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Hello,
I was just thinking that it would be nice to have photos of the aircraft that I have in my collection. I was also thinking that others might feel the same. So, why not set up some sort of co-operative where we can swap photos? We are spread all over the world (I live in Japan right now) and so we could, potentially, cover a lot of airplanes in a lot of places. I'm curious to know what you folks think. Please, let me know.
Colin Saunders
Posted on Jan 16, 2000, 1:40 AM from IP address 202.213.151.199
Photopoint.com a great place for photo albums FREE!
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Go to Photopoint.com
There you Register and LOG ON, and create albums of pictures and "manage" the images(crop,flip,enlarge etc.). Then you can link other collectors who can view ONLY the pictures.
I will eventually get some airplane model pictures on albums but for now I'm working on images I take at the local airport.
Here's the url so you get afeel for the albums.
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=131062&a=1324045
-Eduardo
Posted on Jan 16, 2000, 7:10 AM from IP address 209.91.200.180
Perhaps the best looking jet ever produced was the Caravelle. It would make a great addition to the Gemini nostalgic collection. Any chance of it being produced?
Posted on Jan 15, 2000, 7:25 AM from IP address 24.31.69.52
A fine airliner indeed. The chance of seeing it in the near future? Because of commitments for the coming year, it won't be possible. However, in the years to come, the Caravellr and Comet will more than likely find a home with GJ.
Posted on Jan 15, 2000, 9:56 PM from IP address 208.147.127.135
I am from South Africa and really enjoying your models.
Is the MD-11 coming out soon? Swissair & Sabena being favourite MD-11 customers. The actual aircraft are so often seen here and worldwide it would be great to have them in a collection.
regards
Stephan-Claude
Johannesburg 15 Jan'00
Posted on Jan 15, 2000, 1:45 AM from IP address 196.2.45.139
hi,
has anyone information about the arrival of the
dc 10? i hope gemini does it next, althoug the md 80 and the 767 would also be nice.
january seems to be a boring month - gemini should use its chance as long as dragon does 737 and 747 every and every week!
ah got the 747 BOAC today, absolutely fantastic!
Posted on Jan 14, 2000, 11:19 AM from IP address 195.62.112.243
A PIA- Pakistan Int. Airways B707 would be great! This airline flew the B707 as well as the B720 in great dark green retro design. Would be cool to see it in GJ product
Posted on Jan 14, 2000, 9:27 AM from IP address 196.34.250.5
I would love to see the MEA.It had a very nice livery.I would like to see MEA 's first livery of the 707 with chrome belly. Gemini 3,do you still have plans for this model?
Posted on Jan 14, 2000, 1:12 PM from IP address 209.5.18.248
I would love to see them in ANY livery, preferably in the first livery! I see them parked in a hangar in the early 90s livery at Beirut airport waiting for customers. Great planes indeed!
Posted on Jan 14, 2000, 3:29 PM from IP address 195.89.3.250
Come on and bring us these great L1011 in their delivery schemes soon as additional editions of your great "retro jets" series:
* L1011-1 of All Nippon
* L1011-1 of Air Canada
* L1011-1 of Court Line (pink)
* L1011-1 of LTU
* L1011-1 of British Airways
* L1011-1 of Trans World
* L1011-100 of Cathay Pacific
* L1011-200 of Gulf Air
* L1011-200 of Saudia
* L1011-500 of British Airways
* L1011-500 of Air Canada
* L1011-500 of Saudi Royal Flight
* L1011-500 of TAP Air Portugal
Harry
Posted on Jan 14, 2000, 9:10 AM from IP address 205.188.193.49
Has anyone noticed, or do I have early editions that there are a couple of inaccuracies with the BA World Tails 747-400s.
Whilst I think they are superb and cannot wait for further releases on the models I have the country the tail represented is printed on the fuselage roof just forward of doors 5L & R. For example on the South African model, G-BNLO is says 'Southern Africa'. On the real thing this writing is not there. This also applies to a couple of the other BA 747 models in the range.
Furthermore, along the upper deck windows where the red Speedmarque sweeps along, on the real ones there is a grey shadow which is not on the GJ models. With such detail on the models I am surprised this has been missed out.
Any more BA models are welcomed; I work at T4 LHR and see them all every day!
Any comments welcome from you guys Stateside or collector colleagues in the UK.
Matt, SW London,UK 13Jan
Posted on Jan 13, 2000, 12:26 PM from IP address 195.8.77.148
Matt, I'm a keen observer too and living in Johannesburg, South Africa, I'm lucky to see only the "big ones" of the major airlines of the world. I noticed this "omission" regarding the grey shadow underneath the ribbon as well as that the BA aircraft do not carry the name of the country's design but they do carry the name of the design ie.Waves of the City; English Rose etc. By the way, what happened to the aircraft's original names- City of London, Manchester etc. and what of the apparent rumour that BA are set to drop the World Tails designs for the Chatham Historic Dockyard design only?
Posted on Jan 13, 2000, 1:18 PM from IP address 196.34.250.5
The name of the country, where the artist of the art-theme comes from, is written on the newer BA World-image liveries (even on 747). So this is not wrong at all, cause some have and the in the beginning of the new BA-scheme have not.
On the other way BA wants GJ (and Herpa in 500 scale too) to print these country-names on every model.
But some little mistake happend GJ: It has to be 'South Africa' and not 'Southern Africa', but nobody is perfect!
Posted on Jan 13, 2000, 1:30 PM from IP address 194.8.195.47
We all know that the aircraft is named "South Africa", however on the order from British Airways to Gemini Jets, they clearly stated they wanted "Southern Africa" printed on the aircraft. I wouldn't fault Gemini Jets for following the instructions of their airline customers!
Posted on Jan 14, 2000, 12:59 AM from IP address 206.98.114.59
Sorry to tell you this, but BA announced at least 6 months ago that they were going to phase out the world tails over a number of years and replace them with the "Union Tail".
I think this is sad as I thought as strange as some of these tail decorations were, they certainly beat "EuroWhite" seven ways to Sunday.
Best - Joe
Posted on Jan 13, 2000, 3:38 PM from IP address 152.163.197.83
Points well taken, Matt. As part of the licensing agreement between BA and GeminiJets, Gemini is required to use artwork supplied by BA, which includes the country names. While the actual aircraft may differ slighly, Gemini has to follow the instructions of the BA licensing department.
Chuck
Posted on Jan 13, 2000, 4:11 PM from IP address 207.235.94.205
I followed a lead in the forum to Skyjets400.com. Can anyone tell me why Skyjets have issued a chrome Corsair 747SP? I am just surprised that's all. Can't imagine wanting one though, anyone here agree?
Posted on Jan 13, 2000, 8:55 AM from IP address 196.34.250.5
From what I understand, you would be extremely lucky to get your hands on one of these babies! I read some time ago that Skyjets was to issue a mere three (yes 3!) of these via means of a lottery which was conducted before Christmas. That's what I remember about those, correct me if I'm wrong.
Posted on Jan 13, 2000, 10:35 AM from IP address 209.20.2.40
Well, i guess i'll explain it once again.
The Chrome model is a fantasy, the actual plane never flew in thchrome scheme, it would have been neat though. Anyhow, we had Gemini Jets make three Chrome Corsair's so we would give them away in three lucky draws to three of our lucky clients. The second drawing for this rare model will take place on January 31st. For details on how you can possibly win one of these beauties please see our front page at www.skyjets400.com
Scroll down below the picture of the Corsair chrome and you can read the rules for giveaway #2 and #3.
Thanks,
SkyJets400
Posted on Jan 13, 2000, 6:42 PM from IP address 209.110.245.196
I've been known to dabble in die-cast cars also, and got pretty turned off when all of the brands started issueing "chrome this" and "gold that" cars. To me, they are pure fantasy and not interesting in the least from a collecting standpoint.
However, unlike the cars that are mass produced, the chrome Corsair SP may very well be "valuable" someday.
Posted on Jan 13, 2000, 11:40 AM from IP address 209.224.157.33
I just wanted to say that I am very appreciative that Chuck Corway and Gordon Werner take time to answer so many of our questions. They are always providing useful and interesting information for us collectors and aviation enthusiasts. They are never impatient and never ridicule or make sarcastic comments about what we write.
Many others also contribute a lot to this forum (including G3 of course)and they have my thanks as well, but I think these guys deserve some special recognition. How do you guys know so much about Gemini's operations, plans, etc.?
Posted on Jan 13, 2000, 12:56 AM from IP address 169.237.61.93
First of all, let me say that I do not work for GeminiJets. I have worked in the hobby industry (though in model rocketry -- and that was over 10 years ago) and I'm a mechanical design drafter by trade, so I'm quite familiar with the die-casting manufacturing process (Designed a couple of die tools as a drafting project -- it ain't easy!).
I have visited the Gemini/ADI offices in Las Vegas a couple of times and have seen some future products and projects I'm not at liberty to discuss right now, for obvious competitive reasons. Believe me, Gemini is listening to us collectors and will be bringing us some nice surprises in the near future.
Chuck
Posted on Jan 13, 2000, 8:41 AM from IP address 207.235.94.167
Although most of my posts lean toward the sarcastic or humorous side, with an occasionally often subjective slip up, I too find these guys posts very informative. They are certainly "on top" of things from an "outside insiders" point of view, and that is just what the hobby needs.
We need both conversationalists and informists (are those words?) with an objective edge, and they pretty much cover it.
Gig'Em Chuck and thanks Gordon!
Posted on Jan 13, 2000, 11:53 AM from IP address 209.224.157.33
Just to let you guys know that the TWA, Eastern, Royal Jordanian L1011's + the BOAC 747 are ready for immediate shipping.
All pre orders were shipped on Wed. 1/11/00
Come visit us at SkyJets400.c0m
Enjoy
Posted on Jan 12, 2000, 7:56 PM from IP address 209.110.242.12
I apologize in advance if this question has been asked/worn out before but I'm new to GJ and the forum. Is there any interest in (or would GJ even consider it within their charter to produce) military jets like the C-5A, C-141, C-17, B-52, KC-135, etc.
Thanks,
Dave
Posted on Jan 12, 2000, 2:13 PM from IP address 199.46.198.230
Dave ... besides the obvious military versions of commercial airliners like the 757, DC9 et al, I do not think that Gemini JEts (at least at this time) would be willing to make the large financial investment that these aircraft would entail ... sepecially since there is a limited number of "color schemes" that these aircraft would wear.
Now as to whether or not I would buy them if they were made ... well sure. Military jets (passenger and cargo are often seen at commercial airports around the world ... the C5 always travels with Air Force One for instance ... so it would be a nice addition to the 1:400 fleet.
Maybe we could find a company that currently makes military jets in otehr scales and convince them to partner up with Gemini JEts ($$-wise) to make these models a reality. (here's hoping that the Boeing MD17 gets off the ground ... then we will have more potential color schemes for this fantastic (in my opinion) looking cargo aircraft.)
Gordon
Posted on Jan 12, 2000, 6:53 PM from IP address 207.202.175.198
The lastest I heard from Boeing is that the MD17 is off the shelves. No interested buyers at this time, the plane is way too costly. Boeing is trying to get the cost down to hopefully bring in buyers like FedEx and UPS. I would love to see a MD17 in FedEx colors. Would love to see a 1:400 scale C-17/MD-17.
Posted on Jan 12, 2000, 7:03 PM from IP address 216.89.170.81
It seems to me that Gemini could produce the KC-135 and the KC-10 since it has the 707 mold and someday (hopefully soon) will have the DC-10 mold. Would these molds not suffice, or are there extra complications I'm not aware of?
I too would love to see these military jets.
Posted on Jan 12, 2000, 7:18 PM from IP address 169.237.61.93
KC-135 is a totally different animal from the 707. Some of the noticeable differences:
* Narrower fuselage width -- 144" on the KC-135 vs 148" on the 707. At 1/400 scale it is relatively insignificant -- roughly a coat of paint. The fuselage on the KC-135 is not only shorter, but does not have the distinctive 'crease beam' of the 707 and other Boeing commercial narrowbodies.
* Refueling hardware -- present in one form or another in every KC-135 built. All tanker KC-135s later added a refueling area floodlight in a short probe extending from the trailing edge of the tail.
* KC-135 uses the wing of the 707-100, though the KC-135E and -R models use the horizontal stabilizer cannibalized from retired 707s.
* Not to mention the engines... J57 water wagon turbojets, -Es with JT3Ds, and -Rs with CFM56s.
* KC-10 adds refueling hardware to the tail end.
* The initial deliveries of the E-4A did not have the distinctive SATCOM hump antenna of the -B model; all the early E-4A models were converted to E-4Bs.
With the KC-135 and KC-10, there are very few color schemes available; you'd wind up doing re-releases with slightly different markings. It really wouldn'nt be very cost-effective for Gemini to invest the money into a mould that would have limited collectible appeal. Should they decide to do it, more power to 'em.
Chuck
Posted on Jan 12, 2000, 8:34 PM from IP address 207.235.94.237
If someone produced the basic KC-135A, there could be a whole cottage industry of resin radomes, cheeks, antennae, fairings & whatnot for all the different C/KC/EC/RC and other airframes.
Cost-effective? Profitable? No, but lots of fun!
Peter
Posted on Jan 13, 2000, 5:29 AM from IP address 140.186.40.174
Thanks for the info Gordon. I certainly can understand the financial restrictions. One possible solution would be to consider making more than 2500 of a certain model since the paint schemes are limited. I certainly think some business could be drummed up among non-collectors through the military exchange system, air museums, etc. This would of course reduce the collector value for hard core collectors. Any idea what the profitable production breakpoint is for a mold? Thanks again,
Dave
Posted on Jan 13, 2000, 4:20 AM from IP address 199.46.198.230
Recently reported in a British magazine was that apparently, BA have cited that the "World Tails"
color sheme has been unsuccesful regarding marketing and "product identification" and that due to public demand, the designs will be phased out and the BA fleet will carry the "Chatham Historic Dockyard" stylised Union Jack. This change will certainly make all the GJ BA models that carry the World Tails designs very rare and very valuable indeed! Anyone have any comment?
Posted on Jan 12, 2000, 7:54 AM from IP address 196.34.250.5
Whether BA discontinues use of their " World Tails " or not, what relevance would this have to model availability? According to GJ, a maximum of 2500 pcs of each model are made. Based on this, the scarcest Gemini available is the Braniff Big Orange @ 500pcs! If Herpa, Gemini or Dragon Wings decided at some point in the future to release another 2500, 5000 or 10000 pcs. of " World Tails " who would stop them? If your observations are accurate, what will be scarce are the real planes...too bad! Just my thoughts.
Posted on Jan 12, 2000, 9:08 AM from IP address 209.20.2.178
In response to your comments, 4 of the "World Tails" GJ models are sold out, according to the database list. According to GJ, the models are limited to 2500. Am I to understand that GJ will manufacture more of the same, or will these remain for posterity etc.?. BA is an exsisting airline and a color / identity change within the same decade is of great interest to airline enthusiasts. We are discussing GJ aircraft anyway, who cares what other manufacturers do. GJ are undoubtedly the best in their class. Collectability is guaranteed.
Posted on Jan 12, 2000, 1:18 PM from IP address 196.34.250.5
I see your point now! If you're only concerned with GJ, then YES there is no concern here. As far as availabilty goes, ONLY the Hong Kong Tail is difficult to procure...try the various retailers! If you want to track down the most difficult GJs, these would be Japan Gov't & other exclusives, especially the Hong Kong Tail with Hong Kong Release (1000 pcs.)
Posted on Jan 12, 2000, 2:09 PM from IP address 209.20.7.162
Gemini Jets' agreement with British Airways is that they cannot make any of these models "limited editions" like the rest of Gemini Jets' product line.
They do have a loophole however ...
What Gemini Jets is doing to get around this restriction is this. They will only make 2500 copies of each model. Instead of re-releasing it (making another production run) they are going to release 2500 of a different tail. This will allow them to make an unlimited number of models and yet still limit the production to their 2500 limit.
It is a possibility that we might see the same tail designs again, but they will be on different aircraft types ... i.e. a Hong Kong Boeing 767 or 757 ...
So in regards to the model's values increasing ... I guess you could say yes ... there will be no more models of each release, released so those that you own will increase in value. By Gemini continuing to produce these color-tails after the 1:1 scale version ends will also help drive up their value. Whether this increase in value is of a personal value or a monentary value is anyone's guess ...
but you can be sure that we won't see any duplicate aircraft/tail-scheme models produced.
Posted on Jan 12, 2000, 6:59 PM from IP address 207.202.175.198
Really thanks GeminiJets. The Evergreen will be the great release for those who cannot afford to buy Herpa 1:500 Evergreen. This is the second time for GerminiJets to let the sky-high-price model more popular (after the Saudia 707). I really wish can see the 3rd time, 4th time...of this that can let all collectors able to get this amazing models at their home. By heartly, THANK YOU GERMINIJETS!!!
Posted on Jan 12, 2000, 7:47 AM from IP address 203.80.87.154
To all collectors,
I agree with all of you on your requests but I think that it would be awesome to get an Air Canada L-1011-100 in the 1970's scheme with the black nose or even a 747-100. I was extatic when they announced the CP Air 747-200 and I think an Air Canada model would look great next to it when it is relaesed. Also I think a Wardair 747 would be nice to see or even the 707.
cdnplaneguy
Posted on Jan 11, 2000, 6:40 PM from IP address 209.148.189.99
Hmmm, a CP-Air DC10 and someday a 727 would be fantastic. Wardair,well with the new DC10's in the pipeline soon I can only wish for a 747, DC10 and 707. Air Canada, the possibilites are big there. I agree with most that the white Euro schem is boring. However and old colors 747 and L1011 would be a great addition and I am sure very popular. Here's hoping.
Posted on Jan 11, 2000, 11:23 PM from IP address 209.142.4.174
Just got off of Brinkley Chan's web site. He has the Qantas 747 OC, BA 757, and Eastern 757. The Qantas and BA are very nice. But, the Eastern is exceptional. Period!
Posted on Jan 11, 2000, 10:01 AM from IP address 216.120.49.221
The way things are going it will be years before I ever get my hands on one of these. Gemini, I'm just curious to know why these models are available so much earlier overseas than in the U.S. I'm still waiting for my TWA, Eastern and Royal Jordanian L-1011s!! The Airplane Superstore told me that these are being delayed yet again and that the soonest they will get them is this Friday (They were supposed to be in yesterday.).
Sorry to sound impatient. I just love these planes too much and am tired of waiting. Thanks.
Posted on Jan 11, 2000, 11:22 AM from IP address 169.237.61.93
To amplify Gordon's point... that should read a SLOW boat from China to the US. Not to mention the time it spends at the customs broker when it arrives at the US port of entry and finally ground shipping to Las Vegas for eventual distribution to dealers.
Chuck
Posted on Jan 11, 2000, 1:27 PM from IP address 207.235.94.141
Thanks for your replies, but don't the Europeans get their models before we do as well? Wouldn't it take at least as long to ship them from China to Europe as to the U.S.?
Posted on Jan 11, 2000, 3:52 PM from IP address 169.237.61.93
IMO if collectors would take a chill pill then there wouldn't be an issue of when they arrive.
The reasons why the US get their models last is elementary:
Models going to Europe are shipped by air since sea ship is out of the question as it would be a 6 - 8 week journey at the least (then they would be pissin' and moanin' about being last). Models going to the US go by sea since that is much cheaper for EVERYBODY (have you seen the retail price of GJs in Europe?) Cost to airship GJs to the US is about $1.50 a model - surface is about 25 cents. The market is very competitive right now so this cost cannot be passed on the collectors which means the retailers eat it. With low profit margins this really isn't viable for everybody (unless they are in it for charity's sake like some we now of.)
The collectors in HK (and other near areas of Asia) naturally benenfit from being so close to the production site and also cheaper prices.
Any questions?
Posted on Jan 12, 2000, 12:10 AM from IP address 207.205.168.112
I don't know about the rest of you, but seeing these models released in Asia and then getting to see photos of them only makes me want them and appreciate them even more when I get them a month or so later.
Gordon
Posted on Jan 12, 2000, 7:01 PM from IP address 207.202.175.198
I think the most totally cool item for GJ to manufacture would be the Jet airplane that started it all- The Comet! The original BOAC "Overseas" colors are so retro it just makes you wanna spit!. What do you guys think, or one only for serious collectors?
Posted on Jan 11, 2000, 9:47 AM from IP address 196.34.250.5
GJ and Dragon will NOT be manufacturing classic jets (excluding the 707 and possibly the DC8) that will or are already modeled by AEROCLASSICS.
I'm not trying to sound mean, it's just that there is no cause for them from another manufacturer if it's already modeled by one!!
~Nick
Posted on Jan 11, 2000, 12:37 PM from IP address 205.188.195.43
You got the point. Nick just did not realise it, unfortunately. While the specific classic airliner you were talking about - the Comet - might not be among the "possible GJ future releases", there is no reasonable basis to say they would not ever produce a model already amde by the competition. Useless to say that.
Daniel
Posted on Jan 13, 2000, 9:36 AM from IP address 205.188.197.43
Yesterday when I went to Aviation Centre Hong Kong. I saw a Cathay Pacific B707, EL AL B707, Lufthansa B707 and Continental B707. Does anyone knows their date of release? Thanks.
Posted on Jan 10, 2000, 5:14 PM from IP address 202.45.84.28
Boeing 747-236 "Benyhone"
Boeing 747-236 "Chelsea"
Boeing 747-236 "Blomsterang"
Boeing 747-236 "Blue Poole"
(Maybe as -236 follow up to the -436 Utopia models?) If not, then more -436's:
Boeing 747-436 "Wunala Dreaming"
Boeing 747-436 "Botswana"(Animals and Trees)
Boeing 757-200 "British" 70's/80's
Boeing 757-200 "Water Dreaming"
Boeing 757-200 "Olympic" <<<A DEFINATE MUST!!
Boeing 767-300ER "Chatham Dockyard"/"Union Flag"
Boeing 767-300ER "Celtic"
Boeing 767-300ER "Wings"/"Vinger"
When the BA/Landor dispute is over... (hopefully soon!:)
Last night I went to the airport to get a look at the only B777 that comes to Puerto Rico(SJU). I missed it coming in (it comes EMPTY from Grand Cayman Islands) but when I saw it where the American planes usually are I was very impressed! A BEAUTIFUL airplane in the beautiful n/c's of British Airways. I later researched the tail art and it was the Celtic Art "Colum" or Dove. Couldn't take pictures in the darkness (it taxied off at 11:48pm SHARP) but I could actually see the illuminated insides with my binoculars! I was surprised by the sound of the engines! It taxied quickly and hardly stopped at the top of the runway.It built up speed quickly, and rotated majestically with almost half the runway left, as it started its journey across the Atlantic to London's Gatwick Airport. I love the BA old colors, and I also find the new colors stunning! These many colorful "World Images" tails are an airplane lover's DREAM!!
-Eduardo
Posted on Jan 10, 2000, 5:56 PM from IP address 209.91.201.102
G-VIIP was the first British Airways 777 that came to San Juan. Sisterships G-VIIO "Chelsea Rose" and G-VIIR "Benyhone" are also assigned to Puerto Rico and the caribbean. Sadly British Airways will stop service to San Juan on March 12 after more than 10 years of service to the island.The reason is that B.A. will add more flights to Cuba.
But B.A. 777 are not the only 777 seen on Puerto Rico. The first 777 to land in SJU was a United 777 who diverted to PR on a flight from Brazil to Miami. The reason was a sick passenger. This flight came 2 years ago about 2AM.
Also American Airlines brought the 777 on a demo tour to the San Juan Hub. Later it came again for the inaguration of the new "bridge" that connects RWY 8 and RWY 10.
If you need photos of those airplanes, I will be very glad to help you.
Posted on Jan 10, 2000, 6:32 PM from IP address 196.28.55.127
Thanks for the info! I thought no other 777 had been here but I guess the only regularly scheduled flight of 777 into SJU was the BA 777. Too bad they are stopping service. CUBA! Oh MY!
Are you in Puerto Rico? Is there anyway to get information of which planes are supposed torrive and at what times to a particular airport in the internet? Everytime I'm taking pictures at the airport AS SOON AS I LEAVE an "interesting " plane lands! Last Sunday as I was going under the bridge , leaving , a Northwest DC-10 roared down on the runway! Finally got some pics of the AA B757-200 RETRO. Like the ATA and TWA n/c 757's better to tell you the truth! I'll place a link here to the photopoint albums when I get them ready!
It was a challenge. The Retro apparently comes from a non US city. It lands in "the other" runway, when i saw it NOT taking he last left turn I almost panicked! It's never with the rest of the AA birds!
Again thx, by the way I thought one of the runways was numbered 11! Which is the old(longer) and the new (shorter)?
Thx in advance!
-Eduardo
Posted on Jan 11, 2000, 2:27 PM from IP address 209.91.200.101
Also British Asia Airways Boeing 747-400 in the old BA classic color, "City of Perth" or "City of St David" will be great ! What do you think Mr. Littlefield ? :)
Posted on Jan 10, 2000, 8:24 PM from IP address 207.154.71.73
Chuck, please enlighten me regarding the BA Landor scheme. What dispute is taking place regarding the scheme? Before the most recent scheme changed to the "world tails " scheme, BA had a similar scheme in place, the stylised "Union jack" on the tail was in red, where the new Landor scheme was in blue, and in blue where the Landor scheme was in red. The dark blue on the lower fuselage was broad and came up to almost underneath the windows and all the aircraft carried the BOAC "speedbird" logo just aft of the cockpit windows. The new Landor design inverted the colors on the tail, added a crest of arms, the inscription read " to fly, to serve" and narrowed the blue underbelly; also the color changed to the dark, corporate navy blue.
Posted on Jan 12, 2000, 7:47 AM from IP address 196.34.250.5
From the best of my knowledge the dispute is over the Utopia images being such a sudden change from the Landor scheme. (This, I am not sure on, maybe you should ask Gordon Werner.)
As for when it will be over, (hopefully soon if I have anything to do with it!) an end is NOT in sight... DAMN! ...erm, pardon my French! :o)
~Nick
Posted on Jan 13, 2000, 10:34 AM from IP address 205.188.195.28
I think I would like to see Gemini or Dragon tackle the Caravelle. AeroClassics needs vast improvement to substantiate the high price they charge for such a crude model. But yes Sissair Caravelle is a good choice.
Posted on Jan 10, 2000, 8:29 PM from IP address 209.244.208.174
Aeroclassics will make the Caravelle only because Gemini-Jets and Dragonwings will not.
AeroClassics are made in extremely limited numbers, and are hand made. These are proudly produced to enhance the serious collectors 1/400 collections.
"Crude"? I don't think so! "Over priced"? Definitely not!
Posted on Jan 10, 2000, 10:00 PM from IP address 206.98.114.73
I'm no expert on the field, but from what I've seen so far, especially the AA model, am not impressed with the quality... Maybe they'll get better in future releases. I DO think they are a bit over-priced...
Posted on Jan 11, 2000, 8:09 AM from IP address 216.200.84.179
Thank you for your views on the Aeroclassics George. I have both VC.10s-BOAC and British Caledonian. At $45 each I was rather disappointed with the fit of the horizontal stabilizer to the tail (big gap enough to see through), paint was rather rough and dull on the white upper fuselage portion, the wings...even had dust particles imbedded in the paint, overall cheatlines were rough in finish and dull looking, and slightly sagging down at the center almost like a curved cheatline on my BOAC. Because it's a limited run and my favorite aircraft, I won't part with it.
As a result I didn't order their AA BAC 1-11 which I would love to have. But the VC.10 was my all time favorite so I got both of these.
Don't get me wrong, Aeroclassics does have potentials, and I do like their equipment choices. I will buy them again in the future once they iron out these flaws. If they had the same paint finish as Gemini or Dragon, I would be glad to pay that price. I can live a few flaws.
Posted on Jan 11, 2000, 4:04 PM from IP address 209.244.212.101
Sorry Andrew, but I am in total agreement with the poeple here. These models are not up to snuff as far as finish and quality compared to herpa or Gemini....and wayyyy to expensive. The models I like the best so far are the DC-8s.
I will not be able to buy too many of these items. Sorry, but the truth can hurt.
Posted on Jan 11, 2000, 4:51 PM from IP address 208.25.126.66
First off, I would like to say..I love these Aeroclassic beauties ! Yes, they are a little rough around the edges, but in time, I'am sure Andrew will iron these details out, provided that there is enough support amongst the collecting community. I plan to buy as many as I can afford, I already have 4 other VC-10s on order.
As too the price of these models, on the face of it they do appear rather high, but considering that only 400 are produced, and there will be no more, after that particular model has sold out, almost guarentees that this will be a sought after, and prized collectable one day.
I have met Mr. Klien, and I belive that he is sincere, in giving the collector, the aircraft styles,and the liveries that we have been begging for. Most our pleas have gone un-answered, save for a few British model makers, who often ask outrageous prices for their medicore
1/200 offerings. So I thank Andrew for giving me the oppertunity to buy a Braniff BAC-111 in its original delivrey scheme (and soon in 4 pastel colors), or the soon to be released Nigeria VC-10 ect... Although I'am not certain what other model makes have planned, I'am almost certain we will not see a DC-6, Vickers Viscount, F27, and so on from the big boys, and this is exactly where Aeroclassics fills in that niche.
Again thanks Andrew, I know that yor models will only get better over time.
Thomas
Posted on Jan 13, 2000, 7:39 PM from IP address 209.144.227.77
I like my B. Cal VC-10. As of yet I only own this one model from Aeroclassics, but based on what I've seen, I plan to buy another couple VC-10s and some DC-6s too. Never cared for the BAC 1-11 though.
I would love to see Aeroclassics or Gemini or whoever make the Comet, Caravelle, and some Russian jets.
Posted on Jan 13, 2000, 8:03 PM from IP address 169.237.61.93
Comet, Caravelle, and some Russian aircraft, (probably) will follow the Viscount, Vanguard, F-27, Electra, and Connie which are currently in the works. Probably!
Posted on Jan 14, 2000, 12:54 AM from IP address 206.98.114.59
while I realize that this airliner was never a success (it predate the regional jet revolution by decades) I would really like AeroClassics (since they can effectively manufacture this model in such limited quantities) to make a model of the Fokker-VFW 614 ...
For those that do not know what this aircraft is, it was a German / Dutch collaborative effort to create a 40 passenger or so regional jetliner. Its unique features were that it was very low to the ground, allowing it to use almost any airport that can handle propliners and it had its turbofans in nacelles positioned above the wings.
I know that Air Alsace, Cimber and the Luftwaffe (+ house colors) operated this aircraft which if produced in limited quantities would be a cool model to have)
Anyone else has KLM 767-300 at the top of his wishlist? Gemini is going to release Boeing 767-300 model soon, so why not make KLM the first model. But anyway, I feel it is going to be one of the US airlines rather than a European airline. Remember Gemini, a lot of your collectors would love to see European airlines too!
Regards,
Joe N.
Posted on Jan 9, 2000, 1:40 PM from IP address 195.89.3.250
I'd like to see 1. Condor B747-200
2. Varig B 747-300
3. Varig MD 11
4. Air Mauritius A340 ( hah! )
5. Swissair MD 11
6. Iberia B747-200
7. Iberia A340
8. KLM B 767
9. BA B777
10. SAA B737-200
Well, we can all dream!
Posted on Jan 9, 2000, 12:47 PM from IP address 196.34.250.5
If you would like to see specific airline liveries, why not on those types of aircraft already existing from GJ? Of course, we all can have a long, long wish list (I would prefer the Convair 880 and 990 for next release types) but we can be a little more constructive - if looking for specific airline liveries - if we have a look on the current types.
Dan
Posted on Jan 9, 2000, 1:06 PM from IP address 152.163.201.188
yep,I'm also wishing for a Convair 880, or 990 for this year, its the only model I really would like to see, in those old Delta colors, or TWA,
these are in fact historic planes, and would be real Retro Jets !!!!!!!!!
Nobody yet has ever done any of these models, well, except for Welsh models, in 1:144 scale, plastic kit...;-)
Of course, a DC8 would also be nice :o)...
I keep on wishing............
Posted on Jan 9, 2000, 6:00 PM from IP address 212.18.172.242
Both of the above models were announced for December release, then delayed to January and now pushed to the 'future release' list. Anything happening? Does the Pan Am -500 suffer from the fact Pan Am assigned DragonWings a licence to produce any models in the company's current and previous colour scheme(s)? In this respect, what about DragonWings' announcement it would prohibit other manufacturers in the 1/400 to produce any Pan Am aircraft?
Your response would be appreciated.
Dan
Posted on Jan 9, 2000, 11:10 AM from IP address 152.163.213.58
I cannot speak for Gemini regarding the fine points of the Pan Am licensing issue, but unless Pan Am informs Gemini to 'cease and desist' the L1011-500 will more than likely be produced.
As far as the PSA L1011 there was a hitch in production which forced it to be bumped off the production line only temporarily. But it will be produced.
Chuck
Posted on Jan 9, 2000, 5:58 PM from IP address 207.235.94.230
I wish Geminijets would make the following models:
a)a 707-320C of British Caledonian
b)a 747-100/200 of Virgin Atlantic (old livery)
c)a 747-100 of Highland Express
d)747 "Air Force One" (would really compliment
Geminijets' existing 707 "Air Force One"!)
e)how about Geminijets making a VC-10 (best of
British!) or any Airbus (although other
manufacturers produce 1/400 Airbus models, none
are of the quality of Geminijets models!)
Posted on Jan 9, 2000, 9:10 AM from IP address 194.120.163.5
Do you believe your answer was necessary - if agressive or nonsense? Just accpect the suggestions and wishes he put on this forum (like we accept yours) and avoid such a useless comment.
Dan
Posted on Jan 9, 2000, 11:04 AM from IP address 152.163.213.58
1. Why should Virgin models no longer be modeled- what does this have to do with BA models?
2. A "best of British" collection would be great!This could include the first Gemini A340- Virgin of course!
3. Dragon Wings quality and finish are CRAP!
Posted on Jan 9, 2000, 12:39 PM from IP address 196.34.250.5
While Nick's observations are correct they do need a little more clarification:
1. There is no love lost between Virgin Atlantic and British Airways, even in licensing model aircraft for production. As we are told countless times from our younger days of learning to drive a car, "a license is a PRIVILEGE, not a RIGHT". It can be revoked at any time and for any reason, or for no reason at all. As long as Gemini continues to produce BA models, the two VS jets in GeminiJets early lineup will probably be the only ones we see for a long time, unless things change.
2. 'Air Force One' is not an aircraft name but a callsign used whenever the President of the United States is aboard a USAF aircraft. Gemini has already produced a 1/400 VC-137C (707-353B) in the Presidential color scheme. They may consider producing a VC-25A (747-2G4B) in the future, but this may be unlikely since Dragon Wings already produce the same model but with two different serial numbers (82-8000 and 92-9000). Gemini is considering for production the C-137C and the C-32A (757-2G4) in the standard USAF Special Air Missions color scheme. When will they be released? I have no idea, since such information is a closely guarded secret by GeminiJets.
3. Aeroclassics fills the niche market for classic airliners that won't otherwise fit in either GeminiJets or Dragon Wings production plans. The VC-10, while a beautiful aircraft, did not garner many airline orders nor was it produced in large numbers. More than likely, Aeroclassics will probably release a Super VC-10 (Andrew, what's the more correct nomenclature -- VC-10 or VC.10?) in the near future.
Chuck
Posted on Jan 9, 2000, 2:53 PM from IP address 207.235.94.230
I found it nice you were pointing out the real meaning of the "Air Force One" designation. Most of the people do not have an idea that it is only used for the Presidential aircraft when the President is aboard. If in office duties, even a Cessna 182 can become "Air Force One" - just to exaggerate the whole thing.
Furthermore, may I answer your question. The VC-10 is spelled with the dash between the letters and numbers. I think AeroClassics makes a great job by supplementing the 1/400 market with the VC-10 or the BAC 1-11. It its much better than havong a third manufacturer throwing the B747 on the market.
Best,
Daniel
Posted on Jan 9, 2000, 4:11 PM from IP address 152.163.213.64
<My wist lists are usually within the bounds of realisim, before you next make a wish list please check whether the models you want are modeled already or are unable to be done due to leagal constraints.> (I contradict myself on only one issue, WHERE THE %$@# ARE THOSE BA "LANDORS!?"
I'm just about ready to march over to Texas and
settle the BA/LAA battle myself! and it wouldn't be pretty) :0)
~Nick
Posted on Jan 10, 2000, 4:24 AM from IP address 205.188.198.37
Yet another wish list! (Let's call it food for thought)
by
I have a few ideas in mind. After seeing the 707's and L1011's, I'm very impressed. Let's keep up the good work. Here's a wish list, take it for whatever it's worth:
While your wish list appears to be quite interesting, please note that Cathay Pacific never operated the L-1011-500. The Hong Kong airline operated a large fleet in the late 1980's and 1990's containing both the L-1011-1 and L-1011-100.
Best,
Daniel
Posted on Jan 9, 2000, 7:59 AM from IP address 152.163.213.53
As a young pup I lived in Iceland and remember fondly the Loftleidur DC-8s. (As a matter of fact I have an old Shuco DC-8, not quite GJ quality) Any Icelandair/ Loftleidur planes would be awesome but I suspect I might be somewhat lonely in my desires.
Posted on Jan 12, 2000, 10:11 AM from IP address 199.46.198.230
For whatever reason, I also had a soft spot for Icelandair and/or Loftleider Icelandic. These were two different companies weren't they? Check out the latest issue of Airliner World to see Icelandair's new blue/gold livery....bee-yout-i-ful!
Posted on Jan 13, 2000, 10:31 AM from IP address 209.20.2.40
hi,
i think its about time to do a 767, that looks really fantastic in klm livery. everyone does 747-400, i just wanto see something new.
even greater: dc 10 in klm/northwest livery!!!
Posted on Jan 9, 2000, 9:19 AM from IP address 195.62.112.217
An interesting request, no doubt. Apparently KLM converted their -300 fleet to -400's after satisfactory delivery of their -400 fleet began. Although all the -400 fleet look alike, a number of these are actually -300's. Do you agree, perhaps this information is incorrect? I would be interested to know. Perhaps a model of a KLM -300 is possible after all?
Posted on Jan 9, 2000, 12:33 PM from IP address 196.34.250.5
Leo ... I was under the impression (I might be incorrect) that while externally similar the 747-300 and 747-400 are completely different animals ... different systems ... improved production methods / materials and most importantly engines ... the 747-300 has those old teeny-tiny turbofans, while the 747-400 has the smaller cousings of the giant turbofans that the 777 uses.
Gordon
Posted on Jan 9, 2000, 12:40 PM from IP address 207.202.174.226
Mr Werner, you are probably right! I may have misinterpreted this information somewhat, but I thoght it was possible to make " external" changes such as added winglets which would " upgrade" a -300 to a -400 in perhaps the same way that an 747-100 was changed to a -200 by modifying the upper deck windows from 3 to 10, it seems that no 2 747-400's are the same in this respect ie. the front row of windows are 10 but the 2nd row varies between 9 and 12, therefore if such an upgrade was carried out by KLM, how could one tell? I have seen photographs of a All Nippon B 747-400 with the winglets, designated as a b747-300 on the exterior markings. Now that is really confusing the issue...
Posted on Jan 9, 2000, 12:56 PM from IP address 196.34.250.5
The Boeing 747-300 cannot be modified to the -400 standard in any way. As Gordon already pointed out, both a completely different ships. However, if we are looking at KLM, the company converted 10 of its B747-200 aircraft to the so-called "-200(SUD)" configuration - may be you referred to this one!? The "SUD" stands for "Stretched Upper Deck" making the -200(SUD) aircraft externally similar to the -300 model. Actually, only 3 of KLM's "-300 looking" B747s are real -300 while the remaining samples are converted -200 aircraft.
Two of these -200(SUD) aircraft are now in all-freighter configuration wearing the large and attractive "Taking Thing Further" titles on fuselage giving a change to KLM's old but nevertheless nice livery.
Daniel
Posted on Jan 9, 2000, 4:22 PM from IP address 152.163.213.64
I agree! Please think seriously about taking this model. It's very hard to find at all a good looking KLM 747-400, probably because of complicated decals? Thanks alrready.
Posted on Jan 9, 2000, 12:55 PM from IP address 195.241.193.4
I just got my B707 Pan Am. I can't believe how good it is! This is the greatest model yet! I can't complain about a thing. Please continue making such great models!
Posted on Jan 8, 2000, 6:29 PM from IP address 152.163.201.194
Stefan, Gemini is doing a great job on the models, the B707 being one of the best...I have two of each, one inside the box, and another on display.
That kind of detail must be very hard to achieve, otherwise GJ had also added the antennas on the B747's wings, the 200's series I mean...
Imagine now doing that on a B707 at this scale !!!!
Please dont get me wrong, but that's my opinion...
Posted on Jan 9, 2000, 6:12 PM from IP address 212.18.172.242
I say that if you think you can do 707's better than GJ, then feel free to show us how.
Do some of you really think that the people at GJ are so ignorant that they dont realize that these models are not 100% like the real thing? I am not just talking about the 707 antennae remark but others as well.
Accuse me of beating the GJ drum, but in my 20+ years of being an airliner enthusiast I have never been so damn happy as I am now with the quality and quantity of models that I get from Gemini. Yes, I do buy other types of models and I can see the highs and lows of them all including GJ. I also have plenty of referance books to help me pick out all the little nuances of the models in my collection but I honestly have no time for that since I spend all my time APPRECIATING the models instead!
Posted on Jan 12, 2000, 12:22 AM from IP address 207.205.168.112
I read with interest the on-going debate of Gemini Jets vs. Dragon Wings on this forum. My collecting of GJs is only four strong (and my Dragon Wings fleet is limited to just two), however, I'd like to offer that Gemini Jets are of far better quality than Dragon Wings. The paint on the GJs is of much better quality, and the metal wings can't be compared to the cheap plastic of the Dragon Wings. GJ bothers to install metal landing gear while my Dragons come with plastic gear that has to be installed (if the collector so desires). The cheap boxes and super-flimsy stands that come with the Dragons don't do much for me, either.
Mind you, Gemini Jets aren't perfect. I wish they'd find a better way to attach the horizontal stabs on their models (that fuselage plug is just ugly) and the engine pods on my 747s aren't attached in any kind of a permanent manner. Also, for some reason the right rear (fuselage) landing gear on all my models is loose. That being said, I repeat that the paint is very high quality, the overall detail is wonderful and the boxes are nicely done, too. I can't say the same for the plastic-winged, poorly painted, flimsily-geared Dragon Wings' models that I stopped collecting after two.
As an aside, I don't care if others are making Airbus models, I'd like to see them from GJ. Others have made 747s, too. The fact is that GJ makes the better model and so I think most people (especially those of us brought into collecting Gemini's high-quality) want to see Airbus tackled, preferably sooner. Of course, not every Airbus operator uses a mostly-white scheme, as some have complained. I'd be interested in a US Airways A330, a Cathay Pacific A330 or A340, a Singapore A340 (while they still have them, GJ), etc. Of course, there are some nice mostly-white schemes out there, too. How about Philippines, or Garuda? Air Canada (NC)? Thai?
Finally, what is "real-metal"? I hope that what appears to be polished and clear coated metal on the CP Air 747 is, in fact, polished and clear coated metal. I hope that GJ haven't decided to use "metal" coloured paint. I note with some dread that the caption for the CP model stated that it was not fully representative of the production model. Please don't use chrome paint or some other expediency. They never look like the real thing.
Colin Saunders,
Toyota, Japan.
Posted on Jan 8, 2000, 2:45 PM from IP address 202.213.151.208
Automobile expert, yes? Airliner model collecter, hmm...
by
Appreciate your constructive criticisms concerning both manufacturers, and points are well taken, however you simply do not own enough of these models to make a fair comparison, IMO. GeminiJets are good quality models, but there is room for improvement. There are benefits to both plastic and metal. This has been discussed many times before, so I won't get into detail. I believe Dragon landing gears, for instance, provide more authenticity, plastic or not. GeminiJets window details are state of the art. (747 cockpit windows are improving.) As far as paint jobs go, get your hands on a Dragon Qantas Wunala and Singapore Tropical, before they're gone. To me, these models, hands down, are the best of '99. But then again, this is one persons opinion. I currently own 46 Dragon Wings and 17 GeminiJets. Not to mention, 199 Herpa Wings in 1/500 and a couple of 1/200 Lufthansa special editions. No, I don't ever take out a magnifying glass, but I at least consider myself a semi-expert in this hobby. And what a great one it is right now, for airliner enthusiasts!
Posted on Jan 8, 2000, 9:18 PM from IP address 209.240.200.167
I too own a huge collection of Herpa's (excess of 250), Dragons (enough to get a free model)....including the Wunalla Dreaming and Gemini (about 12 of them). I do not agree that the paint jobs (jobs being the key word here) are better on the Dragin Singapore or Wunalla. Are they spectacular? You bet. Better quality, I do not believe the quality on these models were any better than Dragons standard issues...I do have a magnifying glass by the way.
I believe the novice collector made some absolutely valid observations regardless of the number of models he owns....AND I do believe that I will take metal over plastic any day....we shall see five years from now how these plastic wings hold out.
Jim
Posted on Jan 11, 2000, 5:14 PM from IP address 208.25.126.66
The caption under the CP Air was in reference to the colors. We guarantee you, models w/ the RealMetal feature ARE polished metal and you won't be disappointed. Aside from that, the loose rear gears on our 747's are designed that way to prevent "rocking" on some of our earlier examples.
Posted on Jan 8, 2000, 9:57 PM from IP address 208.147.127.76
Collin you really need to expand your horizon a whole lot more to realize the true experience of being a real collector. You obviously have your blinders on.
Both models offer something for every collector. I collect both because each model offer something uniquely different from the other. Yes it's true both are not perfect, but because us collectors are voicing our opinion on the flaws of each these models either directly to them or through a forum like this, it force them to take corrective action to improve their models. And they do respond to our messages to them.
Dragon has significantly improved their models since their initial introduction, and alot of the corrective action did help make thier models much better than before. Overall they offer more detail(better landing gear detail and doors, engine and engine pylon detail), more options for the collector(gears up or down, and a suitable display stand that works just fine)
Gemini on the other hand is also good for a mostly all metal model. Note I said mostly, If you checked the tail rudder on the 747 which you have you will see that it too is made of plastic but devoid of some panel details when compaired to the Dragon 747 tail rudder. I also like Gemini for the quality and the different liveries that Dragon doesn't offer not because it's any better than the other. Yes they lack landing gear details and doors on most of their models i.e., all 747, no options as to having it displayed with gears up, nor even a stand, but that doen't matter. They produce a model that looks as close to the real plane with a quality that is affordable to most collectors. If you collect some of the 1/200 Jet Wings and Metal Airliner models from Collectors Aircraft Models from England at about $150-$200 a pop you will see what I mean. At that price and scale you would think you would get a better detailed metal model...wrong! Herpa's Lufthansa Modelle Edition 1/200 scale plastic model which cost a little more was by far the best in any scale and has yet to be out done by any one in any scale.
I don't even own one Scaback nor one Herpa 1/600 1/500, nor 1/250 scale metal models because they all look like toys. So if you really have been collecting for awhile you will see that both Gemini and Dragon do have something to offer for the real serious airline model collectors. But if you're into collecting boxes and brand names then you need to go into anoter hobby.
Posted on Jan 9, 2000, 9:57 AM from IP address 205.188.193.58
OK, OK, OK. So I don't have the most extensive collection on the planet. Something that doesn't seem to have been considered in the responses I am getting is that, with just a few models, Gemini has grabbed my attention. With just a couple of models, Dragon has managed to turn me off of their products. THAT, my friends, says quite a lot. Initial impressions keep you going or turn you away. Yes, I know that the tails of Gemini jets are plastic, but the difference between GJ and DW in this respect is that it's quite easy to tell that DW's wings and tails are plastic, but with the GJs you really have to look. Also, the plastic tails on the GJs I have fit like gloves, whereas the DWs are ill-fitting and have gaps. 100% of my GJs fit together well, 100% of my DWs don't. Are my numbers statistically relevant? No. Are they relevant to how I'll spend my money? You bet!
Just to relieve some of you, yesterday after I posted my observations a friend gave me a belated Christmas present: the Cathay Pacific inflight (DW) 747-200 "The Spirit of Hong Kong 97." This model is MUCH better than my other DWs (the Airbus House A330 is terrible, IMHO) and the stand it comes with actually works well. It's changed my impression of DW a bit, but I'll exhaust all the GJs before I look to DW again.
Colin Saunders.
Posted on Jan 9, 2000, 3:51 PM from IP address 202.213.151.245
Now I'll ask your opinion on (if I can get them) Dragon's Wanulu Dreaming and the Alitalia Bulgari 747. They are about the only DWs that do anything for me at the moment. I got two new GJs yesterday, the JASDF 747 and BA's "Hong Kong." I was surprised that I like the JASDF so much. I knew it'd be nice, but it's really a well done piece. There's a very fine gold cheat line below the red cheat line that I hadn't noticed in the photos. The BA is a disappointment. The paint on the bottom isn't even (it should follow the contours of the fuselage evenly on both sides, but it's skewed to one side instead) plus there's some kind of scratch or indentation in the metal (it's painted over--as part of the original paint, it's not touched up) on the left rear fuselage. The tail detail (paint) is great, though. I'm a little put off by the lower fuselage paint,and I'm leery about getting another BA in case this is a common thing (the JASDF has gray at the bottom and is as even as can be).
As an aside, my wife gave me a whole shelf in our LIVING ROOM to display my growing collection. Bless her!
Colin Saunders.
Posted on Jan 12, 2000, 12:15 AM from IP address 202.213.151.211
Go and check out the photo gallery at Jetway, it has some nice pictures.
(NOTE: The "very rare" BA 747-236B "Germany" is NOT a -236B! It is actually a -136! In the early 1980's BA had all of it's -136's given a full upper deck window complement. The only way of telling the -136's and -236B's apart now are:
1) The -136's smell musty inside:o)
2) The -136's are all retired:o)
3) No -136's appeared in the "Utopia" scheme.
4) The -236B's are powered by larger RB211-524D's, which look very similar to the RB211-524H's that are found on the 747-436's in the BA fleet.
~Nick
Posted on Jan 8, 2000, 1:55 PM from IP address 152.163.205.81
So I'm biased because I'm Greek! Olympic Airways operated the B707 until the late 80's as well as the B720! Yes, it's true! B720, I hear you ask? Now wouldn'nt that be a gem in your collection? Actually, I have flown on the B720s quite often between Athens and Cyprus, so there!
Posted on Jan 8, 2000, 12:52 PM from IP address 196.34.250.5
hi,
youre right, a 707 / 720 olympic would be nice,
i relly like the colours of this livery, the only olympic models avialable are 737, a300, 747 1:500 made by herpa.
a.
Posted on Jan 9, 2000, 3:26 AM from IP address 195.62.112.222
Herpa produces a large range of all-metal (plastic-tail) models in 1/500. The original prices range from approx. $8.20 (B737) to $13.00 (B747). The general quality of workmanship itself is good but less details, clumsy gear, less detailed printing.
Daniel
Posted on Jan 9, 2000, 11:18 AM from IP address 152.163.213.58
Had a look at the current database and noticed no Airbus aircraft models in the collection. Are none available or has Gemini not included these yet?. My suggestion for your first A340 is Lufthansa; A330 is Cathay Pacific; A300 is Air India; A320 is Cyprus Airways and A319 is Air France
Posted on Jan 8, 2000, 12:28 PM from IP address 196.34.250.5
Leo ... the reason why Gemini Jets has not made any Airbus models is because they realize, correctly, that there are plenty airframes that have been made that do not currently have representation in 1:400 scale.
Dragon Wings does a good job with their Airbus models so it would be silly to duplicate them by creating more of the same.
Gemini Jets is instead focusing on creating the 767-200 and 767-300, the 757, the DC10 and the MD80.
Eventually we will see Airbus models by Gemini Jets, but lets see more unique models before more of what we already have.
Gordon
Posted on Jan 8, 2000, 12:48 PM from IP address 207.202.172.247
As Gordon said, Dragon is doing a good job with their Airbus models ( A319,320,321,330, and the A340). But what about the A300/310? these are totaly different aircraft types and they just look great!! So, will Gemini consider to do these models, there are non on the market till now in the 1/400 scale. I'm still hoping..... Ruud.
Posted on Jan 9, 2000, 3:34 AM from IP address 194.151.64.16
I agree to your statement regarding the A300 and A310 lack. In deed, both types are completely different from the modern, "main stream" Airbus models currently produced by DragonWings and others.
In opposite to the A320 family planes as well as the A330 and A340, both the A300 and A310 are worth an evaluation for future new releases. However, the ever-present difficulty when deciding which type will come out and which will be released later, there are so many interesting types of jet aircraft for release like the DC-8, the Convair 880 and 990, the B727 or the A300 - just to name a very few!
However, I am sure Gemini will continue to serve the collectors by releasing interesting, high quality and keeping their innovation.
Daniel
Posted on Jan 9, 2000, 8:10 AM from IP address 152.163.213.53
1) How come Tower Air 747's aren't listed under the "new releases" section? (Or is it a rumor?)
2) WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO DO A BRITISH AIRWAYS "LANDOR" 747-236B???????? (Neeeeeed the Landor scheme in 1/400... <starts to druel>)
3) What is the registration on the BA 757-236 "Admiral's flag aloft" aircraft? <I have a book on BA registrations and paint schemes somewhere, but I can't be bothered to get it out!>
4) How about doing the paint scheme's of "virtual airlines" for Microsoft Flight Simulator? I know a few "VA" scheme's that would look quite nice on a GJ 1/400 jet. (I'll write a wist list below with URL's and stuff)
Wish list:
747-236B British Airways "Landor"
747-200F Seaboard World
747-200F Cathay Pacific Cargo
747-200 Aerolinias Argentinas
747-200 Avianca Colombia
747-200 Trans World Airlines
747-200 British Caledonian
707-300F Cargo Lion
707-300 Air Afrique
707-436 BOAC or British Airways
Virtual Airlines:
To find VA's go here:
www.virtualairlines.com
www.flightsim.com
www.vanf.com
www.avsim.com
www.simflight.com
www.vpmag.com
AOL users go here:
KEYWORD: Games
Then go to "Flight Sims" followed by virtual airlines.
~Nick
Posted on Jan 8, 2000, 11:49 AM from IP address 152.163.205.81
Hey Nick ... here are some answers to your questions ...
1) I believe the Tower Air model will eventually be made. CAM UK was/is irresponsible to make known publically of advance releases. I say this because it gives the competition advance warning of a potential model (which can then be rushed through production and beat gemini to market.
It also fosters ill-will with the collector who then gets angry at Gemini for delaying a model that wasn't supposed to be released until some future date. Finally, some models that Gemini Jets mentions or displays samples of are meant only to throw off the competition and are not planned for production (at least in the short term). (which will create more ill-will for those expecting it.)
2) British Airways and Landor Associates are in the middle of a law suit over their British Airways scheme. While I am not privy to the reason for this lawsuit, this means that there is an injunction against using it or its likeness while the suit is pending. Most likely Landor wants royalties from the use of their design (or something akin to that). However, this means that until the legal issues are worked out, they will not be allowed to model this color scheme.
3) if you are refering to Gemini Jets' upcoming Boeing 757 releases, here are the registrations:
Union Jack tail: G-BPEJ
Chelsea Rose tail: G-BMRD
4) personally I would not like to see any more aircraft like the AEtna 747.
Gordon
Posted on Jan 8, 2000, 5:25 PM from IP address 207.202.172.247
I love them all........the new, the old, the ugly and the beautiful.......keep producing them!
I must admit when I saw my first promotional livery (Air Canada A-320 "Raptors") I was excited. Then I saw the Alitalia B-747 "Baci." Still excited but not as much. Then I saw a Delta B-767 "Spirit of Delta", not too excited. Mind you I bought them all except AC Raptors cause nonone made it. I'm still buying these planes but I'm sick and tired of the airlines using their planes as flying billboards......It was fun at first but now its just "plane" boring.
Still waiting for Iberia here.......
Regards.......
Posted on Jan 8, 2000, 10:50 AM from IP address 216.210.35.74
I agree fully! Iberia would be cool- an A340 would just about do , although I think it's time they changed their look, been like that since at least 1970
Posted on Jan 8, 2000, 12:35 PM from IP address 196.34.250.5
Please note that the A340 is not being released by Gemini yet and not even on release schedule. This is a pretty clever decision in order to beat the competitors by producing more interesting, rare types of aircraft.
However, what about the L-1011, the B747-200 or the forthcoming B757 in Iberia's colours?
Dan
Posted on Jan 9, 2000, 8:16 AM from IP address 152.163.213.53
Dan, great choice for a 747-200 or 757 in Iberia's colors. Although, I don't think that Iberia operated the L1011. However, I do know that TAP-Air Portugal operated the L1011-500 until the early 90's. Perhaps you had this airline in mind, regarding the geographical location of Portugal and Spain?
Posted on Jan 11, 2000, 9:38 AM from IP address 196.34.250.5
Iberia operated two L-1011s a few years ago, one on lease from Aer Turas and a second on lease from Air Atlanta Iceland. The latter was painted in Iberia's full colour scheme ... this would be great for the GeminiJets L-1011 range.
Dan
Posted on Jan 14, 2000, 9:14 AM from IP address 205.188.193.49
Hey Dan,
I totally agree with you bud. Anything in Iberia colours would be great. I never saw Iberia's 1011's in person but did see pictures of them. Would love to see old "world" scheme too!
Regards...........
Posted on Jan 14, 2000, 9:45 AM from IP address 205.151.225.202
I just read in an old issue of "Airliners" that Ozark Airlines flew 4 MD 80's before they were assorbed by TWA. I think it would be a good Retro Jet MD 80 model. The latest livery would be look great. One can only dream :~)
Posted on Jan 8, 2000, 5:40 AM from IP address 38.31.85.57
I saw the new GJ AA757 retrojet today. I'm in awe; will buy one ASAP.
Now here are a few ideas I'd like to float for the GJ folks:
-Need an AA 707 circa 1961
-Need an AA L-188 Electra circa 1960
-Need a UA Caravelle circa 1964
-Need an Air France L-1649 circa 1958. This is the most beautiful airliner ever made in the nicest color scheme ever developed.
-Need a Delta Convair 880 in all white scheme circa 1959
Whatcha think out there?
Posted on Jan 7, 2000, 3:28 PM from IP address 207.69.5.133
Hey Tom, you're a nice guy & by the way, I wouldn't collect DW if I were you...massive production schedule, poor printing vis-a-vis Gemini (ask around moron!), and ALL plastic (buy a Revell kit pal). Also, just wondering from what backwoods hole you crawled from...you ain't too bright!
Posted on Jan 6, 2000, 6:17 AM from IP address 209.20.2.157
Yes, in deed, the first Court Line L-1011 (yellow) look great. Even the wings' and stabilizers' colours seems to be most accurate to the original. Will be the most interesting Gemini model so far, I am sure!
Dan
Posted on Jan 6, 2000, 7:53 AM from IP address 205.188.196.39
Yes, this is the beginning ... may be good for you but not for collectors. I do not like this development; same beginning as on the Herpa market in the early days. And today, "rare" Herpa models make $1.000 and more; that's something for "money makers" not for those collecting these models.
Dan
Posted on Jan 6, 2000, 2:45 AM from IP address 205.188.196.22
You would think there would be perfect information, but we know that even today in a world of incredible advances not everyone has ALL the information!
-Eduardo
Posted on Jan 6, 2000, 9:15 AM from IP address 209.91.197.181
Rapid increases in value will only hurt the long term value. Like with so many other "fad" items, there are always the sharks out there that try to make a quick buck and inflate the market. A feeding frenzy erupts for a couple or three years until the fad goes away or everyone gets tired of paying too much for items that weren't rare to begin with. In essence, the sharks succeed in created a false supply/demand scenario and take full advantage of it. In the end, interest is lost, the fad and demand goes away - this effects long term value.
With the GJ low production quantities, this will hopefully not be the case, but only time will tell.
Posted on Jan 6, 2000, 10:09 AM from IP address 209.224.157.33
Be assured, future Gemini releases will consider European airlines - sooner or later! Regarding European aircraft types like the A320 family and others of European airlines I must admit that I am not that much interested in seeing these all-white coloured bird on the Gemini line! I am sure the competition will have them all soon, so no priority need for new aircraft moulds. Let's enjoy PSA, Eastern, Court Line, Pan Am and any historic livery on the L-1011 and the B747 to the full. There time enough for the modern ships later.
Dan
Posted on Jan 6, 2000, 7:59 AM from IP address 205.188.196.39
While I can understand there's a market for Old Liveries, there's also a much bigger market for present-day schemes. I myself have not bought any of the old airline colors, but that's just my preference. I was a little dissapointed when GJ went with Eastern Airlines as their first 757 addition to the line; would have preferred a present-day airline (I will purchase the American Airlines 757, though). I would also like to think that the up-coming MD-80 line will include some from the present time. But, like you said, Dan, I will have to wait for a later time for those.
Posted on Jan 6, 2000, 9:21 AM from IP address 216.200.84.179
I agree to your wishes for some up-to-date livery releases. However, some model manufacturers in 1/400 and 1/500 scale glut the market with their latest livery models and, as a conclusion, this might be the reason for the great collectors' interest in historic airlines and previous colour schemes. While this also is a personal point of view, I assume most of the collectors feel the same ... although this does not exclude some models in present liveries of present airlines!
Yesterday airlines like Eastern, PSA, Pan Am and Court Line are well-known and represent a certain part of aviation history. Their lack a presence (in reality as well as on the models market) makes them such most wanted items.
Dan
Posted on Jan 6, 2000, 9:41 AM from IP address 152.163.207.69
Any day of the week we can trot out to the airport and see new jets laced with current color schemes for ourselves. In addition, there are so many photos published regularly in aviation mags. Today's color schemes lack the imagination and wonder of the airline industry of the '60s and '70s. This era was the true great age of commercial aviation. Back then, flying was something special. People got dressed up when they boarded a plane; they didn't wear sandals and gym wear. Flight crews were treated with respect, and they treated passengers similarly.
I do not have one single model of a current color scheme in my collection. I find them to be a waste of money. They all look the same.
I will buy every single spectacular release that brings back the magic of how flying was when I was a kid. When thick, black smoke poured out of screaming turbojet engines and stewardesses still wore white gloves. When headphones were those awful little plastic plugs that made your ears hurt. When jetways met both the front and rear doors of every four-engine jet at LAX.
The MD80 is absolutely the most wretched airplane ever to plow the world's skies. It is hated by all cabin crew who have ever had to work it, and pilots simply tolerate it. It is equally despised by most passengers. I will never have a model of one, especially the ubiquitous and ordinary AA version. Sorry if I have offended anyone...
Bring on the 707s, DC8s, CV880s and Caravelles!
Alex
Posted on Jan 8, 2000, 12:12 AM from IP address 209.178.159.4
I agree completely.
Everybody else is doing the Airbus family, and current liveries , lets face it, are Empty of meaning whatsoever......the B707 in old Continental is a good example of a nice, maybe burlesque painting, but,they are what we call nostalgic paintings, and in my opinion, Gemini should continue to make THE difference, by offering us these old relics.
I fly an Airbus 320 and 319, and although its much more comfortable for passengers and crew, I miss the days I used to fly on a B737-200 !!!!!
Those were the planes...see what what I mean ?!?..
Take care, and " Retro jets forever " !!!!!!!!!
Posted on Jan 6, 2000, 7:43 PM from IP address 212.18.169.253
Don't sweat it... I think G3 was just calling attention to the fact that Air France is represented in GeminiJets line. Unfortunately, people tend to overlook it. May have sounded a bit sarcastic at first, though.
Gemini IS considering adding more European airlines to their fleet, please be patient... you will be rewarded!
Chuck
Posted on Jan 7, 2000, 6:35 AM from IP address 207.235.94.198
Yes, it sounded a bit sarcastic, indeed! However, what I believe is that the request for more European airlines is quite reasonable (as far as GJ will not produce those all-white liveries of the 1990's). There have been so many nice L-1011s and B747s of European airlines in historic liveries of the 1970's just like the B747s of British, SAS, Swissair or B'Cal (just to name a few) or the L-1011s of Court Line, LTU, British Airways or British Airtours. Might this be the "European airlines additions" they are looking for? Now that the yellow Court Line TriStar is coming, hopefully the pink L-1011 will follow soon.
Harry
Posted on Jan 7, 2000, 9:40 AM from IP address 152.163.213.72
....yes..ditto...European Airlines shud get their deserved share in gemini line..
by Sherif
retro or non-retro..i believe gemini shud offer some European carriers their deserved attention..surly a TAP L1011 or BRITISH (OR EVEN BETTER : BEA) wud have been more interesting than "COURT"-an almost incognito!!.. .How about smart OLYMPIC 747 in retro-colors?..Sabena..SAS..TAP retro747s wud be in sure demand...please consider it seriously gemini..
Posted on Jan 7, 2000, 9:08 AM from IP address 205.188.198.152
I'm tiring of the Euro white. Been there done that. If GJ attempts to do some of these, DW will only copy them and beat them to the market.
The Lufthansa modern livery - nice, BUT, haven't we seen a few of these around lately? Lufthansa RETRO - bring them on (thanks HW)!
I just use Lufthansa as an example - there are many other Euro white airlines with beautiful Retro schemes.
The point is - GJ is producing some very UNIQUE models that no one else will or would. It contributes to a better variety of models overall. Get your white models from DW (MSMD) or HW.
Posted on Jan 7, 2000, 9:36 AM from IP address 209.224.157.33
I hope that Gemini makes the MD-80 and 727-200. It would be great to see them in airline colors of the past. I think a United 727-200 in the old paint scheme of the early 70's would be neat, as well as a Northeast "Yello Bird." Does anybody have any good ideas for the MD-80's?
Posted on Jan 4, 2000, 7:43 PM from IP address 38.31.85.141
Sorry, Todd, the annoucement does no longer appear on the "New Releases". However, the MD-80 is scheduled for 2000 release as well as the the DC-10 and the B767-200 and -300 models.
Dan
Posted on Jan 5, 2000, 1:37 AM from IP address 152.163.213.178
Well I don't know about you Todd, but here are my choices for MD-80's:
American
Alaska (old and new colors)
Air Jamacia
Air Cal (final colors)
BWIA
Delta
PSA
Republic (Blue and Turquoise w/ Herman on the Tail)
USAir and USAirways
TWA (old and new c/s)
SAS
Dave
Posted on Jan 5, 2000, 7:28 AM from IP address 198.110.196.53
Japan Self Defense & British ' Rendezvous ' Hong Kong Distributed
by Air Canuck
Anyone out there have a source for these two models in US or Canada. Only found one supplier for JSD & zippo for the 1000pc. Hong Kong " Hong Kong " version...get it? Please post response if you know of reliable sources. Thanks.
Posted on Jan 3, 2000, 5:45 PM from IP address 209.20.9.208
This is the one source I knew about and the only one as it appears. It's on order...thanks for your response. The only Gemini Jet I still don't have is the Hong Kong version of ' Rendezvous '. Apparently, I,m told that it won't be imported to US/Canada because asking price is prohibitive. Shouldn't be, there's still a thousand pcs. out there. Thanks again.
Posted on Jan 5, 2000, 9:57 AM from IP address 209.20.2.139
I got mine from Wings and Wheels in the UK.
Go to the retailers section and Wings and Wheels are the last ones.
Sometimes their on-line ordering service is out of action.
If it is, e-mail Sharon and tell her "browndog" put you in touch.
Good luck and happy collecting
Posted on Jan 7, 2000, 1:32 PM from IP address 195.147.250.191
Here's a few Jumbos I'd like to see:
1) Transamerica ca. 1980 - Use of teal fifteen years before the Sharks & Marlins
2) Aer Lingus ca. 1980 - Biggest airborne green thing in history & pretty too!
3) Flying Tigers ca. 1980 - Nice logo/colours
4) Austin Powers ca. 1999 - The question here is are the Pantone charts large enough? Yeah Baby!
Posted on Jan 3, 2000, 9:43 AM from IP address 209.20.9.220
Yes, the B747 of Aer Lingus in the company's old livery would be an interesting addition to the B747 range.
However, the Aer Lingus Jumbo-Jet was not the "biggest airborne green thing in history"! It was - by far - the "green cucumber" as we called the all-green B747 Freighter of TMA of Lebanon.
Dan
Posted on Jan 3, 2000, 4:30 PM from IP address 152.163.207.69