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Keep the Monster Hunter in your thoughts and prayers today. He's going through double knee replacement right now so let's wish him success and a speedy recovery. It'll be sweet to hit the woods with him again once he's back up and running....
Monster Hunterby Grumpy
Yes he is and we all hope everything went well, I have thought about him several times today and am sure he'll be out hiking with new bionic knees real soon.
he'll need all the canes he can handle for a while.
we should have purchased him a bell so he can ring it when he needs anything. I'm certain his family would appreciate it... Knowing Jim he has already thought of this....lol.......
Know a woman who had both knees replaced 17 years ago...said she would do it all again if she had to.
Steve Austin got started.......The Bionic Monster Hunter in the making.
He will have to give the monsters a head start now......
I'll be praying for you my friend.
(You know what I mean)
Get well soon!!
Our last visit showed me how bad his knees were, and he was looking forward to the surgery! God's speed to my friend and a quick recovery!
Godspeed in your recovery my friend! Will send up some prayers for you.
Praying for you brother!
I hope Jim's surgery went smoothly and his recovery will be quick.
Get Well Soon.I sure hope this does the trick for you(getting your knees in good shape).
they inserted one of those little exploratory medical cameras before the operation and the photos came out blurry!
Speedy recovery and good luck from Canada!
Our prayers are with him!
maybe this'll hook the olde boy up
Monster Hunter's awake and alive....by Grumpy
Got an email from him around 0317hrs this morning, he was having trouble sleeping and was drinking coffee... guess he needed a caffeine boost before walking to the store for smokes.....LOL Take care old friend and don't do to much to soon!!!!
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he is doing good. His spirits are good, his CRS is a little worse with the drugs in his system tho. LOL
Ken that was really nice of you to blame it on the drugs....... LOL We all know better.
Double knees. Wow! You are in my prayers. Take care. I knew a guy that got doubles at age 75 and he was thrilled as to how his life changed.
I wonder if they cut that chord while they had him in surgery?
You know, the one that runs from his a$$hole to his eyeballs that gave him such a $hitty outlook on life?
I wonder?by Grumpy
Doctors are not allowed to use cable cutters in OR, they are to hard to sterilize with all the lubricant need to operate smoothly......
I wonder?by Grumpy
We are safe Timber, it will be weeks before he can chase us........ LOL We just better not close our eye's or fall asleep the next time we get together in the woods......
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about the pain this morning to his doctor. The doc said, I gave you pain medicine, have you been following the label? Jim said yes, it says keep tightly closed!
He only used it one time too, the second time it said "Do not use if seal is broken" so he threw them away,,lol.
funny, I don't care who ya are!
are coming your way. You are SO gonna love your two brand-new knees. There will be some post-op pain and some rehab but then, BF watch out the Monster Hunter will be back on the trail...
Happy Halloween MH and everyone aboard the MB! Pretty soon MH will be stalking and chasing those pesky monsters like he's never done before! Get well soon MH!
Weneed you out there hunting theb\big furries.
Have you ever found something looking for something else...by Monster Hunter
Found some old pictures I took before MC was turned into an oil patch...hard to believe the changes...Sadea was a young pup, I could still get around and Jake was a young whipper snapper...amazing how time flies...
Jim, please send me an email, I need to ask you a couple of things , not sure where I placed ur email addy, so much junk around here it's embarrassing.
email@example.com Monster Hunter
in them. I wonder how long they have been hanging out at MC before you discovered them?
Video...MK Davis...by Monster Hunter
the problems w/ sub par video recording devices!!! infuriating to me...poor MK trying to turn **** into a sandwich with the footage collections of his, I mean he is without a doubt one of the best analysis guys and video editing/clarifying folks around but geez...i just wish i could get within 100 yards of a rascal sasquatch w/ my rig.
Trail...by Monster Hunter
This picture was taken a while back...this trail leads from the pond behind Ms. Shirley's home to the old cabin at Ms. Francis home...and no...if these ladies visited they more then likely would drive or walk the road...never would they walk through the pine thicket, not in the picture, back and forth...
the ladies would be afraid to walk that even on a nice sunny day like the type of day in the picture? If this trail is highly used do you have a camera set up nearby aimed at it?
Yes I had several game cams stationed on and around...by Monster Hunter
plus many other trails...they quit using them and started walking in the pine thickets where there are many trails...I had a game cam stationed at a trail they walked coming out of some pines into the back of Ms. Francis property...something leaned a stick up against the camera...put game cameras all through the thickets and around the home...some success but for the work and time involved every picture from a game cam that has a Monster I have probably 150 hours labor involved...so the way I figure it...gas to get back and forth plus 20 bucks an hour for labor plus 6 game cams the pictures cost me about 5200 dollars over a two year period...plus another 16 to 1700 hundred for the video system...and hundreds of hours watching recorded video...damn...I kind of wish you hadn't asked...I really hadn't thought about expense until you brought it up...LOL...
Instead of eating a bologna sandwich I could have been eating steak...
And I just saw an awesome new Harley that for just a wee bit more could have been purchased for that price...almost! Gets expensive. I haven't tallied up what I spend on the hobby but I'll bet it is more than I initially think!
If you ever get a really great shot of a monster with one of your cameras I'll buy you a big juicy steak dinner!
superhighway right there
They were like that throughout the property until...by Monster Hunter
I started hanging game cameras and the video system...
are watching you setting up the cameras?
I was wondering what it might be that tips them off. Allot of hard work just to get a couple of picks. Monster Hunter you are a determined man, wish I could be there helping you. Good luck!
it sounds pretty bad for the folks up north...thank goodness it missed Florida. We sure have had many days of windy weather because of it. I hope people heed warnings and take care.
Btw...I wonder if we'll hear of more Bigfoot reports afterward. Monsters on the run!
Hurricane's...by Monster Hunter
I've talked to a few men who toughed it out during hurricane's in South East Texas...they said never again...they told me they thought they were going to die...relentless rain and wind for 24 hours...
Looks like the Mother of all Hurricanes. It could make the aftermath of Katrina look like a practice mission. They expect it to hit a cold front and have all H3ll break loose.
There is a lot to be said for having a survival bag with food and water. Everyone thinks you are nuts, until this happens and they want what you stored up.
into the hunt camp for a ten day deer hunt. We can only get there by trail and then by boat. The storm will just be angry rain and wind by the time it gets here but it still means a whole day in a rain suit and trying to keep equipment dry. I'm not complaining though. It's a heck of a better circumstance than those folks on the coast have to endure. Wishing them the best!
Good luck with your hunt T.....by Monster Hunter
I along with many pray for the folks in harms way of the hurricane...
Hope to hear a good report on your knee surgery when I get back.
No more sniping at us...by Monster Hunter
I hope you don't think you're that damn smart that I don't know what you're attempting to do...no more or I'll ban your axx...and you know exactly who you are...I've had enough...
3296 Old Benton Rd. Benton Ms. 39039
Im sure J Mike?..by Monster Hunter
Will mail them ASAP...you should have them by the end of the week...
MK Davis...Monsters Junk?...by Monster Hunter
Is the interview he did with Gimlin a few years back. How about it MK?
Mk didn't video the Gimlin interview but...by Monster Hunter
He did video Al Hodgson and took miles of video of scenery of his trips to the PNW...last I heard he loaned it to J Mike several years back and he hasn't received it back yet...
What!!!! Sounds like J better get a box in the mail soon to MK so he can repost what Michael asked to see....
So THAT's who it is.. MK told me someone had his stuff and ignored him when he asked for it back...He didn't say who at the time. That's been SEVERAL years ago.
What about it JMichael? Wanna give MK his stuff back?
I just spoke with MK...He headed down to J Mike's...by Monster Hunter
To get his belongings...after getting about half way there J Mike called and told him not to come...MK also told me he has emailed J Mike many times and all he gets is a pissy axx auto response...apparently J Mike ain't giving MK his belongings back...and I always thought they were good friends...ain't that a hell of a note when a friend turns you around?...
I've known MK a long time and that doesn't sound good, I wonder why "J" isn't returning his video's???? Telling him not to come to get them sounds like he no longer has them for whatever reason.....
Maybe he did lose them but...by Monster Hunter
At least call the man or email him if you did...everyone makes mistakes, misplaces or loses something of importance but man up and tell the man...hopefully J Mike locates MK's belongings and returns them...
I hope your right Jim and they turn up, MK has put a lot of time, work and effort into all those video(s) and shared most for all of us to enjoy....
MK has traveled thousands of miles...by Monster Hunter
to get that video...it's his not J Mikes...I find it baffling that a man will not correspond with a man but yet then again I find it even more baffling for keeping another mans work...what's up with that?...
Maybe J Mike will chime in on the thread...by Monster Hunter
It would be interesting to know why he hasn't returned MKs videos...always two sides to every story...
Yes I do have some of MK's older mini-dv discs. I have not received any request for them in years. He did want to come get them once but I was going to be out and I asked him not to come because I wouldn't be here. The tapes were in a box in the back of a closet where i had put them up. I got them out after he had asked about them. I didn't hear back from him after that.
MK is on my facebook and here, there is ample ways he can get in touch with me. Send me an address and I'll ship the tapes.
I'm not holding anything from him, though at the time the tapes were not loaned to me, they were given to me because MK said he was "getting out of the bigfoot thing". He is welcome to them back, I have no need for them.
Atta boy J MikE...by Monster Hunter
I knew you were a man of your word and a stand up kind of guy...
The man spends THOUSANDS to get that stuff, travels thousands of miles, puts in countless hours, loans it to a man that's supposed to be a friend and can't get it back?
Where I come from that's not good at all if you wanna remain friends...
Why in the heck would someone do something like that?
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Worked for me Timber...by Monster Hunter
Maybe you got a haint in your computer...I hear they're going around...
Maybe the monsters are prancing with his connection.
Dad gum autocorrect!
too much beer!
I had to reconnect our laptop to the internet today and trouble-shoot the problem until I restored connectivity. Ole Silver Fox is not (bless his heart) as agile on the computer as I am and he may have pressed the wrong button or so he said. I was ready to blame it on the weather...so haints may be behind it. That's as good an explanation as any.
it's no wonder he throws his leg way up over the barb wire fence.
LMAO...so you know why...by Monster Hunter
Must have the same problem Barry...LOL
First walk sequence...MK Davis...by Monster Hunter
Did anyone watch the video?...by Monster Hunter
I find it interesting that the first sequence of filming Patty makes it to the tree line...
i was blown away when i saw this a couple weeks ago, AMAZING footage and stabilization...it was like watching a whole new PG film imo. wonderful stuff ole' MK does.
I think he should approach one of the major networks with his footage. YouTube is just not the media outlet for such compelling evidence. The clips could easily be marketed as the most intriguing evidence to the authenticity of the films every presented. With the recent rising interest in all matters Bigfoot, I believe millions would watch. If an individual watches the entire sequence of videos that M.K. has, they will be hard-pressed to dismiss the footage as fake. I know it is not a corpse, but it is the next best thing. If a picture is worth a 1000 words, these videos should be worth at least a few million. Hey, innocence only has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt within the criminal justice system, and anyone with a brain cannot watch these clips and say that they are "beyond a reasonable doubt" fake. I'm just saying! I believe in you M.K., and so do several others on this forum. Think about it.
I talked to a producer about that Big D...by Monster Hunter
They're not interested in the Patterson footage one way or the other...they want real time feet on the ground sensationalism...they want folks who pick up coyote crap and make asinine statements of what it could be and of course the wood knocks, maybe a vocal and a lot of..."did you hear that?"...they want excitement and the folks to be on the edge of their seats with anticipation of actually seeing a BF that unfortunately never shows up...
It's a money game with them making the money...nothing wrong in making a buck but these basxxxx don't believe in sharing the wealth...
Maybe the members of GCBRO should begin the process of making a documentary. Sure, it may take two or three years to get enough footage to make a two hour show, but I believe with the talents of the individuals involved in the group coupled with the numerous areas throughout the U.S. that the GCBRO has access to, a pretty darn good film could be made that may have the potential to net the group some money to purchase equipment and to cover other expenses. Who knows MH, you might even be a movie star:-)
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i've been in the pre stages of actually doing such, and i want to feature members of the GCBRO, im talking yes 2 hr feature length, outings, interviews, the whole 9 yards, and ideas or concepts wanted to be included shoot me an email, id like to do it up super legit, ive got the hardware and time to shoot it and make it look really damn good and epic, i want to make a beautiful artful and scientific documentary thats not been done yet >
Something I didn't notice in the black eyed picture...by Monster Hunter
On the left hand side of the picture it looks like a chimpanzee squatting down...what I see...is an arm with this whatever it is facing the black eyed thing...
Here's one Ms. Francis took with the digital...by Monster Hunter
She still hasn't figured out the zoom but when she sees something moving around in her back yard she'll take a picture...I've attached a couple here...first appears there might be something...second is later in the day that shows there is nothing there...but I do know shadows play tricks but I can't remember seeing anything in that area I thought was a Monster and I've been there many times at all different hours of the day...
Monster Hunter, the 2nd photo is much clearer. Maybe if you can down size the first one with the critters in view, it would be easier to see them.
Here it is again......by Monster Hunter
The sun is not helping the picture at all...it appears it was taken around 10 AM from what I can tell...I enhanced the picture a bit but there is just so much I can do with limited soft ware...she many have moved the camera while taking the picture since it is not focused...I have the camera set to self focus...
BTW...the Monsters she sees during the day come through periodically between 10 and noon...
I see it. I am sure it is something ! Day time sightings are not all to common. They must feel pretty comfortable. Maybe offer them a beer or ice tea.
Do they ever show aggression?
Look at the size of that pumpkin!!! Now that is impressive!
Looks like two Monsters back there.
That's what I see as well Scott...by Monster Hunter
Just inside the tree line...before I started snooping around down there they walked across the open part of her yard...maybe its my after shave they don't like...
From my perspective...by Monster Hunter
That's a couple of Monsters...Ms. Francis has walked out in her yard amongst them taking pictures...I know what I have seen...I know what I see in their pictures even though some are not just right...it's easy to talk about pictures that are blurry, Monsters back in a tree line but there is a certain fear factor that occurs after a sighting...most wouldn't even think to take a picture until after the fact...
The picture Ms. Shirley sent to me...she said she smelled a horrid stench...heard some limbs breaking and then saw the beast...she text me telling me every hair on her body stood up but she still took the picture...
Ms. Francis is now more cautious of walking out to them after I showed her several in the shrubs next to her while taking a picture of three...I don't want them to be scared to death but be reasonable remembering this is indeed a wild something...anything is possible and I don't want anything happening to anyone...so far I know of no one that has been attacked by a Monster and I don't want to hear or read about a person being physically attacked...
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Monsters move when Monsters want to move...by Monster Hunter
day or night...I'm sure when the weather is hot here or anywhere during the day they move more at night...I use to feed during the hot months at MC...boogers would follow me around at times...probably more so then thought...
does she want picture for evidence like to show to the world or just pictures to send to you to assess the situation? ive got a movie film camera , the same type of camera used to shoot major movies and commercials and music videos, it also does still photos, i mean waht are the chances of being able to camp out there for like 2 or 3 weeks and actually get some decent 100% footage of these things? Hell you know I dont wanna shoot one w/ a gun. just pics , films...whats the hold up on that?
We do have a plan...by Monster Hunter
My problem...The distance between us and my obligations...I could stay there for any length of time but I would need help with my kennel...dog pens to clean...dogs to feed and water...if they could go without food, water and wade sxxx for a month I'd go down and stay...we do have video cameras going at all times...we also have camcorders, digital cameras...not the best by all means but enough quality to film or take pictures of Monsters...
Appreciate the offer but we'll just keep on plugging...
if you believe they were taking the fried chicken you were leaving before ...how about leaving some up on that gas tank with the camera aimed that way. The gas tank seems like it's sitting more out in the open than the shed. I just find it hard to believe these critters are a lot smarter than we humans and we can't trick(or treat) them into being videoed or captured on a trail cam. Very aggravating! I applaud all your efforts!
Fried chicken on the gas tank...by Monster Hunter
I'd be feeding the dogs Nellie that's why I used the old cooler trailer...last time I left the large box...no pictures...could be the game camera malfunctioning...BTW...I did have a video camera pointed where you could plainly see the trailer...nothing that I could see...
there has just got to be a way to get a better video or picture of these monsters. If trying to bait them is out then what would tempt them to show themselves out in the open for a cheesecake shot?
I refuse to get frustrated knowing...by Monster Hunter
from years of fooling with the Monsters you have to persevere and be patient...when I first started with a game camera years back I thought it would be easy and at times I was frustrated...now...what happens...happens...but I'm still eager to see if anything is caught on any of the cameras...more times then not I'm disappointed...I stay disappointed quite a bit fooling with the Monsters...
I know some day you WILL BE REWARDED for your efforts. And every one on the MB hangs on too! I can only wait for that day.
I believe that Jim is gonna be the one to get good video from down there.
He and the ladies have got some pretty good stuff already and I think that once he gets these new knees installed, he is gonna take to them like never before.
For me, the give-away is that the camera WAITS expectantly
for the arrival of the Sasquatch or whatever it is.
Looks like the same costume he used in the other two sasquatch videos he has up. LOL
Unbelievable...by Monster Hunter
Those folks have a BF costume...
This is not even a good fake and I hope his mother does not watch this and hear his trashy mouth.
Ms. Francis did use the digital camera I loaned her...by Monster Hunter
Obviously older since we haven't had any frost since last winter...I really don't know what these impressions are from and she can't remember...by looking at the picture it appears it was taken close to the house...
They both look three toed...left and right
That's what I see as well Timber...by Monster Hunter
looks like a three toed track...a couple of them...
shoes left outside over night? There should be a trackway leading to and away if it were in fact prints.
A pair of shoes left outside during the winter months?...by Monster Hunter
Have you ever done that T?...if I have I can't remember...
Ha, I forgot that's what you in the South call winter. I was thinking along the lines of a night of frost after a nice day. We get frosty nights like that here starting the third week of Sept. By the middle of Dec. were usually up to our knees in snow.
I can't remember the last frost here T...by Monster Hunter
But I do know I've been mowing grass since February...that's a first for me...usually we have enough winter that goes through March to April...
One would have to really beg the question why is this photo so clear and the BF photo below so blurry? Why does she not use this same camera to get clear shots? I hope her intent is not to deceive.
I began the thread saying Ms. Francis used the digital camera...by Monster Hunter
Ms. Shirley has been using her cell phone to take pictures which is handy but the picture quality is not up to par...she told me this morning she would start using her digital camera...Ms. Francis has been using a $5 dollar 35mm walmart film camera which is darn near as bad as a cell phone when it comes to picture quality but the picture can be enhanced with out losing as much as with a digital...the developing solution these folks used is old therefore the tint and white specks...
I loaned Ms. Francis a digital camera with zoom that she is now using...I hope...Last time down I swapped SD cards with her...so far I haven't seen anything in her pictures other then the tracks but I haven't given them the proper time as of yet...
Two different ladies, two different homes within several hundred yards or less of each other...they are good friends spend time together drinking coffee and doing what ladies do...but they are sincere when it comes to Monsters...they know what to look for and spot items most who call themselves researchers over look...
I an on board with Grumpy on using video instead of a camera. Sure would be great if you could get either lady to wear a ball cap mounted video camera.Another good idea that costs money.
It sure sounds like the monsters are very comfortable, relaxed, hanging around this area. It is a researchers dream come true. Monster Hunter, have these critters displayed any aggression toward these ladies?
Some aggression...by Monster Hunter
Growling and hitting the house...Ms. Shirley's back screen door was heavily damaged...at times they'll hear them raising hexx...usually around midnight if I remember correctly...
Ms Francis had some five or six month old pups...one late afternoon they were raising sand in the small field littered with pine trees...I walked out there...when I got to where the pups were they took off going to the old barn...I didn't see anything though I scoured that area well...two weeks later those pups were missing and I know a person couldn't catch them...I wormed and inoculated these pups with Ms. Francis being the only one who could hem them up long enough to catch...Ms. Shirley has lost a dog or two...and some chickens, guineas and ducks...Jake found a neatly stack of chicken feathers behind the pond and I found where something plucked a guinea and neatly stacked the feathers...
Ms. Shirley and a friend came home one night from the store...something in the pine thicket started growling...it got louder and more menacing before the ladies could get in the house...scared them so bad Ms. Shirley either left her keys in the door or broke a key off trying to get in the house...
I'm thinking they are not too scared of anything. Damn I wish I could go with you. We could set up some trip flares, bang flares, and sit with pepper spray.
Doug you complain about wise crack remarks...by Monster Hunter
But you leave yourself wide open to have your hand slapped...
"I hope her intent is not to deceive."
Had you monitored our forum for the last few years you would know these ladies have no intentions of deceiving you or anyone else...Is Doug Murdoch your real name or is it your intent to deceive us here?...do you live within the USA?...a state would be okay to mention?...what we know about you is what you've told us...any person can claim anything without folks personally knowing who they are...please send me an email to verify who you are at...
Your post is fine other then the last sentence...that's accusatory...I have personally been researching investigating this area for several years...I know all involved and trust them...these people are more then contacts...they're friends...
playing devils advocate: MH , if your friends w/ these ladies and have developed some relationship in any sense, then thats grounds for bias in terms of information brought to you by them...i mean..i dont trust anyone..and thats the smartest thing to do in science..
I'm not a scientist...by Monster Hunter
And I have witnessed many times what they claim to have heard, seen and the most important thing...taken pictures of...I make friends with all my contacts dropping by from time to time to check in...I would much rather have folks glad to see me then say..."oh crap"...there's that damn Monster hunter...
I do understand many people believe science plays a roll, though small, in this mythical beast...but I could care less what any scientist thinks of me...how I do my research and investigations...not one has donated one thin dime...everything, like darn near all of us, operate out of our own pockets...
I may be biased towards these folks to some degree but not as far as gathering evidence...good folks who every researcher needs to find and associate with...
to hunt these boogers. I like your attitude. You're not trying to get noticed and attention. How many times were you on TV? I made the news channels 3 or 4 times and numerous newspapers. Not for hunting monsters though. Hell they even called me a hero.
I hunt because I want answers...by Monster Hunter
I've been on TV but have turned down offers...me showing and telling someone behind a camera for free is not what I'm into...pay me the right money so I can hang with the Monsters I'm interested...not interested at all in news papers...these hicker nuts write down what you say and when you finally read what they print they make you out as a lunatic wondering the woods for a creature that doesn't exist...
I've been called a lot of names by folks in this community but I guarantee "hero" didn't come out of their mouths...LOL...and life goes on...
a great sense of humor too. It sounds extremely intersting what you have accomplished. Thanks for all the info. It certainly takes my mind off of me!
Spike TV just announced they are offering 10 million bucks for proof that bf exists. I think they're gonna do a show. It's probably just a promotional gimmick but it's a good incentive for every lunatic to hit the bush armed.
It will risky walking around. Think about hunters that get shot wearing blaze orange. Not a good idea to offer big $$ bucks without rules.
There you go M.K. With your technical expertise, video evidence, first hand interview knowledge, and the research support of the fine people of the G.C.B.R.O., everyone could have a merrier Christmas this year Heck, if nothing else, Spike may provide financial support to purchase the cutting edge equipment that would certainly help in the search for the creatures as well as a promise for a healthy pay day in exchange for the exclusive rights for the proof WHEN it is collected. Just because this research has never paid off doesn't mean it can't. Hey, maybe even MH can get him some new knees!!!
New knees...by Monster Hunter
Tuesday morning...hopefully will be back walking around in a few months without falling...
I'll wait til you heal up and are hitting the brush before I come back down. That way you will experience what the rest of us call "Keeping up with Grumpy" first hand.......
Looking forward to your visit Scott...by Monster Hunter
All the group would enjoy seeing you...
Good for youby Grumpy
Scott, after my bout with radiation and age I'm not what I used to be and never will be again....... Jim will probably out hike me with his new knee's....... He may even be bionic with today's medical advancements!!!!! Getting old sucks....
Does suck large rocks. And I am fighting it for as long as possible.
I can't imagine keeping up with a "radiated" Grumpy would be any easier. Although you might glow a nice green after dark now, making headlamps unnecessary, and making it easier to keep track of where you are!
If the world as we know is still here in Spring........
Good luck with that Jim. It's always scarey getting stuff like that done but anyone I know who did it is happy they did. The good thing too is, it's a long way from the heart!
Thanks T...by Monster Hunter
It is time to have something done...now is that time...
I pray your knee surgery will be successful and your healing time will be short. God bless you.
Thanks Nellie...by Monster Hunter
Hopefully in a few months I'll be able to get around without stumbling and falling down...
What proof is...by Monster Hunter
A corpse and then it could be argued it's not a Bigfoot...No money will change hands...just like any other television network...your work, evidence and knowledge for the carrot dangling in front of the horse...
See the link re: the questioning of BF attacks and see the "background story" on the Ape Canyon attack.
Never in my all years of hearing BF stories have I ever read/heard that YMCA kids used to throw rocks at miner's cabins. Or - have I simply missed every single instance of this story's debunking???
Well I'll just be darn...by Monster Hunter
If it was really scouts even Teddy Roosevelt was fooled in to thinking Monsters were bombarding their camp...I do think the article is close to accurate as far as BF tearing a persons property up...to some BF enthusiasts everything they hear or see they relate to BF...if it were that easy then this mystery would be solved...
A slanted article. I would take the word of people there over some mope(he got paid for writing the article) years later debunking it.Those miners weren't sissies or lazy. The miners would have known the kids were there. City people have little knowledge as to how thing work in the boonies. Only so many people in the area and only so may trails or roads and the same with places to buy food.Thus even without telephones they knew what was going on in the area.
Apes at Ape Canyon...by Monster Hunter
At times I readily throw out the baby in the bath water...I know there are some excellent researchers out in the PNW but there's something about some of those folks who leave a bad taste in my mouth...skookum cast...elbe track line...JG and his casting of Wallace faked carved tracks...etc...
But Versatile makes a good point...if I'm in a wilderness setting I would think I would hear and may possibly see scouts in the area...maybe to make a point the writer of the article fudged a bit by adding the Ape Canyon incident as kids and not Monsters bombarding the shack...
does not make their statement believable.
He says"Wild animals attack cars with food in them" Shows he doesn't now much about animals.
He says boy scouts throwing rocks. Then who tried to knock down the door? Boy Scouts?
No link to back up that it was boy scout. No name of the Boy Scout Camp.No real rebuttal facts just a rebuttal.
There would have been dead little scouts, as the miners shot at the critters. The original story has never changed. The people who have rewritten it for their own purposes have changed facts.
Seems pretty normal now for history to get rewritten for personal gain or attention..
Some folks say and claim anything to get their 15 minutes.
After reading a few of the posts, I saw there are more than a few hunters here.
I thought about this...................what calibar to"shoot bigfoot".
I don't have any desire to kill one, too old and too close to dieing myself to want to do it.
So..........A large calibar for stopping power
my thoughts, minimum calibars...............338 win mag, 350 rem mag, 358 Norma mag, 375 H&H mag, the Weatherby's 340 mag, 378 mag, the family of 416's, Rigby, Ruger, Remington, 45/70 with Bufflao Bore or Garrett loads, and of course 450 Marlin, any 12 guage shotguns with Brenke slugs, or the newer Black Cloud slugs. The 458, 460, and higher I think are too much if there is such a thing.
I would enjoy hearing other opinions.
There are many excellent calibers to hunt a Monster with...by Monster Hunter
But IMO it's the shot more then the caliber...I no longer can handle the big bores so I use my 30.06 with a 150 grain core lock bullet...scramble the brain and the body will die but I would only take a head shot unless of course it's me or him...I also carry my home security 12 guage...bad to the bone at close range which down here more then likely the shot will be up close and personal...couple of slugs with the other five single 0 buckshot...when I use to walk MC at night I carried my 870 shotgun with an extended magazine loaded with number 6...here's why...sure I had my hand gun but in the areas I walked it was thick brush...my intentions...blind the beast and his arse belongs to me...
Me personally I owe these stinking basxxxx for killing my dogs...I couldn't tell you how many dogs I've lost at MC...I do suspicion Monsters were responsible for taking 8 month old pups from their mother...skinning and eating them...now, IMO, that's cold blooded...
Your choices certainly are good ones. I killed allot of elk with a 30/06. I like a short bbl 12 gauge. My first weapon I bought, when I was discharged, was an Ithaca model 37, 18" bbl, 8 shot . Popular years ago, but the Rem 870 is king now. Sorry about your dogs, that would make me angry too.
Remington 870 kicked to hard for me...by Monster Hunter
I use a browning now...several reasons but the main reason...the shells eject from the bottom...not important for a right handed shooter but definitely a good advantage for us lefties...20 inch barrel...holds 7 2/34 high brass...it can handle three inch shells...I can't...
for me. Got a 30.06 I take as well for those long range shots. I'm in the woods 99% of the time so that 12 gauge is my constant companion. OH, and my .357 mag pistol in my back pack as well, JUST IN CASE I have to shoot my buddie in the foot. After all, you don't have to outrun the monster, just your buddie LOL
So far the shotgun is the weapon of choice. I know that is what I unzipped from the case in my tent when I had a midnight intruder. I certainly felt confident with that Ithaca in my hands. I too am too old for the heavy magnums, but it wasn't the case years ago. A 270 grn bullet out of a 375 H7H mag has the same ballistic coefficient as a 180 grn 30/06. I used to hunt the moutains with that heavy rifle. Larger bore, flat shooting, and heavy slug ( 270 / 300 grns), has it in spades over many other calibars. Over a hundred years old and still the choice in Africa and Alaska.
My personal choices,by Grumpy
are my 1895G loaded with Garrett 540gr +P loads and when in really thick brush my tactical 12ga loaded with 3" 600gr Black Magic slugs.. for anything other than monsters I prefer my 30-06 bolt action rifle...
Grumpy I think your projectile in the garrett is too tough for a thin skin animal. It was designed for elephants, cape buffalo, and hippos. You will lose expansion and knock down power as a result. The shot gun slug is a different mater, excellent choice. The lead projectile is much softer.
This bullet is a hard cast lead alloy and Not meant to expand, it was designed to shatter and destroy any bone it comes in contact with.... In my opinion this is the only way to put down large dangerous game quickly and additionally Randy Garrett designed this bullet load combination to put down a grizzly quickly, and IMO these apes fall into the same category, and especially if they are on all fours when shot.
Additionally your question was approved since I knew who you were and figured you just forgot to enter your log in name, please be sure to use it when posting so others know who is posting.
I will try to get better at this.
Yes I see your point. I just thought the bullet projectile would pass through, arm, leg, stomach area. I have some Bufflo Bore Expanding , I buy both and reload too. My thought is that you have a dual purpose pojectile if it expands, you know what I mean. Tear off a limb vs puncing 1/2 inch holes.
Exactly, that's why most I know us the 12ga in thick brush and the larger caliber rifles in more open terrain between 25-100 yards, last hunt it would have been great to see or shoot more than 25 yards in any direction..... monsters just don't stand out in the open waving at us, and if in the open they are likely going quad and moving fast..
it would be on the gun I use for precision shooting, a fully modded and trued Semi automatice sniper system by dpms, i dont believe in "chest" or "center mass" kill shots, because the most ethical way of dispatching an animal of any sort is a brain shot...thaat being said, my bullet wouldnt be for terminal ballistic optimazation @ the center of the animal, I want to power through skull material, my best groups so far are 3/8" @ 100..which is sub MOA all the way out to 900 yards,...ANyways sorry to rant, THE bullet I use is a Laupa FMJ @ 167 grains, hitting w/ around a ton of force @ 100 yards...meaning the solid base and jacket will stay in relatively good shape when hitting skull and pushing through at which point the bullet will fragemnt bone material into brain along w/ the shockwave of the bullet itself and kill whatever giant ape thingy it is..., power is okay for but usually center mass shots create so much shock the animal wont know its missing its liver, half a lung, whatever and run a little, instant down shots usually result in the bullet or bone material hitting the spinal column , and for the you need an incredibly large bullet which would most likely destroy lots of important things inside the immediate area of the cardiovascular system, but then you got to worry about 2nd shots if needed, bolt actions wont do for that sort of thing, ..for instance even if i graze the skull, ive got 19 more rounds of .308 that i stack progressivly w/ things like tsx bullets and partitions so it will eventually stop fast fast fast
..put me in a ring or area w/ one of these things..and i promise i could deliver
I agree to an extent, but monsters don't stand in the open for these shots to take place, the area(s) we hunt are some of the thickest brush and thickets anywhere, both day and night, and small light weight bullets; ie; anything 165gr or under, just don't get there on target after passing through several small trees or branches..... and I have never believed in all that ballistic BS and hydrostatic shock statistics... I'm a firm believer in Big and Slow when it comes to knock down power on Large dangerous animals.
I agree big bullets. And you can have the velocity too. Look at my list. 250 grn and heavier going as fast or faster as a 30/06, which many like, but BIG slugs. Still me sitting here talking isn't the same as out there doing.
I do have a Belgium made FN FAL. The scope is the one the military used in viet nam. It has the metal cam ring auto bullet compensator, for distance adjustment. I paid $900 just for the scope, with the base, in the '70s.
Brush hunting is tough...by Monster Hunter
Some areas you can't see twenty five yards during the day let alone at night...yeah there are some open areas but Monsters seem to travel hugging the brushy spots...I use a 12 gauge but many like the 45/70...darn sure a get off of me rifle that can penetrate whatever is in its way...
But the idea placement of a shot would be to the head IMO...scramble the brain...
Ballastics Gell testby Grumpy
Don't even begin to show what happens when a smaller caliber lighter weight bullet hits heavy bone structure, most break apart and don't shatter/destroy heavy bone which IMO is what is needed to bring down LDG. Granted they do damage and cause massive internal bleeding but that does not stop LDG before they possibly close the distance and get their revenge before their brain finally tells the body they are dead. I spent 15 years as a licensed Gun Repairman with my own shop and don't put much faith into printed material which normally depicts what the author/manufacturer wants it to.
I do agree with that statement, the only solution to killing one w/ one shot is cavitation of skull and brain, or massive MASSIVE liquifaction of the center mass cardiovasular system (with hopes of a spinal column impact area), i just disagree w/ the implied theory that a small bullet (under 180, FMJ)@ > 2500fps will not properly compromise the skull and launch bone and lead into the brain cavity...beacuse im almost entirely certain it would ...i mean my bullets punch 1/4" steel plate like swiss cheese..and hell w/ the mosin nagant I have , firing a 180gr steel core...i mean..thats AP , even a deflection...your still dumping over 60% of the energy of the bullet onto an area the size of a basketball..something like..i dunno 1400 ft/lbs of force? thats like getting hit by a car right in your head
And again I fully agree that if you are lucky enough to miss all the brush and limbs and indeed get to the point of aim the job will be done... I just don't want to rely on luck with all the variables present when hunting LDG...... I think everyone here agrees that a head shot if possible is the way to go.
the proper projectile ( bullet) that is needed. I am in the big bore camp. I modified my Marlin loading gate to use Garretts' 310 grn hard cast in my .44 mag.. Of course my Marlin Guide gun in 45/70 is my go to hog rifle.
You need to match the bullet to the game. Deer hunting is less demanding of a bullet than elk or moose. Trophy Bonded, Swift A Frame, Nosler Partition, Barnes solid copper, and the "inter-lock's of factory loads) do NOT fail. Just a fact. I would not think a big foot anatomy is denser than a elk, and certainly not as broad and thick as a grizzly bear.
I used to use a 375 H&H mag but switched to my Browning 30/06 when I witness how effective the smaller calibars were with the proper bullet.
Regardless what you carry, what you shoot, you need "expensive " bullets that will hold up. The final word although is accuracy. I am used to my 45/70 but my wife shoots a Ruger mannlicher in .308, because she is more accurate with the scoped bolt action. YOU HAVE TO HIT YOUR TARGET. Too many hunters I saw didn't. I stopped going in groups unless I knew the men were good shooters and woodsman.
Grumpy, I guess the correct description would be you were a "gunsmith" for 15 years?
I agree with bullet placement, and can't understand how on these TV shows almost every deer shot needs to be tracked to be found... maybe I have just been lucky but every deer I have shot with a 30-06 using 150-165 grain bullets have dropped where they stood. And as far as Gunsmithing I am and always will be old school... A Gunsmith to me is someone who has the ability to take a block of steel and make whatever he/she wants like in times past, all others are gun repairman since they just repair or modify an existing firearm.. granted they may use vertical mills, lathes and other equipment for these repairs but do not create a complete firearm from scratch, this to me is a Gunsmith.
well if your talking about something > .311 then your wanting HP, JHP, Partition, Polymertip, but preferablly the new TSX bullets from Barnes, as they have DEEP penetration yet flower petal after they slow down a bit upon entering the chest cavity past the rib cage, sternum...whatnot. problem w/ a slow moving round is that by the time it passes ribcage its dumped so much of its energy within the first 4" of the object that proper liquifaction of internal organs is nearly impossible unless your up really really close because the shockwave wont have enough force to rip up membranes, connective tissue and rupture a wide area of vascular tissue. thats why im in the camp of not "small" but smaller and faster even in brush or at distance or even a chest shot because the shockwave will absolutly liquify the internal organs inside the chest cavity past the ribcage, instead of it being like a hammer to the heart it would be more like a small explosive inside the entire chest of the animal, preferablly if i were contracted to hunt on of these guys, id use a .338 lapua magnum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.338_Lapua_Magnum ) w/ a 225gr barnes T-DPX, moving at around 3000fps muzzle and lord..(calculating) 4500 ft/lbs(est) @ 100yards
. I should clarify I study the art and science of ballistics both in a terminal( biological/medical sense) and the physics of projectiles. Brush is sometimes a problem w/ smaller rounds, but even larger bullets because they are already moving slow and have so much force against them after leaving the barrel (air pressure, aerodynamics,) that any loss in momentum really is a hinderace in their terminal performance. Of course they might pass through small limbs, but their trajectory will change even w/ the slightest outside factor just as any bullet will because their mass is usually so small when they are hanging out there in the elements on their way to the target.
Many pages down on your website, you guys mention that you are pro-kill and want to harvest a body to prove BFs existence, so why the change in attitude?? Why not take one from MS Francis' site if there are so many there?
I'm sure with enough people and firepower you should be able to harvest a body without a problem. All you give us now are stories and blurry photos.
Our hunts are kept confidential...by Monster Hunter
We haven't changed our pro-kill stance for discovery...we just don't advertise what we do as an organization as far as our hunts are concerned...perhaps we need someone like yourself that apparently has a well thought out plan for harvest...
to quote you...
"I'm sure with enough people and firepower you should be able to harvest a body without a problem."
Which tells me you have no idea about hunting these Monsters...easy to say...more then difficult to do...
BTW...If the stories and "blurry" photos bother you it is IMO that probably you shouldn't look or read our forum...our intentions are to share and not manipulate your thoughts where you feel as if you have to post negative comments...always remember...we don't owe you or anyone else one damn thing...we share to inform and educate...either your learning curve is lacking or you have all the answers...either way...I could care less...
A photo just for you Doug...by Monster Hunter
Taken by Ms. Shirley at her home with a cell phone...she said she heard something...smelled an awful stench and took this picture of what appears to be a Monster...
Thanks for the picture Miss Shirley and MH. That is one big joker. We've had this same conversation about harvesting one from the ladies living area and it is simple for us to say let's take one of the many that seem to frequent their land but as you so rightly pointed out the ramifications for the ladies could be terrible. We don't know what retribution the remaining monsters would carry out on Miss Francis and Miss Shirley for harming one of their clan.
I do agree...by Monster Hunter
That's truly a huge Monster...
thats a big boy!
I'm curious Mr. Murdoch, are you a hunter?
Most who post wisecracks Big D...by Monster Hunter
Usually have no idea of hunting common known critters let alone hunting Monsters...I've never had any problems hunting any animals other then Monsters...easy to track, find bedding and food areas but this beast is another subject all together...
No wisecrack comment at all, just some honest questions. You seem to judge people before you get all the facts MH. I'm a longtime hunter and ex-military.
Where there's a will, there is a way the old saying goes. Why the verbal abuse from you when you don't agree with someone? I never came out verbal abusing anyone, just asked some simple questions.
Maybe I misinterpreted your post...by Monster Hunter
"All you give us now are stories and blurry photos"
But I don't think I did...
BTW...I've been doing this for years and know from experience many claim something they're not...as far as judging you...I can only judge you by your post...
I can only imagine the experiences you must have had over the years hunting these creatures. I was asking if he had any experience as a hunter to get a sense of where his seemingly obvious disgust for this particular set of posts was coming from. I have been involved in this type of research for just a short time now, and though I have only participated in actual field excursions just a few times, I have done it enough to know that it is a bit different from stalking any other type of quarry I have ever set out after. I think to assume that your group can simply go out and bag a creature as historically elusive as this creature has been is just silly, and not to mention it is not as simple as just killing the creature should it appear. There are all sorts of laws, both criminal as well as wildlife related, that must be taken into consideration. One must also consider the wishes of the land owner. Maybe the lady where you have been doing the research does not want the animal(s) harmed. Maybe she simply wants to learn more about the creatures and wants you and your group to assist her in the learning. I don't know all of the facts, I just know that this is a forum that deals with a very controversial topic. It is also one that gives both believers and non-believers the opportunity to make their case for others to consider. I just hate to see a situation where someone APPEARS to be intolerant of another's beliefs or experiences. That is exactly how the War of Northern Aggression began
Yes, I've been a hunter since I was 14 years old and ex-military for 28 years, so I know what I'm talking about. Is this question to get more wise-crack answers?
Absolutely not Murdoch...by Monster Hunter
I'm a Viet Nam vet...combat...grew up in the East Texas bottoms of the Sabine river hunting both day and night and fished every hole of water we could put a hook in...so I'm really not impressed with your credentials as far as Monster hunting is concerned...you may be an outstanding hunter for common big game animals...I have no idea if you are or not...but many have been with me Monster hunting...
"so I know what I'm talking about."...
I don't think you know what you are talking about when it comes to Monster hunting...I agree to disagree...
It is my opinion that it is impossible to "sneak" up on a monster. I don't know what their 6th sense might be, but you only see one when it wants you to see them.
Monster Hunter, It did cross my mind when you posted that pic, it might be a chance to "waste" one booger but I know you have more issues intervening. I think cameras at her house is the way to go. You can collect allot of data for future research watching this area. Keep the info coming, I can't wait to find out more!
and you can sneak up on them, you just have to get off a 4wheeler to do it.
they don't like it one bit when you get within 100 yards of them and them not know it. 2 times I have done it, they didn't even look back as they ran for heavy cover.
better yet, catch them in the middle of a pond.
What were the circumstances, more info please
enquiring minds want to know
supernatural or anything.
you roam around the woods enough where you have an active group and you will stumble unto them one way or another. I've done it, my son has done it and I know a helluva lot of people who have told me they their own experiences.
in some areas I guarantee you that they aren't use to people walking in the woods.
there are enough people on the board that know me well enough to vouch.
I have a four camera video system there...by Monster Hunter
So far nothing of real importance has been captured... I guess I need to add more cameras or hide some game cameras...problem with game cameras I'm not really able to walk into the areas I need to go in at this time...hopefully after the first of the year...
I think this is very interesting to say the least. Imagine having an area to investigate that has so many critters. I come to visit this site everyday hoping to gain more knowledge. Just knowing Monster Hunter has an oppurtunity to see the activity going on has me on the edge of my chair. If I was younger you couldn't keep me away.
LOL...at times it is exciting...by Monster Hunter
But like most areas it can be boring...a real sensitive person would more then likely have problems down there...to many different things going on at times...I go down as often as I can...use to go every week but since the knees no longer want to cooperate I make it every two weeks...it's about a two hour drive depending on how fast I drive so I burn about four hours every time going down...
You would have a good time there...good people, Monsters, a black eyed something and ghosts...It is fun to walk around in areas of activity knowing there is a possibility the Monsters are following you around...maybe snapping a stick or breaking a limb or tree...
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"they wuz well organized!" Of course, I have absolutely NO proof! I've never actually seen a monster up close but I went hunting with my father and first hubby, where I shot at birds. I was in the forests enough in past years to know that a monster might have been six feet away from me and I would not have known it. I've seen one tall shadow in a wooded area near Conroe, looked at a "something" move some bushes on private land near Conroe and watched something tall and odd cross Hwy 59N early one morning. BUT I don't claim any proof of those sightings being a BF other than the odd feeling I experienced afterward. So...thinking these animals are organized and very proficient in the woods is based on both my 'feelings' and on the experts, whose posts and photos I've enjoyed over the years. AND, oh, yeah--also on the campfire stories I was privileged to hear first hand.
That's 28 years ago ( "I've been ex-military for 28 years" ). I don't see how that has any bearing on your ability to hunt, slip around the woods, track, etc., especially since it was so long ago. I've been out for 24 years, but I already knew how to do all that prior to being trained by the military. The two have nothing in common.
Not at all Mr. Murdoch. First off, thank you for your service to our Country. The fact that you served in the military alone gives you credit and earns respect from me. I simply wondered if you were a hunter to try to realize what type of background you have where hunting is concerned. I have been an avid hunter for 35 years. I've seen almost every type of game animal there is to see in the south, but I can't imagine what it must be like to see one of these creatures. I have heard them in very close proximity to me, to the point where I had my hand on my gun and was ready to shoot . . . what exactly I was not sure . . . but I was ready to shoot something. It was worse than any buck fever you could ever imagine. I just think that there is way more to collecting one of these creatures than just putting one in your sights and pulling a trigger. And if you are the hunter that you claim to be, and I have no reason to doubt that you are, I'm sure you understand this.
Consider your hand shook and me saying, "Thanks" IF I've never given you a big hug MH for Viet Nam, I will the next time I see you. God bless!
Doug, the reason we have not killed one of the animals at Ms. Francis house after she said she doesn't want them hurt is because we are not poachers. You must have mistaken us for some other group. Why don't you just go find your own monster somewhere else and shoot one and show us the carcass and then we will acknowledge you are right. They are not like anything you have ever hunted. If you have never seen one just leave it that way. Quite a few people who did finally see them sincerely wish they never had, so that they could still have the comfort of doubting there really are monsters.
Seeing is knowing, and knowing can be a nightmare and instead of answering questions, just sparking more.
Photographer snaps possible Texas Bigfoot:
video KLTV, Longview, TX
I know little about the Dallas area but...by Monster Hunter
I have heard many tales of Monsters in Shelby County...the video, my interpretation...there's something there...but I couldn't definitely say what it is...
Thanks for sending this our way...
My thought is that, almost always, while the picture may be fuzzy......what someone sees with his/her eyes, in "3-D" (two eyes to help create depth - as opposed to a 2-D picture/video) is much clearer.
The photographer sounds legit. The pic/video seems legit (though not conclusive).
I think this may be a legit sighting where the person clearly saw the creater with a pair of eyes, and the picture/vid cannot provide enough clarity, detail, definition, proper contrast/light/color.
My .02 cents.
Watching his Sierra.Nevada show where.he said he had a strange.encounter n didnt realize he was in willow creek. He just said thats where he was
Interesting...n/tby Monster Hunter
we doing that again here? somewheres ? anyone?
Weve got to get the house sold n in a new one. Almost.finished repairs. I sanded the hardwood floors last nught n all iack in new carpet n a couple touchups n its ready. May try to habe a get.togethef after deer seadon is over with. Give em a chance to get back to their non hunting season habits. Maybe march or april.
I am up for a good outting if anyone is putting something toghter here in MS.
It's bow season already anyhow here in Miss. Sometime this spring, I'll host something in an active area where we can go sit out. My wife and I love camping and I'll pick an area with water and power hookups where we can atleast be comfortable
on Facebook to see if he could get some interest in having some kind of regular get together here in MS.
Here's the link:
Or, anyone interested can just page him here or email him, lol.
and at one point a couple times a year. We both got busy and missed a year or two
I have previously stated that my observations have led me to believe that a female and a few juveniles stay in the area I call the first clearing while a small group of males stay in an area across the creek.
I will point out some things that suggest this notion. I also welcome any ideas or thoughts that develop or elaborate on this discussion even if it negates ideas I put forth.
I went back to the area in September. The reason I went during that specific time frame is because of a picture I took on June 25th 2011 and because of a comment made by a retired forest ranger in an interview about BF.
The picture I took may have a female with a newborn. If the picture does show that then we can extrapolate impregnation around September/October assuming a gestation period of about 8-9 months (Gorillas 8.5 months, chimpanzees 8 months approximately). The retired US Forest Ranger made a comment to the effect that the US Forest Service knew about the existence of bigfoot and actually knew quite a bit about them. He further stated that they rut in September/October.
Rutting in September/October would make sense from a survival standpoint since the female would be carrying throughout the coldest winter months and giving birth sometime in late May early June.
The picture I took on June 25th 2011 is one I have already posted and I do not want to beat that picture to death. However, some of the things in the picture simply do not make sense so I am going to repost and point out some but not all of the anomalies.
This is the picture:
I am going to sound crazy but I am putting forth the idea that the picture indicates two babies clinging to the female. There is a possibility that there is a newborn in the front and another possibly clinging to the back. A baby clinging to the back is not uncommon and happens frequently with various apes as this picture indicates:
Zooming in on the picture I took on June 25th 2011 indicates some things that may indicate something clinging to the back of the female.
This picture shows facial orientation and possible baby in the front. It also shows the anomaly just over the shoulder and another anomaly on the head (which I am suggesting is a hand):
This is the blowup wth no mark up:
The reason I point out these anomalies is because of the fence. In September I found a fence in the first clearing I previously did not know was there. There is fencing crisscrossing the whole area on both sides of the creek. In some instances where I believe theses things traffic through the metal fence post has been bent in half and in other areas the barb wire strands have just been ripped out:
The fence had two sticks holding the fence down. However, the fence did not need to be held down for anything other than something child-sized. In fact, I could have straddled the fence even at full height:
On June 30th 2012 I made a trip to this area.All of the wood knocking, metal knocking and rock clacking I have put on this forum came from this area.
On the way back out on June 30th I saw a shadow by a bush and before I could blink it shot back into the bushes. I moved around trying to get position around the bush to see if I could get position and perhaps see it hiding. As I moved around I began to hear screams coming from the area. I believe the screams to be from the female which does not sound like the vocalizations I have heard from across the creek. I also believe it was screaming because I was moving around where one of the older juveniles was hiding:
One of the things that has had me puzzled about the encounter on June 25th 2011 is that I have not been able to figure out how these things could have crossed the creek without me hearing them. I waded acrss the creek and the water was waist high and well over 20 feet with high banks on both sides at the smallest crossing area. I now believe that they did not cross and that there were two groups, one on each side of the creek.
When my two sons and I crossed the creek to the tree formations we had a chorus of vocalizations that sounded very close to the vocalization I recorded the following year on June 30th 2012 except it was closer, louder and there were three or more instead of one. This is the picture on June 25th 2011:
and the vocalization I recorded on June 30th 2012:
Again, I have only heard this on the other side of the creek.
Excellent and with pictures...by Monster Hunter
Something to remember...most are picture blind...if the subject is not standing in a wide open mowed field quite a few will not see what you are talking about...most hunters, good hunters, will see some items presented...may not be what you see but their interpretation of the pictures will be similar...
BTW...I had an area where the females remained across the creek in a cut over away from the male Monsters...to get to one of the food plots there were two logs...one west and one south they crossed to get to the plot...tracked them many times...at times when I would go in to feed I would hear them announcing my presence...pretty damn neat...that area is now a large pipe line...
Just as an aside I wanted to see if She-Wolf was correct and the female did go off with the male. The results were inconclusive but I do think the metal knocks gave away the position on the hill and that had not happened before. (Meaning I do not think the female was in the first clearing when I was there in September. I believe if anything was there it was the juveniles.
I also was looking for additional sign that might indicate maybe an alpha was fighting for the female and I did find something strange that I will put here. Just as some background this area has only had a trace of rain from June until the end of September. The place is in a major drought.
This is the picture I took on June 30th 2012 the tree is outlined in red:
This is a close up of the same tree. The breakage was fresh:
The top of the tree was nowhere to be found. However there were these strange gouges on a couple of the trees
Obviously the tree didn't break itself
I guess it could be weather related...by Monster Hunter
we've had some strong winds here but what I find is the tree usually breaks at a knot in the tree...it appears yours didn't...personally I don't think the female goes off with the male...I think when the alpha male is in town the younger males leave the area...
It may very well be weather related but the top of that tree would be somewhere close by and I couldn't find it. The tree was there in June and gone in September with no rain except a trace in almost 2 months. I also didn't see any other damage other than what was noted.
I have found a couple of other instances of large tree damage and it just doesn't make sense to explain some of it as weather related IMHO...
The picture below is the broken trunk end of a tree that was placed into this dead tree. Please note the lack of trees close enough in the background...Both of us couldn't have lifted that thing into position.
If something is doing these things I am actually pretty fearful to come across it and it would definitely fit the definition of "monster".
Personally I haven't seen or noticed any large limbs...by Monster Hunter
stuck up higher in a larger tree...but somewhere in Canada there are some old trees that are stuck in the ground upside down...so IMO I do think this is possible...take a big Monster to do it but possible...
Just thinking...how big would a Monster have to be to do this?...and where could it possibly go to not be seen?...I have a hard time believing a creature 7 to 9 ft. tall and weighing approximately 500 pounds and up could successfully stay hidden without some hunter, hiker or camper not seeing them...not just your place of interest but any where...I can understand a skeptics view...no body, no bones, no accurate DNA just eye witness and pictures for proof...eye witnesses can easily be fooled especially those with BF on the brain...most pictures can be hoaxed...but I do know and trust those I'm closely associated with...they've seen Monsters more then several times and know the difference in a Monster and a bear...
Thanks again for sharing...
OK has changed sine I was there last......see what happens when you let Don run around nekked in them woods!
If that's what you get for being on a TV series...by Monster Hunter
I'll pass...that's sickening to look at...
And on soooo many different levels,,lol.
...like from the ground level up!
I got. Supper cooking n now i canr eat.ewwww . Is that Craig laying on Matts tummy? Lmbo
From what I am seeing, they may try to recruit you,,lol.
Rictor Riolo. He has done a lot of artwork for some of the Facebook Bigfoot group "Team Tazer Bigfoot", and he hosts a radio show with Sharon Lee called the Bigfoot Field Reporter, which she used to do solo until hooking up with him (not literally, because, if you haven't guessed by the picture that Timberghost posted, Rictor isn't really attracted to girls, women, or females of any kind). He creates a new work of art as a poster ad for the upcoming "BF Field Report" radio show every week, with a drawing of himself, Sharon, and whoever will be on the show, usually in a comic book style, such as the drawing above, but in color.
Montana Man Killed During Bigfoot HoaxKatie KindelanAugust 28, 2012A Montana man dressed in a Bigfoot costume in an apparent attempt to provoke reports of sightings of the mythical creature was killed when he was struck by two cars on a highway.Randy Lee Tenley, 44, of Kalispell, in Northwest Montana, was standing in the right-hand lane of U.S. Highway 93 Sunday night when he was struck by a car, the Montana Highway Patrol said. A second car then hit him again as he lay in the road, authorities said.READ MORE: Bigfoot or Big Joke: You Decide"He had this Ghillie suit and was going to attempt to get the attention of passing motorist and, through I don't know what means, make them feel like they saw Bigfoot or sasquatch," Montana Highway Patrol Officer Jim Schneider told ABC affiliate KTMF.Schneider told the local newspaper the Daily Inter Lake that authorities determined Tenley's motive, posing as Bigfoot, after interviewing the man's friends. Alcohol "may have been a factor," in the incident, according to Schneider.READ MORE: Bigfoot Spotted in Idaho?The military-style "Ghillie" suit worn by Tenley was a full-body suit made of strips of camouflage fabric, making it difficult for drivers to spot him. The suit is typically used by military members to camouflage snipers in combat.The two vehicles that struck Tenley were driven by teenage girls, one age 15 and one age 17, police said.Bigfoot and Sasquatch are names given to mysterious, mythical ape-like creatures that some people believe inhabit forests. The theory is largely discounted by scientists but the legend has persisted, even giving rise to its own TV show, "Finding Bigfoot," on the Animal Planet.In May, a group of high school students said they may have came come close to Bigfoot during a class project in the Idaho wilderness. A 38-second YouTube video shot in April in the Grand River area of Northeast Ohio claims to show a large, dark and hairy creature running across a path in the woods that many have proposed could be Bigfoot.The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Hard to believe then maybe not...by Monster Hunter
it seems people get crazier every day...
This is a good read concerning minimum viable population over various time frames. It has direct implications for a location, for example, like Ms Francis has where high numbers of monsters inhabit an area.
It gives an idea about the minimum numbers needed to populate and sustain an area.
This paragraph sums it up IMO...by Monster Hunter
"Conservation practitioners are commonly faced with a lack of resources, limited scientific knowledge on the system under management, and sometimes operate within a hostile socio-political environment. Oftentimes biologists require general MVP targets for species conservation but do not have the time, skills or resources to run viability analyses. MVP targets are used to allocate scarce resources toward the maintenance of populations, and for the derivation of minimum species habitat requirements, which may then be used as a demographic and genetic justification for reserve design or preservation, and the possible creation of corridors or trans-boundary national parks. The recommendations that biologists make, based on broad MVP targets, are usually serious, with legal and financial consequences. Where data and resources are scarce, MVP ranges may be cautiously used"
The MVP is nothing more then a wild axxed estimate...there is not any way we could use anything more or less then the MVP since we know little to nothing about the subject we search for...theory, what little evidence we have gathered that has been submitted may or may not be accurate...therefore all we have is a wild axxed guess with a bit of evidence, just enough, to validate some of our theories...
MY theory...hunt them long enough and you'll discover after twenty years...you know little and what you think you knew can and more then likely will be changed over night...Think about this...what known animal on earth, something many of us have personally seen, can we not successfully hunt?...I can only think of one...
I was just looking at it from a slightly different perspective.
If There were confirmed visuals (pictures) of monsters and the physical evidence shows multiple deformity (multiple three toed tracks, the crippled one you have pictures of, the one that you described as looking like downs syndrom,and or the one with the long neck, for example)
it might point to a smaller population (If the estimates in the reading are reliable) of well under 50 in the area and 6 or less breeding pairs with inbreeding possibly causing the deformities.
Something else that plays into this is the time frame. If the area has a history of sightings going back 4 or more decades with little or no evidence of deformity it may have a higher population of 100 or more through-out a given region.
I was trying to think through how we could look at the little evidence we get and possibly make minimum population size estimates of a given area.
Just something to give some thought to.
will sombody explain all this to me the viable population?? ok its above my head lol !!!
A minimum viable population (MVP) size is an estimate of the number of individuals ( in this case monsters) required for a high probability of survival of a population over a given period of time.
Time periods are typically limited due to species type (which is unknown in this case), but it is usually 20, 50, 100 and 100+ years
Things that may limit a population of animals(of whatever species) include:
natural catastrophes (tornadoes, blizzards, earthquakes volcanoes, floods, fire drought etc.) that may decrease a population of animals
Effects to the environment (building, farming etc)
Other factors (natural fluctuations caused by natural survival rates, and population density (too many animals on a given piece of land)
All factors (usually but sometimes by themselves to) work together to impact survival or extinction of a species.
Sometimes studies have shown the persistence of (sometimes small) populations over periods of 50, 75 and 100 years
There is a rule (of thumb)of 50/ 500 meaning that a minimum of 50 animals must be present with a minimum of 6 breeding pairs to allow a species to survive in the short term.
There is a rule (of thumb) of 500 animals needed for survival of 100 years or more in order to have enough genetic variation to survive and thrive in the long term.
However, Monster Hunter is correct in saying that there is not enough information:
"There are no robust rules of thumb for estimating MVP sizes for species lacking population models or other detailed information on their demography or changes in abundance over time;"
In other words for an unknown species... no one has solid answers about population rates and or size.
MK...The best of the Patty film...by Monster Hunter
The URLs are right but...by Monster Hunter
The first one no problem...the next and the rest say server problem...maybe they who ever they are will get this straightened out...
I watched them all with no problems. After watching the entire series, if an individual does not believe that the creature in the film is real, then they just don't want to believe. I'm not even sure slapping them in the face with the hand of a captured of killed one will convince them. The evidence is pretty obvious for an objective veiwer.
I watched them yesterday...by Monster Hunter
If you still think it's a man in a suit then you are in a state of denial...
I watched them all with no problems. After watching the entire series, if an individual does not believe that the creature in the film is real, then they just don't want to believe. I'm not even sure slapping them in the face with the hand of a captured of killed one will convince them. The evidence is pretty obvious for an objective veiwer.
Some weird items in the long neck picture...by Monster Hunter
Starting to the left going right of the picture...
1st red box...a Monster standing by the old cooler trailer...
2ND...Two somethings standing in the clearing...this is an open area...I had a video camera stationed to see down this isle...few weeds but an open area all the way back to the pine tree behind them...
3rd...is a face which could be nothing more than matrixing...
4Th...smaller box is Ms. Francis small female dog...she survives by keeping her mouth shut when Monsters are around...
5TH...is the long neck creature/Monster/ghost/something...this is where it appears there is a horses head next to and on the left of long neck...
6Th...I have no idea what this is...just plum strange...skinny legs, large head or maybe a lot of hair...
7Th...I believe to be Monster...I know from looking at this we're suppose to see the bottom of the porch post and know from being there many times this is not there...
This is when we need a skeptic to explain...by Monster Hunter
what these things are in the boxes other then the dog...and then...they would argue about the dog...I know what makes a die hard skeptic...a person who would rather sit on their arse and be critical than go into areas where there are strange occurring events...Their favorite argument...that's nothing but matrixing...you want to see it so you see it...
That's way to many of them in one area, Talk about dang scary. Those things aren't scared of a dang thing. Thanks for posting the pic jim
I don't see anything but trees. I will happily go to this property and debunk the concept that above and beyond a giant ape-like cryptid existing, so too do a number of minotaurs. This is absurd.
Three things...by Monster Hunter
First...you're not a skeptic...if you were you wouldn't be here in the first place...
Secondly...you're blind as a bat...
Thirdly...you live in Georgia and post as nwlouisiana...?
Now run along and go play with the other children...
He would probably urinate profusely ( among other things) about the time a monster decided to get up close and personal.
I know, I don't have the cred you do. I'm a skeptic that you have a farm of minotaurs; I do consider the existence of an honest to goodness unknown hominid to be quite realistic. So my interest in this site. Yes, I lurk, and since you were close, sorta, to figuring out where I live, you might look at how long ago I joined this site. I joined when I lived in Caddo Parish. So, no need to change nicknames, but in the spirit of disclosure I actually live in the Florida panhandle in Walton County. Frankly, if you contend to have a farm of minotaurs I think that is fantastic. Magical. So good luck, I really do hope you get one, maybe you could be a modern day Theseus.
I haven't seen a Minotaur...Yet...by Monster Hunter
My credentials are like most who have an earnest desire to figure out, find or come to a conclusion of what these Monsters are...no different then other hobbies I would suppose other then what I pursue is considered mythical...
I have no problem with skeptics...my problem only lies with skeptics when they call me a liar...I've heard I've hunted all my life, I've hiked all over the country, fished everywhere, camped everywhere...what that tells me...you just didn't know what was around you...as an example...a friend drives up and meets me at Ms. Shirley's...we met a man who claimed to have no doubt BF photos...he didn't but he took us down to the creek where he had the camera...we walked away from the jeep with me walking down the creek...I hear a low growl and something else...CRS at the moment...my friend hears something as well...we get back to the jeep and my friend sees a Monster on all fours come to a tree and peek out on both sides at about two hundred yards...I looked but couldn't see anything because of the distance and brush...I asked this man if he heard anything...he told me no...this man didn't know what to listen for but we did...could be all the skeptics who claimed they grew up hunting, fishing and camping had Monsters around but didn't know what to listen for...
You should have contacted me while you lived in Caddo Parrish...my bark is worse then my bite and besides I always needed someone with an interest in Monsters to help me snoop around...
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Good luck with your project-I hope you find something spectacular. I'm trying to run down one of these skunkapes. Got some sound but no pics.
Hang in there...by Monster Hunter
You can't catch a fish unless you have a hook in the water so to catch a Monster you have to be patient and persevere...
To the right of long neck...by Monster Hunter
and to our left it appears there is a smaller Monster standing next to the long necked critter...I can see the horse head but IMO that's a smaller Monster right behind what appears to be a horses head...
I emailed the long neck picture to Lone Wolf...by Monster Hunter
He sent it back...if y'all remember the Ghost Hunters caught what they thought was a younger girl humming on Ms. Shirley's back porch back in July of this year...though the picture was taken at Ms. Francis home they live about 120 yards from each other...BTW...Lone Wolf thinks this could be a little girl...
Did you ever send Lone Wolf the pic of my horse to get his opinion?
I sent him the original photo Grumpy...by Monster Hunter
May or may not have mentioned anything about a horse...but I will ask...
That is downright spooky looking! But I know how spooky it is over there now!!!
At least whatever that is doesn't have to put on a costume for Halloween. LOL
I usually don't see anything in these pictures, but I see that clearly. WOW!
So, it may be a little girl. Much clearer in my opinion than some shots I've seen of Monsters. Does it appear to anyone else that "the legs" are almost see-through or do I need my eyes examined?
But if that is a little girl - she is the ugliest little girl on the planet!
If you guys get any more weirdo pictures I would love to see them. Might be that my friend who knows the local Shaman, might give him a look and maybe he will recognize what them things are.
I think what you see as a child's face - is distorted by a branch or weed closer to the camera...but what is behind it is what I am talking about. There is a figure there with what looks like a NA hairstyle.
are as pretty as I was as a little girl. LOL
But now I see it does resemble a pale child with black eyes. Please google Black Eyed Children. It reminded me of those stories some.
Go google images of black eyed kids. It is a recent and burgeoning phenomenon
Black Eye d Kids...by Monster Hunter
I googled...black eyes kids...according to this one site claimed they were soul eaters...non human...some type of insect...had stories about people having contact with them...unfortunately there were not any names mentioned, I suppose to protect the innocent, so it is my opinion...the writer of the site is full of sxxx...
Has any information about the black eyes kids been formally documented?...any reports that can be verified?...I'm not much on believing the hocus pocus concerning anything let alone a soul eating black eyed kid...Maybe I'll witness this first hand and if I do...I'll post the outcome if I'm capable...
I have no idea what that is in the picture...ghost/haint/spook/monster...I do know where the picture was taken and know that Monsters have been seen and photographed in that area...are they connected somehow?...kind of like that web site I mentioned above...no concrete evidence just here say so we can let our imaginations run wild thinking and believing what ever pops in our heads...I'll not be influenced by a fictional writer...
but to me ALL ghosts are really demons in disguise (demonic impersonation).
unfortunately, are real.
That is a pretty definitive statement. I have yet to read any credible account of any actual witness.
I have witnessed this with my own eyes on more than one occasion.
One was a child, which I will not go into details for personal reasons.
The other was an adult male who was demon possessed.
He was intimidating a neighbor by screaming and throwing deer entrails (of a deer he shot I assume) around his own yard and into the yard of my friend.
When I confronted him he turned and stared at me, he had no white to his eyes.
They were as black as coal and as lifeless as a doll.
After saying a few things to him, he ran inside.
Another neighbor called police, he was arrested, and never seen again. When the cops brought him outside in cuffs, his eyes appeared normal.
I'll let you all be the judges as to my "credibility".
I imagine your neighbor throwing the entrails always had pure black eyes?
You say he was possessed, then was normal after the police came. Doesn't sound like all the BEK tales. Sounds more like overdosed on one of the many street drugs that will make you pupils as big as saucers and make you a lunatic.
But I imagine you ruled that possibility out, since you never saw him again. You don't mention if you ever saw him before this incident either.
Being temporarily possessed doesn't make one a BEK either. Makes one temporarily possessed.
I don't know you, so I can't judge your credibility.
I imagine you think you saw one or two of them, and are convinced. I still maintain my argument that there is no such thing based on the evidence presented.
that always make me sorry I bothered to share my experiences.
You didn't share much. So I should take it on faith that what you say is gospel.
There are a lot of epileptic drugs that cause what you are describing as well.
In fact there are many prescription and non that cause those effects.
All the stories go back to 1 man in 1998. There is nothing mentioned before that anywhere. Your encounter does not match any of the stories.
Did you feel a sense of dread.....didn't say.
Was the BE person extreme;y polite...sounds quite the opposite.
Did he ask to come into your house....no - he ran away.
I have read your stories of paranormal events. I have had many similar events happen. Although I do not go around like I am a ghost or demon expert. I am curious. And I am skeptical of stories that start from the Internet.
BEK's started on the Internet.
You can sell your wares to someone else.
Respectfully, just my opinion.
I didn't say anything comparing my observations to your internet story, I simply made a statement that based on my observations on two occasions black eyed humans are real.
I have no idea what BEK's are as related to your stories.
I know the difference between drug affected or demon possessed.
As to my credibility you can question it all you want, I don't post to satisfy your "curiosity".
I could care less if you believe what I say or not. Impressing internet strangers is not my motivation.
I post that I may help someone that is being plagued by evil spirits or other paranormal events.
There are people that are suffering daily due to ghosts or demonic oppression. These people often seek my help.
Regarding your comment of "you can sell your wares to someone else", not sure what you might be insinuating with that.
You sound very bitter.......
I have helped dozens of people over several years free themselves from evil, at great danger to myself, free of charge.
I would never charge anyone anything for using what I consider is a gift from God.
Respectfully, just my experiences.
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Goes back to this guy starting it all
Most BEK accounts are stories found online in blogs, message boards, newsgroups and the like. In fact, the first known posting of a BEK incident was posted by Brian Bethel onto a newgroup he was a member of. It was on January 16, 1998 when Bethel posted to his newsgroup
This Bethel is now a "Spiritual Writer" for a small newspaper, and my guess a failed wanna be novelist.
Before his story in 1998 there are no known references to BEK's. Since then on the Internet there are a lot of stories. But outside of Internet stories, it all goes back the Brian Bethel starting it all.
dark-eyed, empty socket-eyed children on many paranormal sights. BEKs may be an extension of that phenomena?
Just because something is on the Internet, it does not mean it is real.
I head ofg them back in 2000, and still have not read any credible evidence.
January 1998 First BEK Encounter Reported
Brian Bethel's Account
First off, Brian Bethel is and was at the time of his experience with BEKs, a legitimate reporter. Here's a current link for a profile on him by his employer, the Reporter-News in Abilene Texas:http://www.reporternews.com/staff/brian-bethel/
Bethel posted online after he calmed (somewhat) from the experience he had with BEKs in January 1998. He said he had just parked his car in a lot near to a movie theatre as well as the internet service provider he used. He was sitting in his vehicle, writing out a cheque for payment to his service provider when two youngsters approached his car. There were two boys but Bethel doesn't mention them knocking on his car window or anything - he just says as soon as he noticed them approaching, he felt suddenly panicky and "an overwhelming sense of fear and unearthliness rushed in..."
More, in Bethel's own words:
"The spokesman smiled, and the sight for some inexplicable reason chilled my blood. I could feel fight-or-flight responses kicking in. Something, I knew instinctually, was not right, but I didn't know what it could possibly be.
I rolled down the window very, very slightly and asked "Yes?"
The spokesman smiled again, broader this time. His teeth were very, very white.
"Hey, mister, what's up? We have a problem," he said. His voice was that of a young man, but his diction, quiet calm and ... something I still couldn't put my finger on ... made my desire to flee even greater. "You see, my friend and I want to see the films, but we forgot our money," he continued. "We need to go to our house to get it. Want to help us out?"
"C'mon, mister. Let us in. We can't get in your car until you do, you know," the spokesman said soothingly. "Just let us in, and we'll be gone before you know it. We'll go to our mother's house."
We locked eyes."
From here, Bethel was horrified to find his hand straying toward the door lock, beginning to unlock his car door. He jerked his hand free of the locking mechanism and also broke off eye contact with the strange children at this point.
"I turned back. "Er ... Um ..." I offered weakly and then my mind snapped into sharp focus.
For the first time, I noticed their eyes.
They were coal black. No pupil. No iris. Just two staring orbs reflecting the red and white light of the marquee."
At this point, Bethel took the opportunity to put his car in gear, step on the gas pedal and he raced out of the parking lot.
Later on, he posted the experience online.
Talking about BEK... Reminded me of the...by Monster Hunter
Half grown Monster I saw up close and personal... I saw the eyes ... But I didn't see any white...
Monster...driver sees a BF...by Monster Hunter
This happened on Hwy 123...leaving Louisiana into Texas there is Mill Creek and an old chicken farm...know the area real well...deer and coon hunted all along the creek...as the crow flies...about 5 or 6 miles to MC...guesstimate...
That wasby Grumpy
just one from MC on a Walk-a-Bout looking for you......
Good to be loved...by Monster Hunter
Even if it is a Monster...
They just got smarter and quieter.
a hug from you. LOL
I could handle a hug Don...by Monster Hunter
But that's as far as I'll go...
ain't right LOL
I'll see if I can't catch up with him.
Another MK YouTube...by Monster Hunter
was quite interesting...
MK has some new YouTube videos...by Monster Hunter
The only question I have is the movement appears to occur in the tops of the trees as well as on the ground, which may suggest it was the movement of the sun and not a creature unless it was an extremely large creature. I have no explanation why it does appear to move from left to right then right to left either. It is one of those videos that seems to contradict itself if such a thing can occur. Anyone with any further explanation?
Happened around 11:30 PM...by Monster Hunter
I went to bed at 9:30 so I didn't hear anything...
Woke up feeling like death warmed over Wednesday morning to hear Silver Fox say that North Texas and Oklahoma both had earthquakes of 3.1 or higher the night before. He was trying to connect my not feeling well with those earthquakes, I suppose.
Woke up feeling like death warmed over Wednesday morning to hear Silver Fox say that North Texas and Oklahoma both had earthquakes of 3.1 or higher the night before. He was trying to connect my not feeling well with those earthquakes, I suppose.
Short second hand report...by Monster Hunter
That I will verify next time I'm down...
Older man sitting on his back porch...has some rather large trees in his back yard and noticed what he thought was a kid in the tree...walked out to the tree to run him off when he said a large monkey jumped from the tree and ran off...
Just a note to let you know all your hard work doesn't go unappreciated. Thanks for all you do
MK is a helluva guy and his work does not go unappreciated.
Keep up the great work MK.
I think most enjoy MK and his hard work...by Monster Hunter
but I do understand those who don't...it's easy to be critical...
Here's an astronomical/meteorological event you don't see everyday. The wife and I were traveling back to East Texas and I snapped a picture of the top of this thunderstorm an instant before two blue jets shot out of the top of it. The picture is a little misleading because the storm was much higher than we were. The jets came out right at the two light spots an instant after I took this photo. We were close and they were spectacular. They lit up the whole cabin with bright blue light. After I did a little reading up, what you see here are the "blue starts" which precede the jets. This photo apparently shows something very rare, and something modern science knows very little about. I've seen the sprites ans elves before, but this is the first time I've ever got a good look at jets. And, we got a GOOD LOOK! For those wanting to do a little research, google "red sprites" and "elves" and "blue jets."
A storm with cloud tops that high has a lot of electrical potential. When the tops get close enough to the ionosphere, some weird stuff happens that is poorly understood. It's a rare thing to get a good look at this type of phenomenon. Good photo Steve! M.K.
hi i am in stokes co and i seen a post on the site from some one in winston salem and thay want to go look for bigfoot at nite and want some one to go with them and said thay wood go if someone will go with them and i love every thing about bigfoot so if you can contact them and let them no i will go becose i rilly want to see one for myself i have had something walking beside me in the woods and i have herd things to but any way please get in tuch with the one that posted that thay wanted someone to go with them in the woods and look let them no i will thank you very much and hope to here from them soon please let them no i rilly want to do this if thay go with me also thank you agean very much i am in stokes co in germanton
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Margie...by Monster Hunter
To get any information regarding reports or going out on one of our reports you must be a member of our organization...that applies to anyone interested...no exceptions...
To check on becoming a member if interested drop us an email at the address posted on the forum...
Fifteen years ago, Utah-based prospector William A. Barnes was on a solo gold-dredging expedition in the wilds of Northern California. One night, he heard something disturbing the rocks in the canyon above his campsite. He proceeded to watch as that indistinct something came trudging downhill, until it stood only about three feet (.9 meters) from his tent. At that point, upon seeing its size, shape, and profile against the brightly-moonlit quartz hillside, he became a firm believer in the legendary creature commonly referred to as Bigfoot or Sasquatch. In the years since, he has become obsessed with researching the animals. Now, as the founder of The Falcon Project, he hopes to prove their existence once and for all with the help of a state-of-the-art remote-control camera-equipped airship.
So, why an airship? Unlike ground-based human explorers, it will be able to travel quickly and quietly over any terrain, it will have a high vantage point, and it will be able to see down between the trees. It also wont need to stop and catch its breath or rest its feet.
The 45-foot (13.7-meter)-long Aurora airship will be the first one of its kind, designed and built by Canadian remote-control airship company RATS (Remote Aerial Tripods) Inc. It will consist of tandem side-by-side helium-filled envelopes, joined by a gyro-stabilized carbon fiber camera platform. That catamaran-like design will help keep it from rolling from side to side, which can be a problem with traditional single-envelope airships.
It will additionally feature a proprietary propulsion system, in which air will be drawn in and vectored through four ducts. This will allow for vertical take-off and landing capabilities, hovering on the spot, and more energy-efficient operation than traditional propellor-based systems.
Casts of what could be Bigfoot footprints (Image: Dr. Jeff Meldrum)
The Aurora will reportedly have a top air speed of 45 mph (72 km/h), and will be able to remain aloft for approximately three to four hours at a time. It will be remotely-piloted by Barnes and his team from a command center in a customized motorhome, and will be switched over to autopilot once it has reached altitude. Once switched over, it will be able to autonomously perform an aerial grid search, over an area within line-of-sight of the motorhomes mast Barnes estimates that its range could extend up to five miles (eight km) in any direction from the command center.
Mounted on the airship will be a gyro-stabilized thermal imaging/infrared/HD video camera, which is being built specifically for the project. The aircraft will also be equipped with carbon dioxide-recognition equipment, to detect the exhalations of animals in the forests beneath it. Barnes hopes to become familiar with the CO2 signatures of common creatures such as bears, so that he wont get unnecessarily excited by every reading he gets. When something unusual shows up, however, the team will use to the cameras powerful zoom lens to get a better look at it, while recording the images.
The ground crew will also be playing back and recording infrasound, as some people have theorized that Bigfoots use it to communicate with one another.
William A. Barnes, founder of The Falcon Project
Barnes told Gizmag that it should take less than an hour to assemble the airship every evening, after which it will embark on several flights each night. Its camera output will be streamed live on the internet, although there will be a kill switch in the command center should a Bigfoot be spotted, viewers will only see the first few seconds, with the rest of the footage being saved for a planned educational documentary for the public. He hopes to record at least 45 minutes of smooth, clear Bigfoot footage (or perhaps Bigfootage?) for use in that film, half of the proceeds of which will go towards educating the public in wilderness conservation.
RATS, Inc. president Stephen Barkley said that he has hopes for the airship to be ready by early next spring (Northern Hemisphere). Once it is ready, Barnes plans on spending up to one year on the road, visiting Bigfoot-sighting hotspots in a total of 12 states.
Principal investigator on the project will be anthropologist Dr. Jeff Meldrum of Idaho State University, who has been an active Bigfoot researcher for the past 17 years. "The prospect of compelling DNA evidence for a relict North American primate looms on the horizon and may indicate that a corner is about to be turned," Meldrum told us. "[However] DNA sequence data can only tell us so much about sasquatch. What follows will be the challenge of studying a rare, reclusive, solitary, nocturnal primate species in the field. Aerial reconnaissance combined with thermal imaging, widely employed in wildlife studies, is a logical approach to meeting this challenge. The Falcon Project offers the advantage of the stealth and maneuverability capabilities of an unmanned helium-filled airship, over helicopter and fixed-wing aircraft. This is especially true in rugged remote forested terrain."
Idaho State University anthropologist Dr. Jeff Meldrum, with the cast of a footprint attributed to you-know-who
Not only will his involvement help lend the venture some mainstream credibility, but it will also allow Barnes to take the airship higher as a civilian pilot he would be limited to an altitude of no more than 400 feet (122 meters), but as a member of a scientific expedition associated with a university, he can take it up to 7,500 feet (2,286 meters) or more.
The Falcon Project has been in the works for nearly three years, although the universitys involvement has helped make the actual expedition a lot more likely to happen. Barnes and his team are now seeking private funding or corporate sponsorship, although members of the public are also welcome to provide tax-deductible funding via the projects website.
Were all about educating people on these creatures, he told us. Our goal is protection for them.
Barnes, incidentally, doesnt like to use the terms Bigfoot or Sasquatch, as he feels that they have become too closely associated with hoaxes and sensationalism. Instead, he prefers to call them North American apes or hominoids. Whatever you call them, and whether or not they actually exist, we definitely wish him luck in his endeavor.
Interesting article T and Thanks but since...by Monster Hunter
they are being developed in Canada would you mind running by and picking me one up after it's finished...thanks in advance...in these thickets we would need more then thermal to study these Monsters...
A few days ago I put a sound file on the forum. It is filled with strange sounds that I do not have answers for. The reason I put it up was to suggest that perhaps whatever is in this area is keeping an eye on me very quickly when I enter the canopy and following me into the areas that I have outlined as trail in, first clearing, side of the hill between first and second clearing trail,and second clearing However, once I cross the creek another group may be following me. The very first vocalization on the audio I put up may actually be two sources with one in the clearing and the double grunt coming from close proximity to my position.
I repeated the sound here:
This is going to sound crazy but I am going to suggest that the female and some juveniles stay in the first clearing and travel to the second clearing and a group of males stay across the creek. I have heard the female vocalize once in the first clearing and at the creek. The screaming I have on audio I think is also the female.I have not heard the female on the other side of the creek.
I have heard what I believe to be a male (and group) vocalize across the creek once and a single vocal once (I have an audio of the single vocalization) but have not heard these vocalizations in the first clearing or trail in... only across the creek.
So let me talk about the first clearing. there are two places I have seen anomalies around in order to hide quickly due to the cover. If you will note this is the first clearing. I am facing north and you can see the anomaly I have outlined in previous posts on the right of the picture in the back:
Between those two trees on the left is where I saw one standing. I walked close to the bush trying to get a better angle to view and get pictures when the screams began.
The other place is what I want to talk about. This is where The woodknocks, metal knocks and rock clacking have taken place. I believe that as I am walking here there is a location just above the trail on the hill where I can be observed and where the noises are coming from:
This is the first set of wood knocks as I was walking the perimeter of the field. You will note two timbres. In all fairness someone told me this is a woodpecker (June 30)
This is the second set of wood knocks that occurred a few minutes later:
These are the metal knocks that occurred in September. The first one occurred just on the other side of the group of three trees and sounded within 30 feet of my position on the trail just up the hill. I stopped then went back the way I came in.
The second and third metal knocks were taken when I was standing by then fence here:
This is rock clacking from June 30th. This is from the same area on the hill. I walked about 3/4 of the way to the dead tree and when the rock clacking really began to go faster I walked back the way i came in. When I got to the area about where I heard the metal knocks. The rock clacking stopped.
about the woodpecker. The rock clacking sounds like a bird or marsh creature local to your area as well. (I say marsh cause I hear the male redwinged blackbird calling.) I think if you take someone with you who's familiar with the birds and animals in that area (naturalist or bird watcher) that you would easily identify what you are hearing. Good work though!
I enjoyed listending to the sounds. When I first heard the sound of the rock hitting, I thought it was a Cardinal chirping but the closer I listened the more I recognized that it was a definite pattern of hits and not like a Cardinal at all. Educational.
After listening...by Monster Hunter
The wood knocking sounds could very well be from a wood pecker...but...the bird would starve to death working that slow...most wood peckers I have watched and heard peck much faster...not louder but faster looking for insects and grubs...
Rock clacking...I hear something but couldn't tell what it was...like T mentioned...could have been a marsh critter...
metal on metal...I can hear it plainly but what I have heard on several occasions is like someone walking through the woods hitting metal to metal in a rhythmic fashion...something like a base drum to keep the marchers in stride...sorry...I couldn't think of any other comparison...
Very interesting I did enjoy the sounds, pictures and your descriptive report...keep working...
Thanks for sharing...
The woodknocks I do not believe are from a woodpecker although I did record two woodpeckers that day. The sounds are deeper, much slower than the woodpeckers that I had recorded and actually sounded as wood on wood. Part of the problem may be the recorder that I am using which records very "tinny" and does not have the "headroom" to get the sounds just as I have heard them.It also does not record in stereo.
That metal sound I have no idea about but at one point it was actually moving down hill away from me as it was moving.
The rock clacking I believed when it first occurred as I was there, I thought it may have been a creek critter...as it went faster I could hear that it was two rocks hitting together....but did I see anything...no
The reason I am putting much of this out there including pictures and locations is because I don't intend to research this much longer than through the summer...
You're doing a good job Circlewalker...by Monster Hunter
Don't get discouraged...I've gone for months without seeing or hearing anything in areas of activity...it's easy to give up but sometimes hard to keep grinding...what we see and hear are what you include in your interesting reports...we're not there experiencing what you personally experience...
You need to click here
Not my style Jim...by Monster Hunter
Makes my head hurt like mine did my dad's years back...
that's ANYONE'S style Jim.
So what are you saying....I should stop doing the horse dance?
Ok..... I will film myself doing the horse dance to PHY's "Gangnam Style" if someone makes a half way decent donation to BFR. Whatever it takes.
Keep in mind I have 12 awards from my disco days in the late 70's
OK, I'm impressed! lol
Although picturing J.K. with poofy hair and KISS boots at a disco makes me think the proper word IS disci!!! Disci Jim! lol
Like "My Sharona" or whatever.
that's the closest anyone ever got to writing a song using my first name. But my loveable old Orthodontist always made my day when I came to his office to get my wires tightened by calling me "Sharona." Finest man I've ever met. He made braces affordable for my hard-working parents.
Good for you!
Always the grunt..I love ya
I watched it waiting to see a dancing bigfoot somewhere.
I have seen all week - and am sharing with a few friends.
"Because the world won't allow it to be anything else...."
So be it.
Dying is easy...living is the hard part.
Did you ever wonder why something so big, and so tall could ever escape detection???
Because the world won't allow it to be anything else....and YOU.my wonderful crew, are the pawns that keep the fire burning.
Rock and roll.
they get seen all the time. They're just blurry is all LOL
MK Davis...you'll have to listen to this several times...by Monster Hunter
The chart sent to MK Davis...by Monster Hunter
without speaking with MK the sounds in the above apparently come from the spikes you see on the left hand side of the chart...
The sounds that are similar...by: MK Davis...by Monster Hunter
Mystery of two identical UFO's almost 1,000 miles apart caught on Google Street Viewby Monster Hunter
Gee that's odd!
I have no idea what it actually is but...by Monster Hunter
it appears to be one of those flying saucers people have claimed to have been seeing for years...no doubt...it is odd...
Too many good people having sightings just to dismiss it all.
I have seen those Google cam cars and the camera is inder a dome like structure mounted on top of the car.
I am putting my money on it being a reflection off of a piece of equipment inside the dome where the camera is mounted.
Looking at the proximity to the sun, maybe the inside reflection of the dome made something look "Saucer shaped"?
I agree that's what it is.
You can move several miles from that street location in Jacksonville and still see a "ufo" in the image. Maybe the UFO is trying to abduct the Google camera car?
You two have it going on.:.by Monster Hunter
Since I know nothing about their equipment used I'm sure I would have always thought UFO....
Quick, go to the google street view for 405 East Main Street, Teague, Tx. Then, look straight north, and look up! They're coming I tell ya! They're coming!
Rhonda...you can contact Jay Mike...by Monster Hunter
through face book...We will not put up any of your personal information for your protection...
I was thinking about Shirley's home. Do the have lights around the house? Are they "motion " activated. I know the monsters don't want to be in the light if it can be helped. And I know you said the cameras haven't been all that successful.
If they are drawn the one area in particular, like the bedroom window, the obivious place to put a discreet camera or light would be there. Just wondering, sounds like a real active place.
There are lights including...by Monster Hunter
a motion sensor light at Ms. Shirley's home...weird thing when it comes on...we'll at times see what causes the light to come on, usually their dogs, but at times it comes on and there's nothing there...could be a bad sensor and we do have a video camera pointed in the direction that should pick up any movement...
I have a a night light only at Ms. Francis... At this time she has it unplugged since we moved the camera system to Ms. Shirley's where there was on going activity...but both places have on going activity so I need to put up another video system at Ms. Francis which I'll do...
One night while investigating behind Ms. Francis home I saw a slender tall something run from behind Ms. Shirley's home...saw this with my eyes since there was an outside light on and BTW using thermal I saw the Monster that has an over bite before I saw this thing run...looked to be around seven ft. tall...I do firmly believe this is the one responsible for the growling sounds at night especially when the ladies come home at night...I think he enjoys scaring them with his sinister growls...
The bedroom window at Ms. Francis home...it's on the south side of the home without any light at all...I need a .0003 lux camera hidden where I can monitor that area since there's not any light...
At Ms Shirley's...how the cameras are set there are some dead areas...seems the Monsters know about these dead areas...Doug was planning on moving a camera so we could see the north side of the home and front porch where there is some activity...
Trial and error...we do the best we can...Doug, when he comes in, has more then he can say grace over taking care of his home but does the best he can with his limited amount of time...I live about 2 hours away...bad knees along with a bad back limits what I can do at this time...going today to make an appointment to have my right knee replaced...get that one healed and going for the left knee...then the vertebrae in the neck...LOL...I am falling apart...
Thanks for the info and reply. I sure think they are a heck of lot smarter than people think!
It is very intersting for sure. Sorry about your health issues. I know what it's like. "kind-a" messed up too. Stage 4 cancer going through that stupid chemo. Some days I barely make it to the "little room".
My knees are replaceable...by Monster Hunter
Stage four cancer and then chemo?...That's no fun at all...I have a nephew that just went through chemo...my prayers are with you my friend...serious disease but medicine has come a long ways in curing some cancers...may God bless and cure you...we need all the Monster Hunters we can get...
stay strong, and believe you will beat it.....i have had colon polyps twice, once malignant, and been thru the chemo and surgery, and survived....two years later, another one, but woith grace of god was non malignant.....think positive, and fight on...
and Jim, Im only 48, and have had both knees replaced, trust me, best choice you will ever make, pain free, and is wonderful....one thing to ask the docs is if they do the procedure that cuts the tendon, or dont....if they dont, will significantly reduce recovery time (by 2/3)....cutting the tendon is what causes the long recovery, not the actual replacement
Thanks for the heads up Scott...by Monster Hunter
I'll tell the saw bones to leave them be...going the 30 th of the month to have them both replaced...
You have my sympathies and are now in my prayers. Keep the faith!
The comment I made that began with, "whoever you are" sounded harsh in the light of re-reading it. I addressed you in that way because, for some reason, I thought I was posting under those comments made by an "Annonymous." NOW retracting that rude "whoever" with this--Cochise, stay strong and keep the faith. All things are possible for them who believe!
Thank you for all the good wishes
I am the "new guy" Folowed the forums here for over ten years, never had time to post until I got sick.
A brief bio.......................I am 63 years old. I was born in Illinois, father in Wisconsin. I spent many summers visitng realatives there. I guess that is where I started loving the country. I worked construction, a licensed general contractor, I worked all over the country. I had a crew of Native Americans (different tribes) who traveled with me. I am a veteran '68 /'72 USN 2 years fleet, 2 yrs in the Teams. I had the privlage to make friends working out of town and hunting out of state with them was common. Out of season, I spent my time fishing. I tried to keep my drinking in check while working months in different states by spending time in woods.....This is a beautiful country and love wandering around by myself.
I hope to get back out there again some day.
I've got you by three years. And I know the pain of achy joints but fortunately not the pain of cancer, from a personal perspective. YOU WILL get out there again. Keep the faith.
I have been thinking about how to present the different things I have found and I have been unable to think about a logical sequence that would make the things I present make sense. So I am just going to present what I can.
I am going to start with the trail in on June 30th. Then the woodknock and Metal knock comparison between June 20th and September 27th.I will also add the rock clacking because I want to make a point.(at a later date) Finally I would like to go back to the fence pictures.
This is a clip of sound anomalies I took on June 30th of this year. There are all kinds of weird sounds in this clip. I condensed the sounds because the website/host won't take anything over 10mb. Most of the sounds in real time begin 14 minutes after leaving my vehicle as I am going down the trail in and stop at 17 + minutes after I reach the end of the trail that opens to a field.Just as a frame of reference before I could get to the end of the field the first woodknock occurred.
Just a couple of things here. The audio recorder is not attached anywhere on my body but is instead attached to the plastic spine of a backpack. On the shoulder of the spine I have attached a rod holder and the audio recorder sits inside the rod holder. The level is slightly higher than my ear but behind my shoulder. The rod holder is plastic and I have it taped with grey tape to both keep the audio recorder snug and cushion it so it won't hit the plastic side picking up extraneous noise.
I recommend ear phones and I think the most important sounds are the very first one which is some kind of scream from pretty far away (about 2 seconds in) and the last two which seem to be articulated as opposed to just grunts. If you have capability I would isolate the last one to play a couple of times. I will add a couple of pictures so the terrain can be seen.
Re: Sound anomaliesby Monster Hunter
Okay...down loaded everything and still can't get to your files...I tried...
I tried it 3 times before I posted and it worked... Now I can't get it to do anything ...Can anyone either post The audio for me or tell me how to do it?
No big deal and...by Monster Hunter
I haven't posted any sound wavs before so I'm no help...
Network 54 says this about sound files...by Monster Hunter
Real Audio Sound Files work
December 18 2000 at 10:09 AM
No score for this post Ira Frankel (Login pmhslog)
from IP address 220.127.116.11
New Orleans, Louisiana
Response to Can we put sounds on Forums?
There doesn't seem to be any problem putting Real Audio Magagement files in a posting. for instance:
This was done with the source: (carets replaced by square brackets)
Remember: You must point to a RAM file, not the RA file itself,
and also the Real Audio Player must have enabled the playing of sound
clips from web links under View/Preferences/Performance (as it usually is)...
Different file host...I apologize for the last one. I tried three times and it seems to work.
I can get there...by Monster Hunter
I see your file but it wouldn't open to play...
Opens fine and plays for me..... n/tby Grumpy
Me too, but I'm not sure what I am supposed to hear. All I hear are birds and the shuffling in the background of what I can only assume to be the individual making the recording. Am I missing something?
Still nothing...by Monster Hunter
I'll see if the tower will open it...lap top says no...
I will outline what I hear on the timeline. I have listened to this so often that what is evident to me (as not me) my not be so evident to other listeners. These are subtle so you will really have to listen and possibly use head phones. You may also have to isolate and play these sounds over since they are so short.
2 seconds--Double grunt and scream--I believe these to be separate not the same
33 seconds -- grunt
36 seconds -- grunt
39 seconds I am not sure what this sound is... Possible vocalization/scream.
42 seconds 3 rhythmic sound anomalies. I don't know what it is
51 seconds double grunt
54 Seconds grunt
58 Seconds triple grunt with a higher sounding ending noise
I heard what I can only be described as sounds made by a "monkey" or "ape".
Very clear though. Lots of birds chirrping, too. Thanks for posting. I always enjoy listening to the unidentified and identified sounds of nature.
I tried downloading the attached site to help hear the sounds and got one he** of a virus on my computer that I still haven't been able to get rid of for 2 days!
This maybe old news to all of you here but I thought I would bring it to your attention in the event someone hasn't heard of these. I wonder if these suits would give any advantage to monster hunters? That's the primary reason I am interested.
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the problem I see w/ anyone trying to attempt to get close to these thigns is that when stalking one or waiting around for one the individual doesnt remain motionless for prolonged periods of time...regardless of camo-design. I mean imagine your inside your home and you notice something is out of place due to its physical orientation have been manipulated only a small amount. Same thing here, I imagine these things not only smell the plastic soles of your boots and gun oil in the action wafting downwind, but a small movement by the person would probably cue it to stay far away, these things eat deer and we all know how skittish they are around humans...imagine having acute senses enough to be able to get close enough to chase a deer down, if they can do that..then the records speak for themselves on how well they can evade human detection by counter observation tactics. Its one thing to know someones around or somethign isnt right in an area, its another thing to be able to do it proficiently for hundreds of years.
I've been close enough to deer to reach out and touch them, and it had nothing to do with some magic suit. And, if this HECS principle were true, why would we need things like FLIR and night vision to detect enemy forces? We could just build a high-power HECS detection unit.
Tricking known critters...by Monster Hunter
ain't that difficult...kill your scent and be still...Monsters are a bit harder like real hard...but we have discussed many items here before to do while in the field whether you hunt with a rifle or your camera...
scent is key.
any good camo, being completely still and total scent control.
Interesting article about HECS suits...what it actually does...by Monster Hunter
What I learned is that critters can not only see your game camera glow like a Christmas tree - But they can also sense the EMF that it emits when turned on.
That - explains a lot of mysteries.
I thought that article was interesting myself Scott...by Monster Hunter
and I liked your above post...accurate IMHO...
How does one shield gear, like a game camera - from emitting EMF signals?
Another commonly used shielding method, especially with electronic goods housed in plastic enclosures, is to coat the inside of the enclosure with a metallic ink or similar material. The ink consists of a carrier material loaded with a suitable metal, typically copper or nickel, in the form of very small particulates. It is sprayed on to the enclosure and, once dry, produces a continuous conductive layer of metal, which can be electrically connected to the chassis ground of the equipment, thus providing effective shielding.
Something to think about.
quite amazing the pieces that were put together..
Theories are Interesting...by Monster Hunter
The problem as I see it...we will never know...IMHO...these bone diggers cannot be trusted...they get funded for discovery...without some type of discovery no funding therefore they may actually find something of importance but their simple solution (maybe not all) they exaggerate what they discover for further funding...Just my opinion...
It was an interesting well written article...
Another YouTube by MK...by Monster Hunter
MK thanks for sharring,by Grumpy
I enjoyed that one!!!
Grump man, can you imagine what my face would have looked like had we heard that on the banks of the river that hot summer night? I think I would have done a little more than just unsnap my gun holster!
it sounds like they found some hot chili or hot sauce in that ice chest! Oh... the BURN! LOL
Just question...I was wondering if there was a better video than the one on YouTube? It's so grainy it's difficult to know what you're looking at...has anyone tried to clean it up?
MK has done the best he can do...by Monster Hunter
Night time video with the IR that comes with the camera...not very good IR's on video cameras...
Hi guys- been a while...
he should have been using that Remington 700.
way too close to be messing with if that was a real critter.
pretty good pics, sure makes you wonder doesn't it?
A low budget Hollywood feel to it. The face looks nothing like what I have seen - except in BF movies.
The person that made this video made the creature with human-like proportions. I have seen others that have made the same mistake.
Put a feral no BS look in the large eyes that would never be mistaken for human, put the nostrils just under the eyes and make the nostrils gigantic and ending at the outside of their eyes (our nostrils line up to the inside of our eyes), No point to the nose... its flat with no bridge (since it sits just under the eyes), the space from the bottom of the nose to the upper lip is WAY wider than a human, Super pronounced cheekbones and massive lower jaw...Oh and Make the head about 2 feet across.
Do THAT and maybe I'll look twice.
Why would a real BF sit 20 feet outside a tent in broad daylight that it KNOWS contains a person. If it thought the tent was empty, why wouldn't it be doing what we know most BF would do and investigate inside the tent or outright ransack it?
Isn't thisby Grumpy
the latest GA Boys hoax that's been debunked several times....................
I'm not sure but this one seems to be bald! Has anyone seen a bald headed bf before?
This is either a real BF, or an excellent, above normal quality, higher-tech fake.
It looks real. It look sinister. It looks alive. An HD version under MK's digital magnifying glass would be helpful
My "worries" about the video.
-Noisiest camera in the world. What the heck is all that racket?
-Lots of shuffling around. If I were in the tent (not crying, wetting my pants, etc.), I'd be moving like lint on a flannel shirt (no noise whatsoever).
-Not shaking in fear
-Not grabbing the rifle
-The exhale sounds like the camera guy??? Or am I wrong. Camera guy making that noise seems unrealistic.
-Why did camera guy stop filming?
-Would camera guy have frame of mind to turn off camera? I'd just let it run and pick up rifle.
-BF can look like that (just look at all the goofy looking folks we see everyday, and the guy with the weird noggin in that YT video.
-BF can be bald. Why not?
-BF can appear during the day if it wants. Why not? (could be hungry - could be mental)
-Head to neck to back seems to be one solid mass - not a costume
-Motion seems very natural
The ONLY thing that could (for me) take this from a 75% comfort level to 100% is if it had been a full-body shot, with figure retreating. At this distance, a fake would be notice right off the bat.
The 25% question mark for me is the behavior of the person behind the camera. Some of you have a LOT of personal experience with BF - so I can't judge how someone would react to seeing one. For all I know, I may enter into a detached state of mind and forget my fear out of sheer amazement of what I'm seeing. Still, I "imagine" a person that close, being looked at by a BF, as being much more freaked out.
My .02 armchair cents.
-Mike in NC
With a high-powered rifle in front of me, and a BF twenty feet away in broad daylight who doesn't see me, to heck with the camera. I would be knocking on Jim's door in about 30 minutes. When he answered the door, I would be saying: "Hey pardner - come looky here what I have in the back of this truck."
That would be to easy Steve...by Monster Hunter
Monster within feet of your tent with a high powered rifle by your side...the last thing that Monster would hear is boom...
A few years back I would cry hoax...after seeing some of the strangeness I've witnessed over the past few years I'll just say..It would be uncharacteristic of a Sasquatch, Bigfoot, Monster to sit within a few feet outside of a man's tent and snack on something...the head with eyes look Monster IMHO...the build...maybe...but I do think this could be done by someone who knew something about making Monsters...why?...God only knows if it's hoaxed...
Hoaxers are getting real good at hoaxing these days...
Looks like an extra from a Jack's Links commercial..........
Possible Monster...by Monster Hunter
The ladies road down to the creek...heard some limbs snapping and Ms. Shirley took the below with a cell phone...the red line points towards what I think is a snout/face/something...
that's a pretty good picture! Looks a lot like a baboon face if I'm looking at the right thing."Why do you think they call 'em monsters, little Johnny!"
Without a "scale" for reference it is difficult to come to conclusions on the object. What I find very interesting about this location is that the "monsters" go out of their way to be noticed. They are mischivious, and make their presence known. What I would consider "normal" is a silent stalking animal, cat like. Perhaps when there is a "group" living around "people", they are letting you know they want some space. Out west where people are not so abundant, these creatures are quiet ( or no one is around to hear them).
I wonder if a camera near the side of the house, veiwing the bedroom windows would be successful? Does anyone venture outdoors at night when they are out and about? I don't think it would be me.
Monsters have no or little fear of the ladies...by Monster Hunter
Probably why they show themselves as often as they do...rural area...ladies there most of the time by themselves...no hunting on their places...quiet area, little traffic, excellent cover when needed...all sorts of wildlife in the area and plenty of creeks and near by lakes...seems that every time they take pictures of Monsters it's a different one...
They often sneak up and watch the ladies sitting on the back porch drinking coffee in the afternoon...as a matter of fact...Ms. Shirley text me some pictures taken with her cell phone yesterday...I could see something but not sure of what I was seeing...to far away but she said she saw (something) on the pond dam...
Quite the area for Monsters...
Good points, I agree. I think it is time for Shirley to buy a good camera with a telephoto lens.
I'm willing to donate $ if you want to take up a collection.
She has a good digital...by Monster Hunter
But at times when she sees the Monsters it doesn't work...
Now that's interesting!! n/tby Grumpy
That is spooky. I read somewhere regarding electrtomagnetic interference happening around spirits why not BF. Part of me believes there is a supernatural side to monsters.
I doubt that. But I am now starting to think that there might be something to them moving back and forth between dimensions. The NA's talk of Spirit Portals. Inter dimensional doorways I think. Might explain why these things seem to live in and around a lot of places sacred to the NA's. And how sometimes they seem to just up and vanish.
Crazy thought, but quantum science theorizes there are possibly an unlimited number of universes or dimensions co-existing in the same space. Moving between them might be as simple as changing a station on a radio dial. Or a frequency vibration, of just knowing where to go where you pass through to the other world.
It does sound like that Ladies live at a place where several realities collide.
Crispy, have you been out in the woods harvesting green leafy plants again!!! LOL
I am Native American and I have an extremely strong NA bloodline going all the way back to WK in the Dakotas in the 70s and the Battle of Washita in OK in 1868.
I have spoken with many of my relatives (including elders and medicine men) concerning my experiences and they have stated these beings are "another tribe" (as opposed to "spiritual beings" of which there are many in NA cultures) and they are found "everywhere" (translation: they are found in many locations.)
On June 30th I saw one standing next to a bush as I have stated on the forum. I looked at it and it vanished in a split second in a blur before I could even raise my camera. However, the bushes were moving back and forth waving as it moved through the bush. That is how fast it was moving not because it was interdimensional.(I would like to discuss some of this experience on the forum at a later date)
This is a flesh and blood primate from what information I am getting from the elders and medicine men in my culture. However, these tribal members also believe them to be "another tribe" (as opposed to a lower animal.) My experiences also indicate a flesh and blood being. That means I have seen trails,sign, possible track and scat. I also have pictures and audio recordings.
I have a body of evidence that points in a direction although I do not believe it meets the muster of "proof" for anyone else that these things exist.Everyone else needs a "physical dead specimen" which is the only evidence that will absolutely prove existence to them.
Finally, I am almst embarassed to say this even though there is much truth to it. Just because a person is NA in modern times it doesn't mean they understand anything about nature, being in the forest, finding track and sign or hunting. These include many of the elders of the past 50 years or more. I even admit to as much on the forum about myself since I am in that price range.
With all due respectby Grumpy
Circlewalker, while living in Northern California for many years, many years ago, I heard many stories about the Hoopa Indians trading with these creatures until they had a falling out with them. And these creatures Size, Shape, and features resemble creatures found throughout many northern States but I really believe those here in the South are a completely different creature, the size and other features and actions are completely different. Are they related, I have no idea but they act and look ape like and move both upright and on all fours. Are we dealing with two or more species of these creatures, or something completely different.... One as you and other NA's have described as another Tribe, and another which is a undiscovered species of Ape like creature found all over the World who's body and features have adapted to different climates.
Naw - not smoking that stuff - just trying out a theory. Flesh and blood to be sure. And up here in the PNW the NA's do refer to them as the "other" Indians. And they steer clear as much as possible. But I have mentioned, along the Smith River, they have a song that will call them out (I am told). I am guessing it was used for trading back in the day they all got along.
The ones up here and the ones back there do seem to be completely different in all aspects except for the lack of tangible proof.
Anyhow - I am trying to get a guy I know to take me out with the Tribal folks next time they take him on a quest. Lots of strange out there.
e you eliminate all the possibilities, what you have left - no matter how improbable - is the answer.
Naw - not smoking that stuff - just trying out a theory. Flesh and blood to be sure. And up here in the PNW the NA's do refer to them as the "other" Indians. And they steer clear as much as possible. But I have mentioned, along the Smith River, they have a song that will call them out (I am told). I am guessing it was used for trading back in the day they all got along.
The ones up here and the ones back there do seem to be completely different in all aspects except for the lack of tangible proof.
Anyhow - I am trying to get a guy I know to take me out with the Tribal folks next time they take him on a quest. Lots of strange out there.
Once you eliminate all the possibilities, what you have left - no matter how improbable - is the answer.
I agree with you Grumpy, the "southern" species is a different animal. The behavour is different as well as disposition. I think they are "crowded" and tend to be more agressive.
I do agree the southern states are crowded with Monsters...by Monster Hunter
More so then the PNW...their aggression may have something to do with breeding or lack of gene pool...toe structures prove to me there are some limited gene pools...facial features with some having that "where the hexx am I" look while a few have those down syndrome drooping cheeks...some with what appears as a snout and I have seen one male several times that has one giant over bite...bottom jaw juts out...but the strangest I have seen in my twenty plus years of snooping around is the long necked critter Ms. Francis took a picture of and the whatever if it is a whatever standing on the other side of the tree...
One thing I do know for fact...they're some strange critters...no matter what they are, where they're from and what species they are or belong to...just when you think you have something figured out...it changes and leaves you standing scratching your head...
And we won't talk about what I see in this picture or Scott will accuse me of smoking the green leafy stuff................ LOL
Shadows really can make one see another animal, even taller than the other two, standing there as well.
Understanding these experiences as they have happened has forced me to broaden my view as to what may be out there.
If there is one unfound species out there, it opens up the possibility that there may be either variations or other species entirely different that we still have not found.
In my last post I alluded to the possibility that the elders and medicine men of my culture could be fallable and not know what is there.
I think from my standpoint the best way to proceed for me is to observe and report what I am seeing and try to keep the dialogue as factual as possible using what little logic and common sense I have to try and explain what I am seeing and recording.
That in and of itself will be very difficult to do and hopefully I won't get laughed off the forum with some of the things I present.
Continue what you are doing since IMHO reporting facts, As you observe them, from Field Research, is valid and helps provide additional information in solving the mystery and is completely different than proposing hypothetical theories which will probably never be proven or accepted. We as Field Researchers need to concentrate our efforts on sound field observations and not concern ourselves with what the 'so called experts' write in books and put on TV.
Has a lot of strange and unexplainable things in it.
Circlewalker, what part of the country are you in. I am getting dense in my mid life 80 hour workweeks.
As the the NA's here - and likely the case where you are. The younger folks have no interest in the old ways. Sad.
I now live in Texas. The area I investigate is in the midwest not anywhere near PNW.
I agree about the younger generation... My grandmother was the last to speak my native language fluently... she died back in the 80s and my mother died last Christmas. Soon it will all be gone.
I think a lot of information about BF in the Southeast was lost after the relocation.
Here where I am now, at least, the Tribes still live on or near their some original lands. Greatly reduced, but many sacred places remain pretty much as was. Though many are gone forever.
The Six Rivers Nat. Forest has a lot of untouched land, and the Hoopa, Yuroks,and a few others are still in and around. I now live about 30 mins from the NW tip of the Six Rivers area. Every now and then I hear tales.
The Local NA's aren't big on talking to outsiders. I do know a fellow who grew up here and is very friendly with at least one of the Elders and a Medicine Man. They have taken him along on several closed ceremonies, and off to a few sacred places. With any luck I will be invited along on the next outing.
Pretty sure the Squachie people on TV made things even harder when it comes to the NA's opening up. Since they put a lot of them on TV and the show is so stupid. I think between what we think we have figured out and the legends from the NA's, the truth is in there somewhere.
I doubt if anything you come up with will get anyone upset.
what's your native language and to which tribe living in Oklahoma do you belong? You probably know this already but Texans can thank Mirabeau B. Lamar (2nd President of the Republic of Texas) for moving Texas Native Americans like the Comanches and Cherokees onto reservations in Oklahoma. The only Native Americans (at least the only one I know about) still residing in the state are the Tiguas of West Texas. The Alabama-Coushattas came into Texas much later and from farther east.
BUT I don't claim to know everything and do not mind being corrected, if in the wrong.
Ms RubyRed, a former history teacher
Circlewalker I think you would never be laughed at or ridiculed here. This is the most open minded and tolerant sites around. Monster Hunter has done an excellent job entertaining all possibilities, and he has made this investigation very interesting to say the least. The Chippewa, Menomenee, and Senaca Tribes up North will NOT talk about this subject with white men AT ALL.
I agree,by Grumpy
Monster Hunter is a good man and we have shared many stories and camp fires together over the years, additionally my Grandmothers father was a full blood Wampanoag from the New England States.
Something just ain't right Scott...by Monster Hunter
There's not a human nor animal that can't be successfully hunted down especially if people know they exist...we know they exist...but we have yet to successfully harvested one for discovery...
Maybe it's just a matter of time...I thought that years back and we were close but still no cigar...
I am thinking there is something else in the equation. Don't know what it is, but something is keeping a veil around them.
Like that last picture from the ladies......some stuff in there that just defies any logic. I showed that picture to someone here......after a long pause, he asked me if i was a picture of a deep cover military exercise.
I have seen several pictures over the years, where what is in them defies logic. A WTF is that? moment.
There are places that have weird gravity fields, odd electromagnetic fields, and other anomalies. Where several layers of reality seen to overlap sometimes. Maybe it is related. Maybe not. But I have experienced odd compass readings in one area with high activity. Dial just spins and spins.
With the number of folks who have shot at these things over the years you would think the law of averages would produce one body. And then there are the bodies I have heard about being recovered that were then whisked away by the FED's.
It would be interesting to get hold of the US gravitational and magnetic maps, and see if any anomalies correspond with active areas. If it didn't, well - another theory to toss out. If it did, I wonder where that would take things too?
with a Silva hand compass my whole career as a resource tech. (forest ranger). Never saw the needle spin. I have had it give a false reading though due to certain minerals at the location I was working in.
Terry, I have never witnessed this myself, yet, LOL But have been told by Paranormal Investigators that a magnetic compass is the poor mans spirit detector... when it deflects or spins they are/maybe present.
I do own an Dip needle - thing the Spanish used for finding minerals back it the day.........and it does do the job. I guess it would be the poor mans metal detector. However, unlike a MD, a Ranger will not toss you in jail and confiscate you car if they catch you with one.
Minerals, magnetic anomalies.....might set the right conditions for odd things. There are a lot of things we don't know. Smart as we are, we are not as smart as we think we are.
Remember when we were locating the corners of my property in the mountains using your GPS?
Southeast corner I saw you walking in circles. I asked you what you were doing and you said your compass was spinning in circles...I smarted off and told you that you didn't have to follow it....LOL
Spinning needleby Grumpy
Yes I do and to this day I don't know why 3 different GPS's, a Silva Ranger compass and another compass all went crazy that day, everything was fine until I dropped down into that shallow ravine with the dry creek.... maybe we need to go back there and spend some time after dark......
Everything just seems to go whacky.
And there seems to be Monster activity nearby. Could there be a connection? That is what I am pondering...
I remember you telling me that...by Monster Hunter
Grumpy walking in circles looking for that property marker...
there aren't any ghosts here to spin the compass. And there should be. Champlain sailed right past my door and the Indians used to kill and torture prisoners along these shores from their raids. Smallpox took a lot of them out as well.
Apparently you didn't get the memo T...by Monster Hunter
All Canadian ghosts moved south due to the harsh winters you have...like you I've used a compass for years and haven't had that happen but sometimes...sxxx happens...and it did at Timbers...there are many unexplainable things that happen daily but most of us and I include myself pay little to no attention to them...
For instance...the bed shaking violently and the quilt being jerked off of the lady to the floor at Ms. Francis home...she told me the other day she felt her bed shake but didn't pay any attention to it...some ghost enthusiast would have been scared to death, would want the home blessed or move out...these ladies have been dealing with odd items for years and have learned to live with them...to some it's a big deal...to these ladies...it's almost an everyday occurrence...
Perhaps BF may have an ability to come in and out of the spirit world. Perhaps they are related to the "giants in the earth" mentioned in the bible. IF so, that would make them descendants of the fallen angels and human females. Interesting...but my comment brings up another discussion that is quite different, so I will stop typing.
I just glanced but is looks interesting
Interesting charts but...by Monster Hunter
most is Chinese to me...I do understand the basics but can't tell by looking at the charts how it would effect Monster activity..
Spent the time yet to figure out how to read them or understand them.
I do however notice certain colors that seem to be similar in areas I know have activity. What those colors mean is beyond me...LOL
Just something to think about. You have some really odd stuff down there. But it ain't the only place with odd stuff.....so there must be a reason. A physical reason would make the most sense. Figuring out what the common connection is probably would take a few lifetimes.
But hey, a guy might get lucky!
but it's my thinking that only a spirit body can travel in and out of them without hindrance. IF a body with flesh and blood tries to walk through a wall, the result is a big headache. I would think the same thing would be true of a BF trying to travel via the portals; they would find it impossible to do so but then, what do I know?
What is bigfoot activity like in these states?
I elk hunted in the Wasatch mountains in Utah. I tent camped by myself a couple of times. I never ran across any sign. I briefly talked to some locals when they learned I was in the high country by myself. It seems many of the sheep herders are from South America and rotate seasons with their families. The language barrier is a problem. But they all have stories about animal sightings.
Deer hunting in MN I never heard any stories from the locals. The Indians I hung out with would not discuss anything regarding bigfoot.
I suppose they are out and about in these areas. I know if you go on different web sights, and pick the locations, you do get some "hits".
...thanks. We are looking at posiibly re-locating to one of those two areas due to my wife's job with Delta Airlines. Thanks again.
BTW...how is hunting in both those states. I know Utah has a lot of big game and Minnesota fishing is pretty good.
I think Mn is too cold in the winter. I never got to try the fishing but I heard it is great. If you like ice fishing you can do that too. The country is wooded and very pretty once you are out of the cities. Like everywhere I suppose.
Utah is open and vast. Not as many tress but plenty of game. Trout fishing in the rivers is good. I had a friend who guided fishing and hunting trips. We hunted adjacent to the Mormom Ranch and got some big elk. The land fee was $5 thousand plus the license and permit. Expensive but good game. Between the two I much prefer out West.