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Ribbon Creek PISC Plt #71 1956 S/Sgt Matt McKeon USMC

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"Despite the great care thus used in the selection of men assigned to
train recruits, a tragedy resulting from the grievous errors of judgment of a
junior drill instructor occurred on Parris Island in April 1956. Various
regulations and standing orders of the post were violated at the same time.

The offending DI was Staff Sergeant Matthew C. McKeon, assigned to Platoon 71,
"A" Company, 3d Recruit Training Battalion.<81> On Sunday night, 8 April,
between 2000 and 2045, he marched 74 men of Platoon 71 from their barracks to
Ribbon Creek, one of the tidal streams on Parris Island, and led the men into
the water. Some of them got into depths over their heads, panic ensued, and
six recruits drowned in the resulting confusion.

The ostensible purpose of
the march was to teach the recruits discipline.<82> A court of inquiry was convened the next day by Major General Joseph C.
Burger, Commanding General, Marine Corps Recruit Depot, Parris Island, to
investigate the circumstances. Evidence presented to the court showed that
Sergeant McKeon had graduated from the Drill Instructors' School in February
1956, ranking 14th in a class of 55 graduates; a total of 90 students had
begun the course in his class.

He had been screened by the Psychiatric
Observation Unit on 3 January 1956 and given the highest possible rating on
"motivation," "emotional stability," and "hostility factors," and a
better-than-average rating on "achievement." The conclusion of the
psychiatric unit was that McKeon was a mature, stable appearing career
Marine."<83> 16



The court was of the opinion, after considering all the evidence brought
before it, that the directives governing the recruit-training program were
correct and adequate.<84> These directives, which went into some detail in
prohibiting oppression of recruits and in forbidding training operations in
the nature of punishment, were repeatedly impressed upon students in the Drill
Instructor's School and upon senior and junior drill instructors.<85> In the
opinion of the court, supervision of the training program was adequate.<86>

The court's findings of fact and its opinions based on these findings placed
the blame for the accident squarely on Sergeant McKeon, who, "in conducting an
unauthorized and unnecessary march by night into an area of hazard...which
resulted in the deaths of six brother Marines, not only broke established
regulations but violated the fine traditions of the noncommissioned officers
of the United States Marine Corps and betrayed the trust reposed in him by his
Country, his Corps, his lost comrades and the families of the dead."<87> It
recommended, among other that the sergeant be tried by general
court-martial.<88> After making certain clarifying and supplementary remarks, General Burger
approved the proceedings, findings, opinions, and recommendations.<89>

When the record of proceedings of the court of inquiry was reviewed by
the Commandant of the Marine Corps, General Randolph McC. Pate, he was of the
opinion that the court's action in the case had not gone as far as it should
have. The degree of guilt attributable to Sergeant McKeon, he believed, was
only part of the question.

The Marine Corps itself was on trial in a moral
sense for the death of the six recruits, in his opinion, and he believed that
a reorganization of training procedures at Parris Island, "insofar as the
supervision thereof is concerned," was necessary.<90> Thus, a separate recruit training command was established at Parris
Island, to be commanded by a brigadier general selected by the Commandant and
reporting directly to him.

In this way, the Commandant could "personally
control and monitor the steps which must be taken to insure more effective
supervision of our recruit training system." A similar recruit training
command was to be established at San Diego. Each of these recruit training
commands was to be staffed with specially selected officers "to supervise and
monitor but not to supplant the drill instructors" in the training of
recruits.

At Headquarters Marine Corps, in Washington, the Commandant
appointed an Inspector General of Recruit Training to assist him in the close
supervision of this new administrative machinery. These extraordinary
measures would remain in effect, he said, until he was convinced that no
reasonable objection could be made to the Marine Corps training program.<91> 17





Thus Sergeant McKeon's ill-fated march set off immediate repercussions
which shook Marine Corps training from top to bottom. Moreover, an
uninterrupted flood of publicity by the press, radio, and television literally
divided the entire country into two opposing camps, those who condemmed McKeon
for what had happened and those who sympathized with him.

It was in this glare of public gaze that McKeon's court-martial began at
Parris Island on 16 July 1956. A noted New York trial counsel, Emile Zola
Berman, undertook the sergeant's defense before the military court. For three
weeks, the battle ebbed and flowed, concerned as much with the propriety of
the rationale and practices of Marine Corps training as with McKeon's
responsibility for the Ribbon Creek affair. Witnesses came forward to defend
Marine training, others came forth to condemn it.

The defense presentation
culminated in the appearance on the stand of retired Lieutenant General Lewis
B. Puller and the Commandant of the Marine Corps himself.

Finally, on 4 August 1956, the court handed down its decision: McKeon
was acquitted of charges of manslaughter and oppression of troops; he was
found guilty of negligent homicide and drinking on duty. The sentence was a
fine of $270, nine months confinement at hard labor as a private and a
bad-conduct discharge from the Marine Corps. Upon review by the Secretary of
the Navy, the sentence was reduced to three months hard labor and reduction to
the rank of private; the discharge was set aside and the fine remitted.

Having already served part of his term prior to sentencing, McKeon was
released from custody on 19 October 1956 and restored to duty commensurate
with his reduced rank. By then, most of the public tumult had died, but there
was little doubt that 8 April 1956 had become an historic date in the history
of Marine Corps training, whether it be at Parris Island or elsewhere. The
drownings at Ribbon Creek had brought the training system of the Corps to
public attention in an exceedingly unfavorable light. The Marine Corps,
normally a strictly voluntary organization, had always derived much of its
strength and prestige from the confidence reposed in it by the general
citizenry of the United States.

If this confidence, which had been seriously
shaken in many sectors of the populace, could not be restored, the general
cause of the Corps would suffer. In the 41 years of its existence as a major
center of Marine training, Parris Island had never faced a more serious
challenge; for now, in addition to its primary mission of training new
Marines, it was of utmost importance to assure the American people, by the
power of example, that the rigors of recruit discipline and work were
sufficiently tempered by humanity and common sense as to prevent the
recurrence of tragedies such as Ribbon Creek.


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Basically, nothing was wrong with recruit training at Parris Island, but
some changes were instituted in training procedures, customs, and philosophy.
Most of the changes can be traced to the objective of saving for the drill
instructor his over-all authority while eliminating every reason that might
cause him to abuse it.<92> Drill instructors were more carefully selected, and a special school was
established to assure that only the best of them became recruit trainers.


Three instructors were assigned each recruit platoon instead of two, while
extra pay of $30 a month was provided each DI to help compensate him for the
extra hours his job required. All training was closely supervised by a team
of officers to seek ways of improving procedures so as to best provide the
type of Marine recruit graduate desired. Drill instructors were directed to
put a greater premium on example, persuasion, psychology, and leadership in
bringing a platoon of recruits into shape.<93>

A special training unit was set up at Parris Island to take care of
recruits with specific problems. A conditioning platoon, designed to take
care of those overweight, provided special diet and proper exercise to help
its members lose up to 30 pounds within three weeks. A motivation platoon for
the recalcitrants and a proficiency platoon for the slow learners were
established.

A strength platoon provided for those requiring special
exercises to build up flabby muscles, and a hospital platoon took care of
those requiring medical attention. More than three-fourths of the recruits
sent to such special platoons return to their regular platoons to successfully
complete the training program.

The Marine Corps does not give up on a recruit
until he has had thorough physical and psychiatric examinations and has had
repeated interviews and careful study by a board of officers. Most of them
get through boot camp, with the rejection rate about 4-1/2 percent at Parris
Island in 1959.<94> There is general agreement that the basic training at Parris Island is
professionally excellent and that the physical training is the best in the
history of the Recruit Depot.

It may not be like the 'old Corps,' but Parris
Island is turning out Marines mentally and physically ready to maintain, and
even enhance, the reputation of the Marine Corps. In the words of Commandant
David M. Shoup, "The Marines we are turning out at Parris Island today can cut
the mustard with any Marine who ever lived and fought.<95>


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Platoon # 71 Are You Out There? Your comments please...

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December 6 2002, 6:46 PM 

my platoon went through irt at camp giehger,n.c
with platoon # 71. june or july of 56, so long ago i cant remember the exact dates. i know we awaited
transfer from parris island because of the drownings and the investigation that was to come
later on. my di at pi was sgt.m.gonzales.
i made buddies with one of those guys from platoon # 71 but for the heck of me i cant
remember his name- o'niel or something like that.
he was from new jersey. i still have my graduation
book with all the names of my platoon in it from
parris island. great bunch of guys platoon # 71.
they could hack it with the best of us. enough of
my rambling. god bless all of you.
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February 9 2003, 1:10 AM 

Hey Gunny,
I'm Gene Ervin from platoon 71. I was the Right Guide for the platoon when we went through in the
winter/spring of '56. I don't know whether you have had the occasion to read a fine book on the incident written by Judge John Stevens from Massachusetts. He wrote the book from a trial standpoint, himself being a lawyer. I'm mentioned in the book several times and I contacted him a couple of years ago.
the name of the book is " Incident at Ribbon Creek " by John C. Stevens published by Naval Press Institute.
Semper Fi
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Hi, Gene....

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February 11 2003, 9:19 AM 

I was hoping you'd see this--lost your e-mail and addy from a couple years ago--hoping this gets you and others in contact w/one another!

SemperFidelis

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July 28 2003, 1:57 PM 

GENE,i was in platoon 55 next door to you.i was once a runner for sgt mckeon,when he was on week end duty.we were out marching around when whistles started blowing.we had no ideal what had happened.everthing changed for a couple of days.i understand you took a lot of hell at geiger and where ever you went.you did not deserve it.i hope the rest of your enlistment was better.semper fi

 
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September 8 2003, 5:17 AM 

hey Dick...I was scanning through google.com and came across this site again. I'm glad you're still out there. I got in touch with Jay Stevens who wrote the book on McKeon. get in touch with me at my email and let's cover ground since our last conversation a few years back.
Semper Fi
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September 9 2003, 9:26 AM 

gene,just wondering if you got e-mail i sent you

 
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September 20 2003, 5:05 AM 

Frank..I haven't received any Eamils from you yet.
Get back to me at my hotmail address when you have time. What state are you in?

 
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E=Mail sent to you!
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September 14 2003, 2:07 PM 

hey gene,
your the very first person from the plt. that i've ran across since boot camp. And we both know how long thats been. i'm curious to know if theres ever been a reunion on the guys from 71. i've watched the leatherneck mag. for several years and have never seen anything. i'm retired from a firm here in ohio now and have a lot of time for the computor. so if you see this give a buzz at my e-mail.

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September 20 2003, 5:01 AM 

Hey there....I remember you, Poole. I was the Right Guide. It's been a while, but I can remember your name adn I have a foggy recollection of how you looked. Do you remember John Sapp from Savannah? I think he was in our platoon...or maybe I met him in ITR.
Get back in touch if you get this.
Gene Ervin
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September 27 2003, 9:18 AM 

hi gene, glad you got my e-mail, iwas in the 7th or 8th squad. can't remember which one. ronny geckle and thomas was in my squad. your the first person other than dick drown i've talked to from the plt. i went to jacksonville fla. after we left p.i.
i'm retired now. just loafing all day. how you doing . have you talked to others from 71.
i never knew what happened to sgt. mckeon until i read the book " incedent at ribbon creek" i'm glad it worked out for mckeon. i really think he was a good guy. will poole

 
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Hey Poole,
Gene Ervin here. I was just visiting Gunny's site and saw your name. It's been two years since we spoke. How are you and how's everything where you are since the onslaught of hurricane Katrina. Man, what wrath she brought !
I hope all is well with you and yours.
It's coming up on 50 years since the Incident at Ribbon Creek. I heard that we might be invited back there on that day to commemorate those six men and Sgt. Mac.

Write me back if you get this message.
Semper Fidelis
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Hey Gene,
Scanning and seen your message. Every Things going quite well for myself, Hope your doing well your self. Yea i can't believe its been 5o years since we made the trip through Parris Island. It would be sorta nice if we could have some type of reunion to remember our six comrades. I'll be 67 years old this comming Febuary so that means every one should be 68 - 69. I joined on my 17 birthday. Idon't know how many would be able [ health wise ] to join us. i still work out every day so i'm am in pretty good shape[for a old man]. You know it would be great if Judge Stevens, The judge who wrote "court Martial At Parris Island' could join us. If you see this answer me and maybe we can get something going. I'm not sure How we could get in touch with anyone else. Richard Drown is Still in Huntington, West Virginia. I don't know about any one else.
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October 10 2005, 12:27 AM 

hey Bill..................I just read your post of Sept 20th and thought I'd get back to you. I'm still waiting to hear from Judge Stevens about getting together in P.I. for a rememberance of those 6 guys who died. All these years, no one has said anything about them. Their memory has been supressed because Sgt. Mac was still carrying this around with him and out of respect, the 6 were put on the back burner. Well, we're coming up on 50 years and I believe it's time that these guys got some recognition and closure with all of us who are still alive.
Stay in touch.
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November 16 2005, 9:02 PM 

Hey Gene,
Sorry it took so long to get back to you but, i've been quite busy,
I took a new job a few weeks ago and they have kept me pretty busy.
I tried retirement but it just didn't fit. I still go to the gym daily but it just wasn't enough.
You know Gene i've been re-thinking the memorial thing for the six that didn't come back from Ribbon Creek. Something you said left a bad taste in my mouth. I'm Sure you didn't mean it that way but when you said the six were left on the back burner because Sgt. Mckeon was still alive sorta made me feel a little guilty. You know one thing kept comming to the front of my mind over the years. I wonder What those six would say about the events leading up to their deaths if we could freeze time for 1 minute and get their comments. I would like to know if they thought Sgt. Mckeons actions were justified. Even if justice prevailed at his court martial. You know no matter how we feel about him the fact remains that six innocent recruits died. I to this day don't know if we were that, as a platoon, out of control or if it was just alcohol that got us into the swamp. I never thought that it was a general practice to take platoons into Ribbon Creek.I Thought than that was a fabrication and i still do. That would make it just a really bad decision on his part. A decision undoubtly made partly because of the alcohol.
What i'm leading to is, it seems a little to have a memorial. Let me know how you feel about this.
I still believe Sgt. Mckeon was one fine Marine. After talking to him shortly before his death i know how he felt about the whole thing.
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hey gene
thought i drop a line and let you know i just talked to sgt. mckeon this morning. he remembered me and the plt. his wife said he was just diagnosed with throat cancer and she said it is terminal. if you want to call i'm enclosing his phone #. 1-508-835-4351. he lives in mass. thank you and semper fi
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Just to let you know that my wifes uncle Matty passed away on Veterans Day Nov 11, 2003

 
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my heavy machine gun was assigned to sgt mckeon's rifle platoon during the last week of the korean war in july 1953. he was an outstanding platoon sgt,and very popular with his men. it turned out that we lived 40 miles away from each other in massachusetts I remember him checking positions even when we were under heavy fire. his presence was an inspiration to all. Our paths never crossed again,but I believe that joe buckley of brookline,mass used to hear from him. I was saddened today(dec 27,03) to find out that he passed on nov 11,o3 .I hope that some member of his family will come across this article . I just wanted them to know what a fine human being and an outstanding Marine mathew C.Mckeon was.

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SSGT. Mat Mckeon was my platoon sgt in Quantico in 1955. When I left in Dec of that year for Japan his last words to me were "Keep your nose clean skinhead." I was very surprised to hear when I arrived at South Camp Fuji, Japan that he was involved in the incident at PI. I am saddened to learn of his passing. I always remembered him as a Marine first and foremost.

 
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Hey Gene,
your the first guy from 71 that i've seen on the inter net, thought i drop and talk for a minute, i read the book by stevens, but 47 years is a hellu'va long time, it was good to see what happened out side the platoon after we made the march. you remember we were sorta shielded from the whole thing,if you have a platoon picture i'm the sixth guy in the front row, going from left to right, i do remember you thought i 've for gotten alot of the names. william poole

 
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September 13 2003, 3:22 PM 

hey gunny,
i haven't talked to any one from platoon 71 for several years. you asked for comments so here it is, first of all i'm getting tired of hearing how bad of a platoon we were. in reality i don't suppose we were any worse than any others. i thought than and i still believe the system broke down. the night of our march we were left behind the barracks at the rifle range without supervision. in the many years since the march
i've spent a great deal of time in different areas of supervision. one thing i've learned is you can't leave a large group of young people to thier own devices for any period of time with out horse play. thats where it broke down. if sgt. mckeon had been with or around the platoon that evening instead of drinking there would have been no playing chicken and consequently no march.
i talk to mckeon after graduation and he was a nice guy. but that doesn't change the fact.
I don't blame him as much as his supervisors for not knowing what was going on.
and i don't believe any of that bull **** that it was a normal training exercise to march in ribbon creek. that was a cover up. don't take this letter the wrong way i still think the marine corp is the greatest military force in the world.

 
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William...

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September 13 2003, 4:07 PM 

Thank you for responding, I am happy that you have done so--and much appreciated.

Your remarks are well taken--as I understand it, S/Sgt McKeon was the junior DI, and so I don't know if he was the one responsible for nobody in authority having been there for supervision of the platoon, or if possibly somebody else dropped the ball--in any event, you were there, and in a better position to judge than any of us now reading this.

Hopefully, others from Plt #71 will see your post and come forward in dialogue on this important matter.

Again, thank you for responding, Marine!
Semper Fidelis
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September 22 2003, 11:03 AM 

hey Gunny,
Good Day to you. You'll notice my e-mail is different. they're changing from attbi.com. to comcast.com and i don't know if comcast is up yet. you said last e-mail kept comming back to comcast so i thought i'd try something different.
I saw in your message you have e-mails for two different members of plt 71. if those are different from gene irvin and myself. could i bother you to send them on to me.
Other than dick drown in huntington, west v. i haven't been able to raise any other of the guys.

semper-fi will poole

 
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September 14 2003, 5:31 PM 

will,were you guys in the quonset huts on the mainland?i e mailed gene,but got no response.if you get a chance open up mail plt#55 and read.im also retired and have plenty of time.sgt swinsburg was our d i

 
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September 14 2003, 8:33 PM 

Frank,
we were in the quonset huts on the way to the rifle range, you know its been so many years ago i lose a lot of details, but i'll never forget the huts, lol . they weren't really that bad though. i also read the book , "incedent at ribbon creek". you know it beats the hell out of me how those guys can remember so much that happened over 40 years ago. all i can remember was getting wet and sgt. mckeon telling me that we lost a few men tonight.
you know parris island was a bitch but i wouldn't trade my 14 weeks there for anything.

semper - fi frank
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September 23 2003, 12:40 PM 

hey gunny,
good day to you, hey i seen in one of your e-mails you said you had e-mail address's for two members of plt. 71. if these are different from gene irvin's and myself could you possably forward these to me. i would greatly appreciate this.other than dick drown in huntington, west virginia i've never been able to contact anyone.thank you for your time sir,

semper- fi will poole

 
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October 4 2003, 9:04 PM 

Gunny,
out of curosity have you ever heard from anyone pertaining to sgt. king. Our jr. d.i. at p.i. i ran into him once while stationed at kaneho in hawaai.there was a lot written about mckeon but very little of king.
he was a pretty good guy. maybe a little to good of a guy. i can remember him letting the guys smoke after s/sgt. huff had said no smokes. but he wasn't much older than we were.
i just was wondering what happen to him.
did you get the book from the m.c.a with the membership in it. i can't find a darn person that i know. the book was sent out in 2001.
i'll talk to you again. have a good day sir.

will poole
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Hi Will...

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October 4 2003, 9:21 PM 

No, I never heard anything of King at all--I don't have the book, but I should pick it up--you Marines of Plt #71 who have posted here are the only ones I know of from Plt #71. I did meet S/Sgt McKeon at CPNC in 1958 when he was a Pfc or Cpl there at MAG-24, and he moonlighted at the EM Club nites. In about July '59 McKeon and I hit Disbursing at the same time to check out--I had orders to HQMC; and he was going out on a medical discharge.

I recall we had a brief conversation there--I had gone out myself between enlistments (1955-56) and joined the USMCR in Providence, RI--McKeon mentioned that he might join the USMCR--he was from Worcester, Mass, and I think he may have joined the USMCR unit there--I was never able to get a response from that USMCR unit when I requested info a few years ago, but apparently McK was already deceased at that time.

I have received info from other Marines indicating that McKeon had been a frequesnt guest speaker at various Marine Corps league/VFW/vets organizations for a few years prior to his death.

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Matthew McKeon in VMF-114 at Cherry Point

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August 19 2004, 8:50 PM 

I was the Officer of the Day in VMF-114 at Cherry Point Marine Corps
Air Station one day in the Spring or Summer of 1957. About 2 am, a Marine
came up to my desk, soluted and said Matthew McKeon reporting for duty.
At the time I did not realize who he was, but I was surprised to see hash
marks up and down his sleeve and a chestful of ribbons, but with no visible
rank. I found out later in the day that he just came in from Parris Island.
I got to know him a lot better in the days that followed. I was serving as
the squadron electronics officer in VMF-114, and Matthew was assigned to my unit.

He was a wonderful person, a fine Marine, a joy to talk with, and someone
that would make anyone a great friend.

I was deeply saddened to hear of his death. I'll remember him always.
My deepest sympathies go out to his love ones.

John A. Scigliano
First Lieutenant
USMCR 072715
Semper Fi

 
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Re S/Sgt Matt McKeon...

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October 24 2003, 2:24 AM 

As I have noted previously, A couple years or so back I attempted to contact McKeon--at that time, I received several e-mails from Marines indicating that McKeon had passed away, which I have assumed to be correct.

The following e-mail from my files is likely old information, buy I am posting it here for the record anyway.
DickG
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--- Oliver Pettit <oap3@charter.net> wrote:

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I read that you felt that Sgt McKeon is no long
alive. When did he pass?I am sure you have his
home address and phone number?
178 Maple St
West Boylston MA
508-835-4351
Ralph Hollenbeck was the Sgt that was told to
throw away all the transcriptsfrom the
court-martial
of Sgt Mckeon. Ralph lives in CO. I think at all
the transcripts are nota Quantico.
Oliver A Pettit
www.geocities.com/platoon233


    
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ATTN: PLATOON #71 MARINES!

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October 24 2003, 3:00 AM 

It occurs to me that you few surviving Plt #71 Marines may not be aware of the interest by Marines in general for the so-called Ribbon Creek Incident, Plt #71, SSgt McKeon, etc.

Because I have Site Meter on most of my sites (Gunny G's...)--over 100+ sites--I can see that of the 1,000--2,000 hits per day that all my sites receive, that the pages on plt #71 get a fair share-- I do not have the stats exactly for this, but I can see just from browsing my Site Meter that this is so.

The numbers that are visible to you on Site Meter are not the number of hits, but rather the number of different Visitors per day/time period. For instance, the Site Meter today indicates about 51,000+ (that is Visitors not hits) when I click on my site meter it indicates close to 200,000 Hits for those 51,000 Visitors--these numbers since May 21st this year.

Over the years, about 7 years, I have had numerous counters on some of my pages, and/or no counters at all. A conservative estimate, based on my observations during this period, would seem to be, again, a conservative estimate--about 3+ million Hits during those 7 years.

Anyway, I wanted to emphasize to you of plt #71, that there is an interest among Marines as to your experience at PISC in April of 1956. As far as I know, I am the only Marines Website who has ever made any effort to contact Marines of Plt #71, and/or to encourage you to post here. Indeed, only a couple of you have done so--I am not aware of any others out there, although it seems there must be others still around. Perhaps, others of Plt #71 have perused these pages but have declined to post here. I wish I had had the insight to have made this effort several years earlier when SSgt McKeon was still about, and might have responded here.

One of the constant topics for Marines (active-discharged-retired-reserves, etc.) is old corps vs. new corps. Ribbon Creek is often cited by Marines and professional writers alike as a turning point for the old corps. Of course, just what constitutes the "Old Corps" really is a debatable subject in itself. For me, the old corps has always been those Marines from WW II and prior--many of whom were still serving during my 20 year cruise w/the Corps.

Many old time Marines tend to claim Old Corps status, but most always concede that today's Marines are just as good. It is on this point that I, personally, take exception--and up front, I am not a combat Marine (that point will always come up in any argument/discussion that ensues)hell, I am not even a field Marine.

The Marines of the 30s, 40s, and 50s came from an America that was very much different from the America of the late 60s, and even more different from the America of recent years. Many of these people are the offspring of the hippy/yuppy generations, etc. Just visit any Marines messageboards and observe the ignorant, braggart, and arrogant "discussions" going on there. Hopefully, they are Not representative of today's Marines in general.

So, the question of the new corps being as good, or even better (as one Marine general recently stated) is not a valid question, since old and new Marines came to the Corps from two different Americas, in my opinion--hell, today's public/state school systems do not even teach the American history that we learned in our time--the socialistic/socialization of America has long been in progress.

Just some thoughts.

Semper Fidelis
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Sgt. Mathew Mckeon

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October 24 2003, 12:24 PM 

Gunny;
i took sgt. Mckeon's phone # off your message this morning. and bingo he was there and very much alive. he does have cancer and says hes on the way out. it was so great to talk to him after almost 50 years. we talked about 20 minutes about the old days. he started to get tired so i told him semper fi and good bye. you know he was a decorated machine gunner in korea didn't you. again thanks for his #. he still remember me after all these years. he told me i wasn't the biggest guy in the plt. and told me where i was in the grad. picture. quite a memory hun.
thank you sir for your time.
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Hey, Will...

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October 24 2003, 2:06 PM 

I thank you for your response and for calling SSgt McKeon!!!

I should have known better than to take the word of anyone that he was deceased, but I heard it from several reliable Marines and....

I hope you have also e-mail Gene about this.

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October 26 2003, 7:04 AM 

I don't specifically recall that Mckeon was a MGr in Korea--but I do remember from the news accounts of the time, that he had previously served an enlistment in the Navy before joining the Corps--seems like he came into the Corps just prior to or about the time of Korea, 1950.

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sgt mckeon, korea?

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October 27 2003, 11:35 AM 

Gunny,
you know i'm not quite sure where i read that sgt mckeon was a machine plt leader in korea, but i believe it was in one of the books i read concerning his trial at parris island. i didn't want to keep him on the phone when i called him and i didn't want it to sound like a interragation. he sounded tired and mine was just a call from one marine concerned about the other . but i'm sure he wouldn't mind you calling. thank you for your time
semper fi will

 
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re mckeon korea

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October 27 2003, 2:25 PM 

will,i know of an ex navy guy who claimed he was in the navy aboard the same ship with mckeon.it was in the late forties.i thought it was a lot of bull,but im not so sure now.the man passed away last summer.if you find out let me know.

 
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Frank...

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October 27 2003, 2:34 PM 

...I know that McKeon had served in the Navy prior to joining the Corps. So your friend was likely correct.
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October 27 2003, 3:27 PM 

gunny,thanks for the info.i was next door to plt 71,and was a runner for sgt mckeon.he seemed to be a pretty descent guy.

 
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Thank you, Will...

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October 27 2003, 2:31 PM 

...you talked me into it--when I read your post here I just picked up the phone and called Mac--talked to his wife, Elizabeth, first, and then Mac. He remembered me from when we were both in MAG-24 at Cherry Pt (58-59) Exchanged Semper Fis, and talked for a bit. He was happy that you had called him the other day. When I mentioned Gene's name, he immediately responded that he remembered him too.

I'm glad you suggested I call him--I usually don't do things like that. Funny thing, I reenlisted and came back into the Corps in March 1956 (same time frame you were going to PI), after going out after my first cruise, (I was a buck sergeant) and they ran me through ITR as a trainee at Geiger. At that time I had a trainee in my platoon who used to say that his big brother was a naval officer, and he was going to be either CNO or governor of Georgia in the next few years. Always was trying to get me to swoop to Ga w/him on weekends.

Years later, his brother did become governor, and still later, president of the US. That Marine's name from ITR was Billy Carter.

When Billy was dying, I was prodded by my wife to call him, and I kept putting it off--until it was too late. It's not good to put things like this off. I'm hoping Gene gets the word on this soon, and that he will also call Matt--I'm sure it would make his day.

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hey gunny

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October 28 2003, 6:53 PM 

gunny
i was glad you call sgt mckeon. i get the feeling hes going to need all the support he can muster. did you ask him about korea, don't know exactly where i read that . boy that was a strange story about billy carter. the strange thing is you never really know when to say good bye.so i try not to put it off. i e-mailed gene with sgt. mckeon's # but i have no way of knowing if he got it. You know there was a lot of strained relationships in the plt. after the march. several came to blows. i had one such deal myself. i don't remember what brought in on. pvt. mitchell and i had a few words that escalated very quickly. we also had a few problems at camp geiger going through itr. we seemed to be the black sheep for a while , i never could figure that on e out. about two days after the march they came to the barracks and picked out two or three of us and took us to mainside. i found myself standing on the steps leading into base headquarters with more brass than i knew existed. they were denying that we took the march for desciplinary reasons. i contradicted what the brass was saying and all eyes focused on me and scared the hell out of me. private acker had a lot of problems after the march with the rest of the plt. i still have no idea why. on the way back to the barracks after we left ribbon creek sgt. mckeon said to me. "we lost a couple of marines tonight private". i don't think he was cut out to be a drill instructer. he was really too nice of a guy.
every april the 8th. at about 8:00 at night i stop and think about my six friends that never made it through p.i.
enough of my rambling. thats more than i've said in the 47 years since the march. about the march.
thank you and good night gunny. semper fi
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Will...

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October 28 2003, 9:25 PM