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Cloned animals miserable, but safe to eat

January 16 2008 at 12:01 PM
CatherineB  (Premier Login Brocksopp)
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Sorry, another article which is off-topic but I just found it so grim and freaky that I thought I'd inflict it on you too..... I could go on such a long rant about points raised in it but it's probably bad for my blood-pressure and goes without saying anyhow!

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23061280-5005961,00.html

Cloned animals miserable, but safe to eat
By Maggie Fox in Washington
January 16, 2008 02:11pm

CLONED animals may often be born deformed and die young but scientists,
who have looked at every aspect of their biology to try to explain why,
can find no evidence that it would be dangerous to eat them.

None of the more than 700 studies reviewed in detail showed any evidence
to suggest that milk or organ or muscle tissue from cloned animals could
harm someone who ate it, the US Food and Drug Administration said in its
final report on the subject today.

"We have actually done a more in-depth analysis of the meat from cloned
animals than has been done ever," said Mark Walton, president of
Texas-based farm animal cloning firm ViaGen.
In 2002, a National Academy of Sciences panel said there was no reason to
believe that meat or milk from cloned animals may be unsafe. But it said
the FDA should do a review, and because of the outpouring of opinions and
fears about the subject, the agency extended its review for more than a
year.

Cloned calves had died from respiratory, digestive, circulatory, nervous,
muscular and skeletal abnormalities, as well as because they had abnormal
placentas, the FDA said.

And researchers have looked at all the possible causes of these
abnormalities - changes in the genes, in other parts of DNA that affect
what genes do and the process of cloning itself.

They have looked at whether the surviving animals have unusual levels of
hormones such as the stress hormone cortisol or growth hormones. They have
looked at whether their milk contains altered levels of fat or fatty
acids, and they have fed animal products from clones to mice and other
animals to see if there are any health effects.

Animals are cloned using somatic cell nuclear transfer - a process in
which an egg cell is hollowed out and the nucleus from an ordinary cell
from the animal to be copied is put inside.

An electric or chemical charge is used to start the egg growing and
dividing as if it had been fertilised by a sperm.

This process itself can cause changes in the development of the embryo,
fetus and young animal. Not all the same genes are turned on as are active
during normal sexual reproduction, studies have found.

But if the animal survives more than a few months, it appears normal in
most ways, the studies indicate.

"As part of the process of evaluating meat and milk from cloned animals,
we and USDA (the US Department of Agriculture) looked at a group of cloned
animals and we looked at more components of muscle tissue and of meat than
normally is looked at," Mr Walton said.

"This is one of the most rigorous food safety reviews ever conducted,"
said Jerome Baker, chief executive of the Federation of Animal Science
Societies.

As the FDA ruled today that food from cloned animals was safe, the
Agriculture Department asked the cloning industry to extend a voluntary
ban on marketing food from the animals ban during a transition period.

Even so, it was unlikely people would eat food directly from a cloned
animal - they were more likely to be used as breeding stock, with cloning
used to reproduce animals with desired characteristics, animal cloners
said.

And any sexually produced offspring would be even more normal than their
parents, the FDA and the scientists agreed.

Margaret Mellon, director of the Food and Environment Program at the Union
of Concerned Scientists and a critic of the approval, agreed that the food
itself was unlikely to be dangerous.

"It seems to me that the food safety risks are very remote," Ms Mellon
said.

"The question is how sure you have to be about the safety of the
technology when you are moving it into society against a tidal wave of
consumer as well as trade concern."






 
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Re: Cloned animals miserable, but safe to eat

January 17 2008, 10:13 AM 

"An electric or chemical charge is used to start the egg growing and
dividing as if it had been fertilised by a sperm".

I hope they're paying copyright dues to the estate of Mary Shelley, who after all invented this process in "Frankenstein"

The last paragraph is really incredible - they're FORCING this horrible stuff on the public, when what should be happening, according to all the human and animal welfare research is cutting meat and dairy consumption down to the point of eliminating it - even the UK government website on health says this! It's bad enough having to listen to all the tired old rubbish (compare the arguments of the slave traders in Adam Hochschild's truly excellent "Bury the Chains") about the economic interests of farmers/butchers/furriers etc etc without creating ever more economic interests to be protected - cloners, developers of the process, specialist equipment makers etc etc etc.
I'm not surprised you couldn't resist putting this on, Catherine - thanks for doing so - we need to keep an eye on this sort of thinking! - Isn't there quite a bit of horse cloning in the US? - anyone got a reference?


 
 

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Horse cloning

January 17 2008, 11:22 AM 

Hi Rita
Some refs on horse cloning..

The first cloned horse was back in 2003.
http://human-clone.com/animal/horse.html

There was a more recent update article about it (2007) on thehorse.com -register for free then can read it.

Equine Cloning: Where Are We Today?
by: Christy West, TheHorse.com Webmaster
July 07 2007, Article # 9948

Most cloning done with horses isn't 'full cloning'. You transfer the nucleus but its in the cytoplasm of the surrogate egg and now we know that the cytoplasm has loads of stuff in it that can enter the nucleus and affect it - so if you have a nucleus but the surrogate cytoplasm then the effects of the surrogate will mean that its not a true clone.
However, work has been done to address this.

Also see an article in Nature Biotech from 2006 - Nuclear Transfer saddles up.
1: Nat Biotechnol. 2006 Jun;24(6):605-7. Epub 2006 Jun 2

 
 

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Re: Cloned animals miserable, but safe to eat

January 17 2008, 11:25 AM 

Another article about cloned meat from US

USDA requests cloned animals be kept off the market despite FDA declaring it safe (US).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/15/AR2008011501555.html

 
 
CatherineB
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Re: Cloned animals miserable, but safe to eat

January 17 2008, 1:54 PM 

Thanks for the other refs, Suz.

We also had a thread on horse cloning once before, can't remember how far back though but I'll bring it up if I find it.

Totally agree with everything you say Rita. I don't want to be too hypocritical here because I am not a vegetarian (and ashamed of it but that's another story...), at least not when I'm at home and know where my meat has come from. But I do like to know what I am eating, for reasons of both animal welfare and my own selfish health, and find all the doctoring of food unbelievably scary. We just never seem to learn, instead allowing big corporations to walk all over what we actually want/need. You'd have thought BSE, F+M etc would have been such big wake-up calls but apparently not, even the recent Surrey F+M outbreak seemed to be much more about point-scoring and who to blame than anything else.

There's been a big push in the UK recently from the celebrity TV chefs to encourage people to eat more healthily, consider the lives of battery/broiler chickens, buy more organic or at least free-range meat etc Sooner or later in the program there is always someone who says that it's all very well but people on a budget can't afford to buy organic etc etc Obviously they have a point but when you see the shit that goes into the economy ranges of food it makes me wonder how people on tight budgets can afford not to eat decent quality food. That probably sounds a horribly "Daily Mail" like thing to say but I just can't bring myself to apologise for it!!! I always feel that these programs are sensational and make their points pretty well but never quite offer enough information about how to start saying I can do this on a tight budget and despite working all day and having very little time for cooking from scratch. The TV programs recently have been a bit unrelenting so maybe there will be a big step forwards this time. Can but hope naively....

Think I've deviated a bit but still, always good to have a rant...

Catherine

 
 
Diane
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Re: Cloned animals miserable, but safe to eat

January 17 2008, 4:56 PM 

Those articles make me ashamed to even be in the field of medical research. Unbelievable! Wrong in sooooo many ways!

As for eating on a budget - well, I did it and basically went vegetarian. I'm not so veggie now as I can afford meat a bit more, but still choose the meat very carefully.

Sidetracking again, my friend the other night said how proud she was to be a vegetarian, as we watched some of a programme, where overweight adults were out in Tibet or somewhere. They had to kill a Yak which had been reared on the mountains for 8 years. They didn't want to kill the Yak, although they had just cooked their version of 'food' for the natives, which included microwave meals, Heinz ravioli, packets of cheapo bacon, eggs etc - you get the drift. I was first flabbergasted that they could fail to see the connection between their own food and the welfare thereof in relation to this Yak's healthy and happy life followed by a quick slaughter outdoors and with minimal stress.

What REALLY got me was that my friend buys battery eggs. Not to mention convenience everything! ARRRGGHHHHH!!!! I had to do a lot of lip-biting that night...

 
 
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