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I Don't Get It

January 5 2007 at 1:21 AM
  (Login jetta1967)
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OK....so I know that I am not the only person to think this, and I'm sure it's been asked/discussed here somewhere...but I will ask again because I'm still trying to understand it. Maybe my pride is too high and I need to get my head out of my a$$.

H made a "mistake" by having the A. Regardless of which way our M will go, H can learn from his mistake and move on to do better in his relationship(s). Havingthe A hurt a lot of people (not just me),and he's been dealing with it. Here's my question....what do I learn from it? To live my life not trusting people anymore? I do admit that I am responsible for half of the M problems before the A and so is he. But I did not cross the line because I knew that it would kill any chance to make our M better.
How come he didn't know that? Why do I feel that I am the one with the life sentence for a crime I didn't even commit? I'm not the one who hurt my S and the people around me like he did. What is my lesson to learn here? To be a doormat so that he doesn't do it again (not that he won't)? I just don't get it and maybe someone else does. Sorry for the vent. I asked H this question last night and he really didn't know what to say except how I should be now. Maybe I need to learn to be more "loving" (that's what he said). What he did was not a very loving thing. Who really needs to be more loving....me or him?

Sorry if I sound angry....but I am.

Jetta


    
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Jerry Bond
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Re: I Don't Get It

January 5 2007, 2:57 AM 

Dear Jetta, one thing I have recently come to understand is that you should not let yourself dissapear into the marriage.  By this I mean it is important to keep track of your feelings and not get lose yourself in trying to make the other person happy.  This may help you.  A result of this is that you remain aware of your actions and how you feel as you go along over time.  It does not mean you love less but you are more aware or mindful.  In fact, in my view it is more loving and your intimacy is then between two separate people who feel they want to make each other happy.  From what I can see you were more aware of your actions anyway ie you would not have had an A.  He has also to make this change. 

What I am saying may sound s if I am a bit un-feeling but it is not like that.  In my case when I now take a look at how things really are in our relationship I seem to be finding that I don't actually have the feeling that I should have to want to stay together.  This seems to be what is happening to me - As I begin to realise my own feelings in all this I begin to find that I have been chasing an illusion I held dear of my marriage .. when all along she was not who I thought she was and was not even behaving the way I thought she was.  I say "thought" as I let my mind run away with itself.  If only I had been more aware of my feelings, which are a better impression of my self.. then I might have known earlier and kept things on track better.

This may help you.

may you be safe and well, contented and happy



    
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Re: I Don't Get It

January 5 2007, 8:31 AM 

“H made a "mistake" by having the A.”

First off, “Mistake” has always seemed like so small a word for describing the choice my H made. A mistake is taking a left, instead of a right, or, saying, “Oh crap,” when you write an eight instead of a three in your checkbook. The other part of the word mistake that bothers me is that it implies a one-time event. There is no way an affair is a one-time event. An Affair is a series of mistakes that grow and grow until the point that the offender makes the decision to cross over the biggest line of all, intercourse. In addition, if that were not enough, they continually choose to keep this going. All this takes the decision to treat their spouse like crap, lie, deceive, alienate, and make them feel like they are insane, and this in done on a daily basis for months, and for years for some people. There is no doubt in my mind that mistake is not the right word, it minimizes a BS’s pain. You have every right to feel what you are feeling Jetta, do not put yourself down because of it.

“Why do I feel that I am the one with the life sentence for a crime I didn't even commit?”

Because when we marry, everything we do effects our partner. Our spouses selfishly wanted to believe that this simple fact was not so when they committed the crime of infidelity. You would suffer right along side your H if he were injured severely physically, because he is a part of your life and you care.

Right now, it is not so much love that you are incapable of, but fear of allowing yourself to become vulnerable. That is very normal, Jetta. We are adaptive creatures, we learn from experience, and your experience has taught you that loving your H causes you immeasurable pain. Therefore, you hold back. I wish I could help you see the person I was at your stage of healing. I was a mess. I wanted so bad to be one of those better than b4 couples, but inside I was terrified that I could not do it. I fought continuously, on a daily basis, to hold on to whatever love I could find that I still felt for my H. When it seemed there was no love at all to be found I made myself remember special times in our history. This is not easy in any way, shape, or form, but if it is what you want, you can bring the love back and learn to be vulnerable again.

“Having the A hurt a lot of people (not just me), and he's been dealing with it. Here's my question...what do I learn from it?”

I used to think that the affair hurt me much more than it hurt H. It wasn’t that he didn’t outwardly hurt or show me his pain, it was just that it seemed he lost nothing, compared to how I was feeling and that was that I had lost my whole world, past, present and future, I no longer even knew who the heck I was. I never imagined a person could hurt so physically from emotional pain. I was taken back by the depths of my unhappiness. There were days that I was incapable of doing anything but sitting in a corner and crying with hopelessness. On the other hand, my H was getting a second chance to right his terrible wrong. A wrong I might add, that hurt me, in my mind, way more than it hurt him. It took me a long time to allow myself to see the depths of his pain and that he too triggered and suffered on a daily basis. It took me even longer to not say at that realization, “Good, you should hurt, but it is by your own choice.” The fact that he made the choice, somehow made it OK for me to diminish his pain. As I said above, I fought for the ability to love my husband again, in time that love gave me compassion for my H’s suffering, and I no longer wanted him to hurt, even though he had earned his pain rightfully by his own deeds.

What have I learned from the trauma my H’s affair?

1. That intimacy is the most precious of commodities. That once it is stolen from you there is a hole so deep it seems impossible to fill. Amazingly, this hole can be filled again with determination and hard work.

2. That past the initial attraction, love is something you have to earn and actively work to maintain. It doesn’t just happen, like the fairy tales say.

3. That there is life, love, happiness, after severe trauma and emotional pain. That we as human beings, have a remarkable ability to recover when we set our minds to it.

4. That my marital history can not be erased because of the selfish acts of two insecure people. Even though it seems in the beginning like it all means nothing, miraculously it can come back. It is more precious to me now. I took it for granted. I know longer do.

5. That forgiveness is on ongoing gift I give myself, that has the side effect of being a gift to my spouse or anyone else that I choose to work to forgive.

6. The ability to heal my past hurts. Infidelity trauma opens the door to past hurts. The new pain of betrayal is so closely tied to how we reacted to the earlier traumas in our life, now we have the opportunity, if we dare, to face them and heal from them.

7. This kind of goes along with 6., but I wanted it to stand alone. I was able to learn how to go inside and grow as a person. Personal growth was a huge thing for me.

8. The ability to come to this board and help others who are newly hurt. This makes me have a good feeling, about such an awful experience.

You will get their Jetta, I know it seems like you are spinning your wheels at time. But look back to where you were at the beginning, some things are still the same, but others are measurably better.

Ami



    
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Thank you

January 5 2007, 11:48 AM 

for sharing that Ami. I have had some bad crasher days here lately, and it is always inspiring to hear from someone who has been there, and gotten to the other side.

Hope

 
 

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Re: I Don't Get It

January 5 2007, 3:38 PM 

I see it as you both can grow from this experience. The fact that you didn't make the choice he did means you start from a better place to grow.

Its like a hike where one person is at the bottom of the mountain and the other is half way up. H is at the bottm and you are half way to start.

Do you need to be loving? Yes, that is needed of all of us in our marriage and life. Does he need to be? Yes, especially so.

Trinity

 
 
Phoebe
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Re: I Don't Get It

January 5 2007, 3:46 PM 

Ami,

Thanks for sharing. It's inspirational. I hope one day I will get there, too.


~Phoebe

 
 
trumped
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Re: I Don't Get It

January 5 2007, 9:22 PM 


What have I learned from my wifes As?
I have learned not to trust,not only my wife but others as well.I seem to have become more wary of people and not take them at face value and even if I start to feel that I can give out a little trust there is always doubt.
I have learned to not take crap from anyone.
I have become become less tolerant of people and I have become very blunt and to the point,I will not beat around the bush as it were if there is something to say I will say it and i expect the same from others.

I have olso learned that it is not my wifes fault.

I olso have learned that is my fault that I should have done this,I should have done that.

I have olso learned that when I talk and argue that I dont take her feelings into consideration.That I have to see things from her perspective.(who the helldoes she think I am ,that I am one of her BFs,that she has to explain herself about why she is having As)

Yes I am olso angry.

 
 


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Re: I Don't Get It

January 5 2007, 10:41 PM 

((((Jetta))))

I do not want to sound cleche, but what doesnt kill us makes us stronger. That's what I have learned and gained from my experience. I had to become a stronger person in order to survive and move on with my life.  Yes, there is a time to grieve, but then it's time to take the bull by the horns and fight your way through it, and then there is the time to heal.  Allow yourself to fully experience all of the cycles you must need to go through...allow yourself that time.  Besides taking care of yourself, time is the greatest gift you can give yourself.  Be patient and understanding of your needs...it will get better in time.

I loved everything that Ami wrote.  Listen to what she has said.  Even if you dont understand all of it right now, or feel all of it right now, you will eventually.  Again, that is why I say you need to give yourself that time

Take Care...Carol~


 
 

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Re: I Don't Get It

January 6 2007, 4:32 PM 

This is a great thread. As I struggle to deal with the depths of pain, it is comforting to realize that some good things have come out of the horror.

I have learned that you can't depend on someone else for self-esteem, that it has to come from yourself (Duh!)and I am working hard to find self-respect and independence. I will be OK with or without my H.

I have learned that no one should put up with the kind of cruelty and emotional abuse that I did. During the time of my ignorance, when H was a complete jerk, I accepted behavior that I am ashamed of today. Never again.

In my particular circumstances, I have learned a lot about alcohol addiction and the destruction it can cause. Alcoholism is a disease that can affect anyone. My H was North American President of a well known international company. I join him for AA meetings on Saturday nights (our new date night) and the rooms are filled with creative and accomplished people with his story. If anyone is dealing with this issue in their lives, please know that it is possible to overcome alcholism and that AA is not the stereotype that I, at least, thought it was.

I have learned that I cannot control my H, which I have always tried to do but I have seen how ineffective that was. I can only control myself. I am trying to control my behavior and hope that new ways of thinking will follow.

I have learned that life is full of surprises, some heart wrenching and shocking, some wonderful. I never thought that I would be dealing with a bi-polar, lying, cheating, adulterous alcoholic. But I also never thought that I would have the marriage I have today. Life is suffering along with joy.

I was very naive about so many things. I believed in fantasies. At 55, I am finally growing up and it is not all bad.

And, I have learned so much for all the wonderful, caring people on this board.

 
 
marie
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Re: I Don't Get It

January 7 2007, 10:35 AM 

I have learned that I did take h and our marriage for granted in some ways. Both of us had fallen into letting the other know when something was bothering us but did not take the time to deeply appreciate all that the other did (as in, thank you H for going to a job you hate every day so I can realize my dream of staying home with our kids for a few years.)

I have learned not to be judgemental when people get divorced now that I see how close I came to it...and how it could have gone a different way if H did not do the work to change.

I have learned to let the small stuff go.

I have learned that H's self-esteem was lower than I ever imagined...He is working on that...but that he is easily crushed by careless words from me, much more than I ever realized.

I realized that I am not the perfect wife that I thought I was....that the things that bother him should be taken as seriously as I want him to take the things that bother me.

I learned that when pushed to the brink, I can be strong and take care of myself as I was ready to walk out the door when I finally was sure he was cheating. I was able to give him an ultimatum - that if he didn't come clean and stop I was going to walk. I knew that my vision for my life did not include sitting home crying while he was out with some woman, and I was willing to go out on my own if that was all he was going to offer me.

 
 
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