<< Previous Topic | Next Topic >>Return to Index  

Islam's attack on Democracy

March 31 2009 at 7:02 AM
No score for this post
Epicurus  (Login panos01)

 
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE52P60220090326


Congratulations to the enemies of freedom, democracy and human rights. The friends of bigotry, hatred and oppression.

A Machiavellian law has been passed by several Islamic nations which effectively allows them to punish blasphemy. A law which will allow Islamofascists in places like Pakistan to punish or even murder; apostates, heretics, journalists or authors who question historical facts in the Quran, women rights activists, homosexuals or protesters for exercising the most important right we have - the right to free expression.

Islam's assault on religious freedom and freedom of expression goes too far and attacks us in our deepest place. I hope Democracies in the West do not tolerate this anti-freedom and anti-human rights injunction and make a stand against these enemies of reason and human decency.

I have a copy of the Quran in Arabic which I was gifted which I now have inserted a Mohammed-Danish-cartoon-bookmark to symbolically show that no belief is so sacred that it has the right to suppress my rights because its feelings may get hurt. We live in an age of diverse culture and faith and you cannot demand both the freedom from oppression and the right to enforce it, which is exactly what this law does.

Out of consolation for the millions who will be oppressed under these bizarre and anti-democratic laws, bellow are links to materials which these law would seek to criminalise and enforce punishments of barbaric and anti-democratic proportion.

Mohammed Images:
http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/jyllands-posten_cartoons/

Evolution is a fact, Creationism is myth:
http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs.html

Gay and Lesbian Rights Lobby:
http://glrl.org.au/

Atheist Sites:
www.Richarddawkins.net
www.scienceblogs.com/pharyngula

Errors in the Quran:
www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Contrad/External/haman.htm

Christian site explaining fallibility of Quran:
http://bibleandquran.com/quran-word-of-god9.htm


 
Scoring disabled. You must be logged in to score posts.Respond to this message   
AuthorReply

KanuniSS
(Login KanuniSS)
Turkey Forum Mods Group

Re: Islam's attack on Democracy

No score for this post
April 2 2009, 4:27 PM 

Inhibition of free - "insulting anyone's belief" - expression is the right step.

 
Scoring disabled. You must be logged in to score posts.
Finious
(Login Finious)

Re: Islam's attack on Democracy

No score for this post
May 6 2009, 4:04 PM 


Don't judge each day by the bad harvest you reap, but by the subtle seeds you plant.

 
Scoring disabled. You must be logged in to score posts.
Finious
(Login Finious)

Re: Islam's attack on Democracy

No score for this post
June 5 2009, 11:28 AM 

Even though many atheists don't care if people believe in God or not, others feel obligated to fight what I have often heard them label as "oppressive religious bigotry." To this end, many of them are active in politics, social groups, the internet, and even use lawsuits to change society into a more atheistic temperament. They often consider Islam as a threat to freedom, common sense, and a good life. Consider this quote I found on an atheist website at atheists.org:
"We are constantly being overrun by people trying to get their ticket to Heaven at our expense, and if we dont stand up and be counted we will lose the very freedom we hold most dear; freedom of thought..."
This kind of statement is quite common in atheist circles. It is inflammatory, illogical, and paranoid. Many atheists I've spoken to tell me that we cannot think logically, that we are deluded, and that we believe in myths.
This isn't the case with all atheists, as I have had very good conversations with some of them, but ridiculing attitudes are surprisingly prevalent and strong. Character assassination, half-truths, and out-of-context Quran quotes are typical tools used by many of them in attempts to make Islam look bad.
Now, I am not trying to dismantle the atheist position with a generic character attack aimed at them. I am only making an observation. In the majority of my dealings with atheists, I have encountered great arrogance, rudeness, and condescension. Atheists have told me that religion is only a giant con-game designed to get peoples' money. Following are some of their comments:

"I do not want to be bound to archaic mythologies. This is the 20th century."
Islam is an oppressive system used to control and manipulate people."
"Logic demands that religion be proven wrong."
. "We are free thinkers and not bound by outdated and oppressive myths."

Atheists often imply that reason is best used by them and not by Muslims who, as many say, need psychological help for believing in God. This condescending attitude is a fountain for derogatory comments. I get the impression from atheists that they are so convinced they have the truth that no other options are available to them, and that if you don't agree with them, you're not smart. Of course, they will deny this and say I am being ridiculous, but this is what I have observed right.
Consider some of the terms atheists use to describe themselves: "Free thinkers," "Free from religion," "Rational," etc. They use these self-descriptive terms in juxtaposition to statements of Muslims as religious bigots, losers, and brainwashers. On the atheist.org website.

Are these the statements of tolerance, impartiality, truth, and sound judgment? Not at all. It seems to me that if the atheists who authored the above quotes were in power with their views of religion being cruel, evil, and unreasonable, would they then either imprison the 'offenders' or legislate complete and total annihilation of all things religious? Who would then be full of hatred, malice, and bigotry? It is something to ponder. Does atheism really teach freedom? No. It teaches bondage for its adherents and for those who disagree with it.

VIDEO: Who Wrote the Bible?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbC_Bg1H-BI&feature=related

What is the Origin of Man?
http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/MB_OM/default.htm

 
Scoring disabled. You must be logged in to score posts.
Finious
(Login Finious)

Re: Islam's attack on Democracy

No score for this post
June 17 2009, 12:55 PM 

Islam and Democracy:

Western intellectuals should take more seriously than they do the possibility that there are limitations to their brand of democracy. Consider the ever-increasing role that money plays in determining who can run for public office in the United States, let alone who can win. Money is so important in U.S. politics that it may in fact have more influence than the people themselves in choosing those who govern. Or consider in how many countries Western democracy has failed to prevent racism toward blacks, or anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism, in fact, is a European product that could never have come about in the Islamic world, which is built on belief in the three main messengers of divine revelation--Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed, peace be upon them.

Although most Western writers speak of democracy as a universal set of values, Western deeds tell a very different story. The French, for instance, behave democratically in France itself, but not in Algeria, where they have committed some of this blood-drenched century's most horrific atrocities. This has also been the case with the U.S.and Serbia - government's policies in parts of Central America, Europe and the Muslim world.

On certain moral questions, moreover, Western democracy appears--not just to outside critics but to many Westerners--to be running amok. It is hard to see why lax Western mores that weaken or destroy the family--that most crucial of all social institutions--should be exported to the rest of the world under the banner of democracy. Indeed, I cannot foresee any Islamic country under any circumstances accepting certain social practices that until recently were not generally accepted in the West either, but have now become common there.

Why on earth should the entire world convert to Western norms? Would it not be better to preserve a fruitful pluralism in the world, by which nations can express themselves in different ways, while respecting the basic values that are essential for all human beings?

The only way that secularism can be kept alive in the Islamic world is by local Muslim dictatorships, supported by Western power.

Of course, secularism is not the the only obstacle confronting the cause of political liberty in the Islamic world. We had our own problems even before being dominated by the West. Islam may have been misused and may continue to be misused by corrupt and tyrannical rulers intent on legitimizing their policies by giving them what appears to be religious sanction. Here, indeed, lies one of the most formidable challenges facing contemporary Islamic thought as it strives to outline a regime that is Islamic but also representative and accountable. There is no doubt that we can benefit from the rich experience of Western democracy. I will go further: we Muslims not only can, but must learn from the West if we are to overcome the many problems prevalent in the Islamic world. But for this to be possible we need a dialogue between peoples in which the respective identities and interests of each are accorded equal respect. Muslims know this well, and are ready to extend the hand of respect to their Western counterparts. The question is: Are those in the West ready to do the same for Muslims? http://www.globalwebpost.com/farooqm/writings/islamic/democracy.htm

 
Scoring disabled. You must be logged in to score posts.
Current Topic - Islam's attack on Democracy  Respond to this message   
  << Previous Topic | Next Topic >>Return to Index  
Create your own forum at Network54
 Copyright © 1999-2009 Network54. All rights reserved.   Terms of Use   Privacy Statement