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Please...no politics...by Monster Hunter
I do understand how some feel but others may be offended...good for FaceBook...not good for our forum...
Politics and religion.
Even more taboo subjects than Bigfoot.
Sorry about that MH...
Her niece spent the night with her last night...she was sleeping in Ms. Francis bed under a quilt since she was cold...she told Ms. Francis the bed began shaking violently and something jerked the quilt off of her down to the floor...I'm telling y'all...those ladies have more going on down there than you can shake a stick at...
Jim they need to banish what's in there and then bless and protect the house in a VERY BIG way.
Get a priest/rabbi/whatever in there.....chase/banish what's in there from the house, the property, the county - and move on with life.
Who knows, maybe what haunts the house is what keeps the monsters around? (just a thought - you never know!)
-Mike in NC
I would just like to say thank-you. Too all the good folks;
who take their time to post their photos, and info. here.
I really enjoy it all.
Keep up the good work, and be safe out there.
i would like to thank u jim for being there for me and ms francis when no one else was thank u for helping us with all you've done all the long trips you've made down here when we were so afarid and for teaching us what to do you have become a good friend to us all we have learned a lot from u again thank you shirley and francis,
I always enjoy the visits and conversations we all have...by Monster Hunter
I know we have posted on the forum of some of the many unusual happenings around your homes...submitting a post, being there in person and getting to experience the weird things that go on there from time to time are priceless...Monsters/Ghosts/ whatever else you all have down there are more than interesting...but I do believe one of y'alls ghosts hitch hiked home with me one night...LOL...little bugger set up camp inside my home so I had to get my partner Lonewolf to tell me how to run his butt off...skeptics that don't believe...fine by me but with that said there are more than many unusual critters running around that most are not aware of...and I do believe you all have quite a few of them...
We talk on the phone on a regular basis...text back and forth on things that go on...bet there is not a handful of investigators/researchers that have that kind of friendship with contacts...just like being in a close knit family...
You and Doug, Ms. Francis and Becky are dear friends...may not ever discover what these Monsters are but the friendship you all have given me will never be forgotten...
One day I came down...the front door was open so I knocked on the storm door...Doug told me to come on in that I didn't need to knock I was family...now IMO...that's friendship...
I'm fortunate to have met you all and looking forward to this Wednesday for a visit...
I know what you say is true; have had my own paranormal experiences. I DID not like my house being haunted by demons and was glad when the angels showed up, which they did on more than one occasion while we lived there. The spirit world surrounds us and as we get closer to the "end of the age," ghosts and demons will get worse with their tricks.
Keep up the good work. I know the ladies are truly grateful for you.
I have no idea exactly what these ladies have...by Monster Hunter
But I do know they have Monsters...seems like every new picture is one we haven't seen before...according to what I have personally witnessed and what I have heard recorded by the ghost hunters they definitely have what we would consider spirits/ghosts/haints...
Something I didn't point out in the last picture I posted...I did see but didn't mention...several text or emailed of what they saw...I know to the left and center of the picture those are Monsters...I have no idea what that long necked joker is on the right hand side...this whatever is standing behind an old pile of stacked lumber where I told the ladies the Monsters would come up to watch them from...
It does appear, of course IMO, that this long necked joker is holding a small one since I think I can see the bottom of a foot...
you have to really look to see what I'm talking about but what I see is on the left hand side down below the chest area...
I have had more than one paranormal experience and have had them all of my life. There is a verse in the Bible ( I can't remember where it is.) that says. "Men would die of fright if they could see in daylight what abounds at midnight." This pretty much tells us there are other entities out there and I would figure a bunch of them would be up to no good.
Bigfoot/Ghosts/entities of different varieties are easily dismissed...by Monster Hunter
by the skeptics...I at one time was one of those skeptics...after being introduced reluctantly I've come to realize there are many things that go bump in the day and night that haven't been discovered...
It's easy to sit on your axx and ask for evidence...the hard part is gathering the evidence...investigators/researchers are slowly gathering this evidence and believe me...it's time consuming and expensive at times...
is in South Jackson and while my property doesn't have Sasquatch, it does have SOMETHING that has gone on here off and on for years. The home I live in was built sometime in the early 1930's. After we had been here a couple of years something called my name "Mike" at the end of my bed clear as day. I was much too scared to turn over and look to see what/who it was though. A few years later something kept tapping very lightly on my bedroom door which led into the hallway. I thought it was my mom so after a few times I stormed out of bed, threw the door open to-no one. I stomped down the hall thinking my mom was messing with me. When I entered her room, she was snoring, so I doubted it was her. I went back to my room and was sitting on my bed when something BANGED on the window right where I was sitting 5 times in rapid succession. Scared the u-know-what outta me. The next day I told my dad who didn't live here that last night somebody was knocking on my window outside. He said, son if someTHING was knocking on THAT window, it was INSIDE because there was a screen on the window outside. That didn't make me feel any better because I thought great, it's inside the damn house. Off and on, but enough to make a body feel a bit uneasy at times...
1 John 4:4 tells us that greater is he that is in us than he that is in the world. If you are a born again child of God, there is nothing to fear from evil spirits. Simply call on the name of the most High and the evil will flee from you. The bible says that evil spirits fear the name of God and will flee from it. Rest assured on the promises of God. He is a most powerful, awesome God and he is only a prayer away! Rest on this promise! In James 4:7, it says that the devil himself will flee from you when you submit yourself to the will of God and resist the devil. The Bible is full of stories that tell of evil spirits recognizing the power and might of God. John 14 tells us that we have the power of God, and have the ability to do great things through the holy Spirit that indwells within all believers. Use this power, accept and believe in this promise, and there is nothing to fear from the powers of this world.
Yes Big D it does but Luke 11:24 tells us that casting them out is not permanent.
When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he goes through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he says, I will return to my house from which I came. 25 And when he comes, he finds it swept and put in order. 26 Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter and dwell there; and the last state of that man is worse than the first.
If an unbeliever gets a demon cast out but does not invite Christ in, then it's open house for the demon and his buddies, but if Christ is in there, they have to find another vessell in which to dwell.
Just my take on it.
This is true, however if the evil spirit is cast out by envoking the Holy Spirit of God, and the Holy Spirit indwells the person, the evil spirit or spirits have no dominion there when they return. You have taken the verses out of context. In the first part of Chapter 11, the pharisees were accusing Jesus of casting out evil spirits in the name of the devil. Jesus asks why would evil cast out evil? (paraphasing of course). This is where the saying "a house divided against itself will fall" (verse 17). The story that Jesus was telling in the verses prior to the ones you listed was that when He casts out spirits, His Kingdom comes in and indwells within you. So the house has not just been cleaned out, it has been ceaned out and occupied by a more powerful presence (His Kingdom). He again restates this by saying that a strong man can lose his possessions to a stronger man if attacked. Especially if the strong man puts his faith in the wrong things (ie. his might alone). When we put our destiny in our own capabilities and might alone, we are setting ourselve up for failure when a more prepared, more powerful enemy comes along. And though we may repel the enemy (temptation) for a while, the enemy will simly go get more help and come back and eventually we will fall, unless we are protected by the will of someone sronger than ourselves. That someone is GOD!
If you will reread the entire chapter, with this post in mind, I think you will see that you actually helped me proved what I said in my post, that is that God is all we need to put the devil and his evilness behind us. Thanks for responding. God Bless!
I was really just giving you a hard time LOL, not inspiring to evoke a theological debate. MH basically just told us to "cool it" and he's right this is not the place for this type of discussion.
Sorry. That was not my intention at all. I was just responding to the posts about evil spirits and how to get rid of them, so I responded with a solution that I know works because I have seen it first hand. If I offended anyone, I apologize. My religious belief are a part of who I am, for that I won't apologize, but I do understand that others may not believe the way I do and I respect that. But in my short time on this forum, differing beliefs are what make this forum so interesting to me. I don't get offended when people don't believe the way I do, that is part of life. Hey, I've got an ex that doesn't see anything the way I do. I guess that is why she is my ex ! Again, sorry if I offended anyone.
One thing that I figured out, the only thing that I can do that won't " Offend" somebody is to stop breathing!
No matter what you do, no matter what you say, you are gonna offend somebody, the best thing to do is to stick to your guns and develope a " right or wrong, that's my opinion and I am sticking to it" attitude.
You're wrong. I'm a firefighter/paramedic and if you stop breathing in front of me, we are going to have trouble little mister. I'm sure it will be to the point where I will have to put my hands on you and make it a physical confrontation! Thanks for responding.
about it big D you didn't do a thing wrong, it's all good I'm sure.
Thanks for the reassuring words. I would never want to intentionally offend anyone. I appreciate your words.
IMHO apologizing for one's faith/beliefs is a whole lot of what is wrong with this country. The American people have been led to believe that it is politically incorrect to offend people of other faiths or religions, but ONLY IF you are Christian. I call BS on this. As Americans we shouldn't have to apologize for anything related to religion, political views, race, color or creed. The way I look at it there is a whole lot in this world that I find offensive and no one apologizes to me so why should I hang my head in shame for what I believe in?
This is true. That is why I said I don't apologize for the way I believe, I just apologize if I offended anyone. I am not a "bible thumper" as some people refer to Christians that express their beliefs, I'm just a Christian that knows where I was and where I would be and where I would be headed were it not for the grace of my Savior.
Now as for the state of our world today, and more specifically our country as it pertains to PCness, I know that falls under what MH wants to prevent from becoming a part of this forum, and I not only respect that, but also tend to agree with with him. Maybe one day we can sit around a fire and discuss such issues, and who knows, we may just figure out how to save the world. Thank you for your post!
Please send me an email at my personal email address, I have some items I would very much like to discuss with you. Regards,
Mike, You, Grumpy or MH will have to give it to me
if you have access to my email addy please give it to Shewolf for me, thank you! Don't wanna just put it out here I have already had one stalker of sorts!
Mike you can shoot me an email at this email addy, firstname.lastname@example.org.
I never use it so someone can stalk me on it all they want to LOL. When I get your email at this address I'll give you my real email address.
He didn't say anything about your religious debate but when I mentioned Obama and threw out a political youtube on him, well, that is when he said enough.
I agree though, a Bigfoot forum is not a place for a political or theological debate.
but I know I'm outnumbered on that one! lol
Just so you'll know I took that verse out of context deliberately. I am aware of what is meant when taken in context.
I can't believe we are going down this road!!! Nutn but trouble.
Same table...by Monster Hunter
This table is on Ms. Shirley's front porch...look at both pictures...first, cell phone, has scratches that I know wasn't there and the second picture,my digital, when this female cardinal was found after walking back outside after a short visit with Doug...no scratch marks...
haha reminds me of the legend of boggy creek part with the pet cat that was scared to death but untouched ...thats what happened to the bird, it saw a BF and had a heart attack!
sometimes it feels like boggy creek around here, i had the police out here the night before these scratches were left on my table it had none on it, whatever put the scratches on there dug in realy good,it went threw several layers of stain and varnish i know because my husband made the table, any way the potrolman saw something that night he didnt know what it was but it ran in the woods by my chicken yard,i had 3 grandsons here with me that night,we heard talking and it sounded like something was draged across my front porch,truth these things are nothing to play with , so i will certinly be happy if they find a new place to go!what their attraction here is i have no ideal,but i do know they are real, and multplying.
they are attracted to paranormal activity. I don't know why I think it but have heard way too many stories about BF hanging around "haunted" graveyards where paranormal stuff has been photographed. That may be one connection. The other is they enjoy pranking/scaring you and Ms. Frances.
Hi Ms. Shirley,
This is Marc we met a month or two ago with Jim right after you got your pic from the bridge! If I remember right, didn't something happen the night before or day prior to finding this bird on your front porch? I can't be sure of what you said, I too suffer from CRS!
grandchildren can explain those table scratches!?! In any case, it's always great to see your posts!
Table scratches...by Monster Hunter
When I was down Wednesday I looked the scratches over closely...whatever did this had claws, smaller claws like a cat, though they have a cat I'm not sure the cat did this...I could understand a cat scratching the table legs but not the table top...no idea what made the scratches but it didn't look Monster IMO...but than again...I haven't seen a Monster with a long neck until I saw the one in the picture Ms. Francis took...
LOL...that's exactly what it reminded me of...by Monster Hunter
I remember watching the show with some college buddies and thought seeing the cat dead from fright was funny...I have no idea what happened to the bird but I do know it wasn't there an hour before but it does remind me of a trail I use to walk to feed...On occasion I would find cardinal and blue jay feathers in the middle of the trail a distance from the food plot...at the time I thought some predator was killing and eating these birds in the same spot...
tell BF it's against the law to kill songbirds. Pity. I love Cardinals more than Blue Jays but hate to see either bird killed for no purpose.
They kind of remind me of something a bored little kid might do to get attention from somebody. Good thing MY kid wasn't destructive like that growing up!
u know i could see that happening with kids that are outside but my grandkids didnt go out side, they stayed in the house, i dont let them out now unless im out there with them its to dangerus , ive heard to much and seen to much to let them run free like they used to do,were not sure about what happened to the table !
I have found a program that takes the "blur" off the anomalies. I took the latest pic that you posted and enhanced it. I would either like to email it to you or get your permission to post the enhanced photo on the message board.
If you want me to post
Picture enhancement by Shewolfby Grumpy
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The dark area is outlined more and appears darker but It seems to have lost the facial outlines that are evident in my pictures. I also did not have any white areas in my picture.
It outlined at least one of the anomalies lying in the foilage so that it appears more evident.
Thank you She-Wolf. This is a very interesting enhancement.
Grumpy I also thank you for posting the pic. Circlewalker I found the enhancement quite interesting myself, you're welcome for the enhancement. I was playing with some of my pics with the program and took the liberty of doing your picture also just out of curiosity.
Did you take this picture after seeing or hearing something in that area or is this just a picture of the environment that you later reviewed and found an unexplained dark area within the picture?
My son had access to an area of land. I will not say why because it will give away the location. He was supposed to clear some of the trails of barbed wire and other debris. He had been down there a number of times. He emailed me one day to tell me he had found some strange things down there. He took pictures of trees in strange positions. Anyway I got the pictures and immediately contacted the moderators here on this site to ask someone about them. Basically, I was told that tree formations could be caused by anything but go out and have fun poking around.
I actually went to move my son back to our home state and while I was there I thought I would spend one day hiking the area with my two sons. I was not prepared for what happened that day and it still affects me.
The previous day we had loaded his Uhaul and loaded the last bit into the truck before we went to this area. The area is a nature preserve surrounded by another nature preserve. We got the location at about 9:00 that morning. It had been raining all night and into the first part of the morning and was just sprinkling on and off when we got to the location.
This is the location of the entry at that time.My son had marked the area with red markers to indicate the path. It was June 25th 2011. The time during that picture was approximately 9:00 am:
After we traveled down that path for about 25 yards I heard a vocalization about 50-75 yards from our position down the hill and to the left..."WHOOOOOOOOAHHHHHHHHHH". It sounded like a woman trying to imitate an owl. As we continued down the path we could hear grunts that we attributed to deer ahead of us but we couldn't see what was making the noise. At the end of that trail it exits into an agricultural field. We walked the perimeter of the field and found an entry way my son had marked previously. this is the entrance to what I call the first clearing. I snapped a picture using my cell phone and thought that this was just about the position the call had come from. This is what the clearing looks like now:
This is the picture I took back in June 2011:
Here is a blowup of the same picture:
I will tell you I took the picture and never saw the anomaly. We then went across an area That I call the second clearing and across the creek. The bank was pretty high. There was a grass area that was made of grass and reeds about as big around as my fingers. Those reeds were about 5 feet high and were hitting me in the face. The grass/reed area was about 50 yards across. We crossed the creek and we scrambled to the other side. There was a deer trail that led to the outside of the canopy in a straight line to the tree formations we were there to see.
As we got about 20 yards following the deer trail about 10 yards past the tree in the picture we hear another vocalization coming from the creek area "OHHHHHHHHHHAHHHHHHHHHH" as the sound began to trail off it was answered by another call to our left about 30-40 yards away in the tree line "OHHHHHHHHAHHHHHHHHHHH" The first call sounded like a female the second call did not. My son turned to his left and snapped a picture with his camera.We never saw the anomalies. The anomalies are on the left side of the picture.
This is the picture:
Immediately after taking the picture we heard rock clacking in the creek area behind us. We all three turned around to the creek and scanned the area but never saw a thing. After 2-3 minutes of scanning the creek we made our way up the deer trail to the tree formations. I was looking for footprints and and was parting the grass/foilage as I walked up to the formations. When we got to the formations The woods went crazy with 3-4 animals making sounds that sounded like a cross between a higher pitched cow and a human "Urrrrrrrr, Hurrrrrrr Hurrrrr". I looked at my cell phone and tried to find the audio recorder (which was on my old Phone) and couldn't find it. I just remember looking at my hands and they were shaking. I didn't want my two sons to see so I put it away and we just stood there for a few minutes as the sound went on. We took pictures of the tree formations as the sounds went on switching sides then switching back. When things didn't settle down I knew it was time to go. My youngest son asked me which way we should go and I told him we were marching right back the way we had come in. And we did. As soon as we headed back down the deer trail all noises stopped.
We crossed the creek and went back to the grassy area. I just knew there was something in that grass with us and it spooked the hell out of me. I don't carry guns and we all only carried hunting knives with us. There was a a large trail worn in the reed/grassy area all the way to the ground. I did not stop to take that picture. I also noted where something had made a trail through the reeds/grass that intersected the one that the three of us had made. That trail was about 3-4 times larger than the trail all three of us made through the grass.
We went back through the second clearing area. That is where the picture you are asking about was taken. We were walking close to the bank and my son who was in the trail position called me, gave me a "look" and I stopped. I asked him what was wrong and he said he heard growls coming from the woodline across the creek. We all three stopped and scanned the treeline across the creek and couldn't see anything. The point where the picture was taken was behind us. We proceeded up the trail toward the first clearing and directly on the trail was a broken branch that was not broken on the way in. The broken branch was right on top of the trail... not near it...on top of it. The leaves on the branch had not even begun to wilt. The branch was broken just before we got there. I walked past the broken branch then told my sons I should take a picture of it to document the branch. I turned around and moved closer then further away from the branch to try and get the whole thing in the picture. I was approximately 10-12 feet away from the branch. As I was lining up the shot is when I noticed the shadow. I literally looked around my cell phone and looked at it for a few seconds then lined back up the shot. I then saw what I thought were multiple tree stumps in the foilage. I took the picture and we walked out of there.
When we got back to our vehicle I got the same feeling that I had in the grass... That something was there with us. We left without taking more pictures. I had a chance to go back the next day but couldn't do it...The grassy area along with everything else had spooked me that much.
I emailed the moderator that day and told him what had happened but also stated that we never saw anything. I didn't look at the pictures until I got home.
I knew to look for shadow anomalies because I saw a picture by monster hunter with a german shepherd in a jeep. in the background is a shadow anomaly.
You done good Circlewalker...by Monster Hunter
I can see what you are referring to...Interesting story and area...darn shame it's not nearby where you and your boys can do some snooping around on a regular basis...I always enjoyed being in the woods with my boys...good quality time they and you will always remember...Thanks for sharing...
But here goes,by Grumpy
Circlewalker, I hope you own an GPS, that place is a jungle one could get lost in...... great job on detailing your work within the area.
Nice work Circlewalker ! That place looks like it would be great fun to spend some time in for sure.
for taking the time and effort and risk to put all of that out here on forum. I really appreciate you. Nice pics too! And great story.
Great story. I'm not sure of your background or area, but if it won't be giving away too much information, what state was this in? It looks like an area that stays wet a good bit of the time. Sounds like y'all had an awesome experience. If you are ever back it that area, you should revisit it, but this time take protection that doesn't require you to be within arms length of anything! Thanks for sharing.
Did you use and do you have a link to their site?
The program I am playing with is called Photoscape and the link is herehttp://www.photoscape.org
What Programby Grumpy
Surveyor, I've had and used Photoscape for years and probably the least used of those I use, there are much better digital photo editing programs out there. Each has some features both good and bad, just remember digital photography is easy to manipulate. As I said earlier in a post "I'm only going to use digital still photographs to document evidence from this point forward and am going to go back to using my HD camcorder to document all possible activity both day and night since movement is not a blog squatch", as many call unclear photo's today, IMHO if you have to enhance it so others can see it, it is probably an artifact or something within the frame that's pixalated from being enlarged, unless someone has both a before and after shot to show a difference in the suspect area.
For the feedback on the photo software, guys. I'm trying to learn all the ins & outs of this stuff, while I also write, research, and finish my anthropology & wildlife biology degrees. Some of y'all know that I've had to semi retire from land surveying due to my health, so I'm trying to keep busy learning & doing new things as I'm able.
Just put it(IPAD) on your outside wall and then when a BF shows up he can just sign in! lol
For orangutans, playing with iPad apps appears to be as popular among the apes as it is with humans.
Apps for Apes
Could be the one banging on the house and...by Monster Hunter
The one she hears walking outside her bedroom window...she has found large impressions...not tracks but impressions in the sand around her home...there must be something about this trailer they like since she took a picture of a Monster standing on the other side about a year ago...
Dogs raising hexx at night...both ladies hearing growling sounds...
I do know this is not a good picture of a Monster but I also know from watching days of video, visiting the area for over two years that this black object is not something I have seen before...BTW...I moved the video system over to Ms. Shirley's home some months back...looks like I need to buy another setup...
Comparison picture with different cameras....by Monster Hunter
and a little later in the day...there has been some clearing since I took this with my digital...Ms. Francis used a $5 dollar throw away and yes she does have one of my digitals but I guess the cheap film camera was handy at the time...
I've been running my sawmill all week milling lumber. LOL Yea I'm tired, sore all over but I think running the mill is fun, handling 2000 lb logs is not.
Well anyway this morning I was at the mill, which is set up on the far north in of the "yard" on the woodline, grading and restacking lumber. I was listening to a CD of Native American Flute music when I thought I heard a noise over the music. Now I don't hear as well as I used to, LOL gettin old I guess, so I walked over and turned the CD off. What I heard was the most awful rendition of native flute music one could possibly ever hear. It was a moaning sound in time and cadence to the music. LOL it went on for about a minute after I turned the music off. Was it one of the Monkeys? I don't know but it was funny in the same way that someone singing off key is funny.
When you mention " Bigfoot" you open yourself up to what others have heard people say about the subject.
If you get people who have listened to Franzoni and Beckjord and the "Parasquatch" camp, they look at you like you have lost your ever loving mind.
Then you get the "Biblical Cain" group, which I think misses the mark.
Then you have the "Harry and the Henderson's" group.
One of the newer ones that I have heard is the "Alien engineered Ape/ Alien/ Human hybrid type of creature.
The " camp" that I belong to is simply the "undiscovered species of ape" camp.
I will just be glad when one is brought in and we can know for certain what they are and the skeptics will know for sure that they do exist .
I agree Rick...by Monster Hunter
What I have seen looks ape in the face...
and they're apes, it doesn't make sense that we can't get photos or film. While apes are intelligent, they certainly can't avoid detection...especially now-a-days.
They are just smart as HE@ and have the ability to blend in with the shadows and various woods backgrounds.
Having seen 2 and having had rocks and sticks thrown in my direction and seeing the eye shine and smelled the stench and hearing wood knocks and bionic birds and all made me a believer many moons ago, of course those things only happen when you actually go to some of these areas and spend time in the woods.
It's that whole "seek and ye shall find" thing.
experiencing some rock throwing, and hearing whoops at no further away than 60 feet in a VERY desolate isolated area I am inclined to agree-something is definitely "out there."And I don't mean humans playing tricks...
There is no "if" in my mind T...by Monster Hunter
Twenty odd years back I would agree...now...I know for fact...
As far as getting pictures...not impossible but I'm in the same boat as you are...are they that smart?...something is not just right...I have pictures of humans walking by my game cameras that didn't know their picture was taken...
MH, I have a theory, well actually it's a bit more than a theory because it's something I tested. In a 2 year period I took over 3000 pics of BF and the areas that I watched them in. Not one definite clear pic did I manage to get. It didn't matter whether they were deep in the shadows, on the edge of the woodline, mostly in the open, 50 yards away or 20 feet.
My lack of success got me to wondering why this was, so I started experimenting and discovered that the Monkeys that I couldn't see with my naked eye I could see on the screen of the digital camera. These were Monkeys I knew were there. I also discovered that if I couldn't see them with my naked eye I couldn't see them through binoculars a rifle scope or a spotting scope but could see them on the screen of the digital camera. This proved consistent no matter what time of the day it was. I also got to noticing that quite a few of my Monkeys had green faces if they were standing next to a low branch with green leaves or in the fall of the year they had red/yellow/orange faces depending on the leaf color they were closest to. I thought this phenomenon was quite interesting. Now not for one second did I think they were "interdimentional" or able to change there color in any way. I began to think that it could possibly be the oil on their skin reflecting the color around them. That would make for great camo for them in a wooded area.
The oil on their skin reflecting colors was a semi reasonable explanation for the different colored faces but still didn't explain why I couldn't get a clear picture. All the pics look like they are slightly out of focus and the distance between the camera and the Monkeys makes no difference. These pics were taken using a tripod and the camera always had the "anti movement" setting on. So what if the Monkeys are really slightly out of focus. What I'm saying is, what if there is something about their skin and hair that causes a refraction of UV light? Kind of like a fish under water, that fish is not exactly where you think it is. If that were the case then no matter how many pics/videos were taken these animals would always be out of focus because of the UV light refraction.
Just a theory.
I forgot to mention that the color reflection of the skin just applies to the Flatheads (ape type) Monkeys. The Roundheads don't show this phenemenon.
I don't think so,by Grumpy
My photographic training taught me that lens characteristics don't work that way and don't care.... the aperture setting of any lens determines the point within the picture that will be in sharp focus and since there is always more far point in focus than near point is why one should, if possible, focus 1/3 of the way into a landscape/scenic photograph. Anything within this point will be in reasonably sharp focus, depending on lens quality, and doesn't care about color, shape or size, movement may cause an unclear image but only of the moving image, depending on shutter speed. With today's cameras there is no way anyone can take a sharp in focus photo of any object and NOT have that object be well defined within the photograph, but anyone can also see whatever they want within this photograph as we see almost daily on many forums and u-tube. If it is visible to the naked eye it will be recorded as seen, so using correct shutter speed and aperture setting is vital to allowing your camera to focus at the proper distance and record highlights and shadow detail... ie; changing away from most of the auto settings.
you nailed it! We've all taken photos of wildlife that were partially concealed and the animal is still clear and pronounced. Like Jim says, something isn't right concerning bf photographs and it's a stumbling block for sure regarding a bf photo being real or hoaxed.
Terry, I don't think most are trying to hoax any photo, although some do and it's apparent. Those who do take these photographs, IMHO have seen these creatures exactly where the shot if framed within but the creature is no longer either visible or even there by the time they take the shot... "But" they knew it was there and are calling shadows, artifacts from movement, light and contrast changes, shadows and pixatation changes from enlarging the frame. This is why another shot at least an hour later and preferably the next day at the same time is the only way to rule out mis-identification from all these variables. I've had the opportunity of spending many years in the photography field as a Military Photographer for 6 years and supervisor in a custom color lab for 4 years and a Tech Rep in the field for 5 years before going into law enforcement so I have a fairly good knowledge of what a lens can capture and how.
You are right, which is no great surprise to me. I think that taking a good picture in a high stress situation is probably one of the toughest things we can do as researchers. I know I have been hunting and seen a deer, but once I shoulder my rifle, it ain't there. I have also had the same experience with binoculars. I'm not sure why it is so hard. Then again, maybe I'm just an idiot!
As for pictures that "may" have something in them, well, as a researcher that wants to remain credible, I feel about pictures the way you do about tracks; if it ain't clear, it ain't there. There are just too many variables that can change to create the illusion of something being in a picture. For instance, my wife studied some pictures I took at a house that I went to the other day to perform a blessing on (with my pastor of course) to hopefully encourage evilness to leave a friend alone. When she studied the pictures, she said she saw a face in two of them. When I looked at them, she was using the power of anticipation to see what was not there. And to prove my point, we looked at every picture I took and were able to "make" something appear in each of them that obviously was not there. The mind is the most powerful and most impressionable tool we have. It WILL see and hear what you tell it to see and hear!
Remaining credible is hard enough. Presenting unclear evidence for the sake of presenting evidence can be the most detrimental thing a researcher can do. I think everyone should use your philosophy . . . If it ain't clear, it ain't there. All of this is obviously just my uneducated, unexperienced, unsubstantiated opinion.
OK Grumpy, help me out here if you don't mind. The Monkeys should be back any time now and I am going to try once again for CLEAR pics. The camera I have is a Kodak Easy Share ZD8612 IS. It will be set up on a tripod, the distance between the camera and the Monkeys will be between 30 and 50 yards. Lighting will be late evening to dusk. Would you mind giving me some camera settings and tips that might help me get a clear pic of these critters? Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Will you be clicking the shutter button and if not what could effect the point of focus down range. If you will be taking the pictures set your camera to spot focus, depress and hold the focus point on the creature, frame and finish pushing the shutter button, almost all camera(s) allow you to push the button half way to focus on a subject, within the small box, and then frame the subject within the total frame area and then push the button down completely to take the shot. Since many of the newer point and shoot digital cameras don't allow you to select either aperture or shutter priority and manually focus getting great shots with these Non SLR TTL focus cameras is difficult and especially at the ranges you want. I've also found that unless today's SLR camera's come with a Pro Lens the quality is nothing compared to a lens manufactured 25 years ago.
One thing that doesn't help much is the JPG image format, because it loses detail even on the highest quality setting
(A JPG image is a mosaic of 8X8 tiles that resembles the original picture when viewed normally. But if you zoom in, the gridlike nature of the mosaic dominates, and at that scale you're seeing more noise than reality. That's where JPG fudges it.)
JPG is ideal for blobsquatch pictures
A much better choice would be TIF or PNG. These formats do not use lose detail
Maybe best of all would be RAW which contains the most information, and is the most suitable for digital enhancement
Excellent post KWL and I fully agree. The only problem I can see is most people don't have the software to convert these files for emailing to all their friends and the file size is to large for most email providers. Not to mention the size their storage card would need to be when shooting all day using the RAW setting..... LOL The days of film were so much easier but took so much longer to see your finished product, and I still prefer even with digital to make prints and compare these using a magnifier to see suspected areas since you don't get all the distortion. I think for everything other than recording evidence I'm going to go back to using my high definition camcorder, movement of any object, is captured and walking is hard to call a pixalated blog squatch.
OK guys you will probably shoot this idea down but here goes:
My theory is that it is actually the dark hair/skin causing a light absorbing effect on the sunlight around it creating the blurriness. The creatures I have seen are jet black with very dark skin. Black is the only color that absorbs most if not all of the color in light. White absorbs the least. Here is a series of pictures I have shown before please bear with me while I show some anomalies.
Here is the first picture. The time is approximately 11:40 in the morning on June 25, 2011. The sky was overcast and it had been raining almost all morning. It had stopped raining but was still overcast. the distance was approximately 25-30 feet. The picture was taken with a 3mp cell phone.
I would like to note two things. First the sun was almost directly overhead on an overcast sky but look at the foilage directly behind the "anomaly" Somehow there is a shadow that has been cast upward and directly behind the anomaly. I would like to note that I have pictures of my two sons that were with me during this outing and they did not cast shadows like that on anything in those overcast-sun directly overhead conditions.
Here is a blow up of that very picture:
The second thing that I would like for you to notice is the shadow that has been cast behind it actually causes an effect to the outline of the anomaly making it more difficult to see.
Here is another point. Even at 25-30 feet the anomaly is not clear and it actually took me about 2 weeks to figure out the facial orientation. I took a picture of my son 2o minutes prior to this and he came out clear under the same conditions.
Here is the facial orientation of the picture as I understand it:
Last thing and then you can tear apart my theory. I believe there to be multiple monsters in the picture not just one. They are lying in the foilage between me and the standing anomaly. I saw and looked at, the ones lying in the foilage and the shadow anomaly. However I did not recognize any of those as creatures. The one standing looked like an out of place shadow and I actually looked at it for about 10 seconds or so before taking the picture. The ones on the ground I remember seeing as tree stumps.
My theory may not even be remotely correct but there is definitely some reason that a clear picture can't be taken. Even the one I took of the monkey looking through the weeds at me at 20 ft isn't clear. I don't claim to be a photographer but after taking over 3000 pics in 2 years one would think that I would have gotten a clear pic even if it was by accident. Pictures of other things I have taken at the same distances and same lighting conditions are crystal clear.
Circlewalker that shadow anomaly is interesting, I'm going to go back through my pics and see if I can see the same thing that I see in yours.
A master of disguise or a master of using...by Monster Hunter
Shadows and foliage...IMO it's using the shadows and foliage...Ms. Shirley and Ms. Francis are sitting on the back porch...they see something in the weeds...Ms. Shirley walks out and takes the below...clear enough facial features and here is why...maybe curious but IMO the Monster will not take her eyes off of the person approaching for fear of maybe being seen or harmed...curious because she wants to watch these ladies...this happens on a regular basis but with most pictures taken the Monsters are using the shadows and foliage for concealment...
One more...by Monster Hunter
Using the tree for partial concealment but yet still has one eye on the ladies...color of the beast is absorbed by the foliage and trees...Ms Shirley saw this Monster move behind the tree...
But I do have a game camera picture...by Monster Hunter
where several Monsters at a distance are walking away have a greenish color that is similar to the green pine tree background...I think distance plus digital had something to do with the picture and not a Monster turning green on me...if Monsters can change colors or have some type of chemical in their bodies to distort photos we are dealing with magical Monsters...me...I think they're masters of the using shadows and surrounding foliage...
I don't believe in monster magic,interdimensional translocating, monster ESP or anything else of that nature. What is happening is a natural phenomenon created from shadow, foilage, color/hair of the monsters and their ability to blend in. It is also possible as you suggested that maybe the digital cameras can't "Read" what is actually in the environment accurately in terms of color and shadow? perhaps the old 35 MM cameras would be more suited to capturing the anomalies.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who has pics of green colored Monsters !
Ok Ya'll, play nice for a bit.
We were talking about blurry blobsquatch pics and the reason they are blurry. I don't believe they are interdimensional or anything like that, I believe they are flesh and blood. But I also believe there is something about them that makes the pics not come out clear. I want ya'll to look at these three pics. I'm not going to claim anything on them, I just want you to look at them and draw your own conclusions. This pic was taken mid afternoon on February 7, 2005.
This first pic has not been enhanced in any way, it is an original. The red box surrounds the anomaly in question.
This second pic is an enhancement of the anomaly.
This third pic is also an enhancement of the anomaly which had been changed to a sepia color.
Had you thought possibly to attach a camera to the underside of a limb of a tree high enough up where they couldn't reach up and tear it down that may be over a pathway or trail they usually take? Just an idea.
I've tried that Nellie...by Monster Hunter
Bad thing about hiding in trees are the limbs moving in the wind but yes I have done that...the only way I can get any game camera pictures is by tracking attempting to figure out how they leave and the paths they come back on...easy to say...difficult to figure out...
His peers think he's a nut...by Monster Hunter
But I know for fact Meldrum is right...
And Goerge Washington was once considered a traitor and tyrant!!!
There are times when I'd like to put some of these academics who disbelieve right in the middle of "The Dead Zone" for a night or two. I think they would come out of there at least thinking that there might be something out there.
I can NOT recall his name but I do remember his smirking face on "Bigfootville" when he was speaking like a know it all 'expert.' He believed all Bigfoot/Sasquatch sightings were misidentification of bears, or a person's seeking a few minutes of fame by telling whoppers. He was teaching at the University of Chicago when the above show was filmed; perhaps MH or others know his name. I vote that we send him "into the Dead Zone" for some non-sexual monkey business. LOL That should wipe the smirk off his face.
I can think of a few that I've wanted to put there for a night or two over the years myself. A few years ago there was a man that I worked with who was an avid hunter and he was always after me to allow him to hunt my place. I told him "no" for a couple of years and then one night at work we got into a heated discussion about Bigfoot. He was adamant that there was no way that they could exist because he had never seen one and had spent his entire life in the woods. My answer to that was I also had spent my entire life in the woods and hadn't seen one until I reached the ripe old age of 40. The debate kept on until I just finally walked away. Then I had a thought and the thought was 'He wants to hunt my place really bad.....hmmmmm.' Now I've got a bit of a mischeivious streak in me so a couple nights later I told him that he could hunt one weekend on my place if he could spend one night in "The Dead Zone" by himself. He took me up on the offer but he wasn't able to spend that one night by himself. He came racing up out of the creek bottom at about 2:30 in the morning. LOL
I'm not sure exactly what happened to him down there, he wouldn't talk about it, but everytime I mentioned BF after that he all of a sudden had to be somewhere else.
I still smile wickedly when I think of that LOL.
is just awesomely perfect.
LOL yea Mike, it's sometimes nice when my Monkeys "misbehave".
those scientists who had never seen bacteria and were adamant that diseases were caused by an imbalance of body fluids or humors. That's why so many people died of blood-letting in the last two centuries. LOL
THEN, your eyes actually SEE one of the monkeys and the argument they don't exist looses all credibility.
I can't think of anywhere else that I would rather be.Sounds like a fun time to be had by all who get to visit your Dead Zone.
Seriously I would love to come for a visit.I would want to take my camera and my Chinese Bowie knife and sit it out all night long,it's got to be a fun place.
Oh yea I think I would want to have some bacon out there cause it smells sooo good and might be an attractant for them critters.
I've seen one of these critters in North Texas,8ft and BIGGG,Robust and it walked with a purpose very fast. Turned and looked at me kinda like he was sayin "what you gonna do bout it". Of course I was too busy scraping the ground with my chin to do anything about it. I wasn't scared just amazed.
Would be a great place for the GCBRO to have a camp at.
Though I do understand keeping this location private and respect your area of research.I just think it would be FUN.
I can remember when Jim used to take a few of those "experts" out on his place for the night. Some of them left in the middle of the night, and never came back. Some of them left sooner. I can remember when I used to go with Jim out there, and he left me by myself out there for awhile until after sundown. That was one heck of an interesting place. It literally came alive. I live right in the middle of the woods not 6 miles from Jims. But, I heard and saw things on his place I never heard or saw before.
national geographic doesnt get craizies to go on a show they produce , thats enough cred for me, not to mention numnerous conversations we've held where you really get a sense of just how indepth and science related his hypothesis are...if it werent for meldrum id probably be less inclined to pursue this myself, but knowing you got dudes like that out there gives hope for the eventual release and discover of these things...whatever the hell they are...ape,human, human-ape, ape-human, some bastard cousin of Adams God didnt bother to tell people about whatever..
Does put crazies on their shows. There was a time when they were above respectable. Those days sadly, are gone.
He's got a long row to hoe...as do we all. M.K.
This is a good one, if you have the youtube downloader, I highly recommend saving it and burning it to a disk.
And I think that he nails it down pretty well.
What a waste of time...by Monster Hunter
What Munns presented means absolutely nothing IMO...Munns needs to spend his time with a rifle to prove Patty "was" a real creature...another nobody attempting to be an "expert" using another persons work...I'm not impressed...
Not everybody is a hunter.
I think that he makes some good and valid points as does MK Davis.
I think that it is good that somebody who was a professional costume designer for over 30 years stood up and said " hey, no way".
I think that when we have people doing their part within their area of expertise, then we build a good case.
Everybody has their area in which they are gifted, not all are hunters, not all are geneticists, not all are photographers, but when you put them all together, they unfold the big picture.
To prove his ramblings...by Monster Hunter
he needs a corpse for comparison...the Patterson footage will not and has not proved anything definitive...IMO is a waste of time...it's been beat to death for over forty years...
BTW...Munns claims it's not a costume...another claimed he made the costume...Bob H. claimed he wore the costume as have several others that have been accused...yes I believe they are all full of sxxx but Patterson's reputation tarnishes the entire footage...
Although the Munns analysis stirs up more trouble than it calms, there is a comparison we can easily make on our own. I undertook some informal research of my own on the comparison of bigfoot characteristics and those of humans with gigantism. I have come to some conclusions as a result of my research but I won't offer them just yet. I urge readers here to do some of the same informal research I did and would like to compare notes with you when you are ready. It is my hope that you come to conclusions of your own without any influence from mine and that a healthy discussion can ensue. I look forward to hearing from those of you who are interested in pursuing this subject.
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I think Mumms came out with this something like 5 years ago. Not a breaking news flash by any means.
Whether it is old or new, and whether or not he has every been in the field, the conclusions he draws appear to be solid based on the evidence he used to draw those conclusions. The question remains, and will always remain, is the Patterson footage authentic. I personally believe it is. So, with that in mind, I find his conclusions valid and useful. As far as Patterson goes, I can't say what type of person he was or whether or not he was credible because I did not know the man. I simply know this; even if a person that I know to be a lier tells me its raining outside, and I hear thunder and smell rain, I'm going to assume that they are telling the truth, especially if I am sure that the evidence they used to form their opinion is based on something that I know to be real and is supported by my own personal experiences. Just because the messenger is not credible does not always discredit the message. I think it is important to remember that there are all types of people in the Bigfoot research world. Some do field research, some do lab research, some do audio/visual research, and some just do internet research. Whatever you chose as your style, as long as you do what you are good at and have the best intent of our field of research at heart, I say do what you do best. Academics may not value the evidence gathered by a field researcher, but that does not make the evidence invalid if it is founded in truth (as we know it) and collected using objective techniques. Likewise, field researchers may not appreciate the research that academics do, but again, as long as it has our research fields best interest in mind and is done objectively, it is still pertinant. This is my uneducated, unexperienced, unsubstantiaed opinion.
and depending on who you believe or disbelieve damages the authenticity of the film...personally I know it's a Monster...others think it's a man in a suit...I'll not attempt to convince since we beat this to death a few years back...for some reason people would rather believe what a known liar will tell them before they believe what they see with their own eyes...frustrating to not have the other participating persons to not come forward with the truth if there is any truth to be told...
I've been gone offline for the summer. Due in part to computer but also due to health issues that came into notice back in June. Just about every pasing week was spent at Doctors and/or getting tested. So much emotional stress for me to deal with that at times I can't hardly sleep or even relax such at how I am feeling tonight. Wanna relax but mind races and it's hard to relax. Anyway wanted to come on and say hello since the computer is up and running safely.
Welcome back KJ...by Monster Hunter
Hate the news about your health issues...we have a good group of folks so I know they will include you in their prayers...good to have you back with us...
I know for a fact what being sick without a known cause does to the human psychy. I was so sick three years ago in October that it ruined my favorite fall month. Thought I needed heart surgery but discovered,in my case, I needed a natural cactus drink to deal with inflammation. Awful time but glorious, too because many people prayed for me, checked up on me and laid healing hands on me.
Enough about me...how are you feeling now? Have the doctors found the cause and either helped it or cured it? Glad you're back online. NOT doing things you enjoyed doing before illness is a bummer.
There has been some improvement but still physically weak. Diagnoised with chronic loss of blood. The doctors have almost pin pointed the cause and I go in monday to get possibly one final test before the final result is given. THere is more and more talk of surgery. I just wanna know what's the cause and the best cure. Didn't have a summer due to this halth issue. Thanks for asking.
I feel your pain. My mother-in-law, who will be 81 in December, has had "mystery" nosebleeds all her life and has had to go to the emergency room more than once because of them. To this day, the doctors have no clue what causes her nose to bleed. And when her nose bleeds, she looses a lot. When she was caring for Gary's dad and stressed-out all the time over that, she had several severe ones. BUT the fact the doctors don't know why is worrisome. At least your doctors are close to pin-pointing your problem and with God's help will be able to fix it. We will ask for good results for you in our prayers.
Thank you. It's mentally stressful leaving the feeling of being physically and emotionally draining. More testing tomorrow to check for cancer cells which has me alittle nervious since relatives of mine have had bouts with cancer. Here's hoping for the best.
Quite a bit of information gathered from...by Monster Hunter
A small fossil...thanks for sending this article our way...interesting...
Genetic analysis of the fossil revealed it apparently belonged to a little girl with dark skin, brown hair and brown eyes, researchers said. All in all, the scientists discovered about 100,000 recent changes in our genome that occurred after the split from the Denisovans. A number of these changes influence genes linked with brain function and nervous system development, leading to speculation that we may think differently from the Denisovans. Other changes are linked with the skin, eyes and teeth.
but i am not in the scientific field on a professional level..so hell maybe you really can figure out that much by looking at dna..seems mind-boggling, i wonder how much is speculation and how much is like 100% "hey this is what it translates to genetically"
While early man might have been a bit underdeveloped mentally, at least he was always early for class. I'm waiting for them to dig up the bones of "tardy" man. M.K.
"Tardy Man"...by Monster Hunter
LOL...I guess they're still looking for him...
I wish they would find remains of "Correct Man" so science can prove to my ex-wife that we really do exist. Sorry ladies
....when a hurricane or bad strom comes thru.
With all this rainby Grumpy
I'm sure it's called, 'Treading Water'.......
Just like they always do. Sneak up to a window with tv on and catch the weather and then head out for awhile.
head for the hills.
Especially in parts of MS and LA where ther are no hilly spots, just bayous and lowlands/wetlands.
the animals on her land began leaving her East Texas area about two weeks before Hurricane Rita hit in 2005. It's my personal opinion they get into some sort of shelter just as we do or they migrate away from the trouble. Remember the elephant who "felt" the Earth rumbling and the tsunami coming in 2004? He and the other animals began leaving the coastline a good bit before the waves struck. One Elephant save a little girl's life because he headed, with her on his back, up into the mountains. Just a thought. Perhaps they sense a coming storm or watch the crazy human's react to them.
Tropical Storm/Hurricane is wrecking havoc in...by Monster Hunter
Louisiana and Mississippi...poor folks getting drown out of their homes, villages and cities...we are sending our prayers your way...
Ditto from North GA,by Grumpy
I'm trying to keep up with all my Southern Friends via FB, Texting or email, so be sure and keep us informed of your current conditions.
Hang on folks in the affected areas. This too shall pass! God bless anyone is affected by this storm.
Prayers going up, thoughts coming your way.
and unbelievable! I spent the past 2 days driving trailers to New Orleans for the Entergy workers to stay in-never seen so much flooding! I-55 south was ALMOST flooded yesterday south of McComb on the way down. On the return trip we couldn't access I-55 and had to drive ALMOST to Bay ST. Louis to find an access road to get us back to the Interstate! Finally got home at 1am, what a trip. I saw many homes and businesses flooded outside of New Orleans just before we got to Lake Ponchartrain, didn't see much flooding IN New Orleans but no one had power.
my brother who takes care of her sent her to the hospital Monday for another intestinal blockage...at least she was alert so when I told her that I loved her she was able to smile back at me. She was too old for any kind of surgery and there wasn't much we could do for her except to make her comfortable. They gave her some morphine and an anxiety drug to help her and it made her like comatose...at least she was relieved of any pain when she went.
Thoughts and Prayers,by Grumpy
Sorry to hear that Nellie, our Thoughts and Prayers are with you....
to hear that. Losing our parents are the worst... God bless!
to hear that Nellie, you and your family will be in our prayers. God comfort and bless you.
May God bless you and your family. You will be in my thoughts and prayers.
Sorry for the loss. You are in my prayers.
Nellie my heartfelt prayers are sent up in your behalf and the behalf of your family.
Thoughts and prayers.
I lost my Dad back in 2006,,,it hurts!
You are definitely in our prayers.
When it rains it pours...by Monster Hunter
My sincere condolences to you and your family Nellie...As we get older we all will experience losses of loved ones...stay strong and rely on Christ to give you the strength needed...
The same thing was done for Gary's dad last September. My grandmother was 83 when our family doctor diagnosed breast cancer. She was then recovering from two strokes, so he told my mother IF he operated, Granny could die on the table. Mom decided not to put Grandmother through it. That fall Grandmother died of natural causes and the day of her death became famous--Nov. 22, 1963 at 2:29 p.m. Her LVN/babysitter Erie Lange covered every mirror in our house and stopped the kitchen clock, so we'd know the exact moment she went to her true home.
Your mom is now no longer in pain and is safe with your family, too. You WILL see her again. In the meantime, remember: "those who mourn, shall be comforted." Be at peace, Nellie! There will be a short separation; death IS not permanent.
I am so grateful to have had her as my mother. I knew it was going to be difficult when the day came but I didn't realize how much so. I wish I could have spent more time with her before she left. I do hope she found family RR and I know I'll see her again.(now I'm crying again typing this). Thanks to all who sent prayers and blessings...they were truly appreciated. Love you all!
Midwest Monster Man...by Monster Hunter
Read the forum rules and try again...
That storm looks to be heading for your place. It didn't seem to want anything to do with us folks down here in south Florida... I hope you can use the rain.
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Let it rain...by Monster Hunter
After the past few years I welcome any and all we can get...folks down south are getting banged around...hopefully this storm will move out today and give them some much needed rest...
We've been getting banged around a bit. Not bad though. Surprisingly we haven't had much rain yet. Worse part is the sleep I lost last night. Wife woke me up right after I finally got to sleep to tell me the electricity was off. Got up, started the generator, took a while to get back to sleep, then she wakes me up to tell me the electricity was back on! It's going to be a long day.........
Let it rain,by Grumpy
LMAO Ken, sound like your having a good old time.... Stay safe this one is going to stick around for awhile!!
Yeah, loads of fun. Really slow moving storm. Getting a lot of rain now.
in Jackson yet but a lil wind...its coming tho I guess.
My monsters have been busy watching the house this summer. Here's some pics of trails and areas they sit and watch the house from the tall grass and weeds. I haven't bush hogged yet so they have some cover especially at night...
A area they sit and watch. They have the brush all flattened down..
I ran across this pic from last winter. I don't think I ever posted it..
Peeping tomsby Grumpy
They have the best show in the area, (your secrets are safe) you need to install those old style Drive-In speakers out there so they can hear the TV and talking easier!!!
Timber, have you ever tried putting things out around your house that you thought they might dislike ? I'm thinking Moth Balls, ammonia, cayenne pepper stuff like that?
Those things will only attract cajuns!
LOL, yea and a few Texans I know to !
trying to provoke a sighting it not a good thing to do on a busy highway at night.
when the drivers are 15 and 17 year old girls!!!
crewcab 4x4 dodge
just in case of an emergency
This is a picture I took on June 30th. The anomaly is dead center between the two trees.
a Squatch in those woods. LOL. That shadow has a lot of form for a shadow.
A B&W conversion by Shewolfby Grumpy
This photo is a B&W conversion of the original. IMO probably all of you will see many faces within this photo which shows how things appear where there is nothing really there except wood, branches, leaves and shadows, and IMO possibly a Contrast color change would have been a better choice than a B&W conversion since no (1) clear specific feature was present to draw attention to. I viewed the original at 1000 times magnification and saw nothing. Just my opinion after many, many years as a professional in the photographic field.
I don't see anything in this pic either in color or B&W that screams Monkey to me either. The shadow in question is too straight up and down and the top of it, which if it were a monkey would be a head, is the wrong shape.
I also don't see any signs of hair which will often show up in a black and white version and won't in a colored version.
Circlewalker don't get discouraged, keep trying. Somebody is going to get lucky one of these day and get a really good pic of one of these critters and it just might be you
As I have said before I have two clans here. Those tht look more human I call round head and those that are more apelike I call flat heads. I have an Alpha pair from both clans and it seems that their societies are Matriarchal in nature. Whe the young males reach late adolesence they are asked to leave the clans, The young females stay with the clans until they take a mate. After taking a mate they go off with him and stay gone a while only to return when they are heavy pregnant. They are brought back here by their mates. I have reason to believe that they mate for life. The young males that have been asked to leave the clans sometimes hang out on the fringes but if the tryn to reenter the clan they are chased off by Kong and Bignose.
Here on the farm it is the adolescent males that really get into things, they are quite mischeivious and have done things like make tree breaks in the yard, try to walk in the house wih Jason when I'm at work, scratch on the bedroom window,and when that didn't get a reponse they started tapping on the bedroom window. The young females don't exhibit this type of behavior and I have never has an adult male that has a mate exhibit this type of behavior,
I started keeping a calendar of the activity close to the house and discovered that an increase of activity always occurred when it was my time of the month. I have made the hypothesis that the phermones that a woman produces when she is on her period must be similar to the pheremones of a female monkey in heat. Knowing how bulls , stallions and billy goats react to a woman who is on her period I decided to try an experiment to see if I could curb the activity around the house when it was ny time of the month. Well I couldn't catch the monkeys to put Vic Salve in their noses so I started runnign a humidifier with Vick's in he Water. It worked, no more mnkeys hangin aound the house when it was my timne of the month, Timber this might be something yu want to give a try.
Something else I've noticed, they never mess wirh me when it's my time of the month but they will jack with Jason. Nothing aggressive just a definfite in your face " Here we are."
Just got back.from gulf shores for a week n weve been working on the house so much latrly i havent had alot of time to.keep up with what alls going on. Seems ive missed alot. That green.eyed monster is just wicked.
On our first date I asked Jason if he believed in BF. His answer was "I'm not sure." So I asked if he would like to see one he laughed and said "Sure". LOL our second date was spent BF hunting.
I took him to the trestle, we got there about 4 pm, it was early November of '05. The weather was cool, there was a 3/4 moon and partial cloud cover. We sat on the tailgate of my pickup talking til well after dark. The clouds finally cleared and the moon lit the area up almost like daylight.
We weren't being quiet, we were talking in normal voice tones when we here something walking towards us. A few seconds later Kong walked out from under the trestle about 20 yards away. When the moonlight hit him he glowed sliver giving us a good look at him. Kong turned his head to look at us as he covered the distance between the trestle and the woods in 3 strides.
Jason looked at me, then he looked back at where Kong had just been, then he looked at me again and said. " Did you see that!?" " I mean DID YOU SEE THAT !" "That #@$%^&* was HUGE!!!!!" I laughed and told him yea I saw him. His reaction to seeing Kong was priceless. LOL
Jason has a bit of a different "relationship" (if you want to call it that) with the Monkeys than I do. They "play" with him and he "plays" back. I've asked him not to do that but he thinks it's fun and funny. They tried "playing" with me at first but I would bite so they finally stopped.
When Jason is in the woods they'll follow him and it's like a game between them. The Monkeys will break sticks, so Jason breaks sticks, they whistle so Jason whistles, if they throw something at him, he throws the same thing back, anything that they do Jason will mimic. I've seen this go on for over an hour at times. I told him not to mimic their "mumbling" because he might accidently say something insulting so he agreed not to do that.
Jason was outside one night and heard a limb break close to the house. The next morning when I got home from work there was a fresh limb break about 8' up on a huge oak tree in the goat pen not 15 yards from the house. A few nights later, I came home from work early because I wasn't feeling well, to find Jason sitting in front of his computer with the 9mm in his lap and an extra loaded magazine. I asked him what the deal was and he told me that one of the monkeys had turned the knob on the front door. He said: " I heard the screen door open and saw the door knob turn so I jumped up and threw the dead bolt and grabbed the 9mm." "If it had turned again there was gonna be a bunch of 9mm holes in the door." I told him that if one of them truly wanted to come in and visit all they had to do was go to the back door which is never locked. I also told him the 9mm was not going to be an effective weapon against one of them so I loaded the 12 ga. pump with slugs and we put it by his computer desk. After it broke daylight we went outside to look for tracks and sure enough there was a set of 10 " tracks in front of the front door.
Not too long after the door incident Jason was awakened one night to something scratching on the bedroom window. He ignored it and in a little while he said that it quit scratching and started tapping. Jason said he hollered at it and said " Will you quit I'm trying to sleep!" Jason said the Monkey answered him with a grunt but the tapping did stop. The next morning I found another set of 10" tracks outside the bedroom window.
The Monkeys don't do this sort of thing when I'm home LOL. There were a few other incidents of the Monkeys messing with Jason while he was in the house, mostly tapping on the windows in whatever room he was in, usually in the bedroom or living room. I told him that if he would just ignore them they would eventually quit because they were playing with him trying to get a reaction. Jason took my advice and stopped yelling at them when they were tapping on the windows and as I predicted the behavior stopped.
I'm pretty sure that these antics were the work of a juvenile male or two as they seem to be the ones that like to instigate things.
OK Folks, I am fully aware that alot of you don't agree with or don't believe some of what I have posted. If you don't believe, well there is nothing I can do about that. If you do agree, AWESOME! Let's discuss it. I know that the Monkeys I have here don't behave "normally", I've read too many encounter reports not to know that. I know they are capable of behaving like normal "Monsters" because other researchers that have been here in the past have gotten growls,their campers shaken and things thrown at them among other things. What I want to know is why they are non aggressive towards Jason and I. I want fresh ideas, I don't care how off they may sound. I've come up with my own answers to this question but I'm not satisfied with them. So, MH, Timber, Grumpy, and the rest of you that encounter these animals regularly start giving me some of your thoughts on the matter.
Now, that being said, let me tell you a little about me. I'm 49 years old, I worked as a NURSE for 31 years, 21 years of that in a prison. I have been studying the BF on my farm for the last 10 years. That means in the woods, hands on, not sitting in front of a computer. I would think that qualifies me as a researcher. I'm not an expert where these animals are concerned and the truth be told no one is because they "don't exist." So Ladies and Gentlemen, let's try exchanging information and ideas to possibly help me understand why the have shown no aggression towards myself and Jason.
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when you are out investigating and looking for sign and them, are you armed?
if you arent, maybe is reason.....plus after 10 years, maybe they figure if you were gonna take a shot at them, you would have by now....
Sometimes I'm armed, sometimes not, when I first realized they were here I went armed all the time because other researchers suggested that I do so. I got to thinking that it was crazy for me to run around all over the farm when I had never done so before I knew they were here. So usually I'm only armed during deer season or when the Monkeys aren't here because when they aren't here the wild hogs move in.
Have you ever,by Grumpy
put food out for them or left a deer carcass or entrails in their area during deer season?
Grumpy, the whole farm is there area, there is nowhere on the farm that I haven't seen one at one point or another, that's including in the yard. So yes, I'd have to say that animal carcasses have been left in there area.
I'm going to give ya'll a bit of history because I feel like I have started ya'll at the end of a project and am having ya'll work on it with nothing to really go on.
The fall of 2002 I began noticing stick formations on some of the trails. My initial thought was that I had a really busy and creative bunch of woodrats. I knew that these weren't done by woodrats, they didn't look right and some of the sticks were from trees that weren't even growing in the areas I was finding them. I showed them to my Dad and (my now ex husband) Roy. They just blew it off but I found the stick formations too odd to let it go. So after thinking about it a few days I got on the computer and typed in "stick formations". Well Bigfoot came up repeatedly in the search. My thought on that was "NO WAY"! My thought wasn't because I didn't believe in BF, it was because I had been roaming around in the woods all of my life and had never seen or encountered one, or so I thought.
I began researching on the computer, learning about other signs and such to look for. I began looking for and finding other signs on the farm such as tree breaks and bedding areas. The one thing I couldn't find was tracks and that was driving me crazy. I covered every inch of this farm repeatedly looking for tracks to no avail. So after a couple of years of not finding what I was looking for I got aggravated, then disgusted, threw up my hands and said I quit, but I couldn't. I wanted tracks and I wanted real answers.
I had had a not so pleasant encounter with an animal on the river in 1991 and by this time I had already figured out that it was most likely a BF. I posted that encounter on the GCBRO report form and was contacted by the Moderator of the board at the time who put me in contact with a field researcher that lives in this area. He and I spent 7 hours going over the farm, he showed me how to find tracks, we found several different sets, all new because we had had torrential rains the night before. Through this field researcher I met 3 others. Those 4 researchers spent quite a bit of time here and they all had BF encounters of the "normal" kind. They got growled at, their campers shaken, objects thrown at them, "normal" BF stuff. Even Roy got growled at and he didn't believe they existed. I never did. What I got was lots of visual encounters where they just stood and watched me. It was almost like they were saying " OK you know we're here so we're not going to really hide from you anymore."
That is how all this began. I won't go into all the chaos and ugliness that my pictures and information caused then and is obviously capable of causing now. I was warned by one of the researchers that I was working with that I would be likened to Janice Coy and I was. Mary was also. I will say again the way Mary was treated was unfair, I won't throw me into that mix because I had been warned, I just didn't listen.
Male or female we all have our reasons for researching/studying/looking for these animals. We ALL have to be a little crazy for doing so. Seriously, who in their right mind would deliberately put themselves in an area where they know an animal ( predator) the size of BF exists?
I ask this from all of you, don't think of me as female, think of me as a fellow researcher who is seeking the same things that ya'll are seeking. That being the exchange of information and ideas. If you disagree with what I post, that's great, but tell me why you disagree and let's discuss it.
These animals around my place have always shown aggression. If I happen to be gone when they are here they gave my wife the blues. They hammered my daughter growing up so bad that now she won't even come to visit very much after dark. It helped putting a motion sensor facing her bedroom windows but didn't completely stop the harassment. They figured out how to move the sensor and point it in the other direction.. I've only fired one shot at them here at my place and that was because one of them was standing in front of my daughters car one night when she went out to leave. She started screaming and it started towards her. She picked up the volume screaming and when it heard me coming out the front door it hauled a$$. I got my gun and went after it into the timber behind the house. I never could see it but I could hear it leaving out along a old fence row so I took the only sound shot I ever took and trust me when that .300 win mag went off I got everyone's attention. I walked to the back of the place and never seen a thing so I made my way back to the house on the east side. My daughter went into shock and while we had her in the living room floor trying to calm her, the thing had followed me back to the house and looked in the full view storm door at us. That didn't help at all since now I have three freaked out women on my hands. That pi$$ed me off so I grabbed my weapon, said a few CHOICE words and headed out the front door. As I was walking out this thing looks in the bay window at the girls and growls deep and loud at them. That didn't help much either. I ended up calling my brother for help and it only took him 15-20 minutes to get here. We stayed outside for a long time until we felt it had left so my daughter went to spend the night with her grandmother. My step daughter went home as did my brother. Kathy and I didn't sleep much that night either. These animals came back and we could hear vocals, objects being thrown around and an occasional slap on the side of the house. What triggered this aggression is anyone's guess but it was that time of month for my daughter and this was that blonde male that grew up here. He's now full grown at close to eight feet and since that night he HATES me with a passion. He screams, growls and throws rocks at me every chance he gets now. Personally, I think it's just a matter of time until you see first hand the aggressive side of them. This happened to us about 7 years ago and remember I've lived here with these animals for over twenty years. The photo below is the greasy hand prints from one of the animals on my daughters car from that night... There was also a nose print but it wouldn't show up because of the camera flash..
Timber I still get a chuckleby Grumpy
every time I think about how they wait until your arms are full of wood as you step up onto the front porch.......
I'm just glad nobody has that on video...
Some if the stories youve told me are just crazy
Timber, I had heard bits and pieces of your story from Al and Russell, thanks for telling it to me, I had always wanted to hear your version and not just bits and pieces. I can understand your daughter and family being traumatized by being constantly harrassed by them.
I have been on the receiving end of an aggressive encounter, here's my story.
Every year in late Sept. I used to take my vacation to head to the river for a week of "wilderness survival". In other words I didn't take much more than my pocket knife, a bedroll, a coffe pot and fixins and I lived off the land for a week regardless of the weather.
In 1991, I saddled my stallion up and headed to the river for my week of R&R and living off the land. I rode until I found a small meadow where my horse could graze. The meadow was surrounded by thick timber to the east and then about a 10 year old cutover surrounded it in the other 3 directions.
I pitched camp, hobbled my horse and turned him out to graze, gathered some firewood then started scouting the area for edible plants and such. I gather up a few muscadine grapes, some wild onions and garlic and then headed to the river to catch some fish for supper. Luck was with me as I tickled up a blue cat that weighed a couple of pounds. I cleaned the fish on the river bank and headed back to camp to cook supper.
Supper finished, I went and got my stallion and took him to the river to get a drink. When he was done drinking his fill I lead him back to camp and tied him to one of the trees. I don't like leaving a horse hobbled at night in case something gets after them. After getting my stallion situated I headed to the river for a bath and the back to camp. It had been a long day so I pitched my bedroll and it wasn't log before I was sound asleep.
I was awakened in the wee hours of the morning by a god awful roar such as I had never heard before or since. The roar was answered by a scream of rage form my stallion. I could hear brush breaking between the roars of whatever animal was out there which were being answered by challenging screams from my stallion.
I jumped out of my bedroll and grabbed the lead rope my stallion was on, untied it from the tree, through it around his neck tying it to the other side of his halter. I knew I didn't have time to saddle him so I told him to "get down" so I could get on him. He didn't want to because he was still challenging whatever was coming after us but he finally minded me. I jumped on his back, stretched out acrossed his neck and we got the hell out of there.
Shaitain ran like a demon was after him for over two miles before he started slowing down. Even after slowing he still covered another couple of miles at a canter before he finally slowed to a walk. I was trusting him to know how far from camp was safe. After we stopped, we turned facing down the road that we had just came down and that was how we stayed until daylight.
After daylight I started riding slowly back towards my camp. When I got about 100 yards from it Shaitain would go no further. I could smell a stench that seemed like a combination of musk and rotted meat. I got off my horse and we walked towards camp, Shaitain snorting and blowing the whole time. When I got to my camp I couldn't believe my eyes. Everything was totally destroyed. My saddle was busted all to pieces, my saddle blanket was ripped to shreds as was my bedroll, I couldn't believe the carnage. The oddest thing to me was that my coffee pot, which was enamal covered steel was twisted in to. I knew in the back of my mind that somethng with an opposable thumb had to do that but my mind didn't want to accept that fact.
I had no clue what had gotten after us, bear came to mind or a big cat. Bigfoot was not on the list. When this incident occurred it was "that time of the month" for me to. I didn't figure out until years later that it was a BF that had gotten after me. Makes me glad I had a really fast horse.
Just one more reason I'm glad I'm not a female!!!
that I've been "fixed."
Ruby I wish I had been sigh
I never met Al, and only met Russell down at MC once but that was long before this happened. They must have heard it through a mutual friend. That's just one story among many. I seem to find myself remembering things that have happened to us when someone else tells a similar story. I guess over time you get used to it and maybe even try to forget some of it..
Yea I probably got the story 3rd or 4th hand originally.
If their attitude towards me ever changes and they become aggressive then my attitude towards them will change and I'll start hunting them.
How many animals do you have around your place? My next question is do you have males and females both.
The males seem to come and go. It's mostly females and young the majority of the time but the males show regularly. As to how many I have no idea but I do know there are several...I've seen quite a few over the years but the most easily identifiable have been the males... The blonde one with a nasty disposition seems to show up more than any of them but I have seen a large grey and a huge (10'+) black male a few times. I've seen different ones in the past I haven't seen since as well. A few years back there were some motley or dapple colored ones around but haven't seen them in a long time. There is one that stands out that I only saw once. It was as red as Lucille Ball's hair. It was on all fours and I think it was a young male since I didn't see breasts. It had a real funny gait that I've seen a time or two since then but different animals. The left side moved front and back at the same time and so did the right side. Struck me as odd because every quad animal I ever seen moved front and back in conjunction with the opposite side...It was a very smooth gait which shouldn't have been..
Sounds like the social structure of your animals is similiar to what I have here. It also sounds like your blond male is an Alpha or he wouldn't be allowed to hang around. Most likely, ( now this comes from my observations of these here.) he is unmated. It has been my observation that unmated adult males are the ones that show alot of aggression.
A few years back I had an adult unmated (rogue) male,which we called Damien, come into the area. He caused all kinds of havoc. He picked up a deer stand and threw it 3 feet, broke a 4" limb on a bull pine and wrapped it around the tree, growled and threw things at everyone that went into the woods and really went out of his way to make his presence known. He was over 8' tall and was a roundhead. Well I'm not sure what he did to piss my two Alpha males off but they almost killed him. One night about 3:00AM, Jason and I were outside and we heard major chaos down in the bottom. There were roars, screams, chimpanzee like screams, whoops and a chorus of other sounds I can't describe, This lasted for a couple of minutes and then dead silence. After that Damien's presence was no longer an issue and I didn't see him again until about 3 months later. Damien looked like he had been hit by a 18 wheeler. The left side of his face was mangled, his left arm was dangling uselessly by his side and he was dragging his right leg. He was in really bad shape. I was in my truck and he was crossing the road from my place into the Forestry. If I had had a rifle with me I would have put him out of his misery, seriously. My Alpha males obviously don't like drama in their area.
As far as the quad gaits go, I've never seen the smooth gait you describe but the number of times I've seen one go quad I can count on one hand with fingers left over.
I have a hypothesis based on my observations (mostly on TV of course) of the actions of other animals in the wild. The second largest animal in the woods, the grizzle, has a history of acting the same way. There are researchers who have spent their entire adult existence working in close proximity with these creatures without so much as a hair being harmed on their heads. And then there are examples of people who have worked with the creatures for years being killed for no apparent reason at all. I think this proves that no wild animal is completely predictable. I say that to ask you to re-consider going out into the woods without a firearm. You never know when things might change, and I would hate for you to end up like the grizzly man. I know he was killed by a rogue male new to the area he was in, but you also have rogue monsters on your place.
Next, I think animals have intuition. I know this is a human trait, but again, so is verbal communication (I got a million of 'em) For example; my wife is amazing with animals. Dogs love her, cats come to her, ferrets, cows, horses, heck even snakes are calm as can be around her. I theorize that she puts out good "vibes" that animals can sense and we can't. I think it is a combination of her posture, voice, smell, and possibly even state of mind that animals are simply attracted to, or at least not threatened by or afraid of. This is very likely the case with you. I think we both agree that animals can learn. I believe their actions concerning you are learned, and reasoned, and intuitive, based on what they have observed from you. Boy I'm really out there now! I think animals learn from their past experiences but act on reasoning and intuition when faced with new situations. For instance, lets say you drive into the field in a truck that they do not recognize. They are probably going to act on instinct and either avoid the truck or try to scare it off by throwing objects or making threatening noises. Now, you roll the window down and they recognize the occupant as you. Their actions will not be a result of a learned behavior because they have never seen you in this truck. Their reaction to the truck will be a reasoned behavior, based on the fact that the truck is not a threat because you are in it. Now, once you step out of the truck, their actions are based on learning because they have seen you several times before and know you are not a threat. If you have a camera around your neck, their intuition may cause them to stay just out of sight, which from what I've seen from your pictures, is what they do if you have a camera with you. I bet that most of your clear sightings have been at times when you don't have a camera. Am I right?
Instinct, learned behavior, intuition, and reasoning all play a part in why they treat you the way they do. By the way, treating different people differently is also a human trait At any rate, they seem to like you, and so do I!
Big D, I wouldn't go so far as to say these animals "like" me but that they accept my presence as non threatening and perhaps even entertaining to them.
As far as the grizzly man, I wouldn't do what he did, what got him killed was he began to forget that he was dealing with wild animals and obviously began to believe that they played by his rules not their own. Believe me, I would never walk in to the Clans expecting them to accept me. They choose the distance between us, not the other way around. There have been times when I felt they were too close and I backed off. The only thing predictable about a wild animal is that they are unpredictable. Even when you know and understand their normal behavior you never know when one might be having a bad day.
All animals and some people are intuitive. I'm very intuitive where animals are concerned, sometimes not so good with people. LOL I can tell you when one of these animals ( or any animals for that matter) are in the area long before I ever see one.
These animals know what cameras are and you're right, as long as I don't have one they'll come out in the open. If I do have one....well ya'll have seen the results of that. I've never quite understood that, as long as I carried a camera with me you would think they would have gotten used to seeing it and quit being so "camera shy" but they never did so I stopped taking a camera with me.
Where a firearm is concerned we're just going to have to agree to disagree. There is a reason I don't carry one when I'm watching them. There is never just one animal in the area. If an animal starts becoming agitated or showing signs of aggression I retreat. I may not leave the area but I will increase the distance between us until the animal calms down. If I were to shoot that animal I'd have both clans down on me. Sometimes disgression is the better part of valor.
and these monsters seem to sense that in you. Also after having worked in a prison it may have toughened you just a bit so that the monsters may sense that in you too. They seem to sense you do not mean them harm. Big D seemed to hit upon good thoughts in his last post too.And the way he talked about his wife is the way my husband talks about me with critters too...I've been a CNA for 28 years...22 of those years have been spent care giving for my husband who is a quadriplegic...he's told me that I have a big heart...and it sound like you have one too.
Oh well, that is just my thought for you. I hope you can figure out what I'm trying to say...it's late while I'm typing this so I hope it makes sense. I think you are truly an unique person...for all that you have experienced and are still experiencing and to share what you know. I hope the research that you have acquired over the years will help another in the same situation in the future.
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Nellie, be sure and remove your email addressby Moderator
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Sasquatchms...by Monster Hunter
Your getting to be a pain in my arse with your distasteful and at times belligerent posts...everyone has an opinion...it's okay not to agree but please read the forum rules...you're welcome to post as long as you learn to politely agree to disagree...no one hear has proclaimed to be an expert...some of us have quite a bit of experience but even with that said it doesn't make nor do we think we know it all...
Tone your posts down or go else where...
Free speech or...by Monster Hunter
disdainful disagreement?...read and understand the forum rules...I have nothing against you personally and we might even agree on certain items but our forum is not a place to express negative comments about another forum member...never has and never will be...this forum is about 12 to 15 years in running...there has been quite a bit of positive information shared...if you disagree...fine but agree only to disagree and not attempt to slander or belittle any member...
I have found that being closed-minded and argumentative is a sign of a weak mind, or at least a weak point of view. Having been on a debate team, and quite good at it I might add, I learned a long time ago to accept others opinions as eagerly as I want them to accept mine. If I fail to do so, I only prove that I don't have enough faith in my opinion to believe that it can stand up to the scrutiny of others. And also that it won't fall to someone else's point of view. I have noticed a bit of adversarial behavior from this individual. He/She sounds very intelligent and it would be a shame to loose them as a member of this forum, but we all learned in kindergarten to play nice, and if he/she continues to fail to do so, I applaud you for maintaining the high standards of tolerance and common courtesy that I have come to enjoy while visiting this forum.
My son, Cameron, is serving with a carrier air group aboard the USS Eisenhower, and is supposed to be on a Med cruise. Last time I talked with him I asked him where he was. He said he couldn't tell me. So today, I open Fox News and see this picture.
Now I know where he is. LOL
In case anyone is interested, with the USS Eisenhower over there now, that makes three, not two, carrier groups cruising the Persian Gulf.
I bet that little dictator in Iran is looking out his back window now and saying "Oh s**t".
You have a fine young man there Craig...by Monster Hunter
I know you are proud of your son...I'm proud for you...
Thanks, Jim. He is certainly getting to see a lot of the world. He was stationed in Japan for a couple of years, and did a couple of Pacific cruises. Now he is home ported out of NAS Oceana, Norfolk, VA and says he only has to do this one 9 month Med cruise, that somehow took him to Bahrain. LOL Typical Navy. lol
He is a jet engine mechanic and probably cleared that jet, in the photo, for service. The scary thing is that he has completed his qualifications and as the line shack PO, he gets to climb in the cockpit of a serviced jet and rev it up for diagnostics. I remember teaching him drivers ed. Oh Boy!
young folks making something of themselves and it all boils down to the parents! Way to go Craig!
that is more military might than 95% of the countries in the world.
and it's about time.
A couple more Shelia asked me to post for your viewingby Grumpy
The first pic is the original unclipped version of the Michael Jackson Monkey, the
second pic has a critter in it that is not a BF and I don't have a clue what it is.
To find the weird critter look past the white weeds and its sitting on a limb.
Second picture,by Grumpy
If what you are seeing is in the upper left I believe it is just highlights on a tree trunk, the lower part of the trunk is visible lower in the picture.
Is this it?...second picture...by Monster Hunter
First picture...Maybe this ?...by Monster Hunter
Yes, those are monkeys that is a female and her youngun but that's not the monkey I want you to see. Look to the left of those, the monkey in question will not be as far back in the cane and to give you another couple of hints look lower and the monkey has a white face.
Man I need practice. I can't see any of this.
If you alter the contrast and convert to B&W and follow downward you can see the continuation of a tree trunk, telling me it's probably just shadows, branches etc making it look like something it isn't. I've found if you can't see it clearly without alterations it is probably nothing. But I've been wrong many times in the past...
Hard to tell...by Monster Hunter
Shadows can play tricks when looking for a Monster in a picture...
Pictures will never get proof of existence.....Just peace of mind and a strugle to get others to see what your seeing. You can see what ever you want within the shadows.
One on the slab is proof positive.
Just my opinion
Jim, look to the right of where you put the square the critter in question is on that limb.
Green Eye enhancementby Grumpy
Here is an enhancement I did showing Green Eye's pupil, looks like an eye to me.......
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I had no doubt it was an eye, I've never seen a leaf look that pissed off LOL.
I can definitely see what looks like an eye...by Monster Hunter
WOW! After looking at these photos for abit. I finally caught it!
Especially the Female with young.
They sure have pointed ears.
the first one and studied it for about...well, until my eyes and neck started hurting. Very interesting. I saw 3 possibilities to the left of what MH saw plus maybe 2 bigger ones in the back middle towards the top of the pic. Unless I'm seeing things. Sometimes I can see something, other times I'm not so sure!
Am I seeing what you are seeing? It looks almost like children's faces that are white...to the left of what MH pointed out.
Yes and no. Stop staring at the pic, it's kinda like deer hunting, The animal in question is right at the edge of the cane and is squatted down, he is black in color with a white face.
MS Mike, if you'd like some help with finding the critters in the pics feel free to get my email addy from Grumpy and I'll give you a had with them.
I have raised many wild animals and birds to adulthood and have also rehabilitated injured animals and birds. I have raised Deer, hawks, owls, foxes, bobcats, wolves, numerous song birds, buzzards, bunches of raccoons, possums, mink and even a coyote. I have rehabilitated and rereleased Hawks, wolves, a bobcat, raccoons, owls, numerous birds and deer. When I was a kid my parents, mostly my dad, used to tell people that they could put me in a cage with a wild caught mountain lion and I'd have it tamed in 2 hours. LOL I'm glad they never tested that theory. My mother just told folks I was about 3/4 wild animal myself. Even my veterinarian, who I grew up with, says what I can do with a wild animal is uncanny. I'm the one he calls when he has a wild animal to rehab and all the rehabs are full. I'm not sure why or how I develope a rapport with the wild critters, but I've done it all of my life. I just accept the fact that I can.
I will be the first to tell you that there is nothing any more dangerous than a wild animal that has been raised by people. They lose their natural fear of humans. When raising wild critters most folks forget that first and foremost they are wild animals and raise them to be "pets". I never tried to make "pets" out of any of the wild animals I raised or rehabilitated. LOL I made my ex step daughter furious with me because I wouldn't allow her to make a pet out of a baby buck deer I was raising. I couldn't seem to get it through her head that 'yea he's tiny and cute right now but in year he'll have horns and go into rut and be dangerous' I think she finally got the message when the fawn was about 3 months old and he tried sparring with her. I saw it, both she and the fawn got a spanking and she had to get stitches where his hooves cut into her forearm. After that she left him alone.
Dealing with as many wild animals as I have in the last 40+ years of my life I can tell you that they instinctively know if you mean to help or harm. They also know if you are afraid of them. Fear of a wild animal will often illicit an aggressive response regardless of the size of the animal, especially predators.
Yes, this goes for Monkeys also.
Regardless of the species of wild animal I am dealing with I never forget that they are wild and can be dangerous. They live by their own set of rules, not people rules. To "humanize" a wild animal is a mistake that alot of people make. If it seems I am unafraid of the Monkeys here it's true I don't fear them. On the other hand I never forget that they are wild, very dangerous and play by their own set of rules, not mine. I have a VERY healthy respect for them.
Just plum weird down there...by Monster Hunter
I received a call yesterday from Shirley and Doug...Ms. Francis called them around midnight Tuesday telling them something was beating on the back of her home...Doug grabs his shotgun and heads through the pine thicket hoping to sneak up on whatever this thing is whacking on her house...as he nears the house he hears a low growling sound...Doug quietly squats down for about twenty minutes looking in the darkness and listening...after the twenty minutes he can hear something walking off that sounds like they're tipping the pine limbs as they move away from him...
When he gets to Ms. Francis home he thinks he sees a man like figure peak around the corner of an out building...that morning Ms. Francis goes to the back, her window where she hears the knocking sounds, finding a broad she thinks five toed track but the track is short...like cut in half...Monsters can't trick me...the rascal was quadruped at the time walking only on the front part of its foot...
Doug also mentioned hearing a pack of coyotes cutting up after getting to Ms. Francis home...he said it sounded like they were fighting or one of the coyotes was injured or being injured...
Something I haven't mentioned...one late afternoon Ms. Shirley was visiting Ms. Francis...on the video camera monitor they saw three white huge dog looking figures...Neither have seen them before or since...their places are weird at times if not all the time...
BTW...The ladies were going back to take pictures of the track(s)...
Jim, if you don't mind me asking how old are the Ladies? If you don't mind telling me but don't want me to post it on the board would you mind emailing me the answer? This is for research purposes.
They read the forum so I'll be careful...by Monster Hunter
They have grand children...I heard Ms. Francis say the other day she was 19...awfully young for a grand mother...but both are young at heart...just down home good folks...
When are you coming back down this way? Things have kind of slowed down with me since school has started,so my grandson is back in school,so I might get to visit with y'all when you come back down.He stayed quite a bit with me this summer.Give me a call when you are back down here.
shewolf you asked mr lansdale how old we are well im in my late 50.s still get around good , can see and hear very well, and in my right mind lol just to let u all know, ms francis is a young 79 and gets around better than jim lol very alert, so there u go!
Thank you Ma'am. I was just curious for research purposes.
That's why I suggested rudimentary fencing, or a gamecam, etc. to keep the monsters away so the ladies can sleep. As BFs avoid IR (as evidence seems to bear) then running a game cam beam along a side of the house should keep the critters away.
Or, set up trip wire flares to scare the bejeezus out of 'em!
-Mike in NC
2 more pictures from Sheliaby Grumpy
these you can copy and find your own monsters in......... I could have reduced the size but the pixels just where not there if you wanted to enlarge to view better, must have been an older camera. Just remember as you increase size you can find many things that are not really there.....
Yea it was definitely an older camera I think it was manufactured in 2004. I have a newer one that is only a couple of years old so if ya'll would like I'll see what I can do about getting some more pics when the Monkeys come back this fall. They aren't here right now because the creek is dry but will show back up when the creek starts running again.
Pictures from Sheliaby Grumpy
Additionally I would like to thank Shelia for sharing her experiences and photographs with all who frequent this message board, and have hopefully learned from some of her experiences, even though some of her views may differ from many who frequent here.
I guess my untrained eyes are missing something. Can someone tell me what we are looking for and where to look in these pictures. I would love for someone to teach me how to look at a picture to determine if anything is there.
In the first pic, look dead center of the brush pile between the two trees. The second pic look past the middle fence post a little to the right and up.
I'll give ya'll a hint that has helped me when looking for Monkeys in pictures, not just mine but those of other folks. Take the pic and make it black and white, raise the exposure up quite a bit, this eliminates shadows and "foilage faces" that could be mistaken as animals. Don't enlarge it to the point that it is over picsillated (sp), as Grumpy said this will make you see things that aren't really there and also will sometimes make you miss seeing an animal that is. I usually go smaller initially instead of larger. Also when looking for them in pics look at the height of the "shadow" in question, is it too tall or too large in relation to the foilage? Anything with a top height of over 10-11 ft is not going to be a BF. Look for eyes, head, face, shoulders, body and see if what you think you are looking at is in porportion to the rest of the surroundings.
I hope this helps.
Thanks a lot. I went back to the pictures and still can't see anything that jumps out at me. I'm technologically challenged, what I see is what I get. I don't know how to manipulate a photo in the ways that you described. Maybe one day when I am out with Grumpy, he can show me what I should do. Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge with me. It is much appreciated.
Monster pictures...by Monster Hunter
When standing in thickets at times are hard to make out...I think I see what she is talking about but it is difficult for me to make out any definition...but understand...Monsters will watch you from a thicket...where we want two eyes on a person they usually use just one...
Thanks Grumpy and you really don't have to take up for me, my skin is quite a bit thicker than that. My opinions are my own and I realize that they probably rub most of the board members the wrong way. I've walked both sides of the fence on "the kill or not to kill" issue, so I understand and respect the opinions of others where that issue is concerned. I'm not totally against killing one, I'm against killing one of the ones here.
The only Monkeys that I have had the opportunity to watch and study are these and I have often wondered if the reaction to me of a different group of Monkeys would be the same as the ones here. Hopefully someday I'll get the opportunity to find out. On the other hand I may not want to.
Jason and I were talking last night about the Clans and he and I both believe that what we have here is an anomaly. We came to that conclusion from reading reports of encounters and trolling the message boards of this forum and others. Most people speak of one type of BF or another, I've never read or heard of anyone say anything about having two species in one area. Most encounters that I have heard about are either very brief or could be interpreted as aggressive or semi aggressive. As I have told ya'll the creatures here are non aggressive towards Jason and I. I have only been on the receiving end of a truly aggressive encounter once in my life, that was in 1991 and it wasn't here on the farm. This was long before I was even aware of the BF existance here. In 1991 I didn't have a clue what got after me and even afterward BF never came to mind.
The information that I am giving ya'll is true and correct, I've got no reason to enhance it or lie about anything. When reading my posts and the information that I am putting on here, keep in mind that it comes from me studying and watching my clans. For those of you have encounters with these animals on a regular basis don't judge too harshly if my animals don't behave like yours. I don't even believe they do.
LOL, I wasn't sticking up for you but was just reminding others on the message board, since we have many new posters, that GCBRO is a Pro-Kill site but welcome all to post their views, opinions and experiences so that all can benefit and learn. Many may not know how these creatures features, size/shape and actions can vary greatly from State to State and many need to be more tolerant of others who have had encounters that differ from their own or what they have been told by others. We must all be aware that even though Bears, wolves,lions and apes have all befriended man they can also instinctively kill if they feel threatened.
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shelia how many creatures do u think is around your place?
Ms. Shirley I have identified 22 different animals that are either here all the time or most of the time. That's mama's, young ones and My two Alpha males. The numbers will change somewhat as the young males reach breeding age and leave the clan. I've got several now that are old enough to leave so when they come back from the river this fall my population will probably be quite a bit lower.
So remember Janice Coy and how everyone said she was crazy and Marys rep.was tarnished...with the sierra sounds allthe witnesses with creatures in their yards it doesn't seem so far fetched about her farm and the poop barn...
between them, though.
Yes , being likened to Janice Coy one too many times was the very reason I stopped having anything to do with the BF "Community" for 7 years. I stopped taking pictures also, because I decided that if nobody was going to believe me anyway why bother. So I just continued my research and kept my mouth shut all these years. The Janice Coy comments are also the reason I have gone out of my way not to "socialize" with the monkeys here. That's been really hard to do because I am really curious to see how much they understand as far as humans go. The way Mary was treated was uncalled for, Janice IS crazy, you can see it in her eyes, Mary is not.
Mary was NOT crazy....just gullible to the max...
Janice however, was nuckin futs
And you have added to my store of quips. I've never forgotten your 'dictater' costume for Halloween. Now you've given the world--nucken futs!!!! LOVE IT!!!
About the "poop barn"....Big difference in that and Monsters borrowing garlic and wearing overalls though....Lot's of folks have these things on or near the land they own or live on, but that in itself is sensational enough without embellishment...
As my friend Wendell says, his aunt called her's Honey Bears. They stole fruit from her orchard, raided her chicken coop and her smoke house more than once. She'd been seeing them since her youth.
New Picture from Sheliaby Grumpy
This is the picture Ruby asked to see
I see the green eye very clearly. Thanks for posting it, Grumpy
but.. why are they always blobsquatches.
Woodswatcher bear with me, I've got a pic just for you if I can find it LOL.
about that pic looks Canid to me but it is creepy without a doubt!
I have not seen an eye that evil-looking since I was sitting across from my ex-wife at our divorce mediation. I mean, if looks could kill . . . . !
I see the eye and nostril...by Monster Hunter
and a body without any shoulders...How big in your estimate Shelia?...and yes that's exactly how they look at a person...just one eye on you...was the foliage that thick concealing the shoulders?...
Jim I estimated this animal to be between 6 and 6.5 feet tall and yes the foliage was that thick, it was a mix of cane, briars and honeysuckle. This pic was taken not too long after I started trying to get pictures of them and no he really doesn't look to pleased does he.
As far as him looking Canid, when I first saw him in the pic I thought the same thing but it's the foliage that makes him look that way. I have a couple more pics of him where he has moved a bit and he doesn't look Canid at all. I'm still looking for those and if I ever find them I'll get Grumpy to post them. LOL at first I thought I was looking a 6' tall wolf when I saw him in the pic. Of course we all know there are no 6' tall wolves in East Texas
good point! I would love to see some more pics of this fellow, man that's disturbing.
2 more picturesby Grumpy
Shelia, 1 was just not large enough in file size and the other two I've included are marginal in file size for detail I don't know how your saving them prior to emailing but most posted on this site are 800 to over a meg and much larger in file size being at least 480x640 where as most of yours are barley larger than thumb nail size when emailed preventing me from enlarging them without loosing detail from pixalation.
Too bad they aren't bigger.....I like that first one!
Grumpy, I guess I'm just gonna have to dig out the originals and send those instead of sending clips. I only have about 5000 pics so that should take a while LOL.
The animal in the first pic I call "The Michael Jackson Monkey" can ya'll see why?
If you happened up on a baby BF that was orphaned, abandoned, lost or whatever, in other words mama and the rest of the clan weren't around?
I would assume that momma/family member(s) may return at ANY moment and, much like coming across a grizzly cub, would reverse course and exfil from the area immediately! =:-0
(Oh, I'd take a picture/video first IF I'm able to even think clearly enough)
If we humans can't see these things clearly on a good day, who's to say that they're not waiting in-the-wings and waiting for you to make one, stupid, mistake.
Life's too short to end up on "Unsolved Mysteries" XD
No ya'll are missing it, you know absolutely beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is not another Monkey for miles around. This baby BF is totally alone in the wilderness.
I would make every attempt to take the creature with me.
If I spotted a parent then leave it ,but if there wasn't any other creature around,take him home n raise him. Be a Daddy!
Feed it real quick if possible and get way away from where you got it by a vehicle. That is if yo want your life to change forever.
Have we possibly forgotten,by Grumpy
what happens when wild animals grow up and turn on those who raised them. IMO we must remember what we are dealing with...... when animals abandon young it's usually for a reason.
I'd shoot the little ba$tard.....
Specimen for proof and easy to carry out.
Really needs a "like" button somewhere...
Ok, I threw that question out there to see what response I'd get and the ones I got were pretty much as I expected. With that let me say this. NEVER and I do mean NEVER, assume that a young BF is totally alone, I don't care if you watch it for hours or days and see no sign of an adult. Now with that I have a story to tell and I'll be the first to admit that this was not the smartest thing I have ever done, in fact I feel quite lucky to still be here to tell it.
I was sitting in one of the deer stands looking over a small weed covered opening surrounded by woods. I'd not been in the stand long when I caught movement out of the corner of my eye to the right and when I turned to look I saw a young BF, that was probably between the ages of 18 mo. and two years. It was playing at the edge of the woodline about 40 yards away. Needless to say, deer hunting left my mind and I watched this youngster play and watched for it's mama or other adult for over 4 hours. No sign of mama or any other adult. The little one never went towards her either. So, next came probably the dumbest move I have ever made in my adult life. I get off the stand and start "stalking" the little one. To make a long story short ( it was a long quiet careful stalk.) when I get about 15' away from the toddler the mama stands up out of the weeds. I had no idea that the weeds could conceal an animal that size, even laying down. I froze in my tracks and the mama gave me a look that plainly said 'that's close enough'. I backed slowly away, all the way back to the deer stand never taking my eyes off of her. When I got to the base of the deer stand she walked over, picked up her youngun and walked off. It took about 30 minutes for me to quit shaking enough that I could make the walk back to the house. I really do consider myself fortunate to still be here and not scattered in pieces all over the back side of the farm.
You must really be connected with these creatures for that to have ended the way it did. I wonder if it was a test. If you were that close, I'm sure they were aware of your presence, either through hearing you as you walked in to the stand, or by smelling you. Maybe it was a test to see if you were who they thought you were, which obviously you were who they though you were or you would not BE anymore. By that I mean, I believe they do know your intentions, which is that of curiosity and not carnage. I wonder how many other creatures were hiding in the wings just waiting for you to prove them wrong???
Careful Big D, you are implying that BF can reason which is a human trait. Keep in mind that scientist say that animals cannot reason, that everything they do is either learned or instinctive behavior.
Now then, if this Mama BF had planned this ( she is one of the Alpha females btw )to see if I was "for real" that would mean that her thought processes would have to have been human because that type of behavior for that reason would neither be instinctive nor learned.
So, since animals cannot reason, and this mama BF "planned" this "test" for me, would that not make her human?
Sorry about that Big D, I gave you a really hard time over your comment but I just want to show you and others how easy it is to "humanize" an animal.
Don't worry about it. I love a good debate. And I certainly don't take offence to someone with countless years more experience than me questioning me about something I say. Hey, I'm used to it. I have a wife, an ex-wife, and two daughters
I think the ability to reason is a human trait, but so is bi-pedal locomotion. Just because a trait is human does not make it exclusively human. I happen to believe that animals can reason. I've seen it myself. For instance, if my dog cannot get into the gate on one side of my house because it is closed, he simply goes around to the other side of the house where the other gate is. If that gate is closed, he tries to come in the front door and go through the house. If that doesn't work, well, he digs his way in. Some will say that these are all learned behaviors, which is true, but I also think it takes reason to decide between different options. He tries the simplest option first and then progresses to the more difficult one. This seems like clear reasoning to me. Chimps and other primates use tools. The use of tools is another example of the ability to reason. You have to be able to pick the right tool for the job. Chimps don't use rocks to dig into tight spots and they don't use tiny sticks to break into nuts and such. Don't get me wrong, I do not believe that these creatures are human. I happen to believe that humans were created in the image of God, and I'm pretty sure He is not a monkey. Apes are apes. They always have been and always will be. The same goes for humans. Now, as for shared traits, I do believe we have some. You can't exist together on a planet for centuries and not pick up a few ideas from one another. For instance, humans have learned to swim faster by watching and imitating dolphins.
Maybe it was not a test. Maybe it was just a busy Bigfoot mom, in their equivalent of a grocery store, who temporarily lost track of her child, and was quick to come back to reality when a stranger approached. But hey, who knows. As for me, I think it was a test that you obviously passed
I really believe science is FOS when they say animals can't reason. I have seen too many of them use their reasoning ability, this goes for domestic as well as wild animals.
I have no doubt that the Mama BF knew I was there, I'm about 100 % certain that she knew I was in the deer stand. They don't miss much in their environment. I may be way off base here but my theory is, it wasn't a test, but a show of a level of acceptance to my presence. When she stood up I was between her and her youngun. Now had that been any other large predator, bear, big cat, etc., it would have attacked. I wouldn't have been given a warning. Under those circumstances she should have and didn't.
I don't know, I can merely speculate, but since then I let them choose how close they want to get.
We are made in God's image but I also believe He may have created BF, too. I have never bought that Mayan-world-will-be-destroyed on Dec. 21st premise, which was popular in the movie "2012" but I swear one scene in that movie, when the camera focused down on the animals in cages that were to be saved by the ark, one of those animals looked like my idea of a Yeti or a BF. Just a thought...
sound familiar to you? I had not posted Silver Fox's reponse to your question when I read it to him but his answer was, "You'd be crazy to go anywhere near that BF young one." I believe they were testing you and you passed the test when you backed away. Pretty smart critters.
and you woke her up...that's what it seemed to me.
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Nellie, she may have been LOL.
Saturday night I did some thermal scanning in an area that hosted several reports over the years and have been posted with the group! It rained like all get go all night and everything was laying pretty much, but a previous post got me thinking about these animals moving in stormy weather, so I headed out to have a look see!
Didn't find much at all but had a very unusual thermal hit that I cant explain!
I was slow rolling from my truck hitting an area of about twenty years before it came to a large bayou. I had small animal hits at various places, but I suddenly got a very hot, thermal image on the ground of something large and it was moving slowly. The thermal I have as Monster, Timber, Grumpy all know, displays the actual hit as being further away and smaller that it actually was! This was fairly long, a clear hot image, moving slowly along the ground. I backed up and got it back in focus and shinned the area with my lights and flashlight, which are very bright. NOTHING! I got out and walked the swampy area as best I could in the rain and lightning, still nothing! Nothing that would leave a heat signature or anything like that!
The image was long and low to the ground kinda like an alligator, but I would have seen the tail and legs and profile in the thermal. This was solid with no limbs, just slow moving along the ground while I watched it!
A Monster belly crawling. I've seen them do that via thermal when car lights hit them...
I don't think it was a gator because they are cold blooded. That does bring up an interesting question regarding rather a gator would leave a thermal trail or not!
I think that I will take my flir to the zoo and test that out.
If it is a thermal imager similar to the ones we have in the fire service, they don't focus on heat, but rather heat differences. For instance, an object that is 70 degrees will show up as hot in an atmosphere of 65 degrees. That is why objects show up so vividly, because most objects differ in temperature from their surroundings and other objects within their environment.
Am I incorrect in my assumption(s) or would a cold blooded creature like a large snake or gator Not leave a thermal image that the FLIR would pick up.... and especially at night in the rain since all absorbed heat would have dissipated long before you got there so it had to be a warm blooded something crawling or a good old boy who should not have been there......
I doubt that the thermal hit was a gator, look at the gator in thermal on this page.
He's cool man.
That's nothing like what I had imaged! I had it set on black white thermal image, so the hots were white and everything else was gray or black. This was bright white and slow moving, about like a crawl, but no limbs or head or anything stood out in the image! Strange!!!
I looked at the one of the gator, Rick, and just for kicks I pulled up the baboon and checked it out-much different!
I believe a snake would have shown up because it would have a different heat signature than its surroundings, much like trees and plants show up. I believe it possibly could have been a large snake based on the description I read. But then again, maybe I was just not clear on the description.
What else could it be?
The answer for everything unexplained?
I thought swamp gas was what you got from eating too much gumbo,,lol.
hog, bear, cougar, human... I know you probably want to think that it's a bf but chances are it's something much more explanable. You never know though.
My question is whether there are two prints here maybe a smaller print that stepped into the larger one? I know it is hard to see.
It looks like a Monster track...Maybe...by Monster Hunter
Has some weird looking toes though...
jim that track looks some what like the one i have dont u think?
Kind of sorta Shirley...by Monster Hunter
Over the years I've seen some weird looking tracks...some kind look rounded at the toes like the one above...a man I know down south of me claims the rounded toe looking tracks are from a Lugaru...(Werewolf type of Monster) I have no idea but from seeing with my eyes there are different digits/structure concerning toes and fingers...is this the same Monster?...could be but nothing hardly surprises me any more...
I'm still having a hard time digesting the EVP the lady got at your house...she asked..."can you tell us your name?"...plain as day it was answered in a man's voice..."yeah"...
The footprint was taken near a relative's location in Oklahoma about a mile from where my mother is buried. I was asked to examine this and look into the location but I do not know much about foot prints. That is why I asked for some help.
There seems to be something in the center of the print that may be another set of toe tracks?
I have personally experienced a howling that sounded like the recording on this site near this location except it was about twice as long one night. The next day I was out taking pictures near the creek area which is about 50 yards from the house and got a pretty good growl from the woodline. My wife was with me at the time and it gave her a pretty good scare. My brother in law has shot his rifle into the creek area to chase away "the coyotes" during the day...
I will be out there in the next few weeks and will tell if I find anything interesting
The front part of the track looks alot like a knuckle print with the fingers flexed down instead of in a complete fist. The back part of the track....hmmmm, kind of hard to tell but it could be a knee print.
I hadn't considered that.
And I thought trying to learn Spanish was hard, which by the way I haven't learned yet.
hello all well I'm thinking tonight it may be very active here at my house!it seems like the big boys like to come out in stormy weather, well its happened before lets put it that way, hope to get some more audio,
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Hopefully you'll get audio and video...by Monster Hunter
I certainly hope you do...
BTW...I talked to Ms. Shirley and Doug this morning...by Monster Hunter
Ms. Shirley driving Doug to work...they both saw a young Monster sitting on what Doug described as a well used trail in some open timber...not far from their home...I spoke with Ms. Francis Thursday...she keeps hearing loud foot steps outside her bedroom window so loud she got up and went to sleep on the couch...
If the walking by her window bothers her (and it sure-the-heck would bother me!), how about these ideas.....
Have someone pound some 2x4' posts into the ground, and then nail 2x4's to those posts to create a simple barrier....sayyyyy.....6'-8' away from that window. Make the posts about 5' high.
Also, till the soil around that area to loosen it up. Force the BF to leave prints if it decides to "get cute" and step over the privacy barrier.
Or, place some plywood sheets near the window. Pound nails in 'em so and lay the sheets down, with nails pointing upward (for DNA).
Better yet, place a game cam somewhere so that it covers the area near her window. THAT is almost a 100% guarantee that they won't come close to her bedroom window anymore!
Just a few random thoughts.....
Ideas...by Monster Hunter
Building a make shift fence is way to much trouble...
The soil has a sandy base with us taking pictures of tracks at her window...
Upright nails might cripple the beast Mike...don't want a poor Monsters foot to rot off...
We had a camera system there for a year without anything walking in view of the camera...
Since moving the camera system she hears, on occasions, knocking on the side of her home...
What they have been hearing this past week are their dogs going nuts...of course dogs will be dogs and bark at times to hear themselves bark but where they live they're not barking because they hear another dog...coyotes maybe but not dogs...
Sorry if I didn't explain my purpose for the ideas.
It wasn't necessarily about gaining evidence.
The basic fence - four posts connected by one piece of wood between the posts - was about challenging a BF to step over an obstacle (and maybe leaving a print on loose soil) if it really, REALLY, needed to walk past a window.
The nailed board was about keeping a BF away from the window - and if it was obstinate - collect DNA.
The game-cam idea was to set up an IR beam to keep BF away from the window.
In other words..... Different methods of keeping BF away from the windows so that the ladies can sleep at night.
One or two game cams with IR beams pointed in the right direction/angle should keep BF far enough away at night to give the ladies some peace and quiet.
THAT was the intent behind the suggestions, not really about getting pics/DNA.
I really just wanted to throw this observation out there.
Has anyone ever heard tree knocking really close ? I mean from just a few yards away? I have and up close like that it doesn't sound like wood hitting wood, it sounds like meat hitting wood like a hand is being used instead of a stick. Just thought I'd throw that out there for whatever it's worth.
Tree knocking sounds like wood on wood or...by Monster Hunter
maybe wood on metal in some cases...but...I haven't heard any wood knocking up as close as you described...I'm thinking..."just why in the hexx would a self respecting Monster want to possibly break a finger, hand, wrist or arm smacking a tree?"...personally I've haven't seen any Monster with a stick, limb or tree in its hands...for all I know...they're butting the trees with their heads...
What I have heard sounds like wood on wood and on occasion wood hitting some kind of metallic object...I do know something got two of my hickory sticks we used to wood knock with...either the Monsters got tired of us hitting on the cross ties used for fencing or someone got them for fire wood...
At MC during one of the BBQ's.
I would say it was probably 100 or so feet away, this was in October at about 5:30 am.
I have always been an early bird so I got up and fired up my cook stove to put on a pot of coffee and heard 2 knocks directly behind my tent about 100 feet out.
The3 year before that my tent was set up in about the same place at about the same time of year and I did the same thing but got 2 "Bionic Bird" whistles from 2 directions down toward the same area.
I would guess that if I drew a line it would be between where we used to camp and the old iron bridge, but closer to our campsite area.
That there is any "one set way" that is always followed by all monsters. I have heard what could only be wood on wood. I have heard some freiking rapid smacking that would have to be a two fist-ted something smacking the crap out of a tree (found the tree and is was beaten pretty badly) Heck - a silver-back smacking its cheats makes a big scarey sound,and there is no way to know the monsters don't do this as well.
There is just a lot we don't know for sure.
I dunno, maybe they used limbs normally and their hand in a pinch.
New evidene being released on Mondayby Grumpy
This should be interesting, I know you're all holding your breath.... LOL
Living in trees,by Grumpy
I do have a few friends who live and research in Florida and insist the creatures in their area live in trees close to populated housing and business areas.
several reports in Oklahoma have stated they have witnessed some sort of aboral activity in their sightings or experiences. we have seen limb movement in huge trees in dense brush but nothing to confirm the actual animal.
we have also found breaks in trees that were in excess of 25 feet with bark peeled off. all of this would coincide with primate type behavior.
this newsflash isn't something new.
Well now!!!by Monster Hunter
He uses the word "evidence"...evidence IMO is documented data by film and pictures and not I heard it from my Uncle Joe...cast tracks can be faked but of course video as well...it will be interesting to see what he has but from experience when some one tells me the evidence will be presented at a later date I think BS...BTW...if I remember correctly he is a partner of Biscardi...
Tree dwellers...I have no idea what he and others have seen but I haven't...maybe the trees here are to small...long toes for grasping...he may be talking about chimpanzees since I've never seen a long toed track...adult males being 6"6"...without studying different males over a period of time it's nothing more then BS...mothers nurturing their young...all animals do...groups or families...that's not news...
I'm thinking BS but I'll patiently await his "evidence"...
only seconds into the 11 minutes video, we'll knoe for sure? We'll see LMBO
My BS meter is going off the charts, but I will hear the guy out.
i dont know about bigfoot hanging around in trees as u know our pines and oaks are very tall , the bigfoot we have seen are way to big to climb i would think i think that is bs to
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Maybe the younger Monsters can and will climb a tree...by Monster Hunter
But...I doubt seriously a 3 to 400 pound Monster is climbing...could be wrong but over the past twenty years I haven't found any sign of tree climbers...
Yetis in the lab: The search for mythical beasts...by Monster Hunter
It would be nice to have the same sort of effort put forth in this country to find what some of you know exist and what I strongly suspect exists. But in saying that, I have mixed feelings: I fear that real proof may cause an unexpected backlash that would only have negative repercussions for our hairy friends. If we think about it completely objectively, the only people that it would benefit if existence is proven are the hundreds of individuals that have said all along that these creatures are real. And if you think about it in that light, it is pretty selfish of us to want to completely change the existence of a species that has existed just fine without our intervention for thousands of years just so we can say "I TOLD YOU SO" to the rest of the world.
If BFs were proven to exist, the following would occur:
1. Scientists would want to acquire specimens, so some BFs would be negatively affected.
2. BFs would become a protected species, the killing of which might be treated as murder.
3. Some people would decide to stay out of the woods (hurting the sale of most outdoor/recreational supplies)
4. Landowners might see the value of their undeveloped land plummet - esp. if locals start sharing BF stories (much like landowners out west who can't sell/develop it (think darter snail, that owl that)
5. Mining, lumber, oil companies, etc. would be affected.
As the potential financial damage could be quite substantial, I feel that "the powers that be" will continue to do whatever is necessary to prevent #1 (the discovery of BF) to ever occur - so #2-#5 never happen (except for parts of CA where BF is protected by law).
My .02 cents.
You could be right Mike. It may be too that if it's announced that bf exists that with a little education, i.e. "they've always been here and haven't hurt anything", that folks would get used to it. If they end up protecting more wilderness because of bf that's ok with me. If it scares some folks from going out there, that's ok with me too. More solitude for the rest of us. There is a certain element of the population that goes to the bush armed to the teeth cause they think something will get them. Probably thinking bf are out there will encourage more folks like that. Personally I'd really like to think such an animal exists and shares the wild places with us. I aint holding my breath though.
2. BFs would become a protected species, the killing of which might be treated as murder.
These creatures have done a pretty good job of protecting themselves so far. My fear, and I know it is the redneck in me, is that all of my "southernly enhanced" family and friends who presenty think I am an idiot for researching these creatures will take to the woods with their .30-06 rifles and end up hurting the creatures, themselves, or others in the woods; but mostly themselves because everything that moves is going to be a threat. As of now, they all believe that they are the badest thing in the woods. If these creatures are proven to exist, they will know that they are not and I will have to quit hunting, because anything that walks on two feet in the woods will all of a sudden be "a trophy". All of you rednecks out there know exactly what I am talking about!!! I am kidding a little bit because a majority of hunters are very responsible people, but you get my point.
#2 Murder???by Grumpy
that would only be the case if they were proven to be human through studies and if not are just an undiscovered species of animal placed on the protected species list, and then only that particular type and there are many out there of different shapes and sizes none of which may be related to each other.
It's a possibility. You have something that looks like it's a human ancestor (humanoid, at least) and law-makers are going to jump to conclusions or play CYA with public sentiment.
That is not too far-fetched.
You do see what kinds of laws are passed regarding lemonade stands and the sale of raw milk, right?
-Mike in NC
LOL, just giving you a hard time Mike,by Grumpy
my ex-cop dry, no tact sense of humor......
nearly everyone on this page wants to shoot one...so, unless they get to shoot one they will never really be satisfied w/ any scientific proof or outcome or whatnot
OK I was gonna leave this alone but just can't. As most of you can figure out if I can look through a camera lens at these creatures I can also look through a rifle scope at them and have on more than one occasion.
I have to say this....What right do we have to kill one of these creatures just to prove its existance? The human race tends to destroy everything it touches, especially things it doesn't understand. I have a saying " Just because you can doesn't mean you should." I enjoy having these animals here and I wouldn't want that to change. On the flip side of that I also like having my livestock and possessions staying alive and in one piece. I have a strong hunch that if I were to kill one of these animals here that would cease to be the case. I do believe they are smart enough to know who pulled the trigger or who was involved in killing one. I also have a very strong aversion to killing something I'm not going to eat (except coyotes) and I don't know about ya'll but I've never seen a recipe for BF steaks. A few years ago I was all for taking one off this place simply because I was able to do something that most people were unable to. I was able to watch them and get pictures, not great pics, but better pics. Then, when I stopped carrying a camera they became bolder about showing themselves. I've learned alot in 10 years, I know what their habits are, what they eat, how they communicate, a bit about their mating habits, their social structure and a host of other things. I have literally watched the toddlers of 10 years ago grow to adulthood and have offspring themselves.
In my humble opinion, these creatures are a part of this land and have the right to live here unmolested by humankind. I'm aware not everyone feels that way and I have probably stirred the pot in a big way. But that's my 2 cents worth.
My log-in name is Big D. I have been doing field research for about 9 months now with Grumpy as my mentor. He has taught me a world of stuff, more than I could have ever imagined I would learn. I have been interested in Bigfoot research for years, and finally got the opportunity to become active as a field researcher in January of this year. Since then, I have been on several field expeditions with Grumpy, and while not all of them have produced activity, a few have. I have seen wood formation that can only be the result of digital manipulation. Whether they were done by a human or some other creature I can't say as I did not see it happen. However, I will say if a human did it then they were dedicated because all have been well off of the beaten path deep into the woods. I have also heard sounds that I cannot explain. While they may have been similar to sounds of other creatures in nature, they did not sound exactly as they should have, so I consider them to be suspect. Especially when they are close enough for you to hear the wind leave the mouth before the whistle sound is produced. Needless to say, that was a spine tingling moment for me! Grumpy says it was funny, I choose to use the word concerning. At any rate, it has been a great time for me over the past few months.
I am an educated man. I hold a Masters Degree, so I tend to be skeptical of any evidence I see or hear. It is not that I want to disprove evidence, because I would love nothing more than for someone to prove the existence of these creatures. It is simply a matter of credibility. If I support evidence that is not held to the highest standard of scrutiny that I can hold it to, than I loose credibility. And in a field such as this where credibility is all an individual has to encourage other individuals to believe anything they say, credibility is everything. That being said, if I question someone in regards to a post, it is in no way meant to be disrespectful, it is simply my way of putting the evidence to my own personal test. I have a ton to learn about field research. I know this. I have learned a lot from the discussions on this forum, and hope to continue to do so. So if I ask a question that the answer should be obvious to most, please be patient with me. I will get it eventually, it just takes me a little bit of time to get my old mind wrapped around new stuff!
Thanks in advance for you patients,
Let me further say Big D has taught me a thing or two while in the woods and I depend on him more than he's aware of..... He may be new to field research but he's not new to woods lure, hunting, fishing and he knows every animal, tree and plant here in NW Georgia and has the ability to know which way back to our vehicles whether it's day or night even after a 5+ mile walk, even when my gps doesn't..... He's always alert to his surroundings, especially after dark.... LOL.
Welcome D...by Monster Hunter
Good to have you aboard...we look forward to hearing about you and the Grumps expeditions...Bob is a good man and you're fortunate he suffers with a few health problems or you more then likely wouldn't hit the woods with the man...keep an open mind and always remember...eliminate all possible causes/animals/birds/weather related before you think Monster...
Once again...welcome and hopefully we can share a camp fire...
I would consider it an honor , Sir.
here in mississippi we get together from time to time, hope to see you in the field with us sometimes, and good to have you here, just watch out for all those MONSTERS RUNNING AROUND...joking aside,..welcome, glad to have an educated skeptical guy around
Glad to be here. I would love to visit Mississippi and do a little research with your team. Maybe if you are in the West Central Georgia area, me and Grumpy can take you to a few of our favorite spots.
Enjoy your stay and come back often !
Thanks for the greeting. I plan to stay as long as I am welcomed. As for visiting the forum, I've been here in the shadows for months viewing the different conversations and I must say, I always looked forward to opening it daily and seeing what new and exciting things were going on in the Bigfoot world. I can't see that changing, especially since I am now a registered member.
Let me add my word of welcome to you! You will hear some informative and interesting things here, from some great people, who help all they can. Their campfire stories are also down-right interesting and have raised more than one hair on the back of my neck.
Howdy become dy? I'm amazed. Enquiring mind wishes to know...did I mistype? Must have. Sorry!
Thanks for the greeting. I know what you mean. Some of these stories have me on the edge of my seat.
If you can hang with that old geezer Grumpy on a walk, you have my full respect LOL
When we had our "Ole South" get together last yr at M. Lake area Grumpy took off and I was amazed at how fast he went. I thought he was hot on the trail of something until somebody told me that he always walks briskly( what an understatement!)
the more ground you cover the better chance you have of finding what your looking for, and IMO it is NOT; that small scrape in the leaves or dirt that 15 people will have a different opinion of what made it, as far as I'm concerned if it doesn't have defined toes and more than one to measure stride it's not a track worth looking at, I'm looking for evidence of bedding areas and markers that can NOT be made naturally by mother nature and your not going to find this stuff along marked trails unless they want you to, which IMO is no where near where your primary research area will be.
He is not kidding! In the words of Johnny Horton, we have been into places where a rabbit wounld't go. But it is a blast researching with the Grump man. Which by the way I don't think befits him at all. He has never been grumpy with me. He has been nothing but patient, professional, and understanding. I think "Spunky" fits him better than Grumpy. That settles it, from now on I will refer to him in my posts as "The Great and Powerful Spunky" instead of Grumpy. Hey, that is G.P.S. for short, which by the way he uses like it is an extension of his hand. I mean, the man is amazing!
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! Lets see who gets this reference.
that nickname warrants one of my pheromone chips secretly placed in your pack.........
There is nothing secret about those things. Once they are out, everything and everybody within a 20 foot radius is very aware of their presence. I love you Man!
(Sorry, I didn't mean to sound X-rated in my title) Why not call him the "Spunkman"? See? That's where I was going with my title.
Thanks. I look forward to many more hikes with him. Hey, I need the exercise.
then I'm in real trouble at 66. LOL
Mars...a couple of pictures...by Monster Hunter
Unfortunately no photos of Bigfoot just yet...surly some will pop up soon...
Who knows what is real anymore.
Mars or the desert in New Mexico?...by Monster Hunter
I'm thinking Mars...but it is a good question...can you trust our government?...
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Why are we seeing Chem trails, which take hours to dissipate, streaking our skies? I stopped trusting Big G. a long time ago but really (sad, to admit) woke up during the fall of 2008, after I retired from public school teaching and had time to research. No wonder Big G. wants to regulate the internet...the truth IS out there (as well as a bunch of nonsense).
Carry on! But carry a big stick!
Critters...by Monster Hunter
Helping other critters to escape...that's pretty darn neat Scott...critter behind bars and his buddies spring him...
Now that is neat...by Monster Hunter
Long lost brothers reunite and hug each other...
Forum members...by Monster Hunter
Please remove your email address before submitting your post...
I have been going back through the photos I took on June 30th to meticulously look for shadow anomalies. The first photo is the picture I took. The anomaly is on the right of the photo above the prong on the log just above the grassline. A possible cone shaped anomaly.
The second and third pictures are clipped and blown up.
I counted 4 possibilities....
I think I see what you are talking about...by Monster Hunter
But it looks like a shadow IMO...it is unfortunate Monsters will not come out and say cheese...keep on doing what you are doing...could have been a Monster back in amongst the trees...I just can't see it...
Thanks for sharing...
The picture I referred to a few posts back.
Most people see two bears.
Cloud-watchers see one Bigfoot.
What do you see?
bear and cub Rick.
Bear. It wasn't taken with a trail cam either, unless it was seriously modified.
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crouches like a bear and has fur like a bear then...maybe mama bear and smaller cub? I don't think it is a reclining sasquatch with a ponytail! Too bad there was only a single "trailcam" pic. hmmm. Ive seen much more compelling pictures here from our members for sure.
If I'm not mistaken...by Monster Hunter
The person who took the picture said it was a sow bear with cub...
Heading into the woods in a few, back tomorrow.. n/tby Grumpy
Have fun...by Monster Hunter
Watch for snakes and the blood thirsty critters...
Found this area along our 5.4 mi hike looking for bedding areasby Grumpy
Found a nice area, although is hasn't been used in awhile, all possible shelter area(s) where in need of repair with fresh vegetation, this area is Way off the beaten path where 2 small creeks merge and has Bambo, lots of vines and muscadine grapes plus a few turtle shells. Also for the first time in this area we heard no locator calls, which we always heard at both dusk and around 0030 hours every other time we have been there so the critters have possibly moved several miles in any direction following a food source.
Actually this area is a canyon between two ridges and narrows quickly as you proceed down stream making it almost impossible to continue along the creek, you must move up the ridge along either side where we found a few well used trail systems leading into the area.
Awesome finds Grumpy!
"Also for the first time in this area we heard no locator calls, which we always heard at both dusk and around 0030 hours every other time we have been there so the critters have possibly moved several miles in any direction following a food source"
Or...just being quiet watching you and the group...but I do believe you are right...
but what I didn't say was way before dusk we put single researchers North, East, South and West about 50-100 yds from the main group with amplified hearing to listen for the critters sneaking up on the group and to also listen for the locator whistles without the talking and laughing from the main group who were sitting around in chairs talking, laughing and acting as a group would just sitting around in Base Camp.
Details Grumpy...by Monster Hunter
You left out those details...as long as you had some fun it was worth the trip....
LOL, we can't give up all our secrets,by Grumpy
and I would have had more fun if the hike back to base wasn't uphill...... old age has caught up with me.
Now Grumpy. I was there and I though you did just fine. You walked my butt into the ground on a hot muggy Georgia afternoon.
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BigD, that's only because you didn't know me a few years ago before some health issues, back then those up hill jaunts were never a problem......
You are pretty swift now. There is no way I could have kept up with you back then.
I learned to never follow Grumpy D...by Monster Hunter
He goes for a walk I know I'm not going with him...any obstacles in the way...no problem for Grumpy...he goes through, under or over but never around...
I've learnedby Grumpy
Jim, that was before my health issues a few years ago, I haven't decided whether I'm smarter or just older but now take the easier path and a lot more breaks......
Age along with health issues are a factor...by Monster Hunter
Before both knees went bad I could pace myself...walk a while and rest a while...now...rest a while then rest some more...
LOL, this is why I bought my quad!!!! n/tby Grumpy
Something tells me both of you are pulling my leg. Well experience tells me Grumpy is, and after hearing how fondly he speaks of GCBRO and the research tactics used by the organization, common sense tells me monster hunter is! I"M NOT BUYING IT!
Big D,by Grumpy
Jim and the others can only go on past adventures of years past... I can truly say my energy level and ability on our hikes is not even half of what it was before my Radiation Therapy.
My knees hurt...by Monster Hunter
just thinking about a short stroll with you Grumpy...
I know what ya mean! Following Grumpy is like trying follow a damn billy goat thru the briars!!! Even if he's only at 50% now, we would probably still have trouble keeping up with him!
I remember last time Grumpy was here at MC...by Monster Hunter
A passel followed him off to scout around...of course I remained at camp since I knew better then to go off following him...had to drive down to the bottoms to pick a few up...
I think I could keep up now.....I have been running on my industrial stair stepper for the past year and a half, dally!
You're back in fighting shape Scott...by Monster Hunter
I was at one time...40 years back...
New Pictures from Sheliaby Grumpy
OK folks, these are originals, no clips. The first pic was the very first photo I ever took of one of these animals, yes it sucks, but I was using a pair of binoculars that take pictures and it was taken from about 50 yards away. When I enhanced it, it made it all look strange and I didn't realize then that I should have made a copy and enhanced it and kept the original as it was. But you live and learn. This is Kong, my Flathead alpha male, he is standing in the brush to the right of the photo.
Pic #2 : Ok look in the center of the pic and for those of you that can see him this is a Pic of " Bignose" my Roundhead alpha male. He is somewhat greyish brown in color and he is squatting down not standing up.
If someone has Photoshop or a similar program and can see one or both of these creatures feel free to mark them for the other folks that can't.
Pics 3 & 4 : This is a handprint that I found in the mud on the creek that I made a cast of. The book that it is laying on measures 9.5"X 12" to give you some idea of the size of the cast. The last two fingers really weren't fused just touching and the "ring finger" tip was resting on a stick so it didn't imprint in the mud. The top point on the thumb is actually a deer track where it had stepped on the track.
Found a hand print much like yours. Big SOB.
5 fingers though, and was knuckle down thumb out straight. Double the size of my paw, and I am a big boy.
This one has 5 fingers also the last two were touching so it made the cast look like that. I guess I really should clean that cast and take new pics of it. I also have pics of the handprint itself somewhere one one of my discs, if I get time in the near future I'll look for it.
bow out on commenting anymore on this. With all due respect, I hope this habituation claim doesn't make a good forum look silly down the road. Good luck.
that Sheila has made any "habitation" claims. She said--like MH, Timber and others--she has these animals on her land, has had close encounters while fishing and has taken photos and gathered evidence of their presence there. Don't think that was the reason why she shared stories and photos with the MB, Terry.
As she said, she's not Janice Coy and none of the animals has ever come asking for garlic!
Definition of Habituation:
reduction of psychological or behavioral response occurring when a specific stimulus occurs repeatedly.
Now that having been said, I've been aware of the presence of these animals for the last 10 years or so and most likely they have been aware of my presence long before that. Any "habituation" that may or may not have occurred has been unintentional on my part. I have said before and will reiterate that I do not interact with these animals, I don't talk to them, leave food out for them, or do anything else that would in any way attempt to change their behavioral response towards me. I figure that their behavioral response towards me is the same now as it was before I became aware of their presence. Can't say for sure because I have nothing to base that hypothesis on since I was totally unaware of their presence prior to 10 years ago.
After posting the above message and considering the definition of habituation, perhaps it is the Monkeys who have habituated me instead of the other way around
IMO...habituation...by Monster Hunter
is really not habituation caused by humans... but a safe area with food and water not far...I know this from being at the ladies places...no one is hunting...two women who are usually by themselves...at MC there was little hunting, few critters to hunt and so darn thick with brush there was plenty of places to hide without anyone bothering them...
BTW...have you lost any of your farm animals?...
Not any live farm animals. A dead calf completely disapeared once with no drag marks or tell tale signs of scavengers. Year before last we butchered about 200 chickens and a couple days later I saw one of the juvenile males covered in chicken feathers. I got a big laugh out of that. I lost a 3 month old mountain cur pup once from literally at my heals, just disapeared, the catahoula cur pup was still there but the other one was just...gone. Never found any sign of him, not even his collar.
Is it possible that he wandered off (while you were not looking in his direction) and simply got lost, or do you suspect more sinister forces at work???
I really have no idea, I had taken both pups to the bottom for some exercize, they were romping around and playing like pups do, I whistled them up for the walk back to the house, they were both behind me at my heels and then one of them just wasn't. I called and looked for that pup for over an hour that evening and then looked for him again for about half a day the next day. I never found any sign of him. A couple of fellow researchers were the ones that suggested foul play. This happened about a year before I was aware that I even had Monkeys here.
Wow! Who knows? Thanks for sharing.
That happened the following deer season after I lost the pup. It was late November or early December and I had hunted til dark. I had walked in to my deer stand which as the crow flies is about a quarter mile from the house as I had done hundreds of times before. I got off the stand at dark and started the walk back to the house, I had a very tiny flashlight, just enough to keep me from tripping over things, and my 30.06. Just about 30 yards from the stand I realized that something was following me, had no clue what, I just sensed it was big and it was dangerous. Honestly, I felt real fear for the first time in my life and that fear rapidly progressed to terror. I made it back to the house and when I walked in Roy ( my now ex husband) took one look at me said "Are you ok?" " You are white as a sheet." I told him " Something followed me home and I was scared to death." He said " What were you scared for you're the one with the 30.06." Anyway I told him whatever it was I didn't think it would have mattered it I'd had a .50 cal. That was the only time I have ever experienced that. Was it one of the Monsters? I have no clue, didn't then, don't now. I wasn't aware of them at the time. But I can say that none of them, since I have been aware of them, has made me feel that way.
It went back to the house with me, but you can't shoot what you can't see....
Awesome story. I think what you experienced was a God given 6th sense. I believe it was given to us to help protect us from those things in nature that have the ability to do us harm. I have been with Grumpy in the woods and felt as though I was being watched. I have also been with my children and heard footsteps that appeared to be surrounding us, and had the sudden urge to leave, but I have never experienced what you described. Again, thanks for sharing.
Can't tell you how many times my "inner senses" have shouted at me...don't go in there.
I did see Bignose, but before I actually saw him, I observed what looked like the face of Jesus in the folliage. For some reason, I thought that face was the BF. Looked straight up and then saw the real BF in the picture.
Thanks for posting her pix, Grumpy