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July 15 2003 at 3:11 PM
CatherineB  (Premier Login Brocksopp)
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This is an interesting article. Had it not been for reading Why Elephants Weep then I'd have wondered why it was such a big deal, but that book is such an eye-opener to both animal emotions and the scientific tradition of ignoring them!

http://www.msnbc.com/news/937679.asp?0cv=KB10#BODY

 
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diane
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It's long, sorry!

July 25 2003, 12:34 PM 

As a scientist myself I just can't grasp the concept that people STILL believe their animals do not show emotions. Yet they are quite willing to accept that women's moods and emotions change dramatically during 'that time of the month' and therefore perpetuate the fact that physiological changes can affect psychological processes.

I know for a fact that my cats for instance do not depend on us for food or shelter. We have ample out buildings at our house where they can sleep quite warmly, they hunt and eat their kills and play with each other and nearby cats happily. Yet they come in every evening without fail and at least one will curl up with me. BEFORE going to their food bowl each one comes trotting into the living room and leaps onto my lap (separately!) with loud greetings!! Quite often a quick snuggle up follows, then they'll go off to investigate what's for dinner!

In the mornings I am not badgered for food. Rather, I am prevented from rising out of bed by Willow, who curls up and purrs loudly at my scratches and strokes. If it's not Willow, it's Sweep, her brother, who begs to be let under the duvet.

If that doesn't prove that emotions exist in our animals, I don't know what does!!

Seeing this however does have its downside. I dislike visiting farms now. Countless times I have seen cows crowded on a 3ft high bed of straw, stinking of urine and muck and looking depressed. Compare that with the pyrenees, where they roam for miles and canter happily (as they do on the National Trust land near Reigate, Surrey!). I can't leave my dog in the car unless I really have to. Yes, he's 'fine' with it, but not happy.

When Ben said on Saturday that learning was uncomfortable I knew exactly what he meant, but not only did it apply to the things I'd done in the past and what I do now. The more I learn to communicate with my animals the less happy I am with the world around. There are those who can truly change the world, then there are those (of us) who wish we could! I truly hope that there is a way of revisiting earth once I'm gone, to see if anything has changed for the better.

Gosh that was quite, er, emotional! There's a point in it somewhere

 
 
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Animal Emotions

July 25 2003, 1:22 PM 

This is a very interesting article. I agree that trying to understand animals' emotions leads us down a very very responsible path. I for one, cannot go to horse shows any more because I cannot stand seeing the apparent [to me] unhappiness of some of the horses and the treatment of them. But that of course is turning away from the problem. What I should be doing is trying to educate in the same way that I have been educated over the last few years.


 
 
diane
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July 25 2003, 3:02 PM 

I agree Sue, we need to educate. Sometimes I try quite valiantly, other times I just stick my head in the sand (that's another myth by the way, Ostriches don't do that! ), especially when I sense that the owner is an aggressive sort not just to animals! I have recently been threatened when my offers of education were ignored (it was a cruelty case) and I went to the relevent authorities. Makes me very cautious.

Forgot to mention in my last post - What on earth is that poor dog wearing?!?!?

 
 
CatherineB
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Thought I'd add another article.....

August 26 2003, 1:31 PM 

From EthologicalEthics....


http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1019899,00.html

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Man and other animals

Our fellow creatures have feelings - so we should give them rights too

Jeremy Rifkin
Saturday August 16, 2003
The Guardian

While much of the talk in big science this past year has centred on new
breakthroughs in biotechnology, nanotechnology, computers and more
esoteric questions such as the age of our universe, a quieter story has
been unfolding behind the scenes in laboratories around the world - one
whose impact on human perception and our understanding of the world is
likely to be even more profound. And, strangely, the companies sponsoring
the research are McDonald's, Burger King, KFC and other fast food
purveyors.

Pressured by animal rights activists and by growing public support for the
humane treatment of animals, these companies have financed research into,
among other things, the emotional, mental and behavioural states of our
fellow creatures. What the researchers are finding is unsettling. It
appears that many of our fellow creatures are more like us than we had
ever imagined. They feel pain, suffer, experience stress, affection,
excitement - and even love.

Studies on pigs' social behaviour at Purdue University in the US, for
example, have found that they crave affection and are easily depressed if
isolated or denied playtime with each other. The lack of mental and
physical stimuli can result in deterioration of health and increased
incidence of diseases. The EU has taken such studies to heart and has
outlawed the use of isolating pig stalls by 2012, and mandated their
replacement with open-air stalls. In Germany, the government is
encouraging pig farmers to give each pig 20 seconds of human contact every
day and to provide them with two or three toys to prevent them fighting.

The pig study only scratches the surface of what is going on in the field
of research into animal emotions and cognitive abilities. Researchers were
stunned recently by the publication of an article in the prestigious
journal Science reporting on the conceptual abilities of New Caledonian
crows. In controlled experiments, scientists at Oxford University reported
that two birds named Betty and Abel were given a choice between using two
tools, one a straight wire, the other a hooked wire, to snag a piece of
meat from inside a tube. Both chose the hooked wire. But then,
unexpectedly, Abel, the more dominant male, stole Betty's hook, leaving
her only with a straight wire. Unphased, Betty used her beak to wedge the
wire in a crack and then bent it with her beak to produce a hook, like the
one stolen from her. She then snagged the food from inside the tube.
Researchers repeated the experiment 10 more times giving her straight
wires, and she fashioned a hook out of the wire nine times, demonstrating
a sophisticated ability to create tools.

Then there is the story of Alex the African grey parrot, who was able to
master tasks previously thought to be the preserve of human beings. Alex
can identify more than 40 objects and seven colours, and can add and
separate objects into categories.

Equally impressive is Koko, a gorilla who was taught sign language, has
mastered more than 1,000 signs and understands several thousand English
words. On human IQ tests, she scores between 70 and 95, putting her in the
slow learner - but not retarded - category.

Tool-making and developing language skills are just two of the many
attributes we thought were exclusive to our species. Self-awareness is
another. Philosophers and animal behaviourists have long argued that other
animals are not capable of self-awareness because they lack a sense of
individualism. Not so, according to a spate of new studies. At the
Washington National Zoo, orangutans given mirrors explore parts of their
bodies they can't see otherwise, showing a sense of self. An orangutan
named Chantek at the Atlanta Zoo used a mirror to groom his teeth and
adjust his sunglasses, says his trainer.

When it comes to the ultimate test of what distinguishes humans from the
other creatures, scientists have long believed that mourning for the dead
represents the real divide. Other animals have no sense of their mortality
and are unable to comprehend the concept of their own death. But animals,
it appears, experience grief. Elephants will often stand next to their
dead kin for days, in silence, occasionally touching their bodies with
their trunks. Kenyan biologist Joyce Poole, who has studied African
elephants for 25 years, says that elephant behaviour towards their dead
"leaves me with little doubt that they experience deep emotion and have
some understanding of death."

We also know that virtually all animals play, especially when young.
Anyone who has ever observed the antics of puppies, kittens or bear cubs
cannot help but notice the similarities in the way they play and our own
children. Recent studies in the brain chemistry of rats show that when
they play, their brains release large amounts of dopamine, a neurochemical
associated with pleasure and excitement in human beings.

Noting the striking similarities in brain anatomy and chemistry of humans
and other animals, Steven Siviy, a behavioural scientist at Gettysburg
College in Pennsylvania, asks a question increasingly on the minds of
other researchers: "If you believe in evolution by natural selection, how
can you believe that feelings suddenly appeared, out of the blue, with
human beings?"

The new findings of researchers are a far cry from the conceptions
espoused by orthodox science. Until very recently, scientists were still
advancing the idea that most creatures behaved by sheer instinct, and that
what appeared to be learned behaviour was merely genetically wired
activity. Now we know that geese have to teach their goslings their
migration routes. In fact, we are finding out that learning is passed on
from parent to offspring far more often than not and that most animals
engage in learned experience brought on by continued experimentation and
trial-and-error problem-solving.

So what does all of this portend for the way we treat our fellow
creatures? What about the thousands of animals subjected each year to
painful laboratory experiments? Or the millions of domestic animals raised
under inhumane conditions and destined for slaughter and human
consumption. Should we ban leg-hold traps and discourage the sale and
purchase of fur coats? And what about killing animals for sport? Fox
hunting in England, bull-fighting in Spain, cock-fighting in Mexico? What
about entertainment? Should lions be caged in zoos, should elephants be
made to perform in circuses?

These questions are beginning to be raised in courtrooms and in
legislation around the world. Today, Harvard and 25 other law schools in
the US have introduced law courses on animal rights, and an increasing
number of cases representing the rights of animals are entering the court
system. Germany recently became the first government in the world to
guarantee animal rights in its constitution.

The human journey is, at its core, about the extension of empathy to
broader and more inclusive domains. At first, the empathy extended only to
kin and tribe. Eventually it was extended to people of like-minded values
- a common religion, nationality or ideology. In the 19th century, the
first humane societies were established, extending the empathy to include
our fellow creatures. Today, millions of people, under the banner of the
animal rights movement, are continuing to deepen and to expand human
concern for, and empathy toward, our fellow creatures.

The current studies into animals' emotions, cognition and behaviour open
up a new phase in the human journey, allowing us to both expand and deepen
our empathy - this time, to include the broader community of creatures who
live alongside us.

Jeremy Rifkin is the author of Beyond Beef: The Rise and Fall of the
Cattle Culture (Plume, 1992), and The Biotech Century (Victor Gollancz,
1998). He is also the president of the Foundation on Economic Trends in
Washington DC

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