WHOPPER DOGS are American Bull Mastiffs


Eddingtons Whopper is in the 4th gen. Whopper was a cross-breed (APBT to Dogge De Bourdeaux). Scatterbred at best...with only a couple recognizable inputs in the first 5 gens, more coming up now that all the cross bloodline breeding is taking place. Im sure they're great dogs though. I have had a few, they are deffinitley purified bandogue.. Eddington put some real fine game and time into his dogs.. THATS WHY WHOPPER WINS in the PULL.. STRONG DRIVE.. SIZE... and as hot as they are... they are not game... they have a tendency to be MANBITERS.. Gamedogs are not natural MANBITERS.. EXCEPT FOR THOSE BAD BREEDERS AND ENCOURAGE EMBARASSING TRAITS...

Anyone who has THOUGHT ABOUT crossing PITs w/ mastiffs.. its been done already,, swinford bandogges and bandogues, PEOPLE STOP...

IF YOU WANT A GIANT ,, get a WHOPPER.. Genetically they are "pitbulls" because,, way back when the "bulldog" went into the pit.. and NEVER came out.. Over time all kinds of terriers, and mastiff crosses that were GAME were pulled into these traits.. AND it was no different in the 1940s.. Game is game.. . breeding for anything else.. well.. get into a different breed.. Whopper was game, not so much anymore.. YOU DONT WANT A 100+lb GAMEDOG anyway.. REALLY!! Stop BREEDING pit bull's to be curs..... or get a WhoPPER! and START a knew breed.. American Bull Mastiff.. The Bullmastiff was actually a cross between the old fightin "bulldog">staffordshire's and mastiffs.. and the old world stock before pollitics hit it.. Bullmastiffs looked just like a giant pit BULL..

the American Bullmastiff is already taken if you look at the Molosserdogs.com. I'm all for calling the Whopper dogs something else but until the registries say they can't be registered anymore or change the name of the dogs then I guess they will remain American Pit Bull Terriers. I think it was more likely Whopper was a cross breed between a APBT/American Bulldog. But what about Parker's Bouncer he is suppose to be the sire to Eddington's Bonnie Bell who is suppose to be the dam of Whopper. That dog looked like an American Bulldog. About them being man biters I've never seen a Whopper dog that was a man biter. I've seen some blue dogs that were aggressive but not Whopper. As of lately I've been around a ton of these dogs and haven't seen one that is human aggressive. I believe I've been reading that some are calling Whopper dogs Oklahoma Bulldogs. I don't know for sure, I know for a fact that the Swinford dogs were crosses between Game Bred APBT/English Mastiff, there is a man named Lee Robinson that has a breeding program trying to perfect the Swinford his kennel is called Chimera Kennels. He's got a really nice program going on, his dogs are very stable and he's very selective about them. The ADBA is going all breed and that's good in my opinion they may separate these bigger dogs or they may give them a different breed name. I guess kinda like how there are the Johnson American Bulldog and the Scott/Performance types. They are called American Bulldogs but are different types. I think the term Pit Bull is too sketchy, and also the term Gameness. People say it is one way to see if a dog is Game and then others say it is another way. It's got me confused lol.

Parkers Bouncer was, the the line bred dogue de bordeaux X game Game pit dogs of yester year... Eddington was killed for this some say... ??? I dont kno, people talk, and everyone is full of ****... hahaha.. huh?! w/ these dogs, even the News, and polliticians are full of ****..

I have studied the whopper line,, and there are other lines where a none pedigreed game dog just appears in the ADBA UKC after CH is proven.. It is my conclusion that all those who have made bandogs, banddogues, pitbull/mastiff, swinford and WHopper should mesh... PULL IT ALL TOGETHER>.. TRUE MOLOSSER.. I studied it and told many dogmen about it.. U see,, U R right about Pit being tossed around... any BULLDOG that is GAME , has seen the pit, or off of pit stock has been called,, "pit" bulldog.. Which all started w/ mastiff sized kill dogs..... domesticated from wild "killer hounds" ..

Oklahoma bulldogs huh?... I am an okie.. You already kno, Okla is known for producing the best bulldogs... True Good Ol' Boys.. hahaha.. ..

peformance/american bulldogs.... just got game apbts bred thru their program until they read American Bulldog.. hahhahaha.. Lil difference yes... BUT GAME>. is game... They got that from ... apbt..just like the AKC allows Pits that match the criteria, American Pit Bull Terrier is the most diverse purbred dog you'll see, from 25-125 lbs.. and almost every working dog/terrier has a hint of this GAME, bred in way back when, NO MATTER what pollitics says.. history is truth..

History is out there, , pollitics is to make the truth hard to see.. w/ RED TAPE... its in everything...

If you really want to know what game is.. .. Read all the Stratton, and select others.. game is simple,,, dont quit... not all game dogs will pull,, we kno pull dogs aren all game.. People do over use the term game...

obviously you have tried to start something here that is ridiculous and i have always sit by and not said something but what you are saying is true as far as someone wants to believe it is true. BUT what you are saying about a "WHOPPER DOG" not being game is ludacris sure there is some that are not your typical game dog mentalically, bur i can gaurantee not all are like what you propose which makes me think that all the research you have done might have might have bee around the neighborhood. i will not dispute that all whopper dogs are game but then again not all the dogs you praise about are either. that is where the term curs come in. correct me of i am wrong. but when it all comes down to it if you want to talk about traits that pitbulls were bred bring your Gr.Ch. to a national CH. weight pull dog "WHOPPER 4 LIFE:" and then only then can you talk this jive you are saying "Whopper will beat you either way" So to any one that is in agreerance (sp?) please help me out here. we do not agree with what you do with your dogs but push enough and you will lose simple as that.

WHOPPER 4 LIFE

Robbie Anderson

Ok I don't post messages on here but I am now. I know the person who wrote this originally on Myspace on a blog. He has a kennel in Arlington, TX called Abishai Kennels. I don't know if he put this up here, but this was unnessary. This person seemed like most other people who seem to be experts on the matter called "whopper" dogs. Now I am no expert to say the least. As I have been involved with a "Whopper" dog for only the last 6 months, but people putting this crap on this board is a useless effort. These people are nothing but childish being such "experts" and done so much "studying" but in reality where in the world did they get there information? Were they there when Whopper was bred? I highly doubt it. they also seem very cowardly in not putting their names, and threatening to steal dogs from people lol. Pure stupidity! In my opinion if you are against a dog based on blood simply have nothing to do with it and keep your "knowledge" to yourselves. Your just putting your foot in your mouth! This is a big dog pull board from what I get and it's mostly about Whopper bred dogs, no? Then why get on a board like this and bash the predominant amount of people and their dogs on here? I don't see any of these people getting on Game Dog boards or Show Dog boards and bashing them. In fact I believe a lot of big dog people also have game dogs too. I think it's more than anything pure jealousy but oh well. Some people will never leave things alone and I think it's best to leave posts like this one alone and ignore it. It won't get anywhere.

Robbie I think I have spoken to you in the past on Greg's board, I'm not sure though. I have had conversations with the original poster of the blog on myspace. However I do not know him personally and cannot say he has quality dogs or not, but I feel this was an unnessary post put up on here simply to start more drama and more hate on Whopper dogs. At the same time I don't know if he was the one that put this up here or not, someone else could have read it off myspace and decided "ooh drama drama drama" and put it on here. I don't know. I wish people would just leave it alone.

YOU SAID "WHOPPER" WAS GAME?
GAME IS NOT BARKING AND LOOKING BIG AND BAD ON A LEASH
"GAME" HA CAN YOU REALLY SEE "WHOPPER" GOING 2-3 HOURS ON A "HOG"
NO F-CKIN WAY.
CONFORMATION 4-LIFE/
P.S. I DON'T THINK YOU REALLY KNOW WHAT GAME IS "THATS THE TRUTH CAN YA HANDLE IT?
JIMMY/OKLAHOMA

Were you at in Okla. I would like to see what you have. Jim Gill

Alright jimslob it's cool with me. I have no problem with ever going to an ADBA sanctioned show again. Now that's just me, but imagine the blow this breed(including WHOPPER) would take if everyone that owned one just decided not to show. HMMMM Yup the shows would be pretty boring and with already diminishing crowds, it probably would be a losing effort. You like to run your mouth but your head is far behind, lol or somewhere else. Fine you don't like em, then why are you on this board???? I mean besides what Devin said that you got WHOPPER on the brain cause your tired of gettin beat. I have dogs of all sizes and do prefer the smaller ones. I frequent the game-dog message board and never talk s*** about their dogs. But I guess that's the difference between me and you. Talk is cheap. I'll to qoute others on this one. See your ass on the track.

i have a whopper dog,and he will go with a hog and stay there until it is done !!!!!!HAMMER, HAMMER, HAMMER,HUH,GO FIGURE

THA PROBLEM WITH BREEDERZ LIKE U ARE THAT U MIX THEZE DIFFERENT BREEDZ IN THA APBT AND CALL THEM FULL BLOOD APBT. U CAN SAY THAT BACK IN THA OLD DAYZ THEY MIX IN OTHER BREEDZ. ITZ TRUEZ BUT, THATZ WHEN THEY WERE MAKING BREEDZ THEY DID NOT MIX IN BREEDZ AND THEN CALLED IT A BREED THAT BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE. THERE PURE NOW NOT MUTTZ OR CUREZ BUT, THA LINEZ I MENTIONED ON THA MEZZAGE TEXT.

Most people know what i think about ruining the breed with the mix stuff,so i wont get into it;ignorant people can be taught,stupid people are a waste of time. By the way are you the same Jimmy that owns a half whopper bitch and recently bred her? hmm... Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black.

the whopper dogs that you see alot of people breeding to are there
mutts, it all started with "eddingtons wanta be a whopper" , see for
those of you who arent in weight pulling eddie eddington was a
pitbull breeder and he weight pulled his dogs , he won a but load of
trophies and stuff, anyway he was given this puppy "whopper" who was
half american bulldog and half douge de bourdoux, his father was
really "johnsons dick the brusier 2 " an american bulldog , eddington
threw adba papers on the dog and started weight pulling him , whopper
was around 120lbs , well he won everything under the sun in weight
pulling , and he was also bred a but load of times back to real
pitbulls, that is where you get the worlds strongest dog "spaldings
chevy red dog" who has one that title like 7 times or so , "chevy" is
really 1/2 pit 1/4 ab 1/4 ddbx and 106lbs, chevy is more popular than
whopper in somes eyes and has also so been bred alot, thats where you
get the "chevy line"(not all whopper dogs are chevys dogs, but all chevy dogs are whopper
dogs ), these dogs are great pullers , but there not pit bulls ,
there bandogs ,stay away from wanta be a whopper ,spaliding chevy red dog stuff if
you want to stay pure pitbull , bigger is not always better . its alot more easy to sale "100lb pitbulls" the 100lb bandogs. with that being said whoppers not the only line that has mixed lines

As it's a known thing that Chevy and whopper were bred a lot why do you assume that the only ones around are weight pullers?not every person has to go on the Internet to make their dogs known or even cares to have them know.
as an example Randy's dog HAMMER was known as KING and I personally caught hogs with this dog that have and would tear a smaller dog to pieces and HAMMER would not let go and would stay with a hog until you could get him off and away from the hogs any one who has seen HAMMER catch will tell you it take quite a big ol'boy to keep HAMMER off and away from them hogs lol.
HAMMERS daddy was the same way and his daddy was Darrels IWUS PETERBUILT straight off of CHEVY so there's two examples for you and also since some seem to be experts at terminology why is it that if the old pit dogs were only supposed to go up to 60 pounds then why is there(been around for long looong time)such a thing as catch weight hmmm.see if I get this right catch weight is any dog going to match over 55lbs such as if I were to campaign a dog and say open to catch weight that would mean that you could bring any size dog you wanted correct? but if all dogs were only up to 60lbs why make that classification hmmm?oh p.s. if you read Stratton then you were bound to see the pic of Colby's Cager pit weight over 60lbs or was that just that Colby dogs were crossed or as usual people are just try the old my dicks bigger my dogs better bull sh!t(sorry for the language James) so didn't mean to step on anybody's toes sorry if I did just had to ask a question of the ALL KNOWING wizard of OZ.
TOM HILL
my Email is at the top
not scared not hiding and
will always put MY NAME

A man told me along time ago that all you know is what you see,that goes with Whopper-Carver on and on. So if some one came to you and said the line you have was muts and said they can prove it are you going to cull your line.I dont think so because you probly like your line or you would not have them.I know that not all game breed dogs are game and not all Whopper dogs pull.But to come on here and bash others is not the thing to do.What about the other big lines are you going to go bash on them,were does it stop when none of us have dogs any more or when you rub the wrong person and they check your game. Jim Gill

therez no bashing here. juzt factz alot of people cant take tha truth. and thatz a fact. but,why tell people there full blood apbt and u know there not? I tell u why because u can sell them easy planin and simple. if u called them different namez like letz say american bullmastiff bulldogg and u know that tha real apbt rankz 2 in tha top selling dogz. be real thatz why all u breederz call them full apbt. but, letz say asking everybody if the registry revolk ur paperz because there not standard or what ever and u have to rename ur breed of dog that ur breeding would u still be breeding them dogz?? thiz iz good to think about. i want everyonez opioion!!

it's not facts when nobody really knows for sure whether or not Whopper was mixed or not. I've read all different kinds of theories on whether or not Whopper was actually related to Bouncer, was the son of Dick the Bruiser 2, was based on Mark Landers' line or was based on a dog that Blackwell gave Eddington. Who knows? Eddington is dead so nobody really knows for sure.

If Whopper was a mixed breed and registered APBT it was probably more to pull him against other pitbulls not to sell puppies. I've even heard that Earl Tudor mixed a game bred Pit with an English bulldog so it was indeed done back in the days of game bred dogs and that came from someone who knew Tudor. But again, nobody knows for sure.

as with dog breeds u must remember ALL breeds came from some other breed w/ intermixing thats how breeds become!!!! P.S y don't u go mess w/ some razor's edge guys about their dogs papers bein revoked?

i just have to apologize about getting involved with this thread lol. i know that these threads dont go anywhere. i could care less about what someone else feeds, if that is what they like that is great. i like what i have. so sorry lol

robbie anderson

AS far as razors edge goes if you do the research on the bloodline you've got names like :Mayfield, Hemphill, wilder, Colby, Ruffian, Stratton, ryan, York, Watchdog, Gaff, Carver and Crenshaw to name a few. I'm of the opinion that if someone doesn't like someone else's dogs, for example this dude hatin on whopper, then they need to shut up and pay more attention to their dogs. I mean, obviously these guys have spent a good portion of time finding out why they hate Whopper, and then all the time being vocal about it- that tels me that they need to put all that effort into their dogs and not someone else's. That's just my opinion though. God Bless.

"as with dog breeds u must remember ALL breeds came from some other breed w/ intermixing thats how breeds become!!!! "

I believe this is why some people are upset with the big dog's being called APBT. Intermixing of breeds is to create certain characteristics to define an entirely new breed. However when intermixing occurs and they use the name from one or the other parents to classify their creation as purebred is when fancier's of said purebred become angry. Reason being for this is then any and all faults associated with the "new" breed will then become known characteristics of the entire breed as a whole. Along with all the hard work past breeders put in to perfect their breed has now been turned upside down. JMO