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I'm all in...by Monster Hunter
Instead of toting cameras I'm toting a rifle...bad knees and all...
Being that you go by the name of "Monster Hunter".
Here is an article posted up by Dr Igor Burtsev regarding Dr Melba Ketchums work on Sasquatch DNA.
The DNA analysis of the Bigfoot/Sasquatch specimen conducted by Dr. Melba Ketchum the head of DNA Diagnostics, Timpson, TX, USA has been over!
Team of American scientists led by Dr. Melba Ketchum for five years has analyzed 109 purported samples of such creatures. The study has sequenced DNA of a novel North American hominin, commonly called Bigfoot or Sasquatch.
There were a large number of laboratories associated with this study including academic, private and government laboratories in which blind testing was utilized to avoid prejudice in testing. Great time and care was taken in the forensic laboratories to assure no contamination occurred with any of the samples utilized in this study.
After 5 years of this study the scientists can finally answer the question of what sasquatch really is. It is human like us only different, a hybrid of a human with unknown species. Early field research shows that the Bigfoot/Sasquatches are massively intelligent which has enabled them to avoid detection to a large extent. They are different than us, however human nonetheless.
The hybridization event could not have occurred more than 15000 years ago according to the mitochondrial data in some samples. Origin of this hominin was probably Middle Eastern/Eastern Europe and Europe originally though other geographic areas are not excluded.
The manuscript associated with this study has been submitted to a scientific reviewed magazine.
For years people have refused to believe they exist. Now that we know that they are real, it is up to us to protect them from those that would hunt or try to capture them for research or for sport. They should be left alone to live as they live now. After all, they are our relatives.
At this time, analysis of the Sasquatch genomes is still ongoing. Further data will be presented in the future following this original study. Additionally, analysis of various hair samples purportedly from Siberian Wildman are being tested in an effort to determine if relatedness exists between the Sasquatch and Russian Wildman.
Dr. Igor Burtsev,
Head of International Center of Hominology,
Moscow, Russia +7(916)812-6253
My assistant in the USA, Megan Wheeler: firstname.lastname@example.org
Here is Melba Ketchums reply.
It is unfortunate that the partial summary of our data was released in this manner, however, I will be making a formal response in the next few days. Even though Igor Burtsev released this, it was not Dr. Burtsev's fault.
Thanks for sharing Rick...by Monster Hunter
Interesting read but to be honest I thought there would be more verifiable facts concerning its human or animal background...kind of like its almost this but kind of like that with something we don't know what the heck it is...
Below is our official response:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
BIGFOOT DNA SEQUENCED IN UPCOMING GENETICS STUDY
Five-Year Genome Study Yields Evidence of Homo sapiens/Unknown Hominin Hybrid Species in North America
Contact: Robin Lynne, email@example.com, 231.622.5362
DALLAS, Nov. 24--A team of scientists can verify that their 5-year long DNA study, currently under peer-review, confirms the existence of a novel hominin hybrid species, commonly called Bigfoot or Sasquatch, living in North America. Researchers extensive DNA sequencing suggests that the legendary Sasquatch is a human relative that arose approximately 15,000 years ago as a hybrid cross of modern Homo sapiens with an unknown primate species.
The study was conducted by a team of experts in genetics, forensics, imaging and pathology, led by Dr. Melba S. Ketchum of Nacogdoches, TX. In response to recent interest in the study, Dr. Ketchum can confirm that her team has sequenced 3 complete Sasquatch nuclear genomes and determined the species is a human hybrid:
Our study has sequenced 20 whole mitochondrial genomes and utilized next generation sequencing to obtain 3 whole nuclear genomes from purported Sasquatch samples. The genome sequencing shows that Sasquatch mtDNA is identical to modern Homo sapiens, but Sasquatch nuDNA is a novel, unknown hominin related to Homo sapiens and other primate species. Our data indicate that the North American Sasquatch is a hybrid species, the result of males of an unknown hominin species crossing with female Homo sapiens.
Hominins are members of the taxonomic grouping Hominini, which includes all members of the genus Homo. Genetic testing has already ruled out Homo neanderthalis and the Denisova hominin as contributors to Sasquatch mtDNA or nuDNA. The male progenitor that contributed the unknown sequence to this hybrid is unique as its DNA is more distantly removed from humans than other recently discovered hominins like the Denisovan individual, explains Ketchum.
Sasquatch nuclear DNA is incredibly novel and not at all what we had expected. While it has human nuclear DNA within its genome, there are also distinctly non-human, non-archaic hominin, and non-ape sequences. We describe it as a mosaic of human and novel non-human sequence. Further study is needed and is ongoing to better characterize and understand Sasquatch nuclear DNA.
Ketchum is a veterinarian whose professional experience includes 27 years of research in genetics, including forensics. Early in her career she also practiced veterinary medicine, and she has previously been published as a participant in mapping the equine genome. She began testing the DNA of purported Sasquatch hair samples 5 years ago.
Ketchum calls on public officials and law enforcement to immediately recognize the Sasquatch as an indigenous people:
Genetically, the Sasquatch are a human hybrid with unambiguously modern human maternal ancestry. Government at all levels must recognize them as an indigenous people and immediately protect their human and Constitutional rights against those who would see in their physical and cultural differences a license to hunt, trap, or kill them.
Full details of the study will be presented in the near future when the study manuscript publishes.
When I saw this flash across the bottom screen as "breaking News" on every single TV news show.
Oh wait, that didn't happen.
Because this will not change anything, and she has proven herself to bit a bit on the eccentric side.
And there is nothing wrong with being eccentric. Just no one takes you seriously when you are saying you have proof that Bigfoot not only exists, but has human nuclear DNA, and should be recognized as an Indigenous whatever.
If this makes it through peer review. Then we will see what if anything happens.
As far as I know, she was doing some testing for some of our members as well, so I think she is on the up and up.
We know that they are out there so every piece of evidence cannot be bogus even though we are extremely critical at times (Which is not necessarily a bad thing) but it is for certain going to be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt some day, maybe this is the day?
Yes, I still believe that it's gonna take a body, but DNA is a piece of a body anyways.
You cannot get DNA off of a Gnome or a Fairy or an Elf or a Hobbit or the Easter Bunny, but this is a real being/creature and whatever it is has left it's genetic fingerprint, that says that it is real.
There has been plenty already.
It comes back unknown primate.
As this will likely do as well.
And absolutely nothing changes.
Onky on a single sample here and there. Theres never.been this many tested like this. I can only hope it passes the PEER and.gets pyblished. It may not solve the.mystery but may be enough for it to be taken seriously enough for some kind of large grant where someone could afford the right equipmant to get the real proof.
Every couple of years there is Earth shattering news.
That turns out to be nothing but hype.
Common sense seems to go on vacation whenever someone brings up DNA.
but this is the first time that it's been done like this. I've long thought about them comparing multiple samples but no one has done it til now
at the moment is a press release. No paper, no science to look at, no peer review. Just some words. They mean nothing until such time as her findings are allowed a proper and thorough study."
Or are we hybrids of Chimps? Or of apes, for that matter? How could something be a human hybrid if we are all in the same evolutionary tree? Someone has some 'splaining to do!
Since the beginning this story has had more hype than substance. Igor goes around Ketchem to release not the findings, but a PR about the findings, and what I assume he thinks they prove.
Then Ketchem is forced to put out a statement that clarifies what Igor released, yet does not explain the findings either.
Because it is probably still not final.
And just maybe, there is not a consensus. And just maybe they didn't agree that they found anything unusual.
Now I hear that they tested 40 hair samples.
I thought it was tissue from 2 dead ones shot by a bear poacher.
Hey, did he ever get in trouble for poaching? I don't think he did. Why? Because the whole story was crap. Fish and Game don't play with poachers, they toss them in the klink.
So far, nothing that has been released about this tale has panned out to be accurate. I see no reason to view this any differently
But Christmas is coming.........
Anyone doing any "Black Friday" camping?...by Monster Hunter
Are the deals really that good?...I did get an email from a camera company advertising Black Friday deals...probably were good deals but what was on sale...I don't use ...
But there were fools that started camping on Monday outside of Best Buy here.
R. Scott Nelson
Scott Nelson Crypto-Linguist
Retired from the U.S. Navy as a Crypto-Linguist with over 30 years experience in Foreign Language and Linguistics, including the collection, transcription, analysis and reporting of voice communications.
He is a two time graduate of the U.S. Navy Cryptologic Voice Transcription School (Russian and Spanish) and has logged thousands of hours of voice transcription in his target languages as well as in Persian. He is currently teaching Russian, Spanish, Persian, Philosophy and Comparative Religions at Wentworth College in Missouri.
Outstanding qualifications...by Monster Hunter
Unknown language from what some believe to be a mythical animal will certainly be a challenge...maybe more then he thinks...
Porn at MC...by Monster Hunter
Jack up that pic with Barry and Rick's faces BBWAAA HAHAHA Question it, who'd be in front? AHHH HAHAHA
I already have a photoshopped version of that with your face definitely in front and a little word balloon like in the comic strips.
I won't tell you who is in back though, and I'll never publish it,,,,unless,,,BWAHAAAAAA?
Happy Turkey day.
At least they were wearing masks to hide their identity!
True...by Monster Hunter
I definitely didn't recognize either of them...
instead of coons it's a couple of monsters instead. That's kinda funny when you think about it...the only really clear picture of a bigfoot besides Patty's could be a porn pic of monsters on a trail cam. LOL
I took a report from a very credible elderly gentleman who witnessed 2 monsters ,shall we say, consumating their relationship, in the area of Padre Island Texas.
No pictures involved though, the individual was more concerned with fleeing the scene than shooting monster porn,,lol.
I will be working on that report to get it posted up, funny how things hit in a timely fashion as I just got that report very recently.
he didn't see a couple of frisky high school hairies frolicking in the dunes? Padre Island has very little ground cover, although the water is gorgeous when the jellyfish aren't have a field day.
On the mainland side.
Have I told you, ya can't give DonDon any liquor in the woods......me either for that matter .....
Name you need to add. Barry lol
See Bear again before I do.
Probably leave your sillybutt up in the tree this time....
Now dats funny
Happy Thanksgiving weekend everyone.
This is a time for us all to count our blessings and be grateful for the things we have in our life and not dwell on what we don't.
Time to let go of the hurts and mistakes of the past and press on to a more optimistic future.
Take care and God bless and try not to eat too much turkey,,lol.
I echo his sentiments. May each of you feel as blessed as you actually are!!! Cause if you are anything like me, you are blessed far beyond what you deserve. MH, I wish you an especially Happy Thanksgiving, cause if your family is anything like mine, getting in line for food with two healthy legs is dangerous, heaven only knows how it will be fighting for position with two new ones
Happy Thanksgiving...by Monster Hunter
Looking forward to seeing family and friends... May God Bless us all...
I am Thankful the the Monster Hunter is back with new knees and doing good.I am also thankful of all the neat stuff I own and home and my Dog and THIS board with a lot of really cool people on it.I am hoping to meet a lot of you in person. Happy Thanksgiving to ALL of you.God Bless this board and every one on it.
Thanks for the kind words Danny...by Monster Hunter
IMO you can't find better folks then our members and forum members...respectful of each other and tolerant of me...one day we will share a camp fire...
Thank you for your good wishes and for being the first one to do so. May Turkey Day be great for you and yours.
This Thanksgiving I'm giving thanks that my son is alive and well after going through the car accident that we did. My son had someone of a higher power watching over him that day.
I feel grateful for finding this site and the MB with all of it's lovely members and friends who believe as strongly about bigfoot creatures as I do...you all are wonderful.
MH, I'm thankful you got your poor ole knees fixed and that you will feel better now since you quit smoking.
Are you getting used to those new knees yet?
My doctor said that I am a prime candidate for the same procedure so I am understandably curious, mine is for a different reason though, to correct the problem that makes me so pigeon toed.
Walking that way over the years has taken a toll on my knees so the doc said that I might as well look into getting them both done.
New Knees...by Monster Hunter
Should have done this a few years back Rick...it's been three weeks today...I can walk without my walker though slowly...drive my jeep and get around pretty darn good...My goal...walk without a crutch in 6 to 8 weeks...
Something about your knees...they'll let you know when it's time to replace them...I did both so I wouldn't have several down times and hurting is hurting so no big deal if one hurts or both...
First few days you'll not know or care what planet you're on and yes they'll get you up to walk the afternoon after the surgery...I could walk a bit but the next day I couldn't do anything...not one step without falling...Therapy...you have to do the therapy and exercise...walk, stretch and walk some more...I have a stationary bike coming in today or tomorrow so I'll spend a few hours a day traveling the wide open spaces of my living room......you have to do the therapy...you can bend your knees are they will...you don't want them bending which hurts...I worked on bending...hurts but it has to be done...only cussed one therapist...
Stay on top of the pain with the drugs...don't start hurting then try and catch up...I'm gradually cutting back...instead of every four hours I do six hours...should be drug free in a few weeks...
Hard part for me...I quit smoking...so far so good...21 days and counting but smoking is a terrible hard habit to break...
I may not be able to climb up in one of my deer stands before season ends but I'll be able to walk to it...
They told me with great authority that I would never have full range of motion in my arms again, and possibly my legs as well.
They sent me home with a big bottle of morphine.
And while I could not feel any pain with the morphine, I also could not do anything.
So I stopped taking them after a couple of days, and started to really work on stretching and movement.
And it hurt a lot. OK, more than a lot.
The morphine had me so goofed up I could not keep my balance. And not that I haven't spent a lot of good money to get that same effect..........I always enjoyed having my balance back in the morning.....
Persistence pays off. And they always send you home with really good pain killers!
The will to over come...by Monster Hunter
Good for you Scott...
I commend you. You da man!
Blew upby Grumpy
Scott, the story of you cartwheeling through the air, as told by your neighbor, is still vivid in my old memory banks......
It isn't often that one becomes a human skyrocket....LOL
Anyway, the point of the story wasn't to relive past excitement...but to stress how important keeping up on the therapy is.
And if they tell you that you'll never do something again, make it your goal to prove them wrong! It helps with the pain if you have an attitude about it!
Is that the reason for the nickname " Crispy"?
Jim this is the best news for your health. Proud of you, keep it up!
Been quit almost 6 years now and I smoked heavy, 2 packs a day plus, of the Marlboro cowboy killer 100's.
Just trying to give you a word of encouragement, not toot my own horn just saying that it CAN be done and I feel a LOT better since I did.
But you have to tell yourself that the first one that you pick up will be your downfall and not even allow yourself one.
Also keeping hard candy around helps.
But I don't like candy Rick...by Monster Hunter
And I'm attempting to lose 30 pounds...I can handle it...
Candy was just what helped me, and my Dad when he quit.
Just trying to help.
Jerky...good idea...by Monster Hunter
I'll try without any substitute...I have one of those e-cigarets but can't find the charger but decided I would tough it out only using the patch... So far so good but I haven't been hemmed up around smokers yet...
21 days and counting...by Monster Hunter
I'm doing good so far and I feel as if I can quit smoking there's not any habit that can't be conquered...
You are a strong individual and strong minded and also very wise.
It will be two years that Silver quit smoking on May 1st! The plus side--his clothing smells much better, he feels healthier and he sleeps better (with minimum snooring) at night now than ever before. We are in the process of fixing his bad teeth caused by smoking.
Keep the faith, MH! We salute you!
" Finding Bigfoot "by Monster Hunter
I'm not a fan but my two grandsons, 3 & 4 years old sure are...one thing Finding Bigfoot has done are have folks who have had a sighting or weird experience submit a report to our web site...either Monsters are everywhere or folks with imaginations are...I think it's a combination of both...
I also think that there are a whole lot of sightings that people don't report for fear of ridicule but I think that maybe that show is taking some of the edge off of that.
With all of the town hall meetings that they conduct and all of the hands that get raised, any fair minded person has to admit that there has to be something to all of this to get responses like that.
I am not particularly a fan either, but they are doing some good in raising awareness.
I dont even have a problem with the disco balls and laser light stuff they did.....my problem is you are scaring away every kind of critter for miles trapsing around with a camera crew, and that crap they wear when walking at night......
they need to do it similar to what les does on survivorman, film it themselves.....serious, and without playing to camera as they do....I know it is all for ratings and $$$, and general public knows nothing compared to people in here, but can wish they would make an effort, like stay in one area more than 3 days.....like 3 weeks/3 months
I have always thought that 1 or 2 nights is not long enough to get a good idea of just what all is out there.
If you spend a week or so in an active area ( day and night) I think that your chances will go up radically!
These animals don't just move by night, just ask anybody that has had a daytime sighting.
If you spend a week or so conducting a " proper" investigation, ( not including a bunch of whooping and hollering) in an active area just doing normal stuff ( tree knocking optional) then your chances of a sighting MAY go up.
Like anything else there are factors involved and I am certainly no expert by any means, but I do know that the more time that you are willing to put into anything, the better the results.
I know that Timberghosts lives in a hot area but there are times that the monsters are on a different side of the mountain, or sometimes they are just quiet.
You can't just pick a night or 2 out of a hat and expect results, you have to research it and find out what time of year they are most active, where their favorite hangouts are and when they are hanging out there and try to figure out why.
It can be exhausting but it can also be rewarding.
I know personally from my own experiences I have been in some areas and nine out of ten times nothing happened, but that tenth time I would get screamed at or eye shine or something, and that ( to me) made the other 9 times worth while.
Patience and tenacity, that's what it takes.
anything less is just blind luck.....I think in my case, my grandfather had seen them in places i did for years, never said anything, and wanted me to see them....did, and sometimes wish I hadnt
Looks just like season 2, which looked just like season 1.
After season 1 MM complained there would be no season 2 if he didn't get more control.
After season 2 MM complained there would be no season 3 if he didn't get more control.
I think he likes being on TV.
and from a couple that I've read OMG, some folks need to lay off the bottle before they fill out the report LMBO
he was a psychologist that suggested that humans naturally hallucinate these things...and im thinking...ok i know to a degree the mind can do anything,see monsters in shadows for example..however like...how ignorant!!.. I hate the show btw, cant stand it...biggest bs ever..and supposedly by the teasers of the later episodes in the season they do "dna" stuff..which as we all know will just as usual come back as "unknown" or something..and i wish they'd picked a more attractive skeptic lesbian.
That is what it's gonna take.
Anything else is just milking ratings.
I hear them use terms like" we are gonna prove Sasquatches are in the area" but first we need to prove that they exist.
Thermal pics and nv video and still photos " prove" nothing, nada, zip, zilch, zero.
Sorry but that is just the harsh reality of it.
There is no limit to the depth MM will stoop to in order to draw attention to himself...from charging people hundreds of dollars to go with his group for two days only to find nothing...claiming he can "call them in" whenever he wants...to this shallow, formulaic show. My wife couldn't understand why I watch the show with regularity when my comments about it were so negative all the time...I told her that I watch to learn what not to do and that there is no harm in it since we've never been a Nielsen family.
BTW, has anyone noticed that at every critical juncture where they stand to get a clear image or a real piece of evidence, something goes wrong with all that fancy equipment or Bobo makes some mistake that blows the opportunity? Coincidence or conspiracy?
self absorbed, arrogant, runs his own folks off with his attitude, just does what he wants without thinking about others.
I do know a couple folks that went on one of his expeditions a few years ago and they slipped off their own way for abit. As they were away from the group, they ran across one of Matts guys hoaxing wood knocks. They saw the guy doing it and when they caught back up with everyone the folks were asking them if they heard the wood knocks. LOL OOPSY
I was told...by Monster Hunter
Finding Bigfoot went to Toledo Bend near Zwolle, LA... Locals knew where they were and responded back to their calls...
From the way it appears on the show, everyone in the room knows where they are going to be "investigating". In my opinion, this almost completely invalidates anything that they hear while doing a night investigation. If you have a room with 100 people in it, it is an almost certainty that there will be at least one practical joker( or a 1% chance) in the room who will do what he/she does best when no one is looking (but when millions of people are listening). . . Did you hear that?
MM wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes at MC back in the day when it was smokin hot.
Matt and Bobo would have run over each other getting out of the woods, and Ranae would be shall we say a bit less skeptical!
were interesting due to the fact it was all new. Their ideas and procedures seemed good at the time. Now I don't watch it. I hate the drama they try to invent. I hate the same old walk in the woods routine. The eye witness now and then are the best part of the show. Too redundit for me with their formate.
years ago I inquired to be part of a group in Florida. When I was told how $ much I quickly declined. I thought if anyone got paid it should be me. I don't want to sound arrogant, but I thought I knew the area better than they did, and my "woods" experience was better than theirs.
I don't like the show or the people period.
Aside from what food you bring and what gas it takes you to get there.
Anything else is just exploitation!
walk up to me at Travis High School Monday to excitedly share that he now watches "Finding Bigfoot." He shared that he thinks it's an interesting program. So, the kids are watching for sure.
That makes for some good topics of conversation in the classroom.
I'm up front with students and explain how I've never for sure seen BF but have friends who have had bona fide experiences with the critter. Some of them will then ask IF what they see on "FBF" is accurate and in response, I've told them if you wish truth and accuracy, talk to the researchers/investigators WHO HAVE found real evidence or have had unhoaxed sightings. Then I say those folks are NOT on any silly t.v. shows.
I explain, if you want to find out if Bigfoot is real, head for the woods of East Texas BUT don't go hunting for BF alone or unarmed...and the rest of them may research the internet. I always share the GCBRO web site and say, start your internet research with the best site I know. Kids ask great questions and very rarely are they skeptical or rude about the discussion.
Hello everyone...just wondering what the action is like in SE Oklahoma lately?? Had anything interesting happen??
about Timberghost's website you should check it out!
to Timber's site but it sure looks great.
You have to register before you can log in...
but still was unable to log in, maybe it takes a while to get processed?
You should be good to go now...
but no go. It said I already have an account but I don't remember IF it's under RubyRed or SWarren. And as for the password...CRS prevents me from remembering that, too. Any more suggestions? I sure do wish I could log onto your site as it seems to be a great one.
Something I can't seem to shake...by Monster Hunter
Several months back Jake, Doug and I did a little late night snooping... Jake using the thermal was about thirty feet behind us when he asked where was Doug...Doug was to my left standing next to me...Jake in thermal saw something he thought was Doug walking to my right back into the tree line...whatever this was was only feet from us...Doug is about 6'1" and about 190 pounds...none of us heard anything throughout the night but we did get a few distance hits on the thermal...
It's one thing for the monsters to come in and act like monsters, that's expected.
But to come in under the cover of darkness and mingle amongst the group,,,sheesh!
Like we have always said,, they are some smart, slick and stealthy,suckers!
That's what bothers me...by Monster Hunter
That big, that close, no sound even when it walked away...several folks I know, including myself, will tell you...something just ain't right about these Boogers...all good hunters know there aren't any game animals we can't successfully hunt..Monsters...darn near impossible...
I have had them get right next to me at times without anyone noticing until the creature gets startled by something. For a while I thought it was only me losing my hearing. But it's more. There Is something not right about these things! But I can't definitely explain what is going on.
creature in this world of ours it can only be because of stealth and or the ability to blend in to its environment. There isn't any other explanation imho.
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New knees..by Monster Hunter
So far so good.. Thanks for the prayers and well wishes...pain killers are nice but kind of hard to stay focused more then a few minutes at a time...should be chasing the Monsters in a few months and it will be nice to be able to walk a few miles without the agony of the knees killing me...
we all missed you. Hang in there and heal up...and then WATCH OUT! monsters because here comes trouble.
Welcome Back!!!!! n/tby Grumpy
I hope all is well.The board gets kinda quiet without you.You are most definitely missed.
Good to see your'e back. Rest up, then give them hell !
Stay strong and do the physical therapy all the way through...and you will be chasing the monsters in no time.
Lead the charge chasing after a monster Jim. Took both of mine bou 7-8 years to totally heal after i strained both the acls dancing of all things. Lol.
How you "look" when you are dancing....LOL
No wonder them knees got hurt!
Thank God you have a designated driver.............LMAO !
is pretty sad but least I'm up on the dance floor
I practiced Orthopedic Nursing before I got out of the profession and I know that can be a long road back. Isn't always but it can be. Hope and pray yours is really a good one!
I hope that you are able to get back up and around ASAP.
I know that being down has to be driving you nuts, you are an outdoors type and being cooped up doesn't seem to be your cup of tea.
God bless and speedy recovery.
Hang in there brother. Recovery is going to hurt, I'm sure of it, but remember "pain is just the weakness leaving the body". I know that sounds like a corny statement, but it really is the truth. You will back up and out in no time at all. I know you will whoop this thing!
I'm pretty hard headed Big D...by Monster Hunter
I can stand the pain while working out but after a hard work out...pain pill & ice or I stiffen up like a fire poker...Wednesday...worked out and had an appointment to remove the staples...took a pain pill at 8 AM...therapy from 11 to 12...about 1 I reached in my jacket pocket...pain pills are not there...fell out in my daughters car with my wife picking me up...set in my wife's office for about an hour...so stiff I couldn't stand up without help...had to use a wheel chair at my next appointment...finally a pain pill at 4 PM...Jake drives me home about a half hour drive...by the time I got home I was pain free...the wonderful world of drugs...never have major surgery and misplace your pain pills...
"Better living through chemisrty" is a commom saying in my line of work. I'm glad you are able to get some relief with the meds. Hang in there and get better soon. I look forward to roaming around with you the next time I see you. Heck, taking a walk with you and Grumpy at the same time would be like walking on a football field with Bear Bryant and Vince Lombardi! I don't think it could get any better as far as experience and knowledge are concerned.
Red Haired Giantsby Grumpy
M K Davis discusses the red haired giants of Lovelock Cave
Monster Hunterby Grumpy
Haven't talked with him yet but he has been home recovering for two days now, since he bit the bullet and had both knees done at the same time his recovery will be longer. I'm sure once he is able he will post and let everyone know the gory details.......
are happy LOL
And he hasn'tby Grumpy
had a smoke since he went into the hospital..... I hope it lasts!!!!! After smoking for 40 years I know how hard it is to quit...
He's going to need them lungs clear to keep up with them new legs!
Two new knees and gets his wind back,,,monsters BEWARE!
I'm glad he's home and I'm sure he is too. You're right about the smokes...I hope he can stay away from them. Smoking isn't good for the healing process.
Not very good for the ol' lungs when he is chasing down monsters.
Monster hunter's progressby Grumpy
Had a long talk with monster hunter this morning and he's doing as well as could be expected after double knee replacement surgery. Is progressing with physical therapy and trying to adapt to not being able to get out of his normal chairs once he sits in them, sitting is easy getting out is impossible!!! He said as soon as he can find a higher chair to sit at his computer table he will be back with us and thanks everyone for all their prayers and best wishes.... He appreciates your concern for him and his recovery.
I remember reading an account of a reporter going into nw wilderness for several weeks and encountering Bigfoot and living among several before leaving. I saw it on this site, can someone point me to it?
I believe it was around the time you guys posted accounts of the first or second big hunt? Maybe 1999 or 2000? I could be off. I have been gone from the site for a long time.
Ghillie suit, plain as day.
You are camping, you have a .44 magnum under your pillow, you wake up in the middle of the night and hear something huge outside of your tent and the moon outlines it perfectly, it is a Bigfoot and it is rubbing it's hand across your tent.
You know exactly where it is, do you shoot at it?
Hypothetical questionby Grumpy
IMO that is no different than what is referred to as a Brush Shot, where inexperienced hunters shoot at noise without seeing/positively identifying their intended target. And you have no idea how many of his/her family is also there waiting for a snack or left overs.
Unless that sucker is trying to rip the canvas ( or vinyl) open to try and get at you, I say hold off until you SEE what it is that you are shooting at.
That is why I like at least a pop up camper, you can put a little more than a thin layer of canvas between yourself and whatever is out there,( wolves, coyotes, bears, or what have you).
Never shoot at shadows or sound, always be SURE of your target.
Remember, once you send that bullet out there, nothing in the world can pull it back!
Shadows don't make the monster, and it could be your good friend, brother, etc who knows you are camping, looking for Bigfoot, there to play a trick on you. Any gun advocating individual will always tell you to make sure of your shot and seeing something as a shadow doesn't meet that criteria. Now if that shadow becomes violent towards you and begins attacking you and you become fearful of your life, at least in Florida, the law protects you. Since, even if it turns out to be a human, you have the right to protect yourself.
id shoot directly out the top of the tent to scare whatever it was off...the bullet once reaching its maximum altitude would then fall at terminal velocity back to earth not hurting a thing
addendum: A free-falling object achieves its terminal velocity when the downward force of gravity (FG) equals the buoyancy/resistance force of drag (Fd). This causes the net force on the object to be zero, resulting in an acceleration of zero.
As the object accelerates (usually downwards due to gravity), the drag force acting on the object increases, causing the acceleration to decrease. At a particular speed, the drag force produced will equal the object's weight . At this point the object ceases to accelerate altogether and continues falling at a constant speed called terminal velocity (also called settling velocity). An object moving downward with greater than terminal velocity (for example because it was thrown downwards or it fell from a thinner part of the atmosphere or it changed shape) will slow down until it reaches terminal velocity
Rounds don't get discharged unless there is real need and adequate certainty of the target. Besides, with a .44 magnum you might not remember if you fired six shots or only five (Gratuitous Dirty Harry reference).
Found this impressive print at the local Wal-Mart, it did taste authentic! Dadgum monsters are every where. LOL
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Anyone headed to the Four Corners area (where New Mexico, Colorado, Utah and Arizona border) please contact me before you leave. My investigation there a few weeks ago resulted in my walking up on a pot grow and getting shot at over a dozen times! The Feds forbade me to share any information about the incicent until my deposition was officially entered into evidence, which happened yesterday.
When you go out, please please please be careful and watchful for more than just monsters! I will gladly share the location of the small valley I stumbled into with anyone intending to work that area.
outdoor Pot went out of style in Oklahoma a decade ago.I thought everyone grew Pot indoors now.
It's actually more widespread here in New Mexico than you'd think. I'm told that it's the fifth major field found here this calendar year. My problem is that I have only been here a couple of years and don't have established research areas like most of you have been able to identify. Although it appears that Darrell and I will be combining our efforts in the near future in an area of recent activity. Just don't take it for granted that an unfamiliar area has only the usual hazards...this was an eye-opener for me.
A few years back, myself and another member were scouting this island in the Atchafalaya River Basin. We were following up on a report by two fishermen having a sighting in this area. The report was several months old when it got to us, but we did find what looked like an old bedding area very near the location. Having tied the boat down we were walking a ridgeline when we stumbled on four of five very nice marijuana plants cultivated along the ridge! This was small time stuff, and I dont think we were in danger, of course it would have been a hell of a shoot out, but just goes to show you what you may find in the woods!
the Bigfoot(s) are now growing their own pot to smoke? That's amazing. Just funnin' with you, Mr. Phelps (and I couldn't help myself). I'm not surprised by this. As the economy (and our country as a whole) continues on the down-slide, I fully expect that this kind of activity as well as Moonshining will become VERY popular. That part about BF was stretching it, of course.
Haven't been in Northern CA or Oregon lately, have you? LOL
Ole Silver Fox and I AIN'T been anywhere since our last vaca to Tennessee in 2005 and we sure do hate the fact. We truly miss getting away from hot, steamy Texas in the summer and heading up to a cooler clime. There's nothing better than getting in the ole SUV and hitting the road around noonish. IF driving a far piece, that meant we'd be on the road long after dark when the BF sometimes cross the roads.
Oh, well, maybe one day in the future. Seven years is a long time to go without taking a 7-10 day trip to see our beautiful country.
Doesn't take much cash to be a hoaxer.
I have for sale a Gorilla suit. Im asking $80 but negotiable.
I am in the Sparta cookeville area of tennessee. the other night my dog started to growl and went to the big glass doors going to the deck, which is just off my bedroom. out about 50 yards was this thing that i thought was someone going to come up the drive and as i fully woke up relized this was some kind of animal. tall, stalky, and looked like he was wearing a fur coat. I have a yard light so am I nuts or is their others out there that has seen this to not just here any where?
I removed your email prior to posting. Please file a report with GCBRO on our main web site at gcbro.com. And yes these creatures do exist!!! LOL
Been through there many times. Butts up against some might fine country where I have gone looking before.
Mary Green lives.
I went up to Standing Stone park with her and a friend and something threw a rock down the hill in my direction.
We were the only vehicle there.
Is a cool place
Not sure what to make of it but it's got some real wide shoulders. I wish they'd have kept the camera on it for just a couple more seconds so I coulda seen how it walked more
To be DonDon.
I am curious on why everyone always runs away when the "See".............
I mean, when you run away from your dog, what does it do?
When you run away from a bear, what does it do?
And since it is pretty common knowledge that not only will animals chase after people who run from them....animals run much faster and I think nearly always catch the person. If it is you dog it is fun.
Animals like to run away from people who do not run away from them.
but not everyone has your cajones Bro. I still have a vivid memory of that night when you were screaming at the Monster LOL
Makes a guy do crazy things....LOL
Monster Hunter Updateby Grumpy
Monster Hunter hopes to be out of the Hospital and back home sometime mid to end of next week.
He'll be running and tackling the monsters in no time.
Knee Picturesby Grumpy
Monster Hunter won't be wearing shorts for awhile!!!!!
That hurts to think about!
Is that what you call KNEEZLES?
You have my full sympathy!
Long time ago....galaxy far, far away.
The overpass won.
8 years ago it got torn down.
I'm still here.
Hang in there Grumpy..it get's worst!
"You might be a redneck if you schedule your knee replacement in the Wal-Mart
Hurry back home Jim.
hey mr jim just wanted to let u know we all are praying for you and hope you have a speedy recovery, were trying to keep up with stuff , have some new pic for u, this time i used my camera instead of the phone will call u soon, good luck with the new knees and will talk to u soon
New tenative Discharge dateby Grumpy
Monster Hunter advises that his tentative discharge date from the hospital is Friday...or not until he can out run the Nurses on his floor........
Here's a quick 10 million for you BF hunters out there to make.
As I recall this was posted awhile agoby Grumpy
and we discussed it's time to stay out of the woods with all the idiots who will be out there............
I checked pages down, but never seen it.
As a longtime hunter, this might be the ideal opportunity to scare one into your gun sight. Only a body will do once and for all to prove BFs existence.
It may have been in one of the GCBRO hunt crew group emails between friends, but we have discussed it somewhere.......
They state that this is simply a publicity stunt. So I doubt they have any intention of paying out the $$$.
Devil is always in the details.
I've re-read it again and I don't see that. Its even underwritten by Lloyds of London. They see it as a safe bet no one will come up with a body. Even Bobbi Short, everyone knows her, says its legitimate.
I've re-readby Grumpy
Doug, your missing the main reason this was posted by them... To promote their TV show and the hunt is 'Not' open to anyone but only the teams on the show and we all know they Will be controlled just like those on finding BF and the other reality shows.. Real research is boring so they spice it up to please those watching the TV series..... Real Researchers take this for the joke it is and ignore these idiot's who have never spend a day in the field without a film crew for protection.
"The $10 million is, of course, a publicity stunt. "
Just likeby Grumpy
when the film crew of Finding Bigfoot responds to calls and wood knocks and the flunkies don't even know they are being had.............
which does not exist, DNA hair tests are worthless.
they may have a control..there surley is a database of hair samples in universities and private collections over there to test against...but my 2 cents is lately only stupid fluff BF pieces have come outta russia, it may just be their gag and laugh over there if they release something like this mainstream..
I would not say it is worthless. It may not be able to tell you what it is but it can tell you what it ain't, and that is 99% of the battle.
anything that comes out of Russia.
There's plenty of hoaxers in this field, the longer you get into it. You sure can't believe everyone or everything said or read.
Just in from Russiaby Grumpy
Keep the Monster Hunter in your thoughts and prayers today. He's going through double knee replacement right now so let's wish him success and a speedy recovery. It'll be sweet to hit the woods with him again once he's back up and running....
Monster Hunterby Grumpy
Yes he is and we all hope everything went well, I have thought about him several times today and am sure he'll be out hiking with new bionic knees real soon.
he'll need all the canes he can handle for a while.
we should have purchased him a bell so he can ring it when he needs anything. I'm certain his family would appreciate it... Knowing Jim he has already thought of this....lol.......
Know a woman who had both knees replaced 17 years ago...said she would do it all again if she had to.
Steve Austin got started.......The Bionic Monster Hunter in the making.
He will have to give the monsters a head start now......
I'll be praying for you my friend.
(You know what I mean)
Get well soon!!
Our last visit showed me how bad his knees were, and he was looking forward to the surgery! God's speed to my friend and a quick recovery!
Godspeed in your recovery my friend! Will send up some prayers for you.
Praying for you brother!
I hope Jim's surgery went smoothly and his recovery will be quick.
Get Well Soon.I sure hope this does the trick for you(getting your knees in good shape).
they inserted one of those little exploratory medical cameras before the operation and the photos came out blurry!
Speedy recovery and good luck from Canada!
Our prayers are with him!
maybe this'll hook the olde boy up
Monster Hunter's awake and alive....by Grumpy
Got an email from him around 0317hrs this morning, he was having trouble sleeping and was drinking coffee... guess he needed a caffeine boost before walking to the store for smokes.....LOL Take care old friend and don't do to much to soon!!!!
he is doing good. His spirits are good, his CRS is a little worse with the drugs in his system tho. LOL
Ken that was really nice of you to blame it on the drugs....... LOL We all know better.
Double knees. Wow! You are in my prayers. Take care. I knew a guy that got doubles at age 75 and he was thrilled as to how his life changed.
I wonder if they cut that chord while they had him in surgery?
You know, the one that runs from his a$$hole to his eyeballs that gave him such a $hitty outlook on life?
I wonder?by Grumpy
Doctors are not allowed to use cable cutters in OR, they are to hard to sterilize with all the lubricant need to operate smoothly......
I wonder?by Grumpy
We are safe Timber, it will be weeks before he can chase us........ LOL We just better not close our eye's or fall asleep the next time we get together in the woods......
about the pain this morning to his doctor. The doc said, I gave you pain medicine, have you been following the label? Jim said yes, it says keep tightly closed!
He only used it one time too, the second time it said "Do not use if seal is broken" so he threw them away,,lol.
funny, I don't care who ya are!
are coming your way. You are SO gonna love your two brand-new knees. There will be some post-op pain and some rehab but then, BF watch out the Monster Hunter will be back on the trail...
Happy Halloween MH and everyone aboard the MB! Pretty soon MH will be stalking and chasing those pesky monsters like he's never done before! Get well soon MH!
Weneed you out there hunting theb\big furries.
Have you ever found something looking for something else...by Monster Hunter
Found some old pictures I took before MC was turned into an oil patch...hard to believe the changes...Sadea was a young pup, I could still get around and Jake was a young whipper snapper...amazing how time flies...
Jim, please send me an email, I need to ask you a couple of things , not sure where I placed ur email addy, so much junk around here it's embarrassing.
firstname.lastname@example.org Monster Hunter
in them. I wonder how long they have been hanging out at MC before you discovered them?
Video...MK Davis...by Monster Hunter
the problems w/ sub par video recording devices!!! infuriating to me...poor MK trying to turn **** into a sandwich with the footage collections of his, I mean he is without a doubt one of the best analysis guys and video editing/clarifying folks around but geez...i just wish i could get within 100 yards of a rascal sasquatch w/ my rig.
Trail...by Monster Hunter
This picture was taken a while back...this trail leads from the pond behind Ms. Shirley's home to the old cabin at Ms. Francis home...and no...if these ladies visited they more then likely would drive or walk the road...never would they walk through the pine thicket, not in the picture, back and forth...
the ladies would be afraid to walk that even on a nice sunny day like the type of day in the picture? If this trail is highly used do you have a camera set up nearby aimed at it?
Yes I had several game cams stationed on and around...by Monster Hunter
plus many other trails...they quit using them and started walking in the pine thickets where there are many trails...I had a game cam stationed at a trail they walked coming out of some pines into the back of Ms. Francis property...something leaned a stick up against the camera...put game cameras all through the thickets and around the home...some success but for the work and time involved every picture from a game cam that has a Monster I have probably 150 hours labor involved...so the way I figure it...gas to get back and forth plus 20 bucks an hour for labor plus 6 game cams the pictures cost me about 5200 dollars over a two year period...plus another 16 to 1700 hundred for the video system...and hundreds of hours watching recorded video...damn...I kind of wish you hadn't asked...I really hadn't thought about expense until you brought it up...LOL...
Instead of eating a bologna sandwich I could have been eating steak...
And I just saw an awesome new Harley that for just a wee bit more could have been purchased for that price...almost! Gets expensive. I haven't tallied up what I spend on the hobby but I'll bet it is more than I initially think!
If you ever get a really great shot of a monster with one of your cameras I'll buy you a big juicy steak dinner!
superhighway right there
They were like that throughout the property until...by Monster Hunter
I started hanging game cameras and the video system...
are watching you setting up the cameras?
I was wondering what it might be that tips them off. Allot of hard work just to get a couple of picks. Monster Hunter you are a determined man, wish I could be there helping you. Good luck!
it sounds pretty bad for the folks up north...thank goodness it missed Florida. We sure have had many days of windy weather because of it. I hope people heed warnings and take care.
Btw...I wonder if we'll hear of more Bigfoot reports afterward. Monsters on the run!
Hurricane's...by Monster Hunter
I've talked to a few men who toughed it out during hurricane's in South East Texas...they said never again...they told me they thought they were going to die...relentless rain and wind for 24 hours...
Looks like the Mother of all Hurricanes. It could make the aftermath of Katrina look like a practice mission. They expect it to hit a cold front and have all H3ll break loose.
There is a lot to be said for having a survival bag with food and water. Everyone thinks you are nuts, until this happens and they want what you stored up.
into the hunt camp for a ten day deer hunt. We can only get there by trail and then by boat. The storm will just be angry rain and wind by the time it gets here but it still means a whole day in a rain suit and trying to keep equipment dry. I'm not complaining though. It's a heck of a better circumstance than those folks on the coast have to endure. Wishing them the best!
Good luck with your hunt T.....by Monster Hunter
I along with many pray for the folks in harms way of the hurricane...
Hope to hear a good report on your knee surgery when I get back.
No more sniping at us...by Monster Hunter
I hope you don't think you're that damn smart that I don't know what you're attempting to do...no more or I'll ban your axx...and you know exactly who you are...I've had enough...
3296 Old Benton Rd. Benton Ms. 39039
Im sure J Mike?..by Monster Hunter
Will mail them ASAP...you should have them by the end of the week...
MK Davis...Monsters Junk?...by Monster Hunter
Is the interview he did with Gimlin a few years back. How about it MK?
Mk didn't video the Gimlin interview but...by Monster Hunter
He did video Al Hodgson and took miles of video of scenery of his trips to the PNW...last I heard he loaned it to J Mike several years back and he hasn't received it back yet...
What!!!! Sounds like J better get a box in the mail soon to MK so he can repost what Michael asked to see....
So THAT's who it is.. MK told me someone had his stuff and ignored him when he asked for it back...He didn't say who at the time. That's been SEVERAL years ago.
What about it JMichael? Wanna give MK his stuff back?
I just spoke with MK...He headed down to J Mike's...by Monster Hunter
To get his belongings...after getting about half way there J Mike called and told him not to come...MK also told me he has emailed J Mike many times and all he gets is a pissy axx auto response...apparently J Mike ain't giving MK his belongings back...and I always thought they were good friends...ain't that a hell of a note when a friend turns you around?...
I've known MK a long time and that doesn't sound good, I wonder why "J" isn't returning his video's???? Telling him not to come to get them sounds like he no longer has them for whatever reason.....
Maybe he did lose them but...by Monster Hunter
At least call the man or email him if you did...everyone makes mistakes, misplaces or loses something of importance but man up and tell the man...hopefully J Mike locates MK's belongings and returns them...
I hope your right Jim and they turn up, MK has put a lot of time, work and effort into all those video(s) and shared most for all of us to enjoy....
MK has traveled thousands of miles...by Monster Hunter
to get that video...it's his not J Mikes...I find it baffling that a man will not correspond with a man but yet then again I find it even more baffling for keeping another mans work...what's up with that?...
Maybe J Mike will chime in on the thread...by Monster Hunter
It would be interesting to know why he hasn't returned MKs videos...always two sides to every story...
Yes I do have some of MK's older mini-dv discs. I have not received any request for them in years. He did want to come get them once but I was going to be out and I asked him not to come because I wouldn't be here. The tapes were in a box in the back of a closet where i had put them up. I got them out after he had asked about them. I didn't hear back from him after that.
MK is on my facebook and here, there is ample ways he can get in touch with me. Send me an address and I'll ship the tapes.
I'm not holding anything from him, though at the time the tapes were not loaned to me, they were given to me because MK said he was "getting out of the bigfoot thing". He is welcome to them back, I have no need for them.
Atta boy J MikE...by Monster Hunter
I knew you were a man of your word and a stand up kind of guy...
The man spends THOUSANDS to get that stuff, travels thousands of miles, puts in countless hours, loans it to a man that's supposed to be a friend and can't get it back?
Where I come from that's not good at all if you wanna remain friends...
Why in the heck would someone do something like that?
Worked for me Timber...by Monster Hunter
Maybe you got a haint in your computer...I hear they're going around...
Maybe the monsters are prancing with his connection.
Dad gum autocorrect!
too much beer!
I had to reconnect our laptop to the internet today and trouble-shoot the problem until I restored connectivity. Ole Silver Fox is not (bless his heart) as agile on the computer as I am and he may have pressed the wrong button or so he said. I was ready to blame it on the weather...so haints may be behind it. That's as good an explanation as any.
it's no wonder he throws his leg way up over the barb wire fence.
LMAO...so you know why...by Monster Hunter
Must have the same problem Barry...LOL
First walk sequence...MK Davis...by Monster Hunter
Did anyone watch the video?...by Monster Hunter
I find it interesting that the first sequence of filming Patty makes it to the tree line...
i was blown away when i saw this a couple weeks ago, AMAZING footage and stabilization...it was like watching a whole new PG film imo. wonderful stuff ole' MK does.
I think he should approach one of the major networks with his footage. YouTube is just not the media outlet for such compelling evidence. The clips could easily be marketed as the most intriguing evidence to the authenticity of the films every presented. With the recent rising interest in all matters Bigfoot, I believe millions would watch. If an individual watches the entire sequence of videos that M.K. has, they will be hard-pressed to dismiss the footage as fake. I know it is not a corpse, but it is the next best thing. If a picture is worth a 1000 words, these videos should be worth at least a few million. Hey, innocence only has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt within the criminal justice system, and anyone with a brain cannot watch these clips and say that they are "beyond a reasonable doubt" fake. I'm just saying! I believe in you M.K., and so do several others on this forum. Think about it.
I talked to a producer about that Big D...by Monster Hunter
They're not interested in the Patterson footage one way or the other...they want real time feet on the ground sensationalism...they want folks who pick up coyote crap and make asinine statements of what it could be and of course the wood knocks, maybe a vocal and a lot of..."did you hear that?"...they want excitement and the folks to be on the edge of their seats with anticipation of actually seeing a BF that unfortunately never shows up...
It's a money game with them making the money...nothing wrong in making a buck but these basxxxx don't believe in sharing the wealth...
Maybe the members of GCBRO should begin the process of making a documentary. Sure, it may take two or three years to get enough footage to make a two hour show, but I believe with the talents of the individuals involved in the group coupled with the numerous areas throughout the U.S. that the GCBRO has access to, a pretty darn good film could be made that may have the potential to net the group some money to purchase equipment and to cover other expenses. Who knows MH, you might even be a movie star:-)
i've been in the pre stages of actually doing such, and i want to feature members of the GCBRO, im talking yes 2 hr feature length, outings, interviews, the whole 9 yards, and ideas or concepts wanted to be included shoot me an email, id like to do it up super legit, ive got the hardware and time to shoot it and make it look really damn good and epic, i want to make a beautiful artful and scientific documentary thats not been done yet >
Something I didn't notice in the black eyed picture...by Monster Hunter
On the left hand side of the picture it looks like a chimpanzee squatting down...what I see...is an arm with this whatever it is facing the black eyed thing...
Here's one Ms. Francis took with the digital...by Monster Hunter
She still hasn't figured out the zoom but when she sees something moving around in her back yard she'll take a picture...I've attached a couple here...first appears there might be something...second is later in the day that shows there is nothing there...but I do know shadows play tricks but I can't remember seeing anything in that area I thought was a Monster and I've been there many times at all different hours of the day...
Monster Hunter, the 2nd photo is much clearer. Maybe if you can down size the first one with the critters in view, it would be easier to see them.
Here it is again......by Monster Hunter
The sun is not helping the picture at all...it appears it was taken around 10 AM from what I can tell...I enhanced the picture a bit but there is just so much I can do with limited soft ware...she many have moved the camera while taking the picture since it is not focused...I have the camera set to self focus...
BTW...the Monsters she sees during the day come through periodically between 10 and noon...
I see it. I am sure it is something ! Day time sightings are not all to common. They must feel pretty comfortable. Maybe offer them a beer or ice tea.
Do they ever show aggression?
Look at the size of that pumpkin!!! Now that is impressive!
Looks like two Monsters back there.
That's what I see as well Scott...by Monster Hunter
Just inside the tree line...before I started snooping around down there they walked across the open part of her yard...maybe its my after shave they don't like...
From my perspective...by Monster Hunter
That's a couple of Monsters...Ms. Francis has walked out in her yard amongst them taking pictures...I know what I have seen...I know what I see in their pictures even though some are not just right...it's easy to talk about pictures that are blurry, Monsters back in a tree line but there is a certain fear factor that occurs after a sighting...most wouldn't even think to take a picture until after the fact...
The picture Ms. Shirley sent to me...she said she smelled a horrid stench...heard some limbs breaking and then saw the beast...she text me telling me every hair on her body stood up but she still took the picture...
Ms. Francis is now more cautious of walking out to them after I showed her several in the shrubs next to her while taking a picture of three...I don't want them to be scared to death but be reasonable remembering this is indeed a wild something...anything is possible and I don't want anything happening to anyone...so far I know of no one that has been attacked by a Monster and I don't want to hear or read about a person being physically attacked...
Monsters move when Monsters want to move...by Monster Hunter
day or night...I'm sure when the weather is hot here or anywhere during the day they move more at night...I use to feed during the hot months at MC...boogers would follow me around at times...probably more so then thought...
does she want picture for evidence like to show to the world or just pictures to send to you to assess the situation? ive got a movie film camera , the same type of camera used to shoot major movies and commercials and music videos, it also does still photos, i mean waht are the chances of being able to camp out there for like 2 or 3 weeks and actually get some decent 100% footage of these things? Hell you know I dont wanna shoot one w/ a gun. just pics , films...whats the hold up on that?
We do have a plan...by Monster Hunter
My problem...The distance between us and my obligations...I could stay there for any length of time but I would need help with my kennel...dog pens to clean...dogs to feed and water...if they could go without food, water and wade sxxx for a month I'd go down and stay...we do have video cameras going at all times...we also have camcorders, digital cameras...not the best by all means but enough quality to film or take pictures of Monsters...
Appreciate the offer but we'll just keep on plugging...
if you believe they were taking the fried chicken you were leaving before ...how about leaving some up on that gas tank with the camera aimed that way. The gas tank seems like it's sitting more out in the open than the shed. I just find it hard to believe these critters are a lot smarter than we humans and we can't trick(or treat) them into being videoed or captured on a trail cam. Very aggravating! I applaud all your efforts!
Fried chicken on the gas tank...by Monster Hunter
I'd be feeding the dogs Nellie that's why I used the old cooler trailer...last time I left the large box...no pictures...could be the game camera malfunctioning...BTW...I did have a video camera pointed where you could plainly see the trailer...nothing that I could see...
there has just got to be a way to get a better video or picture of these monsters. If trying to bait them is out then what would tempt them to show themselves out in the open for a cheesecake shot?
I refuse to get frustrated knowing...by Monster Hunter
from years of fooling with the Monsters you have to persevere and be patient...when I first started with a game camera years back I thought it would be easy and at times I was frustrated...now...what happens...happens...but I'm still eager to see if anything is caught on any of the cameras...more times then not I'm disappointed...I stay disappointed quite a bit fooling with the Monsters...
I know some day you WILL BE REWARDED for your efforts. And every one on the MB hangs on too! I can only wait for that day.
I believe that Jim is gonna be the one to get good video from down there.
He and the ladies have got some pretty good stuff already and I think that once he gets these new knees installed, he is gonna take to them like never before.
For me, the give-away is that the camera WAITS expectantly
for the arrival of the Sasquatch or whatever it is.
Looks like the same costume he used in the other two sasquatch videos he has up. LOL
Unbelievable...by Monster Hunter
Those folks have a BF costume...
This is not even a good fake and I hope his mother does not watch this and hear his trashy mouth.
Ms. Francis did use the digital camera I loaned her...by Monster Hunter
Obviously older since we haven't had any frost since last winter...I really don't know what these impressions are from and she can't remember...by looking at the picture it appears it was taken close to the house...
They both look three toed...left and right
That's what I see as well Timber...by Monster Hunter
looks like a three toed track...a couple of them...
shoes left outside over night? There should be a trackway leading to and away if it were in fact prints.
A pair of shoes left outside during the winter months?...by Monster Hunter
Have you ever done that T?...if I have I can't remember...
Ha, I forgot that's what you in the South call winter. I was thinking along the lines of a night of frost after a nice day. We get frosty nights like that here starting the third week of Sept. By the middle of Dec. were usually up to our knees in snow.
I can't remember the last frost here T...by Monster Hunter
But I do know I've been mowing grass since February...that's a first for me...usually we have enough winter that goes through March to April...
One would have to really beg the question why is this photo so clear and the BF photo below so blurry? Why does she not use this same camera to get clear shots? I hope her intent is not to deceive.
I began the thread saying Ms. Francis used the digital camera...by Monster Hunter
Ms. Shirley has been using her cell phone to take pictures which is handy but the picture quality is not up to par...she told me this morning she would start using her digital camera...Ms. Francis has been using a $5 dollar 35mm walmart film camera which is darn near as bad as a cell phone when it comes to picture quality but the picture can be enhanced with out losing as much as with a digital...the developing solution these folks used is old therefore the tint and white specks...
I loaned Ms. Francis a digital camera with zoom that she is now using...I hope...Last time down I swapped SD cards with her...so far I haven't seen anything in her pictures other then the tracks but I haven't given them the proper time as of yet...
Two different ladies, two different homes within several hundred yards or less of each other...they are good friends spend time together drinking coffee and doing what ladies do...but they are sincere when it comes to Monsters...they know what to look for and spot items most who call themselves researchers over look...
I an on board with Grumpy on using video instead of a camera. Sure would be great if you could get either lady to wear a ball cap mounted video camera.Another good idea that costs money.
It sure sounds like the monsters are very comfortable, relaxed, hanging around this area. It is a researchers dream come true. Monster Hunter, have these critters displayed any aggression toward these ladies?
Some aggression...by Monster Hunter
Growling and hitting the house...Ms. Shirley's back screen door was heavily damaged...at times they'll hear them raising hexx...usually around midnight if I remember correctly...
Ms Francis had some five or six month old pups...one late afternoon they were raising sand in the small field littered with pine trees...I walked out there...when I got to where the pups were they took off going to the old barn...I didn't see anything though I scoured that area well...two weeks later those pups were missing and I know a person couldn't catch them...I wormed and inoculated these pups with Ms. Francis being the only one who could hem them up long enough to catch...Ms. Shirley has lost a dog or two...and some chickens, guineas and ducks...Jake found a neatly stack of chicken feathers behind the pond and I found where something plucked a guinea and neatly stacked the feathers...
Ms. Shirley and a friend came home one night from the store...something in the pine thicket started growling...it got louder and more menacing before the ladies could get in the house...scared them so bad Ms. Shirley either left her keys in the door or broke a key off trying to get in the house...
I'm thinking they are not too scared of anything. Damn I wish I could go with you. We could set up some trip flares, bang flares, and sit with pepper spray.
Doug you complain about wise crack remarks...by Monster Hunter
But you leave yourself wide open to have your hand slapped...
"I hope her intent is not to deceive."
Had you monitored our forum for the last few years you would know these ladies have no intentions of deceiving you or anyone else...Is Doug Murdoch your real name or is it your intent to deceive us here?...do you live within the USA?...a state would be okay to mention?...what we know about you is what you've told us...any person can claim anything without folks personally knowing who they are...please send me an email to verify who you are at...
Your post is fine other then the last sentence...that's accusatory...I have personally been researching investigating this area for several years...I know all involved and trust them...these people are more then contacts...they're friends...
playing devils advocate: MH , if your friends w/ these ladies and have developed some relationship in any sense, then thats grounds for bias in terms of information brought to you by them...i mean..i dont trust anyone..and thats the smartest thing to do in science..
I'm not a scientist...by Monster Hunter
And I have witnessed many times what they claim to have heard, seen and the most important thing...taken pictures of...I make friends with all my contacts dropping by from time to time to check in...I would much rather have folks glad to see me then say..."oh crap"...there's that damn Monster hunter...
I do understand many people believe science plays a roll, though small, in this mythical beast...but I could care less what any scientist thinks of me...how I do my research and investigations...not one has donated one thin dime...everything, like darn near all of us, operate out of our own pockets...
I may be biased towards these folks to some degree but not as far as gathering evidence...good folks who every researcher needs to find and associate with...
to hunt these boogers. I like your attitude. You're not trying to get noticed and attention. How many times were you on TV? I made the news channels 3 or 4 times and numerous newspapers. Not for hunting monsters though. Hell they even called me a hero.
I hunt because I want answers...by Monster Hunter
I've been on TV but have turned down offers...me showing and telling someone behind a camera for free is not what I'm into...pay me the right money so I can hang with the Monsters I'm interested...not interested at all in news papers...these hicker nuts write down what you say and when you finally read what they print they make you out as a lunatic wondering the woods for a creature that doesn't exist...
I've been called a lot of names by folks in this community but I guarantee "hero" didn't come out of their mouths...LOL...and life goes on...
a great sense of humor too. It sounds extremely intersting what you have accomplished. Thanks for all the info. It certainly takes my mind off of me!
Spike TV just announced they are offering 10 million bucks for proof that bf exists. I think they're gonna do a show. It's probably just a promotional gimmick but it's a good incentive for every lunatic to hit the bush armed.
It will risky walking around. Think about hunters that get shot wearing blaze orange. Not a good idea to offer big $$ bucks without rules.
There you go M.K. With your technical expertise, video evidence, first hand interview knowledge, and the research support of the fine people of the G.C.B.R.O., everyone could have a merrier Christmas this year Heck, if nothing else, Spike may provide financial support to purchase the cutting edge equipment that would certainly help in the search for the creatures as well as a promise for a healthy pay day in exchange for the exclusive rights for the proof WHEN it is collected. Just because this research has never paid off doesn't mean it can't. Hey, maybe even MH can get him some new knees!!!
New knees...by Monster Hunter
Tuesday morning...hopefully will be back walking around in a few months without falling...
I'll wait til you heal up and are hitting the brush before I come back down. That way you will experience what the rest of us call "Keeping up with Grumpy" first hand.......
Looking forward to your visit Scott...by Monster Hunter
All the group would enjoy seeing you...
Good for youby Grumpy
Scott, after my bout with radiation and age I'm not what I used to be and never will be again....... Jim will probably out hike me with his new knee's....... He may even be bionic with today's medical advancements!!!!! Getting old sucks....
Does suck large rocks. And I am fighting it for as long as possible.
I can't imagine keeping up with a "radiated" Grumpy would be any easier. Although you might glow a nice green after dark now, making headlamps unnecessary, and making it easier to keep track of where you are!
If the world as we know is still here in Spring........
Good luck with that Jim. It's always scarey getting stuff like that done but anyone I know who did it is happy they did. The good thing too is, it's a long way from the heart!
Thanks T...by Monster Hunter
It is time to have something done...now is that time...
I pray your knee surgery will be successful and your healing time will be short. God bless you.
Thanks Nellie...by Monster Hunter
Hopefully in a few months I'll be able to get around without stumbling and falling down...
What proof is...by Monster Hunter
A corpse and then it could be argued it's not a Bigfoot...No money will change hands...just like any other television network...your work, evidence and knowledge for the carrot dangling in front of the horse...
See the link re: the questioning of BF attacks and see the "background story" on the Ape Canyon attack.
Never in my all years of hearing BF stories have I ever read/heard that YMCA kids used to throw rocks at miner's cabins. Or - have I simply missed every single instance of this story's debunking???
Well I'll just be darn...by Monster Hunter
If it was really scouts even Teddy Roosevelt was fooled in to thinking Monsters were bombarding their camp...I do think the article is close to accurate as far as BF tearing a persons property up...to some BF enthusiasts everything they hear or see they relate to BF...if it were that easy then this mystery would be solved...
A slanted article. I would take the word of people there over some mope(he got paid for writing the article) years later debunking it.Those miners weren't sissies or lazy. The miners would have known the kids were there. City people have little knowledge as to how thing work in the boonies. Only so many people in the area and only so may trails or roads and the same with places to buy food.Thus even without telephones they knew what was going on in the area.
Apes at Ape Canyon...by Monster Hunter
At times I readily throw out the baby in the bath water...I know there are some excellent researchers out in the PNW but there's something about some of those folks who leave a bad taste in my mouth...skookum cast...elbe track line...JG and his casting of Wallace faked carved tracks...etc...
But Versatile makes a good point...if I'm in a wilderness setting I would think I would hear and may possibly see scouts in the area...maybe to make a point the writer of the article fudged a bit by adding the Ape Canyon incident as kids and not Monsters bombarding the shack...
does not make their statement believable.
He says"Wild animals attack cars with food in them" Shows he doesn't now much about animals.
He says boy scouts throwing rocks. Then who tried to knock down the door? Boy Scouts?
No link to back up that it was boy scout. No name of the Boy Scout Camp.No real rebuttal facts just a rebuttal.
There would have been dead little scouts, as the miners shot at the critters. The original story has never changed. The people who have rewritten it for their own purposes have changed facts.
Seems pretty normal now for history to get rewritten for personal gain or attention..
Some folks say and claim anything to get their 15 minutes.
After reading a few of the posts, I saw there are more than a few hunters here.
I thought about this...................what calibar to"shoot bigfoot".
I don't have any desire to kill one, too old and too close to dieing myself to want to do it.
So..........A large calibar for stopping power
my thoughts, minimum calibars...............338 win mag, 350 rem mag, 358 Norma mag, 375 H&H mag, the Weatherby's 340 mag, 378 mag, the family of 416's, Rigby, Ruger, Remington, 45/70 with Bufflao Bore or Garrett loads, and of course 450 Marlin, any 12 guage shotguns with Brenke slugs, or the newer Black Cloud slugs. The 458, 460, and higher I think are too much if there is such a thing.
I would enjoy hearing other opinions.
There are many excellent calibers to hunt a Monster with...by Monster Hunter
But IMO it's the shot more then the caliber...I no longer can handle the big bores so I use my 30.06 with a 150 grain core lock bullet...scramble the brain and the body will die but I would only take a head shot unless of course it's me or him...I also carry my home security 12 guage...bad to the bone at close range which down here more then likely the shot will be up close and personal...couple of slugs with the other five single 0 buckshot...when I use to walk MC at night I carried my 870 shotgun with an extended magazine loaded with number 6...here's why...sure I had my hand gun but in the areas I walked it was thick brush...my intentions...blind the beast and his arse belongs to me...
Me personally I owe these stinking basxxxx for killing my dogs...I couldn't tell you how many dogs I've lost at MC...I do suspicion Monsters were responsible for taking 8 month old pups from their mother...skinning and eating them...now, IMO, that's cold blooded...
Your choices certainly are good ones. I killed allot of elk with a 30/06. I like a short bbl 12 gauge. My first weapon I bought, when I was discharged, was an Ithaca model 37, 18" bbl, 8 shot . Popular years ago, but the Rem 870 is king now. Sorry about your dogs, that would make me angry too.
Remington 870 kicked to hard for me...by Monster Hunter
I use a browning now...several reasons but the main reason...the shells eject from the bottom...not important for a right handed shooter but definitely a good advantage for us lefties...20 inch barrel...holds 7 2/34 high brass...it can handle three inch shells...I can't...
for me. Got a 30.06 I take as well for those long range shots. I'm in the woods 99% of the time so that 12 gauge is my constant companion. OH, and my .357 mag pistol in my back pack as well, JUST IN CASE I have to shoot my buddie in the foot. After all, you don't have to outrun the monster, just your buddie LOL
So far the shotgun is the weapon of choice. I know that is what I unzipped from the case in my tent when I had a midnight intruder. I certainly felt confident with that Ithaca in my hands. I too am too old for the heavy magnums, but it wasn't the case years ago. A 270 grn bullet out of a 375 H7H mag has the same ballistic coefficient as a 180 grn 30/06. I used to hunt the moutains with that heavy rifle. Larger bore, flat shooting, and heavy slug ( 270 / 300 grns), has it in spades over many other calibars. Over a hundred years old and still the choice in Africa and Alaska.
My personal choices,by Grumpy
are my 1895G loaded with Garrett 540gr +P loads and when in really thick brush my tactical 12ga loaded with 3" 600gr Black Magic slugs.. for anything other than monsters I prefer my 30-06 bolt action rifle...
Grumpy I think your projectile in the garrett is too tough for a thin skin animal. It was designed for elephants, cape buffalo, and hippos. You will lose expansion and knock down power as a result. The shot gun slug is a different mater, excellent choice. The lead projectile is much softer.
This bullet is a hard cast lead alloy and Not meant to expand, it was designed to shatter and destroy any bone it comes in contact with.... In my opinion this is the only way to put down large dangerous game quickly and additionally Randy Garrett designed this bullet load combination to put down a grizzly quickly, and IMO these apes fall into the same category, and especially if they are on all fours when shot.
Additionally your question was approved since I knew who you were and figured you just forgot to enter your log in name, please be sure to use it when posting so others know who is posting.
I will try to get better at this.
Yes I see your point. I just thought the bullet projectile would pass through, arm, leg, stomach area. I have some Bufflo Bore Expanding , I buy both and reload too. My thought is that you have a dual purpose pojectile if it expands, you know what I mean. Tear off a limb vs puncing 1/2 inch holes.
Exactly, that's why most I know us the 12ga in thick brush and the larger caliber rifles in more open terrain between 25-100 yards, last hunt it would have been great to see or shoot more than 25 yards in any direction..... monsters just don't stand out in the open waving at us, and if in the open they are likely going quad and moving fast..
it would be on the gun I use for precision shooting, a fully modded and trued Semi automatice sniper system by dpms, i dont believe in "chest" or "center mass" kill shots, because the most ethical way of dispatching an animal of any sort is a brain shot...thaat being said, my bullet wouldnt be for terminal ballistic optimazation @ the center of the animal, I want to power through skull material, my best groups so far are 3/8" @ 100..which is sub MOA all the way out to 900 yards,...ANyways sorry to rant, THE bullet I use is a Laupa FMJ @ 167 grains, hitting w/ around a ton of force @ 100 yards...meaning the solid base and jacket will stay in relatively good shape when hitting skull and pushing through at which point the bullet will fragemnt bone material into brain along w/ the shockwave of the bullet itself and kill whatever giant ape thingy it is..., power is okay for but usually center mass shots create so much shock the animal wont know its missing its liver, half a lung, whatever and run a little, instant down shots usually result in the bullet or bone material hitting the spinal column , and for the you need an incredibly large bullet which would most likely destroy lots of important things inside the immediate area of the cardiovascular system, but then you got to worry about 2nd shots if needed, bolt actions wont do for that sort of thing, ..for instance even if i graze the skull, ive got 19 more rounds of .308 that i stack progressivly w/ things like tsx bullets and partitions so it will eventually stop fast fast fast
..put me in a ring or area w/ one of these things..and i promise i could deliver
I agree to an extent, but monsters don't stand in the open for these shots to take place, the area(s) we hunt are some of the thickest brush and thickets anywhere, both day and night, and small light weight bullets; ie; anything 165gr or under, just don't get there on target after passing through several small trees or branches..... and I have never believed in all that ballistic BS and hydrostatic shock statistics... I'm a firm believer in Big and Slow when it comes to knock down power on Large dangerous animals.
I agree big bullets. And you can have the velocity too. Look at my list. 250 grn and heavier going as fast or faster as a 30/06, which many like, but BIG slugs. Still me sitting here talking isn't the same as out there doing.
I do have a Belgium made FN FAL. The scope is the one the military used in viet nam. It has the metal cam ring auto bullet compensator, for distance adjustment. I paid $900 just for the scope, with the base, in the '70s.
Brush hunting is tough...by Monster Hunter
Some areas you can't see twenty five yards during the day let alone at night...yeah there are some open areas but Monsters seem to travel hugging the brushy spots...I use a 12 gauge but many like the 45/70...darn sure a get off of me rifle that can penetrate whatever is in its way...
But the idea placement of a shot would be to the head IMO...scramble the brain...
Ballastics Gell testby Grumpy
Don't even begin to show what happens when a smaller caliber lighter weight bullet hits heavy bone structure, most break apart and don't shatter/destroy heavy bone which IMO is what is needed to bring down LDG. Granted they do damage and cause massive internal bleeding but that does not stop LDG before they possibly close the distance and get their revenge before their brain finally tells the body they are dead. I spent 15 years as a licensed Gun Repairman with my own shop and don't put much faith into printed material which normally depicts what the author/manufacturer wants it to.
I do agree with that statement, the only solution to killing one w/ one shot is cavitation of skull and brain, or massive MASSIVE liquifaction of the center mass cardiovasular system (with hopes of a spinal column impact area), i just disagree w/ the implied theory that a small bullet (under 180, FMJ)@ > 2500fps will not properly compromise the skull and launch bone and lead into the brain cavity...beacuse im almost entirely certain it would ...i mean my bullets punch 1/4" steel plate like swiss cheese..and hell w/ the mosin nagant I have , firing a 180gr steel core...i mean..thats AP , even a deflection...your still dumping over 60% of the energy of the bullet onto an area the size of a basketball..something like..i dunno 1400 ft/lbs of force? thats like getting hit by a car right in your head
And again I fully agree that if you are lucky enough to miss all the brush and limbs and indeed get to the point of aim the job will be done... I just don't want to rely on luck with all the variables present when hunting LDG...... I think everyone here agrees that a head shot if possible is the way to go.
the proper projectile ( bullet) that is needed. I am in the big bore camp. I modified my Marlin loading gate to use Garretts' 310 grn hard cast in my .44 mag.. Of course my Marlin Guide gun in 45/70 is my go to hog rifle.
You need to match the bullet to the game. Deer hunting is less demanding of a bullet than elk or moose. Trophy Bonded, Swift A Frame, Nosler Partition, Barnes solid copper, and the "inter-lock's of factory loads) do NOT fail. Just a fact. I would not think a big foot anatomy is denser than a elk, and certainly not as broad and thick as a grizzly bear.
I used to use a 375 H&H mag but switched to my Browning 30/06 when I witness how effective the smaller calibars were with the proper bullet.
Regardless what you carry, what you shoot, you need "expensive " bullets that will hold up. The final word although is accuracy. I am used to my 45/70 but my wife shoots a Ruger mannlicher in .308, because she is more accurate with the scoped bolt action. YOU HAVE TO HIT YOUR TARGET. Too many hunters I saw didn't. I stopped going in groups unless I knew the men were good shooters and woodsman.
Grumpy, I guess the correct description would be you were a "gunsmith" for 15 years?
I agree with bullet placement, and can't understand how on these TV shows almost every deer shot needs to be tracked to be found... maybe I have just been lucky but every deer I have shot with a 30-06 using 150-165 grain bullets have dropped where they stood. And as far as Gunsmithing I am and always will be old school... A Gunsmith to me is someone who has the ability to take a block of steel and make whatever he/she wants like in times past, all others are gun repairman since they just repair or modify an existing firearm.. granted they may use vertical mills, lathes and other equipment for these repairs but do not create a complete firearm from scratch, this to me is a Gunsmith.
well if your talking about something > .311 then your wanting HP, JHP, Partition, Polymertip, but preferablly the new TSX bullets from Barnes, as they have DEEP penetration yet flower petal after they slow down a bit upon entering the chest cavity past the rib cage, sternum...whatnot. problem w/ a slow moving round is that by the time it passes ribcage its dumped so much of its energy within the first 4" of the object that proper liquifaction of internal organs is nearly impossible unless your up really really close because the shockwave wont have enough force to rip up membranes, connective tissue and rupture a wide area of vascular tissue. thats why im in the camp of not "small" but smaller and faster even in brush or at distance or even a chest shot because the shockwave will absolutly liquify the internal organs inside the chest cavity past the ribcage, instead of it being like a hammer to the heart it would be more like a small explosive inside the entire chest of the animal, preferablly if i were contracted to hunt on of these guys, id use a .338 lapua magnum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.338_Lapua_Magnum ) w/ a 225gr barnes T-DPX, moving at around 3000fps muzzle and lord..(calculating) 4500 ft/lbs(est) @ 100yards
. I should clarify I study the art and science of ballistics both in a terminal( biological/medical sense) and the physics of projectiles. Brush is sometimes a problem w/ smaller rounds, but even larger bullets because they are already moving slow and have so much force against them after leaving the barrel (air pressure, aerodynamics,) that any loss in momentum really is a hinderace in their terminal performance. Of course they might pass through small limbs, but their trajectory will change even w/ the slightest outside factor just as any bullet will because their mass is usually so small when they are hanging out there in the elements on their way to the target.
Many pages down on your website, you guys mention that you are pro-kill and want to harvest a body to prove BFs existence, so why the change in attitude?? Why not take one from MS Francis' site if there are so many there?
I'm sure with enough people and firepower you should be able to harvest a body without a problem. All you give us now are stories and blurry photos.
Our hunts are kept confidential...by Monster Hunter
We haven't changed our pro-kill stance for discovery...we just don't advertise what we do as an organization as far as our hunts are concerned...perhaps we need someone like yourself that apparently has a well thought out plan for harvest...
to quote you...
"I'm sure with enough people and firepower you should be able to harvest a body without a problem."
Which tells me you have no idea about hunting these Monsters...easy to say...more then difficult to do...
BTW...If the stories and "blurry" photos bother you it is IMO that probably you shouldn't look or read our forum...our intentions are to share and not manipulate your thoughts where you feel as if you have to post negative comments...always remember...we don't owe you or anyone else one damn thing...we share to inform and educate...either your learning curve is lacking or you have all the answers...either way...I could care less...
A photo just for you Doug...by Monster Hunter
Taken by Ms. Shirley at her home with a cell phone...she said she heard something...smelled an awful stench and took this picture of what appears to be a Monster...
Thanks for the picture Miss Shirley and MH. That is one big joker. We've had this same conversation about harvesting one from the ladies living area and it is simple for us to say let's take one of the many that seem to frequent their land but as you so rightly pointed out the ramifications for the ladies could be terrible. We don't know what retribution the remaining monsters would carry out on Miss Francis and Miss Shirley for harming one of their clan.
I do agree...by Monster Hunter
That's truly a huge Monster...
thats a big boy!
I'm curious Mr. Murdoch, are you a hunter?
Most who post wisecracks Big D...by Monster Hunter
Usually have no idea of hunting common known critters let alone hunting Monsters...I've never had any problems hunting any animals other then Monsters...easy to track, find bedding and food areas but this beast is another subject all together...
No wisecrack comment at all, just some honest questions. You seem to judge people before you get all the facts MH. I'm a longtime hunter and ex-military.
Where there's a will, there is a way the old saying goes. Why the verbal abuse from you when you don't agree with someone? I never came out verbal abusing anyone, just asked some simple questions.
Maybe I misinterpreted your post...by Monster Hunter
"All you give us now are stories and blurry photos"
But I don't think I did...
BTW...I've been doing this for years and know from experience many claim something they're not...as far as judging you...I can only judge you by your post...
I can only imagine the experiences you must have had over the years hunting these creatures. I was asking if he had any experience as a hunter to get a sense of where his seemingly obvious disgust for this particular set of posts was coming from. I have been involved in this type of research for just a short time now, and though I have only participated in actual field excursions just a few times, I have done it enough to know that it is a bit different from stalking any other type of quarry I have ever set out after. I think to assume that your group can simply go out and bag a creature as historically elusive as this creature has been is just silly, and not to mention it is not as simple as just killing the creature should it appear. There are all sorts of laws, both criminal as well as wildlife related, that must be taken into consideration. One must also consider the wishes of the land owner. Maybe the lady where you have been doing the research does not want the animal(s) harmed. Maybe she simply wants to learn more about the creatures and wants you and your group to assist her in the learning. I don't know all of the facts, I just know that this is a forum that deals with a very controversial topic. It is also one that gives both believers and non-believers the opportunity to make their case for others to consider. I just hate to see a situation where someone APPEARS to be intolerant of another's beliefs or experiences. That is exactly how the War of Northern Aggression began
Yes, I've been a hunter since I was 14 years old and ex-military for 28 years, so I know what I'm talking about. Is this question to get more wise-crack answers?
Absolutely not Murdoch...by Monster Hunter
I'm a Viet Nam vet...combat...grew up in the East Texas bottoms of the Sabine river hunting both day and night and fished every hole of water we could put a hook in...so I'm really not impressed with your credentials as far as Monster hunting is concerned...you may be an outstanding hunter for common big game animals...I have no idea if you are or not...but many have been with me Monster hunting...
"so I know what I'm talking about."...
I don't think you know what you are talking about when it comes to Monster hunting...I agree to disagree...
It is my opinion that it is impossible to "sneak" up on a monster. I don't know what their 6th sense might be, but you only see one when it wants you to see them.
Monster Hunter, It did cross my mind when you posted that pic, it might be a chance to "waste" one booger but I know you have more issues intervening. I think cameras at her house is the way to go. You can collect allot of data for future research watching this area. Keep the info coming, I can't wait to find out more!
and you can sneak up on them, you just have to get off a 4wheeler to do it.
they don't like it one bit when you get within 100 yards of them and them not know it. 2 times I have done it, they didn't even look back as they ran for heavy cover.
better yet, catch them in the middle of a pond.
What were the circumstances, more info please
enquiring minds want to know
supernatural or anything.
you roam around the woods enough where you have an active group and you will stumble unto them one way or another. I've done it, my son has done it and I know a helluva lot of people who have told me they their own experiences.
in some areas I guarantee you that they aren't use to people walking in the woods.
there are enough people on the board that know me well enough to vouch.
I have a four camera video system there...by Monster Hunter
So far nothing of real importance has been captured... I guess I need to add more cameras or hide some game cameras...problem with game cameras I'm not really able to walk into the areas I need to go in at this time...hopefully after the first of the year...
I think this is very interesting to say the least. Imagine having an area to investigate that has so many critters. I come to visit this site everyday hoping to gain more knowledge. Just knowing Monster Hunter has an oppurtunity to see the activity going on has me on the edge of my chair. If I was younger you couldn't keep me away.
LOL...at times it is exciting...by Monster Hunter
But like most areas it can be boring...a real sensitive person would more then likely have problems down there...to many different things going on at times...I go down as often as I can...use to go every week but since the knees no longer want to cooperate I make it every two weeks...it's about a two hour drive depending on how fast I drive so I burn about four hours every time going down...
You would have a good time there...good people, Monsters, a black eyed something and ghosts...It is fun to walk around in areas of activity knowing there is a possibility the Monsters are following you around...maybe snapping a stick or breaking a limb or tree...
"they wuz well organized!" Of course, I have absolutely NO proof! I've never actually seen a monster up close but I went hunting with my father and first hubby, where I shot at birds. I was in the forests enough in past years to know that a monster might have been six feet away from me and I would not have known it. I've seen one tall shadow in a wooded area near Conroe, looked at a "something" move some bushes on private land near Conroe and watched something tall and odd cross Hwy 59N early one morning. BUT I don't claim any proof of those sightings being a BF other than the odd feeling I experienced afterward. So...thinking these animals are organized and very proficient in the woods is based on both my 'feelings' and on the experts, whose posts and photos I've enjoyed over the years. AND, oh, yeah--also on the campfire stories I was privileged to hear first hand.
That's 28 years ago ( "I've been ex-military for 28 years" ). I don't see how that has any bearing on your ability to hunt, slip around the woods, track, etc., especially since it was so long ago. I've been out for 24 years, but I already knew how to do all that prior to being trained by the military. The two have nothing in common.
Not at all Mr. Murdoch. First off, thank you for your service to our Country. The fact that you served in the military alone gives you credit and earns respect from me. I simply wondered if you were a hunter to try to realize what type of background you have where hunting is concerned. I have been an avid hunter for 35 years. I've seen almost every type of game animal there is to see in the south, but I can't imagine what it must be like to see one of these creatures. I have heard them in very close proximity to me, to the point where I had my hand on my gun and was ready to shoot . . . what exactly I was not sure . . . but I was ready to shoot something. It was worse than any buck fever you could ever imagine. I just think that there is way more to collecting one of these creatures than just putting one in your sights and pulling a trigger. And if you are the hunter that you claim to be, and I have no reason to doubt that you are, I'm sure you understand this.
Consider your hand shook and me saying, "Thanks" IF I've never given you a big hug MH for Viet Nam, I will the next time I see you. God bless!
Doug, the reason we have not killed one of the animals at Ms. Francis house after she said she doesn't want them hurt is because we are not poachers. You must have mistaken us for some other group. Why don't you just go find your own monster somewhere else and shoot one and show us the carcass and then we will acknowledge you are right. They are not like anything you have ever hunted. If you have never seen one just leave it that way. Quite a few people who did finally see them sincerely wish they never had, so that they could still have the comfort of doubting there really are monsters.
Seeing is knowing, and knowing can be a nightmare and instead of answering questions, just sparking more.
Photographer snaps possible Texas Bigfoot:
video KLTV, Longview, TX
I know little about the Dallas area but...by Monster Hunter
I have heard many tales of Monsters in Shelby County...the video, my interpretation...there's something there...but I couldn't definitely say what it is...
Thanks for sending this our way...
My thought is that, almost always, while the picture may be fuzzy......what someone sees with his/her eyes, in "3-D" (two eyes to help create depth - as opposed to a 2-D picture/video) is much clearer.
The photographer sounds legit. The pic/video seems legit (though not conclusive).
I think this may be a legit sighting where the person clearly saw the creater with a pair of eyes, and the picture/vid cannot provide enough clarity, detail, definition, proper contrast/light/color.
My .02 cents.
Watching his Sierra.Nevada show where.he said he had a strange.encounter n didnt realize he was in willow creek. He just said thats where he was
Interesting...n/tby Monster Hunter
we doing that again here? somewheres ? anyone?
Weve got to get the house sold n in a new one. Almost.finished repairs. I sanded the hardwood floors last nught n all iack in new carpet n a couple touchups n its ready. May try to habe a get.togethef after deer seadon is over with. Give em a chance to get back to their non hunting season habits. Maybe march or april.
I am up for a good outting if anyone is putting something toghter here in MS.
It's bow season already anyhow here in Miss. Sometime this spring, I'll host something in an active area where we can go sit out. My wife and I love camping and I'll pick an area with water and power hookups where we can atleast be comfortable
on Facebook to see if he could get some interest in having some kind of regular get together here in MS.
Here's the link:
Or, anyone interested can just page him here or email him, lol.
and at one point a couple times a year. We both got busy and missed a year or two
I have previously stated that my observations have led me to believe that a female and a few juveniles stay in the area I call the first clearing while a small group of males stay in an area across the creek.
I will point out some things that suggest this notion. I also welcome any ideas or thoughts that develop or elaborate on this discussion even if it negates ideas I put forth.
I went back to the area in September. The reason I went during that specific time frame is because of a picture I took on June 25th 2011 and because of a comment made by a retired forest ranger in an interview about BF.
The picture I took may have a female with a newborn. If the picture does show that then we can extrapolate impregnation around September/October assuming a gestation period of about 8-9 months (Gorillas 8.5 months, chimpanzees 8 months approximately). The retired US Forest Ranger made a comment to the effect that the US Forest Service knew about the existence of bigfoot and actually knew quite a bit about them. He further stated that they rut in September/October.
Rutting in September/October would make sense from a survival standpoint since the female would be carrying throughout the coldest winter months and giving birth sometime in late May early June.
The picture I took on June 25th 2011 is one I have already posted and I do not want to beat that picture to death. However, some of the things in the picture simply do not make sense so I am going to repost and point out some but not all of the anomalies.
This is the picture:
I am going to sound crazy but I am putting forth the idea that the picture indicates two babies clinging to the female. There is a possibility that there is a newborn in the front and another possibly clinging to the back. A baby clinging to the back is not uncommon and happens frequently with various apes as this picture indicates:
Zooming in on the picture I took on June 25th 2011 indicates some things that may indicate something clinging to the back of the female.
This picture shows facial orientation and possible baby in the front. It also shows the anomaly just over the shoulder and another anomaly on the head (which I am suggesting is a hand):
This is the blowup wth no mark up:
The reason I point out these anomalies is because of the fence. In September I found a fence in the first clearing I previously did not know was there. There is fencing crisscrossing the whole area on both sides of the creek. In some instances where I believe theses things traffic through the metal fence post has been bent in half and in other areas the barb wire strands have just been ripped out:
The fence had two sticks holding the fence down. However, the fence did not need to be held down for anything other than something child-sized. In fact, I could have straddled the fence even at full height:
On June 30th 2012 I made a trip to this area.All of the wood knocking, metal knocking and rock clacking I have put on this forum came from this area.
On the way back out on June 30th I saw a shadow by a bush and before I could blink it shot back into the bushes. I moved around trying to get position around the bush to see if I could get position and perhaps see it hiding. As I moved around I began to hear screams coming from the area. I believe the screams to be from the female which does not sound like the vocalizations I have heard from across the creek. I also believe it was screaming because I was moving around where one of the older juveniles was hiding:
One of the things that has had me puzzled about the encounter on June 25th 2011 is that I have not been able to figure out how these things could have crossed the creek without me hearing them. I waded acrss the creek and the water was waist high and well over 20 feet with high banks on both sides at the smallest crossing area. I now believe that they did not cross and that there were two groups, one on each side of the creek.
When my two sons and I crossed the creek to the tree formations we had a chorus of vocalizations that sounded very close to the vocalization I recorded the following year on June 30th 2012 except it was closer, louder and there were three or more instead of one. This is the picture on June 25th 2011:
and the vocalization I recorded on June 30th 2012:
Again, I have only heard this on the other side of the creek.
Excellent and with pictures...by Monster Hunter
Something to remember...most are picture blind...if the subject is not standing in a wide open mowed field quite a few will not see what you are talking about...most hunters, good hunters, will see some items presented...may not be what you see but their interpretation of the pictures will be similar...
BTW...I had an area where the females remained across the creek in a cut over away from the male Monsters...to get to one of the food plots there were two logs...one west and one south they crossed to get to the plot...tracked them many times...at times when I would go in to feed I would hear them announcing my presence...pretty damn neat...that area is now a large pipe line...
Just as an aside I wanted to see if She-Wolf was correct and the female did go off with the male. The results were inconclusive but I do think the metal knocks gave away the position on the hill and that had not happened before. (Meaning I do not think the female was in the first clearing when I was there in September. I believe if anything was there it was the juveniles.
I also was looking for additional sign that might indicate maybe an alpha was fighting for the female and I did find something strange that I will put here. Just as some background this area has only had a trace of rain from June until the end of September. The place is in a major drought.
This is the picture I took on June 30th 2012 the tree is outlined in red:
This is a close up of the same tree. The breakage was fresh:
The top of the tree was nowhere to be found. However there were these strange gouges on a couple of the trees
Obviously the tree didn't break itself
I guess it could be weather related...by Monster Hunter
we've had some strong winds here but what I find is the tree usually breaks at a knot in the tree...it appears yours didn't...personally I don't think the female goes off with the male...I think when the alpha male is in town the younger males leave the area...
It may very well be weather related but the top of that tree would be somewhere close by and I couldn't find it. The tree was there in June and gone in September with no rain except a trace in almost 2 months. I also didn't see any other damage other than what was noted.
I have found a couple of other instances of large tree damage and it just doesn't make sense to explain some of it as weather related IMHO...
The picture below is the broken trunk end of a tree that was placed into this dead tree. Please note the lack of trees close enough in the background...Both of us couldn't have lifted that thing into position.
If something is doing these things I am actually pretty fearful to come across it and it would definitely fit the definition of "monster".
Personally I haven't seen or noticed any large limbs...by Monster Hunter
stuck up higher in a larger tree...but somewhere in Canada there are some old trees that are stuck in the ground upside down...so IMO I do think this is possible...take a big Monster to do it but possible...
Just thinking...how big would a Monster have to be to do this?...and where could it possibly go to not be seen?...I have a hard time believing a creature 7 to 9 ft. tall and weighing approximately 500 pounds and up could successfully stay hidden without some hunter, hiker or camper not seeing them...not just your place of interest but any where...I can understand a skeptics view...no body, no bones, no accurate DNA just eye witness and pictures for proof...eye witnesses can easily be fooled especially those with BF on the brain...most pictures can be hoaxed...but I do know and trust those I'm closely associated with...they've seen Monsters more then several times and know the difference in a Monster and a bear...
Thanks again for sharing...
OK has changed sine I was there last......see what happens when you let Don run around nekked in them woods!
If that's what you get for being on a TV series...by Monster Hunter
I'll pass...that's sickening to look at...
And on soooo many different levels,,lol.
...like from the ground level up!
I got. Supper cooking n now i canr eat.ewwww . Is that Craig laying on Matts tummy? Lmbo
From what I am seeing, they may try to recruit you,,lol.
Rictor Riolo. He has done a lot of artwork for some of the Facebook Bigfoot group "Team Tazer Bigfoot", and he hosts a radio show with Sharon Lee called the Bigfoot Field Reporter, which she used to do solo until hooking up with him (not literally, because, if you haven't guessed by the picture that Timberghost posted, Rictor isn't really attracted to girls, women, or females of any kind). He creates a new work of art as a poster ad for the upcoming "BF Field Report" radio show every week, with a drawing of himself, Sharon, and whoever will be on the show, usually in a comic book style, such as the drawing above, but in color.
Montana Man Killed During Bigfoot HoaxKatie KindelanAugust 28, 2012A Montana man dressed in a Bigfoot costume in an apparent attempt to provoke reports of sightings of the mythical creature was killed when he was struck by two cars on a highway.Randy Lee Tenley, 44, of Kalispell, in Northwest Montana, was standing in the right-hand lane of U.S. Highway 93 Sunday night when he was struck by a car, the Montana Highway Patrol said. A second car then hit him again as he lay in the road, authorities said.READ MORE: Bigfoot or Big Joke: You Decide"He had this Ghillie suit and was going to attempt to get the attention of passing motorist and, through I don't know what means, make them feel like they saw Bigfoot or sasquatch," Montana Highway Patrol Officer Jim Schneider told ABC affiliate KTMF.Schneider told the local newspaper the Daily Inter Lake that authorities determined Tenley's motive, posing as Bigfoot, after interviewing the man's friends. Alcohol "may have been a factor," in the incident, according to Schneider.READ MORE: Bigfoot Spotted in Idaho?The military-style "Ghillie" suit worn by Tenley was a full-body suit made of strips of camouflage fabric, making it difficult for drivers to spot him. The suit is typically used by military members to camouflage snipers in combat.The two vehicles that struck Tenley were driven by teenage girls, one age 15 and one age 17, police said.Bigfoot and Sasquatch are names given to mysterious, mythical ape-like creatures that some people believe inhabit forests. The theory is largely discounted by scientists but the legend has persisted, even giving rise to its own TV show, "Finding Bigfoot," on the Animal Planet.In May, a group of high school students said they may have came come close to Bigfoot during a class project in the Idaho wilderness. A 38-second YouTube video shot in April in the Grand River area of Northeast Ohio claims to show a large, dark and hairy creature running across a path in the woods that many have proposed could be Bigfoot.The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Hard to believe then maybe not...by Monster Hunter
it seems people get crazier every day...
This is a good read concerning minimum viable population over various time frames. It has direct implications for a location, for example, like Ms Francis has where high numbers of monsters inhabit an area.
It gives an idea about the minimum numbers needed to populate and sustain an area.
This paragraph sums it up IMO...by Monster Hunter
"Conservation practitioners are commonly faced with a lack of resources, limited scientific knowledge on the system under management, and sometimes operate within a hostile socio-political environment. Oftentimes biologists require general MVP targets for species conservation but do not have the time, skills or resources to run viability analyses. MVP targets are used to allocate scarce resources toward the maintenance of populations, and for the derivation of minimum species habitat requirements, which may then be used as a demographic and genetic justification for reserve design or preservation, and the possible creation of corridors or trans-boundary national parks. The recommendations that biologists make, based on broad MVP targets, are usually serious, with legal and financial consequences. Where data and resources are scarce, MVP ranges may be cautiously used"
The MVP is nothing more then a wild axxed estimate...there is not any way we could use anything more or less then the MVP since we know little to nothing about the subject we search for...theory, what little evidence we have gathered that has been submitted may or may not be accurate...therefore all we have is a wild axxed guess with a bit of evidence, just enough, to validate some of our theories...
MY theory...hunt them long enough and you'll discover after twenty years...you know little and what you think you knew can and more then likely will be changed over night...Think about this...what known animal on earth, something many of us have personally seen, can we not successfully hunt?...I can only think of one...
I was just looking at it from a slightly different perspective.
If There were confirmed visuals (pictures) of monsters and the physical evidence shows multiple deformity (multiple three toed tracks, the crippled one you have pictures of, the one that you described as looking like downs syndrom,and or the one with the long neck, for example)
it might point to a smaller population (If the estimates in the reading are reliable) of well under 50 in the area and 6 or less breeding pairs with inbreeding possibly causing the deformities.
Something else that plays into this is the time frame. If the area has a history of sightings going back 4 or more decades with little or no evidence of deformity it may have a higher population of 100 or more through-out a given region.
I was trying to think through how we could look at the little evidence we get and possibly make minimum population size estimates of a given area.
Just something to give some thought to.
will sombody explain all this to me the viable population?? ok its above my head lol !!!
A minimum viable population (MVP) size is an estimate of the number of individuals ( in this case monsters) required for a high probability of survival of a population over a given period of time.
Time periods are typically limited due to species type (which is unknown in this case), but it is usually 20, 50, 100 and 100+ years
Things that may limit a population of animals(of whatever species) include:
natural catastrophes (tornadoes, blizzards, earthquakes volcanoes, floods, fire drought etc.) that may decrease a population of animals
Effects to the environment (building, farming etc)
Other factors (natural fluctuations caused by natural survival rates, and population density (too many animals on a given piece of land)
All factors (usually but sometimes by themselves to) work together to impact survival or extinction of a species.
Sometimes studies have shown the persistence of (sometimes small) populations over periods of 50, 75 and 100 years
There is a rule (of thumb)of 50/ 500 meaning that a minimum of 50 animals must be present with a minimum of 6 breeding pairs to allow a species to survive in the short term.
There is a rule (of thumb) of 500 animals needed for survival of 100 years or more in order to have enough genetic variation to survive and thrive in the long term.
However, Monster Hunter is correct in saying that there is not enough information:
"There are no robust rules of thumb for estimating MVP sizes for species lacking population models or other detailed information on their demography or changes in abundance over time;"
In other words for an unknown species... no one has solid answers about population rates and or size.