I don't understand why the powers that b don't do a little something to make this thing work:

Take the far East, let Brockville in.

Nepean, Gloucester, Brockville, Akwesasne, Kahnawake, and Cornwall.

6 team league unless I am missing someone. 4 teams make the playoffs or all do with top two receiving a bye or a choice. we can get a 20 game schedule out of that if not more.

Winner goes to OLA final

Take the rest of the OLA teams and make them into 4 divisions. No interlocking schedule between them.

Divisional winners meet in a round robin tourney for OLA Championship. Use a host format and rotate it between the divisions.

Winner of that goes to the founders.....

That would work.

Dream on. You guys are small potatoes.

Brockville did not get accepted and we will never get accepted to OLA Jr B.Not getting in this season erases the dream.We have the players to have had 3-5 strong(in the Far East) seasons including 2009.It was our hope that bringing Jr B to a non traditional lacrosse market would bring back those extra 3-4 star athletes per team.There are only so many of the real athletes and summer hockey,football(new kid on the block),baseball,rowing and lacrosse are all trying to get them.Rowing and Baseball are deeply entrenched in Brockville and have great programs with kids getting scholarships every year.Parents want their kids education paid for and they steer the Athletic ones to the game they(the parent)probably played because they feel in control of their kids destiny.If your kid plays hockey and lacrosse and is good at them and you live in a City that has Jr A and Jr B hockey teams and a lacrosse program that ends at Intermediate the choice is easy.Once they(the players) are 18-19 and realize the local beer league is as far as they are getting in hockey a lot of them do come back to lacrosse.So you guys solve your Jr B problems on your own and we'll keep working on our Minor system.Our goal is the Intermediate A Championship and that would be as good an accomplishment as any other Far East team.

join the ila, and you would have an immediate rivalry with tyendinaga, the future of the league is bright, with cornwall, and lightning entering, along with kahnawake, and onondaga. with lightning entering is there going to be an eagles team? man i love them jerseys

Tye is out, that's why they are trying to replace with Cornwall

you can't get a Jr. B franchise based on HOPE that after 3 years your minor system will be able to supply talent. The reality is your minor system is a disaster....and that would lead some to second guess awarding a franchise to an org with NO future. Have you heard the saying "putting the cart before the horse"?

Build your minor system up to the point where the NEXT logical step would be a junior team......your thinking was backwards

I am not complaining and I fully understand.It was a shot in the dark,that's it that's all.

why the hell would lightning go to the ila thats the dumbest idea ive ever heard
come on spooky get u head outta the gutter

Possible 2009 ILA Jr B Teams

Akwesasne
Onondaga
Kahnawake
Cornwall (maybe)
Brockville (maybe)

If this is made possible, it is a very small circuit. This cannot be any fun for the kids and fans!

If Cornwall and Brockville don't get a pass from the CLA, what then?

Has anyone from the OLA even asked Brockville if they will reconsider? Has the OLA Jr B Council made any plans to rectify this mess?

I know someone from the OLA must be reading these threads!

Come on Dave (Vernon) lets hear something official!

How can you ask Spooky to take his head out of the guttter! Don't you think
he's had enough, maybe you should buy the team.

then why do we so many comments from you and your boyfriend in Cornwall always blaming Nepean for you not getting into the OLA league.

Love to know what center your from! Who would have thought 2 years ago the Lightning would pull the plug to the OLA? There is never no guarrantee, same thing can happen to Gloucester or Nepean don't kid yourself. What was sure is Brockville would have been competitive in the Jr.B East for 3 years, so what? And big deal if we don't know what will happen to Brockville in year 4! If I had a crystal ball, I wouldn't be here, ... probably on a beach in the Caymen Islands with a bud light in my hand comes to thought. (lol)

Here are my divisional ideas:

EAST
Akwesasne
Brockville
Gloucester
Nepean
Kahnawake
Cornwall
St. Regis (stealng akwsasne 2 from the ila)

CENTRAL
Huntsville
Barrie
Newmarket
Markham
Mimico
Halton
Gaels

MID-WEST
Welland
Niagara
Spartan
Hamilton
Orangeville
Oakville
Mississauga
Six Nations

WESTERN
Windsor
Wallaceburg
Sarnia
London
Owen Sound
Elora
Guelph

No interlock at all. Play in your division only....meet in the finals. can't make trips to the GTA to keep competitive then stay in your own division and get getter on your own.

anonymous for president, i'm in, if it were only that easy.

Maybe put nepean in the central since they want to play the gta teams more.

nepean can play in the east. they can go to tournaments in the preseason if they want to play GTA teams more....or else call them the havelock knights and they can move divisions.

It does no one any good if one or 2 teams are beating the other teams badly each game.If you want to have pure eastern league thats good but each team is going to have to be good.

last time I cheacked they all have minor systems and there isn't a sports league around that all have good teams in one division..

There is a difference having one or 2 bad teams and 5 out of the 7 teams beeing bad.

the scores of the games played between the the far east teams for the last three years. I'm sure you will be surprised at how close they have been.

Have you even looked at the scores and game results between the FE teams? There were different winners every night out. Gloucester beat Akwesasne two out of three games and went two for two with Cornwall and how many games did Nepean lose to Cornwall or Akwesasne as well. That division got a lot better playing competitively among themselves, the four teams lose very few players to graduation and are finally growing old together (as in they finally they have some 20/21 year olds to hold up their end).

Also interestingly there was NO forum dialogue about how NO FE team has won outside of division this year, not counting playoffs the FE had Nepean - 3 wins, Akwesasne - 3 wins, Cornwall - 3 wins and Gloucester - 2 wins, outside of their division with teams all built around 19yr olds. And LAXDADDY when you think about losing teams then maybe you should look at Sarnia, Welland, Huntsville, Mississauga and Markham AND don't forget your history lesson because the mighty Orangeville once went 0 -13 and quit the league before they got their act together and won a Founder's Cup a few years later, beating who ... Gloucester the terrible! Remember there but for the Grace of God go you so stop dumping on the others, recognize that this is an Ontario league ... the only real Ontario league that covers the entire Province!

And for that wannabe out there that is upset because Gloucester was in three Founders in the 1980's and 90's, two representing Quebec and one representing Ontario, I say look back over your Club's history or the history of any of the FE clubs or the history of the entire Ontario Junior B league for that matter and find me those Clubs that hosted ANY Founder's Tournaments let alone two (and not to speak of two league All-Star games as well)before you start complaining! At least Gloucester continues to show up ... the kids from their programme for bad or good have proven they have no fear ... they come they play ...if they lose, they come again ... never quit ... they love the game, win or lose ... third longest continuing Junior B operation in the Province ... many other Clubs have quit or taken a leave of absence but Gloucester kept on showing up ... their ex players have taken full advantage of that opportunity and are everywhere in the lacrosse community ... talk to me again when your club gets to 32 years continuous operation by then we will be at 40 or 50 or more and still counting.

Good points Dave.

Dave - how many of all of the FE wins in 2008 were against teams with winning records...any ?

What is the Ferguson Cup - According to your own website you are 5 - 11 in that.

Thirty-two years of continuous operation - over half of it is dismal. In the past 15 years you have made the playoffs 3 times. In the past decade only twice. Six years in row right now. Some of the game scores through the years are so embarrassing. I remember one game playing straight time as the level of competition was so uneven and we still racked up over 30 goals against your fearless, show up and never give up players. I felt so bad for your players, they were so in over their heads.

Thanks for showing up, it helps us pad our stats.

If Cornwall and Akwesasne are out of the league, what is your projection for wins in 2009?

Looking forward to playing you in 2009.

Any thought the problem is not the players, maybe it's the coaching.

When you hit your 50 year anniversary, are you going to celebrate it by making the playoffs ?

Must be a real a s s h o l e to make comments like that! Get a fu c kin life idiot! You think Dave hasn't put up with enough! It's people like you that must run to the bench when a bench brawl breaks out. Idiot coward.

logic. Last year you were quick to point out that there had been no wins for the FE over central teams for years but now they have to be against teams with a plus 500 record ... there is just no pleasing some people! How many wins did the five teams that finished below Gloucester in the Junior B standings have against teams with a winning record? Hmmm I thought so!

Also thanks you other guys for your support but not to worry I have thick skin and broad shoulders and can take the heat. We all know it is easier to critize than offer solutions. However I really would like to thank this nameless one for supporting the very position that our FE teams have been trying to make throughout this arguement and he did so well too. It basically sounds like this guy is saying that if it were his team and they were losing badly and often then they would just fold their tents, quit trying and head for the hills ... quit the game? Luckily we are made of a little better stuff than his group.

For point of explanation that trip that you are speaking about was the fourth weekend trip to GTA for our team that summer and by that point in the season many of our players were being told by their employers that they couldn't have any more time off for lacrosse and to make a choice. Where a job that you need is concerned that makes it a tough choice and we went on that trip with 11 runners and two goalies (all of them the younger players), hence the lopsided game! It is really nice that you took it easy on a group of 17/18 yr olds and felt sorry for them and didn't pad your stats too bad! This, as well as the financial position, is exactly why the FE needs more zone teams in the division and reduced travel to GTA. I would LOVE to see any team from the GTA arrive in Ottawa with a full bench of registered Junior players four times during the summer ... come to think of it that might be a really good scheduling proposal so you can walk in our shoes for awhile.

As for making the playoffs in our 50th Anniversary year we will certainly be trying all things being somewhat equal. You however are missing the whole point here ....since there will only ever be one winner out of 26 teams I guess that would make you and your team losers like all those from the other 24 centres that don't win and if that is the case, I feel sorry for you. Lacrosse is a great game and this is about an opportunity for kids to play at a high level, win or lose! There are 600 kids playing the game in Gloucester and we feel that they deserve the oppportunity to play the game at the highest level available which happens to be Junior B in this case. The kids that came through our programme are great people and it is really good to see our alumni holding executive positions, coaching, referring or financially supporting their old club .... to me that makes winners out of all of them for simply having got to play the game.

And just to complete your wounderfully researched piece above, did you know or bother to find out, that despite that terrible loss you described every one of those kids excepting a goalie who moved out of the City, returned to play lacrosse the next year and many are still playing with our organization today. So much for all the psychological scarring that you were able to inflict. How about when you come back on this response why don't you offer up some real constructive ideas on how to make your league 'better' for all of the teams in Ontario not just yours. You know if you could just get rid of all the teams that finish below 500 each year just how long will it be before your team is gone?

even if there was only one Akwesasne OLA team this is not bad and it might be where the league eventually needs to go. For now though the FE was only looking to reduce the basic interlocking play so everyone still had an idea of the relative strengths and weaknesses throughout the league. On the other hand the east and west conference teams never play until the final series anyway so why not do something this radical.

I don't see why they don't follow Jr. B hockey in southern ontario.
the have merged three leagues into one entity. Although they play some interlock...not too much, they have three separate and distinct conferences.

how does this model not work for lacrosse?