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RAAF Auster

March 25 2009 at 1:58 PM

James Venables  (Login jvenables)
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The new 1:72 scale Auster kit from AZ Models has been released (wasn't there a 1:72 scale kit promised from Swprd or Special Hobby a few years ago?) and I was looking at photos of the kit parts, decals, etc on a European website.

One of the two boxings includes RAAF markings but shows a green/brown camo scheme. I was always under the impression that wartime RAAF Austers were overall Foliage Green - any comments?

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PTM
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Probably both

March 25 2009, 8:12 PM 

James,

I have not done any in-depth research on the RAAF's Austers but I believe that they probably entered service with the RAAF in the British camouflage they bore on arrival. However, most of the aircraft issued to 16 AOP and 17 AOP in late 1944 suffered badly when those units moved north.

Many of those of 17 AOP at Bouganvile were grounded in early 1945 to have their fabric and perspex replaced. Certainly after this they were finished in Foliage Green overall. I believe that this scheme may be correct for later aircraft of 17 AOP at Bouganville and those of 16 AOP that went ashore at Labuan and Tarakan in mid 1945.

Below is a photo of A11-8,(MZ174), the aircraft featured in those drawings. Judge for yourself if it is in British or RAAF camouflage. I believe that it is in British camouflage. On the other hand, the shark's mouth and the national markings depicted on the drawing do not seem to match those on the aircraft very well. The photo was taken near Bouganville on 18 Feb 1945, just two days before A8-11 was badly damaged in a landing accident, and written off.

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I also have a photo of A11-44 which did not see wartime service. It was received in October 1945, placed into storage, and eventually issued to 16 AOP at the end of 1946. It is still carrying its original British roundels and camouflage, but has the serial A11-44 on the fuselage side.

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Hope that that doesn't muddy the waters too much. As the experts say: check your references.

Cheers,
Peter

 
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David Edwards
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You learn something every day

March 26 2009, 9:49 AM 

I'd convinved myself that the wartime Mk IIIs were in foliage green, nothing else.

There are more pics on the AWM site and Pentland's vol 2.

 
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David Edwards
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More on shark mouth Austers

November 20 2009, 11:15 AM 

Thanks to Earl from NKR being at the Bayonet show last Saturday I now own a 1/72 Auster AOP III kit (my resin Uncle Les kit will go to a good home).

Pondering shark mouth Austers and noting PM's info on A11-8, but there's also a photo (OG3319) on the AWM database of a shark mouthed Auster being tinkered with, dated 08-1945 at Labuan and from 16 AOP flight.

Were there two teethy Austers? If so, wonder what the serial of the second one was?

 
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Bertie
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Was the sharkmouth meant to frighten the low flying birds??

November 20 2009, 1:04 PM 

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David Edwards
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Or Japanese troops?

November 20 2009, 1:46 PM 

Worth a try

 
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wally
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naah if it were meant to scare birds the teeth would be painted on the arse end..

November 20 2009, 8:46 PM 

birds would be overtaking the Auster

 
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wally
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a well aimed coconut could bring one of these down..

March 25 2009, 8:26 PM 

the thought of flying one over a battlefield jungle fills me with horror

 
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James Venables
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Here's one I found...

March 25 2009, 9:36 PM 

I found this whilst traversing the bush in NW Queensland several years ago on a mineral exploration program.

Not many coconuts around there though, so I doubt that was the cause of its return to earth!!!

By the way, thanks for that info Peter. I agree with you - the camo demarcations are visible in that photo of A11-8 that you posted.

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wally
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if you were wearing skin tight red white and blue...

March 25 2009, 10:25 PM 

you would pass for "Wonder Woman" in her transparent plane
(Incidently thats why she always wore pants.. she didnt want Air Traffic Control looking up her skirts in the circuit)

 
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Bertie
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When I last saw Wonder Woman I was staring at something else. Two in fact!!

November 20 2009, 1:06 PM 

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Patrick Sprau
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Sword's Auster

March 25 2009, 10:19 PM 

Hi James,

AFAIK, Sword did produce an Auster, and I consider it highly likely that the AZ Auster is the Sword one reincarnated (reinjected, maybe?). If it is a similar bargain as the Sword Vultee Vanguard (P-48/-66) redone by AZ, I will give it a miss...

... the P-66 sells for some easy $ 50.-!!!

HTH,

Patrick Sprau

 
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Nick Dixon
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I'll continue to use the very cheep Airfix kit

March 26 2009, 12:44 AM 

& detail it with sprue. I'ts good enough for me.

Nick

 
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David Edwards
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Airfix Auster is a AOPVI/T7

March 26 2009, 9:52 AM 

For us RAAF tragics, that will give us just the 2 Antarctic flight a/c. With a prop and cowl off a Bird Dog, the 2 77 Sqn Korean War Mk Vs are do-able. To venture to WW2 RAAF MkIIIs will involve much scratchbuilding or tracking down one of Uncle Les' resin fuslages and vacform canopies.

All good fun.

 
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Haydn Neal
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Paging Uncle Les for a re-release ? :) (nt)

March 26 2009, 3:24 PM 

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Les Applebee
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... I'll look into it Mr Neal...

March 30 2009, 3:04 PM 

although there's much improvement to be done to my humble offering.. if I can only find that box marked "Auster Project"... next time you're around Mr Edwards, remind me.

 
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Nick Dixon
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77sqd mkIII?

March 30 2009, 6:30 PM 

was not aware of these beasies, are there any pictures?

I'm collecting the Airfix kit so I can do 3 Antarctic aircraft (RAAF,RAF,RNZAF)and convert to wartime confiuration for RAAF & RAF (SEAC). I can get 3 kits for the price of the new one.

Nick

 
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Nick Dixon
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I meant mkV doh!

March 30 2009, 6:30 PM 


 
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David Edwards
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Sword Auster was only in 1/48

March 26 2009, 9:50 AM 

They did promise it in the One True Scale but it never arrived.

 
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Patrick Sprau
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Oops!

March 26 2009, 2:39 PM 

Sorry, my bad! Starting rumours here... happy.gif

But seriously, I just checked, I can still get the 1/48 (!) Sword Auster for approx. $ 30.-; that is a reasonable price. $ 50.- plus for a 1/72 WWII fighter is not...

Thanks for putting things straight, David,

cheers,

Patrick Sprau

 
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