Since we are on the subject of opinions on breedings lately....

What do you think of this? It would be Eddington/Mealer/Freeman on Top and Eddington/Mealer/Mc Coy on bottom
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I'm biased here cause big boy is a littermate to my male, so any breedings would be good, lol

But to be serious, it would certainly be interesting to see.

I like how Bullet shows up in the top and bottom parts of the pedigree.

By the way, Bullet is not out of Bree but Mealer's Blue Smokie.

How big is Bonnie, I know Jiggs can produce some monsters.

My bad....I just copied it from that online pedigree site...sometimes they are right and sometimes they aint.....

I knew that if I would have just thought about it..but I was just too busy copying...lol

Bonnie is 90lbs and Big Boy is sitting at 90lbs also.

Bruce Church

I'm thinking I may do this breeding so that I can start a few pups on weight pull. I think it would be a nice match up. The top side has a twist of freeman game to make the eddington right and the bottom has a twist of Mc Coy to make the eddington right. All I mean be making it right is taking the tightness out of it a little to get away from stuff like under bites and some other stuff.

I also like the big blue blood lines in there that are mixed up with some of the original weight pull eddington stuff.....James Bates and Greg Mealer are the ones that I know of that have mixed it up a little between those lines and I like it.

Bruce Church

how much are you going to ask for the pups

I'm not positive yet that I'm even going to do the breeding.

If I do then they will be fair prices.....

Anyone wants to know then email me ... I basically wanted input on what weight pulling people thought about the breeding.... I try not to advertise on this board any more. I know a lot of people still do it but try to use it for what it was designed to do....

thechurchfarm@sbcglobal.net

Bruce Church

you just did a used car salesman job of advertising. do you have a job? or is rambling on the internet part of your job. do you even pull a dog? you come on here with so much experience and you haven't even started to wipe your ass in weightpull. the first thing you need to learn is how to be a leader and stop kissing ass. you act like a homo.their are only a handfull in weightpull that are keeping it true. i don't know were you got your info from but it shows you listen to alot of bull**** and run withit. this is the type of **** that has stopped the good ones from being involved in pulling anymore.
really not trying to offend you just some old school tough love. you are starting to be very annoying. so take it with a grain of salt and move on.

I tell you what man....usually that would bother me and I would defend it but I'm more mature now then I was 6 months ago...

I don't own a pull dog....I've never not once on this board or any place on this earth claimed I own or pull dogs.

This is the fact. I don't have the money to buy puppy that is priced at $1500 plus on a maybe to start out in the weight pull sport. I am the perfect canidate for the sport because I care less about competition or titles. I love these dogs and I would like to do something besides have them as pets. I think it would be a fun hobby. Just because I go about things differently than you dont give you the right to act that way. To tell the truth when it just comes down to it....There aint but about 10 or so people on this board that has the balls to stand up and say what they believe and post their name. I think your a coward. I at least post my name so I show people like you what I'm about. Your the ignorant one who cant keep up with what I post. I also dont fight fires, I don't own a gun, I'm not a race car driver, or a painter. Lets see I dont dig ditches, fix flats,climb mountains,mail box bash,or drive monster trucks. Does that help you out...pointing out what I do...now maybe you can understand that I dont do those things so you dont have to accuse me of doing them. To tell you the truth I dont care what one person on this board thinks of me. Not ANYONE! I do what I do with these dogs for the interest in the dogs. Any one that says different is a bold face liar and I will be happy to meet someone on any door step or give them my address so I will do it face to face. I'm sick and tired of you coward @ss people who wont post a name but will start crap. All you do is get me and people like me all fired up and they want to cuss and get pissed write like I am here. THen you get all these DAMN people that act like they are your friends on a phone or in person and they wont back you up on a simple message board. If I cant find people on here that will back me up then I will move on somewhere else and find some other family and friends to associate with. I get tired of hearing...from "old school" guys that I've talked to and know from pulls etc....that say..."aww I log here to look at stuff every now and again...but I dont ever say anything, their is so much drama I try to stay out of it". Well by the same token you need to BACK YOUR BROTHERS PLAY.

I've been judged on this board more than any person and I'm tired of it and I'm letting everyone know.

I love these dogs and I would like to get into weight pull but I dont have the money to own a bunch or even spend $75 on a harness most times. Some of you need to understand that and get off my back. I don't sell dogs to people who dont need them like almost all of you do...$500 isn't worth it if it contributes to the problem of what we are dealing with. If most of you would give a crap about the breed you would cut back and raise "real" dogs and sociate them with people and animals and let the public know that they are dogs...just like labs or poodles...they are just top of the dog world cause they can kick or kill your dogs but. And they get judged just because they were born....

They wouldn't be if people cared, if you care...quit breeding for money and raise and train dogs you can trust. If I offended you then there is a good chance I don't care ....for some I may say I'm sorry too...for most can kiss my hind end!

And when you meet or see me at a pull....you take a good look and know who I am...cause I will tell you the way I feel right up close and personal. I'm not fake, that is something that all my family and friends know about me. That is what turns me away from weight pulling sometimes is all "you" back stabbing, gossiping, hypocritical guys that pull on a constant basis. You care more about pride and trophies and paper work then the dog that stairs at you at the end of the chain or kennel everyday begging for attention. When I say "you" I only mean the ones offended. If your loyal and true and not afraid to post your name or say what you mean with ALL the people on this board listening then I'm not talking to you. Being quiet isn't always doing whats right...If you cant stand up for one person on the board because you think it will hurt your relationship with someone else because of your social standard with them then the hell with you because you dont care about the breed period.

Everyone can put that in their pipe smoke it or put it in their mouth and chew on it a while. Before you post you make sure you put yourself in my position first. I've missed bills and sacrificed meals to learn about weight pulling or bettering this breed.

BRUCE CHURCH

You had some good stuff to say that I hope some dog men will take with them. Peace Marvin

bruce,
dont want to upset you but just last week you were writing on here about bsl and a kid being killed wanting ideas what can be done to help our breed. well my opinion is dont breed more and if you do cull them and keep what you make. theres to many folks selling dogs on here allready stand up for what you wrote and lead and show them how you can do it. selling more apbt is no answer for the questions you were asking .as far as breeding your dogs for weightpull why dont you just use the nice looking male in the photo? at least prove him before you breed him. well enough jmo! take care good luck in whatever you decide.

lance shelton

FIRST TIME TO RESPOND HEAR ON THIS BOARD GOOD GREAF AT THE HATE AND DISCOENT !!!!!

This post was made way before the one about the kid being killed.....and to update people on that....there was foul play and the dogs weren't the blame ....have you seen that on the news? No....don't make headlines...but thats another story.

I said I don't sell dogs to people who don't need them. That in itself is positive for the breed. I'm not a breeder that relies on selling pups. I don't breed cause I like the dogs for a status reason. I don't breed to make a name for myself on papers. I keep and own and breed these dogs for one purpose, to put them out there in the right hands that will make a difference. I'm sorry if you don't like it. Yes, I've heard all the bs about there are already too many pits out there...matter a fact...I've said it myself a time or two...maybe on this board. BUt you cant go wrong by placing them in the hands of responsible people who will represent the breed the way they are supposed to be. Plus all the ones that don't have papers wondering around and all the ones in the shelters are the ones making most of the bad media.....All my dogs always have had and will have papers to show where they came from and what breeders had them that way it shows the professionalism of my dogs.

I want this breed to just fall out of touch with the media and become just a dog again so I don't believe I'm contributing to the problem when ALL of the people I've ever sold a dog to have been responsible and have changed peoples mind about the breed. I would quit breeding in a second if I thought what I was doing was not helping but the fact is that I am helping and I've seen it. And as far as weight pulling goes, to breed just because your dog is a champion or proven is stupid in my opinion. Thats like saying don't have kids if you didn't win state at football. Just because I don't have champions in weight pull walking around in my back yard doesn't mean I don't have champions. My are champions with the public and I know that is whats going to help. I do one day hope to be something with my dogs in the sport of weight pull if I decide that it's for me and my dogs. If it isn't then that will be fine too. That doesn't mean I should just move on to another breed because they don't or I don't prevail and pulling weight.

I understand your point lance....but it doesn't pertain to me in this case.


Bruce Church

bruce,
i dont know about texas but here in kansas i cant pick up the paper without seeing 3-4 pitbulls for adoption from the humane society every week! many are fine looking dogs that have been cared for and some even are papered! my point is some folks are good owners and care deeply for their pets some even spend thousands on their dogs and many of them wind up in the pound. for reasons like they rent and the lanlord told them get rid of it or they just dont have the time to spend with them or neighbors complain of the monster dog next door. all im trying to say is how many pitbulls on the market does we as a whole need? times are changing things we once could do now we cant heck in many places you cant even smoke in public! do you think bsl legislation is harder to pass than a stupid smoking ban? i love my apbt and yes shes off some good stock but my part in making the breed look good is taking her to rest homes and the local veterans home for a romp with old folks! her favorite field trip though besides sonic for her ice cream is my daughters daycare! she spends countless hours a week entertaining 50plus kids! some parents seem to appreciate it cause many cant or dont own a dog for one reason or another.i just feel the solution to our problem and the only one that will work is stop breeding and selling . i know nobody wants to hear it but really what else can be done! for every one good responsible owner theres 25 chumps that dont care a darn about this breed or any other for that matter. think of the dominoe effect if you have ten pups and sell them all to decent homes and they breed and sell and so on do you honestly believe that every dog that originated from your yard is going to be an ambassador for the breed ? heck no! they wont just because you do it right doesnt mean joe blow gives a crap! he just windbagged you into getting your dogs so he can go make some money! well thats it jmo i hope you see what im trying to say.


lance shelton

I really get your point man and I'm sure I've been "windbaged" a time or two but I do look very far into who gets a dog off of me. I'm not special and I don't carry lines that you can't get anywhere else but what I do have does creat an impression on most people I know. For instance, I can run every dog I own together. I can have them inside or out. I can have a female in heat and two males in the same room or inside with out a problem. I'm with you man, I treat these guys like dogs, not like monsters, and I show people as long as you do that then you don't have a problem with them. Although you need extra knowledge with this breed. To be honest I agree with you on the breeding and I've said it before...I can even find the post to show you what I feel about the problem going on but to be honest that isn't going to happen....I understand that. And if I can do more good by breeding than not than I will. If I decide to quit the breed and let all the other "25 chumps" run my area then it will spiral down in a hurry. That is my point.

I'm not a huge kennel that is mass producing these dogs. Just like the other day for an example. I had a man call me and ask me if the mother to his pup was fixed yet because he said everyone he shows his dog to freaks out over how laid back and calm and smart she is. I decided after the litter with his puppy to get her fixed to make sure I don't breed her just because I have her and she is well bred. To some people she would be a kennel foundation because of her papers but I care about her and don't want her to look like a dairy cow with stretched out tits when she is three or four.

I also require a lot of people to schedule a visit to the vet to get the dogs fixed if they have no interest in the dog for breeding. I even take the cost out of what I ask for the pups! So if you take that into consideration on why and how I breed them maybe you can understand it. I've only bred dogs responsibly for 5 years. In that time I've sold 22 puppies and 14 of those went to the vet and got spayed or neutered. That was also three litters in those years so I don't produce a lot as well. I know I'm telling you stuff that I don't have to but I wanted you to know so that you don't judge me on things you don't know.

I do agree with everyone stop breeding if it worked but it wont happen. Actually I wish the government would regulate all kennels and make them state run so that they had proper food,shelter, and sanitation and health codes to go by and would have government funding also. That way people that really had the passion for the pets would be the only ones breeding and it could be regulated in a way that would be in the interest of the animals and not the almighty dollar but a lot of people will cry about all that........it would work in a perfect world..lol....but our times are far from that!

Bruce Church

well my folks run a kennel for cavaliers show dogs they even sell to the movie stars no not paris hilton lol! their usda licensed and take so many hours of vet schooling a year like i said their regulated out the kazoo! and pay tons of money a year to those regulators it was designed to stop puppy mills and it hasnt even put a dent in it! government only exist to make itself bigger and stronger if they were to get involved it be worse than now i would bet on that. i spent many a year in germany and i brought home a rottweiler and a bull terrier they werent papered because its not allowed unless your dog is somthing special such as schutzhund, hunting, show etc. i still paid through the nose for both and they were great quality dogs but its hard to find them. i guess maybe if registrys would stop letting you register dogs like they do there alot of people wouldnt bother breeding cause they couldnt compete with the breeders that had the stuff! think about it take the paper warriors away that would help with all breeds. i feel akc is trying this now but it will take awhile to see how it works.

lance

True.....it would be better if they took papers away period I think. Then they could set up a system to where the breeder has to have all of his dogs registered through the registry online and then it would stop a lot of paper hanging which would stop the competitive market on these dogs. You could also make it where the buyer had to pay to see the registration or contact info to the breeder. Some websites are already designed like this....If the registries did it then I think that would help.

If they just had a cut and dry answer to everything would help also. They should just set a date and after that date not register new dogs. IF you don't like it then buy one that is. Period plain and simple...that would cut back about 25% of the problem in 5 to 10 years...maybe even more of a percentage! But Kennel CLubs always hunt for that dollar.....the create loop holes so that if your dogs registered through one of the other registries that they recognize then you fill out a form and pay so much and blah blah blah and presto! Your dog is registered DUAL! Even the ADBA has sold out or sacrificed their name on what it meant when they started registering all breeds....they only did it for money....not because they care about other dogs not being registered....

Bruce CHurch