Hello all

I interpret the Megasite numbers provided by Kevin to show that there were 351 J Code cars with 4 Speed. My deluxe Marti report shows 531. Is it possible a typo occurred on the Megasite or are the numbers manually entered for the Marti report and an error occurred there.

I'm sure this has come up before so comments from other 4 speed J code owners would be appreciated.


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Paul Cassel
Baden, Ontario

71 Mach 1 429SCJ-R 4 speed
http://www.ve3sy.com/scj/

70 Mach 1 351C 4 speed
http://www.ve3sy.com/mach1/

Paul - I manually entered all that info a number of years ago. It is entirely possible that I transposed those numbers. Per your Marti report, I will correct the number from 351 to 531. Thanks!

John

Hi John

So it is safe then to take the numbers from Kevin's report as being entered from his calculations and not possibly a typo at his end? Would be nice to hear from one or two other J code 4 speed owners who have the Deluxe report to see what their report shows.



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Paul Cassel
Baden, Ontario

71 Mach 1 429SCJ-R 4 speed
http://www.ve3sy.com/scj/

70 Mach 1 351C 4 speed
http://www.ve3sy.com/mach1/

My J code 4sp Marti Delux report shows 556 with these Engine / Transmission Codes & 531 with 429SCJ Engine / Drag Pack. Perhaps this is where the confusion may be? Or am I now Confused!

Forgot to say that the above statistics are for a Mustang Mach1 Sportsroof. Hope this helps.

I think that confirms then the production numbers for the SCJ/4Speed is 531. John plans to correct the number on his statistics page.

Thanks everyone

Paul

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Paul Cassel
Baden, Ontario

71 Mach 1 429SCJ-R 4 speed
http://www.ve3sy.com/scj/

70 Mach 1 351C 4 speed
http://www.ve3sy.com/mach1/

IF there were 531 SCJ 4 speed Mustangs there couldn't be 613 SCJ Mustangs in total production as we know. There could Have been 531 J code mustangs Because not all J codes came with the drag pack option. If the original 351 SCJ J code 4 speeds is correct then the other 180 were CJ J code 4 speed cars.

Bob I thought 531 was the combined number of 429SCJ Drag Pack Mach1 Mustangs 4 sp and Autos.

Hi Nigel,

The 351 (or 531?) number is for SCJ 4 speed Mach 1s.

http://429mustangcougarinfo.50megs.com/statistics.htm

Someone helped me with these numbers years ago when I made this page. Some came from Kevin's book and others came from folks individual Marti reports. If anyone has Kevin's book and/or a Marti report for their car that can help us check the number for "SCJ 4 speed Mach 1s", I would appreciate it.

John B

Hi John

Sorry to open a small hornets nest here however my deluxe Marti Report for my J Code SCJ DragPack 4 speed car shows 531 with this engine transmission combination.



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Paul Cassel
Baden, Ontario

71 Mach 1 429SCJ-R 4 speed
http://www.ve3sy.com/scj/

70 Mach 1 351C 4 speed
http://www.ve3sy.com/mach1/

The Engine and Transmission combo code could be the correct number, but it is the number of cars with the drag pac option which would determine how many of the 531 would be SCJ. Could it be the total number of J code 4 speed mach I's both CJ snd SCJ having the same engine and transmission codes? Because a J code does not indicate an SCJ there were C code SCJ's too. I know you probably already know that.

Paul wrote;

"J Code SCJ DragPack 4 speed car shows 531 with this engine transmission combination."

Paul - as you may know, a "J code" and a "SCJ" are not necessarily the same thing. A J code is a CJ or SCJ with Ram Air whereas a SCJ is a car equipped with a Drag Pack. If your Marti Report is specifying 531 J Codes, this is a different category than 351 SCJs listed on the Stats page. If you look at the page, you will see I have columns also for C and J codes numbers that are yet to be filled in. Please take a look at your Marti report to see if it is talking about J Codes or SCJs in reference to the 531 number and let me know what you find. Thanks!

http://429mustangcougarinfo.50megs.com/statistics.htm

...Bob Lovell sent me his Marti Report. Since they are done for a particular car (example, a J code, SCJ, the numbers reflected are for a "combination" of those two populations (in other words, J codes + SCJs. The numbers on the Stats page are only one of these categories (SCJ, CJ, J code, C code), not both combined together as is shown in the individually published reports. This is my best guess at this point as to why the numbers are different.

Hi John

I have been assuming a J code with Drag Pack would denote an SCJ engine. I only used the J code designation to indicate mine has Ram Air.

My Stats from Kevin are questionable and I intend to contact them for clarification

3,314 with this Paint Code (Grabber Yellow)
180 with these Paint/Trim codes (White clarion)
556 with these engine/transmission codes (4 speed)
840 ordered from this DSO (East Canada)
531 with 429 SCJ/Drag Pack

I would think the purpose for the Statistics is to show the owner the uniqueness of the car so it is strange that Kevin would use the publicly available numbers from his Mustang By The Numbers book rather than numbers unique to my car.

Comments from anyone welcome.


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Paul Cassel
Baden, Ontario

71 Mach 1 429SCJ-R 4 speed
http://www.ve3sy.com/scj/

70 Mach 1 351C 4 speed
http://www.ve3sy.com/mach1/

Hi John

I have been assuming a J code with Drag Pack would denote an SCJ engine. I only used the J code designation to indicate mine has Ram Air.

My Stats from Kevin are questionable and I intend to contact them for clarification

3,314 with this Paint Code (Grabber Yellow)
180 with these Paint/Trim codes (White clarion)
556 with these engine/transmission codes (4 speed)
840 ordered from this DSO (East Canada)
531 with 429 SCJ/Drag Pack

I would think the purpose for the Statistics is to show the owner the uniqueness of the car so it is strange that Kevin would use the publicly available numbers from his Mustang By The Numbers book rather than numbers unique to my car.

Comments from anyone welcome.

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Paul Cassel
Baden, Ontario

71 Mach 1 429SCJ-R 4 speed
http://www.ve3sy.com/scj/

70 Mach 1 351C 4 speed
http://www.ve3sy.com/mach1/

I think you will find on the next line of your report after 531 SCJ's something like
"For the 1971 Mustang Mach I" The 531 SCJ number is the Total Amount of SCJ Mach I's Built which would include C codes, J Codes, 4 Speeds and Automatics. Which would mean your car has a lower production number than you think. Just as the 180 Color/Trim code optioned cars includes all Mach I's Ever produced I would imagine not many would have been SCJ Machs.
When Kevin first purchased the Data Base, (Before he started offering reports) He offered this group and opportunity to ask some questions and he would send a letter with his answers. I took this opportunity to ask some very specific questions about the 71 SCJ Mustangs that came with an automatic transmissions and have a breakdown total of all 5 models of mustang that came with a 429 SCJ and Automatic trans. Since I have a plain old Sportsroof, I asked even more specific questions as to how many SCJ Sportsroofs came optioned like mine, How many SCJ Sportsroofs came in the color/trim codes I have and How many came with 4:11 Gears.
This info is invalueable. I also purchased a Marti Report which the numbers are more general to all Sportsroofs.
A More Detailed breakdown is Included in the Elite Report or by ordering the personalized stats.
Hope this clears up the confusion

Hi John, it’s great there are still some mysteries still out there for us to debate. Be great to sort this one but I think it will go on for some time at least until the mega site statistics page is complete. Yeh I can wait! I visit the forum every day and read every thread & still get a buzz if I feel I can help, not that that happends very often. My poor mustang is still in a million pieces I dream of the day it will be back together. Great to see Thiago finally firing his car up. May be it will be me next? Where is that lotto ticket?

Good to hear from you again and about the status of your car. The nice thing about it not being done is that you always have a cool project of some sort awaiting you when you want to work on it. Once it's done, although fun to drive, may be not nearly as fun as when there were things to do (this is the situation where I find myself.) Can you shoot me an e-mail at JBlair429@comcast.net when you get a chance? I have lost many e-mails due to computer problems about 6 months ago and want to make sure I have your e-mail. Thanks Nigel!

John

It is the number of both Automatics and 4 speeds that were SCJ by the otiginal stats if you add them but the question was for SCJ J code 4 speed mach's. Maybe a coincidence?

Hi Bob my deluxe marti report says 556 with these engine transmission codes. For Mustang Mach1 sportsroof. Engine code J (Ram Air) & Transmission code 6 (4sp)! This would be CJ & SCJ so there must be 351 drag pack 4sp cars.