(Login modeldad) HyperScale Forums from IP address 71.245.227.142
When they used contributions from Americans to buy uniforms for the U.S. team that are made in China.
In Massachusetts alone we have two large and fine clothing manufacturers that can compete with the likes of Ralph Lauren. There is Brooks brother / Southwick in Lawrence and Joseph Abboud in New Bedford.
Seriously folks, in the Olympics (not normal everyday life), the USA team walks in proud to be wearing Chinese made.
I know in so much of our lives we use and wear made in China. But this is not the usual.
There is no such thing as an unbuildable kit, just some kits one may consider not worth building.
Ive realized that most people ... tend not to be direct when they feel something is shoddy because they want to be liked, "which is actually a vain trait".
[Walter Isaacson's (author of Steve Jobs) recounting of his interview with Jony Ive, Chief Designer at Apple @ page p. 461]
Tom Booth (Login bookmark460) HyperScale Forums 66.81.160.70
But SOME things should be about more than just the lowest bid. ....
July 13 2012, 9:56 AM
Say the lowest 'made in the US' bid was a 100G higher than the lowest PRC bid. You then go to the Congress and say fork over the 100G or we go w/ the commie China low bid AND you can explain it all to your constituents, in this ELECTION/RE-ELECTION year!
Bad as it is, WalMart is one thing, the US Oly Team, quite another.
This message has been edited by bookmark460 from IP address 66.81.160.70 on Jul 13, 2012 9:58 AM
etc, for the Opening Ceremony duds could have been manuf in the USofA, and, they say (believe it or not??), for the same price. Me, I'd like to see hard #s on that but let's say it's true or even almost true.
I'd be a bit peeved even if they were made in Canada or Mexico,(good neighbors) or Japan, UK, Oz, NZ, S.Korea, Free China, etc, (friends/allies) BUT commie China!!?? Gee why not N.Korea, Iran or Russia then?
Clueless idiots.
You'd think somewhere along the line, up there in Ralph Lauren's Ivory Tower boardroom, someone, SOMEONE, who lives in the US, perhaps might even be a US citizen, maybe, perhaps, might have asked, ahhhh, duuuuuh, shouldn't the clothing for the US Oly Team Opening Ceremony walk in be made in the US, or at least some place other than commie China?? You think maybe having them made in the PRC MIGHT just po some people here in the States? Hmmmm?
Gawd, just clueless, out of touch, dopes. Like Prez Bush Sr who was so puzzled by a bar code on a box of corn flakes.
Hey and could they have made that Polo logo on the jacket ANY larger? Hows about a giant one on the back too? You know like a Rolling Stone's tour jacket. Geez.
Made in the PRC. Wonder if the clothing will give the team a rash, or worse? Make them sterile??
Lee Griffin (Login leegee_77) HyperScale Forums 199.72.20.10
For the record: Pres. GHW Bush scanner story was misreported/misrepresented...
July 13 2012, 10:12 AM
The scanner in question was one that could scan, weigh, and also interpret damaged bar codes through some kind of error-checking technology. This new technology was the topic of the conversation between Bush and the store manager, not basic bar code scanning technology.
This message has been edited by leegee_77 from IP address 199.72.20.10 on Jul 13, 2012 10:32 AM This message has been edited by leegee_77 from IP address 199.72.20.10 on Jul 13, 2012 10:13 AM
I actually agree with you in almost every respect but....
July 13 2012, 10:14 AM
one of the things that made me smile a little is your constant reference to "commie" China followed by a loud complaint about RL's "Logo" on the jacket; seems a bit damned if ya do and damned if ya do. Unfortunately the "new world order" ain't going to look much like the way we'd like to think it will. Tyranny is tyranny whether it's Communist, Fascist or "Corporatist" (that's what Mussolini said Fascism actually is by the way). cheers, LL
So a friend says: "cheer up things could be worse; so I cheered up and sure as hell Things Got Worse!
All senior management of RL are in the USA and Americans.
July 13 2012, 10:39 AM
Both Ralph and the President live in Westchester County NY.
There is no such thing as an unbuildable kit, just some kits one may consider not worth building.
Ive realized that most people ... tend not to be direct when they feel something is shoddy because they want to be liked, "which is actually a vain trait".
[Walter Isaacson's (author of Steve Jobs) recounting of his interview with Jony Ive, Chief Designer at Apple @ page p. 461]
Alot of stuff... I'm seeing more made or assembeled in the USA labels.
July 13 2012, 10:37 AM
As I noted, Brooks Bros / Southwick and Joseph Abboud are made in MA.
There are still dozens of clothing manufacturers in NY.
Stop and think about it.
There is no such thing as an unbuildable kit, just some kits one may consider not worth building.
Ive realized that most people ... tend not to be direct when they feel something is shoddy because they want to be liked, "which is actually a vain trait".
[Walter Isaacson's (author of Steve Jobs) recounting of his interview with Jony Ive, Chief Designer at Apple @ page p. 461]
I can't remember if it was '84 or '88, but somewhere around then there was a similar expression of public outrage when Kaepa (Italian company if I remember correctly) was selected to make the warm ups and track uniforms.
robert cooper (Login canbycoop) HyperScale Forums 72.11.115.162
try to buy a decent American flag...
July 13 2012, 12:48 PM
I wanted to replace my US flag a few years back...wanted one that was sewn together with sewn on stars... in the small town I live in, I had 3 choices... a sewn together one made in China, a screen printed one made in the USA and a vinyl one, also made in the USA. Guess which one won out.
Always start a big war, or our economy changes, or the end of the world is near...
July 13 2012, 2:10 PM
Or we learn to live with paying for things made in the USA, as opposed to the next cheapest production nation on the list.
There is no such thing as an unbuildable kit, just some kits one may consider not worth building.
Ive realized that most people ... tend not to be direct when they feel something is shoddy because they want to be liked, "which is actually a vain trait".
[Walter Isaacson's (author of Steve Jobs) recounting of his interview with Jony Ive, Chief Designer at Apple @ page p. 461]
The flag was a standard 3x5 or so. The US screen print and the sewn China flag were within a dollar in price. The US vinyl was about half. I'm not gonna fly a vinyl flag, so I went with the sewn China flag. It looked better than the screen print.
Tom (Login TomfromNYC) HyperScale Forums 99.101.122.123
US teams Uniform
July 13 2012, 5:19 PM
I got to agree with Steve. There really isn't a big cost saving going to China for custom work. Considering the time lost taking to ship it across the ocean. Approving the samples, sending them back and forth using airfreight for that part. I was involved in prototype work, the owner took the product from a established manufacture in MI and send the work to China. We lost the lead time waiting for the samples going back and forth. The little money that would have been saved was lost because we missed the market because they used our tooling and pop out the product and sold it before completing our order. I quit because I was suppose to make the call where the product was made, the owner lost big bucks on that deal.
I understand that the difference on a $30 shirt was only a buck if it was made in the USA. If I was a Wally World buyer, yea, a buck is a deal breaker, but for a US Olympic team, that's insulting.
This is a perhaps an allegory of the overall economic situation.
July 13 2012, 5:23 PM
The western world sadly gets its goods from service countries such as PRC. I found some of the responses amusing however:...'commies'...please be serious boys. The PRC is a state capitalist venture these days with the western world's (very delicate) economic cojones held in the palm of its hand. 'Commies'....Really what year are some of the respondents living in? 1955?
The US team wearing Chinese made suits is a microcosm of the economic world where the fighting vehicles in which US forces go to war in are made by a Chinese owned company: Hummer is owned by Sechuan Tengzhong these days.
Still, 'commie' suits pale into insignificance compared to the $1.2 trillion owed by the US government to the PRC.
I am now putting on an asbestos suit and a welders mask...
Cheers all,
Paul
P.S. Yes, I too would prefer to see the US team in suits made in the USA by Donna Karan, and the GB team in Savile Row suits with Jermyn street shirts. The Germans should wear Hugo Boss, the French Chanel and the Italians can choose from whomever they damn well like as they will be well dressed whichever designer dresses them.
US troops do not go to war in HUMMERs, the vehicle they use is the Humvee ...
July 13 2012, 6:42 PM
which is, and always has been, manufactured by AM General. AM General is
not owned by Sichuang Tengzong.
The HUMMER H1 was a civilianized Humvee first marketed in 1992, the HUMMER brand name was purchased by General Motors in 1998 and GM marketed the H1 alongside the
GM truck platform based H2 and H3.
GM tried to sell HUMMER off in 2009, Sichuang Tengzong supposedly put in an offer,
but the deal never went through. With no takers GM killed the brand in 2010.
Arnie is probably the only person to go to war in a HUMMER.
There is no such thing as an unbuildable kit, just some kits one may consider not worth building.
Ive realized that most people ... tend not to be direct when they feel something is shoddy because they want to be liked, "which is actually a vain trait".
[Walter Isaacson's (author of Steve Jobs) recounting of his interview with Jony Ive, Chief Designer at Apple @ page p. 461]
Steven - it doesn't take away from the main point that the US still owes...
July 14 2012, 4:01 AM
the PRC 1.2 trillion dollars. My point is that why is everyone getting so irate over what the US team wears when it is a microcosm of the overall economic situation? I conceded jcf was right over the Humvees - my mistake - you can't believe everything you read on the Internet clearly and I should have stuck to 'rule of best evidence'. . But the fact remains the USA is in debt to the PRC and those numbers come from the US Governments own figures.
As I said in my original post, I would prefer it that everyone wore attire that was designed and manufactured in their own country and in that I am sure we are in violent agreement.
There is a simple truth that unfortunately, we in the Western developed nations are often not prepared to pay the true cost of the goods and services we consume which is why the USA and EU often go to service countries for goods at far cheaper prices than can be economically made anywhere in the developed world. If that is an uncomfortable thought for me, you and everyone then maybe that is a good thing.
So you want this to be a politcal discussion? See the rules.
July 14 2012, 8:33 AM
Simply, no politics. The athletes representing the USA should be representing the USA in all aspects.
The main point is your point, not my point.
There is no such thing as an unbuildable kit, just some kits one may consider not worth building.
Ive realized that most people ... tend not to be direct when they feel something is shoddy because they want to be liked, "which is actually a vain trait".
[Walter Isaacson's (author of Steve Jobs) recounting of his interview with Jony Ive, Chief Designer at Apple @ page p. 461]
agree that the "rule" is clearly stated. One question though....
July 14 2012, 11:27 AM
what in heavens name has not become a "politicized" topic in our wonderful and brave new global situation? Virtually everything has a political connection now. I fear that it'll become much more simple in the next 30 - 40 years; eh....that ain't optimism rearing it's ugly head. cheers, Len
So a friend says: "cheer up things could be worse; so I cheered up and sure as hell Things Got Worse!
America, like the rest of the western world, buys from China. Your team will be a truer reflection of America today by wearing clothes made in China, like it or not. That's the hard truth.
So bend over and accept it? Seriously? No free will to act?
July 15 2012, 10:58 AM
Not about the truth at the moment, but doing what is right.
But if you wan to use an opinion of truth as a determinate of the future... Then the EU should just fold its tent and sink in the ocean. Seriously. And it will take down non-Euro countries with it.
There is no such thing as an unbuildable kit, just some kits one may consider not worth building.
Ive realized that most people ... tend not to be direct when they feel something is shoddy because they want to be liked, "which is actually a vain trait".
[Walter Isaacson's (author of Steve Jobs) recounting of his interview with Jony Ive, Chief Designer at Apple @ page p. 461]
doesn't make it right or desirable though. Harsh realities...
July 15 2012, 1:33 PM
are a tough task master and that's well known. That being the end all of what we accept and strive for is a really dark notion to me. If there's one thing that might....just might, spur some idealistic thinking it's the Olympic Games. I know what you're thinking about it being something of an illusion and, yes I even agree. Still for those ever so rare moments it's kind of nice to imagine a better world. cheers, Len
So a friend says: "cheer up things could be worse; so I cheered up and sure as hell Things Got Worse!
At least your Olympic informs seem to be representative of your national colours - the UK uniforms are basically blue and white with very little red, so it looks like the Scottish flag rather than the Union flag.
In any case wherever your uniforms were made, they'd better be waterproof, given the forecast for the next month or so.
It does make me laugh when I read posts on this forum that include references to Chicom or similar...since it's Amcaps (american capitalists) that got the world into the mess it is now!
Oh and as for Ralph Lauren, its my understanding (from having worked as a consultant to them) that he actually lives and works in Milan.
He may have a house there, as he does in many locations.
July 17 2012, 10:40 AM
Milan would be a reasonable base as Milan is the "fashion center". Better excuse for tax deductions. He makes much of his clothing in Italy. My last few Ralph Lauren jackets were made in Italy, as are slacks. It is a great place for fine fabric.
There is no such thing as an unbuildable kit, just some kits one may consider not worth building.
Ive realized that most people ... tend not to be direct when they feel something is shoddy because they want to be liked, "which is actually a vain trait".
[Walter Isaacson's (author of Steve Jobs) recounting of his interview with Jony Ive, Chief Designer at Apple @ page p. 461]
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