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by Cindy

'Bout dang time. No show photo but this will give you the idea!

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by Grumpy

Rick, you better watch your back Jim has already told me if I don't mail him my last jar of Pheromone Chips I'm in big trouble, and we both know who's tent and clothing they are going into..... LOL I just hope the heat stays down there this year, so far it's been bearable in my area... we actually get some rain now and then..

Posted on Jul 15, 2009, 7:34 AM
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100F at 7pm

by Cindy

At the training field it will frequently register 98-100 at 7pm when we start classes. People run and train and sweat like pigs.

Somebody said 'If it is like this in June-July can you imagine what August is going to be like?!' and my boss looked and her and said 'What? It isn't going to get up to 150F, its just going to be more of the same!'. Good point.

I sure wish it would rain, though. After it rains in Houston it starts raining from the ground up.

Posted on Jul 15, 2009, 1:02 PM
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This may make you feel a little better

by RubyRed

Last night Frank Billingsly [Channel 2] was giving our forecast and he said that the current 10:20 p.m. temperature in El Paso, Texas was 100 degrees. Now that's really hot for West Texas. Temperatures out there, even in during the summer, are usually cooler at night than the rest of the state BUT not last night. Things could be much worse, I guess, but they do need to get better...yet I feel in my bones rain is on the way.

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by RubyRed

then Sue, Gary's sister died and Gary became his parent's care giver. That killed any plan of moving to much cooler Colorado. We thought about taking the parents along with us but knew it would cause a fight. They're happily settled in a paid off home; I doubt we'd get them to move anywhere. So...here we sit (and sweat) until we're free to leave this hot place. I probably sound bitter about it but I'm not really! I love my parents by marriage; Nellene and Tom are more like real parents than my own; so helping Gary care for them is the least I can do.

But I miss those cool mountain breezes! [sigh] We can't afford even to take a short trip there or anywhere anytime soon!
Sigh

Yessir!

by Rick Tullos

I think that you'll find the monsters in a shady spot guarding a water hole.

Too hot to go chasing after them right now though.

Down here in S,A, we've had about 3 weeks of 100 plus temps daily and it's just july.

I thought it got hot in memphis,this is unreal.

Welcome to south Texas,,,,LOL.

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100 degree plus...

by Monster Hunter

Sounds as if you jumped from the frying pan into the fire Rick...Good news here I hope...weather is suppose to cool down to the low 90's with a possible chance of rain this weekend...

Posted on Jul 14, 2009, 8:13 AM
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I'll take the good with the bad.

by Rick Tullos

Palm trees,home grown avacadoes,tangerines,etc.
I*'m a tropics kind of guy anyways.
I'll take the heat over the cold any day.

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You are NOT alone

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Posted on Jul 14, 2009, 2:07 PM
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Dam, Don your getting OLD

by Grumpy

pretty soon you are going to catch up with Jim and I.......maybe it's all that naked fishing!!!!! LOL

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LOL, had to hang that up Bob

by DonDon

Like you said GETTING OLD. LOL

Posted on Jul 15, 2009, 8:42 AM
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Cool

by Okiebear

Tell Nessa good job. I agree with Jim she probably saved you.

OB

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I ain't dounting that my friend

by DonDon

She always does!!!

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Hello, friends..

by TexSquatch

Bobby and everyone else who may remember me. And to new friends. Maybe I'll be back this way more often, if time and everything else permits...

TS

Posted on Jul 11, 2009, 11:56 PM
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Good to see you're back...

by Monster Hunter

Come back for a visit anytime...

Posted on Jul 13, 2009, 7:26 AM
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Re: Good to see you're back...

by TexSquatch

Thanks, Monsterhunter. I have been beaukeau busy with work and life. I miss E. Tx. Nothing to report from deep S. Tx. ...
Everybody take care!

TexSquatch

Posted on Jul 15, 2009, 8:35 PM
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just to toss this out there

by woodswatcher

i have read many times that there is no reason to believe that the PNW monkee is a quadraped.

if i recall correctly, didnt the film MK worked on show Patty dropping down to all 4's when she hit the woodline of the creek.

also, along time ago i read the "Cowman" story on another site and the man told of the animal dropping into 4wheel drive when he pursued it in the timber.

any thoughts as to why so many people disallow for quadrapedal motion?

Posted on Jul 11, 2009, 11:06 PM
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Lots!

by Rick Tullos

I remember a few years back the fact that they were quadrupedal was tossed out there and met with little enthusiasm.

Heres my take on it.

Gorillas,,Quadrupeds that can go bipedal for short amounts of time.
Chimps,,,,same catagory as Gorillas.
Humans,,Primarily Bipeds,,,99.9 percent of the time unless you are looking for a contact lense,,LOL.
PNW Bigfoot,,about 80 percent of the time bipedal, mayne less.
Bigfoot Globally,,,about the same.

The reason that I distinguished between the 2 is because they seem to have something just a tiny bit different up there than we do here in the south, the southern variety being a tad more apelike.

To me it's like the difference between a fox squirrel and a gray one or a mule deer and a white tail.
There may be a couple of subspecies of Bigfoot walking around out there, each animal having its own personality as well, thats why you get some really aggressive reports as well as reports of these animals being really curious and almost friendly.

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PNW quadrupeds...

by Monster Hunter

When MK found Patty going down this was before we knew she was shot...actually she goes down twice in the film...IMO...she goes down because she was hurt and not because she was a quadrupedal creature unlike what we have here...guaranteed the Monsters I know of would have gone down and disappeared before Patterson could unaxx his horse with the camera...

Posted on Jul 13, 2009, 7:25 AM
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People Think,,

by Rick Tullos

That all the Bigfoots (Bigfeet?)out there look like the patterson film and they don't.
Thats why I say that there is not only a couple of subspecies of them but also there is variance even within a certain species from individual to individual.
In reference just to color I have read of Gray ones,brown,tan,black,reddish brown,white.
Now after that you have 3 toes,4,5,6.
Then you have aggressive,non aggressive.
So it's certainly not a stretch to accept that some may be more quadrupedal than others although they are in the same species.

These critters will keep you on your toes 4 sure.

Posted on Jul 14, 2009, 8:59 AM
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requesting info

by wookieehunter

hey everyone.I wanted to know if anyone has heard of any sightings at Percy Quinn state park in mcomb,miss.we are going to stay in a cabin in sept. and wanted to ask this to see if I had any luck in finding out some info on this...thnx,

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McComb Mississippi?

by Bitter Monk

That's 12 miles east of Liberty Mississippi? 65 miles due north east of Baton Rouge, LA? And a 116 miles due north of New Orleans, LA?

I used to have a coon hunting buddy that lived down there. :D

Posted on Jul 12, 2009, 6:03 AM
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J can probably give ya more than I can

by DonDon

but it's an active area from what I've heard. I've been working ths central and north part of Mississipi and haven't been south YET. Check out the reports in our encounters and see whats there

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Re: J can probably give ya more than I can

by wookieehunter

thnx for the responses.I have been looking at reports but havn't found any for the percy quinn state park area....hey J or MK have yall heard of any reports from that area??????

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Nothing specific

by J

I remember a couple years ago hearing about someone in a camper over there having an encounter. CRS is kicking in and I can't remember the details. It was near Mccomb. Maybe someone over that way will perk up and post here?
J

Posted on Jul 18, 2009, 2:48 AM
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thnx j

by wookieehunter

n/t

Posted on Jul 22, 2009, 12:45 AM
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July 7th Monsterquest program

by RubyRed

I admit up front that I didn't watch the majority of this program. I was watching another t.v. show. So, I'm curious--for the members of the message board WHO DID watch the episode--what are your thoughts and feelings? I admit the moment I saw Dr. M's face, I thought, "oh well, the show will only be saved IF M.K.'s recent findings are presented...So...were they?

Ruby

Posted on Jul 9, 2009, 8:35 AM
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Meldrum

by woodswatcher

is game was the usual. pimp his face and booksmarts. Billie Munn saved the program to a degree. even he noticed issues with the camera and film. probably more than what he told on the show.

what i would like to do..is drag that paleoprimatologist with the pony tail thru a swamp, that smug ass look that he had just irritated me.

i was hoping the Desotel fella would be on it. his mohawk brings sum "umph" to the show.

Posted on Jul 9, 2009, 11:20 AM
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I missed it...

by Monster Hunter

Baseballing last night...after woodwatchers review I think I'll pass...

Posted on Jul 9, 2009, 11:49 AM
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Jim, You'd have been cussing

by DonDon

That ole MID TARSEL BREAK crap again. Bout tired of hearing that crap. Munn did a good job opresenting things though and his computer stuff looked very good. Darn sure wished I could afford some of the software they had on the show.

Posted on Jul 9, 2009, 11:58 AM
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No doubt Don...

by Monster Hunter

Any good podiatrist will tell you meldrum is full of sxxx...it took us months of stills and animations with proof Green was at Bluff Creek with camera in hand and Titmus in a hunting situation before people eventually began thinking Green may not be as stand up a man as thought...do I think he has done some good for BF research...sure to a point...but he has also set us back over forty years concerning the PNW Sasquatch...he knows exactly what they killed...and IMO...Hansen showed one around as a side show at carnivals and fairs...there are just to damn many coincidences of people knowing people and Hansen visiting Patterson...Hell, good long life friends randomly drive thousands of miles to visit let alone see a stranger unless of course you have something or have the urgent need to know something...and if it wasn't important then why not pick up the phone?...

I do know, as an avid pro kill for discovery, I would think long and hard before I shot a bipedal animal in the north west and BC...something just ain't right about those critters...I watched MQ a few weeks to a month ago with one man, forget his name and credentials, say the tracks he was looking at looked human...looked human to me as well...by no means am I any type of expert on anything but I do know a bit about tracks...

Below is the Iceman...shot in the eye knocking the other eye out along with part of the back of the skull missing plus shot in the chest...showed up in 1967...an accurate time period is unknown but it is reported the Iceman was being displayed sometime in the fall of that year...don't let this time period be an obstacle in your opinion with the Bluff Creek Incident...Titmus was hunting these creatures long before the Bluff Creek Incident and could have possibly killed a creature before Green, Dahinden and party went to document...Titmus could leave his home being in the Bluff Creek area within the hour...he was a tracker/hunter/taxidermist...

What part of the Iceman doesn't look human?...

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by Monster Hunter

Human and whatever this PNW creature could be...Paulides has written several books after doing some serious investigation and interviews...

Paulides, a former police investigator, wanted to hold witnesses accountable for their statements. To this end, he documented over 45 witnesses who swore on affidavits to witnessing Bigfoot and Bigfoot activity. Interviews and research also brought much insight to related aspects of the hominid, such as topography, weather, elevation and rainfall.

Desiring an expert forensic sketch artist with an intimate knowledge of the Native American culture, Paulides commissioned Harvey Pratt for the Hoopa Project. Harvey met with the witnesses who had Bigfoot sightings and completed forensic sketches based on his interview with them."

Posted on Jul 10, 2009, 8:44 AM
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Sorry but I prefer to listen to

by RubyRed

people who've actually seen one of these creatures, or who've followed their tracks for hours over hard terrain and/or through snow. I have a problem with experts who rarely get out into the field although, Dr. Jeff does seem to come out of his ivory tower once in awhile.

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the big M

by woodswatcher

the Big M, talks a good game for someone who has NEVER SEEN ONE.

people take his word as gospel.

Posted on Jul 9, 2009, 9:14 PM
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If I am not mistaken

by Crispy Critter

And I might be.

The whole Mid tarsal break is from the Cripple foot cast.

If I am mistaken, please correct me.

They said on the show - that foot had trauma. The feet I've found do not have trauma. Nor do they have a mid tarsal break.

Why do I mock Bumbledrum?

His whole view, in my opinion, is misguided. But he is on TV like Coleman stoves, every chance he gets.

Don, I will reckon with you next time I see you!

LOL

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Incorrect the mid tarsal break is not exclusive to the "cripplefoot" cast. n/t

by Lonewolf

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Posted on Jul 10, 2009, 9:07 AM
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Well there you go

by Crispy Critter

Never said I was a smarty pants.

Just seems that is the one he goes back to, and the one they built a bone model for, to illustrate his point.

I don't hold him up as the big Kahuna, so all I know is what he puts out on the TV shows. And I haven't been really impressed. Not by him, or MQ in general. Survivor Man is more exciting and has more useful info.

But that's just me.

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Just my 2 cents........and that aint worth much...

keep flipping rocks...

Posted on Jul 8, 2009, 2:02 PM
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This Months NC report.

by Rick Tullos

Good report!

I don't know if we have anybody in the NC area but this is the type of stuff that needs to be followed up on.

Also hearing about some activity in north MS that's pretty good.

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Reports slow down this time of year...

by Monster Hunter

But the one's we receive are usually worth the time to investigate...

Posted on Jul 8, 2009, 10:41 AM
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The heat

by RubyRed

probably keeps the Boogers in cool, shady caves and other places. If I had that much hair covering my body, I'd stay in the cool, too. My poor Silver has been out for the last three days in 100 degree heat. It's NO picnic this time of year.

Ruby

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Tempting......

by MikeInNC

About a 2 hour drive to get there....

I could check it out in August (too much going on at the new house + gotta get my stuff out of $$$ storage this month). It'd be nice to check things out while activity is taking place, but....

MH - you have my email address. Contact me re: possible visit to the location.

-Mike

Posted on Jul 8, 2009, 2:42 PM
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Doesn't JP live on Cloudy Mountain?

by RubyRed

n/t

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Not a member, but am in North Carolina

by John Bamburg

I'm not actually a member of GCBRO, as you guys are aware.
However I do live in Charlotte, N.C. and I am a constant lurker on this board and others.
I read about NC and SC sightings constantly, here and on the other boards out there.
I do consider myself well read and up to date on the latest and greatest info on the subject.
I do find myself watching for sign when I'm in the woods. I've never seen anything that can readily be attributed to BF, though I don't discount anything as being possible. I'm former military and an experienced hunter and woodsman.
I would be willing to look in on sightings that are reported in the future if that would be needed.
Just throwing it out there as an option.

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Posted on Jul 13, 2009, 9:27 AM
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Hey John

by Rick Tullos

The best thing I can recommend is that you talk with Bobby.
We don't usually give out contact info to non members so I think the best way to get clued in on the exact locations of the hot spots is to either join or get with a member in the area,Preferrably join.

It's not costly and you get some pretty cool stuff as well as a treasure trove of info.
You can email Bobby at Bigfoothunter@hughes.net .

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I'm just south of Charlotte....

by MikeInNC

John,

I work in Charlotte (live just south of the border).

If the powers-that-be would allow it, we could follow-up on nearby NC reports and 'squatch as a team

-Mike

Posted on Jul 15, 2009, 5:48 AM
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Thanks for the opportunity....

but I don't think it's in my best interest to be controlled by any more, "powers that be".
After 22 years in the military and 26 years of being married. I've had my fill of "powers that be".
However, I will say that if were ever to find anything concrete, GCBRO would be the folks I'd contact first.

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What's the deal on Monsterhunter tonight?

by go200mph

Say they're going to discuss some "new" discoveries of info on Patty. Any of this have to do with MK's discoveries?

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Re: What's the deal on Monsterhunter tonight?

by Monster Hunter

We will discuss several items concerning the "events" of Bluff Creek...should be interesting...

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What do you mean "we"

by go200mph

Is your purty face gonna be on my TV picture box, Mr Monster Hunter? Daggum it, I think I'll have ta watch, fer sure.

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No...NO...Artist First tonight at 7PM CST...

by Monster Hunter

No TV for me...

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Do you mean MonsterQuest TOMORROW NIGHT?

by DonDon

http://www.history.com/video.do?name=monsterquest&bcpid=1541043115&bclid=9548353001&bctid=1568033433
They're going over what they say is the ORIGINAL Patteron film tomorrow night with. Check out the link it has Bob on there describing what occured that day and then they have some guy analizing it. Of course he sees NEW things in it that have NEVER been seen before. UMM, Mouth movement and things like that? NEW. Give me a break

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BF Researcher/analyst...

by Monster Hunter

Bet this doesn't show up on the show...the bloody dog print...
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by Grumpy

LOL, that's my old buddy.... just remember it was NOT me who mentioned Twinkie it was Jim, and besides Don your not old enough to remember the Twinkie defense in a court case..... We need to all get together and Kill something, or just hike through a thicket!!!!!

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LOL @ Grumpy...n/t...

by Monster Hunter

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Posted on Jul 14, 2009, 12:42 PM
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Hey MH, that reminds me of a story I read somewhere ....

about a bigfoot who reached in the cab of some truck driver and stole his Twinkies. I thought it was a good story. I can't remember if it was in the GCBRO's database of reports or not.

Posted on Jul 16, 2009, 12:39 AM
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Twinkies and Monsters...

by Monster Hunter

I don't recall that report but I guess anything is possible...bet that truck driver keeps his windows rolled up now...LOL

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You know

by Sliva

They are going to make a movie of this some day, just the scope of it. Dam shame though.

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Bigfoot Central

by Grumpy

As usual two people I am proud to call friends did their homework and provided the world with another possibility to ponder, even a power outage couldn't keep MK from the show.......

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Become an expert in only 6 months,

by Grumpy

Just think now you can become an expert in the BF Field in only 6 months, and have experienced teachers guide and grade your work.... What a country!!!! (Once again I need emotion icons to place here, LOL)

http://www.universalclass.com/i/crn/7550037.htm?gclid=CNbNydmKvZsCFQJSxwodyUbn_g

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Pretty darn neat...

by Monster Hunter

and you can become an expert from the comfort of your home...

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Crypto Education?

by Pywacket

As a lark, I emailed the "University" and asked them to provide me the background and credentials for the instructor, Carol Nichols. Let's see what her "expertise" is.

Posted on Jul 5, 2009, 6:29 PM
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X-Perts

by Mr. Phelps

Don't we already have an outhouse full of experts that work from the comfort of their own home, or office, or tv studio????

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Just what we need.

by Rick Tullos

More lounge chair,lazy boy pencil neck EXPERT)researchers who run from mosquitoes and ticks like they are running from a monster.

Who's teaching them?

Sounds like the blind leading the blind to me.

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Just think . .

by EasTexSteve

To hell with tracking through the woods, swatting mosquitos, and smelling like a campfire all day. With those credentials, you could then be on shows like Legend Hunters. You could even peddle your own books at bigfoot conferences.

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What's wrong with...

by Terry

a course like this for folks who are interested? Probably the more folks who are informed would make legitimate sightings more acceptable to the masses resulting in perhaps more research. Most people live in cities and don't even know how to start a proper campfire. Dosen't mean they can't add value. You sound like my old uncle. He used to say college was a place where young people went "for a rest". lol

t.

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What can this course offer...

by Monster Hunter

that a person with a computer can't find and read for themselves about BF or any other crytid?...the point is...if you are a complete lazy slob without being intelligent enough to google items you want to search for then by all means you need these above offered courses...

BTW...here is a link on how to start a camp fire...

http://camping.about.com/cs/frequentquestions/ht/startcampfire.htm

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Yeah but...

by Terry

a correspondence course would tell you the best type of wood to burn, how to start a fire without matches, best conditions for cooking, etc., etc. Googling is ok and that's what most of us do. It's not very interactive though and one may as well get a credit while they're at it for those too lazy to take math or science.

In any case, learning is learning no matter what the format.

t.

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I guess I took the hard path to learn..

by D. Fisher

Look at the money I could have saved on hiking boots, bug spray, and research tools, when I could have learned it all in the comfort of my home.

My way takes a lifetime and no degree document to show for it....DARN

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Yes, but you would not have

by Grumpy

met the crazy people you have and I'll bet that instructor won't drop what he/she is doing and drive 12-15 hours if you needed immediate help......

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Man alive

by Crispy Critter

Why didn't I think of this?

Crispy's Crypto Online Degree!!!

The US AMRY survival handbook pretty much tells you everything you need to know. Plenty of books on tracking too.

Don't see how anyone too lazy to read the books would take an online course.

I wonder what the certificate gets you? I don't think it is college certified. Hello, I would like to transfer my 6 units of BF towards my Business degree.............LOL

If you present your Crypto degree to a Monster in the woods, will he be obliged to surrender to you?

There truly is one born every minute.

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Crispy's Crypto Online Degree!!!

by J

Yeah and once you have Crispy's degree you will have no problem getting a job in the custodial or food service industries!

hehehe

:-D

Just ribbin' ya Norlyn!
LOL

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Crazy....Maybe? But a lot of heart for sure..N/T

Rumor has it the US Dollar will be worth what the Mexican peso is, and will no longer be the Currency Used World Wide. From what I've read Russia, China and numerous other countries have already decided what the new World Currency will be.

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Sounds like our chief creditor

by Ruby Red

is about ready to call in those billion dollars worth of loans they've been giving us as far back as the Clinton administration. If I'd known at the time that George W sent us a $600 check that he'd borrowed the money to cover the check from China; I'd have sent it back with a no thank you note. I hear the slave chains rattling. Marantha!

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Game cameras...

by Monster Hunter

I guess we have tried about everything with game cameras without success...Jake leaving what appeared to be a heavily used crossing...we left the camera for two weeks without getting any photos...

[linked image]

by Grumpy

in an episode several months ago...

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Legend Hunters at MC (LINK)

by DonDon

http://www.factualtv.com/documentary/Legend-Hunters-Bigfoot
Found this today while snooping around. LOL Good to see your face Jim!!!

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Legend Hunters...

by Monster Hunter

Quite a few "Monster Hunters"...

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Yea, but...

by Timberghost

The only REAL Monster Hunter wears a funny leather hat....

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I get a kick out of that every time I see it

by DonDon

especially after what all you told us about them coming down Jim.

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I Disagree

by Rick Tullos

The only real Monster Hunter had gray hair and escorted the gentlemen around.

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Well, the producers

by Ruby Red

probably made Ken say "I'm the monster hunter" because it sounded better than "a monster hunter" just like they made April Williams and Matt Monkeyspanker run from monsters on their television show. LOL

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Thank you, thank you

(MH - thanks, btw, for the feedback. Not needed, but appreciated nontheless.)

Regards,

-Mike

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Aargh! More typos...

by MikeInNC

MH - I meant to say, "quadraped" not "bi-pedal" re: your observation.

That's what happens when I get in a rush (no internet at home, so I have to crank out the posts at work).

Frustrating!

-Mike

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I knew Mike...

by Monster Hunter

Even I make mistakes on occasion...LOL

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Mike, you not my long lost cousin are ya?

by DonDon

Everyone knows I can't spell so. I'm just saying. LOL

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Possibly......

by MikeInNC

You never know. A few generations ago there was a gentleman or two who helped propagate the species further out West

Unfortunately, when my brain is engaged faster than my optic receptors....things get overlooked. This is why I do my best thinking when I'm calmly planted behind a desk - as opposed to thinking on my feet - lol

-Mike

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Also why it's banana shaped, too.

by Ruby Red

n/t

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Arrowhead

by tx7mm

It could be a leaf, but I see a possible stone arrowhead in th middle of the track. It appears to have been stepped on. Just MHO.

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I have found...

by Monster Hunter

What appeared to be pieces of old pottery after a hard rain on one of the roads but haven't found any arrow heads...

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Caddo Indians

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reality

by woodswatcher

most people dont realize how small some bands of indians were, even back in the early 1800's. it could be entirely possible for a band of indians of a small tribe to live very well into the 1960's. i can drive 45 minutes from Tulsa and find elderly Cherokee families that dont speak english.

Ishi was alive well till 1915/16.

it would mean NOTHING to a Fortune 500 company to "off" a band of indigenous peoples ( say 20-30)in a rural area. it would be a day project.

locate, iradicate. move on to the next job.

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Speaking of the 1960's

by EasTexSteve

Rodney said:
"Well Folks we are looking at 1960"s not 1850's..."

They were still hunting aborigines in Australia in the 1960's.

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Bigfoot a Feral Indian?

by Lonewolf

That's quite a stretch, considering that stone aged and ice aged indians have traveled in groups, had verified languages and were using tools, baskets and clothing for centuries.

None of these attributes can be verifiably applied to BF.
Unclassified ANIMAL yes, feral indian, not even a remote chance.
I do agree however that a major logging company would want BF eradicated to avoid having their prime logging areas protected due to a rare ANIMAL species.

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Feral as far as domesticated is concerned Lonewolf...

by Monster Hunter

Lack of fire and known tools would put them, in our society, as being feral...as far as being "just" an animal...you can ask any good researcher who has some idea about these creatures how smart they are...there is not an animal known we can attribute some of the actions taken by these creatures...not being able to get clear photos...what animal do we know of that we can't get clear quality pictures of?...none that I am aware of...cutting my feeder ropes, taking the cut down feeder and either carrying or dragging the feeder into the woods...this drives me nuts and BTW...when the rope isn't cut the limb the feeder is hung on is broken...limbs we have swung on to make sure it took something large and heavy to break the limbs...

When I fed in the bottoms on a regular basis I would find blue jay and cardinal feathers on the trail I walked to the plot...I can't think of one animal that would do this...if a cat was getting the birds why would they always leave the feathers scattered down the trail?...also stick formations like the below...hard to believe any known animal is capable of doing this...

[linked image]

by Cindy

Not saying it isn't a possibility. But you do need a source of appropraite material. Any of you booger chasers lose a buck knife out at MC?

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LOL...not that I am aware of Cindy...

by Monster Hunter

But...we had a booger chaser lose a 9mm handgun...LOL...

After finding the knife I had a couple of old pocket or as the old timers called them...folding knives around the house...most red necks do...but I stuck them in a few trees in different areas...not one was missing...

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Texas has the Alibates Flint fields

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IF you want to keep your feeders up

by Ruby Red

put up game cams near all of them. Of course that may be very expensive but it may deter this kind of BF habit and thus allow the feeders to serve the purpose you put them up for.

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Sasquatch as Human

by J

I don't have a problem with Sasquatch as a human. I have no idea if it is or is not but I can imagine a few scenarios where it could be.

IF the PG film depicts a 'human' Sasquatch then visually there is no problem with that. It walks upright, turns and moves like a human, has a very human looking foot and hands. MK once said the only thing that makes it look 'animal' is it's covered with hair. Everything else looks human. Which is true. This is why there has been a debate for years over whether it is a costume or not, because it is so human looking.

So if we assume it is not a costume then it fits 'human' better than ape. It has a human stride and gait.

Since we are speculating consider this...

At some time in the distant past a tribe of Indians had a epidemic of some disease. Most died, but those who survived developed a change. The disease activated a recessive gene that turned on their hair growth. They started growing hair all over.

Most other tribes would avoid them because they would not understand. So this tribe bred within itself, causing that gene to be passed on from generation to generation. No longer having contact with other tribes they would not learn languages nor develop the morals of the other tribes, so they would steal and become far more primitive. Without social contact they would degenerate into an almost animal like behavior. Further causing other tribes to shun them. Legends and tales of them would eventually lead to something like the "Sasquatch". A man-animal, or a mystical beast.

White man comes along and furthers the legend with tales and stories they too don't understand. Sightings of the few remaining descendants of this tribe lead to stories of "Bigfoot" and other fanciful ways of explaining what they saw.

The recessive gene could also be responsible for the bulky look of the tribe as generation after generation continued to pass it on and the tribe developed traits more akin to a previous version of man. But, even if that didn't happen the change in diet and social patterns could cause them to adapt to a more bulky look. Survival of the fittest.

They would lose the ways of other tribes and survive on their own, more akin to animals than man.

With the introduction of white men the social indians are all but wiped out. But the non social Sasquatch would continue to survive avoiding man and extinction. All they would have to do is what they had been doing for centuries, avoid man. Live like an animal.

Anyway, just more speculation to digest.

Possible? Plausible? Could this explain "Sasquatch?"
J.

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Re: Sasquatch as Human

by Monster Hunter

That a boy J Mike...good post...

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Consider this . .

by EasTexSteve

J Michaels said:
"IF the PG film depicts a 'human' Sasquatch then visually there is no problem with that. It walks upright, turns and moves like a human, has a very human looking foot and hands. MK once said the only thing that makes it look 'animal' is it's covered with hair. Everything else looks human. Which is true. This is why there has been a debate for years over whether it is a costume or not, because it is so human looking..
Possible? Plausible? Could this explain "Sasquatch?"

If Sasquatch in the Pacific Northwest was a feral indian, that would explain what they see in the PNW. But, it won't explain what we see around here and in other parts of the country. What we see doesn't look like Patty. It's a stretch to say that it even looks human.

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PNW vs South

by J

I agree that what is seen in the south is not the same as the PNW Sasquatch. The description and basic behavior of the two are different.

"Bigfoot" is a catch all term, anything that is seen to be unusual in the woods across America gets labeled "Bigfoot". Even sounds and things not seen often get placed under the same heading.

It would be far more likely that a primate gravitated to the southern climate, primates would not fair well in the northern climates and regions like the PNW. I believe they could survive but would adapt to a very different animal than the PNW Sasquatch.

For example, a primate species left to adapt to the PNW environment would almost always walk on all fours. The terrain and rocky steep cliffs would make the animal adapt to low crawling and climbing.

Here in the south it is mostly flat land. Quadruped makes more sense.
Imagine you are a primate in the PNW chasing a rabbit for your next meal. Do you want to run upright across hills and rocky mounds, or drop and outrun your prey?

Now imagine you are a primate in the south. Both have their advantages to catch the same prey. You can sprint quickly than pounce on all fours much more rapid without having to balance and navigate as hard. Walking upright has its advantages for observation and normal navigation but when push comes to shove, you will drop and scoot.

It's harder to do that in the PNW. Staying down would be the best advantage at all times.

However in the PNW we do not see a quadruped. It is almost always described as walking 'like a human'. Which would be a disadvantage for the animal unless it was already upright when it adapted to the PNW environment.

Where you are will determine what you are.

Thus, my opinion is we have two species. An ape-like primate in the south and a human-like being in the PNW. Both being labeled "Bigfoot".

Animals that became stuck on the Galapagos Islands adapted to where they were and became new species. Humans in rocky environments adapted their feet to stand on cliffs and fish. They are still very human, but now with a very different foot structure. (See photo in threads below)

IF the PNW Sasquatch started out human then it is still human with adaptations along the way to adjust to being hairy and living more like an animal than a human. It would lose clothing, it doesn't need it. It would forage differently. It may not need fire as now it has a fur covering. Plus fire would draw attention to itself. It is shy and wants to avoid humans unlike itself. Humans = trouble.

No longer eating maze and growing crops but now sustaining on mostly meat it can catch and eat raw would cause it to bulk up.
Human + meat = bulk.
Human + meat & veggies = slim and trim. (or fat if not exercising )

Diet, environment and social attitude will shape the creature in many different ways.

It is my opinion that the PNW sasquatch is either human or very close to it. This critter we have down here is not even close. It's an ape. For me everything about it screams ape. Thus a "Swamp" ape.

J.

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Good explanation J,

by Lonewolf

your explanation definately sounds plausible.

One point I think is important is that their avoidance of humans is the key to their success as a species.
That also confuses me when you hear of them invading farms, etc. where the risk of being discovered is high.
I suppose this could be explained by hunger/lack of available food or possibly being pushed out by others of its kind, or .......logging companies.

Migration habits, water, the reasons are many however they must be feeling some type of desperation to come close to humans. Remember any time humans involve themselves in animal management a disater is soon to follow.

In many ways I believe them to be smarter than some humans.

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But, what I'm saying is . .

by EasTexSteve

But, what I'm saying is BF is not a feral indian. What I'm saying is that what they encountered at Bluff Creek may not have been BF.

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Just a thought

by Ruby Red

I remember what Jay said on PalTalk one Friday about the Chinese explorers who may have dropped off the emperor's Yeti army somewhere in North America, probably in the PNW and California. And here's where you guys need to suspend reality for a minute--perhaps the Yeti soldiers, who had lived in civilization were less feral than the native people of the area. The yeti soldiers raided those Indian villages and carried off women to be their mates. The result of their cross-breeding was (tah-dah) Patty and her clan.

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Ishi?

by chattahoocheebigfoot

Does anyone know how close that the Bluff Creek area is to the reported place that the Native American "Ishi" walked out upon civilization? Dates?

Jeffrey Teagle

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Not that far

by Grumpy

Oroville California is not that far from Bluff Creek when traveled cross country. But IMO this is not the same creature we have in the South. The area surrounding Bluff Creek has a rich history of sightings and from the sightings/encounters related to me when I lived in the area these creature are much larger and stronger than those within the South, I've never either heard of or been told of encounters where they walked or ran other than bi-pedal.

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I believe you are right Grumpy...

by Monster Hunter

Quadruped at times, ape face, some with snouts, tracks make them different then what is in the P/G film...

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I Believe

by Grumpy

Kind of like Southern Boys, they develop an attitude at a young age..... Maybe what we have are the run away pets of what's in the PNW LOL

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Close as the crow flies

by Crispy Critter

I think you can still lose yourself in the Oroville area. I've been up there a couple times this year, plenty of nothing to go around.

Feral Indian is a pretty good thought. There was that 1812 report from Mt. Diablo that described a clan of mean Indians, that sure sounded a lot like the PGF subject.

I have long said what is in that film is not what I have seen in the South. I could believe a Feral Indian. Heck, a lost band could have been less than 10. Probably quite happy til the loggers showed up - whatever they were.

Logging companies have not been known for politeness when it comes to clearing out an area.

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i dunno about that

by woodswatcher

i've seen a couple that were in the size class of the PNW critters. we have them, there might be 2 different types down here- but i know for a fact that there are 2 BIG ONES down here.

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Why Feral Indians??

by John Bamburg

It seems to me that Weyerhouser would certainly pay to have Bigfoot eradicated.
Even in the 60s, the fact that Bigfoot is found to be real and living in remote areas, would be a significant threat to the timber harvesting rights, the company had purchased at extremely small sums from the US government. Just as it would today.
I have no doubt that even today, these large companies do horrendous things to protect their profit margins. Weyerhouser is not a small logging operation. They are a massive international operation. They were in the 60s and they are today. Truly massive.
Even today they are being fought tooth and nail by conservationists in South America and on other continents for the way they are stripping the rain forests, ruining wildlife habitat and yes, even displacing and killing indigenous people.
Granted, Weyerhouser isn't actually doing the killing, but they are hiring folks to move those indians and they are not picky about how this happens as long as they are gone when the logging trucks arrive. Just my two cents

that I read in Peter Byrne's book "In Search of Bigfoot" that the Minnesota Iceman was shot through the heart, not the head. As Cindy has said, please correct me, if I'm mistaken.

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Make that O and I, please

Tree stand climber? I doubt it because....

by MIkeInNC

The figure moves too quickly.

If the subject is a juvenile human of around 5'-6' tall - that person just climbed roughly his/her own height in what?.... a 1/2 second? Even a 4'-5' tall person would be performing an astounding feat of agility, with their much shorter legs.

Otherwise, it doesn't appear that the subject climbed.....the subject leapt upwards in one fluid motion and apparently stayed up (as we don't know what happens to the subject immediatly after the leap).

What can leap like that?

Person? If the person is a gymnast or fit martial arts person, perhaps, but.....?
Bear? They can climb, but I've never seen one leap on a nature show.
Monkey? Easily
Other mammals? I've seen video of foxes/coyotes leaping up at birds and such, but up into a tree?
Feral cat, bobcat, or - at the estimated 4' - undocumented large cat? Easily.

The subject does seem to have long arms - but those could also be the outstretched limbs of a feline...first on a branch or log....before it leaps up.

Subject seems to have a humanoid-shaped head..... But with tree trunks, limbs, leaves, etc. between the recorder and subject, the complete shape is obscured.....leaving the viewer (us) to fill-in the blanks. This can lead to various interpretations based upon individual experience, or expectations. (How many bi-pedal, humanoid-shaped hunters are accidentally shot each year because, somehow - for just a few, fleeting moments - they looked like a quadraped deer?

)

The subject, if feline, could be facing towards or away from the camera and turning its head sideways, creating the illusion of a tall body with a head on top. It could then have extended one limb (or two, creating the illusion of one large limb) outwards onto some branch/log/etc. before leaping. I see my cats act in a similar fashion all the time..... Testing a surface before leaping up towards some other area.

Now, can a juvenile BF leap like that? Who knows? Do we have 100% indisputible evidence (video, or large number of reports from reputable eye witnesses) confirming that small BFs leap into trees? Not to my knowledge.

What muscle to weight ratio (or whatever scientific term monkey experts would call it) is required to leap like that? It actually means very little if we don't have a juvenile BF body to weigh/measure.

After the subject leaps up, it disappears. It could be on a branch behind the trunk. Who/what could balance like that so quickly? Cat? Yes. Monkey? Yes? Other? Don't know.

If a juvenile BF si 4' tall....how wide does a tree trunk need to be to hide its heat signature? Pretty wide, I'd imagine. Could other trees between the camera and subject have hidden the heat signature? Sure. Would a BF be able to balance on a branch so that it were completely hidden from view. I guess. I don't know.

Can a cat sit on a branch and take up little more width than a branch? Hell, I just have to see my cats balance on all kinds of narrow pieces of furniture to answer that one. Yes!

My conclusions....

If a 100% reputable/honest BF hunter says he/she was tracking a known (or very highly probable) BF and it leapt up into a tree, I'd believe it was probably a BF.

Barring that background, I'd say it was a feline of some kind.

-Mike

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Maybe....maybe not...

by Pywacket

You could be right Mike, however, the way this "thermal video" is presented looks like a hoax video to me. No reason to pan the camera away. The person should have been panning the camera up, not away.

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That's why

by Grumpy

I made my tongue in cheek comment about the heat signature just disappearing. We all know it was still there and easily picked up by the thermal camera.... kinda like all the quick panning, zooming and fuzzy video(s) we see posted.

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I don't disagree.....

by MikeInNC

Everything in BFology centers around, "Hoax or no-hoax" and "Do you see what I see in this picture/video" etc. etc.

We've all seen so many obvious, and even clever hoaxes, that all we can do nowadays is take any new info with a grain of salt.

Could the vid be a hoax? Sure!

I can't hear any sound because my computer at work doesn't have sound - and I don't have internet in the new house yet. I just ran with the video and looked for any way to explain what I saw.

I don't see a BF. Or, at least, not enough info to convince me it wasn't something else.

I'm still sticking with "feline".

-Mike

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Who is this man?...

by Monster Hunter

Could this be Beckjord?...

[linked image]

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Nope

by Rodney Perry

Nope, Eric is blond hair so sorry it is not him.

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Could be...

by chattahoocheebigfoot

Yes. It could be. During those times, Beckjord was of that build and also donned a beard (which was browny red) NOT completely blonde. With the person's back turned, it could very well be Beckjord.

by J

There were a couple of times we 'argued' over film vs video but for the most part I agreed with him. Film is better.

Beckjord owned a couple of 16mm cameras. When & where I don't know but yes he often expounded on film being better and that is what he shot with.

When digital video editing came along he didn't have the money or computer capable of editing video. His computer was ancient and he often posted only in forums that allowed basic text. He played with animated gifs but that was the extent of his computer skills. He was 'old school'.

[linked image]

The picture above was taken in the 1970's and is probably the camera he had used for a while. It's expensive and EB was never known for having a ton of money.

The camera above sits on what is called a 'rail', this is a plate that allows it to be mounted on many kinds of tripods and crane systems. It also will support that long telephoto lens he has. (Another very expensive gadget) Notice the white square thing that the long lens rests on.

This is a 16mm camera and far superior to the K-100 Patterson had. Video had not yet come of age and would not till the 1980's. In the 1970's only TV crews and networks had video cameras.

I bought my first video camera in 1987, before that I shot film. There is a interview on video of Leary but it appears to have been shot by a network.

Leary had a lot of ideas that fell right in with Beckjord. Ideas about interdenominational and spiritual manifestations. Being from Berkley and moving in close circles with Leary it is possible they knew each other, or Beckjord was influenced by him. By 1978 Beckjords ideas had changed to include many Leary type ideas. Beckjord was also rumored to have 'done LSD'.

I guess the question here is did John Green & Beckjord know each other prior to the PG film, or during?

By the 1970's and 80's they were pals with Beckjord often 'crashing' at Greens place. When & where that friendship happened is anyones guess. For two people that obviously opposed each other on basic issues (kill - no kill) to be such friends probably meant they had some common bond. But that could be anything.

At this point I'm pretty sure Beckjord did have extensive knowledge of film at that time. If that means anything in the scope of MK's investigation is anyones guess.

Beckjord was very open on the internet but a very secretive man behind the scenes. Most had no idea what he did for money/jobs. Placing him at the film site will be difficult if not impossible. But his boasting often left tell-tale signs, as in the post above and his connection to Leary.

Perhaps someone can connect the dots?
J.

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He Did Know Him...

by chattahoocheebigfoot

Over the past three years before Beckjord died; we spoke often over the phone. Several times when he called he said that he had "just gotten off of the phone with John Green!" I asked one time how he met JG and he stated that they met at a film festival in Northern California years ago. When was that year? Who knows...BUT I do know that they spoke with each other months prior to J-EB's death.

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Jeff...remember to remove your email address before posting...

by Monster Hunter

Thanks

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I believe...

by J

...though I am not sure that Beckjord and Green knew each other at least back to the 1970's. How far back is the question. It would be interesting to find out when that film festival occurred.

Green & Beckjord met at a film festival? Was Green covering it for his newspaper or did he enter? How much did Green know about editing and film?

As a journalist he may very well have known film.

After the PG film was shot and Green was at blue mountain he has a pretty nifty camera with him. Not a basic 16mm, that camera is very pro for the era. My assumption, based on the level of camera he had, is he probably was either a devoted amateur or did some pro shooting.

Dunno.

J.

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"Film Festival"

by SitesFarm

"Film Festival"? Mmmm. How many films make a festival? Two? Three? Four? Let's see . . . how many film-makers were there in '67? Patterson, Dahinden, Green . . . Beckjord? Would anyone describe EB as having a wry sense of humor?

Since EB's passing, who wears his mantle now?

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by J

I agree Lonewolf. I'm not trying to place EB at the film site, only understand his qualifications at the time. Can you show me somewhere that he said he did not own that camera? I appreciate it. He had mentioned to me a couple of times that he owned two 16mm cameras.

Yes he was originally a pro-kill proponent then did a 180 in the '70's and became no-kill. Why is another question. It may have been because of influence from Leary or Leary types.

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Or maybe . .

by EasTexSteve

J Michaels said:
"Yes he [EB] was originally a pro-kill proponent then did a 180 in the '70's and became no-kill. Why is another question. It may have been because of influence from Leary or Leary types."

Or, maybe he was at Bluff Creek, and what he saw there changed his mind.

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Guilt

by J

Guilt and the use of drugs can play havoc on a mans mentality. IF indeed he witnessed some slaughter then maybe later he justified it by turning them into para-spirit beings that couldn't die? Dunno.
If so it would explain his passion for his theories and why fighting for them (theories) were so important, to accept they are real would mean he would have to accept his part (or the part of others) in killing some.

He was adamant that they 'could not be killed' and often went on a tirade defending that point, to the point of harassing others.

Again, I do not think he was there. But Green may have shown him footage? If he saw film of them then it may have "warped his little mind" LOL

But, keep in mind everyone that this is all speculation. Personally i find it interesting looking into the psychology of EB. He was a smart man that went nuts. I'd like to know why.

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Hi J,

by Lonewolf

I do not have any proof in print regarding the camera, I spoke to EB several times via telephone, and at one point I had asked him about the camera in his famous Nessie shot that has been used here to show his equipment.

He laughed and commented that at the time he could never have afforded a camera like that and said it was provided to him by the Nessie expedition sponsor.
Whether this was a true statement or not I do not know and I cannot verify other than what he said.

I still strongly doubt EB was involved.

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Yep

by J

Some of the aforementioned is based on what he told me. He was known to embellish and even lie. But, we can only base this on what we know and what was said.
I don't think he was there either but he may have played a role later. Dunno.

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Red Herrings

by Ruby Red

In a murder investigation, a mystery story detective like Hercule Poirot tries to avoid focusing on all of the "red herrings" a killer throws out to steer an investigation off track and create a diversion. There were too many "red herrings" in the story of what actually happened at Bluff Creek in 1967; perhaps EB's role was being one of the red herrings...but I have no idea. I wasn't there when this event occurred, although I wish I had been. If I'd witnessed what happened to Patty and possibly five other Sasquatch creatures, my conscience would have made me fess up years ago.

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Re: Red Herrings

by Monster Hunter

You have to investigate all the information when possible...but you are right...misinformation has been laid...people involved misdirected us in directions that are meaningless...but as time passes and we thoroughly investigate all the leads we can come up with some type of theory of actions taken at Bluff Creek...

First things first...MK uncovered segments of the film that produced evidence of wrong doings...without his tedious study of film we would still be arguing whether this was a real creature or a man in a suit...IMO...there is overwhelming evidence creatures were shot and killed at Bluff Creek...we know from film, bloody dog print, that Patterson/Gimlin were there with Green and his party...we also know from a recorded interview that P/G were there the same time as was Green and party...

I do understand that some refuse to look at the facts presented...I do understand John Green is/was idolized for his role in the BF phenomenon and rightfully so for some of his work...but to intentionally conceal facts that would or could possibly explain what these creatures are is inexcusable IMO...none of us that are pro kill want to be associated in harvest for discovery "if" this creature is some type of human...

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Right you are!

by Ruby Red

n/t

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Patterson-Gimlin Participants...

by chattahoocheebigfoot

Greetings,

This may be a topic that has already been covered but "is there definitive proof of all participants involved in the killing of one or more bigfoot at Bluff Creek 1967?"

I know John Green was there; Bob Titmus, Rene Dahinden BUT who were all of the major players? I have even heard about far-fetched ideas that place Jon-Erik Beckjord there due to his photography expertise.....

Jeff Teagle

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All the information you asked...

by Monster Hunter

is on the forum other then the connection of Beckjord...we know he was a photography buff if not an expert...could he have developed and edited the film?...we also know Beckjord and Green were friends from different camps of kill or no kill...Beckjord became no kill sometime after the Bluff Creek Incident...

Other ties to the murder of these creatures could be the Minnesota Iceman...a corpse for display that had been shot in the eye according to a report...I'll not mention the report simply because I think that all interested should do a bit of research for them selves...

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Could the Minnesota Iceman...

by Monster Hunter

been a slain creature from Bluff Creek?...

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Re: Could the Minnesota Iceman...

by Cindy

Now that is an interesting thought! None of the Bluff Creek players were involved in the Iceman study, were they. I thought the main report was made by Heuvelman and Sanderson (I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong). How interesting!

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The corpse of the Iceman...

by Monster Hunter

by Monster Hunter

To demonstrate how difficult it is to discern if human or Monster...a flat footed track that doesn't have any toe ball push visible...These could easily be misinterpreted for Monster tracks...however;...the below tracks are made by human...my nephew had his trap set before the water dried up...so he waded the mud bare footed to retrieve his trap...

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So, do I earn partial credit?

by MikeInNC

In the earlier thread I had the following observations....

"-Is the area inaccessable to normal individuals? (no roads/trails nearby - very isolated area - is fenced off, etc)?
-No new sign of legal/illegal hunting/fishing activity (wrappers, cig butts, etc.)
-Is it far enough off the beaten path that it wouldn't be a hobo/drifter?
-No guests, visitors, neighbors in the area?
-Not made by either of you (to test field researcher and arm-chair researcher ID skills? LOLOL)"

Well, the area WAS accessible (obviously)....there WAS some fishing/trapping occurring at the location (legal it seems

)....your nephew WAS a visitor/guest....and the picture WAS used in a test of BFing skills (btw - BUSTED!!! - lol)

4 outta 5.

What say ye?

-Mike

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Good job Mike...

by Monster Hunter

at being non-committed to either human or monster...LOL

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Just playin' the odds, lol.....

by MikeInNC

Plausable deniability and opportunistic credit-taking works every time :D

Good God! I've become a politician!

I need help!

Still though, my logic did point to the correct conclusion! (patting myself on back - lol)

-Mike

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No

by Lonewolf

mid tarsel break.

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Mid Tarsal Break...

by Monster Hunter

Is there a mid tarsal break in any of the below casts and track?...

[linked image]

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to fuzzy to tell but there does not appear to be,

by Grumpy

these tracks appear to be made by a heavy flat footed bi-pedal creature and IMO not one with the ability to change gait between bi-pedal/quadrupedal without stopping like those we have in the South.

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Tracks found at MC...

by Monster Hunter

Jake and I found these at the small pond that is darn near dried up...look these over closely...IYO...Monster or human?...

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Look Human to me......

by Okiebear

Not much of an arch on whoever was in there......Guess they don't need arch supports like me.......

OB

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Tracks

by Monster Hunter

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Tracks for comparison...

by Monster Hunter

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Re: Tracks found at MC...

by Monster Hunter

These tracks were about 11 inches in length...

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Speaking of tracks...

by Monster Hunter

I do believe if I found a set of tracks like the below I wouldn't follow them...

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Reckon where they buy their shoes?...

by Monster Hunter

More times then not...

by Monster Hunter

Critters spread their toes in a soft or muddy surface...the above three toed tracks are in a blanket of maze that was spilled when opening the bag to feed the quail we saw the day before...animals spread their toes on a muddy or soft surface to help keep balance and to keep from sinking deeper...take your dog for a walk and notice the size of their tracks when walking through a muddy surface...they usually spread their toes for the above mentioned...

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not necessarily

by woodswatcher

i think they side walk on the outside of the foot angling the inside arch up in a twisting motion.

the track you see only tells a part of the physical motion.

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Re: not necessarily

by Monster Hunter

The arch I've noticed over the years is when this animal is quadruped...when bipedal...flat footed...

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Another track...

by Monster Hunter

The below is a non-typical track found here...this track was found next to my truck after returning from a food plot...it stepped in a soft area with the surface sticking to the bottom of its foot...may or may not have five toes but the other five toed tracks I've seen here look like this track...notice to the top right of the track...an unknown three toed critter...

The track was approximately 6 to 7 inches in length...

[linked image]

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Track with arch...

by Monster Hunter

This track was found in the same area however this critter was four wheeling...after years of thinking this was a common trait among females I trailed tracks down a sandy embankment...flat footed tracks, three toes headed down into the creek bed...when it reached the creek bed it went down quadruped and began walking on the outside of its foot producing a track similar to the below...the youngster with her left a few scuff marks until it reached a muddy surface where I could see a few knuckle impressions...there were fresh water mussels opened by this remaining water hole...this could very well be a common trait of both female and male when quadruped...however; when finding tracks with an arch I have usually found smaller tracks along side...

[linked image]

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For those who know Jake...

by Monster Hunter

He's been going with me for years...hard to believe he graduated high school and is headed off to college and I don't have a replacement until my grandsons get a few more years on them...the boy knows Monsters...

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Jake and Josh...

by Monster Hunter

My two sons at Jake's graduation...

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Love that Pic Jim

by DonDon

hate you're losing your full time Monster hunting buddie but I'm know you're proud he's doing as good as he is!!!

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You and your missus dun good!

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Good Luck New Orleans!!

by Go200mph

Just when New Orleans was getting back on it's feet from Katrina, Here comes a Double whammy, Hurricane Venessa and Himacane DonDon.(LOL) It don't stand a chance.

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I can see the headlines now............

by Ken3030

Man Arrested for Fishing Naked on the Mississippi River!

LOL

Congratulations guys!

Ken

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Either arrested

by Lou

Or, the mayor might appoint him head of Wildlife & Fisheries Dept

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Honey Island Swamp Monster Video

by J

In case you've never seen it, the Honey Island Swamp Monster video is now being featured on the Main Page of Conundrums.

J
http://conundrums.ning.com/

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Is an awesome Video J

by DonDon

I actually had it on my computer for the last Mississippi meeting and we played it there!!!!

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Excellent work J Mike...

by Monster Hunter

Harlan, like many researchers/investigators, may have seen something in the swamps of Southern Louisiana at one time...but like most...it's not easy finding evidence to document so they create their own...

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It was one of the first videos I checked out

by Ruby Red

on yours and M.K.'s web page. Interesting stuff!

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I put this animation up a few days back...

by Monster Hunter

As you watch this animation you will see Patty take a hard step to her right...it appeared there was something to her left foot that caused this step...Mike saw something that may be important and explain this step...at the beginning of the animation to the right of the tree, our right, in the background you can see some movement...IYO...what is this object that moves?...

[linked image]

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I know I've got a good imagination

by Ruby Red

because when the animation stopped and the frame froze, I saw a man, holding something in his hands, standing on the left side of retreating Patty. If ( I was Patty) and I suddenly saw a human stand up in the trees to my left, I'd have made a hard step to the right, too. But as I said, this may only be a product of shadows, small trees and a good imagination.

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I find it strange she didn't hit the woods...

by Monster Hunter

From experience and I know others will tell you the same...these creatures hit cover ASAP when possible...something or maybe someone caused her to remain on the sandy creek bed...

One thing we do know....there is a shooter in the woods, muzzle flash, she heads almost directly to...there is no way in hexx these creatures are the same as I have here...these here make mistakes but nothing like what is in this film...

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Maybe Patty was outnumbered

by Ruby Red

and she knew it. And she was doing all she could to draw their fire and save her family unit. It's a pity the plan didn't work. Those six casts Patterson proudly displayed makes it obvious to me that both young and old were in the area and no doubt killed.

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Additional observations on this clip...

by MikeInNC

-At the first frame of the clip Patty is standing on her LEFT LEG.
-Her entire body moves markedly downward on the RIGHT LEG step.
-This suggests to me that she's on slightly higher ground on frame 1 and is possibly stepping into a slight depression on uneven ground.
-I suggest this as her RIGHT LEG remains straight on the down-step (no buckling in any perceived way) and her entire body seems to be lower in the frame.

Yes, she is walking away from the camera and that would make her appear smaller, but I don't think the effect would be that much in just one step.

On the other hand, however, it makes no sense for her to step into/onto the white object to the right of the tree (branches or whatever they are) as it would be an impediment to her escape. But then, we don't see what she sees. She may consider the items to be small and unobtrusive and she doesn't care.

Now, I do notice this....

The white blob to the right of the tree (our view) is "up against" the big tree at the beginning of the clip. (See the white trunk....the shadow-side of the tree - on the right from our perspective - and the white object she steps in front of/on/through/whatever. At the downward LEFT LEG step, look between her lower legs. It looks like the entire white object moved away from bottom right edge (our perspective) of the tree.

This could just be her big calves blocking the item in the last frame, but I do think I see the base of the tree.

It's very difficult to tell. Her LEFT calf becomes a dark blur at the last frame and I can't tell exactly where the back of the calf is, though the LEFT shin seems pretty well defined.

It may just be that she really stepped onto/kicked the white object and moved/flattened/rotated the item.

As for movement in the treeline in the background. I've stared at the individual areas of light-colored object (branches, trees, etc. etc.) I've looked at them as "known objects" (example: I'm looking at a branch") and I've also stared at them as "pixels" or spots of light (to remove any preconceived notion of what I think I'm looking at).

Looking at these individual areas from the beginning to the end of the clip, the camera movement makes them fuzz and blur at times, but when the camera becomes more steady, the objects seem to snap back into place.

So I'm not seeing any movement of an item from one starting position or shape into a new position or shape.

My perspective is that the camera is creating the illusion of movement in the background as a normal effect of camera movement.

....just my personal observations.

(If there's something n the background that could be outlined or zoomed in on to show what else might be there....)

-Mike

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The object behind and next to the tree could be...

by Monster Hunter

a left handed shooter shouldering their rifle causing Patty to step to her right...my opinion from what I can see in an obscure animation...the tree is a larger tree she walks in front of...watch this animation several times and you will see this object move...

[linked image]

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MH - Have a look at this......

by MikeInNC

MH,

Regarding the clip being discussed on this thread:

See the vid at Conundrums http://conundrums.ning.com/video/bigfoot-photographs

Yes, many/most are fakes - ignore those.

At 0:50 / 0:52 there's a frame from the clip being discussed on this thread. The picture is sharp, and there are lots of colors which provide greater detail.

Is it possible to get more frames of this quality for this discussion? Is there an entire clip available with this quality level?

OR - is this some artificially-enhanced item which could have been altered/manipulated.

Thanks.

-Mike

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I have a call into MK now Mike...

by Monster Hunter

For some reason we keep missing each other...

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Look this still over...

by Monster Hunter

Shouldn't be any doubt in any one's mind that these men were hunting these creatures...even the skeptics should now understand the dog was brought in to track these creatures...

[linked image]

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the only

by scott from philly

really fishy thing I see is the single print on frame 352
that meaning only one print?
the dog had to have then stopped in his tracks, and walked backwards, not turning around, and in same track....that would be unless someone cleaned up the sand where tracks were

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The bloody dog tracks...

by Monster Hunter

were edited out of the film Scott...the editor missed this one...

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Re: The bloody dog tracks...

by Monster Hunter

Re That Short Film

Was this short film of a young one trying to get away only to be snatched back ever aired on TV?

I ask because I remember seeing a clip on TV (15-20 years ago?) that appeared to show a hairy black arm reaching out from the leafy undergrowth across a narrow foot trail and pulling something small and black back under the foliage. I cannot for the life of me remember anything more about it.

To reveal the action the film had to be slowed down considerably. Otherwise, it was all a blur.

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The short clip is private stock...

by Monster Hunter

Timber showed it to a couple of us a few years back...you can clearly see one huge Monster and the little one attempting to break free...

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That was a pretty neat film he had.

by DonDon

No doubt what was going on

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Yes it is Don...

by Monster Hunter

The video was taken right behind Timber's home...the man doesn't need to scout around for Monsters...he has them at the house...

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You got that right Jim

by DonDon

Some of the things he's told me are down right spooky. Least some of them have a sense of humor with some of the things they're done to him. LOL I'd seen that clip about 2 weewks before he showd it to us at MC last year somewhere else and you couldn't tell as much as you could from his clean copy. I can't remember where I saw it but I think someone had tried to clean it up abit and it actually made it worse

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Yes he does

by Ruby Red

and sometimes they visit when MH and Chester Sr. are there to hear them knock. We remember that story well...it was a good one. We also apologize AGAIN for waking up all of you up at 6 a.m.

mea culpa again!

RR and Silver

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Awww heck......

by MikeInNC

I guess that means it won't be posted here?

-Mike

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You never know Mike...

by Monster Hunter

Timber may put it out for the public one day...

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YouTube video...

by Monster Hunter

This video is a copy taken from the Discovery Channel which was furnished by John Green with his commentary...notice the film is backwards (BTW...John Green called Patterson a rank amateur concerning Pattersons filming but yet he shows this to the Discovery Channel backwards...ever notice when you criticize someone it comes back around and bites you on the butt) but there is some type of artifact with the person claiming it is a hat...notice the right side of the animation...you can see the word Discovery along with their emblem...in this copy the artifact is in several frames so we know that it is something...exactly what it is...unknown...

[linked image]

A still of the artifact which has been corrected so it will be on the left side of the still...

[linked image]

anyone have any ideas of what this could be?...

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Mike in N.C.has a good eye for detail...

by Monster Hunter

okay Mike...let us have your opinion...

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Uh Oh......

Is it that hot in OK, Okie?

by Ruby Red

cause that same temperature 101 was predicted for my area in Texas with a heat index of 110. Dear God, I'm sorry for whatever it was I did or said that has caused that stupid high pressure system to park its ugly butt over Texas, etc. Please move that dad-blasted high away. My brain is fried. IF I caused all of this heat to burn up your garden, Don or your grass MH, I'm SOOOOO sorry.

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Quite alright about the grass RR...

by Monster Hunter

it's my brain I'm worried about...never wore a hat in my life until now...

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Hard step to the right...

by Monster Hunter

the below animation is what MK and I saw several years back...look carefully and you can see an object that appears to come from the ground at the beginning of the animation...BTW...this took place early in the film...

[linked image]

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Something on the ground....

by MikeInNC

When the clip starts, you can see a bright, white object just to the right of the tree.

The object which appears to jump up seems to match the color of that white object and the object, "coming up from the ground" seems to occupy that exact same space.

Is the object perhaps a dead/cut tree and Patty's left foot is stepping among the branches? Her foot may be hidden briefly.....or she could have stepped on debris, causing one part of a branch to pop up or shift.

Can it be discerned if this is some other debris, like a cloth/tarp? Is there another working theory....like perhaps a foot snare?

Could you post another clip which runs an extra step or two so we can see what happens when the left foot comes up and the right foot crosses the area of the white object. Maybe we can see what the white object does?

Thanks.

-Mike

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I see what you are talking about Mike...

by Monster Hunter

I'll have MK take a look and hopefully send us a few more frames...

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Patterson & different cameras...

by Monster Hunter

The picture of Roger Patterson on the right, came from the tracking dog video, and it was embedded in the film. This is from Rene Dahinden, and came from his possessions. Notice the growth of his beard compared to when he is casting tracks...BTW...same shirt without the jacket....cool in the mornings and evenings and warm during the day...

In the still of Roger casting the track it seems we should see other tracks or at least one more...from experience, in this type of surface, tracks should be very visible...the ground in this area has been pulverized by equipment and logs and is not the soil Gimlin claimed he jumped from a stump without making a track...why the heck this didn't ring a bell with visiting researchers after the filming is beyond me...maybe it was and I haven't found it "yet"...

[linked image]

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Buttons

I dont think the coat was ever buttoned. You can see the buttons on the left pic. Look at where his right elbow is. It are pressed up against his rib cage which would cause the stiff jacket together. The pic on the right his right arm is not pressed up against his rib cage so the jacket is loose and open. Not sure if the jacket being button or unbuttons means anything.

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Patterson's coat

by M.K.Davis

Brent wrote: Not sure if the jacket being button or unbuttons means anything.

It would only mean that there were two poses for two cameras, but you don't really need the jacket to see that. The quality is starkley different.

Brent wrote: I dont think the coat was ever buttoned. You can see the buttons on the left pic.

You may be correct about that Brent, however, the outside buttons are probably decorative I think. The coat probably buttons or zips from the inside. Good observing though, this is why these photos are being posted. Look them over good. M.K.

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Just taking a WAG

by Bitter Monk

In the frame of Patterson casting the track the print is of the left foot. It could be that the right print if there is one is obscured by Patterson's body.

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Jacket and foot prints

by MikeInNC

The jacket: From our perspective - the bottom-right of the jacket is much higher than the left. Either he buttoned the jacket all bass-ackwards, or the jacket is not buttoned and is just riding up a bit due to arm location....as previously pointed out. The second picture shows the bottom-right of the jacket now at about the same length as the bottom-left of the jacket.

Also, in the first pic, there's no overlapping of material on the left and right sides of the jacket so that buttons could be used.

There is a slight time difference between the frames (even though the pose and the background remain the same in each picture) as the hand grips on the casts are different in the two frames.

Footprints: I was thinking the same thing....that perhaps the right foot print is hidden by Patterson's body - with the next left foot print visible further away...by Patterson's face/hat.

Though BF tracks seem (in pics and reports) to generally run in a straight line - if a BF needs to turn its upper-body to get a better look over its shoulder - then perhaps a BF would also take a step to the right, or left, to aid in a greater peripheral sweep of its surroundings?

-Mike

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Interesting stills of Patterson...

by Monster Hunter

The point of the stills are to prove there were different cameras there the whole time recording the events...not many knew this...we discussed the other tracks being behind Patterson and that is a possibility...during her walk we know she took a hard step to the right for some unknown reason...years ago, before MK found evidence of shooting, we saw this step...obviously we had no idea why she did this but we did see something black similar to a stick or snake thinking maybe she stepped to avoid...

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by Monster Hunter

A cropped picture but interesting...usually there are reasons pictures are cropped but inspect his pants and toe on his right boot...it appears there are some stains...

[linked image]

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left one also, above the heel

by scott from philly

nt

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Different cameras at Bluff Creek...

by Monster Hunter

MK finally had some time to do a comparison blink demonstrating different cameras being used while filming the Patty creature...The below are the same frames but one camera man was to the right, obscure still, where the foot partially disappears behind the berm...and the camera was at an angle...we believe the clearer photo could possibly be from Green's quality camera...

[linked image]

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MH?

by Ken3030

Is the clear picture from one of the transparencies from Ms. Patterson and the blurry one from the publicly released copies?

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That's right Ken...

by Monster Hunter

The clear still is from a transparency...kind of amazing how much detail is lost in the film...but then again...details were obscured for reasons...

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A You Tube video...

by Monster Hunter

If that's Patterson and Gimlin in the original film...who has the camera?...something of interest...none of the scientists had access to the transparencies or original film...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMmXufXcx2Y

For comparison...editing of the film was done to hide, obscure and remove details...

[linked image]

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Sound in the film.....

by Pywacket

Who ever had the camera on Patterson and Gimlin had a camera capable of recording audio. Either that, or somebody added sound effects to the film that was shown on the documentary.

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You are right Craig...

by Monster Hunter

I do believe the only camera capable of recording sound was the one Green carried if indeed the sound we hear was not dubbed into the film...the sound most interesting IMO are of the horses before they get spooked by the creature...BTW...is Patterson wearing a jacket or the plaid shirt?...

Good call...I certainly wasn't paying attention to sound...as a matter of fact I was looking for the video where Dr. Krantz spoke about the creatures neck or lack of movement...if I recall correctly Dr. Krantz said the creature had to turn its body to look in a 90 degree direction...many items concerning the creature were misinterpreted simply because of the quality of film they had to study...

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Hey Ruby

by Crispy Critter

I remember way back when you were looking for a Hank Williams JR tune.

I have the videos linked here

http://newseventstheories.blogspot.com/

A excellent tune.

I wish I had written it.

Might be coming true too.......................

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Thanks, Crispy

by Ruby Red

and yep, it just might!

RR

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Transparencies...

by Monster Hunter

All of the below are from the Patterson film transparencies...these items were either edited from the film or when played at regular speed are not noticed...

[linked image]

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So are these...

by Terry

your interpretations Jim or can they be taken to the bank? If they can, now what?

t.

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This is MK's work Terry...

by Monster Hunter

all of the transparency frames came directly from Ms. Patterson...MK enhanced after seeing some oddities...and yes I do agree with MK especially after seeing other stills along with animations...there is much more to the story of Bluff Creek other then stills and animations from the film transparencies...it is a slow process but in time, with the information received, we will eventually have details that were not reported...

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BTW...

by Monster Hunter

Some of the information suggests exactly what MK has claimed for a few years...these creatures were some type of human therefore not killed for discovery but for a possible bounty...a major industry may have been involved making payment for hides...this does sound a bit crazy but I'll explain later as information is received...hopefully soon...

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WOW.....n/t

by Cindy

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My only argument...

by Terry

for that thought is that folks can't keep quiet. Whether it be someone fired, retired or who didn't agree, if there was a "bounty" I can't see that being kept a secret all of these years.

t.

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Re: My only argument...

by Monster Hunter

Yes, I do agree Terry...but there are some unusual circumstances revolving around this incident...the below is more interesting then Green and Titmus...the stack of logs...that's a lot of money laying there...logs are sold by weight...after cut they dry out after a period of time...here...they cut on a continuous basis and I've never seen a stack of logs compared to this...cut, load and haul to the mill...there is not any evidence any loggers were in this area at the time...there was equipment sitting but not any man power...

BTW....a man that worked for the company made the call to Green to return..."what you're looking for is here"...and he wasn't talking about the stack of logs...I would think Green was acting as an independent to validate with film and submit his story to the news paper that funded his trips...I doubt seriously Green or Patterson were involved as shooters but they knew exactly who was, the type of creatures and if they were being paid by the logging or paper company for hides...

As far as keeping this incident a secret...it would still be a secret if MK hadn't done the investigative work with interviews and film analysis...

[linked image]

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Dog print, or just blood?.......

by MikeInNC

Here's a thought.....

What if the dog print is not a dog print, but just a big blood spatter? Or, with the way the sand undulates up and down (like waves in the ocean) it's the same size blood spatter as the others, but as the surface of the sand at that area faces the camera more, it just appears bigger (and just happens to look like a paw print)?

A single paw print still seems odd to me.

Just .02 cents on the subject.

-Mike

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Mike...no doubt it's a dog print...

by Monster Hunter

there were others that were edited out of the film...

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Interesting still captured from the Dahinden film...

by Monster Hunter

The film is spliced but there is also a track headed into the opposite direction...the splice has nothing to do with the tracks direction...

[linked image]

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Attempting to verify...

by Monster Hunter

A Richard Lee reported he visited the Patty film site a few days after the film was made....he claimed there was a coral with hay in the area...if this statement is true this means the men involved were planning an extended stay...

According to my source...this was reported in Daniel Perez's BF Times...

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Something to remember...

by Monster Hunter

Humans do have a mid-tarsal break as do apes...unfortunately the apes, which Meldrum subscribes as replicating a Sasquatch foot, is a quadrupedal animal...this is more in line with the Monsters here that are quadrupeds at times and not from the PNW...I do think they have a BF type of animal considering the tracks...However; I have a hard time believing a human looking track is anything other then some type of human...though primate, it is some type of primate that has been reported for centuries by the various NAI's in the area as Indian...

Before we or anyone gives this creature a scientific name I would think we would need more then a few cast tracks for classification...there is just not enough concrete evidence to evaluate...

The below track was cast by a Mr. Sommerfield in BC...he also claimed he saw a three toed track in this area...this is more in line with Monster then it is in the human looking tracks cast and described as some type of ape by Meldrum...let us all not be deceived by anyone who claims to have the answers especially odd ball descriptions of bone structure of the foot of a Sasquatch...what Meldrum describes is like what I have and other areas that have an ape foot...

[linked image]

Monster tracks from MC...definitely a huge difference...

[linked image]

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Richard Henry...

by Monster Hunter

not Richard Lee...
The below was taken from the JREF forums...

"McClarin was familiar with the path the creature took because he and Richard Henry had investigated the area on November 5 when the path was still very clear. The beginning was still visible as indistinct impressions (per McClarin on BFF) when he and John Green did the reenactment. John held the camera slightly lower at times, but the frames line up quite well with the PGF. The discrepancy would make the 180 lb. McClarin look taller but the discrepancy would be slight at that distance."

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