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Flipping Propaganda heading over the airwaves

by Crispy Critter

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2009/04/08/abc-gun-special-dismiss-idea-using-guns-self-defense

God, I cannot believe this is the country I grew up in.

Posted on Apr 9, 2009, 4:40 AM
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Yes, the media is a tool

by J

If you want to change things first you have to get the population thinking in the direction you want them too, then when everyone is properly brainwashed, you just do it.

Posted on Apr 9, 2009, 10:31 PM
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The media

by Ruby Red

helped change the direction of that thinking by their actions and some inaccuracies that they printed. But of course most news people and reporters won't agree with that observation.

I am really against this. Here is a quick little video sand a bunch of links to back it up.

http://www.breakthematrix.com/index.php?q=node/34557

Posted on Apr 8, 2009, 8:28 AM
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Vehicle muncher strikes again!

http://www.wcnc.com/news/topstories/stories/wcnc-040209-mw-suv_attack.97e48e12.html

Posted on Apr 6, 2009, 12:28 PM
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I can see a track(s)...

by Moderator

But can't make them out...looks dog but I'm not sure...seems the photographer would have taken better photos of the tracks unless of course he wanted this to be another mystery car attack...

Posted on Apr 7, 2009, 7:59 AM
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I was out hilking

by Crispy Critter

At Mount Diablo, in the coastal range near San Francisco today.A very pretty place. Tonight I started looking up some stuff form there and found this report from 1823.

A very low-grade of Indians used to inhabit this region. Dr. Marsh described
them as being very hairy and full-bearded, with short, broad faces, wide noses
and mouths, thick lips, extremely low foreheads; the hair of the head nearly
meeting the eyebrows, and a few having a strikingly Mongolian eye. They wore no
clothing and lived like the Diggers. Epidemic diseases decimated them, and
civilization completed their destruction. Their music was described by a graphic
writer thus: "A thousand cross-cut saws filed by steam power, a multitude of
tom-cats lashed together and flung over a clothes-line, innumerable pigs under a
gate, all combined, would produce a heavenly music compared to it!" Of their
filth he says: "Talk of the thousand stinks of the city of Cologne! here are at
least 40,000 combined in one grand overwhelming stench, and yet every particular
odor definable;" and oh, such convulsions as they would have in their dances,
with the sweat streaming from every pore!

Does any of this sound familiar to anyone?

Posted on Apr 5, 2009, 10:27 PM
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At first Scott...

by Monster Hunter

I thought you were describing Pelosi...but yes that is interesting information...I looked a bit early this morning without any success but keep digging...I know there is more information about this clan of people that very few are familiar with...

BTW...the writer mentioned digger...hope the thief doesn't get wind of it...he'll call the man a damn racist...one thing I want the thief to understand...you prank with any of us at anytime I will not forget...it would be to your best interest to keep your jaw from flapping...next time I'll not only put up Byrnes letter how you stole his pictures along with a copy of your cancelled check...I'm going to send it to these morons who do these documentaries that call you an expert...

BTW...I know you have seen the posts about the Patterson/Gimlin and Green films....you're biting at the bit to write some filth as if you have made a major discovery....I see one word on your whatever the hell you have and I'll begin my crusade...and it ain't going to be nice...

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Happy Easter!

by Ruby Red

To everyone associated with this great research organization and to friends who frequent its message board. May you all have a safe and blessed day.

Ruby Red and Silver Fox

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Yannetti arrested for Shea-Porter's stupidity. Pitiful.

by Anonymous

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Hum. Ahem. That was me.

by Cindy

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Yeah I knew...

by Monster Hunter

figured you had a moment of CRS...no big deal...

Posted on Apr 5, 2009, 4:16 PM
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Just curious,

by Lonewolf

as I have followed the Patty gunshot/murder theory I just do not see a lot of the evidence as it has been presented.

My favorite is the "dog reflection in the bloody pool" To me the liquid in the animation is obviously clear not red.
The small branch in the pool shows no red, and the reflection of the dog would be red toned or pinkish in the reflection not white as it appears in the animation.

Back to my curiosity, MH are you or MK planning on having a scientific, independent lab analyse your photos, videos , and theories?

My opinion is just that my opinion. As an avid wildlife and landscape photographer, I do know a little about photos, and photo enhancements. With that said, I am by no means an expert, but would love to see what an expert would say, if he had nothing to gain by his conclusions.

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Below is your favorite...

by Monster Hunter

I made sure I included Titmus with his rifle to satisfy the folks who think these men are on a casual stroll...

No, I have no intentions of having anyone look at these stills, animations or video...this is MKs train so I'll let him rob it the way he sees fit...I have shown the animations of wounds to friends who I know are hunters and woodsmen...yes, they understand guns, wounds and killings...

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It is what it is

by M.K.Davis

First of all, I'd like to establish that I am an independent lab. Everything that I have done, in the way of looking at this event has been independently done. Not under anyone elses auspices. Science is is the "truth" in its simplest form. It is a means to an end, and not the end itself. It is a way to explain the natural world around us. This is a wonderful thing, unless it becomes a tool to complicate and cloud issues. This is certainly possible and does take place often. The first modern person to do this, was Ales Hrdlicka, the first "anthopologist" at the Smithsonian museum. Hrdlicka was practitioner of homeopathic medicine, ( home remedies ), who had an interest in anthropology. He billed himself as a medical "doctor". He traveled abroad, and returned with a certificate in "anthropology", and applied for employment with the Smithsonian. He was not hired, and he worked for "free" for a year with I think,at the American Museum, in New York. He then used that experience to get on with the Smithsonian, and was able to beat up the competition, and make it to the top job as head over the newly formed dept. of anthropology. When I say, "beat up" I mean Mr. Hrdlicka prided himself in the use of the high sounding latin jargon and titlements that were common in scientific circles. In those days, such jargon was used among the knowlegeable, but the layterms were used for the public, for the edification and so that lay people would understand. Hrdlicka broke ranks with that and took the jargon straight to the public with no regard for the layman. He became a master at it. This had the effect of making him sound above questioning and without knowing what it was that he was talking about, few would challenge him. Mr. Hrdlicka was a believer in "Eugenics". He believed that the intellectual potential of man could be determined by physical characteristics such as the "shape" of the head. He classified people according to the slope of the forehead. The shortest, and so, in his opinion, the least intellectual were what he called "brachycephalic" people. He hid his prejudices behind such jargon, and was able to sell his policies and beliefs to the United States in their efforts to solve the problems with Native Americans of the day. This resulted in the mass slaughter of Native Americans and their treatment as "less than human" for the survivors. Mr. Hrdlicka was able, under the auspices of the Smithsonian, to collect the skeletons of thousands of Native Americans, in order to "prove" his Eugenicist ideologies. Why did he need "thousands" of skeletons??? Because his ideas were "WRONG", yet...he was able to sell these notions... which many became policies....using SCIENCE. Not real science, as was originally developed to simplify and give us understanding, but a pseudo-science of his own invention that was designed to confuse and overwhelm. The Smithsonian now has over 18,000 Native American skeletons, and they are not under any law or compulsion to give them back. Mr.Hrdlicka had the very last Native American to live wild and independent, Ishee's brain cut out of his head at his death, and delivered to the Smithsonian. This was in spite of Ishee's request not to be autopsied. The brain floated in a vat of over 30 other brains, until anthopologist Orin Starn was able to help Native American groups get it back for burial with Ishee's other remains. The Smithsonian at first lied and said they did not even have the brain, until correspondence was produced between Hrdlicka and anthropologist Alfred Kroeber about the brain being removed and sent there. They then gave in and returned it.
So...do you have the hiccups?...or do you have "spasmodic jerking of the diaphragm"? Do you step out of the tent?...or do you "extricate" yourslelf from your temporary abode? Remember true science is a means to an end, and not the end itself. When the "science" becomes the point of fascination in a persons speaking engagements, then there is mis direction, and the facts become disparate and disconnected, and incongrous.
I have presented what I have in its very simplest and easiest to understand and factual way. It is mostly in imagery, which, as you know, is worth many,many words. It is "ALREADY" in its SIMPLEST form. As for me... I feel as if I have been taken to the prison gate with 20 dollars and a bus ticket, and the clothes on my back, and told " Mr. Davis... you are a free man." M.K.

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my opinion

by scott from philly

is not with any of your work....

It is simple....I am just at a loss at how seemingly these guys, had at least A body (and probably several), and could have ended the mystery 40 years ago, instead of making it more mysterious....

They got what we want, a body of indisputable evidence, and then covered it up....

Makes no sense to me how they have (the surviving ones) made money off of books, showing of the PG film, etc, and they pitched the mother lode which was the body....I just dont get that part....instead of covering it up, if they were afraid of murder charges, hell make up the story they were attacked by 8 ft 600 lb monsters....just seems for a supposed "intellectual" crew, they werent very smart about whole thing

Me personally, I could care less about making a nickel off it should I have the good fortune of being in shooting range, with the proper artillery again.....My satisfaction with being able to touch what some say doesnt exist, and been told personally im nuts for saying I saw is good enough

keep the work up MK.....pressure will cause the ones that were there to crack sooner or later

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You, go, M.K.

by Ruby Red

You don't owe anyone an explanation for your science; however, I enjoyed reading about the pseudo-scientist and what he got away with for so long. He will have a lot of 'splaining to do' before the Great White Throne.

But to you, I say--keep doing what you are doing, and in the way you are doing it! When people question your science which produced your conclusions; just smile! Offer explanations, if you must BUT only IF you want to!

Happy Easter to you and yours!
Ruby and Silver

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Lonewolf always asks antagonistic questions.

by Sasquatch Hunter

In my honest opinion.
You couldn't show him a pic of a dead deer on the side of the road without him making some sort of implication that it was a dog!

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Being skeptic is healthy...

by Monster Hunter

I see nothing wrong in questions concerning any evidence...but let us not turn a blind eye when we inspect evidence...

BTW...I am not attempting to convince anyone of anything....what I put up I do voluntarily using my description of what I can see, read from reports and from years of experience...I'm not after any one man nor is MK...what we want is simply the truth...IMO...the answer to the Sasquatch was solved over forty years ago but yet we still spend our time to solve a myth that has been solved...

There are reasons a corpse wasn't presented to science...what were the reasons?...John Green cancelled Yakima...why?...yes, I understand he has health problems but he had the same problems when he accepted the invitation...I'll not be surprised to see Gimlin refuse any public appearances since he'll know the questions concerning his involvement will be asked...

The evidence that puts Patterson, Gimlin along with Green's party is the bloody dog print...no doubt over looked by the editor of the film...

[linked image]

Titmus...Green...along with the dog and handler...

[linked image]

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Sasquatch Hunter,

by Lonewolf

contrary to your opinion, I am only asking questions to better understand the evidence presented.
I agree with MH that being skeptical in this area of research is healthy.
I have a lot of respect for both MH and MK for their efforts,research, and the patience that they both show me and other posters that ask questions.

The very fact that MH is cordial enough to answer my questions tells me he has an honest belief in his research and could really give a damn to disrespectful doubters that are out to discredit him and MK of which I am not.

I will continue to follow the evidence as it develops and hope that MH and MK present their evidence as they see fit when they deem appropriate.

Whether or not I or anyone else believes 100% of the evidence presented is irrelevent in the big scheme of things. I just hope that the whole truth comes out.

P.S. I can usually tell the difference between a deer and a dog.

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Thanks Lonewolf

by M.K.Davis

...for giving me a break on this one. It has been hard on me these last few months when this was all coming together. Sometimes, when a person looks hard enough, they find what they are looking for. Sometimes it's not what is expected either. That seems to be the case here. I'll catch second wind shortly I hope, and more will be accomplished, but I think it's important for the sake of those who are interested, that they get a look at what's on the table now. Some people appreciate what they see, and others spurn it, but it is not my decision to make. Here it is...for one and all. The PGT film with explanation. M.K.

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MK, some of us really appreciate what you've done

by DonDon

Good ole boy from Mississippi has done good!!!!

Posted on Apr 7, 2009, 12:59 PM
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Yep

by Ruby Red

M.K. knows how to 'git 'er done!' Keep up the great work.

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work

by scott from philly

is excellent....those who bash you elsewhere will owe you a big apology when real story comes out, and with pressure, it will
Fake suits and bad documentaries wont do it, and havent....Evidence that film was tampered with, and analization the ind you have been doing, kind of hard to refute it

it's what in the hell was in the minds of the crew there when it happened that has me baffled

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Fear I'm guessing

Figured as much but

by DonDon

was curious

Posted on Apr 6, 2009, 2:42 PM
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I'd forgotten all about those chickens....Dam CRS.. n/t

by Grumpy

n/t

Posted on Apr 6, 2009, 1:10 PM
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Hey Rob up in MI...

Korea now has a missle and nukes, and they hate us!

Hmmm, lesee, Korea has the backing of China and they frequently give them financial aid. They now have rockets capable of reaching the good ole U.S. of A, and they have nukes. Plus they hate us. Have for a very long time. Heck, my daddy fought them.

This is not good folks. Not good at all. Another cold war? Probably but the difference between the soviets and the Koreans is huge. The soviets wanted leverage, Korea wants respect and attention.

If you go into a fight looking for advantage or leverage you can carefully place your weapons to scare the other guy into conceding. Which the USSR always did. It was like a chess game of advance and retreat.

But if you go into a fight wanting attention and respect you will make alot of noise and shoot up everything. It gets you attention and then you demand respect cause you can 'shoot up everything'.

Korea doesn't want to be a SuperPower, they want to be noticed. They are tiny, Heck Rode Island could take them.
They whine to their Chinese brethren and act all big and bad with China right next door. They want to show daddy they got balls. That is a dangerous combination when you give the kid a super weapon.

If you give your 10 year old a 308 or shotgun you have to teach him to respect it before you let him fire it. Otherwise he is likely to put someones eye out, or their whole head. LOL

China doesn't give Korea the respect lessons, they just give them money to go buy shotgun shells and assume they will play nice. How long do you think that 10 year old is gonna wait before he goes shooting up all the little furry animals in the yard? Not long I suspect.

Korea wants to make a point. They want to show off. They want to tell everyone, "My daddy let me shoot the big gun!"

So... be afraid, be very afraid.

J.

Posted on Apr 5, 2009, 7:40 PM
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You know what is even worse?

by Crispy Critter

Our President differed all action to the mighty UN.

They called an emergency 3 hour meeting yesterday - and could not even agree on how to word a very stern letter to NK.

But we need to get used to it, from here on out the UN will be dictating our policies.

I would prefer we cut the UN off and toss them out of the country. But than I am a trouble maker.

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It will make me feel ssooo much better when the UN

by Cindy

sends NK a strongly worded letter after NK nukes us.

Posted on Apr 7, 2009, 1:20 PM
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I expect China is actually pretty much in control of NK.

by Cindy

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Kissenger - never our friend

by Crispy Critter

http://www.infowars.com/kissinger-again-shills-obama-and-the-new-world-order/

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And China owns

by Ruby Red

about 365 billion (or million; CRS is pretty bad) worth of our debt. That wonderful little $600 dollar re bait we got last summer was from China; the gov't. borrowed the money. Sounds like we're in trouble to me. I subbed at a high school the other day in a Speech Class. The thing I thought interesting was when a girl said that we needed to find away to start paying China back...she's right. I can hear the slave chains clanking from way over there, although I hope it never comes to that. The U.S.A. that most of us baby boomers grew up in, loved and remember fondly is IMHO gone!

by Ruby Red

n/t

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How would you like to run into one of these?

by Crispy Critter

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1166367/Fanged-deer-savages-dogs--April-Fool-joke.html

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Must be mean little devils...

by Monster Hunter

most deer would run from dogs...

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Wow. Who would have thought? The fang file

by Cindy

at the bottom of the page said they could retract the fangs too. Militant biting deer in Britain that can best a Jack Russell. Scary.

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Something MK mentioned last night on Artist First...

by Monster Hunter

The Vancouver Sun, a Canadian newspaper, sponsored John Green and his expeditions to Bluff Creek...

This would make the paper responsible for any actions taken by Green and his party excluding Patterson and Gimlim who showed up at Bluff creek unaware Green and associates were there...also excludes Titmus if he was not under any type of contract nor receiving funds from the paper...

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Here is a question

by Rob Anderson

If they killed one or more creatures what the hell did they do with carcasses?

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Good question Rob...

by Monster Hunter

If they were skinned...more then likely they buried the corpses...and yes they had access to equipment...as a matter of fact in Gimlins report he had to get a back hoe to pull his truck/horse van out of the area after it began a heavy rain...

In a mountainous region a heavy rain would wash or distort any tracks in a creek bed but yet Titmus claimed he went back nine days after the film and cast tracks...why would he wait nine days?...he lived less then thirty minutes from the area...

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Or as I said in an earlier message

by Ruby Red

the de-fleshed bones, recovered with their skins are in someone's private collection; possibly somewhere in China or Japan. It's as good a guess as any, I think.

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My best guess is this

by Rob Anderson

They killed them for the sake of killing one. If they were truly interested in taking one for scientific studies they should have announced their spectacular find. But in an era of the Leakeys making headlines in Africa and human evolutionary tree being expanded by leaps and bounds, then if they killed one, it could blow up in their faces. I would do a hard press on all living witnesses and try to assertain the truth no matter where it leads. For me, if these creature are Gigantopithecus blackii then they are in direct violation of laws concerning endangered species. If they knew this going in then they could be prosecuted under those laws. The idea of Chinese or Japanese purchasing one is ludicris. China has its own verson and its closer to the buyers than the Pacific Northwest.

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Not necessarily Rob...

by Monster Hunter

Rob wrote:

The idea of Chinese or Japanese purchasing one is ludicris. China has its own verson and its closer to the buyers than the Pacific Northwest.

I would think most countries have their version of a BF...however the hide and head would be damn near priceless since no one we know has one...people with more money then we can imagine have some weird collection habits...

Many people collect mounts of exoctic animals that are not hunters...I think that is rather weird but then again I'm not an eccentric millionaire...damnit...not even close...

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Kind

by Sliva

Of a long shot but, what if a larger power found out and confiscated said carcasses. Then put the fear of God into these guys. Hate to through big brother into this. Not like if their wives worked for the CIA that they would blow her cover, or take away their children under trumped up charges, ruin them, make them into junkies and through them to the streets or worse. These things just don't happen. just a thought.

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Feds confiscating carcasses

Sort of the same thing I thought about the Georgia boys and their so-called bigfoot body.They may have had one and the government stepped in and took it away.In the beginning it seemed they couldn't keep their mouths shut about what they found,even knowing it may mean losing their jobs over it.They really may have had a body.And they probably had big dollar signs in their eyes until the Feds came calling and took their future away!Oh no, now what do we tell everyone now that the body's gone?! (Just my opinion.)

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Nellie, I just can't agree with that.

by Cindy

The Georgia boys were goobers, not too bright, obnoxious (unlike myself, of course) and never had a body.

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by Cindy

Not in America but close enough.

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/homepage/Naked-men-line-Bristol-school-help-sex-education/article-863186-detail/article.html

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tea bags cause ruckus...lol

by Crispy Critter

http://www.wmur.com/news/19068098/detail.html

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re:tea bags

Yep, thought that was gonna happen!LOL

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That's exactly why I labeled mine...

by Monster Hunter

but living in an area that still has pony express there is a good chance they haven't received them yet...

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Elected officials

by J

Someone needs to introduce a law (it would never pass) that makes elected officials work for minimum wage. First you'd see minimum wage go way up, but then no one but dedicated folks that really want to help people would take the job. Crooks want a big take and the government is the best way to make money in this world. No politicians are starving or trying to make ends meet.

LOL
Or make them work on a case by case basis. They do good, they make more commission, they do bad, they are out on their behinds. Hehehe (Kinda like we work)If we do a crappy job we get fired, if they do a crappy job it's just politics and they keep going.

Okay...now back to your regularly scheduled message board...

Hehehehe
J

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Hey there Don Don

by Torrey

I will be traveling all through southern Miss during turkey season. Is there any chance that I could meet up with your friend from south central Miss.

I would love to spend a few nights in the area that you and he are talking about. Jim or Bobby should be able to give you my phone numbers and or email , ( I hate to put them out over the internet ). Thanks , and good luck !!

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hey bud, you've got my email don;t ya?

by DonDon

shoot me an email there. When you gonna be in the area? Maybe we can meet up down there and do some good snooping

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For anyone in Arkansas

by travellor

Just a quick question for anyone living in northwest Arkansas... does anyone know of any place that I might be able to camp for a night and take my dogs? I've looked all over Google and cannot locate anywhere to camp that would allow me to take my dogs and not have them leashed. I enjoy my dogs being able to walk, sniff, run, and play freely. They live in a fenced yard otherwise and they love to hit the woods whenever possible. So if anyone can help me out here it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Travellor

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I know nothing about the lease laws in Arkansas but...

by Monster Hunter

While floating the Buffalo River Jake and a few boys hunting firewood found a few large nice five toed tracks off of the beaten path...that area looked like there could be Monsters everywhere...

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leashes

by Crispy Critter

Pretty much every state I've been in and everystate and national forest has a leash requirement.

If there is no one camping around you - there is no one to turn you in - if you're back country camping, the odds of seeing a Ranger are pretty slim.

I would think (from personal camping) that it's wise to keep them on a leash when your in an area with them darn snakes!

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how crowded/secluded you want to be?

by scott from philly

I know several in north central area

i carted a couple of 160 rottweilers through a couple, no problem

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New line fron Government Motors

by Crispy Critter

I'm sure you've heard that they had to scrap the Volt, and the SUV's and Trucks, but that is because they had to retool the factories for the new line. Don't fear my friends, I have gotten an advanced picture of the Brand new GM Pelosi-mobile.

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I know you are as excited as I am about these babies, but they expect a 2 to 4 year waiting list, so you'll need to sign up now. As with any other Government run operation - there might be some delays and expect the price to go up as the release date gets near.

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The government has been in control for 3 days

by Crispy Critter

And here we go - GMAC is now going to open loans to the sub-prime market. Isn't that what took down the housing market you might ask?

Hey don't worry - the Government knows what it's doing. Now everyone can buy a new Pelosi mobile.

http://www.reuters.com/article/privateEquity/idUSN0148180620090401?feedType=RSS&feedName=privateEquity

Now considering everything that has happened this past year - why in the world would they do this.........

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A couple bigfoot articles

These may be of interest.

http://www.bclocalnews.com/bc_north/houston-today/news/Three_more_Bigfoot_sightings_reported.html

http://www.bclocalnews.com/lifestyles/Moricetown_Bigfoot_tracks_continue_sighting_outbreak.html

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First article track...

by Monster Hunter

Another track in the circle that is going the opposite way and has claws...may or may not be a Monster track but it seems they would have found a better track to take a photo of...one that didn't have another track in it...

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The second track could have been a rabbit hopping in the snow...doesn't look like a Monster track IMO...

They need better and more pictures showing the tracks clearly along with the track line...hopefully someone that is a woodsman that has quite a bit of snow can chime in with their opinion...

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Another off-topic item for Crispy critter

Our President is in real trouble without his teleprompter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y3jmE87SoE

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Teleprompters.....

by Crispy Critter

I think the company that makes them is the only one safe from government intervention...LOL

He's not nearly as cool without it............

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Teleprompters

by Florida Redneck

It now says "Video has been removed due to terms of use violations".

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re:teleprompters

Wow!Looks like some political-minded folks didn't care for that video to be shown. Hey Florida Redneck,what part of FL are you from? Just curious. I'm in Venice FL. It's nice to know someone else on the MB is from FL too.

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Tonight...7 PM CST...Artist First...MK Davis...

by Monster Hunter

I haven't spoken with MK but if he can talk he'll be on discussing some interesting information...if you have kept up with the Bluff Creek Incident on our forum then you'll want to listen in...

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MK

by Grumpy

ALL I CAN SAY IS WOOOOOOOOOW!!!!!! Wish I'd moved to Trinity County 10 years earlier so I could have been there when it all happened... MK keep up all your good work my friend.

Bob

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His voice was cracking at times...

by Monster Hunter

But he made his points quite well...how they kept this quiet...money and the possibility of jail time...you can't tell anyone of your involvement if there is a possibility of jail time involved...

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I agree Monster Hunter

by Grumpy

even during the years I lived within the area numerous reports were filed and I've talked to many loggers and others who can attest to the fact many creatures are still in the area with some reports during the 80's within campground only a few miles from downtown Weaverville with many more downriver between Weaverville and Hoopa.

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Link?

by Brent

Is There a link for the show?

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Link...

by MonsterHunter

http://www.artistfirst.com/bigfoot2008.html

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Good show MK!

by Ken3030

Hope you get to feeling better. The voice sounded a bit rough at the end.

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Needs a good shot of whiskey and honey...

by Monster Hunter

or two...may not cure the ailment but you'll feel better...

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A neat idea for video from a treestand

Very good

by Ruby Red

I enjoyed watching this very much and it backed up what I've always believed was true about science. You can't put any faith in science because scientists don't always tell or aren't allowed to tell the truth.

But I DO miss Charlton Heston. He visited my drama club when I was a student at UH and spoke about acting. He was a great guy; Alzheimers is a horrid affliction that silenced, and then killed him. I sent his family two emails through one of his fan clubs and got a very nice reply. The very first movie I ever saw was his movie "The Savage." Normally when my parents took my grandmother and me to the drive in on Saturday nights, I'd play with my doll in the backseat or sleep. Then I saw him on the screen, and was hooked. I had a crush on Chuck Heston from the age of 6.

Thanks for posting this segment

we'll have to go hiking and look for movement or other sign.

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You better have

by D. Fisher

fast eyes and quick feet following Grumpy....Ask those with experience following the trail blazers of trail blazers.
By the way does A. Rods joining get me off the bait list?

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A.Rod, don't believe them,

by Grumpy

I'm an old man with bad knees, poor eyes and afraid to go out after it gets dark.

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I doubt it....

by Timberghost

Rick T. Has been a member for a LONG time and Bobby still ties a deer ham around his neck to get the Monsters to play with him..

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Tat and I'll bet those LONG STAPLES

by DonDon

do hurt like heck when that pheromone chip is stapled to his rear end. To bad I can't pass my red dress and spiked heels along to the new guys. LOL

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Welcome Allan!

by Ken3030

Welcome aboard! You do know the rookies are used for bait over at MC don't you? Well, that's only after you pass the test of following Grumpy thru the pine thickets and briars that is! LOL

Ken

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Welcome aboard

by DonDon

Good to have some more BAIT on board!!!!

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Welcome 144.....see now your just another number...

by Okiebear

Which state do you live in?

B

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Hey Crispy guess who,

by Grumpy

has been invited to the White House.... Most of the comments on a gun forum I frequent indicate he will possibly end up with a pair of cement boots...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=92999

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This ain't YouTube...

by Monster Hunter

So I hope he states his case without being intimidated...

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what concerns me

by woodswatcher

is that they are using his "dangerous" talk as a reason to invite him. this admin will not tolerate those who oppose it.

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What concerns me

by Grumpy

Your right there, most of the comments I've read indicate he should tell Washington "NO", and most are afraid he will end up disappearing, or meet an untimely death from unknown circumstances if he continues with his comments since it's apparent they don't like what he's saying.

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i have found

by woodswatcher

sometimes its best to decline certain invitations. especially if you disagree with the person or group inviting you.

what was shown was the fact the administration used the word "dangerous" in describing this.

he brings up very valid points.

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Man I hope he gets out of there alive.

by Crispy Critter

I just watched a very disturbing movie called "Freedom to Fascism" That was made a few years back. Pretty much sums up what is happening now - and how the FED is behind it - or should I say - the folks that OWN the FED.

I tell you - it ain't easy being me in the land of Fruit Loops. The left argument I keep encountering when presenting facts about what is happening is "OH Yeah - well Bush F%%%%%% us!

And these are folks I know...LOL

Obama is the one. I am now a raciest because I don't want socialism.

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Oh how they scamper

by Crispy Critter

When we the people find out what they are doing.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/politics/story/64917.html

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Or take your lawyer and

by Ruby Red

one or two trustworthy (no one from NBC) reporters with their cameramen with you to accept the invitation. And IF you're told your lawyer and the news people aren't invited inside to record the meeting; politely decline the offer to come inside the house your tax dollars not only built but maintains (they have servants, cooks, florists, etc. etc. all paid by us) without your witnesses.
But continue on the good work you began which got you the invitation...

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What Freedom of Speech?

by http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAG

I guess we can pretty well assume from this that freedom of speech no longer exists unless it is to agree with what the government is doing.

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Excellent speeches......... Only two gripes.......

by MikeInNC

...... In each video he used the term, "democracy" instead of, "Republic" - which we are.

Otherwise, very inspiring.

True (and sad) that we Americans should be shutting down D.C. and putting our rights ahead of the delusions of government.

Word is that there'll be a 2nd Amendment march on D.C. next year. That's one event I've promised myself I will attend.

There ought to be marches about every month, the way things are going lately.

Frustrated in NC.....

-Mike

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Should have had one

by Ruby Red

against bailing out greedy AIG.

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Something possibly over looked...

by Monster Hunter

In the below animation we see four men standing with the dog at the end of its lead...however; something that we noticed was the men all looking at the same area...what were these men looking at?...

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The still of something that has their attention...

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Could this be another skin and hide or part of a skin and hide?...

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Good catch. How about this

by DonDon

They Skinned the corpse in this area and maybe they heard Patty out raising cain in the woods. Well, being the hunters they are, they moved the hide over to the open area where it's shown in another pic, then set they dog in on her? Maybe thats where they saw Patty come through and wanted to get a fresh scent for the trained tracking dog to do it's thing. LOTS of possibilities and one thing to remember is that the gun was said to have killed I believe 6 sasquatches. May be just another hide that was one of the 6 that were killed. Darn good catch Jim

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Or...

by Ruby Red

do you suppose the reason why Patty stood up and walked away was because she discovered the remains of her dead family? Hmmm...

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Re: Something possibly over looked...

by Versatile

Just throwing this out there.
1 The men are looking at something on the ground. So are they looking in a ditch that was dug by the backhoe(one ridge of dirt behind cameraman and another ridge right where the lone man being approached by dog is) and then partially filled in such as in a mass grave?

2. Are they looking at horse remains? We have seen horse crap but no horse.

3. What is the bulge in the camermans pocket? Yeah i know,not that! lol

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By looking at the brush pile...

by Monster Hunter

and by seeing many brush piles pushed up I know there are usually ruts and mounds of dirt scattered around in the area of the piles...but to be honest...Your guess is as good as mine Versatile...

BTW...yes I did notice the bulge in Greens pocket...quite a bulge as a matter of fact...

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Speaking of mounds of dirt...

by Monster Hunter

A friend and I decided we would dig a few smaller mounds of dirt checking for bones...we were not convinced the Monsters buried their dead but as with most mythical creatures...what the hell...wouldn't cost us anything but some time...I would take a hickory limb and sink it in the mound before we dug to get an estimate of how approximately deep the hole was before we began to dig...

I guess he and I dug five to six holes and me, old die hard, probably dug ten to twelve more...only thing we found was more dirt...we did have one interesting experience after digging a hole...it rained the afternoon we were digging this particular hole so we left before we were finished being afraid of getting stuck in the bottoms....a few days later he and I went back down to look around, finish our dig and maybe dig another mound or two...

When we approached the hole we began a few days earlier we noticed this green bottle with the neck of the bottle pointing towards the hole we began...there's something about the color green the Monsters liked or disliked...Josh and I would put a green drink bottle at the feeder headed down towards the iron bridge...a few weeks to a month later I would have to hunt the bottle down...usually not far in the thickets but not under the feeder...while I'm mentioning green...I found a green plastic flower watering bucket with a spout while walking in the woods...I placed this water can in a thicket and it remained there for a good while...one day I noticed it was gone and I have yet to find my water can...and it's been better then three years...

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Re: Something possibly over looked...

by Versatile

The cameraman seems to be wearing different clothing than the others. Looks to be wearing Kakhi pants and a dark coloredPolo/Sports shirt. The other guys look to be wearing white t shirts and blue jeans. Thus i can speculate that he (cameraman)has arrived at a different time than the others.
Just making note of things i see but have not been mentioned.

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Good catch Versatile...

by Monster Hunter

This man is the brains behind the operation...his name...John Green...the grunts do the work...the brain walks around with the camera filming anything of importance...then edits out what he doesn't want us to see...

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Another still...

by Monster Hunter

The dog is looking at something and it appears Green may be filming...and the bulge in Greens pocket is not in the frame...maybe he was just glad to see someone...who knows?...

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Another puzzle...

by Monster Hunter

In this aerial photo taken some time after the Bluff Creek Incident you'll see a man, Dahinden, and an arrow pointing in the direction Patty walked...now...if I remember correctly Patterson and Gimlin came around a bend and Patty, behind a log or something, began to walk away from them...by looking at the Patty film we know she was filmed on her right side which would put Patterson and Gimlin to the left side of the above photo...what bend?...I would appreciate if someone could explain this...

The black square is where Patterson was supposedly standing but yet the film begins with us seeing the creatures back...

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The editor of this film...

by Monster Hunter

has edited out and added film where there are not any consistences...I guess if I wanted something for show and wanted to hide the facts I would have attempted the same...

John Green needs to step up once and for all and tell exactly what happened at his time at Bluff Creek...how about being a man of character which you have proudly portrayed all these years...or are you willing to take this tale of murder to your grave as did Titmus, Dahinden and others involved...

Bob Gimlin knows what transpired at Bluff Creek...he knows creature(s) were shot and killed before he and Patterson arrived...If Patterson actually took the footage of Patty then Gimlin is also involved in the killing of one of these creatures...a female with young...Patty herself...

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You got me Jim

by DonDon

Very puzzling for sure.

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Another thing that may have been overlooked

by Cindy

The dog does not have a proper tracking harness on. A tracking harness would not have the horizontal piece that goes from the piece that goes down around the ribcage across the front of the chest because it interferes with the movement of the front legs. A proper tracking harness would be a simple figure 8 with the ribcage strap and the strap that comes up around the back of the neck allowing the front legs to move freely. That harness is going to seriously fatigue a dog that has to track any distance. It looks like either a weight pull harness or a tethering harness for bite work. Probably not significant, though. Any footage of the dog actually tracking?

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That's Grumpy's expertise...

by Monster Hunter

5 POINT LEATHER TRACKING HARNESS

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by Cindy

various kinds of dogs. I have known a couple of white and one blue sheperd that were good agility and obedience dogs. Choc labs aren't my favorite to train because they are a bit harder to deal with than blacks but right now we have a choc at our facility that is an exceptional agility dog.

White sheperds have been registered for some time in a rare breed registry. I don't know much about it but they also register dogos, filas, AmBulls, neos, anatolians and the like and a variety of small fluffy things. Some of the breeds are recognized by other kennel clubs and some are not.

I've worked schutzhund with my AmStaffs for many years and most other schutz types were afraid of my dogs on the field. My dogs have been attacked by an AmBull and two different sheperds without provocation and once I was attacked by a sheperd that got loose and that is the only time my dog interfered with another dog. Fortunately the sheperd still had a bite work collar on so my dog didn't hurt it too much. They never interfered with any human or dog.

I always let my 3 schutzhund AmStaffs loose to play with the kids after working was over while all the sheperds, rotts and everyone else had to put their dogs up.

I personally am not too fond of rotts, having been threatened and snapped at by many during agility training
because a lot of them are insecure. Some were schutzhunders and some were not.

The only dogs that have actually attacked me during agility training and drawn blood were goldens and border collies and an effing cocker spaniel. That is spread out over 25 years. So go figure.

I'm breaking down now so I had to give up the really fun stuff and stick to AKC agility, tracking, obedience and conformation.

It is really hard to make sweeping generalizations about a variety of dog breeds or colors because so much has to do with breeding and how they are raised and trained.

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Some lab trainers...

by Monster Hunter

will not work any color lab other then black...not saying chocolate or yellow are inferior...but I know I would rather fool with a well bred black then a chocolate or yellow...and a female seems a bit sharper earlier then a male...

My motto...work with black...breed and sell the chocolates and yellows...besides...few people buying a lab for a pet want black...I have a few yellows that show more white then yellow...folks buying a pet love them...

BTW...my best dog happens to be black but his sire was a yellow...AFC...NFC...mother is black...AFC...NFC...

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Black Female was what my Training friend said.....n/t

by Okiebear

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Us trackers in Houston

by Cindy

would call that a variation of a figure 8 harness. That picture IS a proper harness.

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Tracking Harness

by Grumpy

Cindy you have to remember the year this film and pictures were taken, and as I recall the dog,handler and others were from Canada. I seriously doubt that this was a SAR tracking dog and was probably just one used to track animals in Canada, people tracking animals are trained to ignore animals and their scent, although mine had a soft spot for bunnies, she just had to chase them.

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Well...

by Monster Hunter

Looks as if I can't get a logical explanation of the path of Patty...Gimlin, at Chester Moore's conference a few years back, claimed he was within 18 to 20 feet of Patty...

By looking at this aerial photo I can't understand how that could happen unless he rode up on her after she jumped...If the terrain hadn't changed considerably between the time of filming and this aerial view I am beginning to believe this whole damn thing is nothing but Bullshxx and lies...especially if the log in this still is the log just to the right of where Patterson was standing...the black square at the end of the arrow...BTW...I already knew it was BS and lies...

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Several years ago...

Rabid dog maybe?

by DonDon

Only way I can think of that a dog would b nuts enough to try that

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re: van damage

Hey MH...my husband had an interesting thought...maybe it was an alligator if the bite marks were low on the van. Where the heck did that happen again, South Carolina?

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I guess anything is possible...but...

by Monster Hunter

I have no idea if they have gators in South Carolina...to be honest...I like the Lizard Man...just sounds better...LOL

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re: van damage

MH, my CRS has got me again, my husband asked me about how strong of a bite that was and I can't remember if they said 300 lbs. and something or not. He's just curious.

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CRS?...and you're asking me Nellie...

by Monster Hunter

I think I remember someone saying or me dreaming that it was around 300 PSI...don't quote me though...

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Mh, you just gave me the biggest laugh I've had all day!

Thanks for the reply!Love ya!

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Yes, it was 300 lbs - 350 lbs

by Ruby Red

I think. I do know it was over 300 lbs. Then they said that a dog could easily have done it but I wouldn't want to be that dog's teeth after. They created steel teeth to experiment and broke off one of them. Badly bent the other one...talk about a dog being in pain.

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Re: Van Damage...

by Versatile

I watched the show as well. The punture/teeth marks looked very similar to those i saw on a gutter down spout; this would be the piece that turns outwards at the bottom.

There were some dogs torn up in Versailes Mo and a Malanaise male had the hide pulled over his head thru a cattle panel down at the bottom, the dog was dead of course and we couldn't see any sgn at all that the dog had been trying to back pedal and get away. A Lab was found outside the pen dead and smashed into the ground.Another German Shepard in another pen had her throat slit like with a knife for a slit about 12 inches long. Coonbo and i met up to go do the looksee. Coonbo posted it at Timber's board but i cannot find it anymore(and someone grabbed it and posted it on that social board). I or we theroized that it was small BF because of the size and the round human type shape of the mouth or jaws. The punctures last night really stood out as looking the same. The punctures looked like a lot of powerful force was behind it
The show last night said it was a big one so that doesn't jive with my theory at all

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I remember reading that on Timber's board Versatile...

by Monster Hunter

Pretty darn strange circumstances...

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I wouldn't want to.............

by Ken3030

tangle with whatever that was that chewed up that van! One bad SOB!! I think it was a canine going after the cats that crawled up under the hood. I think a monster would have just ripped the fender and hood right off the van. I also think that all of her cats being missing doesn't amount to too much. Could have been an angry neighbor culling that big pack of cats she had. Nastiest thing in the world is to have more than one cat in an area. I used to have a neighbor that had 2 dozen cats and surprisingly they all disappeared. And I wouldn't know what happened to them....

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LOL Ken

by DonDon

NO IDEA on what happened to them huh? RIGHTTTT hehe Bout killed mine this morning when I was walking into the kitchen to grab breakfast. STEPPED right in a big ol pile. AAAHH, right between the toes on my right foot. By the time she hit the wall across the room about 5 feet off the ground, she wasn't to aware of much of anything. You know that a cats head is close ot the same size as a base ball when grabbed properly. OH, guess you already knew that, LOL

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AAAAHHHHHH nothing like the feeling of warm poo between your toes in the morning

by Cindy

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Van Damage

by Mr. Phelps

What if? A very large animal chased those little innocent kitty cats up under the van and into the engine block area, and then something with very large and strong hands sunk its thumbs under the fender well with the other four fingers on top, on the outside and peeled the metel back with its thumbs! Could those holes in the metel, possibly be from fingernails and not be teeth punctures?
I dont like the dog theory because the holes are too uniform across the van. A dog would have random patterns and not from one side of the fenderwell to the other!
D#%m Lizzard People!

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Like you...

by Monster Hunter

and I know what you do for a living...it's hard for me to believe this is dog related...a dog would have given up the chase...at least mine would have...

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Mh, it seemed hard to believe......

a dog of any kind would do that. My first thought to the attack on the van was that a very hungry monster with a taste for cat was going after scared kitties hiding under the hood.The tooth holes looked too large for a regular dog tooth. But you have a better idea on that( I own a kitty ).Btw...it was great talking to you again on the phone. Looks like we might get some of that nice rainy weather you just had possibly on Sunday. We sure need it!

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Re: Mh, it seemed hard to believe......

by Monster Hunter

I guess a big mean dog on steroids could have done that damage but it does seem unlikely Nellie...yes we got some rain last night and looks as if we may get some the rest of the week...hopefully you'll get what you need as well...bad thing about rain...grass grows and I hate mowing and weed eating...but we do need the rain...

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Re: Mh, it seemed hard to believe......

I finally got to see the episode sunday evening.

Sorry but I just can't buy the theory of a dog. Seeing the damage to that van well things just were not adding up. Also with all the damage to those cat shelters and the van, wouldn't the people in the house have heard something or were they sleeping really deeply and had something on to bloke out the noise from the outside?

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Nothing new to me

by Rob Anderson

In fact I think they are getting a little too use to us humans. They use use for food when farmers grow crops and that draws in other animals. No wonder why the black bears and cougars are romaing around southern Michigan. That may explain some of the BF reports near heuman occupied areas.

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I couldn't help but roll my eyes...

by Monster Hunter

When Coleman put himself out on a limb by saying we would have verifiable reports of a BF doing physical harm or killing a human in twenty five years...Not only is he an "expert" cryptozoologists...he's a damn physic...he really went out on a limb with that prediction...

How do you spell cryptozoologists and is that really a word and description of a profession?...

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How can he know IF it will be that long?

by Ruby Red

And also, how does Mr. Prophet speak with such authority on a subject that he's never seen up close and personal? Oh, yeah, I know; he 'knows' people who've seen one, etc. The problem with predictions like his is--like you said--if it doesn't happen, people will never let you forget you opened your big mouth to predict it. I believe humans have probably been mortally wounded or killed by Sasquatch/Bigfoot/Yeti in the past and even perhaps in the recent past. But how would we distinguish a Sasquatch kill from another predator? Would they gnaw on a human's remains? Maybe they would break or pull apart our bones but who could really know for sure? How many CSI have been trained to know the difference between a fall, a homicide committed by another human from a homicide committed by a Sasquatch? Correct my incorrect thinking, if I've erred in the judgment of these statements.

Miss Ruby

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The Thief promoted himself...

by Monster Hunter

from a ordinary common thief to the world's renown cryptozoologist...his blog, site or whatever he has is nothing more then gathered information...nothing new, not exciting bits and pieces of personal hands on field research...he stole pictures from Byrnes to begin his self appointed title...the man doesn't want the discovery of any of the mythical critters...it would put him out of business...

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One still and one animation...MK Davis

by Monster Hunter

MK has found what appears to be a skinned corpse on the left side of the frame....he sent me a couple of compelling files last night...

The first...

You can see drag marks leading from the ditch headed directly to the corpse...between the two ditches, probably caused by a piece of equipment used to push up the brush pile in the back ground, there are some bloody spots...

[linked image]

The second is an animation...look this over closely...remember this is an animation so give it time to load...notice the dog...

[linked image]

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Is darn interesting Jim

by DonDon

Looks exactly like a leg to me. Can see the foot as well. I listened to MK yesterday while I was working and really loved the way he presented things. I wonder if they totally dismembered it with there just being what appears to be a leg and nothing else. Maybe they sent pieces of it off with each member that was on site for their hunt.

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Yes...MK does a good interview...

by Monster Hunter

It helps when you know exactly what you are talking about...he does...it does look like a part of a creature to me as well...hard to make out exactly what I'm looking at but you can clearly see the flesh of something that has been skinned...

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Two important stills...Different camera angles..

by Monster Hunter

There appears to be some blood between the two ruts...when speaking with MK he and I spoke briefly about where the creature might have died?...possibly being shot in another area and being drug to this spot...however the drag marks does not support that theory...it doesn't appear to be enough blood between these two ruts for the creature to have bled and died there...but it would depend on the location of the wound...

[linked image]

Another angle it appears there is a puddle of blood in the rut where the drag marks begin to the corpse itself...if this is blood then IMO this is where the creature met it's maker...more then likely the men in T Shirts helped drag the corpse out of the rut for Titmus to skin...also IMO...this creature was headed for this brush pile for concealment...I have had several reports of people seeing Monsters crawl into or out of pushed up brush and tree piles...

[linked image]

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?

by Brent

If these guys in the white shirts killed and skinned BF, shouldnt they have blood all over them? Or is this the day after? So did they drain BF of blood, skin it and drag the 700lbs body to a different location. This is all very interesting stuff. It takes quite a person to skin an animal that looks like a human, kinda morbid. Keep up the good work.

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The men in T shirts...

by Monster Hunter

maybe helped drag the creature and pull hide but Titmus the "taxidermists" would have done the skinning...several things ...change of clothes, gloves and pulling hide is not bloody unless you handle the hide where there is blood...the only person with blood on their hands would be the skinner...the man with the knife...

700 pounds of anything is a lot of weight...five or six men couldn't drag that much dead weight...but a good horse or two could...

Titmus cleaning his hands...

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Titmus looking at the blood on his hands right after the dog jumped on him...

[linked image]

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And the last photograph

by Ruby Red

shows who the skinner was because his hands are bloody. What a crying shame this atrocity was ever done and then lied about for over 40 years. It makes me want to cry and scream at the man with the large camera.

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My take on the new evidence of the PG film

by Rob Anderson

After chatting with MH and listening to, watching the compelling evidence, I have to say that in my opinion, they went out to deliberately kill this creature. My only problem with this is if they did kill a creature, why didn't they bring the carcass, tissue, blood, and genetic material to light. I know that DNA studies were in its infancy but still could link the creature to higher primates or even placing it into the species of hominids (pan and homo sapien sapien0. I suspect they wanted to do it for the sake of doing it, and to me that is illegal. We as investigators or those like myself lives with these things, we all know that we want to bring these things out scientifically showing compelling evidence these monsters do exist. But it makes my stomach turn when I see this. But in the back of my mind, the reactions of the dogs being used. All dogs hate their scent and will avoid the creatures. Its just an observation on my part.

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After years in an area of activity with my dogs...

by Monster Hunter

I know dogs react differently...one Shepherd I have was scared to death when she would go down with me...but when I took her the area was hot and I mean hot with activity...At night she would stay right on top of me when we walked...wasn't much braver during the day...working on our camera system I had a Monster breaking limbs to get me to look...knowing this I didn't look up until a large limb was broken not far from where we were...this dog jumped about eight feet into my lap...

Had another female that rode down with me on occasion...Jake and I along with a few more were rabbit hunting...Jake and I head down towards the iron bridge where we had an electronic feeder...as we topped the hill our head lights caught a large critter underneath the feeder...this animal, quadruped, ran across the road at an angle giving us a good look...we drove down to the area, got out of the truck and headed into the area this animal disappeared...this dog got a whiff of the track...whimpered and got back in the truck...

My other Shepherd doesn't appear to be frightened...by watching her over the years I believe when the Monsters are near she hangs close to me...she'll walk out a few steps and let me catch up before moving again...she'll run and gun when there are not any Monsters around chasing anything that runs or flies...

One late afternoon she jumped out of the truck and chased a rabbit into the hawthorn thicket...it was getting dark and to be honest had me worried a bit...right before it got dark where you could still see a bit she shot out of that thicket like she was being chased...I stayed there for a few hours and when I moved she moved right with me...no doubt in my mind what chased her out of that thicket...

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Hey MK, here's one for you.

by J

Saw this on Utube. The person that posted it says its a hat. To me it looks like a leg and foot. Dunno...

This is a shot of apparently Roger Patterson on horseback going down a trail. At .15 seconds into the film on the bottom right corner you see the anomaly.
To me it looks like a leg in Levi's and a boot on the bottom. Probably the leg of another rider with his boot in the stirrup of his horse and for a second you see his leg in the frame. It would be about the right height off the ground if a person were standing on the side of the trail filming.

Could be a hat, could be a leg. But if Roger and Bob were the only ones there, and that is Bob's leg popping into frame, then who is holding the camera?

It happens for just an instant and the frame rate of Utube only displays it for a couple of frames. (Utube drops frames for better streaming) Plus the Discovery Channel logo is over or near it. But you can tell something appears for a frame or two.

Anyway, thought you may be interested in it. Might be nothing?
J
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He580r6--l4

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Re: Hey MK, here's one for you.

by M.K. Davis

J, I know now that there were two, and possibly three cameras rolling during this single event. I do not see it on the copy that I have, but this does not mean that it wasn't picked up on another camera filming the same scene. This hunt was possibly sponsored by a major media outlet. If that's the case, then that's another story. I suspect that this might be the case. M.K.

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Wow, 'sponsored by a major media outlet' - does that mean

by Cindy

professional camera men filming? Or do you think they loaned this group cameras? Any input on what media group may have sponsored this hunt?

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Ok,wasn't sure if you had seen that

by J

Thought it might be something to look into.

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M.K Question about P/G

by Brent

You mention that you have the ability to email the end of the P/G film were Patty falls down or is on all fours, possible being shot. I would love to see it. It is my understanding that it is cut out of the original, I may be wrong about that. I have been following your work and you have got my attention with your findings and would like to learn more. Thanks and keep up the good work. Also what do you think about that supposed face in the tree line that people are saying is Bob.

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The last sequence of filming...going down...

by Monster Hunter

As this creature begins to go down it puts it's right arm out to catch itself...the first time she goes down has not been stabilized for network 54 but you can go here to see her going down in the first sequence of filming...it is small and you have to watch it several times but she definitely goes down...

http://gcbro2.ning.com/video/patty-goes-down

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by yooper bf

Since I spend my workdays alone in a truck, I have quite a bit of time to think about various things. Today, my thoughts wandered to the whole Bluff Creek incident. Just a couple of things that came to mind:
If they actually killed one or more BF's, how could they keep it all a secret for 42 years? The old saying about a secretnot being a secret if more than one person knows it comes to mind. There were 5 or 6 people in the "list of participants" origionally there. Usually, someone would want to brag or tell somebody something.
Another line of thought would be that the participants fabricated the hoax theory to steer anyone away from an investigation. There was a book written about the entire staging of the "hoax". Bob H. claimed to be the "man in the suit", but if he was there when the shooting took place, that would lend credibility to the idea of "hoaxing" a hoax in an attempt at damage control.

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Re: Patterson/Gimlin film thoughts

by Monster Hunter

I do think you could be right....but in a small community people tend to remain silent especially after one of the members in that community claims to have been the man in the suit...it then becomes, after a period of time, that it was "Old Bob" in the film...

Possible scenario...Patterson did buy a costume at the time frame mentioned and it is possible Bob H. did make a walk in the costume therefore passing the lie detector test...he wasn't lying about the costume nor his walk...Patterson was attempting to make a film or maybe a documentary so buying a costume to depict a BF , possibly or maybe not to hoax, but to have something on film to present to backers in the film industry...it's not a matter of what has been reported as being untruthful...it's a matter of pertinent facts that occurred that hasn't been reported...

My problem with this whole episode is not the harvest of an animal/creature for discovery...my problem is murder of creatures...especially a female that you could tell was definitely a female...the photo with Patterson posing with cast tracks indicate there was a juvenile creature...guess who the mother of this juvenile would have been?...and I suspicion this youngster was one of the first killed therefore Patty still remaining in the area...

Notice the difference of color of the smallest track...has a color of the sandy road leading down to Bluff Creek...

[linked image]

In an article Titmus wrote he claimed he got caught by darkness and had to stay in this area...he dug himself a hole, covered himself with leaves...he reported these creatures were out all night sniffing and looking for him...remember the bunker hide...this could have very well been the area he spent that night in...

Time lapse...during the PG filming then later by Byrnes...

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As crazy as this may seem the evidence of wounds, gun fire muzzle flash from the tree line, bloody dog prints, Patty going down...are all in the Patterson footage...

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The tale becomes more involved when we have film of Titmus carrying a double barreled rifle, John Green carrying a camera up on his shoulder in the ready position, a dog and handler...why would you need a tracking dog unless you had a wounded creature?...you wouldn't...
a possible skinned creatures leg along with the hide indicate there is much more to this incident then previously thought and told...

[linked image]

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Nice

by Sliva

Nice work guys, CSI eat your heart out. I bet those who had a hand in this blood bath can't find a rock fast enough to crawl under. Monster Hunter when you get a chance could you please drop me an e - mail.

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Sliva...

by Monster Hunter

Your email address is not working...

jimlansdale@gmail.com

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CSI

by yooper bf

Criminal Sasquatch Investigation. I don't know if I could glance at the "victim" and come up with a witty one-liner that sets the theme for the entire episode as the opening credits roll.

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Blog talk radio

by M.K.Davis

After Bigfoot Central, I will be on blog talk with Bob Coyne and Mike Killen of Bigfoot Quest. If you can stand another hour and a half of me, ( Which is about all I can stand }, tune in here.http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Bigfoot_Quest M.K.

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Both are archived...

by Monster Hunter

so really...you haven't missed anything...

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Torrey, yeh, I got it and sent you one back.

sorry for this late reply. I've been out of connection range for a few days.

Has anyone read this bigfoot story yet?

Sorry we can't view that forum since most of us are banned... n/t

Yes, it's a good one....

Now its China and Iran in a nuke plot

The F-22 fighter: Another $64 Billion entitlement program for military contractors

There are part of the government right?

just a note about jets

90,000 jobs to be lost with cuts

That's all part of the plan

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Speaking of

Say goodbye to another 4 trillion

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Vehicle muncher strikes again!

I can see a track(s)...

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More tea bags cause problems

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Hum. Ahem. That was me.

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Just curious,

Below is your favorite...

It is what it is

my opinion

You, go, M.K.

Lonewolf always asks antagonistic questions.

Being skeptic is healthy...

Sasquatch Hunter,

Thanks Lonewolf

MK, some of us really appreciate what you've done

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work

Fear I'm guessing

You're Welcome MK,

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Question about the P/G/T film

Most of the information you asked for...

White Shepherd mows lawns

Good looking dog...

A couple of goats will keep the weeds down MH. LOL/nt

I've considered that Darrel...

Hey Jim you seen ANY

Fed them some corn late Sunday afternoon after everyone left...

Figured as much but

I'd forgotten all about those chickens....Dam CRS.. n/t

Hey Rob up in MI...

Known Groups of BF

Though we have had scientists along with animal biologists...

Seems to me

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