I'm sure this has been discussed here in the past, but my search for "future" got too many hits, so I'm sorry but I'm going to ask if the product "future" is available in Australia, or is it available under another name.
I want it to clean up my Tamiya F-16 canopy - my first aircraft in a loooong time.
It is available in most supermarkets in the section of floor cleaning products.
It looks a little cloudy in the bottle (I believe Future is transparent), but dries beautifully clear.
Whenever I dip a canopy or window, I place it on a piece of clean printer paper (paper towel has too much "lint"), then put a small drinking glass inverted over the piece to stop any dust landing or blowing onto it. I prop the glass up with a couple of toothpicks to allow some circulation.
Future is called Pledge One go here. It is exactly the same formulae, just a different name for different territories. White bottle, blue lable, the liquid is quite yellow, and has a nice refreshing lemon smell to it, great for canopies and clear parts, crap as a clear coat.
Creative Models Australia
Re: "Crap as clear coat"? - nonsense - works very well. And is by far the best decal
October 13 2010, 4:10 PM
I've used it severl times now, and its rubbish as a clear coat. For clear gloss I now use Alclad clear lacqor or WEM clear gloss enamel. They dont run, they are silky smooth, and have a nice sheen to them, all as opposed to pledge.
Creative Models Australia
I reckon it' is probably the most overrated product in the modelling world. I've never been able to get a reasonable gloss coat.
I've tried One go, Kleer and Actual Future. NONE has lived up to the hype.
I find it them difficult to apply uniformly and a pain the clean out of the airbrush (like all water based stuff). It takes a while to dry properly and can still be vulnerable to oil washes (especially if you've applied thick coats and not left it a week or so to go off) Plus it's so thick it fills delicate details.
And I've never seen it get anything like this (Tamiya clear thinned with Mr Color levelling thinners)
I do know guys who seem to have good success with it but personally I reckon it belongs on the floor. Tamiya clear thinned with levelling thinners (or even lacquer thinners), applied in 2 coats dries rock hard, smooth and extremely glossy. The more coats you apply the shiner it gets
But , like you Malcolm I do like it as a decal setting solution at times for small decals. Plus it is handy for restoring canopies that have been damaged or where you have to sand the seam. Although I only use it on canopies if a really have to. I've found that even Tamiya tape will affect it if left for to long. Usually I find canopies are best polished with plastic polishes and cleaned with WD 40.
Rubbish, I changed to it years ago because I was tired of the tendency of
October 16 2010, 10:17 AM
acrylic clears to brown slightly over time.
Frankly I have never been able to understand why anyone has problems applying Future or its clones - just brush it on, use a tissue to soak up any pooling and that's it.
Use one coat, don't go for two because you only need to apply the second with a brush where decals are going. You lay the decals in the wet Future and let dry - it is the best decal settler I have ever used. No need for anything else - I have used it for all types of decals from the best modern types right through to ancient Frog ones with no problems.
Personally I just think that some modellers are afraid to experiment.
Not rubbish at all, just my experiences. Which are just as valid as yours.
I tried every type of Future before decided the "Future" lies with Tamiya clear.Personally I think Future/One go etc are rubbish as a clear coat. I can't see why your getting you nose out of joint because someone disagrees with you over floor polish?
I've never had a model long enough to see a clear coat go brown, and my oldest builds are about 9 yrs old .....
Well you see I have builds older than 9 years, and I have had the acrylics brown
October 16 2010, 5:15 PM
on younger ones. Plus it is so much simpler to use a single clear finish with so many advantages. Plus I'm not the one in this thread who loudly claimed it was crap. But I felt that I should reply in kind as he appears to understand that approach.
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I guess it depends on individual experiences and there is no right or wrong, but I must say that I totaly agree with Malcolm here. I am an Airliner builder and, as can perhaps be appreciated, Airliners require an extremely high gloss finish for best presentation. Future is quiet simply the best gloss coat I have ever used for the purpose. It gives the typical Airliner kit a pleasing gloss look and is a great base for decals as well. Future has proved to be my "holy grail" after having mixed results with other gloss finishers, that in some cases have yellowed with age, (not a good look on a predominently white airliner). It is user-friendly and easy to clean up after as well. As I say though, this is just my experience with the stuff.
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I have several bottles of the US Future and I have found it is pretty good for canopies, but the Australian equivalents are better for gloss coating. I don't know if they are the best gloss coat but they works fine for me and I won't use any other. Besides I have 6 bottles to get rid of.
Be careful with the Aussie ones from memory we include ammonia in ours which can play havoc with acrylic paints if applied too heavy by brush. I use it all the time and have no problems with it on acrylics if applied in light coats. I used to spray it but find it works perfectly fine with a brush.
The Aussie one are also a whitish colour and not clear like the US version but dry perfectly clear.
Like Malclom said it is an excellent decal setter. The best by a country mile.
You must let it dry for a while on a canopy before masking or you masking may affect it. Leave for as long a possible. It took me ages to figure that one out. LOL
Re: Dip (wait as long as possible to dry) then paint n/t
October 18 2010, 12:33 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Your an idiot.
What works for one, doesnt always work for another. Just becuase you like it, and good results, and find it good and easy to work with, doesnt mean others have to as well.
Modellers afraid to experiement? Well I've trashed soo many paint jobs and thrown so many models in the bin becuase of experimenting. If modellers were afraid of experimenting, then none of us would know about future, none would be using it, and this entire thread would never exist!
It's not your way or the highway Malcolm. We all use different things, we all use them different ways, we all have our own pros and cons for them.
Shane, the link above is good, thats what put me onto future, but liek I said, I hate it as a clear. For diping canopies it is great. Make sure when you do that, you hang it from a corner, so that the residue will run to a corner, and then ever so lightly, dab it onto a peice of toilet paper to suck up the excess. This may need to be done several times.
Dip your canopy first before painting. Leave it a day or two, then mask and paint.
TOR, for airliners and cars, I use automotive 2 pac, through the airbrush. I normally do severl thin coats over half an hour or so. Make sure you really wash your AB with thinners though!!!
Creative Models Australia
Glen when are you going to learn how to use this board? If you want to call me an idiot,
October 18 2010, 3:31 PM
then post it on the message I posted.
Next instead of just typing in the box and winding up with a heading which starts Re: and so on, which just repeats the previous messge, just start typing in the heading box. As I and many others do, that way we can then learn very quickly that you have called me an idiot.
See so simple, so direct and what's more I am not an idiot because I know how to use Future and you don't - nuff said.
It has nothing to do with winding you or anyone up. You are so stuck on your veiws that you are always right, and do everything so well, that everyone else has to do it your way and get the same results, and if they dont, then there not doing it right, or not using the right technique, or know what there doing.
Get it out of your head that what you do and how, has to be done by everyone else. Get it out of your head, that because you get good or bad results with something, then everyone else must get the same.
We are all individuals, we all model different subjects, we all use differents kits, paints, tools and techniques.
What works for one, doesnt always work for others.
The only thing we all have in common here, is that we are all modellers, we all love building models, and we do it for fun and relaxtion.
You can put two people in the same room, with the same kit tools and paint and both finished models will be different.
You and your veiws are not always right, same as mine and everyone elses.
You are too busy trying to prove to everyone that you are always right and push your veiws, that you dont accept others veiws. You dont have to agree or disagree with the comments to be able to accept them.
As far as I am concerned, future is crap, pure and simple. You may find it great, which is good for you. There is nothing wrong with that at all. Shane asked for everyones veiws, and I like others gave mine.
Does spelling really matter that much?
Creative Models Australia
If you want to call someone an idiot please email it directly to them, don't post it here.
Everyone has different methods of using various tools of the trade.
What works for one doesn't necessarily work for another.
That doesn't mean one of them is an idiot for not getting a product to work for them.
I can't get a good gloss finish on anything, so does that make me an idiot????
This thread started out as an innocent question for advice that initially got some good answers but a couple of remarks have threatened to derail it.
If these comments have been made in jest I will happily withdraw my remarks,otherwise I will ask everyone to play nice in the sandpit.
Assistant AMI Moderator.
Act your age people. A simple question on technique was asked and somehow it evolved into name calling and insults. If you disagree with a comment by all means say so (with reasons) but if you can't say it without insults then don't bother.
Hey every one, future is now avaiable here in australia www.beadznjewelz.com.au.They have imported from U.S.A and have avaiable in 798ml original bottle and repackaged in smaller sizes,250ml and 135ml.go to there web site or call the shop (08)83953195