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Wire harness ?? anyone here sell them??

August 21 2003 at 12:59 PM
Passat774  (Login Passat774)

 

Just wanted to know if anyone here builds and then sells wire harnesses. I know we all doing things here as a hobby but sometimes to help pay for that hobby do things on the side ?

I am looking for a H4 bi-xenon harness. I just want to plug and play !!!

 
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Re: Wire harness ?? anyone here sell them??

August 21 2003, 1:41 PM 

A harness for bi-xenon would just have 9006 connectors at one end for the ballasts, with an H4 socket at the other end, and a non-relayed trigger wire coming off the original high beam feed side for your shutter switching. Pretty easy to make, for maybe $20.

 
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etam
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H4 male socket

August 21 2003, 4:14 PM 

where is good place to get H4 male socket in Toronto or Canada? how much?

 
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Non-relay Harness for H4??

September 26 2003, 1:12 AM 

Ekooke:

"A harness for bi-xenon would just have 9006 connectors at one end for the ballasts, with an H4 socket at the other end, and a non-relayed trigger wire coming off the original high beam feed side for your shutter switching. Pretty easy to make, for maybe $20."

I'm making a harness for a bi-xenon on a car with 9007 connectors (dual filament).
I'm following the circuit described on the FAQ, but I'm getting confused, What do you mean for "non-relayed trigger wire"??

So, this wire connects directly without any relay??

Thanks!

- Mario

 
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Re: Non-relay Harness for H4??

September 26 2003, 4:38 AM 

The relay for the HID ignition is required due to the high initial current draw. This relay is triggered by a solenoid, and the bi-xenon shutter is also actuated by a solenoid (with a longer throw). You COULD use a relay to trigger the shutter solenoid, but it really wouldn't be necessary. If you think it would be safer & more reliable somehow, just use a 2nd relay to trigger the shutter solenoid, but I believe it would be overkill.

 
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Re: Re: Non-relay Harness for H4??

September 26 2003, 7:43 PM 

yea, bi-xenon solenioid probably draws equally to a big relay, in the order of 0.1 to 0.3amps, with an inrush of 2 amp max. So a relay for those would be overkill. But a serial diode is more vital for a bi-xenon solenoid than for a generic automotive relay coil.


    
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Re: Re: Re: Non-relay Harness for H4??

September 26 2003, 8:14 PM 

So the ballast wont shut off momentarily, like in a regular H4 bulb? I need to make a harness also. While looking at the diagram it says that you have to tap into the electrical system of your car and install a diode, is this correct? Is the diode going to stop the lights from shutting down momentarily? I own a Civic with H4 bulbs, in the middle of doing a retro fit with E46 Bi-xenon projectors. Also what does it mean when people refer to highs as being ground switched? Will this affect how the actual harness is made? Thanks.

 
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Non-relay Harness for H4??

September 26 2003, 9:10 PM 

Yes- typically in an H4 application, the low beam will power off when the high beams are turned on. Just pull your m/f switch and find the wire that shows 12 volts when the headlights are on, regardless of position (low or high beam). Now, using a diode, connect a lead to this wire and run it to your low beam relay. This will serve as your trigger. The diode prevents voltage "backlash" when you turn off your lights.

Ground-switching is just a fancy term for the position of the switch in a circuit, and is mostly common on foreign cars. Think of it this way: In a typical positive-switched circuit, power goes through the switch, then the electrical device, and back to ground. In a ground-switched circuit, power goes through the device, then the switch, and back to ground. So, on a ground-switched headlight circuit, the low beam and high beam wires at the bulb plug will show a constant 12 volts regardless whether or not the lights are on. I hope this helps.

 
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Non-relay Harness for H4??

September 26 2003, 9:51 PM 

Positive switching is where the device to be powered is always grounded (-) and power is sent to the device from a switched source.

Ground switching is where the device always has power (+) to it, and the (-) side of the circuit is grounded by a switch to complete the circuit.

Either way will work to complete a circuit, but a ground-switched scheme will produce less long-term wear on the switching mechanism; using Toyota (ground-switched lighting) as an example, their headlight & multifunction switch failures are the lowest in the business. The drawback to ground-switching is that it costs a bit more to implement, and many automakers don't/won't do it, just to save a few dollars per vehicle.

 
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Non-relay Harness for H4??

September 30 2003, 12:07 AM 

Thanks for all the help!

 
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Passat: I think you hit the nail on the head -

October 3 2003, 12:35 PM 

everyone's doing this as a hobby and they would have to charge way too much to try to recoup the time (that they lose for their own project) needed to make a one-off harness for someone else.

 
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Wire harness ?? anyone here sell them??

October 16 2003, 8:24 PM 

Passat774:

Have you finished your H4 - bixenon harness yet??

 
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