I just started carving. Boy the first few bears I did were rough to say the least but then again with a jonsered 2050 and 20" bar that could have been the problem. But with time I have gotten alot better and using smaller saws helps too. Next will be carving bars for me. I just recently found this site and have looked through just about all the pages for as much info as I could. It's too bad that it will no longer be available. Thanks for having this forum for newbies like myself. I will miss forum though.