THE TURKISH REPUBLIC OF NORTHERN CYPRUS IN A FLIGHT FROM ERCAN IN THE EARLY HOURS OF THE MORNING
Meanwhile, eight Australian citizens who arrived in Gazimagusa earlier from Lebanon, have left the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus in a flight from Ercan in the early hours of the morning.

The group was the first to be evacuated by air through the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.

Rita Boustani, a member of the group told the BRT that health problems made it impossible for them to travel to Turkey by sea.

Ms Boustani said she and other members of the group were happy to have been given a warm welcome and health care during their stay in the TRNC:

“I left on Friday morning” ... “We had to sit in a hole for practically and then they got us into the buses and we went and sat in a hole. It was a bit tiring but then they got us into ships …Here, people are treating us very well`.

Another member of the group, Rosa Akazi explained that she will go to Australia via Istanbul:

`The situation in Lebanon is not good… Very nice people here .. everything is alright. I am going to Istanbul… I think after Bahrain and then off to Australia…`


BRT

I would keep this quiet if i were you.

You seem to think that eight 'Turkish Australians' going to 'TRNC' from Lebanon is something to shout about. Look at the hundreds of thousands going through Republic of Cyprus and realise that the international community recognises it as the ONLY government of Cyprus.

Who is shouting ?

Only providing info from a news source.

No need to be so uptight.

On paper you may have convinced yourself and others that Greek Cypriots govern all of Cyprus including the Turkish Cypriots, but you know what the reality is.

Unfortunately you choose to ignore the goodwill of the TRNC in times of humanitarian needs. Yet,other times, you also ignorantly attempt to bluff your love for us as "Cypriots" or our "brothers" and wonder why we can never trust you.

The "ROC" does not control Turkish Cypriots or North Cyprus...go to the TRNC and see for yourself.

It would be a good reality check for you grumpy bum

We don't 'govern' you - we are offering you POLITICAL PATRICIPATION in Rep. of cyprus government - do you govern yourselves? - Turkey 'governs' you for her own stragegic reasons - look what that has gotten you - 32 years of isolation and international 'talk-to-the-hand'.

If you want to advertise the 'news' about Cyprus evacuations from lebanon, you need to advertise the hundreds of thousands of Lebanese and foreign nationals evacuated through Cyprus not just the eight Turkish Autralians - you may seem biased otherwise

As a gc you are in no position to be "offering" us participation in your gc "government",unless of course you have biased views of gcs being superior beings to that of Turkish Cypriots.

As you so claim that the "big bad Turkey", fortunately our SAVIOURS, "governs" us, and if so, so be it...we can not be governed non the less whilst being massacred by GC's and your EOKA leaders, which maybe is the reason for so much gc disappointment.

Much safer to be "talking to the hand" as you put it, rather than playing with our lives/future & dealing with your murderous EOKA leaders, whom are free to roam your streets and attempt to bluff negotiations with Turkish Cypriots. Instead of condemning such unpunished "leaders", gcs honour & commemorate them instead. Great for trust building hey ?

However you want to perceive & paint the picture of TRNC, it is a proven safehaven for our people and the only place that can undoubtedly preserve our existance and identity.

In this case, the humantarian good will of the TRNC was reported upon. As a TC, why would I want to promote the one sided intentions of the "ROC"s deliberate attempts to isolate Turkish Cypriots from the World continually, even in such times of helping to save lives of the suffering Lebanese people ? Is our help not worthy in your eyes ?

P.S - Where does it state that the eight Australians arriving in Girne were Turkish Cypriots as
you have claimed ?
My understanding is that they were Lebanese Australians.

Cheers

Most killings of Turkish Cypriots (certainly the village massacres) happened AS A RESULT of the Turkish invasion. Immediately before and mostly during a brutal invasion which left many civilians DEAD, RAPED, TORTURED, some despicable GC militia exacted revenge on TC populations. They killed indiscriminately, just like some invading Turkish soldiers killed and raped their way through Cyprus. Unfortunately, these things happen in war, DO NOT blame just the GC side for these crimes. Before that, there were only intercommunal fighting losses (no massacres, just fighting).

"humantarian good will of the TRNC"

Haha, you mean the ethnic cleansing of 200,000 Greek Cyps from their homes?

'Goodwill' indeed.

It is very appropriate that the measure of humanitarian goodwill in 'TRNC' is only 'eight', while the goodwill in Rep of Cyprus is measured in 'hundreds of thousands'.

It's very typical that you only choose to remember the history of Cyprus from 1974 (Turkish Intervention) onwards ....

As expected, the massacres of Turkish Cypriots from the mid 50's til 74 are not worth remembering in gc's eyes.....unfortunately for you, your attempts to rewrite history to convince us that our "insignificant" people were killed during "minor intercommunal" fighting is simply outrageous.

QUOTE : "It is very appropriate that the measure of humanitarian goodwill in 'TRNC' is only 'eight', while the goodwill in Rep of Cyprus is measured in 'hundreds of thousands'.


Is it fair to say, that according to your statement above, you give the perception that eight lives are not worthy...perhaps the same attitude towards our mudered people ?

I feel that you want to turn this into some sort of competition, that gc's are somehow more human than Turkish Cypriots. You choose to ignore the human side of the situation, and try to focus on who is "better" like in elementary school....

I could be wrong, but that is my opinion

Sadly you try to portray Turkey as being this horrible monster whom simple goes around at it's own free will to attack, invade, murder, rape, destroy everything in sight just for the fun of it...your programmed mechanical statements of such claims are again ridiculous.

Not meaning to disrespect the losses of innocent people...I'm certainly not trying to dismiss that some atrocities were committed from both sides...but please stop deliberately ignoring the REAL reasons to why Turkey rightfully & legally intervened in Cyprus. Stop ignoring the events leading up to the intervention. You choose to forget the Hellenic Ideals of Enosis & it's EOKIST movement to annialiate Turkish Cypriots from the Island...way before the Turkish intervention. Turkish Cypriots could only tolerate so much, before Turkey saved our arse from extinction...your mechanical response to this almost predictable.

Cheers

You mentiones 'massacres' occuring from 1950s - 1974. Please mention ONE 'massacre' that occured before the period of the 1974 invasion. There were killings of BOTH communities - tit-for-tat intercommunal violence, no 'massacres'. Name just ONE 'massacre'.

As for suggesting that i don't value 'eight lives' like the 'murdered people', you are making assumptions about the meaning of my post - i made it very clear what i meant.

Here it is again:

I am accusing you of being 'selective' when posting 'information' about the humanitarian evacuations in cyprus - if you really want to show the current humanitarian efforts of the island and how this reflects on the status of the two 'governing' authorities, then you should show the 'full story'. Republic of cyprus has evacuated hundreds of thousands of people and 'TRNC' just eight. This is because 'TRNC' is unrecognised and is a clear indication of the international illegitimacy of the northern administration.

It seems that this board is a 'propaganda' forum which 'selectively' filters information to present the 'TRNC' in a favourable light and the Republic of cyprus in a bad light. Remember, 'propaganda' is as much about the information you 'leave out' as the inforamtion you 'leave in'. You failed to give the true presentation of humanitarian efforts and focussed on the measly eight Turkic Lebanese refugees.
You may say that this is a Turkish cypriot forum and you post info on the 'TRNC'. If that's the case, how do you explain the 'Nana Mouskouri' thread, where you posted an irrelevant and obscure article in an effort to present a Greek in bad light. It is very clear that you do not want to present an 'impartial' view of the island of cyprus -you only present selected and totally one-sided information to propogate the hatred you feel for Greek Cyps of the island and Hellenism in general.

Here you go...some more "propaganda" for you as you requested. There's more if you really want.



Turkish Cypriots ruthlessly massacred in the village Ayios Vosilios (1964)

Reuters
June 06, 2006

GREEK Cypriots have discovered human remains thought to be those of Turkish Cypriots who went missing during clashes on the ethnically-partitioned island in 1963 and 1964, a source familiar with the issue said today.
If verified, it would be the first known case of a Turkish Cypriot mass grave being found on the Greek Cypriot side of the island since Cyprus was partitioned three decades ago.

The remains were discovered in the south-east of the island at a site forensic experts started excavating on June 2, a source close to the UN-backed Committee for Missing Persons said.

"They found remains, but we are not in a position to say anything until further tests are carried out," said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Asked if they were human remains, the source said: "Yes".

The source was not in a position to say how many individuals were thought to be buried at the site.


- Maybe they only found 8 Turkish Cypriot bodies at the site, perhaps 8 is not a worthy number of massacred Turkish Cypriots to report upon.

- Propaganda site you say ? Please list one single Greek Cypriot site which gives Turkish Cypriots a fair go...a site which genuinely has 1 grain of concern for our rights and injustices faced due to Greek Cypriot driven sanctions. I'm yet to see a Greek Cypriot run site which does not spend it's complete energy to demonise anything of Turkic existance.

- Perhaps you should review a perfect example of a propaganda site over at Cypriana's dark little corner. I'm sure you would already be a regular visitor of the mentioned site.

Regardless of our different views, we are all entitled to our own opinions. Thanks for sharing your opinion here.

The caption says it all: "Turkish Cypriots who went missing during clashes on the ethnically-partitioned island in 1963 and 1964".

During 'clashes' - this indicates that there was a reciprocal attack on the Greek Cypriots - i.e. the Turkish Cypriots were killing GCs too. I can give you hundreds of examples where Greek cypriot civilians were killed by Turkish Cypriot militia. This is an indication of the tit-for-tat war, certainly not a one-sided 'genocide' as you like to portray.

I will ask you once again to provide just one unretaliatory 'massacre' of Turkish cypriots before the Turkish invasion. Have fun trying to find it...

The massacres at Murataga etc happened immediately in the period of the brutal invasion which had caused the death of 6000 Greek cypriots, bombs dropped on hospitals and civilian populated areas by THK and left many hundreds of women needing abortions because of Turkish Army. I don't condone the actions of the Greek cypriots who killed innocent Turkish Cypriot civilians but the massacres must be placed in context of the crimes being committed by the invading Turkish army.

[b]The caption says it all: "Turkish Cypriots who went missing during clashes on the ethnically-partitioned island in 1963 and 1964".

During 'clashes' - this indicates that there was a reciprocal attack on the Greek Cypriots - i.e. the Turkish Cypriots were killing GCs too. I can give you hundreds of examples where Greek cypriot civilians were killed by Turkish Cypriot militia. This is an indication of the tit-for-tat war, certainly not a one-sided 'genocide' as you like to portray.[/b]

On behalf of the Turkish Cypriot community, please accept my apologies, and to your regret, that we defended ourselves against unprovoked Greek Cypriot agression. Unfortunately we were not the easy pushover that your EOKA leaders expected during their ambitions of ENOSIS.

[b]I will ask you once again to provide just one unretaliatory 'massacre' of Turkish cypriots before the Turkish invasion. Have fun trying to find it...[/b]

Nothing new in this expected response & attitude. When Turkish Cypriots are slaughtered, it amounts to nothing in Greek Cypriots eyes. Sad to see that you would even suggest that it would be "fun" to provide you with facts about the massacred Turkish Cypriots.

[b]provide just one unretaliatory 'massacre' of Turkish cypriots [/b]

Unretaliatory you say...a great dilution of events to suit your needs. Your attempts to distract facts away from the core reasons & truths of the Greek Cypriot agenda of the day & today are quite measely.

Are you suggesting that Turkish Cypriots were that "brain dead" that they one day suddenly decided to pick on Greek Cypriots...whom outnumbered us at least 5 to 1, thus provoked "innocent" Greek Cypriots to launch massacres on to innocent Turkish Cypriot civilians as pay back or retaliation ?


[b]The massacres at Murataga etc happened immediately in the period of the brutal invasion which had caused the death of 6000 Greek cypriots, bombs dropped on hospitals and civilian populated areas by THK and left many hundreds of women needing abortions because of Turkish Army. I don't condone the actions of the Greek cypriots who killed innocent Turkish Cypriot civilians but the massacres must be placed in context of the crimes being committed by the invading Turkish army. [/b]

Again, your selective memory wants to ignore any events pre 74, the lead up to the Turkish Intervention. Up until the Intervention, Greek Cypriots had a free reign on slaughtering Turkish Cypriots at will. Squeezing & strangling them into pockets or ghettos, then cleaning up your tracks in the process must have been heaven for your nationalists whilst Mehmetciks was not in your way.

Thank God for Turkey !

"...whom outnumbered us at least 5 to 1, thus provoked "innocent" Greek Cypriots to launch massacres on to innocent Turkish Cypriot civilians as pay back or retaliation..."

You conveniently overlook this event (it happened a good 5 years before ANY attacks on Turkish Cypriots):

Mr Emin Dirvana, a former Turkish diplomat, said: `I was informed that on 7 June 1958 a bomb had been planted in the Turkish press office in Nicosia by persons who, as was later established, had nothing to do with the Greek Cypriots. The Turks of Nicosia were then incited to be overwhelmed by holy indignation and perpetrated acts similar to those committed on 6 and 7 September 1955 in Istanbul.'

In the ITN documentary `Cyprus, Britain's Grim Legacy' the account continues:

"The explosion sparked off a night of riot in Nicosia. Turkish Cypriots burned and looted Greek shops and homes. Soon came counter attacks and the fighting spread around the island. A friend of mine, whose name must still be kept secret, was to confess to me that he had put this little bomb in the doorway in order to create an atmosphere of tension so that people would know that the Turkish Cypriots mattered."

The riots in Nicosia caused by the bomb in the Turkish press office, resulted in the deaths of 56 Greek and 53 Turkish Cypriots.
The higher number of Greek casualties demonstrates that the Turkish Cypriots (who of course were outnumbered in Cyprus 5:1 by Greek Cypriots) had, on the orders of TMT, pre-arranged strongholds and were thus able to fight from a much stronger position than their numerical inferiority would suggest.

TMT's strategy was one of incitement in the hope of provoking inter-ethnic conflict with the aim of securing the separation of the two communities.

"...7 June 1958..."

Terrorist EOKA movement was pulling strings years before the above date.

The core of the problem lies in the fact that Turkish Cypriots simply did not want ENOSIS. Why would they ?

...From the outset, AKEL would come out against the use offeree. In his Reminiscences, Secretary-General Papaioannou claims that, as early as mid-1954, he had been warned by an unnamed Greek officer to 'keep out of the struggle'. In December, the party condemned as provocative the violent incidents which took place in the aftermath of the Greek failure at the UN and threatened to undermine inter-communal relations. On 13 January 1955, its Central Committee denounced the allusions of the Athens radio broadcasts to violence and declared its commitment to a struggle by peaceful means. Equally damning was the party's first reaction to the EOKA explosions of 1 April 1955. Having helped to set the genie free by commencing the drive towards internationalisation, the Communist Party of Cyprus had by then forsaken its ability to influence the course of events.

From Isle of Discord: Nationalism, Imperialism and the Making of the Cyprus Problem (New York University Press, 1999), pp. 242-246.

"Terrorist EOKA movement was pulling strings years before the above date."

Yes. Pulling strings against the occupying British Forces. Not against TCs.

There was no EOKA violence towards TCs before the Nicosia Press office bombing in 1958 which was planted by a TC with the sole intention of starting inter-ethnic tension and violence.......

If you can provide evidence to the contrary...please do so.....

Yes...and TC's just happened to be next, in your way of ultimately achieving ENOSIS. It was only a matter of time.

Regardless, the EOKIST movement did not have it's best interests at heart when it came to TC's. Bomb or no bomb...TC's were thought to be the easy pushover for GC's when the right time came immediately after eliminating the British, to finally & conclusively achieve ENOSIS.

The reasoning of the ethnic tensions both yesterday & today in Cyprus, are not the result of a bomb that was planted by a "TC". I'm sure you are not that naive.

...today's ethnic tensions in Cyprus?...the only ethnic 'tension' that exists in Cyprus is between Turkish mainlanders and Turkish Cypriots...the Turkish Army is not allowing Cypriots of the island to mix freely like we do all over the world...Cypriots in UK, Australia, America get along fine...I'm still waiting for the evidence that proves that there was EOKA violence on the Turkish cypriots before the Nicosia bombing....

...today's ethnic tensions in Cyprus?...the only ethnic 'tension' that exists in Cyprus is between Turkish mainlanders and Turkish Cypriots...the Turkish Army is not allowing Cypriots of the island to mix freely like we do all over the world...Cypriots in UK, Australia, America get along fine...I'm still waiting for the evidence that proves that there was EOKA violence on the Turkish cypriots before the Nicosia bombing....

It is only expected that your mission is to create a distraction with irrelevant events to the REAL causes of the "Cyprus Issue". Good luck in drawing me in to your game...the answers you are looking for might be found in the mysterious "inscriptions" :p

"...the Turkish Army is not allowing Cypriots of the island to mix freely like we do all over the world..."

Our people do mix freely...on the other hand, other peoples in Cyprus such as Greek Cypriots choose not to mix with Turkish Cypriots in an attempt to constrict their throats. True "brotherly" love hey.

Mixing and being dissolved into a Greek Cypriot administration & rule is not an option for Turkish Cypriots. No need to go there again & again. It's a proven failure. Do you see the difference ? No, naturally you choose not to.

Mainland or Turkish Cypriot...it won't matter in another generation or two. At least we can feel safe in our homes and land, not having to watch our backs from anti-Turkish Greek Cypriots.

At the end of the day, ultimately we will remain Turkish Cypriots and not "Greek Muslims"...

"Greek Cypriots choose not to mix with Turkish Cypriots"

Is it the Greek cypriots who choose not to mix freely? For thirty to years, the Turkish army created a border and did not allow GCs to cross north without special dispensation from 'TRNC' administrators.

Many turkish cypriots work in the south and both communities get along quite happily - it's only the turkish army which is preventing the two communities from enjoying their EU status together....

Also, i notice that you are silent when you are asked for some cold, hard facts to subsantiate your position that EOKA was killing TCs before the Nicosia Press Office bombing. The bomb was planted by a Turk on the orders of Turkish officers of TMT to instigate ethnic violence (they succeeded...).

First instigators of Cypriot tension were Turkish officers by planting the bomb and blaming it on Greek Cypriots... just like in Istanbul 1955, where greeks of the city were pogrommed and forced out...the reason? The Turkish government incited ethnic tension in Istanbul by telling Turks that the Greeks bombed Ataturk's house in Thessaloniki, who planted the bomb? A Turk....

There is a pattern emerging with bombs planted by Turks and then blaming the other side.....it's still happening now...Turkish MIT agents are bombing Turkish targets and blaming it on the PKK....it's seems that this behaviour is a Turkish tradition....

If it wasn't a bomb, GC's would have found another excuse to use as a cover up for their "Megali Idea" agenda...

HOW AND WHEN THE CYPRUS PROBLEM WAS CREATED

In order to understand the truth about Cyprus, one has to remember how and when the problem was created.

One thing is clear crystal. No impartial observer will deny that the Cyprus problem did not start in 1974, as the Greeks and Greek Cypriots would have the world to believe. The fact that the United Nations Peace-Keeping force in Cyprus (UNFICYP) has been stationed on the island since 1964 is sufficient to prove that the problem started long before 1974.

For over 400 years, Cyprus has been the home of Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots, who, together, as two distinct national Communities, make up the population of Cyprus. The distinct national, religious and cultural characteristics of each ethnic people have prevented the creation of a Cypriot nation over the centuries. The Greek Cypriots, for their part, have always been strongly opposed to the concept of a “Cypriot nation” lest it be the end of their dream to annex the entire island to Greece.

Statements made by the Greek Cypriot leadership from time to time have demonstrated this. The best example of this is the statement which Makarios himself made as clear as 1963 when he decided that “No Greek, who knows me can ever believe that I would wish to work for the creation of a Cypriot national awareness. The arrangements have created a State but not a Nation”. This statement of Makarios was published in the “Cyprus Mail” of 28 March 1963.

The conflict arose as the result of the Greek and Greek Cypriot agitation for the annexation of Cyprus by Greece (Enosis).

The agitation of Greece and the Greek Cypriots for the union of Cyprus with Greece, which was part of the “Megali Idea” or (Great Idea) aiming at nothing less than the re-creation of the Byzantine Empire at its apogee, may be traced as far back as 1821.

To the Greek Cypriots union of Cyprus with Greece (Enosis) was “liberation and freedom”; to the Turkish Cpriots such a union was “colonization” loss of their equal political status together with all human rights and eventual extinction. Thus, the Greek action for achieving Enosis always brought immediate reaction from the Turkish Cypriot side.

The 1960 Treaties and Agreements signed by Dr. Fazil Kucuk, the leader of the Turkish Cypriot people and Archbishop Makarios, the leader of Greek Cypriot community, as well as by the interested countries (Turkey, Greece and United Kingdom) had created a bi-national independent partnership Republic.

The Turkish Cypriots have always defended, and continued to defend, the independence of Cyprus. But the pan-Hellenist and annexationist dreams of successive Athens’ Governments and the crimes committed by the leaders of the Greek Cypriot community in order to put an end to the independence of the partnership Republic, with the object of bringing about Enosis, have been the real cause of the problem of Cyprus.

After much suffering and loss of life, in 1960 the two peoples accepted a compromise and worked out a constitution following a lengthy and tedious process of technical negotiations.

In short, the two peoples who had fought for opposing political aims, agreed by the text signed in Zurich and London to forego these aims in lieu of a “Partnership Republic” based on the existence of two national peoples and on their inalienable rights and partnership status. These two peoples together, in exercise of their separate rights of self-determination, brought about the “bi-national” State of Cyprus. They together, under agreed terms of cooperation and partnership, shared the legislative, executive, judicial and other functions. Matters which the two peoples had managed on a “Communal” basis over centuries-like education, religion, family law etc.- were left to the autonomy of the separate “Communal” administrations which had legislative, executive, and judicial authority over such matters. In effect the two co-founder peoples of the Republic had established a “functional federative system”. This functional federative character of the former Republic of Cyprus is often forgotten by those who are apt to see the present search for a federal solution as an attempt to dismantle a completely “unitary” system of government, which never existed in Cyprus. Even the 1960 constitution, which the Greek Cypriots have completely destroyed, by force of arms, did not create or even envisage a “unitary” State.

When Cyprus became independent in 1960, it was hoped that the Turkish Cypriots and the Greek Cypriots, as the two peoples of the island, would be able to live harmoniously side-by-side, sharing power conjointly in a bi-national Republic. But this was not to be.

THEY JUST WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE TO KILL TURKISH CYPRIOTS

“THE PAST HAS ANOTHER PATTERN” MEMOIRS OF GEORGE W. BALL

Norton and Co. 1982, pages 341-347

Makarios’ central interest was to block off Turkish intervention so that he and his Greek Cypriots could go on happily massacring Turkish Cypriots. (P.345)

“Three or four vignettes of my Cyprus days stand out sharply in my memory. A massacre took place in Limassol on the south coast in which, as I recall, about fifty Turkish Cypriots were killed – in some cases by bulldozers crushing their flimsy houses. As Makarios and I walked out of the meeting together on the second day, I said to him sharply that such beastly actions had to stop. With amused tolerance, he replied:

“But Mr. Secretary, the Greeks and Turks have lived together for two thousand years on this island and there have been always been occasional incidents: we are quite used to this”

I was furious at such a bland reply:

“Your Beatitude, I have been trying for the last two days to make the simple point that this is not the middle Ages but the latter part of the twentieth century. The world’s not going to stand idly by and let you turn this beautiful island into your private abattoir.”

Instead of the outburst I had expected, he said quietly, with a smile;

“Oh, you’re a hard man, Mr. Secretary, a very hard man!”

I promptly telegraphed the President advising him of my proposal;

“The Greeks Cypriots, I wrote, do not want a peace-keeping force, they just want to be left alone to kill Turkish Cypriots. Meanwhile, I emphasized, the Turks would not wait for a protracted Security Council hassle”. (p. 347)

Kibrisli, you are speculating...there's no point in barraging me with sources that are irrelevant to our discussion..how about hard evidence for your claims that Greek cypriots started killing Turkish cypriots indiscriminately since the 1950s...

I'm not denying there was a call for Enosis with Greece but i can understand why Greek cypriots wanted to join with Greece..Without Greece, there was no security, as the events in Istanbul 1955 showed to the Greeeks who lived there...

Let's stick to the topic...do you not see that Turkey had a major strategic interest to divide Cyprus and the Nicosia bombing was the instigating event of this plan?....

The troubles in Cyprus cannot be laid squarely and solely on the shoulders of greek cypriots...

By the way, i trust George W Ball's words as much as i trust George W Bush's.....both are quite adept at naking up stories to achieve their objectives...(there were Turkish cypriots killed, just as there were Greek Cypriots killed in INTERCOMMUNAL fighting).....

Persephone, You want to know about Massacres which were carried out by Greeks on Turks during the 1960's in Cyprus? Do you honestly believe that Greek Cypriots and Greek Mainlanders are so innocent that Mass Graves in Attilar and Tokhni were all a dream?... Not forgetting my Fathers village of Aleyminyo?

Aleminyo was ment to be a Turkish and Greek Village, One side of the river was Turkish, on the other side of the River was Greek. Luckerly my father moved to London in 1961, so he escaped the Massacres which shortly came to meet my Fathers family. 13 People all in all were beaten up, then killed by being put up against a wall and shot with a machine gun. The proof of this massacre has been already proven. Simply by the remains of the 13 Turkish Cypriots, which 5 of them are my fathers relatives, will be identified in due course.

You must be living in a dream world if you believe no Massacres happened within Cyprus by Greeks on Turks. How do you think this whole problem came to Cyprus? EOKA is a Terrorist Ethnic Cleansing Organisation! EOKA wanted Cyprus to be a independant Island from Greece but a ALL Greek Cypriot Island. ENOSIS is another Political Terrorist organisation which also wanted the Island to be all Greek, but united with Greece. So were do the Turks fit into all of this?...

Well you tell me?

Suleyman,
"You must be living in a dream world if you believe no Massacres happened within Cyprus by Greeks on Turks."

If you read my posts i never said that. I said that massacres (i deplore them unreservedly) happened at a time of ethnic conflict and there were killings of Greek cypriots too. It seems that Turkish cypriots forget about the TMT, forget about attacks and murders of greek cypriots - you accuse Greek cypriots of confining their memory to 1974, but the same could be said about some Turkish cypriots who confine their memory to 1963-74 knowing full well that their was killings of BOTH Greek cypriots and Turkish cypriots during that time....(anti-Greek pogroms of 1955 and the bombings by TMT are conveniently forgotten....)

Furthermore, there is always the accusation that Greek cypriots started massacring the TCs when the FACTS suggest that TMT planted a bomb to 'kick off' the inter-communial strife and anti Greek feeling was encouraged as far back as 1955 when Turks were incited to attack the greek population of Istanbul.....Then, there is a BIG surprise that the Greek Cypriot community wanted Enosis with Greece - if the same thing happened to the Turks of greece they'd want Enosis with Turkey too!

i don't condone violence against ANY civilians but the Cyprus conflict is more multi-facted than you portray.....Both communities suffered from interference of both Greece (EOKA B) and Turkey (TMT) and many crimes against humanity happened on both sides....the important thing is that we look to the future and remove outside interference of our country so we can both live in our European country together....(Both motherlands have exerted too much influence on Cyprus, the difference is that now, Greece is happy for Cyprus to be independent from Greece but Turkey is STILL harbouring notions of 'Turkish Republic'...)

I apologies for getting the wrong end of the stick. However this is the first time I have ever head of a bomb being planted by Turks before all of this happening. I also agree with you that murders had happened on both sides of the coin...

As for Greece being happy with Cyprus Independence but Turkey does not, this is for a simple reason. Greek side of Cyprus has recognition, had equal rights and is in the E.U! And still represents the Greek flag. The Greek cypriot flag, which was designed by a Turkish Cypriot by the way, is always represented next to a E.U and Greece flag.

Turkey should not, would not and shall not leave Northern Cyprus. This is because of a simple fact. Turkish Cypriots need Turkey, even if they dont want to admit it! They need Turkey! This is simply because there population is tiny compared to Greek Cypriots, the Turkish Cypriot Army is funded, taught and guided by Turkey, not forgetting Turkish Cypriot security. As in safety from invasion from Greek Cypriots. No matter what anyone says to me, my personal opinion is that Greek Cypriots have a trick up there sleeve and there waitin for Turkey to pull out of Cyprus before they go in for the Kill.

I respect ur desicions, and I agree with you to a certain extent! But I believe the division of Turks and Greeks is the only way we can survive togeather on the Island.

Suleyman,
I am very sorry to hear that you think that division is the only solution for Cyprus. Division will only breed more hatred and sow the seeds of conflict for future generations.

We must put the past behind us and allow the security that the EU guarantees us to build a better future for our children if not ourselves....
We cannot do this if Turkey is still occupying Cyprus - there needs to be a compromise on both sides....Greece does not intend to create a 'Greek Republic of cyprus' (and even supports Turkey's EU bid)...Turkey must do the same and allow the cypriots to be independent under the umbrella of the EU....

Greece does not want Enosis with Cyprus - nor does Cyprus harbour any wish to unite with Greece - Enosis was a movement which meant security for Greek cypriots against the anti-greek backlash witnessed in Istanbul. This movement is firmly in the past, especially now that Cyprus (and greece) is a member of the EU...

Regarding Turkey's 'Enosis' with 'TRNC':
It is Turkey's steadfast and unreasonable demand to create a Turkish satellite on Cyprus which is the reason why the Turkish community isn't recognised! The uN Resoultuions called for the dissolution of the 'Turkish republic'....If Turkey dissolved the 'TRNC' and allowed the Turkish Cypriots to live with the greek cypriots under one flag - the cypriot flag - then Turkish cypriots would have representation in the government, will unify the economy, improve living standards, have European passports and the same rights as Greek cypriots on Cyprus...We would all be cypriots with the destiny of our nation in our control (not under the control of motherlands and western governments)...unfortunately, Turkey's long-standing aims in securing her strategic objectives has cost the Turkish Cypriots these rights.

You are sadly mistaken if you think that Greek Cypriots are waiting in the wings to take over the Turkish Cypriots..believe me, the pain and sorrow they have suffered for 32 years will not allow the same thing to happen again....Greek cypriots do not have ANY hatred towards the Turkish cypriots whatsoever. This is only the human aspect, the political and security aspect that the EU will give to a united Cyprus will provide all the safeguards to prevent any 'takeovers' (economic, social or political) to occur on Cyprus....

We need to be proud of our heritage and our cultures (Turkish and greek) - we can fly our flags alongside the cypriot flag because it is a celebration of our cultures - but we must be not allow the strategic interests of our motherlands to dictate our future ....greece has supported the independence of the cypriot people, it's time for Turkey to do the same and renounce all claims on northern Cyprus....

HOW AND WHEN THE CYPRUS PROBLEM WAS CREATED


It started in 1571 when the Ottomans decided to drop off a few thousand anatolian gypsies on this otherwise perfect island.

Thank you for this new revelation, that will `no doubt´ rewrite the history books (lol)
We can always relay on the Gavurs to come up with their `alternative´version of historical events (lol)
So it started with a few thousand Ottoman gypsies,... and just look at the situation now... they have stolen 37% of your lands, how dreadful! (lol)
SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT!!!.... CRY!

MAKE SURE YOU LOCK UP YOUR DAUGHTERS AND WIFES, WE WILL BE COMING AFTER THEM NEXT!!!(lol)

NB: If on the other hand you want to try and prove that you are not as stupid as we think (know) you are, and would like to educate yourself with the TRUE facts on the history of Kibris, I am sure we can recommend some books for you to read.
You never know, we might even be able to find a book for you with little cartoon drawings in it, now wouldn`t that be fun!
Theres stupid... and then theres the Greeks!
Thank you anyway for your input... it`s always good for a laugh! (lol)...(lol)...(lol)...(lol)...(lol)...(lol)...(lol)...(lol)...(lol)...(lol)...(lol)