Simple question....

What would the outcome or state of Cyprus & Turkish Cypriots be today, if Turkey had not sent it's Army back in 1974 ?

What would Turkish Cypriots fate have been ?

Would we have been relabeled as greek muslims ?

Slm kibrisli

To be honest and straight to the point,with the mentality that greeks had in 74, and the frenzy in which they were willing to execute this evil genocidal mentality, to me would have seen the brutal murder of `anyone´and `everyone´ they even remotely believed to be a Türk.
The fact that they were even `happy´to kill their own people that opposed ENOSIS is a testimony to their `evil and insane´mental state in 1974.
Whilst on a equal numbers basis the greeks are pethetic cowards, we have to bare in mind that the Türks were greatly out numbered, and relatively unorganised compared to the greeks.
After all when we say the greeks in reality we are talking about the state structure of Cyprus i.e., the majority of the official military, police force, and whole of the inferstructure of Cyprus turning on both the Türks, and those poor greeks that opposed Cyprus being annexed to Greece.
This is no detriment to the testimony of our brave `Mujahit´that fought so bravely before the arrival of the mainland Türkish army, as I am sure we would have tacken many enemies with us to our graves, but it was basically a case of unorganised poorly armed civilian Türkish cypriots holding out against a frenzied Greek military and police force attack, with crazy greek civilians joining in for good measure.
Maybe there would have been a few Túrks left, the ones that convinced the greeks that they too hated Türks, and were basically Greek muslims, such as those now living in ROC,but even then I would not have liked to wager a bet on their survival.

Do you believe that there inner true frustrations, which fuel their relentless attacks on anything Turkish is a result of their helpless feelings of being incapabable of exterminating our existance ?

to be honest kibrisli, who knows what goes on in their twisted minds!
I really think their mentality has been the biggest stumbling block in putting an end to the conflicts, whether we talk about the past violence or the political conflict that continues to this day!

To the Original poster:

I heard this question 1000 times."What would happen if Turkey had not invaded 1n 1974"
And similarly I heard 1000 times the TCs would be eradicated (Sampson admitted it already.) But surprise-surprise Sampson fell 3 days before the Invasion and Klerides the bash-friend of Denktash(in fact his life saver from the 60s) took over remember? I hope you know who Klerides the Tourkophile is in case you don't BOOOO he is the one who fabricated and donated you the Anan Plan working behind our backs...
So much for food for thought.

Yet we all saw the result of the seemingly obvious answer to the above question: the TCs going to Istanbul/Constantinople and kissing the asses of mainland Turks saying thank you, thank you, thank you brothers for saving us...

And the even further results of the Tcs now looking how to be saved from their savors, ha, ha, ha.

The Original question is like asking what would happen if the fire brigade had not come to put off the fire.

Well my friend, next time I hope you are much wiser to pose this question.

"WHO AND WHY SET THE FIRE?"

To this OTTO..guy who keeps on calling the Greeks pathetic cowards:

What would you like to see to have yourself convinced that you are WRONG and a complete brainwashed idiot? Would you like the Greeks to have eradicated the TCs overnight to prove "brave" to you? Do you deny the FACT it was absolutely possible for the "Greeks" to have done that in the 60s? Hence become successful and heroes and winners?

You got the name of OTTOMAN at least you should know this was how the OTTOMANS were brave and successful and heroes.

So stop insulting and concentrate.

I admit there were pathetic cowards among the GCs as there were pathetic cowards among the TCs. One of them is the Dentist doctor outside of Famagusta, whose clientele was all GCs he was smiling and all sweets to the "greeks". And as soon as the Turks Invaded he was torturing his own GC clients who were caught captive. This is what I call a classic pathetic coward.

Had Turkey not intervened, what would have happened?

Turkish Cypriots appealed to the guarantor powers for help, but only Turkey was willing to make any effective response. On July 20, 1974 Turkey intervened under Article IV of the Treaty of Guarantee. The Greek newspaper Eleftherotipia published an interview with Nicos Sampson on Feb. 26, 1981 in which he said, "Had Turkey not intervened I would not only have proclaimed ENOSIS, I would have annihilated the Turks in Cyprus."

Not exactly. It was Turkey who called the guarantor powers to intervene, not the TCs.The right for intervention was limited to restoring the constitution. HOWEVER the constitution has already been restored 3 days before Turks came, by the taking over of Klerides and the fall of Sampson. Klerides took over as per constitution which says the leader of Parliament becomes acting president.

We all know the intervention turned out to be an invasion and ethnic cleansing of 180,000 GCs, the unsurping of their lands and properties etc.

Regardless... After the end of all this WE ALL KNOW that only a total of 70,000 TCs were at the northern part. 50,000 TCs stil stayed in the southern part.Not even one was hurt.The moved to northern area 1 YEAR later with 3rd vienna agreement.

Like I said before my opinion is that the coup and everything was a theater.

Hey who put that irrigation picture in my post?

Anyway do you have an opinion as to "who and why set the fire?"

You think everything was accidental? Was it also accidental that Turkey moved in within a week without knowing it IN ADVANCE and without having made all preparations again IN ADVANCE???????