Lisa, thank you for your reply. We went to MC this morning. I have to say it feels kind of weird sitting there talking about the things your H has done right there in front of him. But he knows they are true and he sat looking uncomfortable as I gave the details. And, yes, it is nice to feel understood rather than crazy as you delve through this mess of deception. H told the C that he definitely felt our M was worth saving. I told her that I just didn't know yet.
A big part of our troubles remains to be H's immaturity, even at the age of 39. The C got to see some of that pretty quickly today. H was talking about why he had been such a poor father when our twins were born. He said that it had been such a shock and he didn't know how to deal with it. He also mentioned how he had been working on a race car for several years leading up to their birth and how he thought he wasn't going to get to race it because of their arrival. He told her "That's just how guys feel about things like that." The C asked him at what age he thought a guy would be disappointed about having to give up a race car because he'd had children. H didn't know where she was going with this at first. He said "I don't know--a guy my age--any guy!" She responded "Probably a teenage boy would feel that way." She said "A mature 35 year old man would have been excited about the arrival of a child and been able to put the car aside for a while." I guess this sounds bad but I was elated to know that someone else was seeing my point of view. And most of all, that someone besides me was telling him that he had been selfish and immature.
H still maintains that there was no relationship beyond friendship between he and OW.
Anyhoo, I've rambled on enough. We are going back next Monday. I guess we'll see where this leads. I'm kind of relieved that a path has been chosen because we have just "existed" in this M for too long already.
Hugs to everyone!
K