just curous......iz it a biblical sin/curse 4 a guy 2 think he iz female......maybe god just created them da way they r.......

-curios-

Wanpela something yu want to tell us?

nah, just gender confused n discriminated by society dats all

unless oli stap go araon mo pleple wetem hol blo sit...

John teke ..maybe you're memeber of the group ....hehehehehehehe

It's been argued alot that to be gay is genetic. Like a proportion of the population being left-handed as opposed to a majority which are right-handed people. In my opinion, I think to be gay is by choice. The influence may come from ones upbringing. It could be that a man chooses to be gay because alot of portion of his upbringing is with the female members of the family and as he gets older longs for a father figure (in terms of security etc..) just as what women would look for in a man or when growing up if a man perceives that men are more nicer to him or pay more attention to him than women then he would grow to love men....These are just some opinion from the top of my head. In accordance to our culture, there was never a law against same-sex relationships. Even some scientific studies towards melanesian history and customs involve some acts of homosexual behaviour which young males have to do to enter their manhood. We perceive these people as disgusting and weird since our nation is based on Chistian principles and the bible does speak against it. What does that make of us Ni-vans then?...Are we hypocrites for critising gay people. Yeah sure, being gay is sin but doesn't Jesus Christ hate hypocrites just as same?...You may be wondering where I'm going with these but my point is, we shouldn't be making fun of them. They've made a difficult decision of their lives to be who they are. They are a minority in our nation and maybe we should be supportive of them. And with our support who knows maybe they could change. As i've said, i think it's all about choices and the things you face in life do affect your decisions

google gay and you will get the scientific explaination. I do not think its from ones upbringing. If each poly family has to bear one gay, then your opinion is wrong.

In the eyes of Christian people it may be a sin to be gay, but in saying that, the majority of homosexual people are nice, they have a great way of life. After all they are normal in every other way.

I think men in particular make fun of homeosexual men as they feel threatened in some way, when they meet one. eg..if i shake his hand is he going to try and get on to me etc...

Is There a "Gay Gene"?

Many laymen now believe that homosexuality is part of who a person really is ­ from the moment of conception.


The "genetic and unchangeable" theory has been actively promoted by gay activists and the popular media. Is homosexuality really an inborn and normal variant of human nature?


No. There is no evidence that shows that homosexuality is simply "genetic." And none of the research claims there is. Only the press and certain researchers do, when speaking in sound bites to the public.





How The Public Was Misled


In July of 1993, the prestigious research journal Science published a study by Dean Hamer which claims that there might be a gene for homosexuality. Research seemed to be on the verge of proving that homosexuality is innate, genetic and therefore unchangeablea normal variant of human nature.


Soon afterward, National Public Radio trumpeted those findings. Newsweek ran the cover story, "Gay Gene?" The Wall Street Journal announced, "Research Points Toward a Gay Gene...Normal Variation."


Of course, certain necessary qualifiers were added within those news stories. But only an expert knew what those qualifiers meant. The vast majority of readers were urged to believe that homosexuals had been proven to be "born that way."


In order to grasp what is really going on, one needs to understand some littleknown facts about behavioral genetics.




Gene Linkage Studies


Dean Hamer and his colleagues had performed a common type of behavioral genetics investigation called the "linkage study." Researchers identify a behavioral trait that runs in a family, and then:


a) look for a chromosomal variant in the genetic material of that family, and

b) determine whether that variant is more frequent in family members who share the particular trait.


To the layman, the "correlation" of a genetic structure with a behavioral trait means that trait "is genetic"-in other words, inherited.


In fact, it means absolutely nothing of the sort, and it should be emphasized that there is virtually no human trait without innumerable such correlations.




Scientists Know the Truth about "Gay Gene" Research


But before we consider the specifics, here is what serious scientists think about recent genetics-of-behavior research. From Science, 1994:


Time and time again, scientists have claimed that particular genes or chromosomal regions are associated with behavioral traits, only to withdraw their findings when they were not replicated. "Unfortunately," says Yale's [Dr. Joel] Gelernter, "it's hard to come up with many" findings linking specific genes to complex human behaviors that have been replicated. "...All were announced with great fanfare; all were greeted unskeptically in the popular press; all are now in disrepute."{1}



Homosexual Twin Studies


Two American activists recently published studies showing that if one of a pair of identical twins is homosexual, the other member of the pair will be, too, in just under 50% of the cases. On this basis, they claim that "homosexuality is genetic."


But two other genetic researchers--one heads one of the largest genetics departments in the country, the other is at Harvard--comment:


While the authors interpreted their findings as evidence for a genetic basis for homosexuality, we think that the data in fact provide strong evidence for the influence of the environment.{2}

The author of the lead article on genes and behavior in a special issue of Science speaks of the renewed scientific recognition of the importance of environment. He notes the growing understanding that:


... the interaction of genes and environment is much more complicated than the simple "violence genes" and intelligence genes" touted in the popular press.The same data that show the effects of genes, also point to the enormous influence of nongenetic factors.{3}



More Modest Claims to the Scientific Community


Researchers' public statements to the press are often grand and far-reaching. But when answering the scientific community, they speak much more cautiously.


"Gay gene" researcher Dean Hamer was asked by Scientific American if homosexuality was rooted solely in biology. He replied:


"Absolutely not. From twin studies, we already know that half or more of the variability in sexual orientation is not inherited. Our studies try to pinpoint the genetic factors...not negate the psychosocial factors."{4}

But in qualifying their findings, researchers often use language that will surely evade general understanding making statements that will continue to be avoided by the popular press, such as:


...the question of the appropriate significance level to apply to a nonMendelian trait such as sexual orientation is problematic.{5}

Sounds too complex to bother translating? This is actually a very important statement. In layman's terms, this means:


It is not possible to know what the findings mean--if anything--since sexual orientation cannot possibly be inherited in the direct way eyecolor is.


Thus, to their fellow scientists, the researchers have been honestly acknowledging the limitations of their research. However, the media doesn't understand that message. Columnist Ann Landers, for example, tells her readers that "homosexuals are born, not made." The media offers partial truths because the scientific reality is simply too unexciting to make the evening news; too complex for mass consumption; and furthermore, not fully and accurately understood by reporters.




Accurate Reporting Will Never Come in "Sound Bites"


There are no "lite," soundbite versions of behavioral genetics that are not fundamentally in error in one way or another.


Nonetheless, if one grasps at least some of the basics, in simple form, it will be possible to see exactly why the current research into homosexuality means so littleand will continue to mean little, even should the quality of the research methods improveso long as it remains driven by political, rather than scientific objectives.




Understanding the Theory


There are only two major principles that need to be carefully understood in order to see through the distortions of the recent research. They are as follows:


1. Heritable does not mean inherited.

2. Genetics research which is truly meaningful will identify, and then focus on, only traits that are directly inherited.


Almost every human characteristic is in significant measure heritable. But few human behavioral traits are directly inherited, in the manner of height, for example, or eye color. Inherited means "directly determined by genes," with little or no way of preventing or modifying the trait through a change in the environment.




How to "Prove" That Basketball-Players are Born that Way


Suppose you are motivated to demonstratefor political reasons--that there is a basketball gene that makes people grow up to be basketball players. You would use the same methods that have been used with homosexuality: (1) twin studies; (2) brain dissections; (3) gene "linkage" studies.


The basic idea in twin studies is to show that the more genetically similar two people are, the more likely it is that they will share the trait you are studying.


So you identify groups of twins in which at least one is a basketball player. You will probably find that if one identical twin is a basketball player, his twin brother is statistically more likely be one, too. You would need to create groups of different kinds of pairs to make further comparisons--one set of identical twin pairs, one set of nonidentical twin pairs, one set of sibling pairs, etc.


Using the "concordance rate" (the percentage of pairs in which both twins are basketball players, or both are not), you would calculate a "heritability" rate. The concordance rate would be quite high--just as in the concordance rate for homosexuality.


Then, you announce to the reporter from Sports Illustrated: "Our research demonstrates that basketball playing is strongly heritable." (And you would be right. It would be "heritable"--but not directly inherited. Few readers would be aware of the distinction, however.)


Soon after, the article appears. It says:


"...New research shows that basketball playing is probably inherited. Basketball players are apparently 'born that way!' A number of outside researchers examined the work and found it substantially accurate and wellperformed..."

But no one (other than the serious scientist) notices the media's inaccurate reporting.



Report from the national association for research and therapy of homosexuality

Is there such a gay gene?

Definately not, there is no such thing that the gays inherit the gene from his parents . we can categorise the gays in two specific groups ,the first groups of gays are ppl who were born naturally having some characteristics of x chromosome and they are abnormal people .on the other hand, there some dudes who were born naturally perfect with fully y chromosome .But when the time goes by they tend to change themselve. Is just because they want to live their life that way.And again it is not something to do wit the gene .They choice their life to be that way ,maybe because they can get some decent benefit out from that. OR perharp they are finding difficulties for dating wit women .Therefore it's much easier to become female then being male which they can't even touch the female body.
JUST A SUGGESTION
CHEER !

hey guys, did u know that all males at one stage of their growth in their mothers womb, they were all female. All embryos are female. later on, the release of the Hormone called the testetorone determines that the baby is going to be a male. if not, then it continues to be a female. so, it make sense now, at one satge of our growth, we were female so if some male are more of female behaviuor, thats not a suprise or vice versa.....!!!

ooooh, so thats why i have a line that runs across my ball-sacks...and that explains my nipples

thats explains that you are one of the few homos!!

mi ting se yumi faenem ol na phuckum ol hol sed blong olgata fes taem ..
hem gud fala ..

U r full of sh!t ... if u were gay wot would u think uv sam1 who sez sh!t of u like dat?

Anonymous....did you read my comment on those lousy humans? You should read it again na shut the hell up ...they are the main culprit who are increasing the AIDS rate in the world today.Am living in the city where there are punches of them usually lure themselve in the bars and pursuadinn any one they may come around ...askin sex to them
that's insane ..

Gays r humans like us ... people r afraid of them b-coz of the sh!t 2 do with wiv sodomizing whatever ... Heck! dont guys sodomize girls, whatever? It is a sin in the bible but there has to b room 4 compromise for 'em! Ay?

so you know the entire gay community and have the authority to call them "lousy", there are lousy people all around you in every race, maybe you should take a look in the mirror, see your reflection - yes that would be one "lousy" person for making such a comment.

as for aids, unprotected sex is how this disease is spread, so mate if you are going to use it make sure you cover it...

and as for finding them and screwing them, doesn't that make u gay as well..
gay is probably the wrong word for you, more like SAD.

Oh! IC...you're a gay as well, sorry for insulting you ..
I shouldn't make such remark if I would have known that there are some of them in this board ..so now you can give more explaination about how you folks feel .Especially when someone is trying to abuse you verbally or physically...do you folks have the same emotional feelin as female.

Oh! IC...you're a gay as well, sorry for insulting you ..
I shouldn't make such remark if I would have known that there are some of them in this board ..so now you can give more explaination about how you folks feel .Especially when someone is trying to abuse you verbally or physically...do you folks have the same emotional feelin as female.

No u donkey f-er...they have the same emotions as ur rabid dog f-in' self ... BIATCH!

damn..how low can this board go...i mean. .. calling each other "gay"...man thats low... i thought we were abit more civilized than that...so what if someones gay...this is no longer 1905...

Totally agreed with you ..anonymous ...if someone tend to be gay, let it be ..there is nothing we can do with such dramatic change in the globe today..it's a natural phenomena ..

be lukaot nomo long place blong sidsid ..hemia i nogud nao ..lol

Ating u laek likim ples ia! Gays r the same as us ... rectification - The bible only states that gays r not allowed to sodomize each other ... There is no verse in there that discriminates DIRECTLY against the existence and status of gay people in this world!!!!

well, then john frum you should make empirical statement, state the verse in the Bible which talks about Gays . I would like to read that as well.In the begining does God said to Adam your offsprings will be like eve someday? where exactly in the Bible does it stated ..Eve was created out from the portion of man .This indicate that man must always maintain he's states not to be like woman .It's women who suppose to be like man ...on the other hand,woman was form for the purpose of reproducing ...when God said to Adam and Eve be fruitful and multiply over the face of this earth...not to become gays and lesbians useless unproductive.

Ur point seems aimless ... u r bending the interpretation of that biblical quote to suit ur own opinion about homos ... State 1 quote in the bible that STATES that homosexuals r lower than other human beings ... u narrow-minded fool!!!!!!!!

you're jumping all over the place ..lose cat ....the bible is the only prove for that controversional issue ..am not saying that gays should be regard as lower being than other sect of human being .But, what am trying to explain here is gays are human and there is no argument about that.As a matter fact,am doubt about your statement that the bible talks about gays ..which is completely out from the context of the bible. Gays should be given right but under certain limit ..we should regard them as abnormal people especially those who indulge in some unpleasant activites .. otherwise they are human they like you and I ...

As long as they dont check me out im alrite if 1 hits on me ill f%^& him up! All u gays only hit on each other u try go 4 a straight guy u jes end up pissing them off and losing future base ... what u do to each other should not concern us... sodomize, blow urselves off! it should be none of our business!

The points raised so far has been somewhat lacking in rational interlectual input into the above question. Mr/s Anonymous responce comes across as very medieval.
If your so called God created man in his image, then maybe your god might be a bi-sexual one or even a homosexual one. May be you guys need a new god.....

Everybody who had say in this issue should buy false coks..especially the anonymous cok fighter!

U faetem bolbol blo u 10 taem ... Afta u lukaotem wan donki blo bendem yu