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OH MY GOD i can't believe it with these Greeks - Gjergj Kastrioti greek?

August 25 2008 at 3:55 AM
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This is absurt and unbelieveable i never thought greeks would proclam even Gjergj Kastrioti greek when some guy named MARIN BARLETI wrote his biography at the same time Skenderbeu lived. He is from region os Kastrati in northern Albania and every person in Epir at that time was Albanian and so was conbsidered King of Epirus. He was Catholic Christian. One of his brothers was an Albanian orthodox priest.
Being ORTHODOX doesnt mean that everyone is GREEK OR SERB its a religion goddamnit you little kids doesnt have to do with bloodline.
Matter of fact i am ORTHODOX my self. Anyway

Kastielon(illyrian) Keshtiell(albanian, Castro(greek)= CASTLE has nothing to do with KASTRATI REGION OF NORTHERN ALBANIA or SCHANDERBEG.
KAFE,Coffee,Cafea whatever Automobile, Telephoneetcof these industrial words are globally used doesnt mean they are one people only a stupid ignorant would believe that,so don'ttrust these people thinking that way. ALexandria of Egypt was greek right? lol.

100 years from now the world world will get the American moto or way and expand their lifestyle was one(only if USA fails to do so). all the people of the world are Americans?

WHy is it that 80% of greeks look like arab? why tell me that you greek person that comes here with falso claims why do youlook like ROMA people? and don't come here to show me a couple of pictures saying Muslim muslim this and that. at the time of scahndewrbeg there wasntany muslims in Albania only in 17th century.

FACT: all modern greeks are not ancient greeks they are jews and other middle eastern who settled there thats why they all look the same.greeks are liars and have a real bad heart.why is it that everytime i see a greek they look like MAGYPS and they are scared of albanians, because they can'tbe matched with superiority they are like hienas who claim everything greek when they themselves are not greek.

Albanian language has ancient greek word ( which modern greeks dont udnerstand), latin words,Slavic words, and turkish words. DO the math you stupid ignorant greek
Hellenic period
Roman Period
Slavic Invasion
Turkic Invasion

And yes we are the only indo eruopean language in the world who is the oldest that is why every so Proclaimed greek GOD and goddes makes sense in Albanian to Thetis-Deti(sea) Zeus-Zot. Aphrodites _aferdita=Nearday(morning star=beauty), oddysuss-Udhes=traveler etc.



\this is Stupid when greeks deep down in their heart know the truth thats why you need to change your name in greek to get a passport and in erpirus region albanians that were forced to be greek and others expelled (see Chameria) and thats why only 40 years ago Arvanites ( B in greek corresponds to V) seethemselvesmuch of a greek now when the whole world know who they are and they way they dress.
When Albanian national costumes where made by greek goverment early last century their greek heritage thatdoesn thave to do anything with them because albanians dress for everydays life like that.

Epirus WAS ILLYRIAN,THEY WERE ILLYRIAN SPEAKING PEOPLE UNTIL greek colonizations.
If you know history greeks were from where modern Lebanon is today PHOENICIANS, just like how they got it from Messopotamians and Near east civilizations.

"The name Phoenician, through Latin punicus, comes from Greek phoînix, often suggested as "Tyrian purple, crimson; murex"

Thats why when they got in Balkans during greek dark ages many greeks historians has discribed the mainland of non greek habitants speaking barbarian languages just like people in north in Macedonia because macedonians didnt speak greek and no fact known wahtesoever is know for them to speak greek only to their assylumation in late Classical period when they started to addopt greek alphabet just like greek alphabet waspheonician alphabet.

and Herodus made is very clear of the 2 people living in Athens in that time one being hellenic that migrated there and another pelasgic which were homogenus and spokealanguage different from greeks.


We know for afact ALbanian language is Illyrian and illyrians were in Balkans before greeks



"The classification of the Pelasgian language(s), known only from non-Greek elements within Greek, the extent to which Pelasgian was a single language, and the relationship(s) of Pelasgians to prehistoric Hellenes are long-standing questions that have not received definitive answers.Overall "Pelasgian" has come to mean more broadly all the autochthonous inhabitants of the Aegean lands and their culture before the advent of the Greek language"

HORODUS:
"What language however the Pelasgians used to speak I am not able with certainty to say. But one must pronounce judging by those that still remain of the Pelasgians who dwelt in the city of Creston above the Tyrsenians, and who were once neighbors of the race now called Dorian, dwelling then in the land which is now called Thessaliotis, and also by those that remain of the Pelasgians that who settled at Plakia and Skylakē in the region of the Hellespont, who before that had been settlers with the Athenians, and of the natives of the various other towns which are really Pelasgian, though they have lost the name. If one must pronounce judging by these, the Pelasgians used to speak a Barbarian language. If therefore all the Pelasgian race was such as these, then the Attic race, being Pelasgian, at the same time changed and became Hellenic, unleart also its language. For the people of Creston do not speak the same language with any of those who dwell about them, nor yet do the people of Plakia, but they speak the same language as each other. By this it is proved that they still keep unchanged the form of language which they brought with them when they migrated to these places"
















UGLY DARK LOOKING GREEKS stopfalsifying antiquety go back to Israel you ugly black people. ALL of you are black, But im not racist, imnot going to post picture i see you in reality 5'2' people


PS:Religion separates people , only ignorant people believe different(don't trust these people they are not worthy to believe. (Islam-Christinaty is the same they all are a jewish defacto

RELIGION OF ALBANIANS IS ALBANIA - nothing is going to seperate us.
He whom puts religion to demostrate a flase claim and tell lies is the devil himself transformed into an angel.
40 percent of Islam and Quran is the same as Bible. so for saying **** muslims you saying **** christians and you are saying it to your selfand tell me why would people believe you after? when everything you greeks say is muslim this muslim that.
Your countries are like Afganistan they through stones at you like in 2nd century. Come to albania where muslims marry christians with no problem whatsoever because we all see ourselves as Albanians.
Anddont come her ewith that TURK bull**** things even turkish people are whiter than you greeks. Greek fucc their own daughters and sisters they have no honour. talking aBOUT RELIGION please, IT'S LIKE SAYING "I LOVE GOD BUT HE DOESNT EXIST"




    
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August 25 2008, 4:01 AM 

Yes Veneticum , Dardania, Dalmacia were STATES oftheir own but became later and guess when? at the same time Epirus became a state of its own. They were all Illyrians who created multi states as far as in Italy

 
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August 25 2008, 8:32 PM 

Yes I know this book written by Barleti it was recently translated in Macedonian, and yes Kastrioti spoke Albanian and he had good cooperation with the local Slavic population, there is a letter from Gjergj's father written to the Archbishop of Ohrid written in Old Slavonic. Greeks can never realize that you can be Orthodox and not be Greek, just like some of them cannot understand many things, but that is their problem. They think that everything that is and was valuable on the Balkans is Greek.

 
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August 28 2008, 5:13 AM 







“MOURNING, we are in full mourning,
anguish, ill luck all over,
women covered with black veils.
Grief you have given to the kinship, oh kinsman!
He belongs to our stock, Ah! , Oh!
He was torn away from us, what misfortune.
But in order which guilt, this disaster?
Gelid is his golden throne, Ah!
Of his fame we were proud, Oh!
Grief, grief in the whole world,
tearing him away, we are beheaded!
This grief struck us suddently, ah!
Alas, who knows for what fault? Oh!
Our kinsman he was,
Why ever did he struck us with such grief?
In Grief and despair, ah!
tears choke us, Oh!
He, who kept up our stock,
for what fault, now does he extinguish it?
Ah! Oh!
Oh! precious he was,
knife wounds, oh misfortune,
he suffered so much!
In Silence, never uttering an insult!
Ah! Oh!
You, kinsman, you have beheaded us, Oh!
You, great affliction you have given us, Ah! Oh!”











Pelasgians, ancient people, the ancestors of all the Indo-European people, was people whom it knew to illuminate and it taught the culture to Europe, about they it is known little, or better to say nearly null.
The’ alphabet of this mysterious people is called Pelasgic since to that civilization laughed them, DIODORUS SICULUS one informs to us that the PreHomeric poets expressed themselves just with that alphabet, and from the same source, we learn that, at least 10 centuries AC. That same writing was used. Moreover Diodorus reports that they were the first to bring theyr alphabet in Italy, as well as the rest of Europe, practicing opportune adaptations and improvements.
Also Pliny the elder confirms the information of Diodorus.

Virgil (Aeneid, VIII, V. 62-63), writes:

“It is said that the first dwellers of our Italy were the Pelasgians”.
From the ancient authors we have learned that before the arrival of the Greeks, those territories were known as Pelasgia, the several sources inform to us moreover, than the Greeks they learned from the Pelasgians not only the art of the working of the metals, of the construction of walls, but they learned, perfecting it, their way to write and making their divinity own.
Several populations, species the pelasgic one, have given to the country their name
Pausanias (Arcadia, VIII, 1,4,6) reports:
“The Arcadians tell that Pelasgus was the first born in Arcadia. Since Pelasgus became king, the country was called Pelasgia in his honor”
Pindar (Carminia, Fragmenta Selecta, I, 240) tells:
“Bringing a beautifull gift, the earth made the first human being, the “Divine pelasgus”, be born in arcadia, long before making the moon”
Pindar’s narration could appear as poetically, or even mythically, inspired, thought long later scientists have proved that the moon is formed by fragments separated from our globe.

Homer mentions the Pelasgians between allied with the Troyans, (Iliad, II, 840-843) and narrates that Achille prayed “PELASGIAN ZEUS OF DODONA” (the Iliad, XVI, 223). Homer also mentions them also like “PEOPLE of Crete”, (Odyssey, XIX, 177).
The Eforo historian reports of a book of Esiodo that attests the tradition of people of the Pelasgians in Arcadia and develops the theory that was people of warriors from a “native land” that annexed and had colonized all the regions of the Greece in which the ancient authors they make signal they, from Dodona to Clay to the fine Triade in Italy, where their very recognizable takeovers are anchor in the time of the Elleni and in are tightened relation with the “Tyrrhenian ones”.
The characteristic structure of the masonry of the citadel of Atene has made that all the constructions in squared blocks and without the use of malta have not had the name, of “pelasgian masonry” exactly as sometimes they are said “walls giant (ciclopiche in italian language)”, that is constructed from the Pelasgians, those who taught to the Greeks the methods of the constructions, the way to write and the culture.

We could continue to the infinite with citations of the Pelasgians, in order to always finish in any case and that the civilizations in general terms begin with the Pelasgians, but the main question that rises to this point is: They still exist? If yes, who are they today?
Nermin Vlora Falaski, in its book “Linguistic and genetic heredities” (written also in English language), has deciphered to registrations Etruscan and Pelasgic with the today’s Albanian language. This would try that the Albanians (Descendants of the Illyrians) are the modern descendants of the Pelasgians, one of most ancient civilizations that lived Europe. Here of continuation we will propose some translations of Falaski.
Therefore, in Italy it exists the locality of the TOSCHI (the Tuscany), therefore as the Toschi lives in the “Toskeria”, in southern Albania.
Note: Many authors support that the Tosk word, or Tok, is the “DHE” synonym, a lot that today in Albanian uses indifferently word “DHE” that that TOK in order to say “earth”.
In Tuscany an ancient city is founded from the Pelasgians, that is Cortona, (Famous is called, in Albanian: COR=harvest, TONA=nostri, that is “our harvests”). From the immense and fertile plain of the Val di Chiana it is approached a fast hill, in top to which a beautifulst castle is found, transformed in archaeological museum. In means to a large epigrafic patrimony, there is also one particularly beautiful registration and interesting, on a sarcophagus bearing the following inscription.


Ire, ira, in albanian has the positive meaning of “pride”, while in english, as well as in latin, italian and in old french stands for “anger”. It could make one deduce that ira is a reason of pride in war, becoming negative in peace. However, in albanian the word is rather obsolete. In Sanskrit, latin, spanish, the word ir, ire, means “to go”, But with the slight change from ir to iras, in sanskrit means “hostile behavoiur”. The several sources inform to us that the Greeks learned from the Pelasgians not only the art of the working of the metals, of the construction of wall, but they learned, perfecting it, their way to write and made their divinity own, like as an example DE-MITRA (Dhe=earth Mitra=womb, that is the GODDESS MOTHER EARTH), let alone AFER-DITA (Afer=near, Dita=day, later call Venus from the Romans).
The Pelasgians, that were called also “The Sea People”, since was skillful and free navigators, they called ILLYRIA (ILLYRIA for the Romans) their homeland: witch meant the country of the free people (lir=free), as a land spanning from the mediterranean to the Danube.
The Root of the word lir can be traced in the following languages: Pelasgo-illyrian (Liri), Etruscan (Liri), Albanian (Liri), Italian (libertà), French (Liberte), Latin (libertas), English (liberty), Spanish (libertad), Rumanian (libertade), Portuguese (liberdade).
In Italy, and precisely in the Lazio, it exists the Liri mount, let alone the Liri river, and Liri Fountain. This name has been conserved during the centuries in several the Mediterranean European countries, a lot probably through the “irradiation” of the several illiric tribes, like the Etruscans, the Messapi, the Dauni, the Veneti, the Piceni, etj, Everyone of these names has meaning in the Albanian language: ETRURIA (E=of, TRURIA= Brain, country of intelligent people), MESSAPI (MES=center, HAPI=open, country of open people), DAUNI (dauni, separated), to VENETI (name to you deriving from the goddess VEND, native land, place for excellence), PICENI (PI=to drink, KENI=you have, place with abundant water).
The “Pelasgian” name can be reported to Albanian word PELLG (deep sea), like in Italian “pelago”.

This is a illiyric registration, dated between the III-II century a.C, than currently it is found in the archaeological museum of Durres, in Albania:


is important to notice that the language of this registration is so similar to the today’s Albanian, than with difficulty can be thought that it goes back more than two thousand years ago.
Normally, the more ancient inscriptions are written from right to left, sometimes continuing alternately from left to right, namely in a bustrophedic way, often without interruption between each word. the Durres documents we have just seen, is formulated from left to right, revealing a relatively recent engraving and the writing always went from left to right.
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In going to the search of new registrations, from the Aegean to the Atlantic and accidentally in Egypt and beyond, in the attempt to not only discover their content, but also in order to verify the monogenesis of the languages that comes supported from eminent students, in the Archaeological Museum of Atene it has been met a stele much ancient one that contains a written up bustrofhedic registration with the Pelasgian alphabet and expressing a heartbreak mourning. This stele has been discovered in the island of Lemno and, in general terms, it comes considered much difficult and little every convincing attempt to comprise the content of that writing. And it is for that till now little are seriously engage to you to melt that enigma. We begin showing this Stele of Lemno, attributed to YOU century a.C. (but from some characterized studious more ancient deduction also):


But, observing with attention the registration, since the first words, we can see that it have been recorded in the pelasgo-illyrian language, like in the rest of the euro-Mediterranean territories, and are therefore obvious that comprises only through the Albanian language, this is the translation


This entire bustrophedic registration, where the letters “TH” and “H” can be read continuously, in order to represent sighs and sobs, as we would today make “AH” and “OH”, contains tormenting complains funeral, obviously for the dead person that had been also a great hero, like demonstrates to the repeated pride of all the relationship. We more rewrite hour the steel in a melted shape adapting it to the modern era:

“MOURNING, we are in full mourning,
anguish, ill luck all over,
women covered with black veils.
Grief you have given to the kinship, oh kinsman!
He belongs to our stock, Ah! , Oh!
He was torn away from us, what misfortune.
But in order which guilt, this disaster?
Gelid is his golden throne, Ah!
Of his fame we were proud, Oh!
Grief, grief in the whole world,
tearing him away, we are beheaded!
This grief struck us suddently, ah!
Alas, who knows for what fault? Oh!
Our kinsman he was,
Why ever did he struck us with such grief?
In Grief and despair, ah!
tears choke us, Oh!
He, who kept up our stock,
for what fault, now does he extinguish it?
Ah! Oh!
Oh! precious he was,
knife wounds, oh misfortune,
he suffered so much!
In Silence, never uttering an insult!
Ah! Oh!
You, kinsman, you have beheaded us, Oh!
You, great affliction you have given us, Ah! Oh!”
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The word “ZI” (or “SI”) appears also in this inscription, very short but remarkable for tenor, found at Feltre (Northern Italy).


It must hold always present that the linguistic wealth of the people is the only incontestable archives documentary, species when other tests lack, but is above all the main testimony of the human creativity.
Several scholars uphold the thesis of the monogenesis of the languages, particularly during these last 2 centuries, when the progress of the communications has given to the persons the possibility to move with facility and of having contacts also with populations in remote zones much fastly.
Alfredo Trombetti, Elia Lattes and Francisco have been cited the Italian students Disgust which is valid supporters of this thesis, beyond that to the illyric origin of the italian populations. Beyond to cited authors, there are other scholars, let alone German, Austrians, French and English who assert the illyrica origin of the italian populations. A particular merit goes to prof the Zacharie Mayani, teacher to the Sorbona, which in years 1970 has published 3 large volumes, in order to support that the Etruscan language it can be understand only through the Albanian language. In order to verify the truth of its discovery, it has studied the Albanian, before to Paris, therefore one has oed in Albania, in order to perfect itself. The three volumes publish to you from Mayani are entitled: “Les Etrusques Commencent a Parler”, “Les Etrusques Parlent” and “La fin du Mystère Etrousque”.
In any case, he who for first has launch and diffused the idea of the monogenesis of the languages it was Sir William Jones (1746-1794), famous orientalist that to the end of its intense life knew 28 languages. However, in our days, the valid supporter of this thesis is prof. the Colin Renfrew of the university of Cambridge, who in his work “Archeaology and Linguistics” published in 1989, he writes:
“The main reason of the publication of this my job is in order to put in evidence that the archeologists of these last years, in order to recompose the past has not taken in the due consideration the witness of linguistics”.
in our globe, there is always a horizon, beyond which it is not possible to see. Therefore, as far as the antiquity, our Divine horizon are the Pelasgians. Being be they the first inventors of the phonetic writing, we cannot deny that the true culture begins with the Pelasgi, as however we have learned from several authors of the antiquity.
For the time being, let us put aside the linguistic correspondences and let us read some inscription found from the Aegean to the Atlantic with the samewords with a common meaning, such as Yj, Arno, Reze etc.
We may begin with words found in Albania, all pelasgo-Illyrian origin. On this little temple of the III century B.C found and kept in the city-state of Apollonia (west-Albania) we can read:


The Child entrusted to this temple, now is deified. Let it be for the Good!”

After to have read this illyric registration, than, without a doubt, it corresponds to the Modern Albanian, concentrated the essence of just meant, hour we read of it an equally beautiful other, of Durres, than as the previous one narrates of Deification (YJNERIM) and that it belongs to III the century a.C:


Etruscans called themselves Resa. Let us now recompose this inscription in its dynamic modern form “Arno, (Creator), as you for us are in the stars, you deserve be commemorate by all the Etruscans (Resa)”.

The word “ARNO” today we find it alone in the Albanian language with declassed meaning of “restorer”, but, to restore one damaged what, means “to recreate it”, therefore the interpretation of the word very many ARNO in this and other registrations of the Etruria task is valid.
Moreover, there is the very famous river ARNO who bathes, between others, the flourishing city of Florence: and we know that the civilizations always are been born close to important rivers.
YJ (stars): neanche this word has been found in other languages, unless the Albanian, also being much common one in epigrafici documents of the antiquity, from the Aegean to the Atlantic. YJ, YJNOR, HYJNERON are coming from terms from the pelasgo-illirico-Etruscan. In fact, they are found some in abundance in their registrations, but today they are used alone in the Albanian language. From this it can be deduced that the several shapes of YJ could be of origin proto-Indo-European. And it can be arrived to this conclusion taking in consideration all the other Indo-European languages that do not call “YJE” the stars, but: Sanscrito (Astra), Italian (astro, stella), Spanish (Estrella), Portuguese (Estrela), English (Stars), Greek (Aster) Persian (Setareh), German (Stern).
In the Iberian Peninsula registrations much similar to those of the Illiria are found and of the Etruria, recorded with the pelagic alphabet and are always interpreted through the Albanian.

We have mentioned the registrations with word YJE and derivatives. Now, in order to remain in the topic, between the other registrations of the Portugal of the South, discoveries to first of XVIII the century and up to now never deciphered, we see this epigrafe that it appears on the stele n.22


 
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