Hello, i hope this board has't been infested by the disgusting hoards of tasteless gloaters that the others have. This place has always seemed more measured, reasonable and good-willed. I hope it still is.

Just a message to express my sincere sadness and disgust at today's sentencing. Having been a victim of burglary i feel i can comment on the levels of justice being shown. The burglar who burgled me had a long history of previous burglaries, stole a lot of personal things and stuff that we could barely afford to replace as she was a single mother with a young child, willfuly destroyed and stole insurance documents just to fuck us up some more, showed no remorse, also had a drug problem and emotionally scarred my mother and myself for the rest of our lives. He received no more than 40 hours of community service. Today, a bitter and uninformed judge sentenced a vulnerable and ill man who needs serious help to overcome an addiction to 6 months (well, three in prison) in a place where a drug problem can only be magnified. His crime was a temporary act of stupidity and a symptom of his drug problem. A court order to attend rehab, with the threat of custody had he not completed it would have been an absolute godsend. But there is no justice. And there never will be.

I'm not going to write any more here or on any other message board about it because i'm not prepared for some smug little fuck to respond and accuse me of 'licking his arse' or being a fucking fame-hungry groupie. I don't know the man personally but i know from people who do that prison is not a good thing for him. He's not a dangerous criminal or a threat to society. First and foremost i love his music and his talent and it sadens me that we'll be deprived of it. But there is a personal level and i care that its going to damage him irreparably.

I hope but doubt it helps him get better and that he comes back stronger, less drug-dependant and more intent on making the music he loves than before.

I hope the sick shits that are cheering his sentence drown in their own vomit. Fucking heartless horrible scumbags the lot of them.

Thanks for reading and don't bother posting abuse, i won't play.

Here's to Billy Bilo. I hate to see him wrapped in chains.

Jamesxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I thought I might find an honest emotion expressed here, rather than the usual self-aggrandizing attention whores and gleeful torch bearing serfs storming the castle in those other viper pits. I opened the viper pits today with the dread and loathing I'd feel at the prospect of opening a letter I suspect to be drenched in poison, and there it was in all of its malodorous, malignant glory.
Jokes about prison rape? Yes, beatings, maimings and AIDS are fucking hilarious, aren't they? And when we're finished making ourselves feel holy and superior by smashing the golden calf we'll move on to Carl and twist the knife in his gut, too. Does it occur to no one that Carl's actions have all been designed with the obvious intent to save Peter's life? Of course he pressed charges; the expected outcome was court ordered, locked down rehab, not some idol smashing avenger taking the opportunity to make an example. "Gosh judge, I was planning to become a popstar junkie and commit petty crimes in a fit of delusional rage, but thanks to you my path has been turned." Foolish American that I am, I always imagine Europe as more enlightened than my own Puritan home; but apparently drug addiction as a moral failing is still a concept with worldwide popularity. Your tale of your own experiences with "justice" illustrate that my conclusions are not dramatic speculation. Even in the U.S., with legal and penal systems supposedly Draconian in comparison to the rest of the western world, I can find glaring contrast. How about the girl in my town who recently stabbed her newborn son to death with scissors and received probation? But she wasn't one of those filthy drug addicts, so we'll be lenient.

How can anyone demonstrating even the blindest faith be called a sycophantic arse kisser when there is no longer an arse to kiss? And anyway, I would much prefer to be labeled as such than to realize that I am a jaded old fuck, my mind and heart hardened before my time in pathetically futile response to my own failings.

I post these things here in hopes that if there is a reply, even a disagreement, it will be more thoughtful than the mindless sinking of viper's fangs into my ankles which would predictably follow elsewhere and waste my precious time.

My thoughts and compassion are with Peter and Carl right now, people who deserve them.

James, thank you for the irresistible opportunity to vent, and I join you in your wish that the vipers choke on their own bitter bile, and eventually suffer from their lack of understanding of the fragility of human nature.

both posts are what i expected from fans of the libertines both are heartfelt and true. those things being said on .org are as you say vile and the people who say them disgust me. i see nothing funny about 3 months in prison and anyone who does is a sick minded invidual. is there no sympathy in this world? if anyone knows the name of the judge who sentenced peter i would be gratful if you could name him as i have composed i letter voicing my thoughts on the subject of how "hard" peter had to work for his money. you do not always have to study to be considered a hard worker there are other forms of labor. i call pouring you soul into music hard work. there must be some talent, some gift. how heartless can one person be? it had to be terribly obvious to the judge that peter was a man who seriously needed help. what will prision do to him? only time will tell, but i don't think it will help him in the way that he needs to be. i feel sorry of peter, of coarse i do, but i also feel sorry for carl. no matter what they say on .org i believe he wants to help peter, that he wants to clean him up. where is the justification in the sentence? peter is not a danger to society, he is a danger only to himself.
bit funny though isn't it, those really were pete's good old days.
allison xx

i'd have to agree with all three of you...reading that judge's comment made me realize how ignorant the learned can be, and how futile book smarts are w/out actual intelligence and thought for things, especially the world and people around you.

i care and i feel bad about pete, but as operation ivy said, sympathy is only friendship's whore, you know.

cheers,
tomas

this is all very sad news. I hadn't read anything about the sentencing, i've only read posts on the .org forum which had turned into well...

i won't comment on whether the sentencing was right or not because i don't know what priors there were if there were any at all, and because i don't what other things they considered, and because i don't know much about court proceedings etc.

but we should still support the remaining band members, and wish them, pete, and his family the best.

hope all will be well once it's all over.

All i can say is that im very much heartbroken by the news and still cant explain how i feel.
I too, im sickend by whats been wrote on the .org forum and theres no chance im prepared to atleast try and write my feelings on there.

Peter deserved to be punished, he knows that but i was so god damn sure he would escape a prison sentence, and i cpuldnt even imagine what he's first night must of been like.

All i keep thinking back to was the early hours of sunday morning in the Duke of Clarence in front of just a handful of people (due to bilo being rather late, just for a change!) Pete was playing Time 4 heroes and for some strange reason out of nowhere tears begun to fill my eyes and i was trying so very hard for it not to show or for Peter to see.

If any of the above makes me some kind of groupie ass licker, then well then fuck 'em i know what i know and thats all that matters to me.
I know this post is a bit of a waffle, but im still finding it very hard to find the right words to get my feelings down in black and white.

a lot of you said what i am thinking - regardless of any sycophantism chants at me or whatever ill miss him. but just like i missed my mate for being put away for the millwall riots.

i wish people would grow up - i was in despair until i stumbled upon this post - good on each and everyone of you.

Never mind the "I Love George Bush" T-shirt and cowboy hat. I've now decided that when I exit the Bethnal Green tube station you will recognize me by my "Groupie Ass Licker" T-shirt...and I will have one for you, too.

i just wanna say thanx to u guys 4 pretty much saying what i wanted to say bout .org (except ive not really got such a good way with words) i am also sad bout the news, but wot i dont understand is why some people(not here)just arent accepting it? i also agree that some of the things said on .org are really not funny and that saddens me to think some people find petes wellfare a joke!
i send pete, carl and theyre families all my love 4 the next few months which will undoubtably be very hard for all, i also hope that all the true libertine fans can pull together for eachother and support pete and the others and stop this nastiness thats been going on recently.

all my love
lauren x x

time for heroes...oh dear.
can you tell me more on the sunday morning or anything you saw.
i don't live in london,
but i'd love to stand by poor pete.
and do you know where he is now?
which prison?

Pete's not yet in prison. Justice is long and everything. Possibly he won't go to prison, that'as the good thing, depend on his lawyer's abylities.

For the rest, I can't help, I'm in France.

But, for those who write some bright post in this topic, I've made a petition for Pete. Well, it's quite not a petition, it's more a letter to let him know that fans and Ass Licker Groupies loves him. Cause we love him, ain't we ?

So, go on http://www.petitiononline.com/bilo/petition.html , read the whole text, and sign if you'd agree.

Au Revoir
Paul.

i haven't had the internet for ages and as soon as i got it the first page i went to was the .org page. once i had read all the posts i had missed from Peter during the time i had been away i started to read the more recent post by the people. I was shocked by how nasty some people are being about Peter and Carl and the rest of the band, i felt really angry for the rest of the band and the true libertines fans because visitors are going to think that the real fans hate the Libertines and think they deserved all they got. Thankyou to you guys for showing me that this isn't the opinion of everyone, it makes me feel like i belong with you. I've only just found the .de site and i am pleased that i found it because i am with the true libertines fans and i don't have to listen to any of the shit posted by people on the .org site.
Thankyou loads again
~||* cate*||~
~xx~
p.s i hope Peter doesn't have to go to jail if he isn't already there, and the next thing i do is sign that petition!!
p.p.s my thoughts are with Carl and the rest of the band, especially Peter.

steve,

that just made me fill up and have goosebumps.

xxx

I hadn't reviewed what I wrote until now, and I see that I said, "Of course Carl pressed charges". I have no idea what happened in regard to legal details. I should've written, "If Carl pressed charges".
From now on I will try to resist writing in the heat of the moment and think first.

he will get out, don't worry

I have flipped through .org, but the .com site is even worse! Everyone is so on edge and ready to fight. It makes me wonder why Pete ever posted at that place to begin with. But I suppose in the beginning it wasn't over run with vermon. Now like many of you I am not well versed in the ethics of law other than what is supposed to be right and wrong--even that is at liberty-- That judge reminded me of every straight and narrow person I know--big emphasis on the narrow. How backwards is our society--world--that in this day and age an artist is still labled a worthless commodity? I know I am biased b/c there are many artists I do feel as worthless, but all of them work hard to get where they are, and those who don't work hard disappear, even at his lowest Pete or The Libertines had no intention of disappearing. I'm not sure what to say except only time will tell what will happen to these talented young men, what will come of Peter...but I know what I love and I know what I feel and what I have seen when I fell into the libertines and my life is a little more rich and hopeful. I'm in it for the long haul, and if they do not trudge on in this adversity there are all of us out here that can take their message and keep going. That is my plan and i suspect that's Peter's as well, for all of us to spread this feeling like wild fire. Pure joy and love through honesty, never holding back. This is how I have tried to live my life so far, and I will continue to do so.

he will be fine, I know it in my heart, and I know that he will always be out there making music with some form of the libertines, and I will be there when I can, to support him and Carl together or not.
<I hate saying 'or not'>
glad to know you people are out there and a few of you I have had the pleasure of speaking with before, it is no surprise to me that I found you here in this post.


--I'm in love with a feeling--

--allie

Im quite astonished by what I read in the .org these days. I dont know why I even go on there any more ,force of habit I guess.
It used tobe a really kind place, honest. Just look back to january this year, or July last year, it wasfilled with many younghopeful writers who just came on there to share their perspectives on Londons night scene, underground writings, visions of the world, or escapist fantasies, maybe fuelled or inspired by the same things in the lyrics on the libertines or something , whatever it was, I dont know, but today jusreminds me of the nazi boys in my secondary school who disiegrated anything and everything of everyone diferent just becuse they thought they had to.

I mean I wrote that thing to him to retrieve my keys, because i had got locked out....I just in a lucky accident caught my brother awake at 5 in the morning rehearsin for his gig this saturday otherwise I would have to have slept on the streets where earlier that day my mum had been mugged. I needed them back in order not to get locked in for days, you know? for fucks sake.
I mean, Peter is a human being and a person, albeit quite eccentric and head-in the-clouds in his ways, and he was this a long time before becoming a rock 'star' ?.
It is sickening to see all the jokes that are written on .org about jail, so insensitive.
But ive bcome desensitivised to it now I guess, although it still does affect me quite a bitwen i see those things.....And the judge thing that disgusts me, is that it isnt meant to be about judging someone for what they've got, but understanding the persons circumstances.

Si de noche lloras por no ver el sol, entonces las lagrimas no te dejaran ver las estrellas...

in english:

if you cry at night cause you can´t see the sun then the tears in your eyes won´t let you see the stars..

of course it´s not mine.. a friend of mine wrote it to me in a tape she gave me long time ago...


this is all I have to say,
love,

maria

p.s: I hope you´ll keep on writing, there´s still some poetry remaining... don´t let it dissapear

lovely you all

maria i always love your way
keep on writing

paul are you sure our barefoot hero is not in prison?
does he have a chance to get free from it?

"quiso ser trueno y se quedó en sollozo"
he aimed at thunderbolt, he ended up just a sob

(well, its kinda difficult to translate)

this is from a great poem by miguel hernandez. he was writing an elegy about his best friend, ramon sije, who dreamt about a better world and was killed in the civil war instead... i dunno why im thinking about this now...
however i honestly recommend the poem :-)

anna

.org can be a nasty place these days and people rip into otherss for the slightest show of emotion. i remember when i first got there it was full of sensitive souls.

i know im not the most poetic person alive or anything but i feel what you people can write so eloquently.

cant believe your post made me fill up steve...

there are some decent people out there, try and look past the nastiness cos people are just getting their kicks from being nasty and not caring about what they write. Keep writing what you want to write as i for one would be glad of these type of posts rather than the venomous ones that i see at the moment.

people trying to claim the libertines as their own, it makes no sense.... the libetines mean something to all of us individually. They stirred my love for music again, - and for others they mean something different, you cannot own that.

xxxx