(Skopje, DTT-NET.COM)-The head of FYROMacedonia's government Nikol Gruevski has rejected calls for complete official use of Albanian language in the country thus sparking different interpretations of the 2001 Ohrid Agreement and May Agreement on the issue with the main party of Ethnic Albanians.


http://www.dtt-net.com/en/index.php?...e&article=2506

This is the way Serbia started...

That's right, Teuta. And I hope the Macedonians wise up and understand that they can not exclude the Albanians from their country.

How could you not include the Albanian language in a country that has a large Albanian population? Stupidity!



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can the albanians in Greece talk Albanian????
dont think so. Thats why all albanians speak greek and adopt Greek names. What will happen if they dont?

Well every imigrant or citizen living in foreign countries should have the right to speak whatever they feel like...well in greece and serbia that's impossible. All Albanians in Greece speak both languages and i have never heard of an ALbanian being named by a Greek name..ecxept the Arvanits and Chams (ethnic ALbanians) who are the ancient ethnic groups of ALbanian tribe.

Regarding to the Topic...Albanian will be pronounce an Offical Language in Macedonia its only matter of time ...because more then 35% of its people are Ethnic Albanians..

Albanians in Greece can speak Albanian...is just that they feel stigmatised uf doing that....by Greeks...this is lack of democracy in Greeks' mentality!!!

well Dardanus and Teuta, they cant...
During my vacation in GReece we went from patras to Corfu with ferryboat and I saw at their faces they were albanians an albanian family speaking greek.
when they said something albanian it was very quiet.
nice to see how democratic Greece is and that they have become an example for other balkan-countries.

well braveserb..i dont get it..you dont have to adopt no-ones culutre..you have to keep yours and respect the others...but Greece does not have this..
they want everyone to respect their and they dont want to respect the others.

I totaly see this wrong..
I wouldnt call Greece Democrotic Country but just another Racism and Nationalism country.

when I said that GReece is democratic, I said this ironically.
In GReece they say that their balkan neighbours are nationalist, while they are the same or even worse.

THe first country to blame in Balkans will be Greece...because of its racism and nationalism not only in Greece but all around....They invended the Nationalism in Balkans.

racism agains their lang and cult.

1.Macedonia
2.Tureky,
3.Bulgarians.
4.Albanians.

yes besides this Nationalism is not coming from the Balkans, but its a filosophy or idea coming from WEstern Europe started in France and spread all over the world, and actually this whole idea is indeed based on racism.
especially of Greece, cause the idea of GReece is based on the fact that Europeans, actually Westerners are more superior than for example Easterners cause GReece is cradle for the European civilisation.

darda you just keep talking pal.

Kosovar orthodox churches get vandalized who's the fascists and racists now pal. You just keep piling up in your own fested up pile of lies.



From many youtubes out there. Now is this really necessary?!~ Why not accept others culture and way of life as you've occupied it, try at least to live in peace regardless who started it.

Or at least try and act human.

to Arxileas

yo arxileas...This is what will happen when you kill 2 children...we learned that from south neigbours ...greeks...unrespected nation...

No actually you mean YOU now know why no other Balkan nations want you so because they don't want you in their country doesn't constitute to fascism son nor human rights denied . In fact Greece should expel all illegal immigrant Albanians again all of them. She has every right too.

You made it funny HAHAHA Ok so the Great Albania will confront us with our Greek Byzantine war flag LMAO. Why not use your original and real Albanian flag you know like the one that looks like the Turkish flag minus the crescent moon. Or are you ashamed of your past? so that's why the need to adopt Greek heroes and the flags they used.




Isn't Greece wonderful full of history and culture so much that its neibours dream off and borrow.

Oh internet dreams of yours, It is a conquest for a prince of clowns to boast of.

Arxileas,
calm down and or you'll destroy your health. Are you saying that only Greece has history???? Well, you're wrong my friend. As for the flag, Byzant had it. Albanians were under Byzant too. Why then didn't Greeks kept the flag as their national one, but changed it????? Don't blame Albanians for that...There was a reason why Skenderbeg chose that flag (not because he was Greek - he never DECLARED that, unlike Alexander, but quiet the opposite, fought for/with Albanians)....as per the immigrants in Greece, expell them all if you want...you'll miss them.

hehhe........

Well whos is the North Greece....just guess neighbours...Ηameria is Albanian and will always be..all the northern history belonged to Illyrians...that's why you go out there and have festivals on Illyrian monuments and Statues.............(Insult deleted. Just a few more steps, dude, and the door will slam you right in the ass!

Oh well so much for human intelligence. If you knew any history you'll both see that Albania is using this proto celts "Illyrians" history, that's right Illyrians were in fact proto celts and some had Hellenic inflaunce. And Georgos Kastriotis the Greek and half Serb. Did you think you had any history? Good lord.

Have some respect for your self's because the truth always predominates at the end. I guess everyone does want to be Greek. I mean did you think you had any connectiuon to the Pelegnesians lol at Zeus10 the Alb with a Greek id at Albania dot com. Sad very sad.

Greeks don't give them any worth they are jealous of their neibours history so resort into assimilating them but we know Albanians can never be Greek.

lol....to be a greek is to be homo....i would kill myself to be a greek.

Pelasgian--Illyrian and Proud ALbanian

F.uck the Haters..


Greeks you have to learn why we are ur Enemies ...we have been for ever in ancient times...Illyrian were better fighters and stronger than any Empires in Europe..except the ROman one...thats when u moved to IlLyria today Cameria EPIRUS

MARKED FOR DELETION. INSULTING

I refuse to be Greek either...

You wrote this hate speech along with others.

"""lol....to be a greek is to be homo....i would kill myself to be a greek."""

Then.

"""F.uck the Haters.."""

Well you know what to do now, as long as you use protection.

teuta we are Greeks, whether you like it or not now even the word teuta is of Greek origin, there is no escaping it.

can the albanians in Greece talk Albanian????
dont think so. Thats why all albanians speak greek and adopt Greek names. What will happen if they dont?

That's funny. When my wife and I are in Greece, she speaks Albanian to some Albanians there. They are not afraid to speak Albanian, I assure you, funny man, at least not the ones I have come across. But I am sure there are some that are a bit afraid of repercussions from the authorities, and rightly so.




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Why then didn't Greeks kept the flag as their national one, but changed it????? Don't blame Albanians for that...

Actually, you can blame the Greek love toward Bavaria. The first King of Greece was from Bavaria and I do believe the colors of the Greek flag is in tribute to the contributions the Bavarians gave to the Greeks. I'll drink to that:





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Dardanus, do not get me wrong. You are the kind of Albanian I do not care for. A loud and obnoxious, foul mouthed Albanian. Chill out and be civil, and we will not have any problems. Have a beer and calm down.



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teuta we are Greeks, whether you like it or not now even the word teuta is of Greek origin, there is no escaping it.
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Who are WE my dear? My real name is not Teuta for that matter...let alone my last name....is even worse! And yet...I do feel Albanian...can't help it...

PS: since when Teuta is of Greek origin????

Dardanous
"well braveserb..i dont get it..you dont have to adopt no-ones culutre..you have to keep yours and respect the others...but Greece does not have this..
they want everyone to respect their and they dont want to respect the others.

I totaly see this wrong..
I wouldnt call Greece Democrotic Country but just another Racism and Nationalism country."
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You dont have to adopt no-ones culture... WHEN YOU ARE AT YOU HOME boy! AT MY HOME.. you have to respect! You're visitor... and I dont know what your culture is saying for manners of visitors... but in our culture THERE IS RESPECT!

The Greek immigrants of Gemany, US etc showed that respect. They have learned their languages in order to communicate, they have shown respect to their religion in order to be adjust with their new neighborhs, they didnt formed any mafias and on the contrary they have work hard to move forward.

The Albanians of Greece... are economic immigrants... means NO CITIZENS! Means... they have to speak the language of the country that HOSTS them, they have to use that language in order to communicate with their new neighbors, they have to SHOW RESPECT to the religion of their new neighborhs. As the Greek visitors of Iran RESPECT the Sharia law and Greek women cover their heads, Greek men hide their crosses into their neck etc.... the same respect will show Muslim Albanians in Greece either they like it or not.

As Greeks behave like Germans in Germany, like Americans in US, like Brittons in GB.... that is how the Albanians will behave in Greece until they proove they love that country and get a citizenship. If you cant do that... means you dont love the country that hosts you.. go back to your country ot have every freedom you want!

In our country... you have to proove before you take medals and citizenships! If you proof you love Greece.. the country that hosts you... I will be the first who will shout for your rights. Since you're incapable doing that... and since you seem to hate Greece... say thank to God that even we allow you to earn money in Greece and support your home back in Albania.

You'll absorb the word "civilization" like or not.

You will learn what respect means either you like it or not. This is Hellas! Afterall.. take it or live it.

"You dont have to adopt no-ones culture... WHEN YOU ARE AT YOU HOME boy! AT MY HOME.. you have to respect! You're visitor... and I dont know what your culture is saying for manners of visitors... but in our culture THERE IS RESPECT!The Greek immigrants of Gemany, US etc showed that respect. They have learned their languages in order to communicate, they have shown respect to their religion in order to be adjust with their new neighborhs, they didnt formed any mafias and on the contrary they have work hard to move forward".



But all immigrants in Greece speak Greek and have adopted Greek culture, of course some of them not denying theirs...!!! Isn't that so? At least from what I recall when I was there!!





"The Albanians of Greece... are economic immigrants... means NO CITIZENS! Means... they have to speak the language of the country that HOSTS them, they have to use that language in order to communicate with their new neighbors, they have to SHOW RESPECT to the religion of their new neighborhs. As the Greek visitors of Iran RESPECT the Sharia law and Greek women cover their heads, Greek men hide their crosses into their neck etc.... the same respect will show Muslim Albanians in Greece either they like it or not".


You need not worry about Muslim Albanians because there are none...and they speak Greek in Greece and OUT of it!!! (Here I see Alb. in Astoria who speak Greek to their Greek neighbors and that is called double respect: English - for the country which hosts them and Greek - for the neighbors!!
But they would also feel free to speak their language in Greece (among themselves) without been stigmatized by Greeks when they hear it!!! And no Greek has any right to say: you can't! You have to talk Greece even among yourselves in Greece...for is dictat after that!



"As Greeks behave like Germans in Germany, like Americans in US, like Brittons in GB.... that is how the Albanians will behave in Greece until they proove they love that country and get a citizenship. If you cant do that... means you dont love the country that hosts you.. go back to your country ot have every freedom you want!"

Greeks behave like Americans but do not forget their traditions and language! The same behave Albanians! (Even though sometimes I reprimand them for being more Greek than is needed)


"In our country... you have to proove before you take medals and citizenships! If you proof you love Greece.. the country that hosts you... I will be the first who will shout for your rights. Since you're incapable doing that... and since you seem to hate Greece... say thank to God that even we allow you to earn money in Greece and support your home back in Albania".


You're wrong! Albanians don't hate Greece. They're just overwhelmed...and hot blooded...and you know why? Because they know Greeks don't hate Albanians that much! I mean...despite the divergences, deep inside both parts know: can't live with you, but and can't live without you!! And Greeks know that in a future, they can count in Albs. as history has proven it...I think for Albs. is the same too!!!!
Because I've grown up in my family with love for Greece!! All my uncles and aunts who live there...but I've grown up with love for Albania and Kosovo too!!!! And all those family members of mine who live in Kosovo love Kosovo and all those who live in Greece love Greece very much !!! And yet...they feel somehow neglected in there!!!!!! And they are disappointed!!!! And I am so sorry!!!!


"You'll absorb the word "civilization" like or not".

How I wish Albs. to have more "threats" of this sort from neighbors...I've never seen anything more beautiful...who really loves, would try NOT to leave one in darkness in centuries...




"You will learn what respect means either you like it or not. This is Hellas! Afterall.. take it or live it".

Respect is a sacred word for Albanians (HONEST - lol). Is equal to BESA. You know it, don't you?

hi there every one. first of all sorry my englesh is not good as i wish.
naw to answer your fantasist conclusions id like to tell everyone in here
tha those Albanians whu dosent speak ALbanian in Grece itc just because the have no papiers they just dont want to atract atention on them or simpply they just pasing from grece to go somewere else by plane whith some fake pasports or stuf like is as simple as that there is nothing more to add. and for the democraci or watever is in grece an Albanian whu lives there will never denie his own langug never in his life.

and for the name the gange it just because otherwise they will never find a job in there if theyr name is Qazim .... loool sow dont worry no one have ben coverted is just for papiers i garantie for that and plus u can ask whu u like and u ll see. sou naw ciao and peace u crazy Balkanians

Vasili, your post of 20 Oct is a lot of crock. How dare you insist that an immigrant must totally bow down for the country they choose to immigrat to. You are essentially saying that all Greeks that immigrated to Australia or America must completly assimilate to that country and culture.

Well, I've got news for you. All the Greeks I know in America and Germany are still Greek, practice their culture, their native language, and are essentially the same as living in Greece, except for being citizens of the countries they chose to immigrate to.

You would hide your cross if you were in a Muslim country? I don't. There is no requirement of any religion to do such things. And it is not disrespectful to show your love for your religion. I've gone to synagogues wearing my cross and also a yarmulke for respect. I was not required to conceal my cross and I would not if asked to.

If Greece deals with immigrants the way you described, Greece is in trouble.



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I think GETI has right!
its all about the papers! but according greeks its because of the civilisation of ancient greece greeks offered to albanians :P

Hej Pavle,
be careful what you say. If not, your Serbian brothers will label you as a treator again...lol...what a funny story!!! You may be a NORMAL Serb after all...

hahaha He is not Serb he is Turk or Shiptar
so phatetic but funny in the other way

hahaha He is not Serb he is Turk or Shiptar
so phatetic but funny in the other way
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...According to you! Ask me!
To me he is a NORMAL Serb...unlike some others...and I think he is inclined to see things straight!!! But...this is only my opinion???!!!

"Vasili, your post of 20 Oct is a lot of crock. How dare you insist that an immigrant must totally bow down for the country they choose to immigrat to. You are essentially saying that all Greeks that immigrated to Australia or America must completly assimilate to that country and culture.
Well, I've got news for you. All the Greeks I know in America and Germany are still Greek, practice their culture, their native language, and are essentially the same as living in Greece, except for being citizens of the countries they chose to immigrate to."
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I dont want something more from the Albanians immigrats. Just doing that... is enough.

But.. by burning Greek flags in the Olympic Stadium in Athens in the game Greece-Albania... and by forming groups of crime or else mafia.... I dont think they respect very much the freedom was given to them... EVEN as ILLEGAL immigrants.

I've got news for you too. Af far I remember... I have never heard of Greek immigrant in US or whatever burning the flag of US or whatever. That is respect!

Also, as far I remember... I have never heard of a Greek immigrant in US or elsewhere forming a CRIME GrOUP.. or else MAFIA. That is respect too.

So... just do what the immigrants do Greeks... and we'll all live happily.



"You would hide your cross if you were in a Muslim country? I don't. There is no requirement of any religion to do such things. And it is not disrespectful to show your love for your religion. I've gone to synagogues wearing my cross and also a yarmulke for respect. I was not required to conceal my cross and I would not if asked to. "
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ehm....dont go to Iran with these thoughts..



"If Greece deals with immigrants the way you described, Greece is in trouble"
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All our life was a trouble.... we love troubles.. we got used of them... lol lol

With 10% of our population being ILLEGAL immigrants (not only Albanians).... the biggest percentage in EU... and with criminality jump higher than any other country (50% of the prisoners of the penal code are immigrants).... with US plans for changing of borders in Balkans.....what makes you believe that we're not in trouble now?

This thread is misusing information trying to deceive people that have no idea about the situation in Macedonia. Albanian language in Macedonia is used in the Parliament, on the national TV and in every commune where Albanians are more then 20 or 25 percent I cannot recall. Albanians have state elementary, high schools and universities in Macedonia. By the way Greek government is against private use of Macedonian and Albanian. People that speak Macedonian and Albanian in Greece are afraid to speak their language even on the street.

This trash from Akritas is all crap. I found this from another forum:

"akritas07-29-2007, 01:24 PM

FYROM PM against official use of Albanian language
(http://www.network54.com/Forum/231923/thread/1185735819/last-1185735819/FYROM+PM+against+official+use+of+Albanian+language)

(Skopje, DTT-NET.COM)-The head of FYROMacedonia's government Nikol Gruevski has rejected calls for complete official use of Albanian language in the country thus sparking different interpretations of the 2001 Ohrid Agreement and May Agreement on the issue with the main party of Ethnic Albanians.

http://www.dtt-net.com/en/index.php?...e&article=2506".

First of all, NATO, UN, and EU are the only ones using the acronymn "FYROM", until the name issue is resolved. By changing certain words in a supposedly authentic news article, that negates the articles authenticity. An official news bureau would not apply NATO, UN, and/or EU rules on its staff. So if you go to the dtt-net website, all references to Macedonia is in fact "Macedonia". Akritas, you are out of line, and a big fat fake.

Secondly, as far as I know from my Albanian friends, the government of Macedonia has an official language, and that is Macedonian. This in no way indicates that Macedonia "rejects calls for complete official use of the Albanian language". Matter-of-fact, I understand that many Macedonians speak Albanian as a second or third language because there is simply many Albanians in Macedonia. This is not saying that Albanians do not want to learn Macedonian. I am sure the Albanians of Macedonia do speak Macedonian, too.

I went to the site where the article supposedly came from. Could not find it. I did a search for the content and came up with two results. One is the website I indicated. The other is the post from Akritas on another website. I venture to say that this article originated from Akritas the fake.

For everyone's information, most news agencies (except Greek) will call Macedonia by it's constitutional name, and will not apply NATO, UN, and EU rules concerning the name issue.

If you see a news article that is not Greek using the acronymn FYROM that was posted by some of our well known Greek nationalists, do a search on the article using the first sentence, and using the constitutional name, for verification.

In areas where Albanians are a majority most of the Macedonians speak or understand Albanian, but don't speak fluently. Most of the Albanians except for the Kossovo refugees speak or understand Macedonian, but don't speak fluently. Some of the Macedonians that don't live in areas settled with Albanians learn Albanian because they want to now it. It is as simple as that. I have nothing against Albanians using Albanian in the ares where they are a majority or a significant minority, but you cannot expect that Albanian will be official in all of Macedonia since in some areas there isn't a single Albanian and you cannot expect that all of the Macedonians will speak Albanian, because even though Albanians are a significant percentage of Macedonia's population 25,17 percent one must not forget that Macedonian is spoken as a native language by 65 percent of the population and as second by most of the other 35 percent including the Albanians.