Why don't we all, with the assistance of any networking contacts any of you may have....Push for a STANDARD set of class rules!!! These rules will be MANDATORY for any sanctioned Professional pull throughout the Nation...

I've heard post after post, where a guy wants to attend a pull that is fairly close to him, but in a different association. The problem is a little rule here or there that makes it impossible for that person to make the changes necessary to attend, and try for the win!!!

Every other HIGH HP motorsport has standardized rules like the NHRA, why can't Pullers???!!!!

Even if the small associations have to change to meet the LARGER associations specs....at least it would be STANDARDIZED!!

I'm sure with all the connections REDDOG has, we could have this process started this summer!!! After the season, with the proper networking, all the associations could use the offseason this winter to re-write the rule books.

We gotta do it, and it might as well start ASAP!!! After standardized rules comes BIG TIME SPONSORS!!! And PrimeTime TV shows!!!

BIG TIME PURSES$$$$$$$

Let's all band together on this, and get the ball rollin'


Adrian Flores
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Adrian,

I wish I had a penny for every time this conversation has been started, I would have a truck and tractor for every national class and have fuel money to get them all to the pulls. It is plain and simple to many people hide behind those little "rules" you refer to. So they only have to be as competitive as the trucks in there club. They use comments like "keeping down the cost" and such. But the facts are the same that too many people have already built to the rules they like and won't change a single thing to make a universal association rule setup work. And for the most part most clubs have started because a group of guys that got tired of one associations rules, got together and made there own rules to suit themselves and keep out the trucks they did not want to compete against. NTPA and PPL already have rules in place for classes down to Prostock 4x4. If you want a universal set of rules and higher payouts I suggest you move to an area that you can be active in a NTPA member state that supports a class you want to run or move to the Indiana, Kentucky area to run PPL PS4. But I will warn you, you better bring your A game.

Travis

Yeah I think it is a great idea, we've even discussed on this board a few years back. I think the only way that it will get through is for everyone to get together on the internet from several different states. On a website such as this, setup a set of rules that everyone can agree to. Then at every one's individual fall meetings, you can suggest adding or deleting a rule here or there that would bring your organization into compliance. Once 2 or 3 organizations in a single state are in compliance within a single set of rules, others will feel compelled to conform. Then maybe we could get a non-profit ruling body setup for the national level. Either way, a national set of rules would definitely help the sport. Everyone should maybe post their org's rules and one person could blend them all together. The process of tweaking the wording would take months, but could be done. This is what they call grass roots org!!! All in favor??

Well if NTPA is the biggest, and will be the one to NOT change...Then lets take their rule book to our associations next meeting and push for standardization...

I'll check their website for rules and post a link.

A.....

I would say go with the ppl rules. They are the most open and have a good number of trucks show up and run with them already. It will be hard to get everybody to open up to those rules though but it would be great if everyone could.

Adrian,

PPL supports more beginner classes than any other national orginization. And they support them by pursueing sponsors for smaller classes. NTPA member states dont have payouts much better than local type clubs. They often have payouts of $400 to win for Mod 4x4 and light super and such. PPL with there Middle region or whatever they call it this week is paying around $700 to win PS4.
I know it is not all about money but when you have a national organization that is pursuing monies for the smaller classes maybe it would be a smarter idea to join them.

But if you think you could unite all or even most truck pullers into about 3 classes nationally it will never happen. Take a look at the differences between PA and CO and then all the trucks in between. The cubic inch differences alone would be the first stumbling block. Nobody that runs a small motor would want more and nobody that runs bigger cubes would want less.
Just way to many differences in already established club trucks. This is also talked about in demo derby and roundy-rounds but they have the same problems not enough people are prepared to do enough changing to conform.

Travis

I have tried this before, even had web survies posted on every board etc. TA is right on , no one wantsa to give up there litlle peice of earth.

Also, PPL rules are the most screwed up, because they allow each state to run their own rules. NTPA is good for bigger classses, but for example, prostock fwd's, they make their own rules, since there are only nine trucks, and they are all in the midsouth

How this will happen, is if avoining groups get together and get their rules fixed, then team up and expand to the next group, so on and so fourth.

For the most part your big classes are set mod 4x4 most of your tractors.

Your bottum 4x4 classes is where we have all gone nuts.

Use the midsouth trucks as a good example, they change their rules every few years, but purposfully avoid changes that would allow others to run with them. This year they even have bar tires. But they have small cid, short hitch, run on gasoline, but have big heads, just in iron. From the outside this seems wierd.

I think one reason they don't want anyone coming in, is because outsiders would possbibly take "their" monies. Plus most think that more cubes is a big advantage so the small cube guys think they can't compete but the reality is that they can. I don't think anything at the national level will happen in the lower classes unless NTPA OR PPL set rules and I don't believe they are interested in doing so. Also, when you start talking about cubic inch differences, most folks get defensive because they don't want have to build a new motor.

My question is why couldn't motor rules be adjusted to allow the bigger cubic inch, but restrict in such a way so that they don't have to build a new motor ie. over 485 CI must run Iron heads and block, and under 485 CI can run any aluminum heads or over 485 must run oem intake/single DP carb under 485 any intake/any single carb.
Most of the other rules are close enough to not matter too much so those could be hashed out easily I would think.

I know that ITPA's rules are just different enough to allow me not to be able to run with MICHINDOH or Darke County Pullers, which is too bad because they have some pulls that are much closer to me than some of the ITPA pulls and with $5 diesel, that is important. IMHO, with the current (and future) transportation costs to get to and from pulls, it would be to EVERYONE's benefit if clubs like the 3 I just mentioned could come together and allow the trucks to pull with each other because pullers are going to look much closer at the distance to the pulls to determine if they go or not. Allowing each other to pull would only bolster attendance and help each organization put on a better show, which makes them look good to the promoters.

Hell its hard enough to get rule changes within an organization never mind to amalgamate to a standard set of rules

If I were you I wouldnt consider all the dead horse beatin yuo would have to do to just get an audience never mind a change

Spend that free time you wanna be wastin on winin n dinin yur wife - at least she will appreciate it, maybe listen, and put up with a wee bit more garage time