This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on May 8, 2004 1:12 PM This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on Mar 25, 2004 9:54 PM This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on Mar 5, 2004 9:12 PM This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on Feb 26, 2004 1:06 AM This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on Feb 24, 2004 11:03 PM This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on Jan 31, 2004 1:41 PM This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on Jan 31, 2004 1:19 AM This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on Jan 18, 2004 1:18 PM This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on Jan 11, 2004 12:37 AM This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on Jan 9, 2004 1:31 AM This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on Dec 24, 2003 8:04 PM This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on Dec 23, 2003 6:42 PM This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on Dec 17, 2003 2:26 AM This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on Dec 14, 2003 6:39 PM This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on Dec 8, 2003 9:34 PM This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on Nov 25, 2003 1:44 AM This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on Nov 22, 2003 10:33 PM This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on Nov 20, 2003 8:29 PM This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on Nov 18, 2003 8:20 PM This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on Nov 16, 2003 2:49 AM This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on Oct 28, 2003 2:45 AM This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on Oct 25, 2003 12:10 PM This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on Aug 28, 2003 6:38 PM This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on Aug 27, 2003 9:19 PM This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on Aug 23, 2003 7:34 PM This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on Aug 19, 2003 2:23 PM This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on Aug 15, 2003 2:50 AM
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Little moron, I don't care who sees this. I a, just keeping this thread so I remember all my favorite links of the Italian Armed forces' past. Mindy your own buisness
"Italy unfortunately has been long excluded from the number of European powers. If Italians today are worthy of resuming their rights, someday they will see their country arise with glory among the powers of the earth."--Napoleone Buonaparte
Thanks for the links Azzurro, I didn't know Italy had a colony in China. Military actions taken by the Italian city states near unification should count in a country's military history, because it's basically the same land. Should Napolean's conquests not be counted because France was in a different shape then?
"Yes, young men, Italy owes to you an undertaking which has merited the applause of the universe. You have conquered and you will conquer still, because you are prepared for the tactics that decide the fate of battles. You are not unworthy of the men who entered the ranks of a Macedonian phalanx, and who contended not in vain with the proud conquerors of Asia." -Giuseppe Garibaldi, 1860 http://www.geocities.com/italiannavy2000/menu.html http://www.bunkerafrikano.it/ http://www.lagunari.it/reg_ing.htm
"Italy unfortunately has been long excluded from the number of European powers. If Italians today are worthy of resuming their rights, someday they will see their country arise with glory among the powers of the earth."--Napoleone Buonaparte
"Italy unfortunately has been long excluded from the number of European powers. If Italians today are worthy of resuming their rights, someday they will see their country arise with glory among the powers of the earth."--Napoleone Buonaparte
I think Tianjin is formerly known as Tientsin. French, Brits, Russians, Japanese had colonies in China, I never heard Italy had one, maybe it's no larger than an embassy, and you guys call this a colony? then PRC has a colony in Rome today. Hah Hah Hah Hah Hah Hah Hah Hah Hah..............i cant stop laughing!
This message has been edited by hsz on Oct 26, 2003 1:06 AM
"Italy unfortunately has been long excluded from the number of European powers. If Italians today are worthy of resuming their rights, someday they will see their country arise with glory among the powers of the earth."--Napoleone Buonaparte
This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on Sep 4, 2003 12:11 AM
Azzurro you demonstrated your stupidity by using those translation softwares i never trust. The Chinese you typed doesn't make any sense. I dont know what the heck they mean.
China only invaded Korea two times during her histroy. We never invaded other countries because we love peace.
Well, we drove Huns out of our coutry, and then those horsemen moved to the Europe and invaded Roman Empire, caused its collapse. Even though we never ruled italy,(because we didnt want to), this can indirectly shows that China had the capability to rule Italy.
I only respect three nations other than China in the world. American:U.S.A., Europe:Germany Asia:Japan.
You italians should learn something from Germans, look what Germans have done and what you have done.
Try to have some faith, and speak for truth, you may be a good boy.
ciao
This message has been edited by hsz on Oct 26, 2003 1:06 AM
btw, if i translate the chinese you typed into english, is:
China? oh Mine! You are so stupid and jealous. Therefore in italy, i bet you cant ever understand "this you joke"
you are such a genius, may you explain what it means?
thanks
This message has been edited by hsz on Oct 26, 2003 1:07 AM
"Italy unfortunately has been long excluded from the number of European powers. If Italians today are worthy of resuming their rights, someday they will see their country arise with glory among the powers of the earth."--Napoleone Buonaparte
Excellent links! I may have to devote a good part of my afternoon to them!
"Yes, young men, Italy owes to you an undertaking which has merited the applause of the universe. You have conquered and you will conquer still, because you are prepared for the tactics that decide the fate of battles. You are not unworthy of the men who entered the ranks of a Macedonian phalanx, and who contended not in vain with the proud conquerors of Asia." -Giuseppe Garibaldi, 1860 http://www.geocities.com/italiannavy2000/menu.html http://www.bunkerafrikano.it/
‘‘Italy unfortunately has been long excluded from the number of European powers. If Italians today are worthy of resuming their rights, someday they will see their country arise with glory among the powers of the earth.’’--Napoleone Buonaparte
"""HBN thinks his country is the greatest in the world and nothing can stop them (i guess he never heard of india and russia and japan and usa)"""
that hbn is arrogant, however he is right on one point--- no country could stop china except US of a (or maybe russia)
"""China has never ruled areas of Italy, and one more thing, when the CHinese tried to attack and occupy the colony, you FAILED"""
that is becoz italy is in europe, u smarty..
a italian colony in china? lol without help from USof a, russia, jap, france, britain, germany armies, u can never have a chance to defeat chinese.
This message has been edited by nbwz on Jan 18, 2004 5:32 AM
‘‘Italy unfortunately has been long excluded from the number of European powers. If Italians today are worthy of resuming their rights, someday they will see their country arise with glory among the powers of the earth.’’--Napoleone Buonaparte
I mean, people group a nation's conquests with all the forms of that country throughout history. Thus, even though modern-day France is completely different that Napolean's France, French can still brag about him. I think, and know, Italians ought to be able to brag about the Roman ****ing EMPIRE, with Scipio Afrikanus, who beat ****ing Hannibal on his home turf, and the trade empires of Venice and Genoa.
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‘‘Italy unfortunately has been long excluded from the number of European powers. If Italians today are worthy of resuming their rights, someday they will see their country arise with glory among the powers of the earth.’’--Napoleone Buonaparte
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Re: Italia Triumphs again!!
February 24 2004, 11:25 PM
Ah, Azzurro, I see you have got a couple of my friends among your links.
The site about Italian paratroopers even links to two articles I have online on Italian paras in WWII. The guy hasnt asked, though, so I think Im going to have to kick his ass.
Anyway, if you want to check it out, my site is here:
Ethiopia - Mussolini's Invasion And The Italian Occupation
Figure 5. The Horn of Africa and Southwest Arabia, Mid-1930s
As late as September 29, 1934, Rome affirmed its 1928 treaty of friendship with Ethiopia. Nonetheless, it became clear that Italy wished to expand and link its holdings in the Horn of Africa (see fig. 5). Moreover, the international climate of the mid-1930s provided Italy with the expectation that aggression could be undertaken with impunity. Determined to provoke a casus belli, the Mussolini regime began deliberately exploiting the minor provocations that arose in its relations with Ethiopia.
In December 1934, an incident took place at Welwel in the Ogaden, a site of wells used by Somali nomads regularly traversing the borders between Ethiopia and British Somaliland and Italian Somaliland. The Italians had built fortified positions in Welwel in 1930 and, because there had been no protests, assumed that the international community had recognized their rights over this area. However, an Anglo-Ethiopian boundary commission challenged the Italian position when it visited Welwel in late November 1934 on its way to set territorial boundary markers. On encountering Italian belligerence, the commission's members withdrew but left behind their Ethiopian military escort, which eventually fought a battle with Italian units.
In September 1935, the League of Nations exonerated both parties in the Welwel incident. The long delay and the intricate British and French maneuverings persuaded Mussolini that no obstacle would be placed in his path. An Anglo-French proposal in August 1935--just before the League of Nations ruling--that the signatories to the 1906 Tripartite Treaty collaborate for the purpose of assisting in the modernization and reorganization of Ethiopian internal affairs, subject to the consent of Ethiopia, was flatly rejected by the Italians. On October 3, 1935, Italy attacked Ethiopia from Eritrea and Italian Somaliland without a declaration of war. On October 7, the League of Nations unanimously declared Italy an aggressor but took no effective action.
In a war that lasted seven months, Ethiopia was outmatched by Italy in armaments--a situation exacerbated by the fact that a League of Nations arms embargo was not enforced against Italy. Despite a valiant defense, the next six months saw the Ethiopians pushed back on the northern front and in Harerge. Acting on long-standing grievances, a segment of the Tigray forces defected, as did Oromo forces in some areas. Moreover, the Italians made widespread use of chemical weapons and air power. On March 31, 1936, the Ethiopians counterattacked the main Italian force at Maychew but were defeated. By early April 1936, Italian forces had reached Dese in the north and Harer in the east. On May 2, Haile Selassie left for French Somaliland and exile--a move resented by some Ethiopians who were accustomed to a warrior emperor. The Italian forces entered Addis Ababa on May 5. Four days later, Italy announced the annexation of Ethiopia.
On June 30, Haile Selassie made a powerful speech before the League of Nations in Geneva in which he set forth two choices--support for collective security or international lawlessness. The emperor stirred the conscience of many and was thereafter regarded as a major international figure. Britain and France, however, soon recognized Italy's control of Ethiopia. Among the major powers, the United States and the Soviet Union refused to do so.
In early June 1936, Rome promulgated a constitution bringing Ethiopia, Eritrea, and Italian Somaliland together into a single administrative unit divided into six provinces. On June 11, 1936, Marshal Rodolfo Graziani replaced Marshal Pietro Badoglio, who had commanded the Italian forces in the war. In December the Italians declared the whole country to be pacified and under their effective control. Ethiopian resistance nevertheless continued.
After a failed assassination attempt against Graziani on February 19, 1937, the colonial authorities executed 30,000 persons, including about half of the younger, educated Ethiopian population. This harsh policy, however, did not pacify the country. In November 1937, Rome therefore appointed a new governor and instructed him to adopt a more flexible line. Accordingly, large-scale public works projects were undertaken. One result was the construction of the country's first system of improved roads. In the meantime, however, the Italians had decreed miscegenation to be illegal. Racial separation, including residential segregation, was enforced as thoroughly as possible. The Italians showed favoritism to non-Christian Oromo (some of whom had supported the invasion), Somali, and other Muslims in an attempt to isolate the Amhara, who supported Haile Selassie.
Ethiopian resistance continued, nonetheless. Early in 1938, a revolt broke out in Gojam led by the Committee of Unity and Collaboration, which was made up of some of the young, educated elite who had escaped the reprisal after the attempt on Graziani's life. In exile in Britain, the emperor sought to gain the support of the Western democracies for his cause but had little success until Italy entered World War II on the side of Germany in June 1940. Thereafter, Britain and the emperor sought to cooperate with Ethiopian and other indigenous forces in a campaign to dislodge the Italians from Ethiopia and from British Somaliland, which the Italians seized in August 1940, and to resist the Italian invasion of Sudan. Haile Selassie proceeded immediately to Khartoum, where he established closer liaison with both the British headquarters and the resistance forces within Ethiopia.
This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on Apr 27, 2004 10:15 PM
The boorishness of Bolton; the careless arrogance of Rice; the dictatorial hectoring of Rumsfeld - these constitute the embodiment of America that Bush wishes to present to the world. He imagines himself as the latter-day Savior of our planet, and this dismal trio are his Chosen People. This is Diplomacy, Bush Style. -Brian Cloughey
"China only invaded Korea two times during her histroy."
cough... yes, they "tried".
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"When valour takes the field, short will the conflict be; Barbarian rage shall yield the palm to Italy. The vital spark remains, and Roman blood still warms Italians' veins."
- Petrarch
China only invaded Korea two times during her histroy. We never invaded other countries because we love peace.
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errrrr, TIBET? Vietnam? Ambitions to take Taiwain....
Also, Italy had ambitions to establish a Far East Colony but it never materialized. She did send troops over for a short-time but later focused on Africa as it was deemed to far away to support.
Also, Italy had ambitions to establish a Far East Colony but it never materialized. She did send troops over for a short-time but later focused on Africa as it was deemed to far away to support.
There were very small "colonies" in China. But they were so miniscule, it's perhaps one or two cities in size?
"When valour takes the field, short will the conflict be; Barbarian rage shall yield the palm to Italy. The vital spark remains, and Roman blood still warms Italians' veins."
- Petrarch
From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Colonial_Empire#Tientsin.2C_China
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Tientsin, China
In 1901 Italy, along with several other countries, was granted a concession zone in the trading city of Tientsin (now Tianjin) in China. The Italian concession, at 46 hectares, was one of the smallest of the European concessions in that city. The concession arrangement ended by agreement between the Italian Social Republic and Japan's puppet government in China in 1943.
Tientsin, China
In 1901 Italy, along with several other countries, was granted a concession zone in the trading city of Tientsin (now Tianjin) in China. The Italian concession, at 46 hectares, was one of the smallest of the European concessions in that city. The concession arrangement ended by agreement between the Italian Social Republic and Japan's puppet government in China in 1943.
Thanks for the Wikipedia link, buddy. But I already have a link on the Italian concession at Tianjin. Check out the "Italy in China" link in the first post. By the way - are you new? Welcome to the forum, we need more Italians here .
"When valour takes the field, short will the conflict be; Barbarian rage shall yield the palm to Italy. The vital spark remains, and Roman blood still warms Italians' veins."
- Petrarch
it was a simple "concessione", a form of large "fondaco" with absolute legal authonomy
we had too 1 or 2 villages or harbours as "concessione" in the Southern China (Chekiang or Fukien) but probably no one single italian official ever went there
regards
Alessandra Gessa
Ketty Cappelletto
Chiara Perino - 2nd classified at Miss Italia 2004
“Every citizen of a corporate town [one annexed by Rome] has, I take it, two fatherlands, that of which he is a native, and that of which he is a citizen. I will never deny my allegiance to my native town, only I will never forget that Rome is my greater Fatherland, and that my native town is but a portion of Rome.” - Marcus Tullius Cicero
"When valour takes the field, short will the conflict be; Barbarian rage shall yield the palm to Italy. The vital spark remains, and Roman blood still warms Italians' veins."
- Petrarch
This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on Jan 11, 2006 12:47 AM
"When valour takes the field, short will the conflict be; Barbarian rage shall yield the palm to Italy. The vital spark remains, and Roman blood still warms Italians' veins."
- Petrarch
Sometime I want to see the classic Italian debates between classical Italians: animated, yelling, big waving hand gestures, voice tones like a sin wave.
"Sometime I want to see the classic Italian debates between classical Italians: animated, yelling, big waving hand gestures, voice tones like a sin wave."
Blame your precious center-left. They're the ones that dictated these rules.
"When valour takes the field, short will the conflict be; Barbarian rage shall yield the palm to Italy. The vital spark remains, and Roman blood still warms Italians' veins."
- Petrarch
There was no dictating of the rules, both sides negotiated them painstakingly. Maybe Berlusconi felt a bit pressured into it though, as he was and still is behind in the polls. I say he, but that is incorrect, his House of Freedoms coalition is losing to the Olive Tree coalition.
@GoItaly "There was no dictating of the rules, both sides negotiated them painstakingly. Maybe Berlusconi felt a bit pressured into it though, as he was and still is behind in the polls. I say he, but that is incorrect, his House of Freedoms coalition is losing to the Olive Tree coalition."
I wouldn't dismiss the CDL so quickly. A Euromedia poll puts Berlusconi in the lead, and there is talk that if 82% of the electorate votes, Berlusconi would secure victory.
We'll just have to wait and see, I suppose.
I wouldn't dismiss the possibility of Berlusconi pulling off a Schroeder.
"When valour takes the field, short will the conflict be; Barbarian rage shall yield the palm to Italy. The vital spark remains, and Roman blood still warms Italians' veins."
- Petrarch
"When valour takes the field, short will the conflict be; Barbarian rage shall yield the palm to Italy. The vital spark remains, and Roman blood still warms Italians' veins."
- Petrarch
"We will write our own military manuals, which the Americans, British, and French can study in their staff colleges."
-Colonel Behrouz Soleimani, Deputy Commander of the Iranian 21st Infantry Division, following the Liberation of Khorramshahr
"When valour takes the field, short will the conflict be; Barbarian rage shall yield the palm to Italy. The vital spark remains, and Roman blood still warms Italians' veins."
- Petrarch
"We will write our own military manuals, which the Americans, British, and French can study in their staff colleges."
-Colonel Behrouz Soleimani, Deputy Commander of the Iranian 21st Infantry Division, following the Liberation of Khorramshahr
It's just a sad fact that I came across with. Some Koreans refer Korea as the Italy of Asia. But I think that kind of eurocentric stereotyping is disgusting, so I just switched the two.
It's ironic through that foreigners actually refer Koreans as the Irish of ASia instead of Italians.
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Korea Republic National Football Team - "Taeguk Warriors"
"It's just a sad fact that I came across with. Some Koreans refer Korea as the Italy of Asia. But I think that kind of eurocentric stereotyping is disgusting, so I just switched the two.
It's ironic through that foreigners actually refer Koreans as the Irish of ASia instead of Italians"
Question, how much interests does Italy actually have in South Korea? And why would you be the Irish of Asia?
Oh, I understand (I apologize for my reaction).
What's so wrong as being referred to as Italian? Hehe (kidding)
"When valour takes the field, short will the conflict be; Barbarian rage shall yield the palm to Italy. The vital spark remains, and Roman blood still warms Italians' veins."
- Petrarch
Italy and Korea are both peninsulas. What other comparisons are there?
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"When valour takes the field, short will the conflict be; Barbarian rage shall yield the palm to Italy. The vital spark remains, and Roman blood still warms Italians' veins."
- Petrarch
This message has been edited by AzzurroItalia on Sep 19, 2007 10:42 PM
Here are some few:
*have hot-temper
*generally loud-mouthed
*had or currently have significant influence on its region (Korea's "korean wave" pop-cultural influence in East and South East Asia is massive right now)
*authoritative and boss-based society.
*similar types of food (lots of garlic)
*extreme devotion to one's family
*thrive in music and romance
*corruption cases center around high industry and politics, notably the illegal funding of political parties.
*very passionate people
But one thing I noticed different is that Italians have extreme devotion to their own region, considering their history of numerous separate kingdoms, duchy, and etc.
Views about Koreans as the Irish of Asia:
*a divided people
*Both can be violent
*very spiritual people
*warm and hospitable
*Quick to cry and quick to laugh
*Abundance of hard drinkers
*conflict with its neighbor in past
*hard workers
These are merely assumptions that people made. There is no way anyone can prove this, so I think these types of comparisons are rather foolish. Moreover, considering that there are stark difference between qualities of northern and southern Italians, this comparison is quite inaccurate.
Also, I personally think that after Japanese were called the British of Asia, Koreans wanted to rival that, hence they started calling themselves Italians of Asia.
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Korea Republic National Football Team - "Taeguk Warriors"
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