3 rd Coast Bully Convention & APA sanctioned weight pull
February 18 2007 at 12:01 PM No score for this post
(Premier Login jamesbates) Forum Owner from IP address 205.188.116.8
I have had the opportunity to be able to host an APA sanctioned weight pull on rails in conjunction with 3rd Coast Bully Convention to be held at Reliant Arena in Houston,TX on April 14-15...this is a huge show it will draw people from all over the world some from Italy,Denmark you name it...they drew over 8,000 people last year and expect more this year...here is the deal...on top of paying your $20 entry fee per dog you will be required to have a booth(consists of a table and 2 chairs 10X10 area and will accomodate 4 crates)cost for booth is $150 and can be split amongst people if you like but it only includes 1 ticket and 1 parking pass any additional people are $15 per person...you must have a booth in you enter in the show or weight pull,no exceptions!
How many folks would be willing to attend this weight pull,everything has to be paid in advance.I need your input...it would be too costly to set this up and nobody show up...people been talking about going big...well here's your opportunity...you have to be willing to spend money in order to get exposure,recognition etc. this will be a huge event,with celebrities on hand,media present and such.
How many would commit to coming?...the awards would be 3 ft trophies and ribbons.Once you get a booth you can hang your kennel banner and advertise!I need a showing of hands!Thanks!I have to make a decision real soon!
James
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This show is BIG, there is mag, photos and all kinds of news.I have been to the last two years and it is great there is people from all over the USA.I will be pulling my first show in Paulsvalley.You need help in Houston we will be there so let us know so we can load a dog to pull. Thanks Jim Gill
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(Premier Login jamesbates) Forum Owner 64.12.116.15
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February 19 2007, 8:07 AM
Richard,
We are aware it is the very same weekend as Liberty,TX...but this show is set a full year in advance and the opening for a weight pull just opened up...that's why I was asking for a show of hands...if folks are not willing to go the extra distance and pay for a booth like this,then you can forget ever going public with a show and drawing a TV audience cause it takes a committment like this at minimal...I urge some of the viewers who were discussing the possibilty of TV exposure to go to one of these shows and check out how it is organized,run and what kind of committment goes into planning and organizing a show of this magnitude.You have to have corporate sponsorship,people with a true passion who are willing to promote the breed in a positive way and be willing to give a little of there own time and resources.
Needless too say we are nowhere even close to getting the kind of response we would need in order to reserve the space & booth's to hold a weight pull.So it will not happen,not here not this year...not by us,just do not have the committment or resources! Last year the lowly CKC sponsored this weight pull event and did quite well.Thanks!Sooner or later we will get an event like this planned,sponsored and promoted the right way!It's a vision I have and I'm gonna make it happen one day!
James
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James I have the same vision as you know. But I feel as though this opportunity was received without enough time to plan and promote. If things do not work out its for a reason. Hold fast to the vision and don't let it slip away behind a failure or two.
Keep on pushing and driving in the direction you know is right
Brian
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There are 2 shows that Bully fans look forward to througout the year...Bully Expo (Pomona,CA) and Third Coast Convention (Houston,TX). If anybody wants to REALLY show-off their APBT, this is DEFINITELY the event!
I would recommend anybody and everybody attend the show. It would help unite both the Bully and Working Pitbulls at ONE EVENT at the same time, to help each group gain the respect from one another. The best of the PULLERS and the best of the BULLIES. What better place to do this than the LONE STAR STATE of TEXAS...I think it would make the event BIGGER than the California show.
I'm even gonna try to fly out from L.A. to make it, especially if the Pullers show up!!!
Nick
p.s. I hope James brings Blu-Bullet to show off his blues to the Bully breeders...
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Nick I agree ...the working dog guys and the bully guys all need to come together. Our goals may be different but in the end we all have a common interest. PITBULLS.
Brian
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I think it is wonderful. We have the funds available and I am talking it over with Jason. Positive promotion and APA to boot, how can you pass it up. I will always take an APA pull over ADBA. As soon as I know, I will let you know. How and who do we pay? I will also look for someone agrreable with Jason to go with him.
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Kaye Langley
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I donot have pulling dogs persay! But would be interested in the show side of things, I have 1 yr old female Game bred dog I like to show. Don't know if she'd do any good. I also have a male coming up on 14 months old.
Is there anyone out there that could help me get them ready to show? there may not be enough time. I would let some one show them for me if they had the time. They are good dogs. But they need alot of work.
I'm currently working 68 hrs a week and just do not have the time to do what is needed! And too, I've never shown a dog before?
Let me know if one of you would be intered? I will help pay for the booth and all entry fee's. I will supply all my dogs needs!
So, if any interested let me know!
Thanks,
Joe Mumford
Mumford Family American Pit Bull Terriers
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Ok, Here I am to stir the pot. But my biggest question is this!!!!!!!! To all you "non-bully" people:
How can you say "Bully" convention and everyone and their dog shows up, but for us non-bully people it takes an act of congress to get anyone to show up. Heck sometimes I think the "Bully" people are more dedicated to the breed then we are.
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(Premier Login jamesbates) Forum Owner 152.163.100.199
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February 20 2007, 9:31 AM
Angie,
Your not stirring the pot,honey...your just speaking your mind...and it just so happens to be true...I can say this...me & Brian attended a APA pull in New Orleans about 2 years ago and they were having a Bully show at the same park that day...I'm here to tell you this,they had every kind of burger,meat,hot dogs you name it and it was all free to anyone showing or pulling,those folks were together and united and you did'nt here no arguing or conflicting interests going on either...I left there very impressed with how they organized and ran that event...and I'm not exaggerating one bit there were every bit of 200 dogs showing in the Bully class and we struggled to have 30 at a sanctioned weight pull...there were many,many bully folks over supporting our pull as well as watching and trying to learn...we should try a little of the same and unite and come together and all fight the same battle for the breed!Unity is in numbers!Think about it!My hats off to those guys,there working there tails off for what they love and believe in! Gotta respect that!
James
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I have to agree with you James. Us working dog folks could learn something from the bully guys. The bully guys can learn some creative things from us.
You cannot argue their success when they consistently show huge support for their sport or show or gathering.
That show we attended was impressive in that it was orderly, lots of law enforcement was there but they never needed to do anything but eat the good food and enjoy the dogs.
Their food has yet to be equalled at any show I have ever attended. Not to mention it was free of cost ( I tried to force a donation on them and they steadfastly refused it).
Outside of the incident of the bully owner coming very close to realizing what a true game bred pitbull is. It was a lot of fun and they sure have some things we can learn from.
Brian
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James....you know I tried to help the bully people around here in the New Orleans area with a pull at their cookout once and got crapped on because all they were worried about was the big headed fat dogs laying under the gazebos. Go with it, but be real careful who your contacts are and know up front what is required of you.
Tee
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Tee there were some rather "portly" dogs to be sure. But I guess if your not working the dog or asking anything of him and he's eatin good he's gonna take on that couch tater kinda look. Kinda like me now that I think of it lol
Brian
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You have to under stand what there want from there dogs,short,wide ,big heads and heavy that is want gets them the big bucks.Not every body pulls and not every body bullys but we have to find a happy mediam for every bodys right to to keep our breed as a hole. The bully show is not cheap but there do have to a big turn out. JMO Jim Gill
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(Premier Login jamesbates) Forum Owner 152.163.100.199
Here we go again!
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February 21 2007, 9:19 AM
Tee,
The point I was making is the people had a big turnout,they supported one another and the food & fellowship was good...I don't know all the behind the scenes stuff,your right and it's none of my business...I'm not a fan of the Bully stuff at all...I would'nt take one if you gave it to me,but that is beside the point...and as far as what I said about the food being free...I understand ultimately it cost somebody something...we were not even gonna eat anything and they offered it,we tried and tried to give some money and they would not take it,that's all I was saying...Had we known you financed that expense,we would have gladly taken a donation for you!I'm not a freeloader at all...most everytime I go somewhere I have my things,cooler with me and I'm more than willing to share and anyone who knows me knows that to be fact,but that's beside the point as well...next I do know what you have to go through in order to pull something like that off and don't forget...you were not alone...Jerry brought the track and supported you...needless to say we drove 7-8 hours got there,pulled dogs and loaded every last bit of weight on the truck and track as well...that would have been me,Matt,Brian,Brandon all helping out...so I believe we supported your effort wholeheartedly!Then still had to pack our own things and drive 400 miles home.It really is all for naught...this whole going on and on thing...I've already said it's NOT gonna happen this year,just not enough interest...so that should be sufficient...don't rip me for trying to do something positive!
James
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I appreciated all that you guys did...my point is that the bully people did not help me any...I had to pay for almost everything that happened surrounding the pull and some things that had nothing to do with the pull....I paid for some stuff that turns out was free!!!
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Its sad that weight pullers have to join up with the bully dogs to get noticed,
nothing against them personally, but all it takes to be in a bully show is,
get your dog as fat as you can and buy a leash, and then stand around and say,
he's two times gotty and three times short shot and ect....
the sad part is if they would work those dogs they might find out what they could do,
or what they are capable of doing,
why should we go to them let them come to us and see what they can pull.
but I know most people wont stand up and agree with me because,
there afraid they might offend someone on this board or not agree with certain people,
I know everyone wants to get weight pulling on tv and so on, I think it can be and will be done with out going to bully shows,the word is spreading fast about weight pulling,
like I said nothing personal against the bully dog people I hope they still have there shows
and do what they like doing, I just dont think the two different type's of [dogs and people] will mix, just my opinon, instead of dogging me see if you can bring yourself to give your opinon on the topic ??
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There are many reputable breeders of bully-style dogs who appreciate muscular dogs that are not fat, but there are several ones that are fatties.
There's no reason to think that bully fans can't get along with weight-pull fans. I'd only been to ADBA conformation shows and weight-pulls prior to moving to southern california...I'm from Texas. I made my first bully bbq in the summer of '05, and there were some very friendly people around who started educating me on the main studs, more notable breeders, and up and coming offspring. I like the big dogs, but some of these greyline and razors edge dogs are just as impressive with their looks alone.
Some of the recent shows have showcased some weightpulling with the likes of Omar Ross and Oliver De La Cruz bringing out their dogs and the bully fans were right there watching and applauding each dog as they pulled. Oliver is very passionate about incorporating the bully style dogs into weight-pullers. There shouldn't be any feelings of defeat by joining a bully show. In reality, most bully fans have never seen any REAL weightpulling dogs.
It only BENEFITS both types of APBT fans to join up. I'm sure there will be a time when some bully fans try to host a show around an existing weightpull show...just give it time. This is really the first time I've ever heard any REAL dialogue concerning the two shows combining in Texas.
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i think youre reply was a very good one. and indeed the bullies have far more coverage than the weight pull dogs. i think if someone actually seen what the weightpull dogs could do then i really feel like we would have many more people pulling their dogs. but all in all, there is a lotmore work in pulling dogs then there is in just feeding a dog all it can eat everytime time. there is alot of work by the trainer to make this pulling machine actually pull to its potential. i have seen many of these bully dogs dogs pull cars or whatever that is nothing, i have seen 30 lb dogs pull more than a bully dog could ever think about, its not the dogs fault and not to say your dog couldnt pull with the big dogs but it hasnt been done, so i challenge the bully dog people to step up, cause us weight pullers could feed our dogs way to much and make them look that way but honestly why when you have a working dog shouldnt it be worked and even if it is not it shouldnt be put through the gutter and fed so much it cant breathe in 80 degreee weather. all in all we really should all get together but we all have different goals MAYBE we could all get it together.but i dont see a full togetherness until the "blue" dogs get to working. ( disclaimer: not all blue dogs but the so called bullies) we are all fighting the same fight so please help out all you can.
robbie anderson
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maybe sone going to a bully show would show some the capability of these dogs, but honestly i dont see some not all doing the work it takes to get to really to even get to the point of taking a stab at weight pulling competitively, it might sound goo duntil they see the work that it takes. i hope some do honestly i woudl love to see them dogs out there,
robbie
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I think that the two coming together would be OK but as we were talking about the things that we would have to change for us to be on TV that the Bully guys have some things that they would have to change also ,
Every set of pictures that I have seen from a Bully Convention or Bar B Q has shown dogs in collars with 2" spikes and leashes made out of tie out chains, other than that they are usually dressed in matching Kennel shirts ,have nice banners,and have decent booth setups.
JMO
Sean
This is my opinon with this problem everyone keeps saying weight pullers or Bullies but we are all APBT owners , just because the APBT is a working breed doesn't mean it has to be worked , my dogs like to be worked but if i gave them the choice to pull or to lay around doing nothing , they would probably pick laying around with my four sons getting petted . the thing is we never should of been seperated from them we should of been working with them to better the breed . and Sean you say the spiked collars and leashes look bad but what looks worse a spiked collar or a weight puller owner on his hands and knee screaming in his dogs face to pull a large amount of weight that you as the owner are more excited about pulling then the dog is .i know your going to say the dog gets excited but not as excited as the owner .
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Jerome you are right but not everyone pulls that way and it reflects on the owner not the dog, I just think that the spiked collars and the heavy chain leashes reflect on the negative "Thuggish" side of the breed itself, and that is something that does not need to be broadcast over the television.
Sean
and because people tend to reflect on the negative I am going to change my logo on my site .
It was never meant to be Thuggish , my Wife came up with the brass knuckles idea because the inside of it and the finger holes look like a Paw print, but I do not want to be viewed that way so I am making a new one.
Sean
I have a razors edge male pulling. As a matter of fact We will be at Liberty in April. However, what you need to understand about Bully Breeds is this : If they wanted to weight pull- they would. Most bully breeders don't want to pull because of the money they are making, as well as, it's just not their thing. JMO
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