was to perform the surgery at New Bolton, said there were additional, serious injuries.
Specifically, Richardson said Barbaro also had a fractured sesamoid bone, and that the right hind ankle was dislocated at the fetlock joint. Richardson said he expected the surgery to take more than three hours.
Bernardini, the Preakness winner, returned to Belmont Park early Sunday morning.
Brother Derek, who was fourth in both the Derby and Preakness, was scheduled to return to California on Sunday and will not contest the June 10 Belmont Stakes, according to Cisco Alvarado, the assistant to trainer Dan Hendricks.
Hemingway's Key, who was third in the Preakness, will come back in the Belmont, trainer Nick Zito said.
Richardson, the chief of surgery for the center, said the injuries were "very, very serious," and that he's never worked on so many catastrophic injuries to one horse.
"You do not see this severe injury frequently because the fact is most horses that suffer this typically are put down on the race track," Richardson said. "This is rare."
"It's about as bad as it could be," he added. "The main thing going for the horse is a report that his skin was not broken at the time of injury. It's a testament to the care given to the team of doctors on the track and (jockey) Mr. Prado on the racetrack."
Richardson said Barbaro sustained a broken cannon bone above the ankle, a broken sesamoid bone behind the ankle and a broken long pastern bone below the ankle. The fetlock joint, the ankle, was dislocated.
"The aspects of the surgery will be dictated slightly by what we find," Richardson said. "But the bottom line is we will attempt to perform a fusion of that joint and to stabilize it and make it comfortable enough for him to walk on."
No, it wasn't when he burst out of the gate, he took a "bad step" obviously a "Really" "Really" bad step! during the race, I just can't believe that he could break 3 bones like that, but thoroughbreds are so big and their bones are very bruttle
Someone said the Brother Derek stepped on his foot afterward..I don't know if I believe that or it would of made much difference.
I watched the replay it's, possible he could have got his foot stepped on or tangled up with Brother Derek that could have been a direct result of "taking a bad step". Which broke the top part of his ankle and from what I heard from Dr. Bramlage in an interview that would make his foot/hoof loose and then from there it would make the whole foot/hoof weak and cause the rest of the damage by running and hopping on it. I'm just taking a guess, but that would seem to fit with the long list of damage Barbaro suffered. Prado did an excellent job pulling him up other wise the bone might have come through the skin and then there wouldn't have been a chance to save his life. I know manowar 101 you're holding out hope that Barbaro might race again, but there is no way he would be a top racer, and he will more than likely walk with a severe limp the rest of his life. Atleast we have the hope that he might have some potent genes that he can pass onto all the little Barbaro's. Maybe one of his sons will avenge this by winnig a Triple Crown remeber "anything is possible in horse racing."
I say this while worrying about Barbarino like the rest of you.
Today is the board's 7th birthday, having been created on this date back in 1999. When I first made this board I had no idea it would be like it is today. When I first made it I was just thrilled I got a post if any on the board. I would like to thank everyone that comes to this board to share their horse racing thoughts. Without y'all this board would've died out years ago.
I think Barbarino is a nickname. ;) And a cute one, I'll probably never think of him as Barbaro again.
Congrats and thanks for this forum, Beth! It's been loads of fun lurking it for the past two years or so, and even better to actually post on it. I was so glad to find a forum for people who appreciated the horse who got me into racing, and it's great to see it doing well.
I know this may be off topic, but I'm just trying to get my mind off what happened yesterday, so who do you guys think will win the Belmont. So far those under consideration are: Bernardini, Sunriver, Lewis Michael, Bluegrass Cat, Steppenwolfer, Point Determined, Bob and John, High Cotton, and Jazil.
So far my picks are:
1. Bernardini -even though his Preakness win will forever be looked over as one of the biggest "stuns" in American Racing History, he ran a good race, he broke well, settle mid pack nicely and made a good run on the far turn, easily defeating the rest of the field by 5 1/4 lengths.
2. Point Determined - should be excelling, and the rest will definately help him, if he runs like his Daddy in this race it will be no contest.
3. Sunriver - nice hard fought win in Peter Pan, don't know if he wants to be back for a 1 1/2 in 3 weeks?
4. Bluegrass Cat - a puzzling run by this horse, seems to run only when he wants to, I don't know if he hasn't "learned the game" or if he has good and bad days, Derby was a woozy especially for a horse who lost his last two races to horses who I thought were "easily inferior" competition.
5. Steppenwolfer - nice 3rd in Derby, although he was losing ground at end, the Belmont won't set up his way like the Derby did, many of the horses pointed are stalkers closers and Steppenwolfer won't be the fastest out of those left, but still, he has a big chance.
6. Bob and John - my perdictions may have been corrrect, I'm pretty sure this horse is only capable of a 1 1/8 win, still he is more impressive then the horses below in ranks and he does like deep/east tracks
7. Jazil - his dead heat in the Derby really wasn't that impressive, he got the perfect trip, had just outside the rail, and was actually being caught by the far outside Brother Derek at end, I expect him to regress in this race.
8. High Cotton - his win yesterday was nice, still against inferior competition, he won't like the distance, expect him or Lewis in last.
9. Lewis Michael - not visually impressive, but he held on for a hard fought second in the Peter Pan, he will regress and his distance capabilities are an issue.
Bernardini really took a huge step up in the Preakness. And Hendricks wasted Brother Derek in the Preakness that was incredibly dumb on Dan Hendricks part for even entering him in the Preakness after a two week layoff from a horrid trip in the Derby. I went to Race Replay.com and watched the actual race because I didn't even watch the race as did many who were there, everyone was concerened for Barbaro. At the turn of the top of the stretch Solis had Brother Derek challenge the lead and then he backed him off and then in the stretch he asked him to go again and he had nothing under him. Point Determined in my mind hasn't proven anything. I think it was Jerry Bailey who said Point Determined is to relaxed during the race the jockey really has to lay into him with the whip to get him to go when he wants. Jerry Bailey by the way was a great addition to ESPN's horse racing team very knowledgable. I think if Bernardini wins the Belmont then he will get the proverbial monkey off his back and legitamize his win. I kept hearing the only way Barbaro wouldn't win is if something goes wrong, well it did and the second best horse on the track Saturday won even though he was light years second to Barbaro. Jazil is an underachiever, Steppenwolfer will be a closing threat. Have no idea what to make of Bluegrass Cat at times he has shown extroidnary ability, and other times he looks overmatched. High Cotton will probably be the pace setter along with Bob And John and both will wilt in the stretch. Lewis Michael is just totally overmatched not a threat at all. Sunriver if he goes probably will get suckered into chasing High Cotton at the front and wear him self down and finish back. So all that being said I think Bernardini will win it, with Steppenwolfer colosing late for second and Point Determined holding on for third.
Brother Derek wasn't ready poor guy, that's what I was afraid of. They were running a talented horse that had no shot, I didn't think he looked that good especially after his trip, people are making to many excuses for him he'll be tearing up Cali in a few months on rest :)
I hope Bernardini wins it too It's a shame he isn't getting much credit today in the paper there was maybe an article on his win. But Barbaro deserves it he fought like a champion...
I wish Lawyer Ron wasn't injured I'd love to see him win one of the legs of the TC now that Barbaro's out..But he too is injured...I can't wait for summer.
This might be a little out of place a midst this tragic career ending of a brilliantly talented horse. But I'd like to point out another asending star that I saw yesterday at Pimlico. Songster a sleek, handsome black colt. I first saw him in the Bay Shore Stakes when he got annihalted by the fireball Too Much Bling. Songster is by Songandaprayer, who is a hot young freshman sire, lots of speed, and is out of Peppy Lapeau a daughter of French Deputy. He ran in the Hirsch Jacobs Stakes, which looked like an afternoon stroll for him he lead the whole race then when there was about furlong and half left he just kicked into gear and left the rest of the field in his dust. He crossed the finished line with ears pricked and head held high. After the race he looked like he could go atleast another 3 maybe 4 furlongs, he has really grown mentally and physicaly since the Bay Shore look for him in the future in the Sprint division. But I think he could stretch out a lot further now maybe Albertrani will try it. They should try that with Lost In The Fog. Although he has never been the same since the Breeder's Cup Sprint. I think his will to race was broken that day.
His will to race IMO was not broken Breeders Cup Day, he was rank and versing older horses who had been around the "big boys". His last race was a throwout, he was coming off a huge layoff to verse a beast who was carring way less, he will return but I don't know if he is still the number one sprinter, but he should be doing the same if not better by mid summer.
I just found out from Thoroughbred Times that Songster's time of 1:09.72. Was a new stakes record thats impressive especially because Prado didn't even ask him to go he did it all on his own. The official margin of victory was 10 lengths and Prado was gearing him down.
There is no star in the making for if a horse had the charm and greatness of MOW or Sec it would be well stated by now. It is just another group of new foals reaching racing age. There is nothing impressive out there.
Paula B. you have a very strigent criteria for a star. A star is in my opinion a horse who is better than all the other horse around him/her. A Superhorse is a horse that trancends the sport of horse racing ie. Secretariat and Man O' War.
This is a very sad day one of racings brightest young stars career is over. I was at Pimlico today, it started as a fun day the air was electric and everyone was talknig about Barbaro. When he broke out of the gate early my immediate thought was thats it, it's over but then I said to myself this is Barbaro the unconqerable if any horse can comeback from something like that it's him. Before he broke from the gate people were amped up yelling "go Barbaro!, we love you!" then he broke out and the crowd grew quite a fog seemed to roll over the masses. After the race started he was going along just fine than he reared his head up right in front of where I was standing he started hoping on his leg and started to slow down. I stood there in disblief, most of the crowd didn't know what was going on, I heard Tom Durkin say "he's pulling up!. Barbaro is pulling up!" those words I will never forget. I knew he had broke something in his leg. I didn't even care about the race I was fixated on Barbaro I saw Prado and Matz on the track and I was just devestaded people were starting to cry. I started to well up. When I arrived at the track there was a smile on everyones face. When the crowd left it was quite alot of tears even the drunk infield crowd were relatively subdued atleast the ones that could still stand up that is. This is is alot worse than Smarty Jones or any of the other horses that have come close in the past, probably because they all got beat fair and square no quams about it. With Barbaro it was different because you knew he had that something special you just can't put your finger on and to be taken out by an injury makes me so angry. Will never now know to what heights of the sport Barbaro could have gone what feats he could have accomplished it's sad and repulsive at the same time. In the words of Andy Beyer "baring some unlucky deveolpments, he is going to win the Triple Crown." It's funny sometimes you never focus on the "Baring" part I mean what could happen right. Barbaro must never be forgotten despite the fact he didn't win the Triple Crown I beileve he could roll with the best in the business. It was hard to see such a classy horse in pain like that. My thoughts and prayers are with Barbaro and his connections The Jacksons, Michael Matz who looked in tears and Edgar Prado both he and Barbaro deserved Triple Crown glory and to have it snatched away like this is revolting.
i know he was in a long time th eonly horse that deveved to have the Title Triple Crown winner. but like i said if he has the will-pwer to want to win he can make a comeback. Teh horse that inspired Dream cameback and Persnal ensign won a race with 3 pins in her legs. so if we have faith and he barbaro)as the want strong enought to run i think he can make a comeback, but i am the only person it seems like on teis board that think that. it may be a career ending injury but ANYTHING is possible.
I right know he will live and either heal and race again or heal and retire to be a great(i think)stud.
We are all praying for him. It was a bittersweet day for me as I won with Bernardini. I couldn't even get excited about the victory. A sad day indeed, and hopefully a better with successful surgery and a career at stud for Barbaro.
I did not awake this morning to read "Barbaro Dead." It was a very upsetting day and night for me as it was gastly to see so great a horse in pain. Medical advances can save his life and that is most important of all. It was very much like the day Ruffian went down and it proves that any horse is subject to 1,200 foot pounds of pressure on its legs and its legs are delicate being no bigger than human ankles. A horse running 35 miles per hour is travelling at a rate of 52 ft per second and even if the jockey reacts quickly the horse will run another 110 feet before stopping. Great job to stop Barbaro as fast as Prado did. Maybe you have learned there is no such thing as a sure thing in racing.
You are correct in my 11 years of being involved one way or another in horse racing and a fan of horse racing I have learned one simple sentence "anything is possible in horse racing." You saw yesterday that it doesn't always apply to a positive event. More than likley Barbaro will live just keep praying. And hope he doesn't do what Ruffian did, and wake up after surgery and start flailing around, causing further damage, but I don't forsee that happening. I guess Barbaro will be joining his Dad in retirement sooner than we anticapated.
yea byut any thing is possible in racing right so maybe u my see him racing again(not very soon after 6 monnth or more) or u could see him in the retirement barn
it is not his fault ok stop blaming people for a unlucky accetend that happens to aleast 10+ horses a year ok. it could have happened anythime anyday it just happened on one of teh most important races of his career, but it isn`t anyones fault stop blaming poeple, your are waisting time huffing and buffing over something that isn`t anyone fault but what racing is. "anything at anytime"(the shorter version of what sume racing, wether good or bad)
Prado told the media Barbaro felt great before the race.
"When he went to the gate, he felt super and I felt like he was in the best condition for this race," he said. "He actually tried to buck me off a couple of times. He was feeling that good. He just touched the front doors of the gate and went right through it. During the race, he took a bad step and I can't really tell you what happened. I heard a noise about 100 yards into the race and pulled him right up."
LOUISVILLE, Ky. - Steve Wolfson saw Barbaro break from the gate early in the Preakness Stakes and knew there would be no Triple Crown winner this year.
"They call it the kiss of death," said Wolfson, whose father, Louis, owned the last Triple Crown winner, Affirmed in 1978.
Still, even as Barbaro collected himself and made his way back to the starting gate for a second go-round, Wolfson held out hope Kentucky Derby winner would rally.
This is the same horse, after all, who won the Derby on five weeks' rest and had never lost in six career starts.
"He defies everything all the time," Wolfson said. "I hoped he would win by 10 (lengths) and threaten the track record."
It never happened. Jockey Edgar Prado pulled Barbaro up after the horse injured his right hind leg while running down the front stretch early in the race. Bernardini won the $1 million race at Pimlico in Baltimore, beating Sweetnorthernsaint by 5 1/4 lengths.
The 28-year gap between Triple Crown winners is the longest since the series' inception in 1919.
"It's strange," said Penny Chenery, owner of 1973 Triple Crown winner Secretariat. "I really thought Barbaro was the perfect horse to go on and do this and it's just bad luck. He was carefully handled and he's a big strong horse, but that's just racing luck."
Steve Cauthen, who was 18 when he guided Affirmed to three close victories over Alydar during the spring of 1978, said he thought Barbaro could have been the horse to join the 11 who have pulled off the sport's toughest feat.
"Now you'll never know how good he could have been," Cauthen said. "It's gut-wrenching. It makes your stomach turn, especially when you have a really special horse."
Six horses since 1997 won the first two legs of the Triple Crown and headed to Belmont with history on the line only to come up short.
Until post time Saturday, Wolfson said Barbaro scared him more than any horse in the last 10 years.
Cauthen agreed, saying Barbaro's combination of speed and power made him nearly unbeatable.
But as the race unfolded, it again crystalized just how difficult winning all three can be. "There are so many things that are involved in doing it," Cauthen said. "You can't afford to have anything go wrong."
Mickey and Karen Taylor, owners of 1977 Triple Crown winner Seattle Slew, said they were rooting for Barbaro because they thought horse racing could use the boost that a run at the crown provides.
Yet at the same time, as the years pass and the drought continues, Mickey Taylor said it makes what their horse accomplished almost three decades ago that much more special.
"It's bittersweet," he said. "(Barbaro) isn't in the league of Seattle Slew or Affirmed or Secretariat, but this is your worst nightmare."
I agree but you will never be able to argue Barbaro against anyone thats what is so sad! What you know in your soul will never reconcile with the record books now!
yea he was p.o.ed they made him stop runing will he was firt stopng him he kept trying to run, he was think probally: "oh come on, i can do it on 3 legs" lol
He was probably not running so much for a need to finish the race, but simply in fear. Those pictures of his foot jutting at a 90 degree angle are sickening.
Poor Barbaro, of all the horses in the race, he deserved this least. Let's all pray that this isn't like Ruffian, and we won't go to bed thinking he's stable only to wake up with him dead. Keep him in your prayers.
What a disappointment. My hopes pretty much vanished after watching him break through the gate like that. I guess there's such a thing as being too keyed up. Now, the question is whether he can keep racing. Anyone know how serious his leg was?
Ugh, after rewatching the poor guy being pulled up, I seriously doubt he'll race again. Watching a horse break down like that is absolutely nerve-shattering, especially one so highly-esteemed and looked well upon. Vet Larry Bramlage gives his opinion:
i think he was druged
because he fractured above and below the ankle and it was pobaly cause by low blood low which could be caused by drugs
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but it was sad wacthing him trying to still race even thought he was being pulled back
i almost cryed
cause he was the one horse that deserved to be a triple crown winner
