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There are no such things as "Vampires".

by Jim Keegan

Six long years...every road traveled...every stone unturned.

Yes! There are those among us that say they are...but these are children who had no toys when young.

Far... From the "Children of the Night" I was seeking.

"Consumption" (Tuberculosis) was the culprit...Old Romanian folklore.

Now you can sleep ......maybe......as there are Lycons among us......LOL

Casey!!!!.......Bring me my Silver Bullets!

Jim

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Yes, vampires do exist...

by Monster Hunter

we call them attorneys down here...

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Re: Yes, vampires do exist...

by BigfootHunter (Bobby Hamilton)

I can see the Attorney one, because they will bleed you dry!
We also have another type of vampire and we call them wives, because they have been guilty of draining the life out of us as well!

I am sure that I am going to get some comments from some of the ladies for that! LOL!

Just remember the old saying, "Until you walk a mile in my shoes, you have no earthly idea what its like to be me"! Heck, sometimes I would be willing to trade my shoes for somebody elses!

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Old Joke..

by Jim Keegan

Why won't a Great White Shark attack a laywer?????

PROFESSIONAL COURTESY!!!!!!

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Note to self.....

by Jim Keegan

Learn to spell.

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This is a message board my friend...

by Monster Hunter

not a spelling contest...if it's close that's good enough...I understood every word...though they were misspelled...LOL

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Funny but I called my vampires...

by Ruby Red

relatives! Pass the stake, Jake!

RR

by Jim Keegan

Well said T.

Bo

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An "energy-seeking" vampiress

by Ruby Red

was a medium used by the investigators on "Paranormal State" programs this year. (I prefer Chip Coffey, IF a medium must be used on this type of program). She claimed that she was an energy vampire in a documentary about vampires in the U.S. because she was interviewed as an authority on the subject and even demonstrated (they used thermal imagery) how to take energy from a person. It was clear that the lady in question "took" something from her 'victim/volunteer.'

LOL but strange...

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Most energy vamps don't know they are

by Rob Anderson

and those who claim they are are usually fakes and frauds. Oh by the way, most of the paranormal investigators and groups find the show and the group in Paranormal Nation as frauds. They do not actively investigate from sundown to sunrise. These people starts at 3 am.

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Well, the group that used the energy vampire

by Ruby Red

was not Paranormal Nation but Penn State Paranormal.

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They are still a joke

by Rob Anderson

According to true paranormal groups.

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"Paranormal"???? who said anything about that?

by Jim Keegan

I was talking natural.

Wake up.

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Red haired giants of Nevada...

by Monster Hunter

As you read this something that you may find important is the archaeologist involved in the discovery of these skeletons...look and see if you can find his name...find his identity and I'll explain how he came to know of this cave...

The Lovelock Mummies

from The Unexplained, Karl P Shuker,Barnes and Noble Inc., 1997.

In 1911, several mummified remains of mysterious red-haired humans ranging from 2-2.5 meters(6 1/2 to over 8 feet) tall were disinterred in Lovelock cave, 112 kilometers (70 miles) north-east of Reno, Nevada, by a guano mining operation. These substantiated the local Piute Indians' legends of such people, which they called the Si-Te-Cahs. Yet scientists proved oddly reluctant to investigate these remains and eventually most the bones were simply discarded by the miners. What was left was salvaged by various local people, only for most of it to be destroyed when the shed they were kept in caught fire and burned to the ground. However, one of the Lovelock skulls, almost 1 foot tall, is preserved with some related bones and artifacts at the Humboldt County Musuem in Winnemucca, Nevada, and various Lovelock artifacts are also held at the Nevada State Historical Society's musuem in Reno.

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MK Davis...

by Monster Hunter

It is apparent to do any type of investigation a person must have hands on experience...travel to areas of his research seeing first hand evidence...

[linked image]

by Ken3030

This is supposedly a red-headed giants jaw bone compared to some modern teeth. BIG RASCLES!

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Humanoid....There goes your theory about shooting a monkey.

by Anonymous

I guess BF is Human....Is that your point?

Jim

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Nope...

by Monster Hunter

BF is a Monster...Red Haired giants were human...as are some of the creatures thought to be a Bigfoot...not every person that has a face to face sighting is so over whelmed that they cannot describe what they witnessed...I know for fact these creatures here have ape looking facial features where as some reported have human facial features...I have always thought it was the bipedal gait that made witnesses report "it looked human."

But I could possibly be wrong as we all have...thinking there is only one species...one animal and it being impossible that there could actually be feral giant humans...however: the jury is still deliberating and I'm hoping one day we will have the evidence sufficient enough to know for fact...

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Then why persue these bones?

by Jim Keegan

They only counterpoint your endeavor.

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Gets back to the challeege Jim...

by Monster Hunter

and I'm hard headed...

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I only met one person more stubborn then I......

by Jim Keegan

And that was me.

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LOL.....Old rule........Play dead.

by Jim Keegan

If ya have a side arm, keep it under your belly.

We'll take a head count and when you come up missing we're going back for ya.....We'll find ya....just stay still.

Everyone comes home.

Bo

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You need to follow the below URL...

Maybe he will post here giving us some information on the work he's done on this film...

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Monster Hunter, what does this mean?....

by Wookiefever

That is a human face in that frame no mistaking that. But what does this mean for the validity of the film, creature, etc.

Does this film show that they bated this creature for an ambush?

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Re: Monster Hunter, what does this mean?....

by Monster Hunter

No doubt in my mind it appears to be a human face Wookiefever...but after inspecting the stills along with the animations I came to the conclusion there were more people involved in this ordeal then reported...and more then one shooter...

As far as baiting...baiting an area is as old as mankind...and it is illegal in some states to bait for game animals and migratory birds....here in Louisiana a hunter can bait for big game and I can tell you from experience it does work...I can also tell you for fact that baiting for Monsters works...I have seen several Monsters bolt from under my feeders and we had a hunter watch four creatures, suspected two females with young, at one of the food plots for about two hours before his thermal batteries went dead...

If I were in the Bluff Creek area and with the experience I have from being in an area of activity there is no doubt in my mind I could bait these creatures to an area of choice...it may take a week or could take a few weeks but sooner or later these creatures will come to the bait...fish has been reported as a preferred diet during the salmon run so more then likely I would use salmon for bait...how to set these creatures up for a hunt is information I will not discuss simply because I feel as if they know when I come into the area to feed with the possibility of me being watched from a distance...

Below is a sample photo of different animals coming to one of the feeders...this feeder has been cut down twice in the past month to six weeks but has remained hanging since we put up the game camera...Jake and I removed the camera yesterday so we will see what happens...

[linked image]

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He's got several more albums

by DonDon

on that same photobucket account. Just click his name at the top left, then look to the bottom left, LOTS more albums. Has foot and hand casting pics and several more things on there. Actually pretty informative

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My God...........

by Jim Keegan

I guess if you look at that film long enough.......we all become EB.

Jim

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No more real than a face in the clouds

by Anonymous

1) I think a real person would be liable to turn and run from a sasquatch that walked up that close in broad daylight

2) Or if they stood their ground, they would look directly at it (possibly past the sights of a rifle), certainly not off to the side

2) A real person would also hit the dirt, or at least duck, if the critter was that close while being shot at by others

I would say the face is just an accidental pattern of light and shadow in the trees

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Anonymous

Use your name or your message will not be approved...if you edit your post before you send make sure your name is attached...

Thanks
YFM

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A photo of Ishi right after he was captured...

by Monster Hunter

Looks like he needs a Big Mac with a large order of fries...how he survived and others like him is remarkable...those people had to be tough...

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Heck, he got caught stealing Chickens

by DonDOn

out of someone's chicken house. Darn sure needed more of something to eat

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Tax Payer Bailout money

by Grumpy

Isn't it good good to see how our tax payer bailout money is being spent.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28999671/

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Why am I not surprised...

by Monster Hunter

Doesn't make me near as mad at Wells Fargo as it does the sons of bxxxxxxx that gave them all that money without any regulations...good intentions...terrible business loans...

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To be fair

by Crispy critter

Back when Bernackie called all the bank CEO's in to dish out the money, 2 banks said they neither wanted or needed any government money. B of A, and Wells Fargo. They were both told that they had no choice, the Government was "buying in".

So I don't care what they do so much. Not like I'm mad at the Wall Street firms.

I too am damn mad at Washington.

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Sounds like nationalization of our banks to me

by Ruby Red

and we've been there and done that! These guys need to go back to history class. The Bank of the United States was an abject failure the first time; so government is trying to sneak into the banking business through the backdoor. Where is Captain America when you need him? (Evil doers every where, beware!)

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OK passed some similar bills a year back

by Anonymous

Now it's NH.

There is still hope!

HCR 6 AS INTRODUCED

2009 SESSION

09-0274

09/01

HOUSE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION 6

A RESOLUTION affirming States rights based on Jeffersonian principles.

SPONSORS: Rep. Itse, Rock 9; Rep. Ingbretson, Graf 5; Rep. Comerford, Rock 9; Sen. Denley, Dist 3

COMMITTEE: State-Federal Relations and Veterans Affairs

ANALYSIS

This house concurrent resolution affirms States rights based on Jeffersonian principles.

09-0274

09/01

STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE

In the Year of Our Lord Two Thousand Nine

A RESOLUTION affirming States rights based on Jeffersonian principles.

Whereas the Constitution of the State of New Hampshire, Part 1, Article 7 declares that the people of this State have the sole and exclusive right of governing themselves as a free, sovereign, and independent State; and do, and forever hereafter shall, exercise and enjoy every power, jurisdiction, and right, pertaining thereto, which is not, or may not hereafter be, by them expressly delegated to the United States of America in congress assembled; and

Whereas the Constitution of the State of New Hampshire, Part 2, Article 1 declares that the people inhabiting the territory formerly called the province of New Hampshire, do hereby solemnly and mutually agree with each other, to form themselves into a free, sovereign and independent body-politic, or State, by the name of The State of New Hampshire; and

Whereas the State of New Hampshire when ratifying the Constitution for the United States of America recommended as a change, First That it be Explicitly declared that all Powers not expressly & particularly Delegated by the aforesaid are reserved to the several States to be, by them Exercised; and

Whereas the other States that included recommendations, to wit Massachusetts, New York, North Carolina, Rhode Island and Virginia, included an identical or similar recommended change; and

Whereas these recommended changes were incorporated as the ninth amendment, the enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people, and the tenth amendment, the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people, to the Constitution for the United States of America; now, therefore, be it

Resolved by the House of Representatives, the Senate concurring:

That the several States composing the United States of America, are not united on the principle of unlimited submission to their General Government; but that, by a compact under the style and title of a Constitution for the United States, and of amendments thereto, they constituted a General Government for special purposes, -- delegated to that government certain definite powers, reserving, each State to itself, the residuary mass of right to their own self-government; and that whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force; that to this compact each State acceded as a State, and is an integral party, its co-States forming, as to itself, the other party: that the government created by this compact was not made the exclusive or final judge of the extent of the powers delegated to itself; since that would have made its discretion, and not the Constitution, the measure of its powers; but that, as in all other cases of compact among powers having no common judge, each party has an equal right to judge for itself, as well of infractions as of the mode and measure of redress; and

That the Constitution of the United States, having delegated to Congress a power to punish treason, counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States, piracies, and felonies committed on the high seas, and offences against the law of nations, slavery, and no other crimes whatsoever; and it being true as a general principle, and one of the amendments to the Constitution having also declared, that the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people, therefore all acts of Congress which assume to create, define, or punish crimes, other than those so enumerated in the Constitution are altogether void, and of no force; and that the power to create, define, and punish such other crimes is reserved, and, of right, appertains solely and exclusively to the respective States, each within its own territory; and

That it is true as a general principle, and is also expressly declared by one of the amendments to the Constitution, that the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people; and that no power over the freedom of religion, freedom of speech, or freedom of the press being delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, all lawful powers respecting the same did of right remain, and were reserved to the States or the people: that thus was manifested their determination to retain to themselves the right of judging how far the licentiousness of speech and of the press may be abridged without lessening their useful freedom, and how far those abuses which cannot be separated from their use should be tolerated, rather than the use be destroyed. And thus also they guarded against all abridgment by the United States of the freedom of religious opinions and exercises, and retained to themselves the right of protecting the same. And that in addition to this general principle and express declaration, another and more special provision has been made by one of the amendments to the Constitution, which expressly declares, that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press: thereby guarding in the same sentence, and under the same words, the freedom of religion, of speech, and of the press: insomuch, that whatever violated either, throws down the sanctuary which covers the others, and that libels, falsehood, and defamation, equally with heresy and false religion, are withheld from the cognizance of federal tribunals. That, therefore, all acts of Congress of the United States which do abridge the freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, are not law, but are altogether void, and of no force; and

That the construction applied by the General Government (as is evidenced by sundry of their proceedings) to those parts of the Constitution of the United States which delegate to Congress a power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imports, and excises, to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States, and to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the powers vested by the Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof, goes to the destruction of all limits prescribed to their power by the Constitution: that words meant by the instrument to be subsidiary only to the execution of limited powers, ought not to be so construed as themselves to give unlimited powers, nor a part to be so taken as to destroy the whole residue of that instrument: that the proceedings of the General Government under color of these articles, will be a fit and necessary subject of revisal and correction; and

That a committee of conference and correspondence be appointed, which shall have as its charge to communicate the preceding resolutions to the Legislatures of the several States; to assure them that this State continues in the same esteem of their friendship and union which it has manifested from that moment at which a common danger first suggested a common union: that it considers union, for specified national purposes, and particularly to those specified in their federal compact, to be friendly to the peace, happiness and prosperity of all the States: that faithful to that compact, according to the plain intent and meaning in which it was understood and acceded to by the several parties, it is sincerely anxious for its preservation: that it does also believe, that to take from the States all the powers of self-government and transfer them to a general and consolidated government, without regard to the special delegations and reservations solemnly agreed to in that compact, is not for the peace, happiness or prosperity of these States; and that therefore this State is determined, as it doubts not its co-States are, to submit to undelegated, and consequently unlimited powers in no man, or body of men on earth: that in cases of an abuse of the delegated powers, the members of the General Government, being chosen by the people, a change by the people would be the constitutional remedy; but, where powers are assumed which have not been delegated, a nullification of the act is the rightful remedy: that every State has a natural right in cases not within the compact, (casus non foederis), to nullify of their own authority all assumptions of power by others within their limits: that without this right, they would be under the dominion, absolute and unlimited, of whosoever might exercise this right of judgment for them: that nevertheless, this State, from motives of regard and respect for its co-States, has wished to communicate with them on the subject: that with them alone it is proper to communicate, they alone being parties to the compact, and solely authorized to judge in the last resort of the powers exercised under it, Congress being not a party, but merely the creature of the compact, and subject as to its assumptions of power to the final judgment of those by whom, and for whose use itself and its powers were all created and modified: that if the acts before specified should stand, these conclusions would flow from them: that it would be a dangerous delusion were a confidence in the men of our choice to silence our fears for the safety of our rights: that confidence is everywhere the parent of despotism -- free government is founded in jealousy, and not in confidence; it is jealousy and not confidence which prescribes limited constitutions, to bind down those whom we are obliged to trust with power: that our Constitution has accordingly fixed the limits to which, and no further, our confidence may go. In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution. That this State does therefore call on its co-States for an expression of their sentiments on acts not authorized by the federal compact. And it doubts not that their sense will be so announced as to prove their attachment unaltered to limited government, whether general or particular. And that the rights and liberties of their co-States will be exposed to no dangers by remaining embarked in a common bottom with their own. That they will concur with this State in considering acts as so palpably against the Constitution as to amount to an undisguised declaration that that compact is not meant to be the measure of the powers of the General Government, but that it will proceed in the exercise over these States, of all powers whatsoever: that they will view this as seizing the rights of the States, and consolidating them in the hands of the General Government, with a power assumed to bind the States, not merely as the cases made federal, (casus foederis,) but in all cases whatsoever, by laws made, not with their consent, but by others against their consent: that this would be to surrender the form of government we have chosen, and live under one deriving its powers from its own will, and not from our authority; and that the co-States, recurring to their natural right in cases not made federal, will concur in declaring these acts void, and of no force, and will each take measures of its own for providing that neither these acts, nor any others of the General Government not plainly and intentionally authorized by the Constitution, shall be exercised within their respective territories; and

That the said committee be authorized to communicate by writing or personal conferences, at any times or places whatever, with any person or person who may be appointed by any one or more co-States to correspond or confer with them; and that they lay their proceedings before the next session of the General Court; and

That any Act by the Congress of the United States, Executive Order of the President of the United States of America or Judicial Order by the Judicatories of the United States of America which assumes a power not delegated to the government of United States of America by the Constitution for the United States of America and which serves to diminish the liberty of the any of the several States or their citizens shall constitute a nullification of the Constitution for the United States of America by the government of the United States of America. Acts which would cause such a nullification include, but are not limited to:

I. Establishing martial law or a state of emergency within one of the States comprising the United States of America without the consent of the legislature of that State.

II. Requiring involuntary servitude, or governmental service other than a draft during a declared war, or pursuant to, or as an alternative to, incarceration after due process of law.

III. Requiring involuntary servitude or governmental service of persons under the age of 18 other than pursuant to, or as an alternative to, incarceration after due process of law.

IV. Surrendering any power delegated or not delegated to any corporation or foreign government.

V. Any act regarding religion; further limitations on freedom of political speech; or further limitations on freedom of the press.

VI. Further infringements on the right to keep and bear arms including prohibitions of type or quantity of arms or ammunition; and

That should any such act of Congress become law or Executive Order or Judicial Order be put into force, all powers previously delegated to the United States of America by the Constitution for the United States shall revert to the several States individually. Any future government of the United States of America shall require ratification of three quarters of the States seeking to form a government of the United States of America and shall not be binding upon any State not seeking to form such a government; and

That copies of this resolution be transmitted by the house clerk to the President of the United States, each member of the United States Congress, and the presiding officers of each States legislature.

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NH Bill

by Grumpy

Being raised in NH until I went into the Service I can say they live by the States motto: "Live Free or Die" Maybe more states will follow suit and make people in Washington realize we are fed up with judges telling us what's right or wrong..... JMO

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I need some help

by DonDon

My computer at the office is not working right so I switched it for another one here and I don;t have ANY of my bookmarks. Got everythng else to going, just lost all my bookmarks. Could you post some book marks OR just email them to me.
don_1145@yahoo.com

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I only have a few BF message boards Don...

by Monster Hunter

the rest of them are not BF related...one I can send you is this MB if interested...LOL

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Timbers M. B.

Try this one....

by Ken3030

http://www.stancourtney.com/squatchmarks.html

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Don, you did check out the Bigfoot Links on this site?

by Ruby Red

If not, that's where you'll find some good sites to use.

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Bear or Bigfoot...

by Monster Hunter

We had a discussion about a photo that was taken in Pennsylvania by a game camera...woodswatcher was adamant that it was a bear while others disagreed claiming it was a bear...

The below photos will help all to come to a conclusion...

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One more...

by Monster Hunter

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BTW...

by Monster Hunter

The above photos were sent to me by email...I had a comparison of the foot, which looked bear, but that computer is sick with the flu...

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I just received this photo...

by Monster Hunter

This is the one that I played with and IMO this is a bear foot...

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Does this Bear have mainge?.........n/t.

by Wookiefever

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very good graphics

by woodswatcher

those are pretty good. i wish i knew more about computers to be able to do that stuff.

i would like to see the same done with the other pics from the cam. i think there were 2 other pics. neither showed a skull,snout and/or ears of a bear.
no pics showed any signs of a stubby tail.

the pics taken were in perfect position to make the case for both parties of interests. you have a lanky, poor conditioned bear in rather agile poses or you could have a primate in normal condition in normal primate poses.

that area of the country(PA/NY) is well known for decent bears, if i remember correctly. the fact that it is not a large bear leads me to think that if it was a bear that Momma or another cub could be around, yet they are not in the pics given for display. to my knowledge only a few pics were turned in?, other pics taken could have shown this clearly. no one but the owner of the pics knows what else was on the cam.

one thing is that its not a typical blogsquatch. it is a real live animal which is a rarity in itself.

Bears and Primates have a very similar structure with few exceptions. this is the entire basis of a skinned bear looking like a skinned human.

when you compare the longbone percentage is where the difference is. i'll admit, i never performed the calculations from data given but it was a compelling argument, enough for me to make my assumptions.

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From What I Understand...

by BigfootHunter (Bobby Hamilton)

There was like 7 or so photos turned over to that other group. However they only allowed a couple of them to be seen by the public!

It's rather simple as to just why they did this. The other photos revealed too much, and you could see that it was as a mangy bear, and then they couldn't milk it and claim it as a Bigfoot.

I'll tell ya another thing thats funny about this other group. When we came out and said that these creatures not only walk upright, but they also hit all fours as well. They beat their chest and hollered, "Bigfoot only walks Bi-Pedal and does not walk quadrapedal! So what they have is NOT a bigfoot"! Then when they was able to acquire these photos, they posted only the few that you could not see any good features as to the identity, and claimed that they were Bigfoot. WOW, I thought they said that Bigfoot didn't walk on all fours?
What a friggin joke!!!!!! The rules don't change to fit your needs, when you see the chance to make a quick buck!

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all it would take

by woodswatcher

would be 1 more photo. i always figured there were others. since it looks as if the animal is just messing around, i figured there would be several more pics. i know when we get a bear coming into an area- usually we get 4-8 pics.

this is the first i have heard of the other pics. but it wouldnt surprise me.

if it is a bear, its the skinniest rangiest bear i have ever seen and thats quite a few. more than most.

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Oh Yeah...

by BigfootHunter (Bobby Hamilton)

There was at least 7 photos in all. I remember they made the statement about the "Other photos", when they first came out with all of this.
If that doesn't make people say "Hmmmmm" and wonder about their true intentions and actions, then I don't know what will!
It will then go back to that old saying of "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink"! LOL!

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My question for the people who belong to this organization...

by Monster Hunter

How can you sit back and watch your organization leader promote something that is clearly a bear?...but then again...why would anyone have anything to do with Biscardi?..must be some poor lost souls out there that want attention, belong to something or need some buddies...

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Didn't Take Me Long...

by BigfootHunter (Bobby Hamilton)

To see through their charade and bail out on them. Maybe a grand total of 7-8 weeks tops.
Now don't make me get on a rant and say anymore about them, I got a whole lot of things that I can say! LOL!

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You have to remember

by Crispy critter

These pictures were taken at a baiting area for bears, by a bear hunter.

All the other pictures released clearly show bear cubs.

The one where it's head is twisted around on the ground - if you look - there is a round feeder of some sort it has it's head in. I think it is clearly visible in the pictures with the cubs.

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Sarah Winnemucca Paiute Activist & Spokesperson

by Monster Hunter

Good read and part of the continuing Patterson/Gimlin saga...

Sarah Winnemucca
Paiute Activist & Spokesperson
Sarah Winnemucca (18441891) was one of the most influential and charismatic Native American women in American history. Born near the Humboldt River Sink in Nevada to a legendary family of Paiute leaders at a time when the Paiutes homeland and way of life were increasingly threatened by the influx of Anglo settlers, Sarah later wrote that the white men came like a lion, yes, like a roaring lion, and have continued so ever since.

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Winnemucca gave lectures in buckskin, red leggings and moccasins. Photo courtesy Nevada historical society.

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If I'd known all that when living, Hunting, hiking and searching within that area back in the late 60's until 1990 I probably would have elected to stay home... since I'm sure they didn't get them all. LOL

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I was just about to ask

by Ruby Red

if this amazing woman who did such wonderful things ever see a Bigfoot when I read the above excerpt from her book. Wow!

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Another related article..

by Timberghost

Bigfoot Encounters

Out-take from
"SEARCH MAGAZINE"
Modoc County, California

".But don't worry that mysterious object that chases your car some night might be piloted by one of your own descendants and now we'd better serve up today's main course while there's still room for lt. Enter J.F. -

THE MAN WHO TOUCHED MR. BIGFOOT

It should not be necessary to explain here whom we refer to when we say "Mr. Bigfoot". And in the area where he (or it?) has often been seen, or left his mark, it is not uncommon for persons to find their cabins have been entered and prowled, by something or someone who does not take or Use the items that a civilized person would utilize or steal, yet is intelligent enough' to know how to open doors.

J.F. had heard these stories, but he is not the sort of man to put stock in such things, and Mr. Bigfoot was probably one of the farthest subjects from his mind that night in the wilds of Modoc County, California, when he returned alone to the borrowed cabin of a friend after a day of hunting.

It was one of these nights when you can barely see your hand in front of your face, but J.F. didn't bother to take a light as he went out a short while later to fetch something he'd left in the pickup. He groped his way through the darkness to where he'd left the vehicle parked, beyond the light from the cabin window.

His thoughts were elsewhere, and, half-consciously, he reached through the open window of his pickup for the item he knew he had left on the seat. His hand fell upon something that shouldn't have been there.

J.F. weighs 260 lbs. and is not a timid man. Unlike most persons, perhaps, who would have jerked their hand away as if from a hot stove, he was slow to alarm and, still rather distractedly, started feeling around on the object. Then he did become fully aware of the present and his blood began to turn cold. What his hand felt in the almost complete darkness was warm, it was hairy and it was alive! It was huge and it was sitting upright in the seat of the pickup no less.

That's as much as J.F. learned about the thing, for then he withdrew his hand as if it had been about to be struck by a rattlesnake. He backed away. "What the hell..." he probably said (knowing him), and he was really beginning to feel the hair crawl on his neck. He retreated to the cabin, stumbling over things in the darkness, to fetch a flashlight and find out what or who had entered and was sitting in his pickup.

Inside, he stalled long enough to take a much-needed drink. When he returned to the truck with the flashlight, there was nothing there.

J.F. admits he did not feel like remaining out there right then and looking for any further signs of his visitor. He returned to the cabin, and in the morning there were no tracks or other clues as to what he had touched. But J.F. knew about Mr. Bigfoot and there was no doubt in his mind that his hand had been upon the chest of the hairy "wild man" seen and described by so many persons.

Could it have been an animal? There are only two wild animals found in that area that are large enough to fill the bill - - bears and cougar's. J.F. is familiar enough with animals to know that what he touched did not feel like either of these. The creature did not respond to his touch - it did not move, recoil, snarl or hiss. A dog is the only other possibility.

It's more than difficult - it seems rather ridiculous to imagine any animal, wild or domestic, to have climbed or Jumped through the open window of a strange vehicle and sat upright on the seat and allowed a strange man to approach and feel of it without the least reaction. And then to have disappeared again so mysteriously.

A cougar WOULDN'T have let a man lay his hand upon him. A bear MIGHT, but not very likely, and he would have to have climbed ponderously in and out of the truck window, which would have left marks and hair. There were neither. And a bear so fearless as to ignore a "man's touch would hang around the cabin until he'd thoroughly explored it for food and left many signs. There were no signs of bear.

As for it having been a dog - have you ever touched a strange dog without it either growling and pulling away from you or else responding in a friendly manner? Besides, J.F. also knows what dogs feel like. He has six of them.

Besides his conviction that what he had touched was not an anima, at least any KNOWN animal - the very action and lack of any reaction of the creature is our best evidence that J.F. had actually laid his hand upon Mr. Bigfoot.

Our opinion of this creature is that it is more human than animal. He seems to have an affinity for human beings, seems to desire experience with them; is prevented only by fear of what they might do. He has been seen by motorists, therefore he has seen people in automobiles. We can well imagine how this pitiful creature then upon finding an empty motor vehicle might desire to learn, in the safety of the darkness, how it feels to be inside one of these strange objects. And whether he crawled through the window or opened the door, he probably had found himself trapped when J.F. approached and, having no alternative, decided the safest bet was to sit quietly, so long as the man didn't make any menacing moves. It is apparent that Mr. Bigfoot is not vicious. And only an intelligent creature could reason thus...that his best move was none.

Perhaps he took pleasure in the contact with another human being? Perhaps he has all the feelings of a human being - perhaps he IS human after all. Maybe there are more than one; maybe "he" is a "she". But the typical description by those who have seen him, her or it is of a "huge, hairy, manlike creature."

One report by a pilot who spotted Mr. Bigfoot from the air has him "ten feet tall". It is difficult, however, to judge from the air the height of an object on the ground. And imagination as well as exaggeration is bound to come into play in such experiences.

Ishi - sole survivor of the Yahi Indians - lived like a wild man in this same general area, until starvation forced him to "mm himself in". Until then no one suspected his presence, but had they seen him - even in winter when he wore furs - they certainly wouldn't have mistaken him for anything but what he was a frightened Indian.

And the pattern of Ishi's life while alone in the wilds was quite different than that of Mr. Bigfoot. Ishi stayed close to the area of Deer Creek, his tribal homeland. Mr. Bigfoot, on the other hand, seems to range quite extensively and seems to like to "flirt" with civilization. Ishi remained hidden from civilization for fear the white man would kill him in retaliation for whites killed by the Indians (in the 1850's a posse of miners and cattlemen thought they had massacred all of the Yahi, but an old man and two youngsters, one of which was Ishi, escaped and lived secretly until only Ishi was left), while today there could be no such basis for fear on the part of Mr. Bigfoot, if he is merely a renegade Indian. If he truly desires contact with civilization - and evidence seems to indicate that he does - then the only logical basis for his timidity would be that he is intrinsically different in some way from civilized man that would make him seem monstrous to us, and us to him

If Mr. Bigfoot is not a renegade Indian or a white man, nor yet an animal, what is he? If he is, - as Russian scientists speculate regarding the Yeti - a member of a prehistoric people related to but distinctive from Homo Sapiens who have managed to survive into modern times when by the rules of evolution they should have long been extinct, then there would have to have been a family or tribe of them living continually on the North American continent for at least as long as the time when it was no longer possible to cross from Asia to America via the Bering Strait. It would have been difficult for such a family or tribe to have escaped unnoticed by the Homo Sapien people who have occupied North America - especially the Indians.

If we had ready access to records of all the American Indian histories and legends we probably would find much reference to tribes of strange non-Indians with whom most of the ancients had dealings.

Our personal interest happens to have centered on those Indians indigenous to Mr. Bigfoot's territory in northeast California and those nearby - the Paviotso, the Modocs, Washoes, Eastern Shoshone and the Goshutes etc. And what do we find in their legends or the Legends of the Yurok in the northwest corner of California?

The Washoes, whose tribal land is...or was on the eastern slopes of the Sierras, across from Mr. Bigfoot's stomping ground, have a very persistent legend regarding a tribe of giants who once dwelt near them and who apparently were beneath them intellectually. They warred against these giants and without much trouble annihilated them. Some of these might have escaped - as did three of the Yahis - and crossed the Sierras where their descendants today exist by hiding from the California tribes and the white man in the deep forest - where Mr. Bigfoot often has been seen.

The Paiutes of Walker Lake verify this tale, claiming they assisted the Washo in this battle and after the giants' extinction moved into their former territory themselves. Giant human bones HAVE been found in this area, as we reported earlier.

In the last century a creature was captured in Canada whose description is similar to that of Mr. Bigfoot - except that this one was a female. We don't know what became of her or what scientists of the day who examined her decided - - as this was from an old newspaper account, and no subsequent editions were available.

Further research might prove, however, to make a good case for a non-Homo Sapien tribe or family, which has survived until today in the forested mountains of North America. Mr. Bigfoot MAY be the last of this tribe...or the entire species. Pathetic as was the saga of Ishi and the Yahis; -that of Mr. Bigfoot would be far more tragic. Imagine yourself alone in a world where there are no other creatures like yourself, willing and wishing to associate with the creatures who do inhabit the world but being so different from them that they flee from you in terror or try to kill you!

To never know the touch of another hand..J.F. shudders when he remembers the sudden touch of his hand in the darkness upon a hairy, living body. But somewhere in the lonely mountain vastness, a mind as human as yours and mine, but locked in a body more ape than human might remember that touch with a hopeless pain of longing.
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� Search Magazine 1965
Credit Source: Tom Cousino

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For those interested...

by Monster Hunter

the above articles are worth your time to read...without reading there is a possibility you will get lost as this mystery unfolds...

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I mentioned Ishi in a previous post...

by Monster Hunter

I want all to know...Ishi does fit in all this...be patient, read and enjoy...

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You're going to be ib bug trouble

by Crispy critter

For writing on library books!

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Ishi and a map he drew...

by Monster Hunter

Interesting to say the least...MK put together an animation of him shooting his bow...photo bucket will not let me put up the animation so you need to go here to see it...

http://gcbro2.ning.com/video/ishishootingbowanimationforsho-1

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Notice his map legends...

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An Article about Ishi...

by Monster Hunter

There is a another possible player not mentioned in this article that befriended Ishi...this man may be the person involved in finding the burned mummies mentioned in the above book...

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I KNOW you guys are tough and

by Cindy

would be out there with the rest of the guys. But would you were the mankini? Lucky we live in America.

Survival of the toughest... Thousands wade through mud and walk on fire in 'Tough Guy' competition despite the freezing weather
By Hugo Daniel
Last updated at 3:28 AM on 02nd February 2009
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With his grimacing face, the burning hay bales and surrounding thick grey smoke it could be a climatic scene from the end of an epic war film - if it wasn't for the Borat mankini costume.

This pained looking man is actually taking part in an annual Tough Guy Challenge with thousands of other daredevils.

The aspiring 'tough guys' braved an obstacle course which included walking across fire and through icy water despite the bitterly cold weather currently battering Britain.

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Ouch! A competitor grimaces as he walks through fire during the Tough Guy 2009 endurance competition

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Stuck in the mud: Competitors struggle through a mud bath during the Tough Guy challenge

Competitors from 25 countries descended on South Perton Farm, in Wolverhampton, for the brutal survival race on Sunday.

The brave - or mad, depending on how you look at it - men are pictured grimacing as they make their way through thick mud, underneath barbed wire and even through burning hay bales.

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Trying: Competitors use ropes to cross a water obstacle in the extreme assault course

The freezing cold challengers began the race with a gruelling six-mile cross-country run and were then challenged by 21 different obstacles including tunnels and swamps to complete the course.

People can compete on their own or in teams.
On the event's website it says: 'The event is uniquely fear ridden and you need to be fit in both body and spirit to survive the ordeal.

Is it worth it? These competitors struggle through muddy water on the course
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'You will not be alone, thousands will be by your side. There you will find the true spirit of Tough Guy.'

The extreme event is in its 23rd year.

The hardy challengers risk cuts, burns, broken bones and possibly worse as they make their way across the 150 acre site.

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Perilous: A 'tough man' challenger runs through burning hay

Competitors must sign a 'Death Warrant disclaimer' before taking part.

The event claims to be the 'safest most dangerous taste of mental physical pain and endurance on earth'.

American Sports channel ESPN filmed the event in 2006.

Claustrophobic: The hardy challengers crawl through mud underneath barbed wire
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Tough start: The tough guys had to do a cross-country run before the brutal assault course
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by Monster Hunter

Rick Tullos, a long time GCBRO family member, created an area where we can post videos along with pictures of interest...I put MK's animation of Patty going down the first time...though the frames have not been stabilized yet and are small hopefully it will give you an idea of what has been discussed on our MB...

Sign up...put your photo and information up if you like...the old BS about folks harassing you are slim to none...I have posted my personal information including home address and telephone numbers and have yet to be bombarded with anything negative...but do as you like...no big deal one way or another...

http://gcbro2.ning.com/profiles/members/

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Back definition...

by Monster Hunter

Tell me what you can see...give the image a few seconds...

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by Monster Hunter

Patterson and Gimlin both have skeletons in their closets but what I've read is not a concern of his past reputation as much as seeing these cast tracks and video that clearly show wounds caused by gun fire...I think we all agree if you hoax once you have lost credibility making it difficult to believe anything associated with their research...

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Almasty

by Anonymous

Curious as I am, I was wondering if there might be a connection between the critter in the Patterson film, and the Almasty. The Almasty is supposed to be more human like than our neighborhood BF.

I found this dipiction of an Almasty on the Internet

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I also found this picture of one that was taken somewhere on the East Coast of the US...................

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I think we have a match!

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The one on the bottom scares me...

by Monster Hunter

That and a few more just like her can ruin our nation where as the Almasty just wants a yak...

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The Hoopa Project...

by Monster Hunter

The below pictures are sketches from eyewitnesses who signed affidavits claiming this is what they saw...definitely human looking...no doubt...this is not what we have seen here...

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by Crispy critter

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article5627359.ece>

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re:chimp link

by brian wells

here is the link again...the pther one did not work

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article5627359.ece

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What we know?

by MK Davis

So very little is known about humanity in the American west. Most of the exotic peoples were legally shot on sight, before anything was known about them. If they looked or acted differently than the mainstream accepted anthopological views of the day, such were furiously eliminated from history.

There were over 120 different dialects in the state of California when Europeans first arrived. The Patterson film is a keyhole peepshow into another time and place. It only tells you that such did and do exist up until that time, and most likely up until now.

Much damage has been done by the early anthroplogical efforts to understand this area. These early efforts were hamstrung by egotistical management, who lauded their own theoretical prowess, while overseeing the wanton destruction of any evidence to the contrary. Such a framework of bastardized science still exists today. You've probably seen it yourself.

Jim speaks about a much larger, more menacing, possibly cannibalistic, creature that inhabits the high places. It does not have the full complement of five toes. If such do exist, then my guess is that "Patty" would not want to go to their mountain any more than we would.

Roger Patterson spoke about this in his book. In the book he differentiates between a bigfoot and a Sasquatch. This was based upon his eight years of study. Stay tuned to this message board. These issues will be addressed. A very good understanding of the Patterson film is being offered here. It is only an open door to even more perplexing problems, but it is a very good start. Keep your mind open and active. You will be needing it here. Do not be afraid to consider these things. The road to the end of the problem will have some dead end spurs. It's OK to go down them, but we don't want to remain on them long. M.K.

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You need to keep up with the MB on a regular basis...

by Monster Hunter

to make sure you get all the stills, animations and information...this is done in as close to a chronological order as can be done...MK can simply amaze you with his accumulated information and knowledge he has collected from being at Bluff Creek, by speaking with the remaining parties directly and indirectly involved and his many hours of historical research...

As we progress you will have to do some reading to fully understand exactly what has transpired over the past 150 years...if you enjoy a good mystery and history it will be well worth your time...

BTW...All I am is the messenger...

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Ishi...the last Yahi...

by Monster Hunter

This article disputes the claim that Ishi was the last Yahi...none the less he was the last of his group...the photo was taken from a book about his brain which was sent to the Smithsonian...

You can read this at:

http://books.google.com/books?id=x5n-UU-R8VoC&pg=PA89&lpg=PA89&dq=Orin+Starn+18000+skeletons&source=bl&ots=ITrPfQrCyA&sig=Lt0vS5M4XFquzqR4uwzvOR2nEhM&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA89,M1

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Ishi apparently wasn't the last Yahi, according to new evidence from UC Berkeley research archaeologist
by Gretchen Kell Berkeley -- Ishi is a household name in Northern California, where school children have been taught for 85 years that he was the last Yahi, a subgroup of the Yana Indians.

"Ishi, the Last Yana Indian, 1916," is etched into the small black jar containing his cremated remains.

But by studying the arrowpoints Ishi made, Steven Shackley, a research archaeologist at the University of California at Berkeley's Hearst Museum of Anthropology, has discovered that Ishi apparently wasn't the last full-blooded Yahi, or Yana, after all.

Instead, Shackley said that Ishi, who was found, starving and afraid, near Oroville in 1911, was of mixed Indian blood -- a finding that revises Ishi's famous history, which many Californians learned by reading "Ishi in Two Worlds" by Theodora Kroeber.

Shackley said that, in light of this new evidence on Ishi, teachers educating children about California history "should be more aware of the complexity of Ishi's situation. It's more complex than Kroeber imagined."

Her book was "simplistic," he said, "not based completely on hard research."

An analysis by Shackley of a large UC Berkeley collection of Ishi's arrowpoints indicates that although he spoke Yahi and had lived in the ancestral Yahi homeland in the Mount Lassen foothills, he also had either Wintu or Nomlaki blood.

"Arrowpoints made in the historic Yahi sites excavated by the Department of Anthropology in the

1950s and housed at the museum are quite different from Ishi's products," said Shackley. "But tools and arrowpoints made at historic Nomlaki or Wintu sites also housed at the museum bear striking resemblance to those made by Ishi."

An expert in stone tool technology, Shackley found that the hundreds of projectile points Ishi made after he left the wilderness had long blades with concave bases and side notches. In contrast, arrowheads in the museum from historic Yahi sites are short and squat, with contracting stems and basal notches.

Although Ishi was culturally Yahi, said Shackley, "it appears he was not the last purely Yahi Indian. He learned to produce arrowpoints not from Yahi relatives, but very possibly from a Nomlaki or Wintu male relative.

"This makes Ishi's story even more romantic and sad," he said. "Being of mixed blood, he is an example of the cultural pressure the Anglos placed on the dwindling number of Indians in the mid- to late-1800s to marry their enemies."

Shackley first investigated Ishi's arrowpoints in 1990. After a hiatus, he resumed work upon hearing evidence at an Ishi conference that physical anthropology suggests Ishi was not completely Yana.

The Wintu, Nomlaki and Maidu belonged to a large group of Indians in the Sacramento Valley who spoke a language called Penutian. They lived adjacent to their enemies, the Yana, who were in the Lassen foothills. The Yana had four subgroups -- the northern, central and southern Yana, and the Yahi -- and each had its own dialect, territory and culture.

Ishi was born into an extended family that, in order to perpetuate life, was forced to intermarry with outsiders, with enemies, said Shackley, and one of Ishi's parents may have been Wintu or Nomlaki. The number of Indians was dwindling, and an incest taboo kept them from choosing a relative as a mate.

"We always thought that Ishi was a survivor who was extremely adaptive," said Shackley. "Now we know he was even more adaptive because he was the product of a society that had to adapt to a situation that was not part of its cultural ideology."

"Ishi didn't talk about his ancestors because his religious beliefs prevented him from doing that. But that's my job as an archaeologist," he said. "And Ishi would have wanted the truth known."

Ishi first made headlines on Aug. 29, 1911, when butchers found him outside a slaughterhouse near Oroville. Initially, he was jailed by the Butte County sheriff. But two UC Berkeley anthropologists, Alfred Kroeber and Thomas Talbot Waterman, befriended Ishi and gave him shelter at the campus' anthropology museum, then in San Francisco.

Kroeber's wife, the author of "Ishi In Two Worlds," wrote that Ishi was "the last wild Indian in North America, a man of Stone Age culture."

The anthropologists pronounced Ishi a Yahi because he spoke Yahi and was found near Yahi territory. They also considered him the last Yahi, said Shackley, since "the only Yahi left in the hinterlands were believed to have been exterminated by Indian killers brought in by whites,"

Furthermore, they believed Ishi was the last Indian to have lived in the wild. Massacres, starvation and disease had taken the lives of countless Indians in Northern California during the mid- to late-1800s. Many others had been forced into reservations.

In 1908, surveyors did spot four Indians in Yahi territory. But in 1909, Waterman and two guides failed to find the group. Two years later, Ishi, who verified that he had been one of the four, appeared alone near Oroville.

"That Ishi was wearing his hair burned short in sign of mourning in August, 1911, was evidence of a death or deaths in his family," wrote Theodora Kroeber, "but his mourning may well have been a prolonged one."

Under pressure from reporters who wanted to know the stranger's name, Alfred Kroeber called him "Ishi," which means "man" in Yana. Ishi never uttered his real name.

"A California Indian almost never speaks his own name," wrote Kroeber's wife, "using it but rarely with those who already know it, and he would never tell it in reply to a direct question."

Ishi was given a home at the University of California's anthropology museum -- then on the UCSF campus in an old law school building. He lived there for most of the rest of his life, except for the summer of 1915, when he lived in Berkeley with Waterman and his family.

While at the museum, Ishi often worked on native crafts, such as the arrowpoints Shackley analyzed. By his own choice, he often did these crafts for museum audiences and would give some of his work away.

"The quality of the arrowpoints Ishi made shows he felt good about himself -- he was a good craftsman," said Shackley. "This positive self-image helped make Ishi a hell of an adaptive person."

Ishi formed close friendships with Waterman and Kroeber and with Saxton Pope, a teacher at the university's medical school, which was next door to the museum. He also agreed to record linguistic material on the Yahi language for UC Berkeley.

In December 1914, Ishi developed what doctors felt was tuberculosis. After several hospitalizations, his friends moved him back to the museum to spend his last days. He died there on March 25, 1916.

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I was in that area recently

by Crispy critter

Still a lot of wild land up there. Beautiful country. I'd bet it would be easy still to stay lost up there if one wanted to.

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So let me see if I've got this straight

by Ruby Red

Bigfoot--possibly a hirsute Native American who lived in the PNW mountains before major settlement.
Sasquatch--possibly an ape-like animal who stayed away from the Bigfoot living in the mountains.
Or is it the other way round?

Is that the gist of what you shared?

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Sasquatch...Bigfoot...

by Monster Hunter

Obviously the NA Indians had many names when describing this creature...However what I consider a Bigfoot is not a Sasquatch which I believe could be a possible NA Indian...The Bigfoot I'm familiar with doesn't have a human looking foot, face and is also quadruped as well as being bipedal...of course this is my opinion from experience with these Monsters here and by comparison of reading reports combined with the Patterson footage...

There is no doubt in my mind the creature in the Patterson film was shot with the back wound being a type of wound that would kill her within a matter of a few minutes from hemorrhage...why wouldn't Gimlin and Patterson collect the corpse knowing it was worth much more then a few seconds of footage?...

Patterson and Gimlin both said they looked human with Gimlin telling MK...and I'm paraphrasing..."if I knew then what I know now, I would have put my rifle down."...from evidence from this film someone didn't lay their rifle down...

The Humboldt Times in Eureka, Calif., ran a front-page story on the prints and coined the term "Bigfoot."

http://www.ourbigfoot.com/bigfoot_sasquatch.html
Bigfoot - Sasquatch

What is the difference between sasquatch and bigfoot?

There really is no difference in the creature, just in the names.

The name sasquatch comes from a little known Native American language called Halkomelem or
Salish. It is believed the name sasquatch was coined between 1925-30, primarily in the Salishan
language of southwestern British Columbia. Sasquatch has been translated as hairy man or
hairy giant. In the United States, sasquatch is known as bigfoot. The sasquatch or bigfoot has
other names in the U.S., such as skunk ape or grass man, dependent upon the region.
Furthermore, a dozen other countries have similar creatures with different names.

It is believed that the word sasquatch was coined by JW Burns who as a hobby collected Chehalis
(Native American) accounts of bigfoot. It is thought that sasquatch was created by combining
several Native American names for the hairy creature. The term bigfoot was actually coined by
newspapers after 1958...

Bigfoot - Sasquatch

What is the difference between sasquatch and bigfoot?

There really is no difference in the creature, just in the names.

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I never believed there was much difference either

by Ruby Red

by Rick Tullos

Any thoughts on this one?
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I've always doubted

by Ruby Red

This was a mangy bear. Looks more ape than bear but I also doubt its a BF.

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Re: Speaking of Butts

by BigfootHunter (Bobby Hamilton)

It's a malnourised, mangy bear! When this photo first came out, that is what I thought it was, and then somebody, I can't remember who??? Posted a very similar photo of a different malnourished, mangy bear. They was almost identical. Same walking stance and everything.

This photo was pushed pretty hard, by a different group (Notice I didn't say RESEARCH group), as a Bigfoot to try and pull more attention and money to their group and web site. When they knew full well it was nothing more than a mangy ol' bear!

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i beg to differ

by woodswatcher

to my knowledge, skeletal structure is completely out of kilter for a black bear.

if i remember correctly from comparative anatomy circa 1990.

if you do the math on its long bone-back bone ratio i think is will definately fall into a primate category.

black bears have a ratio far below primates.

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Okay...

by BigfootHunter (Bobby Hamilton)

Very good points, and under normal circumstances these scientific facts would easily apply. However I have seen some long lanky bears, who were pretty mangy and skinny and needed some serious fattening up, on some of those nature programs like the ones they show on The Discovery Channel. They had the same body structure as the thing in the picture has.
I thought they were really funny looking when I seen them, because they didn't look like the stereotypical bears that we've always seen, or thought they were supposed to look like.
When they showed the ones I seen, they were showing alot of bears going through their normal daily activities on there, and then one of these scraggly looking bears comes walking into the frame. Totally throws a person off, because they are looking at nice round plump bears, and this freaking looking thing comes into the frame. The narrator then described at how malnourished and possibly diseased this funny looking bear was. I couldn't help but snicker at how funny it looked, because it was totally out of the ordinary for a bear. LOL!

Also look at the rear foot on this thing, it has the foot of a bear, not any kind of primate, much less the foot of a supposed Bigfoot.

It's been a while since this photo came out, but as I remember there is another thing that raises red flags on this for me.
As I recall, that other group had several photos, and they only posted a few. I wonder why they never posted the OTHER photos? If you have photos of a "Supposed" Bigfoot, and are pushing them as such, and you have say 7 or 9 photos of it, are you going to ONLY post a couple of them? Seems to me that all those other ones would be of importance to the field as a whole. And the fact that they didn't casts serious doubt on what they are claiming.
Maybe the other photos, gave more of the facial image and would give up the fact that this was indeed a bear?
With the history that many of us have with this other group, and the things they have pulled and continue to pull, ANYTHING they claim is highly suspect as being fabricated, or not as legitimate as they may claim.
Believe me, there is many on this board and ALOT more across the Internet who know first hand some of the tactics they pull and HAVE pulled. And when they failed to post ALL the photos, even after being asked too by many people, they still would not do so!
That is about the same time the other photo of another bear that looked so much like this one, it could have been it's twin, came out. It was a color photo, and when I say it looked just like this one, it was so close it was uncanny. The only thing was it showed the same stance this one had, except you could see the head turned and looking kinda back, so there was no doubt, what it was.
If I can ever find or come across that image again, I will gladly post it on here, for all to see!
I wish I would have saved it to my computer, but this is one of those images that proved something else, so there was no need. But since it's come up again, I will do my best to find it again.

With all this said, given the first impression I had of the image, and then the history and actions of this other group. And then having that other image that surfaced to verify my thoughts on the image, I still say it is a mangy, malnourished bear, that they are pushing as a Bigfoot to drag more attention and funding into their group.

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fair enough

by woodswatcher

people not involved with groups suddenly find groups of unknown education when they happen unto evidence of the unknown.

Timberghost had this occur with the chaos of Honobia when they reached out to the BRFO i believe.

these things happen.

other than being a dark colored animal, the one in the pics do not have anything in common with a bears physical characteristics. the ass, the legs the feet, even the shoulders- even the lack of ears and a bobtail. when you calculate long bone measurements it tosses the possibility of a bear out rather quickly, IMO.

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Got the Photo, er um I mean Photo's!

by BigfootHunter (Bobby Hamilton)

I could not find them, but a good friend sent me the photo I was seeking, plus some others I had not seen before. Real interesting stuff, you need to see with this. I am sending them to Jim to post and start the thread over at the top.

You are right, Timberghost has said it many times after the fact, and more especially after meeting and going out in the field with us. But if he would have contacted us instead, he would of had the backup that he wanted and needed, to take to these things. The kind of help, he wasn't able to get from the bsro!
From what I understand, the ones that showed up, wouldn't even leave the safety of the porch. And at one point, one was standing behind his brothers wife as some kind of safety barrier between himself and the big bad boogeyman monsters!!! ROFLMAO!!!
Then I seen a show (Mysterious Encounters I think it was) where their "AHEM" fearless leader and the blond headed chick, supposedly hear one close by, and he outran the chick to the vehicle and he danged near tore the door handles off of it, trying to get inside. Then they nearly blew the vehicle up trying to get out of there. I laughed my ass off when I seen that one. Why are you going to run away like a scared little @!tch, when you get close to what you've been looking for? I've said it before and I'll say it again, "Researchers my ass"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re;Speaking of Butts

by Gary

I've seen a picture of this and others of the same creature on Youtube.I can't say for sure what it is,but it is DEFINITLY NOT a bear.

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I think it is bear...

by Monster Hunter

sometime back we went through this...has a foot like a bear...

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Bear bare barr

by Crispy critter

It has a little bear tail and little bear paws and little bear ears, little bear knees, little bear legs, and a bad case of mange.

From what I've been told that "other Group" Bobby mentioned is STILL pushing this thing.

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Here's a couple pics that have

by DonDon

been adjusted. Lighting and colors inverted abit.
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Life is beautiful!

by Rick Tullos

When you are not getting shot at,,,LOL.
[linked image]

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A still and animation...

by Monster Hunter

MK has captured some interesting frames from the Patty film...the first...you can see this creature leaning her shoulders from left to right with her right arm going down with what appears to catch her balance and possibly from falling down...this is after the wound to the back and in the last sequence of Patterson filming...

Below are several frames MK has animated but from these same sequences of frames...

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From the above still...

by Monster Hunter

It appears you can see what we have been referring to as the back wound...a swelled area with a hole...

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Re;From the above still..

by Gary

I've never seen this part of the Patterson film,I guess they cut them out in the TV programs.

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If you have seen the Patterson film on TV...

by Monster Hunter

you saw this...played at regular speed it is difficult to see anything other then a dark bipedal creature walk across a sand bar....

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Agreed

by Ruby Red

Could the frame above be a reason why some thought that she went quad for a while? When in reality, she was in the process of laying it down because of the traumatic wound.

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The first time she went down...

by Monster Hunter

was a few seconds after the substance appeared on her left heel which is early in the film...Patterson runs to another spot, she gets up and this is round two of the film...this is when she is shot in the left thigh and then in the back...there are three starts and stops to the film as explained to me by MK if I remember correctly...

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Is she ducking? Is that a shadow?........

by MikeInNC

In the animation you see a tree with a tree/log leaning against it at about a 45 degree angle to the left.

Patty appears to be higher in frame 1 and there's a dark patch on her.

In frame 2, she seems shorter, and the shadow has elongated (see it run straight down the front 1/3 of her body).

So, it looks to me like she's ducking to go through this natural obstacle. If so, the terrian immedediately to her left/right must have been more difficult to traverse....or the path she chose presents a straighter line of escape to her than going around whatever debris was there at the time.

What do ya'll think?

-MikeInNC

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Re: Is she ducking? Is that a shadow?........

by Monster Hunter

I see what you are talking about Mike...it's hard to make out...Maybe MK can add a few frames to see if she is ducking to go under the obstacle...

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Maybe a better look Mike...

by Monster Hunter

It looks as if she is to the right of the log/limb...

[linked image]

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You're right.......

by MikeInNC

I looked at the still, then looked at the 2 frame sequence as something separate.

Now that you point out the still again....there's that tree/log formation and, yup, she's to the right of it.

Seeing a few frames (out of context) sure fooled me!

Thanks MH.

-Mike

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You're right........ Part Deux

by MikeInNC

From the first still and animation.....

In the foreground there's a part of a tree which has a blackened section on the right side.

In the distance is the tree with the log leaning against it, with Patty in front of it.

The animation shows Patty ducking or hunching down.....the still picture shows her standing (seems at an odd angle).

Not seeing the few seconds before/after that moment, it seems the still photo would come in sequence a second or two after the animation, with Patterson stepping to the right.

The blackened tree is further to the left when Patty is further to the right of the tree/log formation.

In any case.....it does look like she's to the right of the tree/log - and not ducking under it.

-Mike

(P.S. - I'm listening the MK interview as I type this. Thanks for the link, Grumpy!)

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MK sent me a few more quality frames...

by Monster Hunter

When I get back sometime tonight I'll begin putting them up...I'm also waiting to see if I get the thumbs up on an interesting conversation you'll want to read...

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An interesting story...

by Monster Hunter

This comes from a man, Sean Fries, that does his research in Six Rivers National Forrest as told to MK Davis...

He and his partner had gone to a particular area to do some looking and scouting around...they drove in as far as they could in their vehicle and began their journey on foot...they hear a noise coming down a hill side and when they reach the area they came upon these tracks...look these tracks over closely...BTW...these tracks were approximately 17 1/2 inches in length...approximately a 48 inch stride...

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If you looked them over closely you should have noticed an unusual toe...tracks with any kind of unusual trait is important to see, take notes for further reference...

As Sean and his partner are walking down the road following these tracks two men on four wheelers were coming off the mountain towards them...these two men were brothers, that lived up in this mountainous region for 30 years, stopped and spoke with Sean..these two men said they knew this track because of the toe and as a matter of fact one of them killed a deer...before he could get to the kill this creature, estimated at nine feet tall, beat him to his kill and carried it off...

As they discussed the tracks one of the brothers asked them..."you do know this is a tribe of Indians?"

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And also notice

by Rick Tullos

Tracks in an almost perfectly straight line,,not slightly staggered right to left.

example below.

- - - - - - not

- _ - _ - _ see what I mean?

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Put up a comparison photo Rick...

by Monster Hunter

for those who don't understand your post...

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Roger that. NT/

by Rick Tullos

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Comparison

by Rick Tullos

Note the Human tracks are slightly staggered or off center but the Bigfoot tracks are heel to toe in a straight line.

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Re: Comparison

by Monster Hunter

these tracks are off set as well Rick....

[linked image]

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But if she were shot in the right leg,,,,

by Rick Tullos

Wouldn't that throw her stride off a bit?
A wounded animal would certainly not act just like a healthy one especially a leg wound like that.

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Look at her butt Rick...

by Monster Hunter

the hips are not narrow allowing her to walk in a straight line without some work...I know exactly what you are talking about...this ain't the same critter I have here...

[linked image]

on your snooping...

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TA-DA! Maggie's major win picture!

by Anonymous

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In the middle of all this serious stuff, here I come with a dog picture. The photographer got it to us really quickly - he must have had to make a car payment or something.

I tried to make it bigger but found out I don't know how.

Isn't Maggie lovely? (That is rhetorical)

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Nice...

by Monster Hunter

Good looking dog...Congratulations...

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Is that a........

by MikeInNC

Pitbull? ahem I mean, "Staffordshire terrier"?

Looks like my wife's dog - only white and brindle - and named Magnolia (Maggie, of course!)

Congrats!

-Mike

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She is an American Staffordshire Terrier, the

by Cindy

AKC version of a Pit Bull. The AKC doesn't recognise PBs as a breed. UKC will register PBs. What can you say?

Anyway, she is a loving, delightful, adored family pet who is essentially spoiled rotten, like yours, I'm sure.

She fell into our laps as a hardluck case when her breeder died and we are very lucky to have her.

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Yes, they are nice........

by MikeInNC

My wife gave me the whole PB/Staffordshire speech last night - lol

Our Maggie is spoiled and very sweet. Just wish she'd leave my cats alone! (she's just curious and playful....but what do my cats know - lol)

I might post a pic sometime.

What was the award for - btw?

-Mike

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We have been working on her breed championship

by Cindy

and in the AKC you have to earn 15 points which includes 2 major wins of 3 to 5 points. It is really hard in our point region to get a major's worth of dogs together and this has been the first one in more than a year. Maggie only needs one more major to finish and she is out of the breed ring and on to more fun stuff like agility and tracking. This was her first major and we need one more and then we are SO out of there.

Magnolia is a lovely name. Please post a picture! Our dog is just Maggie May (or may not). You can post a picture of your cats and I will admire them, as well, if you'd like. Just to give everybody equal time.

We always name our dogs names like 'Daisy Mae' and 'Lulu Belle'
(no, we have never had a Little Abner) because it gives such a better impression than 'Chainsaw' or 'Gator'.

AmStaffs really are less game than Pits. They also are generally more uniform in appearance and have been bred for about 75 years as show dogs and family pets and not for fighting. I'm sure you should believe your wife! However I'm not saying you can trust them around other dogs. Also my male dog, Bill, would probably defend me with his life, even though he is not generally a very brave dog.

I trained my first 3 dogs to leave my cats alone by using a plastic fly swatter as my 'instrument of terror'and cueing it with the same word each time I had to get after them. I was more spry then. After a while I just had to say the word and they would break off immediately whatever behavior I found objectionable.

Then our last cat died at 16 and we decided not to get another so we don't have to fight that battle. They always made a great distinction between THEIR cats and OTHER cats. OTHER cats in the backyard were pretty much vermin and fair game since our cats always stayed inside.

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Details can be seen with quality frames...

by Monster Hunter

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Re: Details can be seen with quality frames...

by Monster Hunter

Mouth...

This message has been edited by tiny from IP address 65.0.39.53 on Jan 29, 2009 7:46 AM

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These are the frames of the second look back....

by Monster Hunter

It appears she is giving Patterson and Gimlin an ear full...

[linked image]

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Neck movement...

by Monster Hunter

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Bottom of both feet...

by Monster Hunter

Right foot...

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Left foot with possible blood on the heel...

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Suspected bunker/hide......

by Monster Hunter

Then think about blood and how think it is. It'll cause more sand to stick, especially if it's coagulated abit and thinkened up.

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Patty's lips.....

by MikeInNC

Ya know, I'm so used to seeing the "tight lipped" Patty picture (in which the colors are even throughout and the lips seem clear and well-defined) that the "open mouth" Patty pics seem like horribly touch-up jobs to me. It's like someone applied multiple shades of lipstick to her kisser with a paintbrush!

Not saying anything about the authenticity of the frames (because I don't hold any original frames - lol) or which frame is touched-up and which isn't......it's just my personal view of the two.

-MikeInNC

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Individual frames of Patty's mouth...

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Patty's lips

by M K Davis

When I worked on the enhancements of Patty's face, the areas that were in the sunlight were easier to work with due to the penetration of sunlight through the hair and to the skin. This includes the mouth, at the time that she was looking back at the two men. This divergence of tones between the skin and the hair presented me with the opportunity to tone down the hair tones and increase the gain on the skin tones. I did this to the mouth area by digitally "lassoeing" the mouth area to both conserve computing power, and to make very small moves on the contrast gains. This is why the mouth looks heavier, is because I worked predominently on that area. Nothing added, nothing taken away. It started 70% hair tones, 30% skintones, and I was able to reverse that to 30% hair, 70% skin, and the skin dominates. M.K.

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I think I understand what you're saying, but.......

However

by Ruby Red

Spywear Terminator alerted me twice this week about something Yahoo was trying to do! So, there may be a grain of truth in the rumor. I don't open attachments unless I know the sender. And I've gotten really strange emails this week that I just deleted; cause the RE box was gobbledygook.

Ruby

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The left foot area....

by Monster Hunter

Something appears to shoot up from her foot/lower leg area and she takes a hard step to the right...

[linked image]

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Re: The left foot area....

by Cindy

Did she take a shot to the calf or could those just be girlish bulging muscles?

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Long stride to the right...

by Monster Hunter

Some animations I put up here are not in there entirety for some reason...in this animation you can see this creature take a long stride with her left leg back to her right about the same time something dark appears around her knee area then disappears...approximately 3 seconds later she goes down and Patterson stops filming...the second sequence of film she is up and walking away...MK is working on that animation and hopefully can get it together in the near future...lot of work to stabilize the frames for us to inspect...

[linked image]

by Crispy critter

Even if Don and I ran the place!

$335,000,000 FOR STD PREVENTION IN ECONOMIC STIMULUS BILL
Wed Jan 28 2009 09:58:30 ET

Democrats may have eliminated provisions on birth control and sod for the National Mall in the "job stimulus" -- but buried on page 147 of the bill is stimulation for prevention of sexually transmitted diseases!

The House Democrats' bill includes $335 million for sexually transmitted disease education and prevention programs at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

In the past, the CDC has used STD education funding for programs that many Members of Congress find objectionable and arguably unrelated to a mission of economic stimulus [such as funding events called 'Booty Call' and 'Great Sex' put on by an organization that received $698,000 in government funds.]

"Whether this funding has merit is not the question; the point is it has no business in an economic plan supposedly focused on job creation," says a stimulated Hill source.

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Ain;t that the truth bud. Heck, I've got a solution

by DonDon

to it all. Give everyone who paid taxes OR is retired 20,000 bucks. You on welfare, no job TOUGH, only IF you paid taxes. This would hack off quite a few but oh well, can't please everyone. Now this wouldn't be a lump sum check but a credit card type deal that they'd deposit into a special account that was checked constantly for types of purchases. No investments or crap like that. Cars, house payments, utility payments, TV's, vacations, anything like that is fine. You just can't take it and put it up, you HAVE to spend it. That would get the economy heading in the right direction.

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Whoeee

by Ruby Red

I sure could use $20,000 right now! It would go a long way toward paying off the car, our debts and the expenses of moving.

I like the way you think, DonDon!!

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Re: Ain;t that the truth bud. Heck, I've got a solution

by Ken3030

I was just reading an article that said the $800+ billion = $8,800 per American family. So if you gave $20,000 to every TAXPAYER the feds would probably save billions of dollars and really stimulate the economy!

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Makes a WHOLE LOT more sense then

by DonDon

what they are gonna do. With the dems in total power, they can prety much do what they want to do. Oh and GUNS AND AMMO would be included in my package. LOL, You'd get a credit for buying them. Now IF you had a felon arrest for stealing, murder,attempted murder or any violent crime, you COULDN'T buy either though. Heck, Crimes? The punishment fits the crime in my book. You steal something under say 500 bucks. There goes a finger. 500-1000, 2 fingers and anything over 2,500, you lose a hand. We won;t even go into rape and sex crimes, you'd be talking in a MUCH HIGHER VOICE. LOL Another thing, if you don;t like this country and the way things are after these things are implemented, LEAVE, I'll buy your airline ticket and give you a hundred bucks spending money. NUFF SAID. Things get as bad as they're looking like they're going to be. I saw an Anthony Bordain episode night before last on the Azores, over near Portigal and I may go buy some land there. Either that or sell the houe and liquidate my assests and buy some island in the caribian, build me a concrete house and do alot of fishing. I try not to get all involved in Politics but this crap is starting to scare the heck out of me right now.

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Your right Scott...

I Agree

by Ruby Red

by Monster Hunter

Timber telling us he could see a pinkish looking skin underneath the hair of the creature he was looking at with his rifle scope...it appears the hair is not as dense on this creature as thought...at regular speed it is difficult to see anything other then a dark hairy creature walking away...but with these individual frames we can get a much better closer look...

[linked image]

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Looks like she has worn off quite a bit from her arm swing. n/t

by Cindy

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Which makes Dr. Russ Tuttle a big story teller

by Ruby Red

He kept saying on one of the documentaries that he couldn't accept the Patterson film because of the uniform cover of fur all over the creature's body! Use your eyeballs, Dr. Russ!

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For comparison...

by Anonymous

Gorillas:

Mama gorilla looking a little threadbare
[linked image]

Sunlight on this one showing up light and dark areas (also notice appearance in belt area)
https://static.zsl.org/images/originals/gorilla3-1844.jpg

Dark patch in the ponytail / vertebra area
[linked image]

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She may be threadbare because she just had a baby

by Cindy

I know dogs will commonly lose coat and condition after having puppies because it is such a demand on thier system. It also looks like Mama Gorilla is losing hair around her breats from the baby holding on. Ouch.

Maybe that partially explains Patty's moth eaten condition and engorged breasts.

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With regard to a below posting.

by Rick Tullos

It may just be a raised area in the creatures neck structure and the white areas may be the outline of individual vertabrae.

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Now...that would be a Monster Rick...

by Monster Hunter

They look a bit high to be vertebrae IMO...

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So is the general opinion,,,,?

by Rick Tullos

Now that it's a pony tail with rings or some kind of bands or something in it's hair???

That sure don't sound like the monsters down on your place.

I think we are gonna have to pop a monsyer at MC and then go up to the PNW and get one of theirs after all!

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I'm not sure that is the general opinion Rick...

by Monster Hunter

But it does appear this creature has a pony tail and possibly tied in places by something...Bobby mentioned below about us finding many pine trees damaged and I have seen large pines with the bark scratched allowing the sap to run out...it may not have anything to do with hair but would make sense as a repellant for the blood suckers...

Now...what we have seen here is not this creature at all...these here have a nose like other primates, dark skin underneath a layer of short hair, quadruped as well as bipedal, large dark eyes with little white in their eyes, a different type of body build...and not anyone has reported seeing, including all the reports I've received, mammary glands as large as these are in this film...hell, there not even a primates...

If we are successful in harvest I want everyone to remember what I have described over the years...guaranteed I am damn close to being accurate in my description...

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They would look higher,,,

by Rick Tullos

With the head slumped or tilted forward.
The animal doesn't have "no neck" it has an enormous neck that but it's thick not long so it probably has a very thick spinal column.
If you can see it's muscular structure through the fur,why not some bone structure as well?

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What is that coming from the crown of her head Rick?...

by Monster Hunter

Vertebrae begin at the base of the skull...

[linked image]

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Honestly,,,

by Rick Tullos

It's just to blurry to tell.
But if it were a pony tail would it not have swung even a little when she turned and looked at Patterson and Gimlin?
Now i know that you aren't saying that it is a pony tail,i'm just starting with what it isn't in my opinion.
I do hope I'm not being taken as antagonistic,just trying to get to the truth.

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Asking questions...

by Monster Hunter

If we don't ask questions we will never know...who needs to answer questions is Bob Gimlin...

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One thing to remember Rick...

by Monster Hunter

Both Patterson and Gimlin said this creature looked human to them...if this creature had protruding vertebrae I'm sure they would have mentioned this in their reports...that alone would have been convincing evidence this creature was different then human...

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Look closely at the neck

by Rick Tullos

This is the skeleton of a gorilla,pay close attention to the spiny vertabrae in the neck area.

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Apples compared to Oranges Rick...

by Monster Hunter

Quadruped compared to bipedal...bipedal creatures, including us, vertebrae begin at the skull getting larger as they continue down for support...not larger then smaller as they do in a quadruped...

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I think it's more like

by Rick Tullos

Oranges and Tangerines.

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Daily science news

by Crispy critter

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,482264,00.html

Now go about your regular conversations.

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I liked this quote Scott...

by Monster Hunter

so I'm not raising my hand to be the guinea pig just yet...

"In the Jan. 23 issue of the journal Science, the scientists report that, by using their protocol, atom-to-atom teleported information can be recovered with perfect accuracy about 90 percent of the time and that figure can be improved."

Simply amazing...Thanks Scott...

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beam me up Scotty. LOL

by DonDon

Not JIM BEAM either hehe

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You got me hooked on Science Daily after

by Cindy

that article on the itty bitty lemur you posted. That is one great website.

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Yeah

by Crispy critter

There is some cool stuff on there. Never hear about most of it anywhere else either.

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Another trail cam pix

by J

http://naturalplane.blogspot.com/2009/01/mysterious-photo-trail-cam-capture.html
??Flying fish??

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Photoshop

by DonDOn

on those J. Something just don;t look natural about whatever it is.

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Thought it may be bats

by J

dunno.
J

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Could be J

by DonDon

Know when I was a kid, we had several around our house that HUNG OUT in our barn. Mean little suckers to

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Re: Thought it may be bats

by BigfootHunter (Bobby Hamilton)

I don't have any idea, what those streaks are, but that big thing close to the camera is "Journey" going to make another album! LOL!

Seriously though, if it is bats, what are they doing so abundantly out there in the daytime? You usually won't see them until it gets closer to dark. I do know that the big thing near the camera is some kind of flying bug, or beetle or something! It just made me think about all those old Journey album covers. "Don't Stop Believing" !

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Hehehehe

by J

Good album! Its probably some kind of photo shop thing or like you say, bugs. But it was interesting.

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by BigfootHunter (Bobby Hamilton)

It was tree, but pole sounded a little more difficult to climb. And more fitting for this situation, since he works so hard to sound convincing, I figured I would make it a little harder for him to wave one to us! LOL!

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Trail cam pix

by J

http://www.phantomsandmonsters.com/
eyeshine?

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Eyeshine..

by Pywacket

Lens reflection from the deer's eyes.

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Raindrops

by DonDon

in a flash. got a few of them in my pics.

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Patty Tracks?...

by Monster Hunter

Or...two different creatures?...

[linked image]

by Monster Hunter

One of my favorite pictures of MK...he is at Bluff Creek where Patterson did the filming...he is dead on a track...

As a Boy Scout and then Explorer in my younger years I knew why these marks were made...what is your thoughts?...

[linked image]

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Thoughts,

by Grumpy

Jim, if my memory is correct, and that's debatable due to CRS, that indicates a warning of danger.

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Yes, possibility and?...

by Monster Hunter

other items as well...

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Jim, you've got me

by Grumpy

on this one, I know groups of three, ie: dots carved, rocks piled up, stakes or sticks, indicate "Danger". The slashes below I don't think indicate a direction of travel since slashes, IMO, aren't used for that, but then again this could be just logging indicators but I don't think so, tree is to small, the meaning of these two slashes means something and I'm sure either you or MK will fill us in soon.....

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never thought about it meaning

by DonDOn

Danger. I just thought it was a territorial marker or trail marker. Sure whatever Patty is and her kind come through that area quite often and I just thought they used to it mark the ways they travel

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Myspace..

by Gary

I've meet several of you guys on myspace by getting your sight name.Now its my turn,I would like to meet more so here it is,myspace/redhotcivic.So hope to hear from you.

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re:myspace

by Randall Chapman

I 've already added you Gary to Myspace friends. But wanted to also list my myspace page to anyone else who may want to know. It is www.myspace\phxwolf2. I am also on facebook under Randall Chapman in Peoria, IL.

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OK and I'll probably regret this but

by DonDOn

Here's mine.
http://www.myspace.com/dondon1145
WARNING, DO NOT go to the Risque photo album unless you are prepared. IF you're a male, better not look at all. LOL LOL All I'm going to say is I AIN'T SKEERED, OK and I love fishing. hehe There are LOTS of pics from my trips in there and they are the same one's in the website I'm trying to get going. Course alot of good that does when half the people can't even see the darn thing.

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Just sent you a request to be my friend email

by Ruby Red

n/t

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I'm on myspace too so please add me

by Ruby Red

You will find Sharon "RubyRed" Warren at www.myspace/immaretired. Looking forward to those email messages to add more of you as friends!

RR

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Possible back wound...

by Monster Hunter

There are several items in these frames that may reveal a gunshot wound to the back area...as you watch these frames you'll see the back wound appear then it also appears this creature closes its right hand...and may have put the hand over the wound in the front...we will have to examine more continous frames for the theory...

Talking to Timber along with several other hunters we think it is possible this wound entry was from the front...it appears the hole is round, could be a bit jagged but the exit is not as important as the instant swelling...this wound at that "instant" of impact would not leave a swollen mark on her back...the velocity from a frontal wound, possibly metal jacket bullet, would leave similar results as an exit wound that this creature has on its back area...

[linked image]

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Re: Possible back wound

by Wookiefever

It does appear that Patty's arm is having some sort of reaction like pain and nerve reaction to, what could be, a projectile injury. Severing nerves, damage muscles, etc...

Wow! It does look like she possibly got shot.

How many hits do you think she took during this film?

Wookiefever

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A possibility of...

by Monster Hunter

three...possibly left foot/leg area...no doubt wound to right thigh and the possible back shot...

IMO as a hunter...these are not time accurate shots being taken by hunters...they are popping at her which shows inexperience as a shooter...jerk the trigger, drop the rifle to see what happens, bolt in another round...I see this quite frequently when we do some shooting with folks who claim they are hunters...It's not easy to fool this Old Monster Hunter...

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Also add in the fact at WHAT they are

by DonDon

shooting at. That'd add in quite abit of inaccuracy to their shots

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I agree DonDon...

by Monster Hunter

an average Joe wouldn't take the time to take quality shots nor would he know how...16 seconds of film...16 seconds is a life time for a shooter to place three to four disabling/killing rounds especially that close in that walking gait...Oswald, the shooter of President Kennedy...shot four quality rounds into a moving vehicle in around 7 seconds...with a bolt action rifle...

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Also add in the fact at WHAT they are

by DonDon

shooting at. That'd add in quite abit of inaccuracy to their shots

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Wounds....

by Gary

As many wounds that have been found on Patty due to today's technolgy.It just makes me wonder what weak caliber rifle was the shooting at her with??Because whatever it was didn't seem to have the knock down power.

But to Monster Hunter and MK Davis keep up the good work on the Paterson film.

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WOUNDS

by TINA STONE

I have been reading the message board.Do you really think someone shot her while they were filming this? Do you think that she went off and died?

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Wounds,

by Grumpy

Tina, Monster Hunter and MK are simply making all these photographs and movie clips available for researchers and others to view and evaluate all the recent evidence shown, there by allowing our readers to decide what may have really happened that day.

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If the wound in the back is an exit

Its possible that the mushroom of the slug lacking enough velocity to make a large exit hole seperated the skin from muscle and what you are seeing is a skin pouch full of blood.
I seen this before on a cow that had been shot only the blood pouch was not
as large as Patty's.
Just a thought.....

WDF

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So, this begs a question or two

by Ruby Red

Before asking let me say that I'm not a hunter; so I have never seen first-hand what an entrance/exit wound looks like. And I've only fired a weapon at a target. I've never gone hunting. So...

1) Is it likely Patty survived the wound in her back? (Or as an earlier poster wrote--it probably
killed her by taking out her lung, kidney, etc.)
2) Since the animal was retreating, and IMHO in a non-threatening posture, why would anyone shoot her
3 times? (Was it the "first" attempt to harvest a Sasquatch?)

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Hoopa's

by Crispy critter

What exactly is their legend on this critter? I have heard bits here and there, but it might be helpful to all to know the whole story as they tell it.

Hey Don - I was just looking, and the Hoopa's have a casino and hotel up there on the Trinity River..........I have started to have a fondness for the Indian Casino's out here...LOL

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Here's what I've been told about the Hoopa's and

by DonDon

The PEOPLE. Way back in the day, the Hoopa's used to trade with these folks. Although the considered them less desirable than themselves, more like low lives, they traded with them none the less. Seems after awhile of them doing this, these people (patty's kind) got to doing a bunch of stealing. They'd steal their clothes, fish and fish basketss, about anything they could steal from the Hoopa's. Finally after time had passed and the Hoopa's got sick and tired of all this stealing, they got fed up with and totally dissasociated themselves from them. Guess these people started drifting further and further into the mountains over time and got away from the Hoopa's all together. Thats just a condensed version of how it was told to me. Course CRS kicks in on me but I THINK thats about what happened. There were more details but just can't remember them right now. One thing I seem to remember was something about cross breeding and some of these halfbreeds were still alive in the early 20th century if I'm not mistaken. That would explain some of the pictures posted earlier today now, wouldn't it?
MK, you got any more you can add bud?

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Hoopa

by M.K.Davis

The Hoopa called the Sasquatch "rule breakers". The general rule when there are people giving problems, is to assimilate them. This did not happen to the Sasquatch. They not only were pretty morose physically, but did not seem to have a lot going for them in the ethics dept. either. The Hoopa did not assimilate them and they moved to the high country when people with firearms arrived on the scene. The Hoopa did say that the Sasquatch have kidnapped women in those days. It's interesting to note that the Hoopa are adamant that "Hoopa" is not their name, but rather, the name given them by whites. They stated that in the old language there are neither P's nor H's in the language and that is is spoken from the back of the throat. If you heard Hoopa talking the old language, in the night, it might scare you a bit. M.K.

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Stills taken of the Second roll of film...

by Monster Hunter

That mysteriously came up missing without anyone knowing the where abouts...the purpose of this photo is to prove that Patterson and Gimlin did have a second roll of film taken of the track line...remember....Patterson quit filming the creature because he ran out of film...

[linked image]

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Some information you may find interesting...

by Monster Hunter

A good friend, Timber who has dealt with these creatures for years,, called me yesterday and during our conversation the Patty film came up...as we spoke Michael told me that during day light hours...looking at one of these creatures through a scope mounted on his rifle that underneath the coat of hair this creature has a pink looking skin color similar to ours...I also think he mentioned that when this creature blinked its eyes it was also this pinkish color...he may have also mentioned distance but I can't recall...Damn CRS...correct me if I'm wrong Michael and let us know the distance and what power you had your scope set on...

In the below photo you can clearly see missing patches of hair...it's difficult to make out any clear color of skin but it certainly isn't a dark colored skin...

[linked image]

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Interesting Information

by Grumpy

Jim I think I sent you this info before but I'll post it for others to read and consider;

The evolution http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Evolution> of the different skin colors is thought to have occurred as follows: the haired ancestor of humans, like modern great apes http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Great-ape>, had light skin under their hair. Once the hair was lost, they evolved dark skin, needed to prevent low folate levels since they lived in sun-rich Africa.

Apes and humans differ from all of the other primates in that they lack external tails http://anthro.palomar.edu/primate/footnote.htm>. They also are more intelligent and more dependent for survival on learned behavior patterns. There are several internal body differences as well, such as the absence of an appendix in monkeys.

The apes and humans are members of the same superfamily, the / *Hominoidea*/ click this icon to hear the preceding term pronounced

>. Until the last few years, humans were separated into their own family within this superfamily because it was believed that we are significantly different from the apes/. /However, recent genetic studies and discoveries from the fossil record have made it clear that some of the apes are more similar to humans than previously believed. Subsequently, the living hominoids are now commonly classified into only two families with humans grouped with the great apes http://anthro.palomar.edu/primate/glossary.htm#great_apes>:

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As usual Bob, Great info

by DonDon

Looks like I've got some reading to do when I get off work. Course I haven't done much in the last few days. THANKS JIM LOL

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Skin color under the fur......

by MikeInNC

When I look under the fur of my cats (or my wife's pitbull), the skin looks pink as well.

-Mike

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The skin is pink

by TimberGhost

I've told folks for years the skin was pink with a undercoat of real short dark hair which gives the appearance of dark colored skin. I watched this animal at about 40ft with my rifle scope turned to 10X. With the scope turned up that high being that close, the eye filled the whole scope. This did happen at night instead of the daytime though with my brother holding a good light on the two animals we were looking at. When it blinked it's eyes I could see a pink eye lid with very short undercoat of black hair. I watched it until my arms got tired of holding that heavy 300 win mag up. I know, why didn't I shoot? That was the night the $$RO was there and they were repeatedly screaming "Don't shoot Michael"....Live and learn. That was a bonehead mistake I made for listening to them that will NEVER happen again.

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It is always better to get your information from the horses mouth instead of...

by Monster Hunter

second hand...

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Ooooooohhhhhh. Interesting!

by MikeInNC

MH -

It'd be great to know where in the film Patty was in relation to the footprints in these stills. If Patty was shot, the prints would probably be from early on in the film, before any blood was spilled (assuming a good blood flow was created from any wounding).

A thought regarding Patterson stopping filming Patty because he ran out of film....

Could it be that he meant (and I haven't read any exact quotes from Patterson, so I'm obviously paraphrasing), "I ran out film and didn't have enough time to load a fresh roll before the creature disappeared from view."?

If so, he'd be technically correct. His film ran out - and couldn't take any more footage of Patty as she was gone.

If, however, he had plenty of time to load a second roll of film and get more footage of Patty, then that would obviously be a contradiction.

What's the reload time on the type camera he was filming with? Anyone know?

Even with my modern camcorder, from the time I hit the eject button....wait for the unit to slooowly open up and present the tape.....to the time I can actually grasp/remove the tape.....and then insert a new tape, close the camera and wait for the darn thing to "get ready" to videotape....it feels like an eternity has passed! Gotta love modern technology! lol

Great to see those pics!

Thanks for posting them!

-Mike

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The film...Kodachrome II...

by Monster Hunter

According to the reports...Patterson got underneath his poncho to change the roll of film...light sensitive film, as all are that I'm aware of, using his poncho as a dark room to replace the roll...

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Poncho dark room....

by MikeInNC

Seems that this process would be a major time-killer and would support a, "I ran out of film and didn't have time to load a new roll before the creature disappeared" explanation for not getting more footage.

-MikeInNC

P.S. - Sorry to swamp this thread with posts. It's a slow work day today and idle hands.....

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Keep them coming Mike...

by Monster Hunter

Good questions need answering...

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IF it's me shooting the video

by DonDon

and I ran out of film. I'd be yelling at my Partner who's ON A HORSE to bring me more film and then jump on the back of the horse with him and reload as we chased the creature down the road. It was down the road according to them cause it went around a bend in the road and dissappeared so they could have easily done what I just said and chased the creature with a freshly loaded camera

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I don't think

by Crispy critter

Them old Super 8's would be too easy to load while on horse back....

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Re: I don't think

by Florida Redneck

If my memory is correct (and there ain't no guarantee it is) that vintage Kodak movie camera took roll film which had to be manually threaded through the drive when putting fresh film in it. Why the poncho was needed to keep from exposing too much of the roll of film, also. Definetly not a quick procedure.

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Things I notice in the stills......

by MikeInNC

1) Look how deep the prints are compared to how far (how little) Patterson's books press into the surface.

2) Based upon Patty's impressions in the surface, it looks like a hide could be dug (surface is not completely solid).

3) Note the color of the leaves in the trees. Could they be the source of the reddish pools noted a while back?

4) Did Patty step in any piles of wet leaves while walking along the creek bed....and we might be seeing those on her feet?

5) In the top pic of Patterson making a cast (where he's looking at the casting) is there another casting curing further away? See the white disc shape just below/in front of his eyes.

Was the stride that long? Shouldn't there be more impressions visible between those prints? (or, if the disc isn't a casting in progress - shouldn't there be more impressions visible which lead away from where he's crouching?) This may just a problem with perceived perspective - or lack thereof - of objects in the still.

6) What was Patty's foot length measured at? One could then take that and estimate the stride in the composite photo.

7) As the soil is a pinkish/sandy brown.....would these castings be matches for two of castings we see in the pic of Patterson showing off his collection in front of that tractor-landrover thingy? (they would be cast #1 and #4 - propped against the tractor).

I feel like I'm in an episode of "CSI Bluff Creek"

-MikeInNC

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-Mike

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Questions that needed answering Mike...

by Monster Hunter

by possible actions taken by those involved...the disappearance of the filmed track line would be an important piece of evidence...

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Yup, that'd the "new info perculating upwards"........

by MikeInNC

LOL

Exactly! It seems that until someone, lying on their deathbed, reaches under the mattress and pulls out the missing evidence.....who knows if the entire story will ever be known.

We can only hope that any if any evidence "went missing" that it also didn't "accidentally get thrown out with the left over Chinese takeout" or end up on someone's backyard BBQ grill.

(Is there any chance that the presentation of new findings by you, MK, etc. may influence certain persons "in the know" to finally 'fess up?)

-Mike

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I like your line of thought

by DonDon

Soon as I read the first line, I knew where you were going. I looked at the pics that were posted the other day close and couldn't see anything on them. Chances are that IF there was any blood on the casts themselves, it was scraped off. I've got copies of those casts at the house and what I can do is to check them to see if I can see anything on them that appears to be scrape marks where someone would have scraped off something they wanted to hide. not sure if I'll have time at lunch but for sure can do it tongiht when I get home. Good thinking bud

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Thanks to you all !

by M K Davis

I want you all to benefit from 11 years of collecting and analyzing the very best images from the Patterson film. I think that this is an important film for a lot of reasons. This is perhaps the most enigmatic film of all time. In the past there were certain things that were counted on when considering this film. Many of these things have proven to be unreliable and actually contribute to the misinterpretation of the film. The eyewitness testimony has proven to be unreliable. The frames produced by Bruce Bonney have turned out to be artistic renderings. Many of the copies have been knowingly, in my opinion, darkened through the copying process, until there is only a silhouette to analyze. Through the years and with help from caring and concerned people, I have been able to obtain much of the film in its very best versions. When the best of the best is posted here, don't miss the chance to weigh in on it, as this opportunity is rare. See what you can see, and comment on it, your comments are certainly welcome. When all is said and done, I think that you'll agree, " you can't make something like this up". M.K.

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Let me just say....

by Gary

Thank you for all that you've done for the whole Bigfoot cominuty.I can't wait to eventually meet you ,and the rest of GCBRO.So take care.

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MK, you've done one heck of a job

by DonDon

with thiinking outside the box my friend and we ALL thank you as well!!! I have a funeral I need to go to up your way wednesday if I can make it. Let me know if you're going to be around, love to get with ya that afternoon if you're free. It's gonna depend on IF I can get off work. My best friends 1st cousin Little Johnny pssed away the otehr day and now his Aunt Louise past away yesterday, they were from Benton. I'll call ya IF I can break away from the office to attend, I NEED TO.

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Thanks for all your hard work.......

by MikeInNC

The stabilizations, enhancements, etc., are the greatest thing in BF'ing since casting material!

Thanks, again.

Regards,

-MikeInNC

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Wonderful and very interesting.

by Cindy

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This is called collective "Brain Storming"...

by Monster Hunter

Your opinion of what you see is as valuable as the next persons...no one looses an arm, leg are gets excommunicated from the forum for their thoughts...unless of course you are a smart axx...there is only one smart axx allowed on this forum...and that's me...thank you very much...LOL

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MAn, and I thought being a Smart axx was

by DonDon

a requirement for being on here. LOL

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From much of this...

by J

I am now wondering if this may indeed be a costume.

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If it is J Mike...

by Monster Hunter

The poor fella wearing the costume is shot all to hell...

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Did someone mention hair?...

by Monster Hunter

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/380208

Unbelievable IMO...

[linked image]

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Man-o-man...

by Gary

those are a hair stylest worst nightmare.And they shouldn't go out in the woods.LOL

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Yeah Gary...I thought that as well...

by Monster Hunter

with that much hair it wouldn't be advisable to go berry picking where folks are hunting Monsters...

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Can anybody tell me...

by Monster Hunter

just what the heck that second picture is?...looks like a human cocker spaniel...

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Hopefully its a costume.

by Cindy

Almost looks like something out of Dr. Seuss.

Can you imagine being married (OK guys, maybe you can't) to the 3rd guy? Be like sleeping with a wire brush.

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That "costume" would need to be glued to a body!

by Ruby Red

If you've ever had anything glued onto your body or had a 'hot wax' job to remove hair then you know the pain associated with it when the object is removed. I once got gum in my hair...it's not glue but you get my drift. A lot of pain was associated with removing that gum!!!!

Hollywood makeup artists/costumers today pad a costume and place air bladders inside the padding to make it look as if muscles are flexing or are in motion. Robert Picardo (Star Trek fans know who he played in one of the series) was the werewolf in the first "Howling" movie. Air bladders and hydraulic lifts transformed his 5'4" frame into a 7' tall werewolf right before my amazed eyes and his transformation is one of my favorite scenes in a film. The old way was to apply the makeup, film the actor, apply more makeup, film the actor. One saw the process clearly because it was hard for Lon Chaney Jr.'s head to remain perfectly still in "The Wolf Man." Robert P.'s transformation was seamless and scary as heck!

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Yes

by J

The budges could be explained as the costume coming apart inside. Causing sections to pop loose.

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She has a dark stripe down the back of her neck.

by Cindy

Isn't she limping on the leg that had the foot with the blood on it? The reflection on her low back/buttocks appears asymmetric.
I'm struggling with this picture analyzing.

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Observations

by MikeInNC

There is a very dark patch of fur which begins at the base of her head which I noticed as well. However, without a living/dead specimen to study, who knows what's normal for a bf? I've been ignoring the fur (for better or for worse). To me, anyway, the condition of the fur only makes a difference if it's to prove the Patterson footage is fake.

For all I know, Patty was lying down/sleeping before the encounter and had a body-wide case of "bed head"? :D

As for limping..... If the left foot/leg is somehow injured and bleeding, well - imagine your own left foot/leg with an injury. You'd be stepping lightly on it, then (to keep the weight off of the injured area)taking a heavy, lurching step forward onto your right foot as you continue to keep weight off the affected area, and prepare to place the extra weight on your right leg/foot.

Assuming she actually has a limp due to a left-side injury, her motions would seem to make sense.

Believe me, I know. A sports injury comes back to haunt me about once a year....left heel bone spur in the achilles tendon area. Makes me walk just like Patty appears to, but much, much slower.....and a much more pitiful sight to behold :D

-Mike

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IMO Mike...

by Monster Hunter

If you have been superficially wounded and with gun shots going off...I guarantee these wounds may effect/hinder the walk but will darn sure not stop her attempt to escape...

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Yup. Woodland creatures are a lot tougher than most people.....

by MikeInNC

It still amazes me that game animals can take a shot and then travel great distances before expiring (or simply disappearing - despite Old Yeller's best efforts).

According to some psychologists, some people drop after taking a superficial gunshot wound because, mentally, they believe that's what they're supposed to do. I kid you not, I've actually read this! Other people can take a gunshot and barely react (adrenaline, etc.). Soldiers will describe the sensation of being shot as "being punched" and will continue to fight until someone says, "Dude, you got shot!"

Then you look at coyotes who, when shot in the right spot, will chew the area as if trying to get rid of the bee - or hornet (.22) - that stung it.

So, a 400, 500+ lb creature taking a flesh wound and continuing to hobble off into the sunset. I'd buy that...

-Mike

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More Change we can believe in

by Crispy critter

They put up this website - www.recovery.gov

Unfortunately - there is nothing there - until after they start spending. I have been able to find some of where this "Stimulus" package is going.

$44 million for repairs at the Agriculture Department headquarters in Washington.

$200 million to rehabilitate the National Mall.

$360 million for new child care centers at military bases.

$1.8 billion to repair National Park Service facilities.

$276 million to update technology at the State Department.

$500 million for the Transportation Security Administration to install bomb detectors at airports.

$600 million for General Services Administration to replace older vehicles with alternative fuel vehicles.

$2.5 billion to upgrade low-income housing.

$400 million for NASA scientists to conduct climate change research.

$426 million to construct facilities at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

$800 million to clean up Superfund sites.

$150 million for the Coast Guard to repair or remove bridges deemed a hazard to navigation.

$6.7 billion to renovate and improve energy efficiency at federal buildings.

$400 million to replace the Social Security Administration's 30-year-old National Computer Center.

$600 million for contraceptives.

$600 million for public persuasion of the upcoming universal health care program.

Where the hell is the stimulus?

Anyone who reads history knows that FDR's New Deal kept the Depression going, and only WW2 pulled us out of it.

During the Big One - banks stopped loaning money - liquidity dried up - the Government injected cash - to no positive effect - then - they raised taxes to balance the budget, pushing the failing economy over the edge.

For more fun and games, go the The White House web page - and read the agenda section. Thinking mean thought will soon be a "hate" crime against certain "other lifestyle" persons.

I'd recommend the Ethics page as well - but it was taken down while they "rethink" their policy. I' guessing since Obama banned lobbyist's from Gov. positions - than appointed one the next day.

We are in for a mess of gargantuan proportion.

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Mr. McCain

by Ruby Red

said that he couldn't back Obama's stimulus package unless he provided jobs for people. So, far in his opinion as it's written it's a spending package for no purpose much like the bail outs. Really looking forward to paying Uncle Sam more money to cover their Axx!

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by Crispy critter

Like a freight train that is out of control, can't stop it now!

All of it ticks me off. Just a big Flim-Flam on the folks. Nothing but special interest earmarks that Pelosi and Reid have been trying to cram down our throats for years. Call your congressman before it goes to vote. They will still pass it - but at least they will know how pissed we are.

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I Have Said It Many Times...

by BigfootHunter (Bobby Hamilton)

I don't argue politics and religion. But, I will say that so many people were fooled by our NEW president!!!
Alot of people voted for him, but the wolf in sheeps clothing applies here! I seen it from a mile away, and did my best to point some of this out to some of my friends before it was too late!

It's not like we had very much to choose from, but nontheless, the other choice would have been more of what we wanted than the one we got!!!

You can always tell when a politician is lying. Their lips are moving!!!

As your NEW president has said many times. "It's time for a change"! Well, that is exactly what is going to happen and not one single person in our little group is going to be happy with any part of it!

As for those BIG corporations that need this bail out! Not one of those companies gave any of us a break when doing business with them. When did you purchase an automobile and feel like you got a GREAT deal. Not one person can say they didn't feel the sting of being screwed when dealing with automobile dealers! It is NOT our problem if they cannot handle their funds!
And the thing about it is, their problems didn't just develop, they have been there.
One way to stop this kind of thing from happening, is to make it illegal for any of those CEO's to write their own checks, like they have been doing! There is NO man alive that is worth hundreds of millions of dollars. If their lifestyles are so extravagant that they cannot live on less than a million a year, they need to have their asses ran off and forced to get a job at the local Wal Mart as a door greeter, for minmum wage!
Actually, they ought to be brought down to no more than a couple of hundred thousand at the very most!

As for the change that's coming! I don't know about you folks, but I am really concerned with how all this is going to turn out! I don't trust the government and the NEW president has too many earmarks of being something else altogether! I hope I am wrong, on my feelings with this, because it is pretty damned scary!!!

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Change

by Florida Redneck

It appears we are plunging headlong into socialism in our country. It shouldn't be a surprise as the country has been headed in that direction for some time now.

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One more to look over closely...

by Monster Hunter

Yes I see the shadows as well and yes it is significant simply because we now know that Patterson was back west while filming if his time line in the report is accurate...good find...

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Look this animation over closely...

by Monster Hunter

Explain what you see...BTW...your opinion of what you notice is important...

[linked image]

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Strange.

by Cindy

Is something going on with her left knee and right wrist?

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Doesn't look "right"

by Lou

The point at which the very top of the leg meets the torso looks like a "seam." The top half , especially the stiff-looking buttocks, seem to move somewhat independently of the legs.

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The ole Girls Mouth is running 90 to nothing to start with

by DonDon

Other things I see are the hair on top of her head flips up. I still see that whatever it is sticking out at waist level. Actually the more and more I look at it, it appears that it's hair that is being blown forward, possibly from a exiting bullet. The reason I say that is that the last frame of it, it appears to get longer and thinner with each frame, like something was going through her and not just hair flipping up at her waist. I also see the leg wound. It's not there in the first frame but is the next and appears to be a straight line going through. Makes me think that someone's got a bunker to her back right as the wound is going in an upward direction. Have to take a look later on when I'm at my Laptop, lots better quality that the monitor I have here

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Possibly tissue/blood being expelled from the stomach area..N/T

by Grumpy

n/t

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Seeing things

by Ruby Red

I'll stick my neck out here and say that there seems to be something or someone hiding in the rocks behind Patty on her left; the interesting shadow is either down in the ground or flat on their stomach. I see the shadow inside the "blind" that we all discussed previously. As far as the "seam" on her side goes, it could just be the way her hair moves in the wind, or else it could be yet another gunshot which ruffled her hair?

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Re: Look this animation over closely...

by BigfootHunter (Bobby Hamilton)

There is some kind of fold, flap, crease, or something just below the hip level, at the upper portion of the right leg. And also something happens with the right arm just as it swings up, like an open spot appears just above the wrist area.

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Yes there is Bobby...

by Monster Hunter

I get a glimpse of something around the naval area...

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The damn thing has a mohawk... n/t

by Timberghost

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There are no such things as "Vampires".

Yes, vampires do exist...

Re: Yes, vampires do exist...

Old Joke..

Note to self.....

This is a message board my friend...

Funny but I called my vampires...

True vampires

Tap into this, Rob

If you knew who or what are out there

The funny part......is that I do know.

That makes complete sense...

Come out to my place this spring

Do you have snow?

A foot and a half

Guitar players are the hardest to convince.....

An "energy-seeking" vampiress

Most energy vamps don't know they are

Well, the group that used the energy vampire

They are still a joke

"Paranormal"???? who said anything about that?

Red haired giants of Nevada...

MK Davis...

BTW...

Jim.....Will you accept a challenge on photographic evidence?

I've never turned down a challenge...

And you wonder why I love you so much!

Yes, I know you would be fair...

PS...by the way....and another thing...

Keep in mind,,,,,,,,

Giant jaw bone

Humanoid....There goes your theory about shooting a monkey.

Nope...

Then why persue these bones?

Gets back to the challeege Jim...

I only met one person more stubborn then I......

LOL.....Old rule........Play dead.

You need to follow the below URL...

DAMMMMMMM........n/t

Re: You need to follow the below URL...

The original film...

I just listened to Biscardi's interview with Blevins...

What's he holding?...............................N/T

Pretty damn interesting...

Wow

No idea Scott...

Monster Hunter, what does this mean?....

Re: Monster Hunter, what does this mean?....

He's got several more albums

My God...........

No more real than a face in the clouds

Anonymous

A photo of Ishi right after he was captured...

Heck, he got caught stealing Chickens

Tax Payer Bailout money

Why am I not surprised...

To be fair

Sounds like nationalization of our banks to me

OK passed some similar bills a year back

NH Bill

I need some help

I only have a few BF message boards Don...

Timbers M. B.

THANKS my man

Back Up my man...

I have backed up ALOT of stuff, just

It won't take you long to get back up to speed...

Thanks. LOL

One of the best sites...

Try this site

Thansk guys, Bob, thanks on that one

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