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baby steps

July 15 2007 at 4:32 PM
Ka  (Login Ka18)
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Looking back on your own experiences, can someone explain what process or steps you went through with you WS after d-day?

My H and I are one month in - we are both confused..he, especially, and won't yet commit to working on our marriage - or at least, admitting that he is going to give it a try.

We are living apart, we are going to MC, but we both feel lost at what steps we should be taking to decide a path. We spent the day together today and it ended up being another endless conversation, some tears and anger thrown in. I hate that it always seems to turn out this way everytime we get together. Is it because of the distance between us (him not living here?) He WILL NOT move back in.

I am going to try really hard to give us some space but i KNOW that he will be calling me. I don't want to make any hasty decisions but we seem to be moving in circles. Any suggestions on baby steps to make?

 
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Coral
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Re: baby steps

July 15 2007, 4:58 PM 

Oh, hard things. I am sorry you are at this place.

Does anyone have the link to the 180 list? I cant seem to find it and I recall when I was about at this same place in the situation, someone gave me that and I did implement it with some success. This could be helpful here. Just a thought....

Hugs to you,

Coral

"A discovery is said to be an accident meeting a prepared mind."

 
 
Ka
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Re: baby steps

July 15 2007, 5:29 PM 

I did actually ask for the 180 list before and got it...I think that plan worked for about a day but I think I am better prepared at this point to back off a little.

My H and I just have the same conversation over and over. "What do we do from here?" "I don't know." Do I suggest that we not talk for a week? Or is that type of space not healty either. Someone once said that this is the time to turn towards your spouse, not away...I feel like i have been trying to do that while my H has been trying to avoid. Sigh. So confused...

 
 
Anonymous
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Re: baby steps

July 15 2007, 6:04 PM 

Ka,

There is a decision your H has to make...does he want to work on your relationship and restore the marriage? ... until he reaches that decision you are in limbo. You alone can not save your relationship

Right now he maybe mourning the loss of the OW... and that is normal if there is no contact...he is also in lalaland because he MAY...not is... still blaming you for his A and not looking at his behavior that gave him permission to have the A in the first place.

Where it come to you now you need to take care of yourself.... put Ka first... he isn't willing to move back with you ... he doesn't call you ... he is doing MC, is he being honest and open with the MC? What is he afraid of if he moves back in with you... your sadness that he had an A...that you will hold it against him?

right now you need to protect yourself... consult with a lawyer ...don't start divorce action, but how do you protect YOU right now... for example if he goes and spends $ 10,000 on a TV... and leaves you are you liable for 1/2 of the cost?

A modified 180 is OK... they are your boundaries... what you need to heal and move forward.

((((hugs))))

Pat




"Time is precious, but truth is more precious than time."


    
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Ka
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Re: baby steps

July 15 2007, 6:56 PM 

My H is everywhere with his emotions - he takes full responsibility for the A and for the reasons that led up to it. He says that he had a lot of doubt and questions about our M before the A...he just never shared ANY of them with me.

I am at a very confused state because he sends me a lot of mixed signals which tell me that HE isn't quite sure. He tells me that he misses me, that HE let that connection go with me -- he is very emotional and cries, he looks at me and will make comments like "how did things get this out of control..." that he cares so deeply for me...

And then he'll make a comment about our marriage being "unfixable" and he can't decide if he even wants to try to see if we could make things work...

Huge SIGH. I want direct answers but I guess I'm a little hesitant to push because I know he is SO mixed up right now. I keep hoping that he will grab hold of what is good about us (and there is ALOT) and determine if we can make it work.

I'm confused about why he wouldnt' even want to give us that a chance. It makes me so sad...and angry...that I would be willing to give our marriage another chance after what he has done to me, and he won't!!!

 
 
Hope
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Welcome to Fantasy Island

July 16 2007, 1:38 AM 

I'll tell you what I'm telling myself. It's all I can give you. I hope it helps.

Your husband has been living a fantasy life.
Have you ever lived a fantasy life?
It is exhilirating.
And, it doesn't seem like a fantasy. It seems like at last you have found life as it is supposed to be.
Then BAM! Reality slaps him in the face. (He gets caught - has to decide if he's going to get on the plane or stay on fantasy island).
He knows and knew his fantasy was "wrong", but it felt so gosh darned right.
And it is confusing.
He didn't do it to you. He didn't hate you. He didn't take those actions with the intent of hurting you.
He was just taking care of himself.
It was almost an act of survival. To find himself. To find energy, to find where his hopes and dreams went. And, here it is, right here on the island!
And, it seems like right now he has a choice to make between a reality that doesn't deliver his every need on a silver platter and a fantasy where everything seems to come true with ease.
He is only human. To look at the fantasy, to have experienced it, and how to give it up?
It takes a man of great strength and character to first understand that the fantasy is like a drug, it will never really meet his needs, it is shallow. And then, to walk away from that mere possibility that maybe in his case it will somehow meet some deep unmet need that he can't even understand, explain, or put into words. (Ok...we're talking about a man who just took the weakest, most insecure, path for resolving his problems and now we're asking him to have "great strength and character"! He's not feeling that he's a man of great strength and character right now...so give him a break.)

It is so difficult when you know that you, the BS, are the victim and have to offer compassion to the one
who hurt you. To offer an open heart, understanding, and trust in his human struggle. When all you need is for him to validate you, your relationship, and your love. And, to offer compassion and forgiveness without anger and hate and the intent to hurt back the one who has hurt you so deeply.

Give him a break - he IS struggling. That is evident in the mixed messages.
Give yourself a break - you are in pain and when we are in pain it is difficult to be our best selves, the one our WS most needs us to be.

One minute you hate him, one minute you love him.
One minute he cares deeply, the next the marriage is "unfixable".

It's a dance. Let him feel both emotions as you feel both emotions.

Let time pass, let emotions cool, find routines and stability in your life. Rebuild your confidence. We often put in the hands of our spouse the responsibility to "make us feel pretty, sexy, strong, good" whatever it is that are our own insecurities. Well, guess what - that's our responsibility. We are the only ones that can control what we are and are not insecure about. So get to work on that - its hard work and it'll keep your mind occupied with something other than the affair. Take your power over you back into your hands. You entrusted it to him and he trounced on it. So just take it back. You won't even need to give it to him again because you are going to nourish it and grow it yourself for the rest of your life! I think we women do this to prove our men out, but they haven't a clue that we are doing it and they often disappoint us - some more tragically than others. (Male BS, just substitute BS for women if you feel its appropriate to you great!)

At the end of each day, think about how many minutes or hours you spent completely engrossed in something else -work, taking care of kids, a book, a movie, whatever. I remember thinking within the first few days that some small thing happened - my dog did something silly and I relished that minute where I smiled and was taken completely away from the issue. It was only a minute but that was when I first realized that if there could be one minute affair free then there could be 2! And, now 3 months later there are hours and sometimes almost whole days.

It might even make him feel worse to know that you are willing to stay and fight for the marriage even when he's done this horrible thing that has hurt you so badly. It may add to his confusion. He's wondering if he's a bad person at heart, he's wondering if he can look himself in the mirror, he's wondering if he can look at you without being reminded of how good you are and how bad he is. You have given him a priceless gift and he doesn't recognize the bucket of diamonds sitting in his lap. But, give him a break the island is distracting him from the bucket of diamonds. I don't know what to say you should do. Maybe say, "If you decide you want to fight for this marriage, I will fight tooth and nail for it. But, if you don't, then let's call a spade a spade and get on with our separate lives. I'll be ok and you'll be ok...(you little sh@! -whoops did I type that out loud -sorry, you do have to be able to do that without attitude!)"

Have you considered that maybe he did it and he wanted you to be so mad that you would just walk away so that he wouldn't have to make the decision and be the "bad" person. Now he's freakin' out because you didn't! No matter what, I don't think he would have done that as a strategic plan because I don't believe that any of this is a well thought out plan to have some result at the end. It's reactionary.

It does help that your in MC together. I think that it helps us to be together, although I had to leave our house for a couple days because his face was a trigger and I loved him and hated him every other second and I was going crazy.

Go to a lawyer, educate yourself now. The best thing that will come of it is that you'll protect yourself, the worst thing is that you'll have a little extra knowledge to share with your girlfriends that are going through divorce. It's a sound investment in either case.

Good luck. In 30 minutes, I will be celebrating my first anniversary of a marriage of which the last 5 months have been dealing with the start, discovery, and recovery of an affair. So, my mood is mixed. I love the little sh@!

 
 
chinook
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Fanasty Island is too true

July 16 2007, 11:22 AM 

Hope, you just summed up my WS perfectly. He has visited Fantasy Island (to escape a worklife that was unbearable) where he got to be someone without responsibilites or cares. He figured for sure that I would leave him for it and, in moments of anger, asks what it would take for me to leave cuz the A obviously didn't work. He says he can't beleive how lucky he is to have me around to help him deal with all he has too because he sees coworkers who have no one and are crumbling before his eyes.

Yet, when things get tough (he has actually uttered the phrase "why can't marriage be easy"), he brings back the fantasy to slap me in the face with (luckily, the OW is too far away for him to visit). I have called him on it, pointing out that I was his fantasy escape when we met - I had a home where he could get away from the barracks and infantry life and pretend life was easy. As a result, he was the envy of his buddies. Now, he has another woman he could escape to and pretend that life is easy. I think I caught him in the right frame of mind because he admitted that that was what it was.

The worst part is that, real life is never as fun as fantasy. Real life sucks, pure and simple. You survive it to enjoy the good stuff. It is hard work. I know I could never compete with the fantasy because, with me, comes bills, responsibilites, bosses, home repairs, chores, etc. With her, it was car trips, movies, dinners out and no money worries (He's paying for that now, not me! ) I told him that I wanted that too but that is not how life works.

Too bad - I would love a knight inshining armour to come and tell me that there are no more worries!

Chinook

 
 
Ka
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Re: baby steps

July 16 2007, 4:30 PM 

Hope - I have read your message over and over again. Everything that you wrote makes perfect sense. I really think that my H is having a hard time seeing the difference between fantasy land and a M that takes a lot of work and devotion. I really appreciated your insight. It has made me reflect and look at things a little differently - thank you. How was your anniversary?

Chinook - sorry that your H is in lala land as well ...but you are absolutely right - lala land has no room for bills, responsibilities, crap that comes with everyday life!! I have been feeling a little down lately, thinking of the things that I may have done to break down our marriage --but you are right, life is hard, relationships are hard - we choose how to deal with it all!

MC went ok today. We are giving each other space, said that we'd meet up again over the weekend. I feel in a better place today than I did this weekend. One day at a time, right?!?


    
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Re: baby steps

July 17 2007, 8:02 AM 

Hope,

You have done an excellent job of relating the WS side. However, empathy for the WS for most of us is something we are aware of but just can not give in the beginning. Always we should strive to get to that point, but do not let empathy for the WS struggles have you forgive too quickly or excuse emotionally abusive behavior which includes indifference for the BS’s pain. I feel it is imperative for a healthy reconciliation for the WS to validate the BS’s pain continually for a reasonable amount of time. This is atonement for the WS and lays a foundation to trust for the BS. Atonement is a crucial for the recovery of the marriage without buried resentments.

Ami


 
 
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