iGENEA DNA analysis centre claims that Croatians and Bosnians have 40 percent of Illyrian genetic heritage, as the Albanians have about 20 percent.


Post from iGENEA to 01.04.2008
"Wie Illyrisch sind Albaner wirklich? "

Das kann man so nicht sagen. Der Anteil an Illyrer ist in Albanien geringer als in Bosnien oder Kroatien, wo der Anteil bei etwa 40% liegt. Demzufolge könnte man sagen, dass etwa 20% der albanischen Bevölkerung illyrische Wurzeln hat.

Inma Pazos
iGENEA
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Post from Neugierig to 02.04.2008
Wer sind die nächsten Verwandten der Albaner und Kos-Albaner und was haben die meisten für eine DNA?

Post from iGENEA to 04.04.2008
"Wer sind die nächsten Verwandten der Albaner und Kos-Albaner und was haben die meisten für eine DNA? "

Die Herkunft der Albaner kann man so nicht festlegen. Das kann man bei keinem einzigen Land. Die häufigste Haplogruppe väterlich ist aber I1b oder E3b und mütterlich H. Das genügt aber nicht um die Herkunft zu bestimmen. Wir haben hier eine Vermischung von Makedonier, Illyrer, Phönizier, Hellenen und Slawen. Doch auch Kelten finden sich in kleiner Masse wieder.

Inma Pazos
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Post from illyr to 26.06.2008
Doch dachte ich Albaner wären die Nachfahrer der Illyrer...
Scheinbar nur 20% könnte man sagen

Post from iGENEA to 27.06.2008
In der Genetik konnte das albanische Profil an sich nicht entdeckt werden. Wir finden in Albanien einfach illyrische, slawische, phönizische, u.w. Wurzeln. Die Illyrer waren sicherlich einer der ersten Völker, aber die slawischen Gene z.B. obwohl diese von den Reitervölker stammen und diese somit nur Einwanderer waren, haben sich in Osteuropa sehr stark verbreitet. Es muss nicht heissen, dass die ersten Siedler heute noch den Grossteil des Genpools ausmachen. Wenn ein Einwanderervolk viele Kinder hat und diese z.B. länger überleben, dann breiten sich diese Gene stärker.

Inma Pazos
iGENEA
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http://www.igenea.com/index.php?content=132&st=25

Well your sort of right. Croations came from Iran. Bosnians (who were Serbs till the Turks got to them) and Crno Gorci are descendents of the Illryians. Albanians came to the Balkans from Azerbijan.

What language do Croatian speak?

Funny how teuta only appears everytime GreekSlav appears? How many monikers do you have CIA boy
ROFL
Croations speak SERBIAN! Tell me what can be traced back longer the kingdom of Serbija or Croatia LOL?

Forget all the bullsh*t about we "believe" said people are connected to Illyrians,Dardanians etc etc blah blah blah all means nothing!

Well off I go now my weinersnitzel is getting cold
ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

Story after story you pathetic and confused shiptar

Teuta I get your point, but I was not saying that Croatians and Bosnians are more similar to the Illyrians linguistically, I was talking about genetics, and those was not my words, I was quoting from the international organization iGENEA from Austria. Oh and by the way Croatians speak Croatian, a language from the South Slavic subgroup of Slavic languages, in the past it was known as Serbo-Croatian or Croato-Serbian, but since the after the brake down of Yugoslavia, they are two mutually-intelligible languages.

Hi Teuta. Greetings from Frankfurt. Hope that you are doing well.

By the way, Amerinako, how are things in Utica, Michigan? Hope it's not too cold there yet.

The CIA boy!

Why would it be cold?

This is a bit off topic, but Happy Ramazan Bajram to all the Muslims in Albania.

Hello Demosthenes,

you do seem to be the inhabitant of the world...never settled:)

I am doing fine...listening to what's happening in White House all day long!
Sad situation!!!

"Funny how teuta only appears everytime GreekSlav appears?"

Hello Commi...how are you? Strange how you never forget to appear when Greekslav and I appear!

Thank you Victor for wishing Albanians the Ramadan

I do understand your point too; it is just that I don't find accurate this genetic analysis...
I am puzzled by the audacy of some people saying Albanians are not Illyrians and yet, there are some Illyrians genes found on them (where did they find Illyrians?!); also, if Albanians were not Illyrians but there are Illyrians genes on them (supposing they found Illyrians and got the code), then, Croatians may not have been Illyrians and yet, they have Illyrians genes on them...!!! There is something I fail to understand here. If Albanians have those genes (even though less than Croats), how did they get them? As a result, we have to be on the same page: either Albanians are Illyrians, then Croatians are Illyrians too...but the strangest fact is that Serbs have very few Illyrian genes as well!!! So, Serbs were Illyrians too!!! The point is though, that in Albanians there are also Greek genes (not in Croatia I think)...so...I am puzzled...

Hey GreekSlav looked up your internet(IP) address and it comes up in some brothel/internet cafe in homostan. Pedar jedan!!! You are as Greek and Slav as you are brave, NONE what so ever. Coward
Told you before if I ever had the chance to meet you I'd f*ck you up! So just sit their on your labtop and shut the f*ck up and only cowar behind the screen!

"Hello Commi...how are you? Strange how you never forget to appear when Greekslav and I appear!"

Hey, that' right, Teuta. I do not notice Komi until we both are around. He must like us.

You are out of your mind mate! How many personalities do you have?
The only thing I woud like to do with the both of you is put you out of your misery.

Look Teuta, you cannot totally identify Ancient nations with present ones. Since the Illyrians are an ancient nation it means they do not exist today. Of course, their genes and linguistic influence does exist today in the Albanian people, but you can't say that the Albanians are Illyrians. They are simply Albanians. Further more, the Greeks use even the same name as the Ancient people, and so do we, the Macedonians, but that doesn't mean that we are the same with those people. I hope you understood me. Albanians got a lot of things from the Illyrians, but you can't say that they are Illyrians because then it would mean that there is no difference between them.

Victor,

of course today's Albanians are not Illyrians as well as old nations are not the new nations they are today. The problem with Albanians (differently from most nations in Balkan), is that they have a so-defined "strange" language that appears...nowhere in other parts of the world...and, language is the last to die.

Hi Teuta and Viktor. You bring up two very good points and I believe both are correct. The Albanians are quite the fascinating peoples and one of the oldest peoples in the world with a language older than most.

Albanians definitely have strong ties to the Illyrians. Most historians of the Balkans believe the Albanian people are in large part descendants of the ancient Illyrians.

Albanians are proud of their Illyrian ancestry.

Hi Teuta and Viktor. You bring up two very good points and I believe both are correct. The Albanians are quite the fascinating peoples and one of the oldest peoples in the world with a language older than most.

Albanians definitely have strong ties to the Illyrians. Most historians of the Balkans believe the Albanian people are in large part descendants of the ancient Illyrians.

Albanians are proud of their Illyrian ancestry.


Okay shiptarci, MOST historians DON'T believe Albanians are Illyrians.

Albanians are quite fascinating? If you consider being terroristr and petty crooks fascinating.

Do you even understand how dumb of a statement you just made? First of all, Albanians are a mixed bunch just like everyone in the Balkans. The purest are the Slavs, when they came into the area all these "GREAT" civilizations (more like liitle clans" were destroyed chased out or ascmilated into Slavic ways. Wonder why. If Illyrians were so great were is the alphabet, any writing anything, just give me something. Ah yes thats right you cannot because some Austrian gave you your history, why didn't you know who you were before this? Because you weren't and won't be!Secondaly modern day Albanians consist of different kinds from different regions so please dont try to group them all into one. Are there some Albanians who might have Illyrian blood, maybe the ones in the North. You can not even try to connect the northern and southern tribes, two different clans tikvo.

But Amerikanko...most nations have their differences between North and South! Just look at Italy...Do you know that a Sicilian cannot even be understood in North Italy...

Teuta, I guess some people just can not treat Albanians with respect. I think they were taught this ignorance from someone. Too bad. They are missing out. Don't you agree?

When I was in Greece a month ago, I visited the Albanian man that helped me when I was hit by a car in Athens. Just got a really big bruise. But he was totally surprised that I came, and we had a big party that night. It was totally awesome. And not one Albanian stole anything from me. Go figure, Amerinako. Quit trying to figure them out. They know all about your kind and have figured you out from the get-go. Believe me, they have.

Teuta, I did not like the orme so much. Tasted like juice from saurakraut. But the raki was excellent

I know raki is excellent....especially made of grapes...but what is orme?!

I do not know, Teuta. But I hope I spelled it right. All I know is this tastes like saraukraut juice. I did not care for it.

But Amerikanko...most nations have their differences between North and South! Just look at Italy...Do you know that a Sicilian cannot even be understood in North Italy...

Understood and agreed with. This is the problem I when I hear all Albanians say they are Illyrians. Completely foolish

And what you are speaking of I believe is dialect, I am not speaking of dialect but people in themselves. We know Sicilians are mutts, they have Greek,Albanian,Italian,Arabic,Negro and God only knows what else in them.

Look demon, you always have some story, ALWAYS. This one is good too. You were in Athens and got "rear ended" by an Albanian man who took you to his apartment and "took care" of you (wink wink). Bro you are as fake as you can be.

You need not tell me anything about Albanians, I lived amongst them for over twenty years! What I speak of isn't what I have heard, yet what I have lived. Are all Albanians bad, no. Are the majority of them bad,YES. I could care less if you want to believe it or not it's the truth and we all know that old saying "the truth hurts"

P.S. Stop continuing conv erstions between yourself demon/teuta

Amerikanko wrote:

"The purest are the Slavs, when they came into the area all these "GREAT" civilizations (more like liitle clans" were destroyed chased out or ascmilated into Slavic ways."

How would you explain then that all ex-Yougo countries "assimilated" by the great civilization of Slavs speak Serbo-Croatian...except Albanians, being those in Kosovo or Albania?!

As per knowing the Albanians...in 20 years you haven't known them at all. Your ability to know people lack something I am afraid...here is my answer:are all Albanians bad? NO. A few of them are nationalists but the majority are good and honest people. You've got to try to know them better. The same thing I can say for all people in Balkan. In general they are much better than any other people in Europe. (including naive Serbs)

PS:

Amerikanko,

why don't you try to come to the new Illyria forum that Adamin created? You'll feel very comfortable there....

In general they are much better than any other people in Europe. (including naive Serbs)


Where do you get off writing such rubbish?

I can post HUDNREDS if not THOUSANDS of articles that show what other European countries think of their Albanian refugees
Ireland,Italy,England,Germany,Sweden,Switzerland,Croatia,Serbia,Macedonia,Greece,Romania,Germany Teuta you have to get over it. People that have met Albanians know who and what they are=TROUBLE

You can go out of Europe and it still applies. America and Canada have HUGE problems with ethnic Albnanians. WHY?

For the small percentages that they make up in said mentioned countires they have a pretty larger than normail percentile in the prison stats. WHY?

For you to also say Albanians are honest hard working people is TOTALLY uncalled for. Not true 150% fictional statement.

The Serbs were naive, they were when that commie bastartd Tito let them into Kosovo, you remember when Enver Hoxa let them all out of jail and into Kosovo. Time will come though when the tides will change and all that is true will once again be true. Our Faith demands this.

As for the langauage no one truly knows were you stole it from, although you can hear ALOT of Slavic and Hellenic undertones in it, not to mention Roman as well. How can you claim you speak Illryian when they didn't even leave anykind of writing, no alphabet nothing,nada,zilch,squat,zip,zero.............

I honestly feel you came from Azerbijan, their are more FACTUAL things that tie you to this region than the mislead notion some Austrian put in your heads.

Albania is filled with Slavic toponyms,hmmmmmm oh yeah you were their first and telepathetically saw Slavic names and used them. Yep makes alot of sense. YEp yep yep and Bosnians taught the Egyptians how to build pyramids. Why are Bosnians and Albanians truly stupid people???
I might not like Croats because they are evil, and personally don't like Slovenians because I feel they are closer to the Krauts and the hell with them also but at least I can say they are smart people, Bosnians and Albanians are PROVEN uneducated inbred sociapaths!

What is the purpose of san Illyrian forum?
Who can show any connection to being an Illyrian?
What were Illyrians?
Just because some vlahos herded some sheep on a mountain does not make them Illrian.
To be Illyrian is nothing anyways, means absolutley NOTHING. Doesn't matter who once may have lived their and occupied the land (like a couple of hundred people really matter) take America for example we all know who originalyy held America and now look at them living on reservations and mean absolutely nothing to Amercia. Sort of like the "people" that mostly occupy kosovo now, they have turned it into a slum. Methodija was GORGEOUS, hands down one of the most perfect places on the earth, now 40-50 years later a complete slum. Dirty "people" those Albanians that illegally occupy it. The days of mass murder are not to far away, Czar Lazar and Obraz have ALOT of soldiers ready to die, what once was will be once again!
Listen Teuta all these LITTLE worthless clans were either ascmilated into the Hellenic tribes (which they should never have) or chased away by the mighty Slavs. These are proven statements, no skin off my back as to who I am or what I am. What I am can be treaced back, what you are is always and will always be never proven!

Albanians might make good grape rakija (rraki), but we know who makes best grape rakija. Skenderbeg is a nice cognac though. It is true that the Albanian language is very strange, and many people wonder from where it came. Might be Illyrian, I don't have knowledge on that subject, so I can't comment about it.
Cheers

"Why are Bosnians and Albanians truly stupid people???
I might not like Croats because they are evil, and personally don't like Slovenians because I feel they are closer to the Krauts and the hell with them also but at least I can say they are smart people, Bosnians and Albanians are PROVEN uneducated inbred sociapaths!"




Well, is there any nation you like?!

...or is it Greece?

It's okay, amerinako. Manic depression and bipolar disorder is not something to smile about. Just stop cheeking your meds and you can have an easier time communicating with us.

Teuta, I know who Amerinako's true identity on these forums. Once I get undisputable evidence, I will expose him/her. It will be a grand day.

From the "CIA boy".

OH NO what will I do the shiptar knows who I am. Well All I can do is pray you have enough courage to actually show up to my home and ring the bell. I will be sitting here in fear waiting till you find me out.
ROFL

Heres a couple of hints on who I am shiptarci

"Teuta, I know who Amerinako's true identity on these forums. Once I get undisputable evidence, I will expose him/her. It will be a grand day.

From the "CIA boy".

Demo,
why bother...I am not that much curious...

Well, is there any nation you like?!

Yes quite a few to be honest, in no particular order:
Serbia
Greece
Russia
Macedonia
Montenegro
Belarus
Ukraine
Poland
North Korea
Iran
Cuba
Venuazala
These are the ones that come to mind, if I think of any more I'll let you know.
The countries I hate the most, in no particular order besides the first one:
Albania
Bosnian people not country because country does not exsist
Isreal
Germany
America
Great Britain
Hungary
France(thanks to Sharkozy)
Anything from South or Central America
I knows theirs ALOT more just can't think of them

Where is China in your list Americanko? Do you like them? A question: have you ever been in Albania?

As for the langauage no one truly knows were you stole it from, although you can hear ALOT of Slavic and Hellenic undertones in it, not to mention Roman as well. How can you claim you speak Illryian when they didn't even leave anykind of writing, no alphabet nothing,nada,zilch,squat,zip,zero.............
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hahahaha...Amerikanko,

yes, your anger makes me laugh...calm down and understand that the language is evolved. From Illyrian to Albanian (one theory) and you must start living with it. Also, I am puzzled you don't understand that an old civilization of 1200 years ago can be disappeared or assimilated by the other civilizations Greek-Roman that conquered the entire world. The big question is: where were Slavs at this moment? And furthermore, I haven't noticed any Roman arena of Gladiators in Serbia (as it is in Durres) or any Apollo temple in Serbia....they were Greek-Romans...and so strange, Albanian language has a lot of borrowing from these two languages (old Greek-Latin actually)...weren't Albanians suppose to be in contact with those languages to borrow them? Same as Serbo-Croatian with Russian...almost the same...most probably Slavs at the time of Great Civilizations were somewhere in the steppes. Oh...yes....I forgot...you do have some antique heritage: the Monasteries that (as they say) if you dig, you'll find old Catholic churches or Mosques...sorry...really sorry for you...because you will have to live with it and you just can't.

I have looked at the mapping of the DNA among the European nations and The Greeks, Italians, Albanians, Sicilians and Sardenians groups very close together. The Croatians,Bosnians, Serbians, Bulgars, groups together and is close to the Russian DNA.

Now you do not have to be a genious to figure out that these ancient people that lived in the area were related, and we know from the ancient Greek writtings the closenes of the ancient Illyrians to the ancient Greeks, to the Thracians, to Phryghians and Latins. This similarity persists today!
The Albanian language is a lunguage that is in its archaic form. We know of about 60 Illyrian words today that have survived and the current Albanian words for the same items even if few derive from them.

Now ancient Illyria was extended up all the way to Croatia but the Greeks when they fought against them in antiquity, they named them as Illyrians and lived Northwest of Epirus where today is Albania.
I also have not heard of any mass movement of people of Ajerbaijan to the area in history. But if that were true wouldn't the Albanian DNA today resemble the one from Ajerbaijan? But it does not.

So when someone makes an assertion that the Croatians and Bosnians are more Illyrian than todays Albanians he better have information beyond what the ancient Greeks and Romans wrote, and DNA evidence that trully makes it plausible. So far I have not seen such evidence that combined with the linguistic, the historical and DNA mapping elements can make such an assertion.

Later!

Kostas the Macedon ("Always Guarding Thermopylai"- Kavafes).

I CANNOT READ YOUR BULL****,YOU ARE SO STUPID.CROATIANS AND BOSNIANS(SERBS OF MUSLIM RELIGION)ARE SLAVS,FROM RUSSIA AND POLAND,UCRAINE AND BELARUS,CROATIANS LANGUAGE IS SERBIAN,BUT THEY DEFORMED IT BECAUSE THEY DONT WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING WITH SERBS