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On our first date I asked Jason if he believed in BF. His answer was "I'm not sure." So I asked if he would like to see one he laughed and said "Sure". LOL our second date was spent BF hunting.
I took him to the trestle, we got there about 4 pm, it was early November of '05. The weather was cool, there was a 3/4 moon and partial cloud cover. We sat on the tailgate of my pickup talking til well after dark. The clouds finally cleared and the moon lit the area up almost like daylight.
We weren't being quiet, we were talking in normal voice tones when we here something walking towards us. A few seconds later Kong walked out from under the trestle about 20 yards away. When the moonlight hit him he glowed sliver giving us a good look at him. Kong turned his head to look at us as he covered the distance between the trestle and the woods in 3 strides.
Jason looked at me, then he looked back at where Kong had just been, then he looked at me again and said. " Did you see that!?" " I mean DID YOU SEE THAT !" "That #@$%^&* was HUGE!!!!!" I laughed and told him yea I saw him. His reaction to seeing Kong was priceless. LOL
Jason has a bit of a different "relationship" (if you want to call it that) with the Monkeys than I do. They "play" with him and he "plays" back. I've asked him not to do that but he thinks it's fun and funny. They tried "playing" with me at first but I would bite so they finally stopped.
When Jason is in the woods they'll follow him and it's like a game between them. The Monkeys will break sticks, so Jason breaks sticks, they whistle so Jason whistles, if they throw something at him, he throws the same thing back, anything that they do Jason will mimic. I've seen this go on for over an hour at times. I told him not to mimic their "mumbling" because he might accidently say something insulting so he agreed not to do that.
Jason was outside one night and heard a limb break close to the house. The next morning when I got home from work there was a fresh limb break about 8' up on a huge oak tree in the goat pen not 15 yards from the house. A few nights later, I came home from work early because I wasn't feeling well, to find Jason sitting in front of his computer with the 9mm in his lap and an extra loaded magazine. I asked him what the deal was and he told me that one of the monkeys had turned the knob on the front door. He said: " I heard the screen door open and saw the door knob turn so I jumped up and threw the dead bolt and grabbed the 9mm." "If it had turned again there was gonna be a bunch of 9mm holes in the door." I told him that if one of them truly wanted to come in and visit all they had to do was go to the back door which is never locked. I also told him the 9mm was not going to be an effective weapon against one of them so I loaded the 12 ga. pump with slugs and we put it by his computer desk. After it broke daylight we went outside to look for tracks and sure enough there was a set of 10 " tracks in front of the front door.
Not too long after the door incident Jason was awakened one night to something scratching on the bedroom window. He ignored it and in a little while he said that it quit scratching and started tapping. Jason said he hollered at it and said " Will you quit I'm trying to sleep!" Jason said the Monkey answered him with a grunt but the tapping did stop. The next morning I found another set of 10" tracks outside the bedroom window.
The Monkeys don't do this sort of thing when I'm home LOL. There were a few other incidents of the Monkeys messing with Jason while he was in the house, mostly tapping on the windows in whatever room he was in, usually in the bedroom or living room. I told him that if he would just ignore them they would eventually quit because they were playing with him trying to get a reaction. Jason took my advice and stopped yelling at them when they were tapping on the windows and as I predicted the behavior stopped.
I'm pretty sure that these antics were the work of a juvenile male or two as they seem to be the ones that like to instigate things.
OK Folks, I am fully aware that alot of you don't agree with or don't believe some of what I have posted. If you don't believe, well there is nothing I can do about that. If you do agree, AWESOME! Let's discuss it. I know that the Monkeys I have here don't behave "normally", I've read too many encounter reports not to know that. I know they are capable of behaving like normal "Monsters" because other researchers that have been here in the past have gotten growls,their campers shaken and things thrown at them among other things. What I want to know is why they are non aggressive towards Jason and I. I want fresh ideas, I don't care how off they may sound. I've come up with my own answers to this question but I'm not satisfied with them. So, MH, Timber, Grumpy, and the rest of you that encounter these animals regularly start giving me some of your thoughts on the matter.
Now, that being said, let me tell you a little about me. I'm 49 years old, I worked as a NURSE for 31 years, 21 years of that in a prison. I have been studying the BF on my farm for the last 10 years. That means in the woods, hands on, not sitting in front of a computer. I would think that qualifies me as a researcher. I'm not an expert where these animals are concerned and the truth be told no one is because they "don't exist." So Ladies and Gentlemen, let's try exchanging information and ideas to possibly help me understand why the have shown no aggression towards myself and Jason.
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when you are out investigating and looking for sign and them, are you armed?
if you arent, maybe is reason.....plus after 10 years, maybe they figure if you were gonna take a shot at them, you would have by now....
Sometimes I'm armed, sometimes not, when I first realized they were here I went armed all the time because other researchers suggested that I do so. I got to thinking that it was crazy for me to run around all over the farm when I had never done so before I knew they were here. So usually I'm only armed during deer season or when the Monkeys aren't here because when they aren't here the wild hogs move in.
Have you ever,by Grumpy
put food out for them or left a deer carcass or entrails in their area during deer season?
Grumpy, the whole farm is there area, there is nowhere on the farm that I haven't seen one at one point or another, that's including in the yard. So yes, I'd have to say that animal carcasses have been left in there area.
I'm going to give ya'll a bit of history because I feel like I have started ya'll at the end of a project and am having ya'll work on it with nothing to really go on.
The fall of 2002 I began noticing stick formations on some of the trails. My initial thought was that I had a really busy and creative bunch of woodrats. I knew that these weren't done by woodrats, they didn't look right and some of the sticks were from trees that weren't even growing in the areas I was finding them. I showed them to my Dad and (my now ex husband) Roy. They just blew it off but I found the stick formations too odd to let it go. So after thinking about it a few days I got on the computer and typed in "stick formations". Well Bigfoot came up repeatedly in the search. My thought on that was "NO WAY"! My thought wasn't because I didn't believe in BF, it was because I had been roaming around in the woods all of my life and had never seen or encountered one, or so I thought.
I began researching on the computer, learning about other signs and such to look for. I began looking for and finding other signs on the farm such as tree breaks and bedding areas. The one thing I couldn't find was tracks and that was driving me crazy. I covered every inch of this farm repeatedly looking for tracks to no avail. So after a couple of years of not finding what I was looking for I got aggravated, then disgusted, threw up my hands and said I quit, but I couldn't. I wanted tracks and I wanted real answers.
I had had a not so pleasant encounter with an animal on the river in 1991 and by this time I had already figured out that it was most likely a BF. I posted that encounter on the GCBRO report form and was contacted by the Moderator of the board at the time who put me in contact with a field researcher that lives in this area. He and I spent 7 hours going over the farm, he showed me how to find tracks, we found several different sets, all new because we had had torrential rains the night before. Through this field researcher I met 3 others. Those 4 researchers spent quite a bit of time here and they all had BF encounters of the "normal" kind. They got growled at, their campers shaken, objects thrown at them, "normal" BF stuff. Even Roy got growled at and he didn't believe they existed. I never did. What I got was lots of visual encounters where they just stood and watched me. It was almost like they were saying " OK you know we're here so we're not going to really hide from you anymore."
That is how all this began. I won't go into all the chaos and ugliness that my pictures and information caused then and is obviously capable of causing now. I was warned by one of the researchers that I was working with that I would be likened to Janice Coy and I was. Mary was also. I will say again the way Mary was treated was unfair, I won't throw me into that mix because I had been warned, I just didn't listen.
Male or female we all have our reasons for researching/studying/looking for these animals. We ALL have to be a little crazy for doing so. Seriously, who in their right mind would deliberately put themselves in an area where they know an animal ( predator) the size of BF exists?
I ask this from all of you, don't think of me as female, think of me as a fellow researcher who is seeking the same things that ya'll are seeking. That being the exchange of information and ideas. If you disagree with what I post, that's great, but tell me why you disagree and let's discuss it.
These animals around my place have always shown aggression. If I happen to be gone when they are here they gave my wife the blues. They hammered my daughter growing up so bad that now she won't even come to visit very much after dark. It helped putting a motion sensor facing her bedroom windows but didn't completely stop the harassment. They figured out how to move the sensor and point it in the other direction.. I've only fired one shot at them here at my place and that was because one of them was standing in front of my daughters car one night when she went out to leave. She started screaming and it started towards her. She picked up the volume screaming and when it heard me coming out the front door it hauled a$$. I got my gun and went after it into the timber behind the house. I never could see it but I could hear it leaving out along a old fence row so I took the only sound shot I ever took and trust me when that .300 win mag went off I got everyone's attention. I walked to the back of the place and never seen a thing so I made my way back to the house on the east side. My daughter went into shock and while we had her in the living room floor trying to calm her, the thing had followed me back to the house and looked in the full view storm door at us. That didn't help at all since now I have three freaked out women on my hands. That pi$$ed me off so I grabbed my weapon, said a few CHOICE words and headed out the front door. As I was walking out this thing looks in the bay window at the girls and growls deep and loud at them. That didn't help much either. I ended up calling my brother for help and it only took him 15-20 minutes to get here. We stayed outside for a long time until we felt it had left so my daughter went to spend the night with her grandmother. My step daughter went home as did my brother. Kathy and I didn't sleep much that night either. These animals came back and we could hear vocals, objects being thrown around and an occasional slap on the side of the house. What triggered this aggression is anyone's guess but it was that time of month for my daughter and this was that blonde male that grew up here. He's now full grown at close to eight feet and since that night he HATES me with a passion. He screams, growls and throws rocks at me every chance he gets now. Personally, I think it's just a matter of time until you see first hand the aggressive side of them. This happened to us about 7 years ago and remember I've lived here with these animals for over twenty years. The photo below is the greasy hand prints from one of the animals on my daughters car from that night... There was also a nose print but it wouldn't show up because of the camera flash..
Timber I still get a chuckleby Grumpy
every time I think about how they wait until your arms are full of wood as you step up onto the front porch.......
I'm just glad nobody has that on video...
Some if the stories youve told me are just crazy
Timber, I had heard bits and pieces of your story from Al and Russell, thanks for telling it to me, I had always wanted to hear your version and not just bits and pieces. I can understand your daughter and family being traumatized by being constantly harrassed by them.
I have been on the receiving end of an aggressive encounter, here's my story.
Every year in late Sept. I used to take my vacation to head to the river for a week of "wilderness survival". In other words I didn't take much more than my pocket knife, a bedroll, a coffe pot and fixins and I lived off the land for a week regardless of the weather.
In 1991, I saddled my stallion up and headed to the river for my week of R&R and living off the land. I rode until I found a small meadow where my horse could graze. The meadow was surrounded by thick timber to the east and then about a 10 year old cutover surrounded it in the other 3 directions.
I pitched camp, hobbled my horse and turned him out to graze, gathered some firewood then started scouting the area for edible plants and such. I gather up a few muscadine grapes, some wild onions and garlic and then headed to the river to catch some fish for supper. Luck was with me as I tickled up a blue cat that weighed a couple of pounds. I cleaned the fish on the river bank and headed back to camp to cook supper.
Supper finished, I went and got my stallion and took him to the river to get a drink. When he was done drinking his fill I lead him back to camp and tied him to one of the trees. I don't like leaving a horse hobbled at night in case something gets after them. After getting my stallion situated I headed to the river for a bath and the back to camp. It had been a long day so I pitched my bedroll and it wasn't log before I was sound asleep.
I was awakened in the wee hours of the morning by a god awful roar such as I had never heard before or since. The roar was answered by a scream of rage form my stallion. I could hear brush breaking between the roars of whatever animal was out there which were being answered by challenging screams from my stallion.
I jumped out of my bedroll and grabbed the lead rope my stallion was on, untied it from the tree, through it around his neck tying it to the other side of his halter. I knew I didn't have time to saddle him so I told him to "get down" so I could get on him. He didn't want to because he was still challenging whatever was coming after us but he finally minded me. I jumped on his back, stretched out acrossed his neck and we got the hell out of there.
Shaitain ran like a demon was after him for over two miles before he started slowing down. Even after slowing he still covered another couple of miles at a canter before he finally slowed to a walk. I was trusting him to know how far from camp was safe. After we stopped, we turned facing down the road that we had just came down and that was how we stayed until daylight.
After daylight I started riding slowly back towards my camp. When I got about 100 yards from it Shaitain would go no further. I could smell a stench that seemed like a combination of musk and rotted meat. I got off my horse and we walked towards camp, Shaitain snorting and blowing the whole time. When I got to my camp I couldn't believe my eyes. Everything was totally destroyed. My saddle was busted all to pieces, my saddle blanket was ripped to shreds as was my bedroll, I couldn't believe the carnage. The oddest thing to me was that my coffee pot, which was enamal covered steel was twisted in to. I knew in the back of my mind that somethng with an opposable thumb had to do that but my mind didn't want to accept that fact.
I had no clue what had gotten after us, bear came to mind or a big cat. Bigfoot was not on the list. When this incident occurred it was "that time of the month" for me to. I didn't figure out until years later that it was a BF that had gotten after me. Makes me glad I had a really fast horse.
Just one more reason I'm glad I'm not a female!!!
that I've been "fixed."
Ruby I wish I had been sigh
I never met Al, and only met Russell down at MC once but that was long before this happened. They must have heard it through a mutual friend. That's just one story among many. I seem to find myself remembering things that have happened to us when someone else tells a similar story. I guess over time you get used to it and maybe even try to forget some of it..
Yea I probably got the story 3rd or 4th hand originally.
If their attitude towards me ever changes and they become aggressive then my attitude towards them will change and I'll start hunting them.
How many animals do you have around your place? My next question is do you have males and females both.
The males seem to come and go. It's mostly females and young the majority of the time but the males show regularly. As to how many I have no idea but I do know there are several...I've seen quite a few over the years but the most easily identifiable have been the males... The blonde one with a nasty disposition seems to show up more than any of them but I have seen a large grey and a huge (10'+) black male a few times. I've seen different ones in the past I haven't seen since as well. A few years back there were some motley or dapple colored ones around but haven't seen them in a long time. There is one that stands out that I only saw once. It was as red as Lucille Ball's hair. It was on all fours and I think it was a young male since I didn't see breasts. It had a real funny gait that I've seen a time or two since then but different animals. The left side moved front and back at the same time and so did the right side. Struck me as odd because every quad animal I ever seen moved front and back in conjunction with the opposite side...It was a very smooth gait which shouldn't have been..
Sounds like the social structure of your animals is similiar to what I have here. It also sounds like your blond male is an Alpha or he wouldn't be allowed to hang around. Most likely, ( now this comes from my observations of these here.) he is unmated. It has been my observation that unmated adult males are the ones that show alot of aggression.
A few years back I had an adult unmated (rogue) male,which we called Damien, come into the area. He caused all kinds of havoc. He picked up a deer stand and threw it 3 feet, broke a 4" limb on a bull pine and wrapped it around the tree, growled and threw things at everyone that went into the woods and really went out of his way to make his presence known. He was over 8' tall and was a roundhead. Well I'm not sure what he did to piss my two Alpha males off but they almost killed him. One night about 3:00AM, Jason and I were outside and we heard major chaos down in the bottom. There were roars, screams, chimpanzee like screams, whoops and a chorus of other sounds I can't describe, This lasted for a couple of minutes and then dead silence. After that Damien's presence was no longer an issue and I didn't see him again until about 3 months later. Damien looked like he had been hit by a 18 wheeler. The left side of his face was mangled, his left arm was dangling uselessly by his side and he was dragging his right leg. He was in really bad shape. I was in my truck and he was crossing the road from my place into the Forestry. If I had had a rifle with me I would have put him out of his misery, seriously. My Alpha males obviously don't like drama in their area.
As far as the quad gaits go, I've never seen the smooth gait you describe but the number of times I've seen one go quad I can count on one hand with fingers left over.
I have a hypothesis based on my observations (mostly on TV of course) of the actions of other animals in the wild. The second largest animal in the woods, the grizzle, has a history of acting the same way. There are researchers who have spent their entire adult existence working in close proximity with these creatures without so much as a hair being harmed on their heads. And then there are examples of people who have worked with the creatures for years being killed for no apparent reason at all. I think this proves that no wild animal is completely predictable. I say that to ask you to re-consider going out into the woods without a firearm. You never know when things might change, and I would hate for you to end up like the grizzly man. I know he was killed by a rogue male new to the area he was in, but you also have rogue monsters on your place.
Next, I think animals have intuition. I know this is a human trait, but again, so is verbal communication (I got a million of 'em) For example; my wife is amazing with animals. Dogs love her, cats come to her, ferrets, cows, horses, heck even snakes are calm as can be around her. I theorize that she puts out good "vibes" that animals can sense and we can't. I think it is a combination of her posture, voice, smell, and possibly even state of mind that animals are simply attracted to, or at least not threatened by or afraid of. This is very likely the case with you. I think we both agree that animals can learn. I believe their actions concerning you are learned, and reasoned, and intuitive, based on what they have observed from you. Boy I'm really out there now! I think animals learn from their past experiences but act on reasoning and intuition when faced with new situations. For instance, lets say you drive into the field in a truck that they do not recognize. They are probably going to act on instinct and either avoid the truck or try to scare it off by throwing objects or making threatening noises. Now, you roll the window down and they recognize the occupant as you. Their actions will not be a result of a learned behavior because they have never seen you in this truck. Their reaction to the truck will be a reasoned behavior, based on the fact that the truck is not a threat because you are in it. Now, once you step out of the truck, their actions are based on learning because they have seen you several times before and know you are not a threat. If you have a camera around your neck, their intuition may cause them to stay just out of sight, which from what I've seen from your pictures, is what they do if you have a camera with you. I bet that most of your clear sightings have been at times when you don't have a camera. Am I right?
Instinct, learned behavior, intuition, and reasoning all play a part in why they treat you the way they do. By the way, treating different people differently is also a human trait At any rate, they seem to like you, and so do I!
Big D, I wouldn't go so far as to say these animals "like" me but that they accept my presence as non threatening and perhaps even entertaining to them.
As far as the grizzly man, I wouldn't do what he did, what got him killed was he began to forget that he was dealing with wild animals and obviously began to believe that they played by his rules not their own. Believe me, I would never walk in to the Clans expecting them to accept me. They choose the distance between us, not the other way around. There have been times when I felt they were too close and I backed off. The only thing predictable about a wild animal is that they are unpredictable. Even when you know and understand their normal behavior you never know when one might be having a bad day.
All animals and some people are intuitive. I'm very intuitive where animals are concerned, sometimes not so good with people. LOL I can tell you when one of these animals ( or any animals for that matter) are in the area long before I ever see one.
These animals know what cameras are and you're right, as long as I don't have one they'll come out in the open. If I do have one....well ya'll have seen the results of that. I've never quite understood that, as long as I carried a camera with me you would think they would have gotten used to seeing it and quit being so "camera shy" but they never did so I stopped taking a camera with me.
Where a firearm is concerned we're just going to have to agree to disagree. There is a reason I don't carry one when I'm watching them. There is never just one animal in the area. If an animal starts becoming agitated or showing signs of aggression I retreat. I may not leave the area but I will increase the distance between us until the animal calms down. If I were to shoot that animal I'd have both clans down on me. Sometimes disgression is the better part of valor.
and these monsters seem to sense that in you. Also after having worked in a prison it may have toughened you just a bit so that the monsters may sense that in you too. They seem to sense you do not mean them harm. Big D seemed to hit upon good thoughts in his last post too.And the way he talked about his wife is the way my husband talks about me with critters too...I've been a CNA for 28 years...22 of those years have been spent care giving for my husband who is a quadriplegic...he's told me that I have a big heart...and it sound like you have one too.
Oh well, that is just my thought for you. I hope you can figure out what I'm trying to say...it's late while I'm typing this so I hope it makes sense. I think you are truly an unique person...for all that you have experienced and are still experiencing and to share what you know. I hope the research that you have acquired over the years will help another in the same situation in the future.
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Nellie, be sure and remove your email addressby Moderator
from your posts prior to posting, the last 3 have included it and allows ANYONE to view it if not removed...... this is why your above post shows edited.
Sasquatchms...by Monster Hunter
Your getting to be a pain in my arse with your distasteful and at times belligerent posts...everyone has an opinion...it's okay not to agree but please read the forum rules...you're welcome to post as long as you learn to politely agree to disagree...no one hear has proclaimed to be an expert...some of us have quite a bit of experience but even with that said it doesn't make nor do we think we know it all...
Tone your posts down or go else where...
Free speech or...by Monster Hunter
disdainful disagreement?...read and understand the forum rules...I have nothing against you personally and we might even agree on certain items but our forum is not a place to express negative comments about another forum member...never has and never will be...this forum is about 12 to 15 years in running...there has been quite a bit of positive information shared...if you disagree...fine but agree only to disagree and not attempt to slander or belittle any member...
I have found that being closed-minded and argumentative is a sign of a weak mind, or at least a weak point of view. Having been on a debate team, and quite good at it I might add, I learned a long time ago to accept others opinions as eagerly as I want them to accept mine. If I fail to do so, I only prove that I don't have enough faith in my opinion to believe that it can stand up to the scrutiny of others. And also that it won't fall to someone else's point of view. I have noticed a bit of adversarial behavior from this individual. He/She sounds very intelligent and it would be a shame to loose them as a member of this forum, but we all learned in kindergarten to play nice, and if he/she continues to fail to do so, I applaud you for maintaining the high standards of tolerance and common courtesy that I have come to enjoy while visiting this forum.
My son, Cameron, is serving with a carrier air group aboard the USS Eisenhower, and is supposed to be on a Med cruise. Last time I talked with him I asked him where he was. He said he couldn't tell me. So today, I open Fox News and see this picture.
Now I know where he is. LOL
In case anyone is interested, with the USS Eisenhower over there now, that makes three, not two, carrier groups cruising the Persian Gulf.
I bet that little dictator in Iran is looking out his back window now and saying "Oh s**t".
You have a fine young man there Craig...by Monster Hunter
I know you are proud of your son...I'm proud for you...
Thanks, Jim. He is certainly getting to see a lot of the world. He was stationed in Japan for a couple of years, and did a couple of Pacific cruises. Now he is home ported out of NAS Oceana, Norfolk, VA and says he only has to do this one 9 month Med cruise, that somehow took him to Bahrain. LOL Typical Navy. lol
He is a jet engine mechanic and probably cleared that jet, in the photo, for service. The scary thing is that he has completed his qualifications and as the line shack PO, he gets to climb in the cockpit of a serviced jet and rev it up for diagnostics. I remember teaching him drivers ed. Oh Boy!
young folks making something of themselves and it all boils down to the parents! Way to go Craig!
that is more military might than 95% of the countries in the world.
and it's about time.
A couple more Shelia asked me to post for your viewingby Grumpy
The first pic is the original unclipped version of the Michael Jackson Monkey, the
second pic has a critter in it that is not a BF and I don't have a clue what it is.
To find the weird critter look past the white weeds and its sitting on a limb.
Second picture,by Grumpy
If what you are seeing is in the upper left I believe it is just highlights on a tree trunk, the lower part of the trunk is visible lower in the picture.
Is this it?...second picture...by Monster Hunter
First picture...Maybe this ?...by Monster Hunter
Yes, those are monkeys that is a female and her youngun but that's not the monkey I want you to see. Look to the left of those, the monkey in question will not be as far back in the cane and to give you another couple of hints look lower and the monkey has a white face.
Man I need practice. I can't see any of this.
If you alter the contrast and convert to B&W and follow downward you can see the continuation of a tree trunk, telling me it's probably just shadows, branches etc making it look like something it isn't. I've found if you can't see it clearly without alterations it is probably nothing. But I've been wrong many times in the past...
Hard to tell...by Monster Hunter
Shadows can play tricks when looking for a Monster in a picture...
Pictures will never get proof of existence.....Just peace of mind and a strugle to get others to see what your seeing. You can see what ever you want within the shadows.
One on the slab is proof positive.
Just my opinion
Jim, look to the right of where you put the square the critter in question is on that limb.
Green Eye enhancementby Grumpy
Here is an enhancement I did showing Green Eye's pupil, looks like an eye to me.......
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I had no doubt it was an eye, I've never seen a leaf look that pissed off LOL.
I can definitely see what looks like an eye...by Monster Hunter
WOW! After looking at these photos for abit. I finally caught it!
Especially the Female with young.
They sure have pointed ears.
the first one and studied it for about...well, until my eyes and neck started hurting. Very interesting. I saw 3 possibilities to the left of what MH saw plus maybe 2 bigger ones in the back middle towards the top of the pic. Unless I'm seeing things. Sometimes I can see something, other times I'm not so sure!
Am I seeing what you are seeing? It looks almost like children's faces that are white...to the left of what MH pointed out.
Yes and no. Stop staring at the pic, it's kinda like deer hunting, The animal in question is right at the edge of the cane and is squatted down, he is black in color with a white face.
MS Mike, if you'd like some help with finding the critters in the pics feel free to get my email addy from Grumpy and I'll give you a had with them.
I have raised many wild animals and birds to adulthood and have also rehabilitated injured animals and birds. I have raised Deer, hawks, owls, foxes, bobcats, wolves, numerous song birds, buzzards, bunches of raccoons, possums, mink and even a coyote. I have rehabilitated and rereleased Hawks, wolves, a bobcat, raccoons, owls, numerous birds and deer. When I was a kid my parents, mostly my dad, used to tell people that they could put me in a cage with a wild caught mountain lion and I'd have it tamed in 2 hours. LOL I'm glad they never tested that theory. My mother just told folks I was about 3/4 wild animal myself. Even my veterinarian, who I grew up with, says what I can do with a wild animal is uncanny. I'm the one he calls when he has a wild animal to rehab and all the rehabs are full. I'm not sure why or how I develope a rapport with the wild critters, but I've done it all of my life. I just accept the fact that I can.
I will be the first to tell you that there is nothing any more dangerous than a wild animal that has been raised by people. They lose their natural fear of humans. When raising wild critters most folks forget that first and foremost they are wild animals and raise them to be "pets". I never tried to make "pets" out of any of the wild animals I raised or rehabilitated. LOL I made my ex step daughter furious with me because I wouldn't allow her to make a pet out of a baby buck deer I was raising. I couldn't seem to get it through her head that 'yea he's tiny and cute right now but in year he'll have horns and go into rut and be dangerous' I think she finally got the message when the fawn was about 3 months old and he tried sparring with her. I saw it, both she and the fawn got a spanking and she had to get stitches where his hooves cut into her forearm. After that she left him alone.
Dealing with as many wild animals as I have in the last 40+ years of my life I can tell you that they instinctively know if you mean to help or harm. They also know if you are afraid of them. Fear of a wild animal will often illicit an aggressive response regardless of the size of the animal, especially predators.
Yes, this goes for Monkeys also.
Regardless of the species of wild animal I am dealing with I never forget that they are wild and can be dangerous. They live by their own set of rules, not people rules. To "humanize" a wild animal is a mistake that alot of people make. If it seems I am unafraid of the Monkeys here it's true I don't fear them. On the other hand I never forget that they are wild, very dangerous and play by their own set of rules, not mine. I have a VERY healthy respect for them.
Just plum weird down there...by Monster Hunter
I received a call yesterday from Shirley and Doug...Ms. Francis called them around midnight Tuesday telling them something was beating on the back of her home...Doug grabs his shotgun and heads through the pine thicket hoping to sneak up on whatever this thing is whacking on her house...as he nears the house he hears a low growling sound...Doug quietly squats down for about twenty minutes looking in the darkness and listening...after the twenty minutes he can hear something walking off that sounds like they're tipping the pine limbs as they move away from him...
When he gets to Ms. Francis home he thinks he sees a man like figure peak around the corner of an out building...that morning Ms. Francis goes to the back, her window where she hears the knocking sounds, finding a broad she thinks five toed track but the track is short...like cut in half...Monsters can't trick me...the rascal was quadruped at the time walking only on the front part of its foot...
Doug also mentioned hearing a pack of coyotes cutting up after getting to Ms. Francis home...he said it sounded like they were fighting or one of the coyotes was injured or being injured...
Something I haven't mentioned...one late afternoon Ms. Shirley was visiting Ms. Francis...on the video camera monitor they saw three white huge dog looking figures...Neither have seen them before or since...their places are weird at times if not all the time...
BTW...The ladies were going back to take pictures of the track(s)...
Jim, if you don't mind me asking how old are the Ladies? If you don't mind telling me but don't want me to post it on the board would you mind emailing me the answer? This is for research purposes.
They read the forum so I'll be careful...by Monster Hunter
They have grand children...I heard Ms. Francis say the other day she was 19...awfully young for a grand mother...but both are young at heart...just down home good folks...
When are you coming back down this way? Things have kind of slowed down with me since school has started,so my grandson is back in school,so I might get to visit with y'all when you come back down.He stayed quite a bit with me this summer.Give me a call when you are back down here.
shewolf you asked mr lansdale how old we are well im in my late 50.s still get around good , can see and hear very well, and in my right mind lol just to let u all know, ms francis is a young 79 and gets around better than jim lol very alert, so there u go!
Thank you Ma'am. I was just curious for research purposes.
That's why I suggested rudimentary fencing, or a gamecam, etc. to keep the monsters away so the ladies can sleep. As BFs avoid IR (as evidence seems to bear) then running a game cam beam along a side of the house should keep the critters away.
Or, set up trip wire flares to scare the bejeezus out of 'em!
-Mike in NC
2 more pictures from Sheliaby Grumpy
these you can copy and find your own monsters in......... I could have reduced the size but the pixels just where not there if you wanted to enlarge to view better, must have been an older camera. Just remember as you increase size you can find many things that are not really there.....
Yea it was definitely an older camera I think it was manufactured in 2004. I have a newer one that is only a couple of years old so if ya'll would like I'll see what I can do about getting some more pics when the Monkeys come back this fall. They aren't here right now because the creek is dry but will show back up when the creek starts running again.
Pictures from Sheliaby Grumpy
Additionally I would like to thank Shelia for sharing her experiences and photographs with all who frequent this message board, and have hopefully learned from some of her experiences, even though some of her views may differ from many who frequent here.
I guess my untrained eyes are missing something. Can someone tell me what we are looking for and where to look in these pictures. I would love for someone to teach me how to look at a picture to determine if anything is there.
In the first pic, look dead center of the brush pile between the two trees. The second pic look past the middle fence post a little to the right and up.
I'll give ya'll a hint that has helped me when looking for Monkeys in pictures, not just mine but those of other folks. Take the pic and make it black and white, raise the exposure up quite a bit, this eliminates shadows and "foilage faces" that could be mistaken as animals. Don't enlarge it to the point that it is over picsillated (sp), as Grumpy said this will make you see things that aren't really there and also will sometimes make you miss seeing an animal that is. I usually go smaller initially instead of larger. Also when looking for them in pics look at the height of the "shadow" in question, is it too tall or too large in relation to the foilage? Anything with a top height of over 10-11 ft is not going to be a BF. Look for eyes, head, face, shoulders, body and see if what you think you are looking at is in porportion to the rest of the surroundings.
I hope this helps.
Thanks a lot. I went back to the pictures and still can't see anything that jumps out at me. I'm technologically challenged, what I see is what I get. I don't know how to manipulate a photo in the ways that you described. Maybe one day when I am out with Grumpy, he can show me what I should do. Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge with me. It is much appreciated.
Monster pictures...by Monster Hunter
When standing in thickets at times are hard to make out...I think I see what she is talking about but it is difficult for me to make out any definition...but understand...Monsters will watch you from a thicket...where we want two eyes on a person they usually use just one...
Thanks Grumpy and you really don't have to take up for me, my skin is quite a bit thicker than that. My opinions are my own and I realize that they probably rub most of the board members the wrong way. I've walked both sides of the fence on "the kill or not to kill" issue, so I understand and respect the opinions of others where that issue is concerned. I'm not totally against killing one, I'm against killing one of the ones here.
The only Monkeys that I have had the opportunity to watch and study are these and I have often wondered if the reaction to me of a different group of Monkeys would be the same as the ones here. Hopefully someday I'll get the opportunity to find out. On the other hand I may not want to.
Jason and I were talking last night about the Clans and he and I both believe that what we have here is an anomaly. We came to that conclusion from reading reports of encounters and trolling the message boards of this forum and others. Most people speak of one type of BF or another, I've never read or heard of anyone say anything about having two species in one area. Most encounters that I have heard about are either very brief or could be interpreted as aggressive or semi aggressive. As I have told ya'll the creatures here are non aggressive towards Jason and I. I have only been on the receiving end of a truly aggressive encounter once in my life, that was in 1991 and it wasn't here on the farm. This was long before I was even aware of the BF existance here. In 1991 I didn't have a clue what got after me and even afterward BF never came to mind.
The information that I am giving ya'll is true and correct, I've got no reason to enhance it or lie about anything. When reading my posts and the information that I am putting on here, keep in mind that it comes from me studying and watching my clans. For those of you have encounters with these animals on a regular basis don't judge too harshly if my animals don't behave like yours. I don't even believe they do.
LOL, I wasn't sticking up for you but was just reminding others on the message board, since we have many new posters, that GCBRO is a Pro-Kill site but welcome all to post their views, opinions and experiences so that all can benefit and learn. Many may not know how these creatures features, size/shape and actions can vary greatly from State to State and many need to be more tolerant of others who have had encounters that differ from their own or what they have been told by others. We must all be aware that even though Bears, wolves,lions and apes have all befriended man they can also instinctively kill if they feel threatened.
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shelia how many creatures do u think is around your place?
Ms. Shirley I have identified 22 different animals that are either here all the time or most of the time. That's mama's, young ones and My two Alpha males. The numbers will change somewhat as the young males reach breeding age and leave the clan. I've got several now that are old enough to leave so when they come back from the river this fall my population will probably be quite a bit lower.
So remember Janice Coy and how everyone said she was crazy and Marys rep.was tarnished...with the sierra sounds allthe witnesses with creatures in their yards it doesn't seem so far fetched about her farm and the poop barn...
between them, though.
Yes , being likened to Janice Coy one too many times was the very reason I stopped having anything to do with the BF "Community" for 7 years. I stopped taking pictures also, because I decided that if nobody was going to believe me anyway why bother. So I just continued my research and kept my mouth shut all these years. The Janice Coy comments are also the reason I have gone out of my way not to "socialize" with the monkeys here. That's been really hard to do because I am really curious to see how much they understand as far as humans go. The way Mary was treated was uncalled for, Janice IS crazy, you can see it in her eyes, Mary is not.
Mary was NOT crazy....just gullible to the max...
Janice however, was nuckin futs
And you have added to my store of quips. I've never forgotten your 'dictater' costume for Halloween. Now you've given the world--nucken futs!!!! LOVE IT!!!
About the "poop barn"....Big difference in that and Monsters borrowing garlic and wearing overalls though....Lot's of folks have these things on or near the land they own or live on, but that in itself is sensational enough without embellishment...
As my friend Wendell says, his aunt called her's Honey Bears. They stole fruit from her orchard, raided her chicken coop and her smoke house more than once. She'd been seeing them since her youth.
New Picture from Sheliaby Grumpy
This is the picture Ruby asked to see
I see the green eye very clearly. Thanks for posting it, Grumpy
but.. why are they always blobsquatches.
Woodswatcher bear with me, I've got a pic just for you if I can find it LOL.
about that pic looks Canid to me but it is creepy without a doubt!
I have not seen an eye that evil-looking since I was sitting across from my ex-wife at our divorce mediation. I mean, if looks could kill . . . . !
I see the eye and nostril...by Monster Hunter
and a body without any shoulders...How big in your estimate Shelia?...and yes that's exactly how they look at a person...just one eye on you...was the foliage that thick concealing the shoulders?...
Jim I estimated this animal to be between 6 and 6.5 feet tall and yes the foliage was that thick, it was a mix of cane, briars and honeysuckle. This pic was taken not too long after I started trying to get pictures of them and no he really doesn't look to pleased does he.
As far as him looking Canid, when I first saw him in the pic I thought the same thing but it's the foliage that makes him look that way. I have a couple more pics of him where he has moved a bit and he doesn't look Canid at all. I'm still looking for those and if I ever find them I'll get Grumpy to post them. LOL at first I thought I was looking a 6' tall wolf when I saw him in the pic. Of course we all know there are no 6' tall wolves in East Texas
good point! I would love to see some more pics of this fellow, man that's disturbing.
2 more picturesby Grumpy
Shelia, 1 was just not large enough in file size and the other two I've included are marginal in file size for detail I don't know how your saving them prior to emailing but most posted on this site are 800 to over a meg and much larger in file size being at least 480x640 where as most of yours are barley larger than thumb nail size when emailed preventing me from enlarging them without loosing detail from pixalation.
Too bad they aren't bigger.....I like that first one!
Grumpy, I guess I'm just gonna have to dig out the originals and send those instead of sending clips. I only have about 5000 pics so that should take a while LOL.
The animal in the first pic I call "The Michael Jackson Monkey" can ya'll see why?
If you happened up on a baby BF that was orphaned, abandoned, lost or whatever, in other words mama and the rest of the clan weren't around?
I would assume that momma/family member(s) may return at ANY moment and, much like coming across a grizzly cub, would reverse course and exfil from the area immediately! =:-0
(Oh, I'd take a picture/video first IF I'm able to even think clearly enough)
If we humans can't see these things clearly on a good day, who's to say that they're not waiting in-the-wings and waiting for you to make one, stupid, mistake.
Life's too short to end up on "Unsolved Mysteries" XD
No ya'll are missing it, you know absolutely beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is not another Monkey for miles around. This baby BF is totally alone in the wilderness.
I would make every attempt to take the creature with me.
If I spotted a parent then leave it ,but if there wasn't any other creature around,take him home n raise him. Be a Daddy!
Feed it real quick if possible and get way away from where you got it by a vehicle. That is if yo want your life to change forever.
Have we possibly forgotten,by Grumpy
what happens when wild animals grow up and turn on those who raised them. IMO we must remember what we are dealing with...... when animals abandon young it's usually for a reason.
I'd shoot the little ba$tard.....
Specimen for proof and easy to carry out.
Really needs a "like" button somewhere...
Ok, I threw that question out there to see what response I'd get and the ones I got were pretty much as I expected. With that let me say this. NEVER and I do mean NEVER, assume that a young BF is totally alone, I don't care if you watch it for hours or days and see no sign of an adult. Now with that I have a story to tell and I'll be the first to admit that this was not the smartest thing I have ever done, in fact I feel quite lucky to still be here to tell it.
I was sitting in one of the deer stands looking over a small weed covered opening surrounded by woods. I'd not been in the stand long when I caught movement out of the corner of my eye to the right and when I turned to look I saw a young BF, that was probably between the ages of 18 mo. and two years. It was playing at the edge of the woodline about 40 yards away. Needless to say, deer hunting left my mind and I watched this youngster play and watched for it's mama or other adult for over 4 hours. No sign of mama or any other adult. The little one never went towards her either. So, next came probably the dumbest move I have ever made in my adult life. I get off the stand and start "stalking" the little one. To make a long story short ( it was a long quiet careful stalk.) when I get about 15' away from the toddler the mama stands up out of the weeds. I had no idea that the weeds could conceal an animal that size, even laying down. I froze in my tracks and the mama gave me a look that plainly said 'that's close enough'. I backed slowly away, all the way back to the deer stand never taking my eyes off of her. When I got to the base of the deer stand she walked over, picked up her youngun and walked off. It took about 30 minutes for me to quit shaking enough that I could make the walk back to the house. I really do consider myself fortunate to still be here and not scattered in pieces all over the back side of the farm.
You must really be connected with these creatures for that to have ended the way it did. I wonder if it was a test. If you were that close, I'm sure they were aware of your presence, either through hearing you as you walked in to the stand, or by smelling you. Maybe it was a test to see if you were who they thought you were, which obviously you were who they though you were or you would not BE anymore. By that I mean, I believe they do know your intentions, which is that of curiosity and not carnage. I wonder how many other creatures were hiding in the wings just waiting for you to prove them wrong???
Careful Big D, you are implying that BF can reason which is a human trait. Keep in mind that scientist say that animals cannot reason, that everything they do is either learned or instinctive behavior.
Now then, if this Mama BF had planned this ( she is one of the Alpha females btw )to see if I was "for real" that would mean that her thought processes would have to have been human because that type of behavior for that reason would neither be instinctive nor learned.
So, since animals cannot reason, and this mama BF "planned" this "test" for me, would that not make her human?
Sorry about that Big D, I gave you a really hard time over your comment but I just want to show you and others how easy it is to "humanize" an animal.
Don't worry about it. I love a good debate. And I certainly don't take offence to someone with countless years more experience than me questioning me about something I say. Hey, I'm used to it. I have a wife, an ex-wife, and two daughters
I think the ability to reason is a human trait, but so is bi-pedal locomotion. Just because a trait is human does not make it exclusively human. I happen to believe that animals can reason. I've seen it myself. For instance, if my dog cannot get into the gate on one side of my house because it is closed, he simply goes around to the other side of the house where the other gate is. If that gate is closed, he tries to come in the front door and go through the house. If that doesn't work, well, he digs his way in. Some will say that these are all learned behaviors, which is true, but I also think it takes reason to decide between different options. He tries the simplest option first and then progresses to the more difficult one. This seems like clear reasoning to me. Chimps and other primates use tools. The use of tools is another example of the ability to reason. You have to be able to pick the right tool for the job. Chimps don't use rocks to dig into tight spots and they don't use tiny sticks to break into nuts and such. Don't get me wrong, I do not believe that these creatures are human. I happen to believe that humans were created in the image of God, and I'm pretty sure He is not a monkey. Apes are apes. They always have been and always will be. The same goes for humans. Now, as for shared traits, I do believe we have some. You can't exist together on a planet for centuries and not pick up a few ideas from one another. For instance, humans have learned to swim faster by watching and imitating dolphins.
Maybe it was not a test. Maybe it was just a busy Bigfoot mom, in their equivalent of a grocery store, who temporarily lost track of her child, and was quick to come back to reality when a stranger approached. But hey, who knows. As for me, I think it was a test that you obviously passed
I really believe science is FOS when they say animals can't reason. I have seen too many of them use their reasoning ability, this goes for domestic as well as wild animals.
I have no doubt that the Mama BF knew I was there, I'm about 100 % certain that she knew I was in the deer stand. They don't miss much in their environment. I may be way off base here but my theory is, it wasn't a test, but a show of a level of acceptance to my presence. When she stood up I was between her and her youngun. Now had that been any other large predator, bear, big cat, etc., it would have attacked. I wouldn't have been given a warning. Under those circumstances she should have and didn't.
I don't know, I can merely speculate, but since then I let them choose how close they want to get.
We are made in God's image but I also believe He may have created BF, too. I have never bought that Mayan-world-will-be-destroyed on Dec. 21st premise, which was popular in the movie "2012" but I swear one scene in that movie, when the camera focused down on the animals in cages that were to be saved by the ark, one of those animals looked like my idea of a Yeti or a BF. Just a thought...
sound familiar to you? I had not posted Silver Fox's reponse to your question when I read it to him but his answer was, "You'd be crazy to go anywhere near that BF young one." I believe they were testing you and you passed the test when you backed away. Pretty smart critters.
and you woke her up...that's what it seemed to me.
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Nellie, she may have been LOL.
Saturday night I did some thermal scanning in an area that hosted several reports over the years and have been posted with the group! It rained like all get go all night and everything was laying pretty much, but a previous post got me thinking about these animals moving in stormy weather, so I headed out to have a look see!
Didn't find much at all but had a very unusual thermal hit that I cant explain!
I was slow rolling from my truck hitting an area of about twenty years before it came to a large bayou. I had small animal hits at various places, but I suddenly got a very hot, thermal image on the ground of something large and it was moving slowly. The thermal I have as Monster, Timber, Grumpy all know, displays the actual hit as being further away and smaller that it actually was! This was fairly long, a clear hot image, moving slowly along the ground. I backed up and got it back in focus and shinned the area with my lights and flashlight, which are very bright. NOTHING! I got out and walked the swampy area as best I could in the rain and lightning, still nothing! Nothing that would leave a heat signature or anything like that!
The image was long and low to the ground kinda like an alligator, but I would have seen the tail and legs and profile in the thermal. This was solid with no limbs, just slow moving along the ground while I watched it!
A Monster belly crawling. I've seen them do that via thermal when car lights hit them...
I don't think it was a gator because they are cold blooded. That does bring up an interesting question regarding rather a gator would leave a thermal trail or not!
I think that I will take my flir to the zoo and test that out.
If it is a thermal imager similar to the ones we have in the fire service, they don't focus on heat, but rather heat differences. For instance, an object that is 70 degrees will show up as hot in an atmosphere of 65 degrees. That is why objects show up so vividly, because most objects differ in temperature from their surroundings and other objects within their environment.
Am I incorrect in my assumption(s) or would a cold blooded creature like a large snake or gator Not leave a thermal image that the FLIR would pick up.... and especially at night in the rain since all absorbed heat would have dissipated long before you got there so it had to be a warm blooded something crawling or a good old boy who should not have been there......
I doubt that the thermal hit was a gator, look at the gator in thermal on this page.
He's cool man.
That's nothing like what I had imaged! I had it set on black white thermal image, so the hots were white and everything else was gray or black. This was bright white and slow moving, about like a crawl, but no limbs or head or anything stood out in the image! Strange!!!
I looked at the one of the gator, Rick, and just for kicks I pulled up the baboon and checked it out-much different!
I believe a snake would have shown up because it would have a different heat signature than its surroundings, much like trees and plants show up. I believe it possibly could have been a large snake based on the description I read. But then again, maybe I was just not clear on the description.
What else could it be?
The answer for everything unexplained?
I thought swamp gas was what you got from eating too much gumbo,,lol.
hog, bear, cougar, human... I know you probably want to think that it's a bf but chances are it's something much more explanable. You never know though.
My question is whether there are two prints here maybe a smaller print that stepped into the larger one? I know it is hard to see.
It looks like a Monster track...Maybe...by Monster Hunter
Has some weird looking toes though...
jim that track looks some what like the one i have dont u think?
Kind of sorta Shirley...by Monster Hunter
Over the years I've seen some weird looking tracks...some kind look rounded at the toes like the one above...a man I know down south of me claims the rounded toe looking tracks are from a Lugaru...(Werewolf type of Monster) I have no idea but from seeing with my eyes there are different digits/structure concerning toes and fingers...is this the same Monster?...could be but nothing hardly surprises me any more...
I'm still having a hard time digesting the EVP the lady got at your house...she asked..."can you tell us your name?"...plain as day it was answered in a man's voice..."yeah"...
The footprint was taken near a relative's location in Oklahoma about a mile from where my mother is buried. I was asked to examine this and look into the location but I do not know much about foot prints. That is why I asked for some help.
There seems to be something in the center of the print that may be another set of toe tracks?
I have personally experienced a howling that sounded like the recording on this site near this location except it was about twice as long one night. The next day I was out taking pictures near the creek area which is about 50 yards from the house and got a pretty good growl from the woodline. My wife was with me at the time and it gave her a pretty good scare. My brother in law has shot his rifle into the creek area to chase away "the coyotes" during the day...
I will be out there in the next few weeks and will tell if I find anything interesting
The front part of the track looks alot like a knuckle print with the fingers flexed down instead of in a complete fist. The back part of the track....hmmmm, kind of hard to tell but it could be a knee print.
I hadn't considered that.
And I thought trying to learn Spanish was hard, which by the way I haven't learned yet.
hello all well I'm thinking tonight it may be very active here at my house!it seems like the big boys like to come out in stormy weather, well its happened before lets put it that way, hope to get some more audio,
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Hopefully you'll get audio and video...by Monster Hunter
I certainly hope you do...
BTW...I talked to Ms. Shirley and Doug this morning...by Monster Hunter
Ms. Shirley driving Doug to work...they both saw a young Monster sitting on what Doug described as a well used trail in some open timber...not far from their home...I spoke with Ms. Francis Thursday...she keeps hearing loud foot steps outside her bedroom window so loud she got up and went to sleep on the couch...
If the walking by her window bothers her (and it sure-the-heck would bother me!), how about these ideas.....
Have someone pound some 2x4' posts into the ground, and then nail 2x4's to those posts to create a simple barrier....sayyyyy.....6'-8' away from that window. Make the posts about 5' high.
Also, till the soil around that area to loosen it up. Force the BF to leave prints if it decides to "get cute" and step over the privacy barrier.
Or, place some plywood sheets near the window. Pound nails in 'em so and lay the sheets down, with nails pointing upward (for DNA).
Better yet, place a game cam somewhere so that it covers the area near her window. THAT is almost a 100% guarantee that they won't come close to her bedroom window anymore!
Just a few random thoughts.....
Ideas...by Monster Hunter
Building a make shift fence is way to much trouble...
The soil has a sandy base with us taking pictures of tracks at her window...
Upright nails might cripple the beast Mike...don't want a poor Monsters foot to rot off...
We had a camera system there for a year without anything walking in view of the camera...
Since moving the camera system she hears, on occasions, knocking on the side of her home...
What they have been hearing this past week are their dogs going nuts...of course dogs will be dogs and bark at times to hear themselves bark but where they live they're not barking because they hear another dog...coyotes maybe but not dogs...
Sorry if I didn't explain my purpose for the ideas.
It wasn't necessarily about gaining evidence.
The basic fence - four posts connected by one piece of wood between the posts - was about challenging a BF to step over an obstacle (and maybe leaving a print on loose soil) if it really, REALLY, needed to walk past a window.
The nailed board was about keeping a BF away from the window - and if it was obstinate - collect DNA.
The game-cam idea was to set up an IR beam to keep BF away from the window.
In other words..... Different methods of keeping BF away from the windows so that the ladies can sleep at night.
One or two game cams with IR beams pointed in the right direction/angle should keep BF far enough away at night to give the ladies some peace and quiet.
THAT was the intent behind the suggestions, not really about getting pics/DNA.
I really just wanted to throw this observation out there.
Has anyone ever heard tree knocking really close ? I mean from just a few yards away? I have and up close like that it doesn't sound like wood hitting wood, it sounds like meat hitting wood like a hand is being used instead of a stick. Just thought I'd throw that out there for whatever it's worth.
Tree knocking sounds like wood on wood or...by Monster Hunter
maybe wood on metal in some cases...but...I haven't heard any wood knocking up as close as you described...I'm thinking..."just why in the hexx would a self respecting Monster want to possibly break a finger, hand, wrist or arm smacking a tree?"...personally I've haven't seen any Monster with a stick, limb or tree in its hands...for all I know...they're butting the trees with their heads...
What I have heard sounds like wood on wood and on occasion wood hitting some kind of metallic object...I do know something got two of my hickory sticks we used to wood knock with...either the Monsters got tired of us hitting on the cross ties used for fencing or someone got them for fire wood...
At MC during one of the BBQ's.
I would say it was probably 100 or so feet away, this was in October at about 5:30 am.
I have always been an early bird so I got up and fired up my cook stove to put on a pot of coffee and heard 2 knocks directly behind my tent about 100 feet out.
The3 year before that my tent was set up in about the same place at about the same time of year and I did the same thing but got 2 "Bionic Bird" whistles from 2 directions down toward the same area.
I would guess that if I drew a line it would be between where we used to camp and the old iron bridge, but closer to our campsite area.
That there is any "one set way" that is always followed by all monsters. I have heard what could only be wood on wood. I have heard some freiking rapid smacking that would have to be a two fist-ted something smacking the crap out of a tree (found the tree and is was beaten pretty badly) Heck - a silver-back smacking its cheats makes a big scarey sound,and there is no way to know the monsters don't do this as well.
There is just a lot we don't know for sure.
I dunno, maybe they used limbs normally and their hand in a pinch.
New evidene being released on Mondayby Grumpy
This should be interesting, I know you're all holding your breath.... LOL
Living in trees,by Grumpy
I do have a few friends who live and research in Florida and insist the creatures in their area live in trees close to populated housing and business areas.
several reports in Oklahoma have stated they have witnessed some sort of aboral activity in their sightings or experiences. we have seen limb movement in huge trees in dense brush but nothing to confirm the actual animal.
we have also found breaks in trees that were in excess of 25 feet with bark peeled off. all of this would coincide with primate type behavior.
this newsflash isn't something new.
Well now!!!by Monster Hunter
He uses the word "evidence"...evidence IMO is documented data by film and pictures and not I heard it from my Uncle Joe...cast tracks can be faked but of course video as well...it will be interesting to see what he has but from experience when some one tells me the evidence will be presented at a later date I think BS...BTW...if I remember correctly he is a partner of Biscardi...
Tree dwellers...I have no idea what he and others have seen but I haven't...maybe the trees here are to small...long toes for grasping...he may be talking about chimpanzees since I've never seen a long toed track...adult males being 6"6"...without studying different males over a period of time it's nothing more then BS...mothers nurturing their young...all animals do...groups or families...that's not news...
I'm thinking BS but I'll patiently await his "evidence"...
only seconds into the 11 minutes video, we'll knoe for sure? We'll see LMBO
My BS meter is going off the charts, but I will hear the guy out.
i dont know about bigfoot hanging around in trees as u know our pines and oaks are very tall , the bigfoot we have seen are way to big to climb i would think i think that is bs to
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Maybe the younger Monsters can and will climb a tree...by Monster Hunter
But...I doubt seriously a 3 to 400 pound Monster is climbing...could be wrong but over the past twenty years I haven't found any sign of tree climbers...
Yetis in the lab: The search for mythical beasts...by Monster Hunter
It would be nice to have the same sort of effort put forth in this country to find what some of you know exist and what I strongly suspect exists. But in saying that, I have mixed feelings: I fear that real proof may cause an unexpected backlash that would only have negative repercussions for our hairy friends. If we think about it completely objectively, the only people that it would benefit if existence is proven are the hundreds of individuals that have said all along that these creatures are real. And if you think about it in that light, it is pretty selfish of us to want to completely change the existence of a species that has existed just fine without our intervention for thousands of years just so we can say "I TOLD YOU SO" to the rest of the world.
If BFs were proven to exist, the following would occur:
1. Scientists would want to acquire specimens, so some BFs would be negatively affected.
2. BFs would become a protected species, the killing of which might be treated as murder.
3. Some people would decide to stay out of the woods (hurting the sale of most outdoor/recreational supplies)
4. Landowners might see the value of their undeveloped land plummet - esp. if locals start sharing BF stories (much like landowners out west who can't sell/develop it (think darter snail, that owl that)
5. Mining, lumber, oil companies, etc. would be affected.
As the potential financial damage could be quite substantial, I feel that "the powers that be" will continue to do whatever is necessary to prevent #1 (the discovery of BF) to ever occur - so #2-#5 never happen (except for parts of CA where BF is protected by law).
My .02 cents.
You could be right Mike. It may be too that if it's announced that bf exists that with a little education, i.e. "they've always been here and haven't hurt anything", that folks would get used to it. If they end up protecting more wilderness because of bf that's ok with me. If it scares some folks from going out there, that's ok with me too. More solitude for the rest of us. There is a certain element of the population that goes to the bush armed to the teeth cause they think something will get them. Probably thinking bf are out there will encourage more folks like that. Personally I'd really like to think such an animal exists and shares the wild places with us. I aint holding my breath though.
2. BFs would become a protected species, the killing of which might be treated as murder.
These creatures have done a pretty good job of protecting themselves so far. My fear, and I know it is the redneck in me, is that all of my "southernly enhanced" family and friends who presenty think I am an idiot for researching these creatures will take to the woods with their .30-06 rifles and end up hurting the creatures, themselves, or others in the woods; but mostly themselves because everything that moves is going to be a threat. As of now, they all believe that they are the badest thing in the woods. If these creatures are proven to exist, they will know that they are not and I will have to quit hunting, because anything that walks on two feet in the woods will all of a sudden be "a trophy". All of you rednecks out there know exactly what I am talking about!!! I am kidding a little bit because a majority of hunters are very responsible people, but you get my point.
#2 Murder???by Grumpy
that would only be the case if they were proven to be human through studies and if not are just an undiscovered species of animal placed on the protected species list, and then only that particular type and there are many out there of different shapes and sizes none of which may be related to each other.
It's a possibility. You have something that looks like it's a human ancestor (humanoid, at least) and law-makers are going to jump to conclusions or play CYA with public sentiment.
That is not too far-fetched.
You do see what kinds of laws are passed regarding lemonade stands and the sale of raw milk, right?
-Mike in NC
LOL, just giving you a hard time Mike,by Grumpy
my ex-cop dry, no tact sense of humor......
nearly everyone on this page wants to shoot one...so, unless they get to shoot one they will never really be satisfied w/ any scientific proof or outcome or whatnot
OK I was gonna leave this alone but just can't. As most of you can figure out if I can look through a camera lens at these creatures I can also look through a rifle scope at them and have on more than one occasion.
I have to say this....What right do we have to kill one of these creatures just to prove its existance? The human race tends to destroy everything it touches, especially things it doesn't understand. I have a saying " Just because you can doesn't mean you should." I enjoy having these animals here and I wouldn't want that to change. On the flip side of that I also like having my livestock and possessions staying alive and in one piece. I have a strong hunch that if I were to kill one of these animals here that would cease to be the case. I do believe they are smart enough to know who pulled the trigger or who was involved in killing one. I also have a very strong aversion to killing something I'm not going to eat (except coyotes) and I don't know about ya'll but I've never seen a recipe for BF steaks. A few years ago I was all for taking one off this place simply because I was able to do something that most people were unable to. I was able to watch them and get pictures, not great pics, but better pics. Then, when I stopped carrying a camera they became bolder about showing themselves. I've learned alot in 10 years, I know what their habits are, what they eat, how they communicate, a bit about their mating habits, their social structure and a host of other things. I have literally watched the toddlers of 10 years ago grow to adulthood and have offspring themselves.
In my humble opinion, these creatures are a part of this land and have the right to live here unmolested by humankind. I'm aware not everyone feels that way and I have probably stirred the pot in a big way. But that's my 2 cents worth.
My log-in name is Big D. I have been doing field research for about 9 months now with Grumpy as my mentor. He has taught me a world of stuff, more than I could have ever imagined I would learn. I have been interested in Bigfoot research for years, and finally got the opportunity to become active as a field researcher in January of this year. Since then, I have been on several field expeditions with Grumpy, and while not all of them have produced activity, a few have. I have seen wood formation that can only be the result of digital manipulation. Whether they were done by a human or some other creature I can't say as I did not see it happen. However, I will say if a human did it then they were dedicated because all have been well off of the beaten path deep into the woods. I have also heard sounds that I cannot explain. While they may have been similar to sounds of other creatures in nature, they did not sound exactly as they should have, so I consider them to be suspect. Especially when they are close enough for you to hear the wind leave the mouth before the whistle sound is produced. Needless to say, that was a spine tingling moment for me! Grumpy says it was funny, I choose to use the word concerning. At any rate, it has been a great time for me over the past few months.
I am an educated man. I hold a Masters Degree, so I tend to be skeptical of any evidence I see or hear. It is not that I want to disprove evidence, because I would love nothing more than for someone to prove the existence of these creatures. It is simply a matter of credibility. If I support evidence that is not held to the highest standard of scrutiny that I can hold it to, than I loose credibility. And in a field such as this where credibility is all an individual has to encourage other individuals to believe anything they say, credibility is everything. That being said, if I question someone in regards to a post, it is in no way meant to be disrespectful, it is simply my way of putting the evidence to my own personal test. I have a ton to learn about field research. I know this. I have learned a lot from the discussions on this forum, and hope to continue to do so. So if I ask a question that the answer should be obvious to most, please be patient with me. I will get it eventually, it just takes me a little bit of time to get my old mind wrapped around new stuff!
Thanks in advance for you patients,
Let me further say Big D has taught me a thing or two while in the woods and I depend on him more than he's aware of..... He may be new to field research but he's not new to woods lure, hunting, fishing and he knows every animal, tree and plant here in NW Georgia and has the ability to know which way back to our vehicles whether it's day or night even after a 5+ mile walk, even when my gps doesn't..... He's always alert to his surroundings, especially after dark.... LOL.
Welcome D...by Monster Hunter
Good to have you aboard...we look forward to hearing about you and the Grumps expeditions...Bob is a good man and you're fortunate he suffers with a few health problems or you more then likely wouldn't hit the woods with the man...keep an open mind and always remember...eliminate all possible causes/animals/birds/weather related before you think Monster...
Once again...welcome and hopefully we can share a camp fire...
I would consider it an honor , Sir.
here in mississippi we get together from time to time, hope to see you in the field with us sometimes, and good to have you here, just watch out for all those MONSTERS RUNNING AROUND...joking aside,..welcome, glad to have an educated skeptical guy around
Glad to be here. I would love to visit Mississippi and do a little research with your team. Maybe if you are in the West Central Georgia area, me and Grumpy can take you to a few of our favorite spots.
Enjoy your stay and come back often !
Thanks for the greeting. I plan to stay as long as I am welcomed. As for visiting the forum, I've been here in the shadows for months viewing the different conversations and I must say, I always looked forward to opening it daily and seeing what new and exciting things were going on in the Bigfoot world. I can't see that changing, especially since I am now a registered member.
Let me add my word of welcome to you! You will hear some informative and interesting things here, from some great people, who help all they can. Their campfire stories are also down-right interesting and have raised more than one hair on the back of my neck.
Howdy become dy? I'm amazed. Enquiring mind wishes to know...did I mistype? Must have. Sorry!
Thanks for the greeting. I know what you mean. Some of these stories have me on the edge of my seat.
If you can hang with that old geezer Grumpy on a walk, you have my full respect LOL
When we had our "Ole South" get together last yr at M. Lake area Grumpy took off and I was amazed at how fast he went. I thought he was hot on the trail of something until somebody told me that he always walks briskly( what an understatement!)
the more ground you cover the better chance you have of finding what your looking for, and IMO it is NOT; that small scrape in the leaves or dirt that 15 people will have a different opinion of what made it, as far as I'm concerned if it doesn't have defined toes and more than one to measure stride it's not a track worth looking at, I'm looking for evidence of bedding areas and markers that can NOT be made naturally by mother nature and your not going to find this stuff along marked trails unless they want you to, which IMO is no where near where your primary research area will be.
He is not kidding! In the words of Johnny Horton, we have been into places where a rabbit wounld't go. But it is a blast researching with the Grump man. Which by the way I don't think befits him at all. He has never been grumpy with me. He has been nothing but patient, professional, and understanding. I think "Spunky" fits him better than Grumpy. That settles it, from now on I will refer to him in my posts as "The Great and Powerful Spunky" instead of Grumpy. Hey, that is G.P.S. for short, which by the way he uses like it is an extension of his hand. I mean, the man is amazing!
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! Lets see who gets this reference.
that nickname warrants one of my pheromone chips secretly placed in your pack.........
There is nothing secret about those things. Once they are out, everything and everybody within a 20 foot radius is very aware of their presence. I love you Man!
(Sorry, I didn't mean to sound X-rated in my title) Why not call him the "Spunkman"? See? That's where I was going with my title.
Thanks. I look forward to many more hikes with him. Hey, I need the exercise.
then I'm in real trouble at 66. LOL
Mars...a couple of pictures...by Monster Hunter
Unfortunately no photos of Bigfoot just yet...surly some will pop up soon...
Who knows what is real anymore.
Mars or the desert in New Mexico?...by Monster Hunter
I'm thinking Mars...but it is a good question...can you trust our government?...
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Why are we seeing Chem trails, which take hours to dissipate, streaking our skies? I stopped trusting Big G. a long time ago but really (sad, to admit) woke up during the fall of 2008, after I retired from public school teaching and had time to research. No wonder Big G. wants to regulate the internet...the truth IS out there (as well as a bunch of nonsense).
Carry on! But carry a big stick!
Critters...by Monster Hunter
Helping other critters to escape...that's pretty darn neat Scott...critter behind bars and his buddies spring him...
Now that is neat...by Monster Hunter
Long lost brothers reunite and hug each other...
Forum members...by Monster Hunter
Please remove your email address before submitting your post...
I have been going back through the photos I took on June 30th to meticulously look for shadow anomalies. The first photo is the picture I took. The anomaly is on the right of the photo above the prong on the log just above the grassline. A possible cone shaped anomaly.
The second and third pictures are clipped and blown up.
I counted 4 possibilities....
I think I see what you are talking about...by Monster Hunter
But it looks like a shadow IMO...it is unfortunate Monsters will not come out and say cheese...keep on doing what you are doing...could have been a Monster back in amongst the trees...I just can't see it...
Thanks for sharing...
The picture I referred to a few posts back.
Most people see two bears.
Cloud-watchers see one Bigfoot.
What do you see?
bear and cub Rick.
Bear. It wasn't taken with a trail cam either, unless it was seriously modified.
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crouches like a bear and has fur like a bear then...maybe mama bear and smaller cub? I don't think it is a reclining sasquatch with a ponytail! Too bad there was only a single "trailcam" pic. hmmm. Ive seen much more compelling pictures here from our members for sure.
If I'm not mistaken...by Monster Hunter
The person who took the picture said it was a sow bear with cub...
Heading into the woods in a few, back tomorrow.. n/tby Grumpy
Have fun...by Monster Hunter
Watch for snakes and the blood thirsty critters...
Found this area along our 5.4 mi hike looking for bedding areasby Grumpy
Found a nice area, although is hasn't been used in awhile, all possible shelter area(s) where in need of repair with fresh vegetation, this area is Way off the beaten path where 2 small creeks merge and has Bambo, lots of vines and muscadine grapes plus a few turtle shells. Also for the first time in this area we heard no locator calls, which we always heard at both dusk and around 0030 hours every other time we have been there so the critters have possibly moved several miles in any direction following a food source.
Actually this area is a canyon between two ridges and narrows quickly as you proceed down stream making it almost impossible to continue along the creek, you must move up the ridge along either side where we found a few well used trail systems leading into the area.
Awesome finds Grumpy!
"Also for the first time in this area we heard no locator calls, which we always heard at both dusk and around 0030 hours every other time we have been there so the critters have possibly moved several miles in any direction following a food source"
Or...just being quiet watching you and the group...but I do believe you are right...
but what I didn't say was way before dusk we put single researchers North, East, South and West about 50-100 yds from the main group with amplified hearing to listen for the critters sneaking up on the group and to also listen for the locator whistles without the talking and laughing from the main group who were sitting around in chairs talking, laughing and acting as a group would just sitting around in Base Camp.
Details Grumpy...by Monster Hunter
You left out those details...as long as you had some fun it was worth the trip....
LOL, we can't give up all our secrets,by Grumpy
and I would have had more fun if the hike back to base wasn't uphill...... old age has caught up with me.
Now Grumpy. I was there and I though you did just fine. You walked my butt into the ground on a hot muggy Georgia afternoon.
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BigD, that's only because you didn't know me a few years ago before some health issues, back then those up hill jaunts were never a problem......
You are pretty swift now. There is no way I could have kept up with you back then.
I learned to never follow Grumpy D...by Monster Hunter
He goes for a walk I know I'm not going with him...any obstacles in the way...no problem for Grumpy...he goes through, under or over but never around...
I've learnedby Grumpy
Jim, that was before my health issues a few years ago, I haven't decided whether I'm smarter or just older but now take the easier path and a lot more breaks......
Age along with health issues are a factor...by Monster Hunter
Before both knees went bad I could pace myself...walk a while and rest a while...now...rest a while then rest some more...
LOL, this is why I bought my quad!!!! n/tby Grumpy
Something tells me both of you are pulling my leg. Well experience tells me Grumpy is, and after hearing how fondly he speaks of GCBRO and the research tactics used by the organization, common sense tells me monster hunter is! I"M NOT BUYING IT!
Big D,by Grumpy
Jim and the others can only go on past adventures of years past... I can truly say my energy level and ability on our hikes is not even half of what it was before my Radiation Therapy.
My knees hurt...by Monster Hunter
just thinking about a short stroll with you Grumpy...
I know what ya mean! Following Grumpy is like trying follow a damn billy goat thru the briars!!! Even if he's only at 50% now, we would probably still have trouble keeping up with him!
I remember last time Grumpy was here at MC...by Monster Hunter
A passel followed him off to scout around...of course I remained at camp since I knew better then to go off following him...had to drive down to the bottoms to pick a few up...
I think I could keep up now.....I have been running on my industrial stair stepper for the past year and a half, dally!
You're back in fighting shape Scott...by Monster Hunter
I was at one time...40 years back...
New Pictures from Sheliaby Grumpy
OK folks, these are originals, no clips. The first pic was the very first photo I ever took of one of these animals, yes it sucks, but I was using a pair of binoculars that take pictures and it was taken from about 50 yards away. When I enhanced it, it made it all look strange and I didn't realize then that I should have made a copy and enhanced it and kept the original as it was. But you live and learn. This is Kong, my Flathead alpha male, he is standing in the brush to the right of the photo.
Pic #2 : Ok look in the center of the pic and for those of you that can see him this is a Pic of " Bignose" my Roundhead alpha male. He is somewhat greyish brown in color and he is squatting down not standing up.
If someone has Photoshop or a similar program and can see one or both of these creatures feel free to mark them for the other folks that can't.
Pics 3 & 4 : This is a handprint that I found in the mud on the creek that I made a cast of. The book that it is laying on measures 9.5"X 12" to give you some idea of the size of the cast. The last two fingers really weren't fused just touching and the "ring finger" tip was resting on a stick so it didn't imprint in the mud. The top point on the thumb is actually a deer track where it had stepped on the track.
Found a hand print much like yours. Big SOB.
5 fingers though, and was knuckle down thumb out straight. Double the size of my paw, and I am a big boy.
This one has 5 fingers also the last two were touching so it made the cast look like that. I guess I really should clean that cast and take new pics of it. I also have pics of the handprint itself somewhere one one of my discs, if I get time in the near future I'll look for it.
bow out on commenting anymore on this. With all due respect, I hope this habituation claim doesn't make a good forum look silly down the road. Good luck.
that Sheila has made any "habitation" claims. She said--like MH, Timber and others--she has these animals on her land, has had close encounters while fishing and has taken photos and gathered evidence of their presence there. Don't think that was the reason why she shared stories and photos with the MB, Terry.
As she said, she's not Janice Coy and none of the animals has ever come asking for garlic!
Definition of Habituation:
reduction of psychological or behavioral response occurring when a specific stimulus occurs repeatedly.
Now that having been said, I've been aware of the presence of these animals for the last 10 years or so and most likely they have been aware of my presence long before that. Any "habituation" that may or may not have occurred has been unintentional on my part. I have said before and will reiterate that I do not interact with these animals, I don't talk to them, leave food out for them, or do anything else that would in any way attempt to change their behavioral response towards me. I figure that their behavioral response towards me is the same now as it was before I became aware of their presence. Can't say for sure because I have nothing to base that hypothesis on since I was totally unaware of their presence prior to 10 years ago.
After posting the above message and considering the definition of habituation, perhaps it is the Monkeys who have habituated me instead of the other way around
IMO...habituation...by Monster Hunter
is really not habituation caused by humans... but a safe area with food and water not far...I know this from being at the ladies places...no one is hunting...two women who are usually by themselves...at MC there was little hunting, few critters to hunt and so darn thick with brush there was plenty of places to hide without anyone bothering them...
BTW...have you lost any of your farm animals?...
Not any live farm animals. A dead calf completely disapeared once with no drag marks or tell tale signs of scavengers. Year before last we butchered about 200 chickens and a couple days later I saw one of the juvenile males covered in chicken feathers. I got a big laugh out of that. I lost a 3 month old mountain cur pup once from literally at my heals, just disapeared, the catahoula cur pup was still there but the other one was just...gone. Never found any sign of him, not even his collar.
Is it possible that he wandered off (while you were not looking in his direction) and simply got lost, or do you suspect more sinister forces at work???
I really have no idea, I had taken both pups to the bottom for some exercize, they were romping around and playing like pups do, I whistled them up for the walk back to the house, they were both behind me at my heels and then one of them just wasn't. I called and looked for that pup for over an hour that evening and then looked for him again for about half a day the next day. I never found any sign of him. A couple of fellow researchers were the ones that suggested foul play. This happened about a year before I was aware that I even had Monkeys here.
Wow! Who knows? Thanks for sharing.
That happened the following deer season after I lost the pup. It was late November or early December and I had hunted til dark. I had walked in to my deer stand which as the crow flies is about a quarter mile from the house as I had done hundreds of times before. I got off the stand at dark and started the walk back to the house, I had a very tiny flashlight, just enough to keep me from tripping over things, and my 30.06. Just about 30 yards from the stand I realized that something was following me, had no clue what, I just sensed it was big and it was dangerous. Honestly, I felt real fear for the first time in my life and that fear rapidly progressed to terror. I made it back to the house and when I walked in Roy ( my now ex husband) took one look at me said "Are you ok?" " You are white as a sheet." I told him " Something followed me home and I was scared to death." He said " What were you scared for you're the one with the 30.06." Anyway I told him whatever it was I didn't think it would have mattered it I'd had a .50 cal. That was the only time I have ever experienced that. Was it one of the Monsters? I have no clue, didn't then, don't now. I wasn't aware of them at the time. But I can say that none of them, since I have been aware of them, has made me feel that way.
It went back to the house with me, but you can't shoot what you can't see....
Awesome story. I think what you experienced was a God given 6th sense. I believe it was given to us to help protect us from those things in nature that have the ability to do us harm. I have been with Grumpy in the woods and felt as though I was being watched. I have also been with my children and heard footsteps that appeared to be surrounding us, and had the sudden urge to leave, but I have never experienced what you described. Again, thanks for sharing.
Can't tell you how many times my "inner senses" have shouted at me...don't go in there.
I did see Bignose, but before I actually saw him, I observed what looked like the face of Jesus in the folliage. For some reason, I thought that face was the BF. Looked straight up and then saw the real BF in the picture.
Thanks for posting her pix, Grumpy
About 5 years ago my boyfriend and I had an encounter that left me a bit disturbed at the time. Now prior to this particular encounter I had heard these animals mimic deer bleats, owls, crows, cows,coyote howls, wild hogs and a few other wild animal sounds. They are excellent mimics but do sound a bit "offkey" when mimicing other animals. The encounter went like this.
My boyfriend, Jason, is not as woods savvy as I am, he didn't grow up hunting or fishing but he took to looking for BF sign like a duck takes to water. I worried about him in the woods then and now still do but not as much as I used to.
The day in question was in late September, the weather was great and we decided to take a stroll to see if our Clans had returned from their late summer haunts. When the creek dries up they leave and then return when it starts flowing again. I was scouting the edges of "The Dead Zone" and Jason took off for parts unknown across the creek, I told him to stay within hollering distance so that if he found something interesting he could holler at me and I'd come take a look. Well we'd been in our separate areas for about an hour and I hollered at Jason basically to see where he was, he answered me so I answered back "just checking" and went on about my business.
More time passed and I hollered at him again to locate him, he answered and once again I told him " just checking". I moved up the creek to the north end of the property to check out one of the wooded areas in the general area that I had heard Jason answer from but still on the opposite side of the creek from him. About 30 minutes after I hollered at him the second time I heard him holler "Yeah!" I didn't answer him and a few more minutes passed he hollered "Yeah" again. I thought that was strange after thinking about it for a few minutes so I was just fixin to holler at him when he hollered at me to meet him at the bridge. I answered him, told him "OK" and in a few minutes we met at the bridge. When I got there he was annoyed and asked me why I had kept hollering at him and then not answering.
The conversation went like this:
Jason: "Why did you keep hollering at me and then not answering me when I hollered back?"
Me : "I only hollered at you twice and I answered back both times."
Jason: " No you didn't you hollered at me several times and you wouldn't answer me back so I just quit answering you."
Me: "No, I only hollered at you twice."
Jason: "Then who was hollering at me, there is only the two of us on this place."
Me: "I dunno but it wasn't me."
(Silence for a few minutes)
Jason: "Do the Monkeys talk?"
Me: "Not that I'm aware of unless you're Janice Coy." "At least not in english."
Jason: "What if they can?"
Me: " I'm not even going to speculate on that."
Jason: "Why not?"
Me: "Because that would mean one of two things, either they are capable of human speech and understand what they are saying in the same sense or similar to the way we do or that they mimic what they hear with minimal understanding much the same way a parrot does." " To be perfectly honest neither idea sets well in my head." " Let's just drop this whole conversation and see what else we can find."
Jason wasn't really interested in letting this subject matter go but when I simply refused to talk about it he finally gave up. We moved back up the creek into a heavily wooded area and decided to take a break. We sat down on an old log and were sitting there smoking a cigarette and talking when I heard a voice say "Jason" Actually it was said like "JAY-SON". I jumped up off the log and turned around as the voice came from behind us. I got cold chills and then a hot flush when my adrenalin kicked in, LOL Jason is still sitting on the log with a smug look on his face. He said " I told you."
Then again the voice said "JAY-SON" only this time from another area but still close. The voice was somewhat gutteral but definitely understandable.
Then a third time "JAY-SON" from the same area as the second time. Ok I had had it, I told Jason that it was time to go and I guess the look on my face told him there was no need to argue so we left and went back to the house. The "Jason BF" is still here and from time to time we will still hear that gutteral voice say Jason's name.
would freak the hell out of me.....and I would not be back in those woods without a golfbag full of guns
I would hope they are more like the parrot....but I know that through facial expressions, they can get a point across
I think that if they can mimic horses and deer and elk and pigs and stuff, why not simple words ?
She called his name twice and they figured out that she was using that "Jason" sound to locate him, so they just took that and ran with it.
same page, I emant that while intelligent and knowing their surroundings, I would think mimic....just hearing it mimic a voice would defintely pucker the behind...
I know some have heard some sort of language, that is possible also....
I know one I saw I had a rifle pointed at it, and it gave me a look like you better be damn sure you connect, or you will be a grease spot....message received, zero distortion on my end.....I cant think of anything else that has scared me in my life as much, dont consider myself as not having courage, but kept me out of a place in the woods that I loved for over 20 years, and now when I have gone back, have packed extra heavy (50 cal Beowulf, 10 shot clip, and a colt python), and never gone alone....and never seen or heard any sign of it again....
There are folks on here that will put labels on you if you show the slightest sign of intimidation.
I know from experience.
here for 5-6 years, ahve correspoded with MH writing, spoken to Bobby at length oh the phone, never had the plaesure, yet, of meeting anyone on here in person, but will be moving back home (to memphis area/north MS) next may when my youngest gets out of school....
Neither, or anyone else on this forum has either labelled me, or shown me anything but respect, same as I have shown them....If you disrespect someone on here, trust me, havent seen many on here who will turn the other cheek...
actually, I could care less how anyone lebels me.....can call me whatever anyone wants........never feared any man, what they said or did....
That's the way to be.
You cannot be thin skinned.
I usually don't go into the woods with a firearm unless it's deer season or the Clans AREN'T here. When they are here the wild hogs aren't and when they aren't here the wild hogs move in. I'm more concerned about the hogs that I am the Monkeys.
Speaking of which, I know at MC, OK, Sabine County and other places these critters show quite a bit of aggression towards folks and other than the two rogue males that have passed through here my Clans don't show aggression towards me. I have often speculated on why that is and have come up with no real answer. Ideas anyone?
Would be interesting to see if there is any relationship between BF clans that are sociable in an area where they are not bothered or threatened, verses clans that show aggression being in areas where they have been shot, shot at or otherwised chased and harrased.....
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Can you trust a wild animal?...by Monster Hunter
NA's claimed the Monsters would steal their women and children...some people have gone missing without a trace...could be other predators but IMO some type of clothing would be found...
Monty, I wouldn't call my critters "sociable", they just don't show the aggressive traits that I have heard MH, Timberghost and others talk about. The attitude that I take towards them is basically one of indifference. I'm not afraid of them, never have been, but then I've never been afraid of anything that walks, crawls, creeps, flies, slithers or swims. I don't actively hunt them, to me this is somewhat futile because they always know where you are and if they don't know or aren't sure they are going to locate you pretty quick. Now that is not to say that I haven't looked at one through the scope of a rifle, I have on several occasions. With and without a "crew".
I have my own personal reasons for not taking a shot, primarily because it wasn't the right animal. Secondarily ( is that even a word?) because I would not want to endanger a "crew". I have seen what these animals will do when one of their own is wounded or in danger and it ain't pretty. I have a real issue with putting other folks in that type of danger, especially ones that I like. Now had I gotten a shot at either of the two rogue males that have come through here it probably would have been a done deal because they didn't belong to either clan and the first one came in causing all kinds of hell and havoc and the clans definitely didn't welcome him with open arms. In fact, my two alpha males just danged near killed him. The rogue male that was here recently didn't hang around long and didn't cause any problems with the clans as far as I can tell.
What exactly do you mean by......
"I have seen what these animals will do when one of their own is wounded or in danger and it ain't pretty."
....and how often have you seen such behavior?
What exactly do you mean by......
"I have seen what these animals will do when one of their own is wounded or in danger and it ain't pretty."
....and how often have you seen such behavior?
It seems that the Clan members take care of each other. I have mentioned that I have two different types of the Monkeys here. The best I can tell is the two different " species" if you will, do not interbreed but do interact with each other while going about their daily activities. They will also come to each other's rescue if needed. I have seen this behavior several times so I'll give you a couple of totally different incidents that I was lucky enough to observe.
#1: I was in "The Dead Zone" watching a young flathead play in an oak tree at the edge of the field. The youngster was probably a 2-3 year old and it was climbing and running out on the limbs when it ran too far and got on a limb, about 20' up, that wouldn't support his weight. He fell and when he hit the ground he started crying (sounded alot like a human child btw.) His crying set every other animal in the area in motion. They started screeching and howling running towards the toddler. When they reached the toddler the screeches and howls turned into a chorus of soft "hoots", "whoos", and other "soothing" sounds that continued until the toddler stopped crying.
#2: About 3 years ago there was a huge boar hog that moved in and took up residence on the east side of the creek. This boar weighed in the neighborhood of 325 pounds or so with a really nice set of cutters. He also had a really nasty temper, I know because I had a couple of accidental run ins with him. Well after the second run in I decided he had to go so I took my rifle early one morning and set up in the deer stand that was closest to his wallow in hopes that I could nail him when he decided to move. I had been in the stand for about 2 hours when I saw one of the Monkeys. Well it had been my experience that when the Monkeys are around the hogs move out so I was fixin to get off the stand and go back to the house. For some reason I decided to sit for a while longer on the stand. Well a few minutes later I heard the low rumbling "growl" of the big boar hog followed by the "huffs" that they make when they are charging something. I then heard a scream from one of the Monkeys. Then chaos filled the woods with screams, howls, growls and whoops from the Monkeys and squeals of distress from that old boar hog. A couple minutes later, total silence. I stayed on the stand for about 15 minutes then got down and headed to where all the chaos had occurred. What I walked up on gave me cold chills. That big boar had been ripped to shreds, literally pulled apart. There were hog parts laying all over the place in about a 30' radius. None of the hog had been eaten or taken. Now I didn't see what happened but I can make a pretty decent hypothesis. I figure one of the juvenile males got too big for his britches and decided to take on that old boar and bit off more than he could chew. His scream brought the wrath of the other clan members down on the hog and they literally ripped him to pieces. Food for thought isn't it....
Suddenly, I don't feel like my .357 is enough to protect me anymore!!!
Now you know why I carry 6 loaded 8 rd. clips + 20 extra rds.
Always remember to save the last round for yourself! Beats getting ripped apart shudder
Also, make sure to load your ammo into "magazines" as I have yet to see a handgun which is fed from "clips".
(just being a firearm snob - lol)
Yor got me Mike,by Grumpy
it was late and I was suffering from CRS.....
Most Likely !LOL
I would think because (1) they know you and that you are not armed or (2) they know you don't scare easily and will stand your ground. That's all I can think of right now but I believe it's a good start on the reason why they know aggression is wasted on you. Now, if I came to visit their area, they'd have a field day!
Keep up the good work Sheila!
That sounds about right. Thanks for sharing!
And a little scary in a way. I would love to have experiences similiar to what some of you seem to have. I really want to see one.
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what you wish for Monty....your life wont be same
BUT, I still want to see one for myself.
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I once heard a noise down at the river (Mud River in Milton WV, and you can edit this part out if you want) while night fishing for some channel cats that sounded very similiar to train wheels screeching on the metal rails, but ended in a very low guttural growl.
The young man fishing with me asked what the #&!! was that, and I simply responded that it was the train. He said something to the effect of how trains don't growl, and the train wasn't even moving, which I already knew. He wanted to leave, I wanted to stay, so he wasted no time building a fire.
I have heard one other "vocalization" that sounded like a screech-owl screeching at first and ended in a growl, but it did not sound the same as what I heard down at the river. The sound at the river sounded like a train on the tracks with the low rumbling growl at the end, a very "metallic" sounding screech. It was about 300 yards or so from the RR tracks.
What do you think??
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I'm really not sure....If ( and I believe they do)they "parrot" sounds then it might be possible. I have heard them make a screeching sound similar to that of a screeching chimp but with no growl on the end. I can't say that I have ever heard them mimic an inanimate object here.
MH, Timberghost and the rest of ya'll that hear these critters regularly what do ya'll think?
A friend of mine and his wife suffered through a critter or some thing circling the camp for several hours sounding like a Jake brake on a semi- truck.
"Jake Brake"...LMAO...by Monster Hunter
Now that would scarce the crap out of anyone...I've heard some strange sounds over the years...Timber and I heard what sounded like someone beating on some type of metal...I thought I heard someone scream out my oldest sons name one hot afternoon...years back I had some pups who would chase deer and rabbits...one afternoon I heard what I thought was a pup barking like he was running something by the pond...the barking sounded a bit strange so I walked in to see if I could see the pups or hear them...after getting in the thicket I didn't hear another peep from a dog...thought that was unusual since I've walked into them dead in after a rabbit...
Bobby and I and I think a few more walked down to the south side creek...we heard what sounded like an Indian on the war path running off whooping...what we would hear the most of was the bionic bird whistle, peacock scream and on occasion a cow where there are not any cows...all sorts of loud whistles...a deep howl, chimpanzee sounds, an occasional roar and sounds I can't describe...
I think that's what it says anyway. I am sure to be corrected if not!
Need to brush up on my Spanish Versatile...by Monster Hunter
Looked interesting but not comprehensible...
this is an amazing read, i know lots of people think hes phony but when you put this much science and research into a topic and write a 16 page scientific paper breaking down the locomotion of apes,humans and early humans ...well speaks for your credibility and knowledge in itself, i for one think hes 100%
we all have our full time jobs that we do, I would imagine in Academia teaching in colleges you have to have a "specialty" and that seems to be his.
I wonder how many students he gets to assist his research.
I think Meldrum is ok. He is pretty knowledgeable and since Dr. Grover Krantz is no longer with us, I honestly don't know of anyone else foremost authority wise.
I did try and read but...by Monster Hunter
The opening paragraph...
He speaks of the mid tarsal break comparing this to the apes...makes sense doesn't it...but if this is some type of ape only why do Monsters have opposable thumbs?...if Monsters, according to Meldrum, are bipeds why would they need a mid tarsal joint?...the mid tarsal joint is for climbing, grasping and found only in quadrupeds...here in most southern areas there aren't any mountains to need a mid tarsal joint for climbing but yet they do have them...why?...
Meldrum studies cast tracks without having or with very limited field research in areas of activity...he bases his analogy on the Patterson film along with a few pictures taken after the filming of the Patterson footage...I've seen a few of his pictures that show, maybe, a mid tarsal break...
From field experience...sightings in areas of activity...Monsters are not only bipeds but can quite handily go down on on all fours becoming a quadruped...the quadruped part is what Meldrum neglects in his theory of these creatures belonging to the ape family...personally from sightings, field experience, I also believe these Monsters are some type of ape but my belief comes from experience and not from looking at casts or pictures of tracks...
Is Meldrum good for this community?...I would think he is to a point...every cryptid critter needs some type of academic to help support and promote...but IMO...he needs hands on more then on casts and pictures...His analogy reminds me of a person reading the first few pages of a book and making up an ending that suits what they think...
wouldnt the mid tarsal joint make it much easier for the to go down on all 4's, and much faster on all 4's?
like a chimpanzee, there needs to be a mid tarsal break or flexation in order to facilitate quadruped locomotion.
BF probably did not evolve the stiffer design foot that we have due to the terrain he lives in.
Our feet are designed for long distances on relatively flat terrain.
Meldrum's ideas make sense to me.
why did you formulate that large un-educated opinion without connecting more dots, instead of just basing stuff off the limited things you've seen? ....not very scientific.
My education...not opinion...by Monster Hunter
Is from over twenty years of experience in areas of activity...while many of you thrill seekers want to see a track or hear some type of unidentifiable sound I want and I'm going to find, see and hunt the Monsters...I knew about the mid tarsal joint, what I called a hinge, from tracking more then several Monsters long before Meldrum wrote any paper concerning the foot...
You need to know and understand that being an academic means you have a sheep skin on the wall...it doesn't give you needed experience from field observation...
Well said my friend!!!! N/Tby Grumpy
is why I come here to learn, instead of reading a bunch of crap wriiten by people who a) havent even seen one (maybe because they are running around woods making noise with lights on thier heads), and b) dont really seem to want to really find one.....
IMO, Meldrum is so stuck on the pcific northwest, and his belief that it mainly exists there is where he loses me....If he really wanted some evidence, he should contact some people from this room, and get his behind out of classsroom and his foot casts, and find something
as far as hinged foot is concerned, doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out, your foot has to be hinged to run on all 4's with any speed.....all you have to do is try doing it yourself
Meldrum...PNW and Patty...by Monster Hunter
If these academics would really study the available Patterson film they would see with their eyes what appears Patty going down on all fours in the first sequence of the film...MK has stabilized much of this shaky first sequence and clearly you can see the crack of the beast as she begins to go down...Does Meldrum want to see this?...don't know but IMO would help validate the mid tarsal joint...
What I believe is what I see not what someone else wants me to believe...
is Meldrum's career going into the toilet when and if the Patty film is shown to be a hoax. I can't believe a man of science would base his opinions on an unverified film.
thought that the Bluff Creek footage was faked for years, but ONE single video I saw completely put all my wonderings to bed for good I do believe. It was a Youtube video which showed the angle of the step this "thing" in the Patty film made. Have you seen it? It was very compelling for me but that's just me. I like hard science and study body mechanics and how they interface with Physical Therapy and Occupational Therapy. This is hard science that I can really sink my academic teeth into and it really makes a whole lot of sense to me. Don't see HOW it could be faked, we simply DO NOT walk that way. In fact, we CAN'T. For me it is now-next item on the floor for discussion?
I know the clip you're talking about Mike. And you're right, it's very compelling. I'm not really saying the PGF film is hoaxed. I can't say that cause I don't have proof. I think though that there's a good chance it is based on the characters and circumstances at the time.
Terry, yes I totally understand your view. Personally I have never seen a Sasquatch but what makes me think they are possibly real entities are the vast number of sightings across the world which, if only ONE are valid and not faked or misidentification would mean we have an as of yet undiscovered species. Plus the folks I have met in this group are very serious and some of them were very skeptical prior to their own searchings. I'm just keeping an open mind. I must admit, I like the possibility that they MAY just be out there! I do wonder though about the inability to capture more film images although I have seen some pretty good ones, not perfect but ok. And I have heard about the problems in getting a good film image from Jim and others.
here for sure. It's certainly good to keep an open mind and that's what I try to do as well. I hope the damn critter gets proven to exist soon. The numbers of hoaxers are growing every day and it's getting ridiculous what's out there in regards to claims of proof. Pretty soon we won't be able to separate fact from fiction.
You are right T...by Monster Hunter
Groups on FB drive me nuts with their sometimes total nonsense and "look at me" BS...self promotion to the point it gags me at times...I deleted all the BF groups because of this...
Last week a group called the "Dog Man" was talking about the possibility of some type of bipedal canine/were wolf...common sense tells you a dog doesn't have a foot to be bipedal...IMO...the simplest explanation for NA's calling it a Dog Man were Monsters capability to go down on all fours...to top the conversation off...a fellow who has been at my place years back claimed he tracked one of these critters at MC through an area that was impossible to track anything before the timber was cut...he claimed he tracked this Monster bipedal for about 3/8's of a mile...Monster crossed the creek and was then quadruped...what bullsxxx...
This fellow neglected to say the Monsters ran him off the property and he hasn't been back...I could say a lot more about this bullsxxxer and his self promotion but let the lambs follow...no hide off of my butt...
there was the section of a--pardon the example--"Monsterquest" show (I believe)where they rigged a human up with sensors and tried to match his with Patty's footfalls and stride pattern. He could NOT duplicate either her stride; the way he was required to place his feet (to match her feet) was barely possible,too. Talking to and listening to M.K. at the Crypto Conference years ago, and this documentary on the film convinced me Patty was of a living (but not for long) animal.
"I want and I'm going to find, see and hunt the Monsters"
a legendary animal combining features of animal and human form or having the forms of various animals in combination, as a centaur, griffin, or sphinx.
thts the 1st definition of the word monster...i hope you realize how silly and unprofessional you might sound to the acedemics and science folk that actually go after hard evidence and not blobs from some ladys back porch..go setup a thermal at that place and stake out w/ a .375H&H mag and stop making out like your some sorta hotshot know-it all.
Webster Dictionary...Monster...by Monster Hunter
Definition of MONSTER
a: an animal or plant of abnormal form or structure b: one who deviates from normal or acceptable behavior or character
: a threatening force
a: an animal of strange or terrifying shape b: one unusually large for its kind
Why be an *******?...by Monster Hunter
You have no idea who I am, what I know, who I know professionally, what I have done concerning Monsters...if it upsets you and apparently it does to read my posts from experiences then I suggest you read Meldrum's experiences and his theory on something he has only studied from tracks...
As far as hunting Monsters...I have for years...our group shot one over a deer carcass at my place back in 2003...I did the feeding and preparation for the hunt...as far as hunting Monsters on others land...it's called permission...
I hope you understand how silly you sound by mouthing off about a topic you know little about and me that you have never met...
As far as blobs...let us see some of your pictures from your research...
Once again from Webster Dictionary...
Definition of MONSTER
a: an animal or plant of abnormal form or structure b: one who deviates from normal or acceptable behavior or character
: a threatening force
a: an animal of strange or terrifying shape b: one unusually large for its kind
Concerning experience over academic education...by Monster Hunter
This morning a man came to buy and bought one of my Lab pups...sitting on my front porch he told me about his daughter graduating from Baylor so to keep him from one upping me I told him about Jake graduating from college in Geology...this man was a geologist...not only was he a geologist but had his PHD in geology...he explained...his words not mine...college is education...experience comes from working in the field...
This is my point I make about Meldrum and academics...you have to have experience...
BTW...he wants to have lunch with Jake next week and maybe the boy will land himself a job...
monster is the most correct term I have heard....it wasnt a mna....wasnt a bear....wasnt an ape.....was very big....wouldnt call it a bigfoot, I wasnt looking at its feet....monster seems appropriate
Is because he knows what he's talking about. I've read a lot of the Academics writings pertaing to this animal myself. Some is on target but most is speculation based on theory without observation. My first sighting was in 1975 at 20 feet.. I've been living with these animals for over 20 years coming to my home on a regular basis and the original reason I became friends with Jim in the first place is because he was OBSERVING and FINDING the same type of behavior I was myself here in Oklahoma. The very first time I talked to him the "mid-tarsel break" was part of the conversation and that was about 12 years ago. Before I ever heard of Dr Meldrum. Don't get me wrong, we NEED academics like Dr Meldrum and I'm glad he's interested in the subject.... With that said, you can't bull$hit your way around actual first hand experience.I knew Jim was telling the truth about his experiences through my own....
Maybe you were in a bad mood or dealing with life somehow when you lashed out, I don't have a damn clue. Smart money would be to listen to folks with experience and try to pick up a thing or two...but that just me...Kind of like listening to you elders...
I can tell you this though, he has MUCH better evidence that what's been seen on this forum...Many of us do
Take it or leave it...it's yours to do
One thing that several of us here on this board have, is a metric **** ton of field work not only with monkees but also the woods in general. we grew up going into places that very few would venture. There are many things about our experiences and our findings that we really don't share with the general public, but we do share these amongst ourselves once we realize who knows what the hell they are talking about. it seperates the frauds and know it alls.
The mid tarsal break and other foot anomalies are relatively well known to many researchers. This foot anomaly is one of the more intriguing issues about its locomotion.
Monsters- yeah they fit the bill. when you see one you'll **** bricks.
Monkees- yeah they fit that bill too.
whatever you want to call them its up to you. but they aren't real friendly and aren't visiting for cookies and tea.
Even this ole city girl managed to get into the East Texas woods more than once. My first husband and his friend hunted and sited-in firearms together on private East Texas woods northeast of Conroe. On two occasions (already described in past posts) I had unusual experiences while there.
I lived north of Splendora for ten years (until divorce)and often had feelings of being watched! I listened to our dogs barking a lot at night. Most of the time, the dogs never strayed off the front porch, not even for water from a faucet ten feet away. When we came out of the house in the mornings, our dogs made a bee-line to the water faucet lick we installed for them. After a potty break, it was back inside their dog house. At other times, they'd run all over the front and back yards, bark at squirrels and killing copperheads. I had NO idea then I was living in an area where people saw large, hairy bi/quad type animals on their land, although by 1974, I had read the eye-witness accounts printed in Peter Byrnes' book on Bigfoot.
If one is an empathic person, and I am a bit, you sense something is there. I can NOT say for a fact I've had any of the up-close and personal sightings that MH, Timberghost and others have had.
I'm sorry but I personally find your tone offensive. I don't think I need defend anyone on this board as they, not the academics, have the 'fruit on the trees.' Play nice!
as if you are trying to provoke someone into a Mexican Standoff with yourself...why would you want to do that???
Chill out dude.
I think that the term "Monsters" hits the nail right on the head.
me too...and another thing-I don't think many on this site have said they were Scientists!!! or doing anything other than sharing, speculating, and trying to learn more about this topic. I'm no Anthroplologist, or any other type of Scientist and don't really care if I'm viewed as the most intelligent person on this board, I know I'm not! That's just pure EGO which is pure BS and something I LONG AGO decided I was going to do all I could to downplay. Makes one look really arrogant and despicable IMO. Buuut that's just me. If I listen long enough I just might learn something. This is the GCBRO, not a pissing contest.
However, nothing beats hands-on experience and observation. I'll take a surgeon who has actually performed a procedure successfully many times over one who has only "studied" it. And, as they say, a picture (or visual sighting) is worth a thousand words.
I know we've been talking about quadrupedal locomotion from these animals long before Meldrum or anyone else from academia started connecting those dots. We've seen it.
It's like the young field biologist who I was talking to down at the end of my road one day. He broke from the conversation to ask me what that strange bird call was we were hearing. "It sounds like a roadrunner," he said. "But, I can't seem to locate it."
"It is," I replied. "But, you're looking in the wrong place. It's about 50 feet up in the top of that big white oak tree."
"Well, I'll be, there it is." he said. "I didn't think they could fly like that. You learn something knew everyday."
"You will if you spend enough time in the woods" I replied.
When Ripley asked the Lt. commanding the Marine 'drop' onto that planet where the Aliens lived, "how many drops is this for you, Lt.?" and he answered her with a number and the word "simulated." Then, another Marine asked, "how many combat drops?" The Lt. answered "Zero. This is my first." At that moment, everyone knew the poop was gonna hit the fan. AND it did.
I hear you on the " First-Combat; Drop."
Had an outstanding LT. back December'89. Tell me that very
same thing, 900' above Panama.
It all worked out.
The mid tarsal break concept regarding hominids,is an interpretation of tracks left in the ground. Sometimes there is more than one cause for the same effect. When I was at Bluff Creek in June of this year, I simply imitated the walking "style" seen in the Patterson film, and it produced the ridge in nearly every track. This does not exclude the possibility of flexation in the mid foot, but it should remind us that suggestion is very strong coming from academics. An educational degree is not a guarantee of accuracy but it is the college or university vouching for this person's competency in his field. Many with degrees in the same field disagree strongly with Dr. Meldrum. Time in the field usually helps with how a person see's footprints and interprets them. I had to go there myself and experiment with my own foot in the unique sand of that area to know for sure what I was looking at. M.K.
MK Davis said, "The mid tarsal break concept regarding hominids,is an interpretation of tracks left in the ground."
WRONG ! It is not an opinion, it is a fact stated and illustrated by Meldrum in the published scientific paper posted here.
"During terrestrial locomotion, the midtarsal break is also evident in the
chimpanzee foot. In studies of the pressures beneath the foot, the elevation of
the heel coincides with a shift of the center of pressure to the tarsus distal to the
midtarsal joint, especially beneath the cuboid" (Meldrum & Wunderlich, 1998)
Trying to create a track effect in sand proves nothing, why not sculpt the track then interpret them?
Before criticizing someone,read what they are saying and try to be objective,otherwise you sound petty and foolish.
Why don't you explain all of Meldrum's field experience in detail for us all?
The fact is you can't. I want to know how many trips he has had, how many days he has spent in the field, locations, who accompanied him, what equipment did he use, what time of year, what were his results?
All the Meldrum critics amaze me with their lack of facts.............
Meldrum can't have it both ways...mid tarsal is in the hominid family...the apes...apes are quadrupeds, tree climbers so the joint supports those mentioned...a true biped has no need for a mid tarsal joint...our foot flexes from the ball and toes so we are indeed true bipeds...if a Monster has a mid tarsal joint then it highly suggests it is some type of hominid..."all hominids are quadrupeds"...all of them...so my question to Meldrum would be...why would Monsters have a mid tarsal joint?...I've heard him say to help climb in rugged terrain...I fully understand his comment but it doesn't explain the why he thinks Monsters are strictly bipeds when some of us know for fact Monsters are quadrupeds as well as bipeds...and yes I do know Meldrum supports these creatures as being some type of ape...
That's my rub with Meldrum...actually I agree that Monsters have a mid tarsal joint but if he had experience, saw Monsters quadrupedal, it would help support his theory he derives solely from pictures...it comes back to that word experience...every program Meldrum discusses the mid tarsal joint he uses the Laverty track which by the way was more then likely cast by Dahinden since there is a smoking pipe for track size reference in the photo...He has hundreds of casts but yet uses the same cast to verify his thinking...
BTW...I have read the majority of his articles...not once does he mention Monsters being able to comfortably go down on all fours...and I'm not on a crucifiction march for Meldrum...what I want is the man to get off his axx and hit the field in an area of activity and quit tromping in areas you couldn't find a tank in let a lone a BF...
Now...MK and his tracks...MK has traveled to Bluff Creek on several occasions...his walking bare footed in that particular substrate with a toe/ball push does appear similar to a mid tarsal joint...I have personally seen his video of his tracks which IMO could be interpreted as Monster tracks with a mid tarsal joint...I have no idea of any personal differences Meldrum and MK may have...but MK is a member of this forum...Meldrum is not and according to forum rules MK has the right to suggest anything he pleases about the good doctor...
Interesting topic but let us all read the forum rules before we hit that button...and yes that does include me...
Lonewolf, if you have a problem with me or my postings on this forum, please approach the moderator for my email address, and lets talk privately please. I can't see what I said warrantying that kind of response? I know Jeff well, and spoken with him many times both personally and through correspondence. A disagreement on a Bigfoot related issue is rather inconsequential. It doesn't mean that I'm condemning the man. I am, however concerned with the condition of our relationship. Whether a walking style, or a mid tarsal break produces this pressure ridge, I still consider it a good indicator that it could be Sasquatch related. M.K.
Why don't you invite him to go on an excursion with you?
Maybe he will get acquainted with the Louisiana variety and see first hand what you are talking about?
What if both theories are correct and it depends on species......? Just sayin....
M.K. You do awesome work !
What would you think if you found one of these out in the brush?
A skull known as KNM-ER 1470, found in 1972 in Kenya, was at the center of the debate over the number of species of early Homo living nearly 2 million years ago. It had a larger brain and a flatter face than H. habilis, leading some researchers to declare it a distinct species they dubbed Homo rudolfensis. [See Photos of the New Homo Fossils]
Looks ape IMO...by Monster Hunter
Odd looking skull and folks to read the article...it is interesting...Thanks Versatile...
i support this hypothesis and any that are closely tied in to its central theme
as usual w/ these early human progenitors they all mostly came from africa and populations evolved and developed a little differently and when their territories overlapped they had close enough genetics to breed. Just take a look at all these different pre-humans that were running around throughout history:
kind of a interesting discovery though if its indeed another subspecies of homo,...itll be cool when we figure out of it sasquatchs and humans have Chromosomal crossover abilities, and if the 2 species can breed sucessfully because thatll be a fun nail in the coffin to hammer in(wonder if the government would allow it...)
Tim...sorry but I must have deleted your email...by Monster Hunter
I've had a killer cold this week so my thinking could be a little foggy...but...the man you referred to has an imagination...his stories are embellished to the point as nearly being complete lies...I personally have spoken with him, his mother and I believe his sister some years back about a report...what he told me is somewhat different then what he wrote in the book...as far as going out doing hand to hand with a Monster is more then unbelievable IMHO...
Something that we all need to remember...there are many interested and reporting stories about Monsters...very few, maybe a handful out of a thousand, have any idea of what they are doing...anyone can make sxxx up which IMO happens on a daily basis...either these researchers have no idea of what they are seeing/hearing or they have one hexx of an imagination...
MH thanks again for your time and insight. Just trying to seperate fact from fiction. All the best to you and the message board regulars.
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I love this Site.
That is why I would ask here.
Have seen numerous Drawings and Paintings of;
Along with Great photos here.
Have heard of these "Bugger's", moving
on all 4's. QUAD.
Be great to see something of a Witness Drawing;
Drawing of a Monster down on all fours...by Monster Hunter
Several different people saw this Monster at MC a few years back...
Received in email...Thanks T...by Monster Hunter
I don't know how to post photos on the forum so I thought I'd send this to you in case you'd like to post it yourself.
The photo is a good example of how other animals, in this case a mother bear and cub, can be misidentified as a bf animal. This sow and her three cubs ran across my niece's horse pasture just yesterday. The mom and one cub stood up just before hitting the bush. Notice too how when one sees a wild animal and only has seconds to get the shot at a distance that it doesn't come out as clear as one would like it to.
this screams bear for 2 reasons, shape and positions of ears, and length of arms....both of whoch you can see are clearly bear.....now, if somebody could get a nice monster to stop dead on edge of rfield instead of in trees, we might have something.....
anyone who has seen a monster clearly knows it was no bear.....Ive seen a bear also, and look in bear's eyes was not the same, as well as any other physical trait other than hair color....
I get the point of the exercise, just if I saw these 2 bears instead of what I did, I wouldnt have ever thought twice of going back to the same place...
I agree Scott...by Monster Hunter
I'm not a bear person but there is no doubt I would know it was bear...but...I do see the point...a quick look by some might make them believe it is Monster...I know quite a few who have Monster on the brain...every little sound or movement they think Monsters...
the bears took that same position behind some brush where they couldn't be clearly seen. Bears like to stand up on two legs to see better if they hear or see something they can't identify.
Remember that photo of the porcupine in the tree a couple of years ago? People were saying bigfoot. It drove me crazy! lol
MH you're right, I do my dangdest to prove to myself that it isn't a BF and that goes for sounds, unusual stuff I find in the woods and pictures. I heard an unusual "calling" between two animals last week and spent two days listening to sound files on the internet trying to connect the vocalization to any known animal in North America, even ones I know we don't have in east Tx. Russell was with me and he had never heard the sound before either, but the jury is still out on what we heard. I don't know what it was but I'm not going to say that is was a "Monster" that made the sound.
Al once said something to me that really stuck when it comes to what you see and hear in the woods when looking for these critters. We were looking at a rather large "shelter" and he had been pointing out how the limbs and trees had been put together. After a few minutes I said " So you're telling me that a Monster made this.'' Al said " No, I'm telling you that something with an opposable thumb made this." I wanted to strangle him for saying that but after thinking about it I realized that his way of looking at things was more effective than mine was at the time. So I began looking at things that I heard/saw/smelled/ in the same way that Al did. It works.
You don't mistake a Bigfoot for a Bear, or the other way around.
When I saw the pic, the very first thing I thought was " Bear".
IMHO, the only person that could mistake one for the other is somebody that has never seen either one, it would be like mistaking a timber wolf for a chihuahua, or a horse for a cow, it just isn't done.
When you have foliage or ground cover between you and whatever....makes things harder to identify. I have seen a lot of things that I was positive were one thing, until I got round to a better view to find whatever it was was something else entirely.
Pictures make it even harder to be sure.
Two bears standing in an open field is hard to misinterpret.
Dark shadowy things behind tress and tall grass are sometimes just that. Dark shadows and stumps and such.
There is a picture floating around right now that the exact discussion is about...monster or a couple bears.
That dopy Jacobs picture is still being touted as a BF, when any sane person will see it is a bear. But hey, the disagreement continues.
Well, you get my point.
not BF. I don't think that many people would confuse bear shape for BF shape as you think. But thats just my HO.
Are there any investigators in West Virginia that would care to make a trip to Lincoln County to look over my place for any sign of BF??? I have seen red eyes shining in the dark on a couple of occaisions, saw a dead calf with its lips eaten off (from a distant, could have had other damage?), heard something very large running down a powerline, and had a few times where I felt I needed to leave my place. Archery season is coming in the last day of Sept. and I want to check my place for any signs that would indicate any BF activity before then.
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I assume you're a grown man...?by Monster Hunter
During day light hours go to the property and scout around for sign...carry a gun of choice for critters...take a friend or two or maybe your dog and look things over...if you're a woodsman you'll notice anything unusual especially on property you own or hunted for a period of years...
Oh...one more piece of advice...leave your imagination at home...what if you hadn't heard about a BF?...BTW...what makes you think it was a BF without seeing one?...
I have never seen Monster eyes glow in the dark which also includes all animals without some type of light source...I've haven't had a reliable source tell me they have seen eye shine without some type of light...
Maybe it was a bear(s) or a herd of deer running down the power line right of way?...did you check for tracks?...IMO if it were Monster it would have hit the brush or timber and not run down a high line right of way...
The dead calf...sounds like buzzards , coyotes, dogs or possums beat you to the carcass...
Please come back after your trip and tell us what you have found...
47 years old, and the eyes glowing were doing so when my light hit them. I have been actively hunting and walking these woods since I was young boy. The reason I was wanting an investigator to come take a walk through with me is I am not sure if I am looking for the right clues to come to any conclusion. I have walked through the woods MANY times after dark with a flashlight (and without), and I have NEVER seen eyes that glow red (or more of an orangish-red to be exact).
And the calf kill I thought was unusual because I did not see any blood, guts, nor any other damage done that would suggest coyotes (or any other known animal) had killed it. Besides, the calf in question was at least 400 pounds.
As per the running down the power-line, whatever it was, it was very heavy and it did cut into the woods half-way down the hill. Guess I should have been more elaborate with my details.
And the feelings of unease, those times were not that often, but they were very real. I just want to know what to look for if there is anything on my place that could potentially hurt my 20 year old son or my 16 year old step-son, and that is my only concern.
I had one encounter in the Cranberry Back-Country where a friend and I were walking the two miles back into the South Fork shelter, when all @#$% broke loose and something took off running down over the hill breaking what sounded like MAJOR limbs, trees and laurel. That was very scary, but we went on to the shelter with no other incident. On that trip, it was around 2:30 in the morning and there was snow on the ground and a full moon out and we were walking with our flashlights off.
And in short, I have never seen a Bigfoot, Sasquatch, Monster or whatever people want to call them, but I have seen what I think was a bedding area, have heard screeches that ended in a growl, have seen stick and wood formations and rocks piled up.....many things that I have read of on bigfoot websites, but I have not seen a hairy man-like creature.
Are they real, personally I don't know from having actually seen one, but I HAVE seen and heard things that I do not know what it was.
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Monty...careful who you get to walk your woods with you...by Monster Hunter
Quite a few of those who call themselves researchers couldn't find a flea on a bald headed man's head...IMO...get a friend and walk the area with you...look for tracks, scuff marks...listen carefully to the different critter sounds and noises...little before dark, around 20 to 15 minutes, the Monsters usually start locating calls...if they bed close to your property you'll hear them...
BTW...many items reported as being done by a Monster can easily be explained...weather plays a large part in tree and limb damage...people stack rocks for reference points, property markers and sometimes to just stack rocks...
A large antlered deer makes a lot of racket when running through brush as will a hog or bear...you need to verify these sounds by locating tracks...hang a few game cameras...make a food plot, hang feeders and monitor closely with your game cameras...after you have established a good food plot walk the areas looking for trails leading into and around your plots...where would Monsters hunt deer?...would they rather randomly find and chase a deer down?...or would it be an easier meal for a Monster(s) to ambush a deer or other animals headed to the food plots?...
As you walk the area take pictures of what you think is unusual...put them up here and let us help...maybe we can or maybe we can't but you have nothing to lose by doing this...
Personally, and I've told my boys this many times, I'll be damned if I let anything run me off of my property...
And per your last statement, I will not let ANYTHING run me off my property neither.
I will be headed back to the farm Saturday to start cutting downed trees from my hunting spot, and will keep in mind what you have said. If I do find anything, I will post in my next message what I have seen.
I am 80% disabled, so I don't walk the hills and woods as much as I used to, but I will be checking things out for anything unusual. Thanks again for your reply.
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Disabilities kind of suck when Monster hunting...by Monster Hunter
I have two bad knees and walking long distances is out of the question so I take my time...walk a while...rest the knees a while...takes me twice as long to cover the area I'm interested in but I want to see and hear with my eyes and ears...good luck and keep us posted...
Saw nothing unusual today at my farm (actually it is completely wooded other than my Grandmothers old house seat where she was raised, and the roads, but is no longer an actual working "farm").
Did not really go looking for any sign of BF because my son and I had too many trees to cut out of our
hunting spots, but still did not notice anything out of the usual.
Do any of you think that these BF are migraters??? Every thing that I have seen or heard has been in the fall of the year. Any speculations???
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Photographs from Sheliaby Grumpy
These are the two photographs Shelia tried to post earlier.
Shelia, noticed what looked like an out line of a head and eyes from an earlier post you had.
Interesting, thanks for posting.
Yea that one got quite close while I was fishing, 20' more or less.
is a message that they've been moved or deleted?
Repost of Photographsby Grumpy
Since some may be having problems viewing I re-posted in a different format.
looks like bears to me.
Look higher near the top of the pic....and we don't have bears here or didn't when that pic was taken, they have since turned a few loose here but I've never seen one nor seen the tracks of one.
Those are nice.
What would you say the height of the thingy on the right was?
Might be a bear, but I think it looks interesting.
Crispy, the one in the second pic is about 6' tall, she looks taller because she is standing on a log that is about 2.5 feet off the ground. Seriously we didn't have bear here when that pic was taken.
I have no idea how tall it is.......standing on a tree or not...LOL Why I asked, no scale in the picture. Which is fine. I have had to go back out and measure tree limbs to get size perspective.
It looks like something I have seen, but it is too bad there is so much foliage. There is just enough to be interesting, but not enough to be certain. Ain't that always how it is...
You know what it is, just hard to convince the rest of us because we weren't there, and haven't experience the history there that you have.
Bear thing, not trying to insult. I am not familiar with your area or the critters you normally have there running around.
I am curious about your time spent . I forget whether you said you have been observing them or interacting with them. I recently opened a business, and now I am just always tired and forgetful. But mostly I am at work........which has really cut into my hanging in the woods time.
I do like reading good stories of people experiences though!
Crispy, my good old friend, your memory loss is not from hard work.... your just getting OLD!!!! And since your about 3000 miles away I don't have to worry about your kicking my butt.... LOL
I have been observing them for about 10 years now. I don't really interact with them, though from time to time they will "interact" with me in some form or another. They are aware I'm watching them and I'm aware they are watching me.
At one time I was quite generous with the sharing of my pictures and what I was learning about these animals but stopped having anything to do with the entire BF "community" after being likened to Janice Coy one too many times. I basically decided that what I learned about these creatures I would take to the grave with me and I most likely will. I learned the hard way that women researchers who get results are neither respected nor taken seriously.
I have learned quite a lot about these animals as I see them all the time. It is a rare thing for me to hit the woods and not have an encounter, unless the creek has dried up and they aren't here.
Janice Coy I am not, I don't talk to these creatures unless one of them does something to startle me or throws something at me. Then I chew them out for it. I don't believe they understand the words but they definitely understand the tone, even a dog understand voice tones. None of my critters come to the door and ask for garlic, though one did try to come in and visit with my boyfriend one night while I was at work. LOL
I've had some very close encounters, I'm talking feet, not yards. The closest one has ever gotten to me was about 8 feet. She was a young one, probably a 3-4 year old and she was standing under my deer stand looking up at me on opening morning of the 2010 deer season. That was a very interesting encounter and my first thought when I saw her was: " Oh SXXT! Where is your Mama!" Her mama called her away from there just a few seconds later and just before the youngster dropped to all 4's and took off she made a sound that sounded like a chuckle or maybe a monkey giggle. Yea some of them, especialy the juveniles seem to have a sense of humor. The reason I say that is because it's never the adults that do things like sneak in close and try to startle me or throw things in my directions. They never throw anything big and never throw rocks, it's always something like an acorn or hickory nut and they've never hit me with any of them. Which they easily could if they wanted to.
I will drop this little tidbit of information for ya'll. They are excellent mimics and I do mean excellent and they can and will mimic human speech. My experiences with this lead me to believe that they mimic the same way as a parrot does with about the same understanding. Now if ya'll want to hear the rest of the story of how I encountered that the first time let me know and I'll tell it because it is quite amusing.
And I do not compare you to anyone.Love to read what you've got to say.
I have been thinking about checking out Lake Palestine area myself when I get a little funding soon.
You must have been on that old BFF forum. They will make your head hurt.
say something to Grumpy.....but now I can't remember what it was.....
because I want to hear anything you wish to share with us.
Hi Ruby, good to see you're still here, you may not remember but we met at the Cryptozoology Conference in '06.
remember talking with you about photos you had brought for viewing there. It was the first time my husband, who has never been a skeptic and wants to see one in the field, met my Bigfoot Researcher friends. One photo you brought showed a large pair of eyes watching from the woods. Gave me nightmares because,to me, they were not all that friendly. I have missed your posts and am glad you are back posting on the MB.
Ruby remembers Sheila!
Ruby are you talking about the pic of the BF with the green eyes or a different pic?
To me, there was intelligence in those eyes and a "don't mess with ME" attitude.
Yea he had quite the attitude in those eyes, I need to round that pic up and post it I think.
by all means. I love seeing photos and trying to pick out the beast!
a full discription of your bf...from head to toe.
I have two types here. I have an "ape" type that looks like king kong with a high sagital crest, heavy brow ridges, is barrel chested, thick in build with ape like facial features. This type tend to be shorter and heavier with the tallest being the alpha male of this group which stands about 8' tall. I have named the Alpha male of this group "Kong"
The other type is more human looking. They have human type facial features, are taller and slimmer built, heavier brow ridges than a human with a rounder head than their apelike counterparts. The alpha male of this group stands about 10' tall. I named him "Bignose" and have always laughed and said he looked like Karl Malden.
I sent Grumpy pics of the two alpha males for him to post. The one of Kong sucks but the one of Bignose is a little better. Will explain them better once posted.
love your pictures, please send us more please! And thank you so much for the ones you have sent.
Please tell us more.
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and no photos.
Repost of photographsby Grumpy
Ruby, scroll down to the 'repost of photographs' post below the original.
I am happy to report that my son is back home now recuperating and he's doing great. He's been off his pain meds, he uses his quad cane to get around, he has his right arm in a sling because of the broken collarbone,and I help him with getting his showers. The wounds from the chest tubes have healed. He sure hated being in the hospital...he called every day and cried wanting to just come home. My life in July was what you would call a unending nightmare with phone calls galore from family, friends and doctor offices and mail with forms in them to fill out and insurance people calling me. And the phone still hasn't quit ringing yet...now the cardiologist who saw me in the hospital is telling me I have an enlarged heart and wants me to either get a chemical stress test done or a heart catheterization to determine if there is a blockage somewhere...and I don't care to have either. I have had to get new glasses since my other pair were damaged and I had to get a new vehicle also so I've been busy trying to get our lives back to some kind of normalcy. I'm finally able to put up my "Thank-you!" to all who sent prayers our way...they were truly appreciated and helped my son to recovery.
My new vehicle is a 2012 Jeep Compass...my husband researched to find a vehicle that had plenty of airbags and good safety rating.
Here's a picture of my wrecked 99 Mercury Sable...my son is lucky to be alive...he was in the seat next to this damage:
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have made Canada and the U.S. the countries they are today! Glad to hear you're through the worst of it!
Now that's a wreck...by Monster Hunter
Good to hear your son is on the mend...like him...I ain't real partial to hospitals either...
I need for you to E-Mail me if you will. You talked to me on the phone quite a few years ago, I submitted the report from Lincoln County WV. I have only recently gotten back on-line as my old computer crashed, and just now got a new computer. I need you or someone to come to my property and take a walk-through with me. E-mail me for more details if you're interested. Hunting season is coming soon, and I need to do this before hunting season begins. I need some answers, so looking forward to hearing from you. MontyK3.
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What?...a no doubt clear picture of Nessie...Really!!!by Monster Hunter
'The most convincing Nessie photograph ever':Skipper claims to have finally found proof that Loch Ness Monster exists...
And I thought we did some reaching with Monster pictures...
Saw this a few days ago,by Grumpy
wasn't impressed then or now.............. LOL
That alone makes me question the credibility of the article.
OK got it this time I think, once again, I'm not claiming these are anything LOL, and the only way they have been photo shopped is they were clipped out of larger pictures and "auto enhanced" for color and clarity. These were all taken here on the farm.
Tracks, that is a size 9 men's shoe for reference.
Some of that cane is 12- 15' tall.
This one got a little bit close, about 20' or so. I was fishing, heard her walk up, took the pic and then forgot she was there, I startled her when I got up to leave and she spooked the hell out of me when she took off.
Thanks for sharingby Grumpy
Shelia, looks like you figured it out this time... LOL Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for letting us have a look see....
Ok same as before, not photoshopped except to clip from a larger photo and "auto enhance".
This is a young flat head, probably 2-3 years old, I have 2 types here, these that look like apes I call flat heads and the ones that look more "human" I call round heads.
Pretty flathead female ( well pretty for a "Monster" anyway.) she's only about 6' tall, she looks taller because she's standing on a log.
Shelia, you must have changed something since these photo's require a flicker account to view when clicked on.
Dang I did these just like I did the others, I'm not sure why these require a flikr account and the others didn't, will try again later to repost, sigh some days I'm blond all the way to the roots LOL.
Grumpy, see if you can view them now.
Still requires a log in, at least on my computer, and to just view them is impossible since to increase the size enough to view causes to much distortion. Maybe it's just me so lets wait until someone else tries to view them.
Grumpy if you'll give me you email addy I'll email them to you.
I logged in and it tells me the photos are private.
Man/Human or Beast...by Monster Hunter
As most know I've done years of BF research and have seen my fair share of Monsters...what I have seen does not in any form or fashion look human to me...as a matter of fact this Monster, a male, looks like his corn bread ain't quite done...I have friends who have been doing this for a while and they have seen Monsters that look more human in the face...me...the one's I see always have that ape looking face...What's the deal?...either the one's I have seen have a very limited gene pool or maybe there are several different types of Monsters?...BTW...look at its foot...how many toes do you see?...if this ain't a Monster I'll kiss your foot...
It's none of the above..............
odd looking-this poor fellow ain't gonna win any beauty pageants that's for sure.
Crop circles appear in E. Washington wheat field...by Monster Hunter
Those darn aliens are ruining our planted wheat fields...what little there is since the drought has killed most of it...
Lone Wolf...by Monster Hunter
Call me when you have some free time...When I think about calling you it's usually around 5AM your time...I still want to be friends therefor no early AM calls...
First off. I am not claiming that this is anything, it is just a pic that was taken here on the farm. I'm posting it for ya'll to look at and speculate. The only way that it has been altered is that 1. it was clipped out of a larger photo and 2. it was "auto enhanced" to improve color and focus.
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Ok someone tell me how to insert pics into messages please.
Posting Picturesby Grumpy
Shelia, both Jim and I use Photobucket, or you could email either of us and we will post for you.
Ms Francis called this morning...by Monster Hunter
She went to bed late after a telephone call so decided to read...as she laid in bed she heard something walking outside next to her bed room window...this is really not unusual but for some reason this spooked her a bit...I have taken pictures of tracks right at her window...
Around 7 AM she was outside seeing a Monster back in the pines so she went in, retrieved a camera, the digital I gave her and took several pictures...distance is going to be a factor...about 100 yards...she said it wasn't the biggest one with a grey beard...she tried to get a response without any luck...
Kind of surprised me the whatever outside walking around spooked her...she is usually fearless..she said she got up and laid on the couch...got to thinking if a Monster broke in her bedroom window she may not hear it while on the couch so she got up and went back to bed...LOL...she is quite a lady...
She along with Ms. Shirley have quite a few spooky things going on around their homes...you have to be pretty darn tough to stay at home by yourself...
Her nerves is an after-effect of having her home paranoramally investigated...
Ms. Francis hasn't had her home investigated for Ghosts...by Monster Hunter
just yet...maybe sometime in the future but as of now...no...and BTW...no more freebies from the folks who want to investigate...cash, In God We Trust, will get them in the door...no checks...no promises...this goes for both the ladies...Ms. Francis and Ms. Shirley...
but didn't you recently write you were "going on a ghost hunt"? I thought I read that you were. Was it conducted at Ms Shirley's place? I thought, for some strange reason, it was conducted at Mrs. Frances' place until about 4:30 a.m. Sorry...My original point is this--ghost activity and BF activity seem to be happening in the SAME woods and sometimes simultaneously. And when one adds in the UFO activity happening today, (However, I don't personally believe the little 'gray' aliens bring monsters to Earth), you have some really strange activity. RIGHT???
FEMA Makes Preparation For UFO Attack...by Monster Hunter
This may be an older video but according to what is said...if accurate...stick your head between your legs and kiss your arse goodbye...
Some of them in the government...I think even Biden....have advocated the invention of a false attact from UFO's to get the economy back on track. Paul klughead (SP?) The big lefty economist has been advocating it for years.
When pressed on it they all say they are kidding and it is simply an example....still..they keep on saying it.
Still, if UFO's attack, I think we are done for!
Almost all the Astrophysicists that were hellbent on actively seeking other life from outer space are now advocating avoiding them at all costs.
My son is a big fan of Hawking, Sagan and other well known space nerds so we have alot of books and videos around the house about them. somewhere around 10 years ago something happened that was so mind blowing that it scared them.
The realization that if another form could Bee Bop in from another galaxy just to say hello, probably is far beyond our capabilities in every single things. They somehow have evidence that whatever is out there isn't very friendly and won't want to let us rub their belly.
if you want to read up on some bizarre stuff, read up on the Zeti Reticuli Program. If that is legit, that would be awesome and scary all at the same time.
if you notice something, around 10 years ago was when Hollywood really started making the apocalyptic alien movies on large scale.
I've seen a couple of things...don't broadcast it for obvious reasons that most who see 'em don't-freak, weirdo,etc. Anyway, I believe that if most of the "UFO occupants" were hostile then we would have been toast long b4 now. This is by no means a new phenomena-strange things in the sky have been seen since we started looking up. Most of the time if I see ants(Fireants excepted!) I don't declare War on them or try and capture them-I just let em be and go on about my business. I think we are much like little ants to them and for the most part are left alone with a few exceptions.
I heard a claim not too long ago, that "the grays" were protecting us from Lizard-men (nephelium?) aliens who wanted to chop us up for their food. For some reason, when I read/heard this comment, I thought of "V" the series and how that series may actually have been onto something. LOL
I haven't posted here for quite some time but I have to on this subject. I have been a firefighter in SW Fla. for 20 years now. When I saw this I went and dug up the book. Sure enough Chapter 13 covers alien invasion. There is also a new program circulating for Zombie armageddon. We have never trained for this stuff. I think it is sort of a tounge in cheek method to throw something fun into mass casualty incident training.
If an alien attack isn't enough...by Monster Hunter
We can always hope for the zombies to come a calling...
If extra-terrestrials exist and are observing us, then they would possess the technology needed for travel faster than the speed of light, and perhaps even inter-dimensional travel. If this is the case, then they also have the technology to observe us from afar, and also to be invisible. In other words, we wouldn't see them or their ships unless they wanted us to.
A couple weeks ago I met a young man who was absolutely convinced that BF exists. I'm not sure how they came up in the conversation but anyway I offered to show him some of my pics and a hand print that I cast about 5 years ago. Well after looking through my pics and seeing the plaster hand print he tells me he wants to see one in real life....to make a long story short I took him on a tour of the farm and after a short walkabout ( we found two sets of tracks.) we settled in The Dead Zone to wait for dusk and the possible appearance of a critter or two. Well dusk arrived and with it the presence of 4 "Monsters" a young one about 3' tall, one about 6' tall, a 5' tall one and then the largest being 7'. There was no aggression or hostility expressed by these critters, when it got full dark we came back up to the house. This watch was this past Wednesday.
Friday, this young man calls and wants to "go monkey hunting again". I told him it would be Sunday before I had the time to take him. Yesterday (Sunday) morning we started early, he, my boyfriend and I did a serious walkabout on the farm and we were showing him different signs and anomolies that might indicate the presence of these critters. We just hung out at the house during the hottest part of the day and then the young man and I went back to The Dead Zone to see if some of the critters would grace us with their presence.
Just before dusk I saw one walk across one of the openings and told BJ to pay attention because we had company. Out of the corner of my eye I caught movement to my right and the outline of a large animal about 8' tall. BJ and I saw the animal about the same time. I knew immediately that this one not one of my alpha males and as we watched the animal he was pacing back and forth, never taking his eyes off of us. The distance between he and we was about 45 yards. Now, Al is probably turning flips in his grave because we weren't armed, LOL. This went on for about 5 minutes and then I started to sense hostility and aggression from this animal. This feeling continued to escalate for about the next 45 seconds to a minute and I told my young friend that it was time to go. So we got in the truck and came back up to the house. The animal made no attempt to follow us but I felt that hostility until we left that field.
The only other time that I have sensed this type of hostlity and aggression from on of these animals here on the farm was in 2006 when we had a rogue male come through here and creating havoc with the local population. We named this rogue male Damien and he did things like pick up a deer stand and throw it, broke a pine limb that was about 4" in diameter on a bull pine and then wrapped it around the pine tree, among other things that announced his presence in the area. He was seen by several people while he was here including Al and myself. In fact if he was in the same area you were in he made sure you saw him, just like this one last night did.
Anyway was wondering if anyone else has had this type of encounter, the "Monsters" here are normally non aggressive and just basically curious....well actually they are just down right nosey.
OK, let me revise my question, what I want to know really is has anyone experienced this type of behavior from any of these creatures that you interact with/see/are aware of their presence/ etc., that are normally non aggressive. I'm fully aware that they can be aggressive, but these are normally not. Interested in ya'lls thoughts on this, I do know that this animal was NOT one of my alpha males as he was not large enough in neither height nor stature. Rogue male or is there a new "Boss" inda woods?
I have had 2 different occassions in roughly the same area that were hostile feeling with intensity with the animal showing itself only while I retreated from the area in a slow fashion.
I don't think the same animal was involved in both cases. Both times they shadowed me out and both times the animals came out into full view. I never heard vocals or any other intimidating sounds like breaking limbs. Both times I just had all the hair stand up on my body and all my senses told me to leave something was wrong ( nothing indicated another animal, BTW).
It wasn't until I got to either most of the way to my 4wheeler or actually on my 4 wheeler did they make themselves visable. but both of them used their size to show themselves off. one walked off to the road my 4wheeler was on and smacked a good sized tree to shake back and forth. the other one raised one arm to grab I higher limb. I think to make himself look bigger.
Why do you call it the "Dead Zone"?...by Monster Hunter
Is it because no other critters will go into the area?...
You are correct MH, it is a rare thing to see other wildlife in this area.
And how long has there been activity to your knowledge?
Very interesting observations!
Cherokee County, Texas and I've been watching these animals for the last 10 years.
I was n the phone with Jim this morning talking about all the strange things happening down in the area he's focusing on right now. 10 minutes later I found this track in my Dad's barn. Has ANYONE seen these before?
Besides Bob, Jim and others who have seen them at Monster Central...
Three toes, split pad...
First pic uncleaned
I cleaned the trash out of the next two pics...Should have put something down for scale, but the size is around the size of a full grown German Shepherd..
Let's see a skeptic explain what left those three toed dog looking tracks Michael...by Monster Hunter
I've seen three toed tracks like that from the size of a quarter up to about the size of my fist...no idea what makes this type of print but I'll tell a story about what I witnessed...years back the timber was cut at MC...from the dim road you could see quite aways across the newly planted foot tall pine trees...there was a large spotted dog I noticed when I drove in and out of MC...at times I would stay all day but this dog would always be in the same spot...this went on for better then a week...I ran into my father-in-law one day telling him about this large spotted dog...kind of catahoula spotted...he was coming out at MC and decided to shoot the dog...no collar with a few of the neighbors calves being killed and half eaten...he shot this dog, the dog charged him so he shot the dog several times more...
Driving back in I would always look for buzzards...not one buzzard, possum or any other critter would eat this dead carcass...it laid there until there was not anything but bones and hair...I kick myself in the butt for not inspecting the carcass of this dog...for all I know it could have very well been one of those three toed critters we had found tracks from...
Moral of the story...always check and double check for evidence...
well..known animals that may have done that are..large birds, dinosaurs,.or maybe a coyote and the time the track has been exposed to drying has kinda messed it up?
This track was under a shed on my dads barn. When we get a good rain it blows under and gets the ground wet. We got rain last Thursday so the tracks were left sometime since then. It's obviously not bird, we killed all the dinosaurs out last year and Yotes have five toes and don't have a split pad. I think it might be from one of those "Hissin Critters" as I call them. Don't know what they are but folks have been seeing them for several years around here.
The color of the one me and my wife saw...
The most common color seen...
Folks have seen red too
Now that's funny Timber...by Monster Hunter
"we killed all the dinosaurs out last year"...
This could be the remains of one...
we could see the feet more clearly in these photos. What did you do with the skeleton??
I showed it around to some people who should be able...by Monster Hunter
to identify if it was a common animal...none knew what it was...
to a couple Universities. Those biology professors couldn't indentify it either.
Timberghost I took a good long look at your skeleton pics and the head of this animal looks like the skull structure of a bull mastiff dog. I did comparisons of the skull with skulls on the internet. Best I can tell on the feet ( tell me if I'm wrong ) it looks like it has 3 toes and a dew claw. I can't really tell if there was supposed to be another toe there or there was another toe there and it was cut off. Interesting skeleton, would have loved to see that in person !
When I had the skeleton I don't recall ever even paying attention to the toes. I don't think it was a bull mastiff simply because of where I found it. Way back in the mountains with absolutely no road access, miles to the nearest home and nobody in the area owned a bull mastiff.
I doubt it was a bull Mastiff, that was just the skull structure that was most similar, so whatever is sporting that kind of skull structure is going to be broad headed and most likely have very powerful jaws. I wish you had paid attention to the toes ! LOL
Michael and I both think we know what is making these tracks and IMO it is a canine of sorts........ I'm sure many of you know what I'm referring to but without proof we'll leave it for now.
Gorillas Seen Dismantling Deadly Poacher Traps...by Monster Hunter
And we wonder how Monsters avoid game cameras...BTW...stole this from Michael's/Timbers board...posted by Versatile...
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Sure you are...by Monster Hunter
Ghost Hunt...by Monster Hunter
Last night a group of local Ghost Hunters did an investigation of Ms. Shirley's home...me...I stayed out of the way leaving early but was there long enough for some of their findings...one lady investigator asked..."could you tell us your name"...EVP..a man's voice said "yeah"...very clear...
As the night went on one spirit/ghost/haint said his name was Todd while another said his name was Abaddon I think is what Ms. Shirley told me via phone conversation...so I looked up the name...(Hebrew) Destroyer, Advisor. Said to be chief of demons. Sometimes regarded as the destroying angel. Abaddon, meaning "a place of destruction", "The Destroyer",
Kind of spooky if in fact that was the name recorded...
They took several pictures outside with one photo, according to Ms. Shirley, appeared someone was carrying another...
While these folks were setting up their equipment we, the ladies and I, were sitting outside hearing several low distance howls...as the night went on Ms. Francis and Becky heard a low growl and something threw a rock hitting one of the vehicles...
They ended their investigation around 4:30 AM telling Ms. Shirley that only one previous investigation provided more "GHOSTLY" information caught on their equipment...
After reviewing what evidence they have they will put it up on their web site...I'll share the URL then...
When you read things like "Skin walkers" and then you run into places where weird energy seems to be plentiful......and then them monsters don't seem to be too far away either.
Might all be interconnected somehow.
That is one rare name to get thrown out there. I would have the heebie jeebies for sure!
Satan and his minions do have the right to, as he told God in the Book of Job, "walk to and fro on the earth."
Hey Scott...have you spoken with anybody...by Monster Hunter
who has seen a Skin Walker?...
But I have met a guy here who is pretty tight with a couple of the local medicine men. He tells me some freaky stuff he has seem while out with those folks. I believe he believes. Actually, I gave him my copy of Skin walkers to read last Saturday. I think he is almost done, so I'll see what he thinks pretty soon.
Sounds good Scott...by Monster Hunter
Could be interesting...
the one by George Knapp? That is one interesting read!
That stuff isn't anything to mess with!
Sounds Like A very interesting investigation with some interesting findings. CREEPY!!
The low down on Saturday night...by Monster Hunter
When I spoke with Ms. Shirley I'm sure she was tired from being up all night but Ms. Francis called me this morning...
According to MS. Francis:...
3 ghosts...one man named Todd, a little unnamed girl and a demon who said his name was Abaddon...
The crew left about 4:30 AM but only left after Ms. Shirley told them that was enough...the investigators were getting EVP's along with orbs, apparitions...the apparition, their photo, I know of was the photo taken outside where it appeared one apparition was carrying another...I don't know if you remember...I have a game camera picture where it does appear, IMO, that a Monster is carrying a Monster...
Before the Ghost investigation began several of us were sitting on the back porch...a few yards from us was a rather large round sandy area where Doug removed an above ground pool...of course I walked around while I was there and did look in this bald sandy spot...not any tracks of anything...Ms. Francis told me this morning there were Monster tracks that measured about 23 inches in length in this round sandy area...I know for fact the tracks were not there while I was there...
After I left Ms. Francis and Becky thought they saw a Monster close to the chicken pen...later heard a rock hit one of the parked vehicles...there have been day time sightings by and behind this chicken pen...Ms. Francis is unafraid of anything I'm aware of...she doesn't have an over active imagination so when she hears or sees something I do believe her word...as a matter of fact...in the bedroom where the investigators caught the name Abaddon Ms. Francis spent the night at Ms. Shirley's and slept in that bedroom...
While sitting outside, about 7 PM, a thunderstorm was brewing all around us...lightning along with huge thunder claps...this is when we heard the distance howls...unusual sounding howls...
As mentioned above...I left around 9:30 that night to make the hour and forty five minute drive home, but I did hear the one EVP where the lady asked..."could you tell us your name"...a man's voice, clearly said..."yeah"...apparently that was Todd...
I have no intentions of doing any Ghost Hunting...If I can't see it, shoot or stab it with my rusty knife I don't want to be involved but it does make me think that possibly Ghosts and Monsters may inhabit the same general locations for unknown reasons...here's my thinking...I know for fact there are Monsters on this property...apparently there are some type of apparitions there that was caught on my video system...three different times I have caught unusual somethings at Ms. Francis home...at Ms. Shirley's, according to Doug, Ms. Shirley and another man, a huge dark shadow was caught on video behind the house early July...kind of appeared, remained there for about 10 to 15 seconds before disappearing...
Saturday while I was reviewing video a few strange things happened...the outside security light came on...nothing in video but I guess a power surge or electrical problem could cause the lights to go on...another instance caught on video...sometime after midnight on the 17th...the side storm door opens, the security lights do not come on, the door remains open for about 30 seconds...as it closes it appears there is a human looking form that opened the storm door, held it open and closed while going back inside...of course we see various bugs flying around at night but there are other unexplainable things moving around caught on video...the cameras are set up for day time but with the ambient outside lights we do see strange but maybe explainable items back in the shadows...things you can barely see because of movement...
This may sound goofy to some of the skeptics but driving home late one night I stopped at the rural dump to throw away some trash...I got back in my jeep and about a mile from the dump had one of the strangest feelings that there was someone in the jeep with me...I stopped, opened all the doors including the back...nothing...a few days later is when my wife's poodle began looking down the hall barking, three of my dog feed pans came up missing, I saw, what I thought was Jake, breaking a limb which caught my attention seeing something standing behind some smaller pines and dead hanging pine straw
wearing a checkered shirt at MC...three of our SD cards came up missing...Jake and I drove back to where we had the cameras...couldn't find the SD Cards but when driving out a huge pile of brush was across the lane we drove in on...
Sounds strange but I do firmly believe there are "many" things going on that we are not aware of...
is this--after you open the doors, including the back door, of your Jeep say out loud, "IF any spirit is trying to hitch a ride home with me...GET OUT NOW...you are not welcomed at my place." IF you had known to do this, perhaps your wife's poodle would have had nothing to bark at. When we lived in our Alief "crack house," our dog Gizmo barked at the thin air, at certain times of both day and night. Very glad when we moved from that place. Sometimes shadows, noises and feelings there were too much for me.
You have your own "Skinwalker Ranch" over there!
there's "hell" to pay and she will need to contact someone to help her get rid of it. There has to be a connection between big furries and ghosts/spirits but I couldn't begin to guess what it is. Perhaps, ghosts entertain them just like living people do...who can say? Will look forward to viewing the evidence, when you put it up.
Something I hadn't noticed before...by Monster Hunter
The whatever, apparition, thing has what appears as a light reflection...this thing just floated by one night...I know it wasn't a bug or some type of insect...about thirty yards from the camera by the old cooler trailer...
Picture from the video...by Monster Hunter
The face...or something...by Monster Hunter
Also on channel 4 but when changing out the DVR's I randomly attach the video wires so the floating thing would be on channel 2...this face or whatever was captured on video first...
BTW...no idea what this is...by Monster Hunter
I do know the camera was about 7 to 7 1/2 ft. off of the ground and at night the video is almost if not all completely black...
Ms Shirley took the below photo at Ms. Francis home...by Monster Hunter
This is the same area where the face showed up on the camera one night...the ladies were sitting on the back porch enjoying their coffee when they noticed these Monsters moving around...
I have a new theory re: Miss Shirley's property.
This sounds like a classic case of a person disappearing just like in David Paulides book.
Can't help but express my amazement at the info these two books have provided. If these cases aren't a clear cut indicator that one of these monsters needs to be bagged I can't think of another one. Obviously they pose a danger to man and the idea that they are innocent creatures has long since vanished from my thoughts.
Found...by Monster Hunter
volunteers have found a 97 year old Vinton County woman who had been missing.
Edna Clay was found alive and talking but appears to have suffered injuries from a fall.
The Vinton County Sheriff's Office says Clay was located Saturday in an empty creek, down a large embankment in the Brooks Martin Road area, about a mile from her residence.
She was taken to a Columbus hospital.
The Ohio Search and Rescue Team and numerous local volunteers and agencies had been out looking for Clay, who was the subject of an endangered missing adult alert issued Thursday.
So often these elderly people are found within about a mile from where they disappeared. Usually dead in a brushy ravine.