(I don't agree that the subject doesn't belong here, I think it is all part of the same problem)

So there was Morgenthau... and there were James Bryce and Arnold Toynbee:

From http://www.gomidas.org/books/bryce.htm....

Uncensored Edition of British Blue Book Sheds Light on Armenian Genocide

James Bryce and Arnold Toynbee, The Treatment of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire, 1915–1916: Documents Presented to Viscount Grey of Fallodon by Viscount Bryce [Uncensored Edition], edited and with an introduction by Ara Sarafian

In 1916 the British Parliament published a "Blue Book" that identified the events of 1915–16 as a systematic effort to exterminate the Armenian people. The Blue Book has been one of the most solid and influential sources on the Armenian Genocide. A critical, uncensored edition, edited and with an introduction by Ara Sarafian, has now been published by the Gomidas Institute.

Viscount James Bryce and Arnold Toynbee were commissioned to prepare the Blue Book, which is formally known as The Treatment of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire, 1915–1916. Toynbee carefully compiled and verified dozens of eyewitness accounts from different parts of the Ottoman Empire. These accounts provided the basis for Bryce’s brilliant thesis on the Genocide, published while the crime was still in progress.

The book includes eyewitness accounts from United States consular and missionary sources, as well as the testimony of German, Italian, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, Greek, Kurdish, and Armenian witnesses.

The original publication was full of blanks: the names of many people and places were obscured in order to safeguard sources still in the Ottoman Empire. The names remain obscured in facsimile editions that have been published over the years. Now Sarafian has restored the obscured names.

In his introduction, Sarafian takes issue with the repeated assertions of Turkish nationalist authors, who claim that the Blue Book was a British propaganda fabrication. He demonstrates the intellectual pedigree of the work. He shows exactly how testimonies were collected, authenticated, and then used in the book.

Generations of official historians of Turkey, such as Enver Zia Karal (Ankara University), Salahi Sonyel (British historian and public activist), Ismail Binark (Director of Ottoman archives, Ankara), Sinasi Orel (director of a much publicized project on declassifying documents on Ottoman Armenians), Kamuran Gurun (former diplomat), Mim Kemal Oke, Justin McCarthy, and others have cited the Blue Book and have insisted that it lacks credibility.

Sarafian has located Toynbee’s original manuscript, Toynbee’s correspondence with his sources, and most of the original reports, which were copied and sent to London. They can still be found at the Public Record Office (Kew), Bodleian Library (Oxford), National Archives (Washington, D.C.), Library of Congress (Washington, D.C.), and the Houghton Library (Cambridge, Mass.) He has established that the compilers were meticulous in their verification of sources.

According to the Times Literary Supplement (London), "This work emerges from Ara Sarafian’s examination as documentation of a high order. . . . Sarafian convincingly rebuts the claims that there was any falsification, or that any of the documents was one-sided British propaganda."

Lord Avebury of the British House of Lords has welcomed the publication of this critical edition of the Blue Book. Excoriating the present-day British government for refusing to recognize the Armenian Genocide, "ostensibly for a lack of evidence," Lord Avebury notes that "the British Foreign Office itself published such evidence as early as 1916. . . . Ara Sarafian should be commended for making a critical edition of The Treatment of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire available to the public."

Toynbee, who went on to be a major historian in his own right, was deeply moved by his research on the Genocide. In his 1967 memoir, Acquaintances, Toynbee wrote: "My study [of the Armenian Genocide] . . . left an impression on my mind that was not effaced by the still more cold-blooded genocide, on a far larger scale, that was committed during the Second World War by the Nazi.

"Any great crime—private or public, personal or impersonal—raises a question that transcends national limits; the question goes to the heart of human nature itself. My study of the genocide that had been committed in Turkey in 1915 brought home to me the reality of Original Sin," Toynbee concluded.

The Treatment of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire 1915–1916 complements the Gomidas Institute’s Armenian Genocide Documentation Series, which to date includes four volumes of eyewitness accounts: Days of Tragedy in Armenia (Rev. Henry Riggs, Harpoot); "Turkish Atrocities" (twenty-one reports compiled by James Barton); Marsovan 1915 (the diary of Bertha Morley); and The German, the Turk and the Devil Made a Triple Alliance (the diary of Tacy Atkinson, Harpoot).

The Uncensored Edition of the Blue Book was published with the generous support of Dr. Rostom Stepanian and the Committee for the Recognition of the Armenian Genocide (London).

http://www.omroep.nl/human/tv/muur/artikel_chgo1.htm ....

Azg/Mirror On-Line 03-22-2000

Turkish Scholars Acknowledge the Genocide

By Daphne Abeel
Mirror-Spectator Staff

ANN ARBOR, Mich. - In 1998, Prof. Ronald Grigor Suny, professor of political science at the University of Chicago, traveled to Koc University in Istanbul to lecture on the Armenian Genocide. That trip and the ensuing contact with Turkish scholars was the genesis of a three-day workshop this past weekend(March 17-19), held at Wilder House, University of Michigan.
"What was so extraordinary and unexpected," said Suny, in an interview
following the workshop, "was that within just a few minutes into the first
panel, there was a discussion on the highest level, free of political bias.
This is what we had sought - the creation of a community of scholars who
could talk openly about these issues. The Turkish participants, except for
one, used the word 'genocide' repeatedly."
Titled "Armenians and the End of the Ottoman Empire," it brought Armenian
and Turkish scholars together for the first time to engage in an open discussion of how Armenians contributed, adjusted, and, ultimately, felt victim to the transformation from Ottoman Empire to the modern Turkish republic.
Said Suny, "My trip to Istanbul had excited me about the possibilities of
engaging with Turkish scholars." With the assistance of his academic
colleagues at the University of Michigan, Kevork B. Bardakjian, Fatma Muge
Gocek, Stephanie Platz, and Kenneth Church, a broad invitation was issued to scholars in the Armenian and Turkish communities to come together.
"We got a good response, even from Turkish scholars in Turkey, although
there were some from the Armenian community who did not feel ready for this type of discussion," said Suny.
The workshops attracted participants from Istanbul, Germany, New York City, California, Minnesota, Boston, and Princeton, N.J.
Suny, in his opening remarks, praised the participants' courage, saying,
"This is a small, humble and historic meeting. It is the first time scholars of different nationalities, including Armenia and Turkey, have gathered to present papers and discuss, in a scholarly fashion, the fate of the peoples of the Ottoman Empire as that state declined and disintegrated."
While the workshops touched on the fates of Jews, Circassians, Arabs and
Greeks, Suny said, "The principal focus was on the people and events that
have been elided- the massacre and deportations of Armenians by the Ottoman Empire, which constituted the first genocide of the 20th century."
Suny singled out several speakers for comment. Among them was Dr. Gerard J. Libaridian, an historian based in Boston, who served as senior advisor to the former president of Armenia, Lebon Ter-Petrossian. Libaridian participated on a panel titled "The Young Turks and the Armenians." and opened his remarks with the reading of a poem, "The Crossroads" by Eghishe Charents. Using the poem as a touchstone for his talk, he said, "It is important not only what happened, but what we make of what happened. Why do some people like the problem and not the solution? We share a common past that has been hijacked by the nationalists."
Suny also reported on the comments of several Turkish scholars. Salim
Deringil from Bosphorus University in Istanbul said, "This was the most
difficult paper I've written in my life. Venturing into the Armenian crisis is like wandering into a mine field." Suny praised Deringil for producing "wonderful documents relative to the situation of Armenians and Turks in the Ottoman Empire."
Engin Akarli of Brown University called for "a dialogue with the documents
and the need to move away from universally normalized concepts like the
nation-state."
Halil Berktay of Sabanci University in Istanbul presented a paper in which
he explored "the stereotypes of others presented in Turkish literature during the World War I period."
Borrowing a term from another Turkish scholar, Taner Akcam, Berktay spoke of "a collapse panic" in the Ottoman Empire and said, "Today, there are
illusions about Turkish Armenia. It looks as though Anatolia is normal
territory for the Turks. But in 1915, Anatolia was unknown by the Turks, a
backward place. The Turks had to reoccupy it after World War I."
Suny reserved special mention for Akcam, who is affiliated with Stiftung zu Forderung von Wissenschaft und Kultur in Hamburg. Akcam, a radical student leader who opposed the Turkish military regime and escaped from a prison in Ankara was "the first important Turkish scholar to study the Armenian Genocide and to use the word 'genocide'," said Suny. During his
presentation, Akcam used Turkish documents to pinpoint the actual decision to carry out the deportations early in March 1915, after the defeat of the Turkish army on the Caucasian front.
To his Turkish colleagues, Akcam said, "I am so happy to be here. I don't
feel so alone now."
Encouraged by the content and participation in this workshop, Suny said that plans for additional workshops and discussion were in the making.
"We should go on and invite others to join us. It is so important that we
not think of ourselves as Armenian or Turkish historians, but as scholars who are coming together for a mutual discussion."
The tentative title for the next workshop is "World War I and the Ottoman
Empire: Imperial Dissolution in a Transnational Conjuncture."
"Several universities have expressed interest. I have high hopes that this
dialogue will continue," said Suny.

Cmon boy let`s see the link???

Kamil>>"For example, I'm Tatar and lived in Turkey for a very short time."

Getting little protective of the Turks being only a Tatar.

... go hand in hand.

Yes, it's obvious that this is a forum for "women's rights in Turkey" to be discussed.

The mentioning of the Armenian Genocide here of course is not a coincedence. Turkish denial of the Armenian Genocide and it's human rights situation are part of the same problem. The genocide happened in the past, the denial however is happening today. The end of this denial, will also mean the end of the horrible human right situation.

It requires a mentality change to solve these problems, but it would take a long time to happen by itself (I'd very much like to believe it WOULD happen by itself).

To bring these matters to the attention of the world will help to speed up the process.

Hower, Turkey's postion in the world today, economically and strategically seems to be of great importance. It gives Turkey the power it has today, even though the country is practically bancrupt. From that I conclude that besides the Turkish, also the mentality of the rest of the world needs to be changed!

So, my final conclusion: this is not going to be easy.