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Israel's policy perfectly proportionate

January 5 2009 at 12:47 PM
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Israel's Policy Is Perfectly 'Proportionate'
Hamas are the real war criminals in this conflict.

By ALAN M. DERSHOWITZ

Israel's actions in Gaza are justified under international law, and Israel should be commended for its self-defense against terrorism. Article 51 of the United Nations Charter reserves to every nation the right to engage in self-defense against armed attacks. The only limitation international law places on a democracy is that its actions must satisfy the principle of proportionality.

Since Israel ended its occupation of Gaza, Hamas has fired thousands of rockets designed to kill civilians into southern Israel. The residents of Sderot -- which have borne the brunt of the attacks -- have approximately 15 seconds from launch time to run into a shelter. Although deliberately targeting civilians is a war crime, terrorists firing at Sderot are so proud of their actions that they sign their weapons.

When Barack Obama visited Sderot this summer and saw the remnants of these rockets, he reacted by saying that if his two daughters were exposed to rocket attacks in their home, he would do everything in his power to stop such attacks. He understands how the terrorists exploit the morality of democracies.

In a recent incident related to me by the former head of the Israeli air force, Israeli intelligence learned that a family's house in Gaza was being used to manufacture rockets. The Israeli military gave the residents 30 minutes to leave. Instead, the owner called Hamas, which sent mothers carrying babies to the house.
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Hamas knew that Israel would never fire at a home with civilians in it. They also knew that if Israeli authorities did not learn there were civilians in the house and fired on it, Hamas would win a public relations victory by displaying the dead. Israel held its fire. The Hamas rockets that were protected by the human shields were then used against Israeli civilians.

These despicable tactics -- targeting Israeli civilians while hiding behind Palestinian civilians -- can only work against moral democracies that care deeply about minimizing civilian casualties. They never work against amoral nations such as Russia, whose military has few inhibitions against killing civilians among whom enemy combatants are hiding.

The claim that Israel has violated the principle of proportionality -- by killing more Hamas terrorists than the number of Israeli civilians killed by Hamas rockets -- is absurd. First, there is no legal equivalence between the deliberate killing of innocent civilians and the deliberate killings of Hamas combatants. Under the laws of war, any number of combatants can be killed to prevent the killing of even one innocent civilian.

Second, proportionality is not measured by the number of civilians actually killed, but rather by the risk posed. This is illustrated by what happened on Tuesday, when a Hamas rocket hit a kindergarten in Beer Sheva, though no students were there at the time. Under international law, Israel is not required to allow Hamas to play Russian roulette with its children's lives.

While Israel installs warning systems and builds shelters, Hamas refuses to do so, precisely because it wants to maximize the number of Palestinian civilians inadvertently killed by Israel's military actions. Hamas knows from experience that even a small number of innocent Palestinian civilians killed inadvertently will result in bitter condemnation of Israel by many in the international community.

Israel understands this as well. It goes to enormous lengths to reduce the number of civilian casualties -- even to the point of foregoing legitimate targets that are too close to civilians.

Until the world recognizes that Hamas is committing three war crimes -- targeting Israeli civilians, using Palestinian civilians as human shields, and seeking the destruction of a member state of the United Nations -- and that Israel is acting in self-defense and out of military necessity, the conflict will continue.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123085925621747981.html

 
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January 6 2009, 8:01 PM 

It has been forgotten too quickly that Israel removed all the Jews from Gaza Strip in 2005. I'd just told in those days what would happen. This operation was planned all along. What a coincidence that it came across new year rush.

Israel has been using many prohibited bombs as well as biological bombs in Gaza which make this war quite unproportional. But who cares? They have been destroying Palestinians just like they annihilated Philistines.

 
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January 6 2009, 10:07 PM 

Israel was the occupying power in Gaza. The Jewish people of Gaza were removed because the Palestinians wanted this. Israel gave them their State and all they used it for was a launching pad for their missiles and rockets.

Israel tried to give them what they wanted to create peace there. But I am sure that the Israeli government knew it would not work because there's no pleasing Hamas, since they want the utter destruction of Israel. I have worked with the Israeli's and I can tell you that they are thorough, and complete with planning and anticipating. The USA could even learn a thing or two from Israel.

No, it was not a plan of Israel. It was just anticipated that Hamas could never stand for peace with Israel. It is Hamas that screwed up, not Israel.

 
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January 6 2009, 10:29 PM 

Here is an article from the BBC concerning the pullout of Gaza by Israel. The Palestinians were happy to see them go after 38 years of occupation.

But if you did not know, the Palestinian people were disappointed when HAMAS became the political power of Gaza. Many Palestinians that I have spoken to told me of their concerns about Hamas. They wanted peace, and Hamas screwed its own people by launching thousands of rockets and missles into Israel.

But of course, there are many things people do not hear because they do not want to. All they see is what the media wants to show them. And the media in the west is an extention for terrorist propaganda. I will give you an example. Take a look at the BBC News on-line and everyday they have been covering the Gaza conflict by showing a Palestinian man carrying a wounded child. Everyday for a week, a different photo with a different man (?) and child. So when people see this all week, what do you think they will listen to?

Hamas should be punished for what they have done to their own people.

 
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January 6 2009, 10:29 PM 


 
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January 9 2009, 12:03 AM 


Alan Dershowitz has become perhaps the most prominent spokesman for Israeli interests.
He has also been caught plagiarizing and putting forth lies (say it aint¹ so!) in his books, such as his ³The Case for Israel². Norman Finkelstein has done a great job of skewering Dershowitz with regards to this. But here is some dirt on Dershowitz, a Jewish-American Zionist, that he has thus far successfully kept out of view from the general public due to his formidable litigious talents and disproportional access to the Zionized US media.
According to Jack Leavitt, Dershowitz¹s first wife found out that he was having an affair with another woman. His wife became enraged and brashly took many of Dershowitz¹s important legal papers from cases he was handling and tossed them into the street to be scattered by the winds to and fro.

In response, Alan Dershowitz allegedly pummeled and beat his wife up so badly that she had to be hospitalized. He then took custody of their two young sons, divorced and stripped his wife of financial support except for the bare minimum allowed. She then killed herself by jumping off the Brooklyn Bridge. Oddly the fall is 135 feet and it is very rarely fatal. Dershowitz, like others of his ilk, are basically soulless creatures. They don't believe in a God, have no remorse or conscious. At their center they believe in food, sex, money, power, and their superiority.
There was no place for nuance here. It was black and white, good versus evil, and any Jew who supported Israel was pure evil, deserving of torture, violence, and whatever fate Hitler and Goebbels deserved. "Dershowitz and Gibbels, just the same, the only difference is the name"
P,S.
According to a report in the Columbia Spectator, Finkelstein (at the foregoing event) characterized the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as a "contrived and fabricated controversy"; he declared that "regardless of intent, Israel is in effect guilty of state terrorism"; and he alleged that the "only difference between Israel terrorism and Hamas terrorism is that Israeli terrorism is three times as lethal."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/01/a_question_for_my_friend_alan.html
http://palestinianpundit.blogspot.com/2009/01/how-nutty-professor-misstates.html
http://www.ucpress.edu/books/pages/10505.php
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2204
http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgun/2009/01/dershowitz-on-proportionality-in-war.html

 
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January 10 2009, 1:49 PM 


 
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January 12 2009, 9:14 PM 

Please make yourself aware of the fraud of the media, especially in regards to the current issue in Gaza.

Watch this short video which gives a good overview of the situation at hand:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kiyyp9cZdY0&feature=related

How Israel gets away with murder
Indifference to criticism of the bombing and invasion of Gaza is the result of indulgence by the West
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/


 
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January 15 2009, 4:44 PM 

They were removed from Gaza but they were not removed from West Bank. There are many massacres in Israel's history and Palestine has not been developed since 60s.

 
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January 26 2009, 3:10 AM 

Gaza under cloud of white phosphorous

This is not the first time Israel has been accused of using phosphorous bombs in crowded civilian areas in Gaza. Several years ago, doctors in Gaza reported seeing strange wounds on those injured during attacks by Israeli drones, which constantly monitor Gaza from the air.

Awful as it is to have white phosphorous raining down on you. These weapons can injure civilians from blast and fragmentation over an area with a radius of as much as 300 meters. That's roughly the equivalent of taking three football fields, lining them end to end and then rotating them around the point of the shell's impact. In the densely populated residential areas of Gaza, where Human Rights Watch saw these shells used on Jan. 15, they can cause extensive civilian casualties. Such use clearly violates the laws-of-war prohibition of indiscriminate attacks because the shells strike military targets and civilians without distinction.

White phosphorus, classified as a 'chemical weapon' by the US intelligence, is an incendiary material that causes horrific burns, severe injuries or death when it comes in contact with human skin.
Under the Geneva Treaty of 1980, the use of white phosphorous as a weapon is prohibited.


The Times of London also photographed an IDF artillery battery firing white phosphorous shells. The shells are color coded and labeled with the IDF term for white phosphorous--"exploding smoke." They are also marked with the code used by the U.S. manufacturer of white phosphorous--M825A1.



Their human instincts and values are twisted in the most barbaric sick way

Israel admits using white phosphorous in attacks on Gaza
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article5575070.ece

http://vodpod.com/watch/1288707-israel-attacks-un-aid-compound-white-phosphorous-shells



BBC - UN accuses Israel over phosphorus

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7831424.stm



 
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January 27 2009, 3:41 PM 

Sderot is just an half century town. Now that it threatens lives of Israeli citizens, then why dont they abandon that place? I guess there are much securer places for 19,000 people in Israel. Some Turkish villages were abandoned against PKK attacks. But it must be logical to use some citizens as bait to destroy the entire Gazza and kill their civillians.

 
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January 31 2009, 12:57 PM 

Erdogan gets a hero's welcome.

ANKARA: Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan yesterday stood by what he said during a heated debate with Israel's president as the Jewish state sought to calm tempers, saying bilateral ties... More....

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4&section=0&article=118735&d=31&m=1&y=2009


 
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