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Coupe Express on E-Bay

by Lee W.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Studebaker-Coupe-Express-J-5-1937-Studebaker-J-5-Coupe-Express-California-Barn-Find-Original-Paint-/371097686697?forcerrptr=true&hash=item56672552a9&item=371097686697&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

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Me like!

by John Weinrich



Posted on Jul 9, 2014, 1:58 PM
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Is very nice!

by MW

Is already too rich for my blood and certainly will be by the time this one is over. But, a very nice looking original truck. That rust repair in the bed and tailgate shouldn't be too hard for a good metal person. I'd probably fix that up, clean it up a bit here and there and get it running well and safely and drive it most as a survivor truck. Only fix what is needed and leave it alone as much as possible otherwise. Looks like it would clean up pretty nicely with a bit of elbow grease and careful attention to detail.

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Re: Coupe Express on E-Bay

by looks weird with...

the rear wheels NOT centered in the fender openings....
surely it don't look that bad original??

Posted on Jul 9, 2014, 2:47 PM
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Rear Wheels!

by Bill Fowler / Solo Speed Shop

I have a 39 Coupe Express & Yes that's the way they look! His looks a little bad as chunk out of fender & fender bent! But They did look like wheel forward & could have been centered better! But Coupe Express! Nice rare trucks! I have a 39 It could be bought if UR looking for a 39 Tks Bill

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39 xpress

by john

I may have a line on a 37 dually "high boy" tow truck its original in southern us and in need of some love. Cable hand crank operated tow hook. Is your express all ready done and do you have a price in mind. Would have loved to been there to see how you jammed that Cummins into an m series, just curious why only one stack? Any interest in the tow truck? Cash or trade?? Regards John


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EXPRESS

by Bill Fowler / Solo Speed Shop

Hey John!
First off I would love to take the credit on the Stude / Cummings build but I sold Ron a bone stock truck from CA w/ tons of patina & the work was done by his crew at old Iron Works in OH they are very talented!

39 Coupe Express Orig CA trk from Riverside CA was in a barn for 40 years! Its CQQL I had to have it but after 3 years & 24 other Cars & Trucks It could use a new owner I paid 25K for it & did a lot of tune up work like radiator rebuilt w/ orig tanks 4 Core (900.00) Carb wires Blah Blah Blah! Body in real nice shape Needs interior! Runs & Drives Could use Brakes rebuilt! Nice orig Vin tag most are rusted off current CA title & reg! Just a nice express not a restored orig truck! Price make me offer over 25K If interested I don't do pics on this site my buddy John K does that for me Email me at mtnmanbf@aol.com or (818) 517-3907 Tks! Bill Tow Truck Send me Pics!

Posted on Jul 9, 2014, 10:07 PM
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express

by john

I drive long haul and have a BBQ trailer that I cater with on the weekends, I would love an express but don't think I can make you an offer on yours budgetary issues, distance and exchange rate. Although I know I will never find one in Canada without cancer on the bottom 18inches of metal and no interiour will be left, if there is a barn find left up here. Once I secure the tow truck I will email you pictures directly I haven't figured out how to post anything more then words here. Reguards John
FYI I have a number for the tow truck but it may be 6 monthes before I can get there to pay for it and get it home, the nice part of not being in a hurry is someone else pays youwhile you bring your toys home lol


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Tow truck.

by 289stude

I may be interested in the tow truck please call me at 8I4 72O 4I47

Posted on Jul 10, 2014, 12:10 PM
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Could be a 4BT?

by Bish

Smaller engine , 4 cyl vs. a 6.

Bish

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Vern sent you an email

by Beth Marler

Hi Vern,

I sent you two emails asking about head light buckets.

Regards,

Beth

Posted on Jul 9, 2014, 11:33 AM
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got last one

by vern

I don't know what happen to first. had to be something I didn't do

Posted on Jul 9, 2014, 12:32 PM
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Windshield trim clips

by Joe Diggle

The two little clips that fit at the top and bottom of my inside window molding/trim went missing. Part # 282910P ad 282911p (1950 C-cab)
anyone know a source where I can find these?


thanks

Joe Diggle


Posted on Jul 9, 2014, 10:35 AM
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need gas tank

by E J Finn

I need to replace the gas tank on my 1953 Studebaker 3/4 ton pickup, R2-11 but haven't been able to locate one through an internet search. Would it be possible to substitute the gas tank from another make of truck? Any ideas out there?
Thanks--
EJF

Posted on Jul 8, 2014, 11:48 PM
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Maybe not a big help but

by Frank from Germany

I've got a gas tank from 607 Mercedes Benz, I think a late 80's model pickup truck in my 53 2R11.

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Posted on Jul 9, 2014, 12:03 AM
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Nice retrofit, does that

by John Weinrich

U-joint have to much grease or is it just happy to see me?

Posted on Jul 9, 2014, 5:24 AM
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Is that an in-tank electric fuel pump?

by Lee W.



Posted on Jul 9, 2014, 11:14 AM
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Size?

by Norm

How many gallons is the Mercedes tank? Could you use the stock gage?

Posted on Jul 9, 2014, 11:36 AM
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Size

by Frank from Germany

If I'm not wrong it's a 20 gal tank, don't know if the original gas sending unit will fit, the original got a special
Bayonet catch.

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There can't be too much grease.....

by Frank from Germany

I think that flow around and is now a rots protection......... happy.gif

That is not a electric fuel pump, it's the Mercedes gas gauge sending unit with a pipe for the fuel line to the original fuel pump.
There is also a connection to a second fuel line if there is a return line needed.
Original the gas tank comes from a Diesel.

Have fun
Frank

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Looks like a real good fit.

by MW

Nice clean job on the adaptor plate too. Does the fuel filler tube line up well or how did you deal with that?

Posted on Jul 9, 2014, 2:13 PM
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Filler Neck

by Frank from Germany

Michael, I used a special hose that is ok for fuel, the diameter fits perfect to the original filler neck.

Have fun
Frank

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gas tank

by vern

I have three tanks. email vern@nvt.net

Posted on Jul 9, 2014, 1:17 AM
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Re: need gas tank

by Ted

I have two of them on the shelf ready to ship. Write me at studepickups at optonline.net.

Posted on Jul 9, 2014, 10:01 PM
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2R5 Gas Tank

by Greg

I have a tank from a 1/2 ton that needs a little repair. You could send it to "gastank renu" and be good to go.

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Coolant Check Valve?

by Thomas

Can anyone identify this part? I believe it is an engine coolant check value. It looks original (1955 E12 V8) Any ideas on a replacement?
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It's an electric water/block heater

by jack vines

My '55 E12 had one just like it. Anyone know if it was a factory option, dealer-installed or aftermarket.

IIRC, the heater valve had to be in the correct position for it to circulate the water.

jack vines

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Block heater

by Jim Stengl

We called them tank heaters. As far as I remember our's were aftermarket, all dealer installed , none came from the factory.

Jim

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Block Heater

by Thomas

Wow, very cool. I wonder if I should plug it in???? Thanks everyone for the help!

Posted on Jul 9, 2014, 3:37 PM
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I bought a

by John Weinrich

heater but have not installed it yet. It should connect to the block were you would drain the block and the other end to a "T" on the heater hose. It relies on convection to circulate. Just plug it in and hour before you drive and the engine will be all warm.

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Block heaters are basic where it gets cold

by Peter

especially Northern Canada. they were used to keep engine warm but to stop the water from freezing in the Rad, water lines such as heater, oil, antifreeze.
Peter

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I've got a brand new one on the shelf

by jack vines

My truck won't be driven in the winter, so if anyone is that brave, I'll make you a deal on one.

jack vines

Posted on Jul 9, 2014, 10:47 PM
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Jack Remember that in the 40's/ 50's no one drove anything but

by Peter

your truck/car in the winter especially if you lived way out in the boonies one had to go for Groceries or a beer now and again so it for sure was driven in the winter in those days. Only time I drove my Champ in the winter was when I knew there was no salt on the roads which where we live is pretty rare but I did use it as the truck was a workhorse for us.
Peter

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How I learned too much STP and Champion sixes were a bad thing

by jack vines

I learned about block heaters/tank heaters/oil pan heaters the hard way. As are they all, my Champion six had worn lifter bores, worn valve guides and from this low oil pressure and high oil consumption. As a teenage kid with no experience and less money, the recommended fix was STP. Some's good, so more's better. It did slightly lessen oil consumption and slightly increase oil pressure. However, first time the garage temperature dropped below freezing, that can-o-crap sludge was so thick, the engine wouldn't turn over.

I had to buy one of those wand-type dipstick heaters to warm the oil enough to start the engine and get it hot enough to drain the crappage.

Never used STP again. Since that time, anyone comes near my engine with that junk and I'd pick up a ball peen hammer to him.

So scarred by that experience, I've never owned another Champion-engine Stude.

jack vines

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On the road again

by studemaker

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Finally got the '59 Deluxe back on the road again. She had a water pump go out over a year ago, and with the passing of my mother, and the unexpected passing of my brother a couple of months later, and taking care of probates, she has been put away until a couple of days ago, when I finally got around to replacing it. The worn pump had been changed just a few years back when I did a refresh of the engine bay and engine, and it probably had less than 500 miles on it since then. Yet, the bearing was completely shot.
In replacing it, I noticed that the outside edges of the vanes of the pump had been dragging on the back of the manifold housing, and had considerable wear. I had used a new gasket when it was replaced, and it spun freely when installed, so am unsure why it would have not had sufficient spacing in the housing. Just a bad bearing, bad casting from that time? I thought of doubling the gaskets for a safety this time, but am afraid of loosing pump efficiency. What say ye...Studebaker Truck Sages, any ideas why it was dragging?

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draging

by Mark Thompson

I believe the water pump vane dragging was done after beaning failure.

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Re: On the road again

by Ted

From your description I would agree with Mark.

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Interesting......

by studemaker

If you believe the bearing was the root cause, any thoughts on why it would fail in less than 500 miles?
I had no leaks so would assume that the seals were still intact on the pump. I will tear it down today and take a closer look, but thought I would ask what you think.
Over tensioning on the belt, just a bad bearing, perhaps a known weak point on Studebaker V8's, or perhaps just poorly made parts?
Thanks for the input everyone, just trying to troubleshoot it, so I don't have to keep forking out the cash for new water pumps within such short mileage again.

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Re: Interesting......

by Ted

You may find more information when you take it down. If the pump sat on the shelf for 50 years the grease inside was likely dry and had little lubricant in it.
When purchasing a new pump go with the Avanti pump as they are supposed to have a heavy duty bearing.

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Untitled

by Ted

For those of us who are in the Northeast there is a large show in Southbury, Connecticut, on September 21 featuring Studebakers. This one is close enough for me that I am hard pressed to miss it. This is an invitation to all who are close to drive your cars or trucks to the show. If I can find enough drivers I will be taking 3 trucks. Hope you can make it too.

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Still looking for two stock 16" wheels for a 1952 2r5

by Eric

If anyone has any for sale it would be greatly appreciated!
Thank you!


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Re: Still looking for two stock 16" wheels for a 1952 2r5

by Steve Dotson

I have an earlier Stude wheel. It will bolt up, look and fit the same but the hubcap clips are different. I THINK the cap itself still fits. In Greenville, SC- how about $20 if it will help you. Steve

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Thanks

by Eric

I would like to keep it all original but if I can't find any I will contact you. Thank you very much for the offer tho!

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Winch PTO Design

by John Weinrich

Any one here design a PTO system for a front mounted winch? This is what I came up with. I'm an electrical engineer not a mechanical engineer but I have worked with them a good bit in the last 30+ years and have picked up some principles I believe. The PTO output shaft faces toward the back of the truck so I used sprockets and chain to reverse the direction. I think two pillow blocks are needed to provide stability and because the shaft projects rearward about a foot I added a strut to the frame rail. The PTO can be reversed so that the output shaft points forward but there is little room for a sprocket and the bell housing is in the way for the shaft or a U-joint.

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Re: Winch PTO Design

by JeffR

Did some surfin'...

http://www.cj3apage.com/index/My_1950/installing_a_pto_winch.htm

http://www.willystech.com/faqs/Breakout/OverdrivesPTOsWenches.html

http://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/installing-a-factory-pto-winch.130472/

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=280068



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Good stuff, thanks

by John Weinrich



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OK so who's the younger guy in the back??

by David Orth



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Mine was the same

by Zane

The PTO on my 1959 4x4 needed to actually switch sides of the truck to get the PTO driveshaft up to the winch without hitting any of the steering mechanism.

There was a driveshaft coming out of the pto on the drivers side going rearward to a welded in crossmember with 2 sprockets. Each sprocket had a pillow block bearing on each side of it and a roller chain going from the drivers side to the passenger side. Then there was another driveshaft going to the front of the truck to the winch.

I hope this makes sense. I don't know how to do the fancy animation!

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Yes, makes sense

by John Weinrich

There are basically two types of PTOs out there. One is like mine that attaches to the inspection plate (also called the PTO port) on the side of the transmission and the other either attaches to the transfer case or on the rear of the transmission. The later is the best as you can use and the gears of the transmission (including reverse ( happy.gif ) to drive the PTO. Many of the later versions come off the drivers side. Although mine is on the passenger side there is little room to connect the shaft directly to the PTO so that is why I'm using the sprockets/chain to offset the shaft.

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Have you thought of an electric winch?

by Lee W.

Lot less moving parts.

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MPH is 6 Volt... Also I have

by John Weinrich

always wanted a PTO winch. I had a Warn 8,000lb electric on my F250 4x4 years ago and it was great. I learned that it was wise to add a second battery isolated from the normal battery. That Warn winch was used mostly for recovery out here in the VA mud when I was a wild off-roader. This new winch will be used less for recovery and more for pulling logs and rock at our new place in OR.

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Dover STF Group Picture

by John Weinrich


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What a fine lookin' bunch........

by Jim Sinclair

of Farmers. Thanks for posting John! Jim

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Dover STF photo....

by Frank Drumheller

was supplied by Kevin and Martha Studebaker (the young couple kneeling, front row-he with the beige shirt, she in the red/white striped pull-over. Thanks to John Weinrich (standing behind Martha) for posting this photo. Thanks to Jim Sinclair for making it all happen (where's Jim?)

There's only 28 of the 39 who were at the dinner the evening before. Most of the absentees were prepping and moving their show cars to the field long before 9:00 AM.

There's also a story about the water wagon/street sprayer. I'll do that on another stream.

With help, maybe we can ID the entire group.

Frank

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First stab

by John Weinrich

Frank and all, I can update this so everybody can put faces to the names. Just post (or email me) a name to the number and I'll update the picture. jsweinrich at verizon dot net

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John, more names sent via email

by Jim Sinclair

Thanks. JS

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Thanks, just need 4 more

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John, I received a note...

by Frank Drumheller

that the #1 lady to the extreme left is Janice Barrick. Husband Bob is not in the photo and that's why I didn't recognize her.
Bob must probably was already at the show field. Hopefully that ID's everyone in the photo. Thanks, John, for your work. I wish I could make my computer do what you do with yours!!

Frank

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Names for the photo...

by Frank Drumheller

I may have the names mixed up here, but..
#5- Bob Coolidge

#16- Bert Coolidge

#18- Bill Coolidge

Sorry, I do not recognize #1.

I met Bob Coolidge, I think, at the last International Meet in South Bend. Really nice Studebaker Truck Farmer with a beautiful truck (1960 5E40). Bob is from Florida, Bert is from Tennessee and owns a 1964 Champ. Young Bill- I don't know!! It was a pleasure having the brothers with us at Dover.

Thanks, again, John, for all you do for the STF.

Frank

PS- John, how about reconsideration of your planned move to the other coast!! We feel you're more important for the right coast! F

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Could have had a V8 - those three sat at my table!!!

by John Weinrich



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Got them all!!

by John Weinrich



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The first name...

by Frank Drumheller

for Mrs. Tattersall is Brenda. Looks better in this case rather than Mrs. C. Tattersall. We do not have a first name for Mrs. Reist nor for the Reist's daughter. They did not attend the Wednesday Dinner and, therefore, we did not get their first names. Perhaps someone who hasn't chimed in yet may know.

A word about the Reist family. Art and Andrew did attend the dinner. They were introduced to the group by Jerry Kurtz. Art is the owner and restorer of the water wagon/street sprinkler behind the group. You have to see the quality of the restoration of this fantastic vehicle to understand why it had an honored place at the front door of the Dover Downs Hotel. Art gave us a lesson on restoring a vehicle as this as well as a historical background of manufacturing such a vehicle. He also described some of the special processes and techniques much different from restoring a car or truck. It is a quality vehicle.

This water wagon was built in the first decade of the 20th Century.

Thank you, Art and Andrew! We hope to see more of your work in years to come.

Frank

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Thanks to photographer........

by Jim Sinclair

Nancy Pfahler (husband Tom) for taking the picture. The Pfahler's own the beautiful red M5 that was at the Meet, JS

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m5

by brad

do m5 door seals go all way round doot mine are only 5 feet long?

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There are two pieces to

by John Weinrich

the seal. One piece goes around the front, top, and rear of the door. Another piece that is larger in girth transverses the bottom of the door.

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Interior rear view mirror for 1947 M 5 pickup

by Dick

I have a 1947 M 5 pickup that I am trying to complete and don't have an interior mirror.

Does anybody have one for sale OR know where I might find one??

Also, could anybody send me a photo a spare tire holder for under the truck bed, as mine doesn't have one and I'd like to buy one or have one made???

Thanks for any help.

Dick

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spare tire holder

by Steve Dotson

Need to see a pic and maybe measurements but I have 3 Stude truck spare tire holders. 1 is definately T-cab,no idea on the others. Steve

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mirror

by Jeff Jones (the Tucson one)

If you can't find an original, several of the late 40s/early 50s Chevy pickup mirrors will fit. They have been reproduced and are available at most any speed shop.

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Turn Sigs, Instrument Panel and Bumper Questions......

by Norman

I've got a couple of questions about my '57 3E6 and I'm sure someone out there has the answers~

1) The turn signal mounting holes in the top of my fenders are all wallowed out, and I'd like to drive her a while before I invest in all the body work and patching. If memory serves, some of the earlier models with the same grille had the sigs mounted inside the grille. Were the sigs the same, and does anybody see any issue (besides originality) with relocating mine to the grille?

2)When I removed the instrument panel to fix some problems, it had some type of crumbling gasket between the panel and the dash. Was the gasket there to isolate the dash for grounding issues, or just for looks/vibration? The gals at SI didn't have any idea what it was or where to get one.

3)Sometime in the last 50 years somebody T-boned something and bent in both front bumper mounts. Can somebody throw a tape on theirs and give me a center-to-center measurement so I can get them close?

Thanks!

Norm

P.S. Stupid question for the day. Why do the rear sig mounts hinge? I'm cleaning them up, but don't see the purpose.

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Turn signals

by Skip Lackie

The 57-58 3E series truck parking lamps were stand-alone, single white lens lamps mounted next to the directional signals on the tops of the front fenders. They did not blink with the signal lamps. The parking lamps of the 59-64 C-cabs were mounted on L-shaped brackets that were hung from the top inner surface of the grille. These could be wired to be directional signal lamps, too -- but most were smaller, single-lens lights (the later 8E series ones were larger, though still single lens). If equipped, the primary, two-sided signal lamps were mounted on the front fenders. The Scotsman models had a small parking/signal lamp mounted on the fenders below the headlamps.

The rear signal lamps were mounted sideways to the rear sides of the bed. Most of the beds I've seen had small dimples indicating where the holes were to be drilled, but many dealers installed them in a different place.

I think the gasket you are referring to is part number 652220. It fits between the cluster panel and the dashboard. I thought SI carried them.

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RE: Turn Sig, Instrument Panel Bumper Questions...

by Mark Thompson

Norm, I have an 3E6 also, but my is about half put together now.

Question 1. I due believe the light in the grill that were used in 59 are the same signal-stat 700 used in 57 and before too.

Question 2.Interments gasket on my truck was foam. I believe it is there for weather- proofing. back side of panel is open to the elements.

Question 3. Dimension should be center line of each frame rail. I havn't reinstalled the bumper yet. but that is where the mounting holes are on the frame.

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Re: Turn Sigs, Instrument Panel and Bumper Questions......

by studemaker

'59 turn signals are unique to that year, but are I believe, actually use the same bodies as the rear signal and light bodies. The difference is in the mounts. I believe the mounts could be reproduced with flat iron, but would perhaps have some flexibility without the ribbing that was stamped into the originals.

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The gaskets behind the instrument panels were made of an petroleum impregnated cardboard, and made to keep out the dust and moisture, I have also seen them listed in catalogs in the past, but you could probably reproduce one with some heavy, bulk gasket material, and have them seal adequately.

The center to center measurement of the bolt holes for the bumper bolts on the frame horns is 26 1/2 inches.

Rear signals were hinged to keep them from breakage if you backed into something. Because they were outside the box, but behind the fender in the drivers rearward view, this happened quite frequently! wink.gif

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Front Signal lights

by 6E40

That mounting set-up was used on the 1960 to 1964 E-13 and up models as well as the 1959 series. I think you are correct about the bodies as the gaskets listed for the front parklight/turn signal lenses and the tail light lenses are the same part number.

Doug

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You are correct

by studemaker

Was only thinking in the Doehler grilled pickups Doug. I tend to forget about the 5E and 6E trucks having the grille mounted signals with the amber lenses.

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Thanks for the responses, guys!

by Norman

Skip~

Thanks for the info on sigs, I didn't know they were model year '59 (like me) so I'll see if some pop up on egay. My rears seem to be in the stock locations after looking at members trucks, so I'm moving forward. I was at TSC today and found these for 5 bucks (6 with the plate light) and they'll work until I can find, blast, and powdercoat some of the originals.

I ran your P/n by SI, and it's a rubber gasket. for 15bux I think I'll try to make one.....

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Mark~

Thanks for the "gasket" info, I've got some sheets of butyl rubber so I'll try to make one. SI gets 15 bucks for rubber, I figure making one is worth the time wasted...(-; See below for additional question...

Studemaker~

A pic is worth a thousand words! My 57 has the same 4 mounting holes, so I'll take some sheet stock and make something up. I'll also try the butyl rubber sheeting for the gasket.

I'd say C-C I'm off a bit, but nothing that my friend can't straighten on his frame jig. Looks like the front member got tweaked also, but 50 year old rigs have a hidden history....

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As far as the hinges, I'm sure I'll try those out (involuntarily) once or twice...(;

Mark,

Tonight I installed new glass and seals on the passenger side, but I'm having rubbing issues. Is your truck near by? I used what I thought was the correct divider strip, but I'm running into clearance issues. Can you tall me if your '57 has smooth inner side dividers? I don't want to rip everything apart, but I'm willing to make it right.

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PS I'll make a post about replacing side windows (seals, whiskers, etc.) with pics when I do the drivers side.

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Re: Turn Sigs, Instrument Panel and Bumper Questions......

by Junkyarddog

I have a 57 for a parts truck,

#1 The signals were on the front fenders mine are "factory" cast and are chrome and are blanked out on the back.

#2 Never found this to be an issue, it's probably there from the factory to seal it from any dirt or water coming though. My 58 probably has it cause its never been apart, but most I've ever taken apart or seen didn't have anything they were metal to metal.

#3 The stock front bumper is bolted straight onto the frame rails and has no brackets, just measure your frame rails. the bumpers on the 57 are straight and not curved like the earlier R series are.

From around 54 on up even on the Champs with the narrow bed with fenders most all have the hinged tail light brackets my 57, 58 and 62 all have them. I guess it was their idea in helping prevent bush from hitting them and braking the lights off . Remember these were work trucks back in the day and used a lot off road.



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Dover report...

by Frank Drumheller

Well, I think I have returned to earth since our visit to Dover. No complaints except for the heat!! I stayed inside most of the time, but did venture out Thursday AM to visit the truck and Lark classes on the Show Field. Several beautiful vehicles in each class.

The truck that excited me most was George Hamlin's 1949 newspaper delivery van. George has done a wonderful restoration on this most unusual truck- it's sort of the milk truck type- a Boyer sliding door version. This truck sat in a creek for some time before George stumbled upon it some years ago. It was a mess, but you'd not know it now. I hope he won a 1st place. It was a TW cover truck several years ago.

It was great to see so many Studebaker friends at Dover, especially all the truck fans.

The STF dinner went smoothly, I think, on Wednesday evening. We had 39 Studebaker nuts and wives in attendance. Everyone seemed to enjoy the evening and the food was great. A buffet and what a variety!!

We did conduct a business session. After the welcome, introductions, grace and several runs to the buffet, we settled down to business-

> I read the letter from the National Museum thanking us for our continued adoption of the '63 Prototype truck at the Museum. We paid $250 to begin another year through July 1, 2015 for the adoption. The museum included 10 free tickets for the coming year and at least six were distributed. Several are left if anyone is interested.
> I gave a financial report- we had $359.83 in the kitty after paying for the next year's adoption. I passed my straw hat and danged if it didn't come back filled to the brim- $231. We now have $590.83 in the kitty- enough to continue the adoption for at least 2 years. I believe the group is always open to other small projects agreed upon by the membership.
> We announced that the STF would meet to have a group photo session at 9:00 AM in front of the water wagon parked out front. Check out John Weinrich's daily reports above for preliminary photos. Hoping actual photos of the group will show up shortly.
> We were introduced to Art Reist and his son, Andrew. Art told us of his efforts and skills necessary to restore the Water Wagon displayed at the entrance to the Dover Downs Hotel and Casino. His presentation was most interesting and his work even more so!
> We had new members Kevin and Martha Studebaker introduced to the group. They own a 1949? 1 1/2 ton farm truck that Kevin is readying for the road. They have an unusual story to tell of their backgrounds which I will not try to replicate here. We'll get them to post their story for the extended group.
> During open floor, we had a item to discuss that concerned the arrangements for the next dinner for those attending the York meet next March.
> We passed my straw hat again and had everyone put in their numbered meal ticket for a prize drawing. A youngster in the group pulled out #4 ticket. The holder of the ticket was Skip Lackie's wife, Peggy. She won a large framed showroom illustration from the 1949 series of showroom hangings of the 1949 2R17 stake truck in yellow. Skip laid claim to it for his garage art. Congratulations to Peggy.
> We ended the evening with Show & Tell. Bob Barrick showed his 1949 Salesman's desk flip chart for the group. In unbelievable nice condition, it certainly is a desirable collectable. I remember seeing one years ago and it was in fairly worn condition. This one is NICE. Thank you, Bob, for bringing it down from Canada and making these State-siders jealous. Frank had a display of all of his 1957-58 3E series showroom brochures, ads and salesman's data books.

We ended the meeting with Show & Tell in time to get some shut-eye before the 9:00 AM photo-taking exercise!!

Special THANKS to Jane Ash for making the arrangements for the meal and for bargaining our meal price down to $22.20. What a trouper! I'd like to have her bargain for me at the Pearly Gates!

Also, many, many THANKS to Dean Elstad and Sandy Bergeron for manning the ticket table. What a job they did under the pressure of so many handing them $$ so they could eat. And it all came out to the dollar after handling 39 hungry people in about 15 minutes. Thank God for Volunteers. And these three volunteered, they didn't have to be asked!!

We're looking forward to a repeat at St. Louis next year! Any volunteers?

Best wishes, Frank

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Thanks for the report Frank.....

by Jim Sinclair

now if I just knew how to post the photo sad.gif Jim

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TightSteer

by John Weinrich

Anyone ever use this:

http://www.siminoffjeeparts.com/TightSteer.html

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damper

by vern

never seen one, looks like it would work, any thing would be an improvement on what they have.

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Gary Hansen's Unique EUV

by David Orth

Stopped by the Renton (WA) Classic Car Show today. Came across the only Studebaker in the show. Turns out it was local club member Gary Hansen's unique 1950 Studebaker 2R5 EUV...Electric Utility Vehicle. The beautifully finished and painted truck is powered by a beefy high torque motor out of a fork lift and runs on a bank of special lithium batteries located in the bed just behind the cab. While visiting with Gary I was amazed at the large groups of people hanging around who soaked up all the technical information Gary cold dispense. He was a busy guy today. Sadly the photo of the engine....er.... motor was to dark to post.


http://s108.photobucket.com/user/48m5/slideshow/Gary%20Hansen%20Electric%202R5

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Electric Utility Vehicle

by Bob Cruse

I also attended the Renton , Wa. car show , and here are a few more photos . I hope this works , there should be 10 pictures . ...........Bob Cruse






http://s1258.photobucket.com/user/my4e40/slideshow/?sort=3



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When I discussed this battery power

by Peter

in Tacoma a few years back at the Can Am Zone meet I asked how far on a charge, he said tops 60miles but feels better at 50 to 55 miles leaving him some kind of allowance.
Peter

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The workmanship is exemplary...

by Lee W.

....really an example of thinking outside the box.

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Progress on farm re-fresh M47A

by Don s.

I've had this about 8 months, I'm doing what I call a body on refresh job.
Farm Fresh.
Been doing lots of stuff...but....what made me laugh out loud today is....
The horns work! I didn't expect this!
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Nice!!

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Last Picture

by Mike

Tell us about the last picture...is that something you made? Doesn't seem like a vintage '47 air cleaner design.

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Air cleaner...

by Don s.

Purchased on eBay. Wanted a vintage looking air cleaner. Couldn't find a Studebaker one at the time.
Painted this the engine color, and had a decal made.
Fits nice.


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It does look vintage...

by Mike

...and will probably be a nice alternative to the oil bath variety.

Reminds me of when I was a teen...a friend of mine had an old car with an oil bath air cleaner on their farm. They had cut the back end off and mounted a sprayer. After they quit using it as a sprayer, the tank was taken off and we dubed it the "staff car". We used to run up and down the fields with it and if we went too fast across the rows the oil would splash over into the carbureator and kill the engine. Not having a working starter, we would have to walk back and get a vehicle to pull start it with. Fond memories. I hadn't thought about that in years!

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re:M47A ???

by Al Freese

Maybe I'm dense but can someone tell me what a M47A is? I've never heard of that model before. Is that a over-the-road tractor or something?

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m47a is a mistake....M15a....sry.

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Looking good, where did you get the tires?

by Lee W.



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Tires...

by Don s.

Came from Coker.

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Sweet !

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bench seats

by Phil

Has anyone modified a 49 2R Series set of bench seats to fit an M Series cab. I bought a very nice set of upholstered seats, back and bench. The measurements that I got made sense but I find now that I have the seats and can fit them the back seems to fit perfectly and the bench fits in the rear but is too wide at the front and touches the doors when they close. Makes sense because the M cab narrows to the front while the R cab is more square. My old springs are badly rusted and mishapen so I can't get a good measurement on the top of the bench which seems to be the narrowest. I'm inclined to try to modify the springs I bought, recut the fabric and redo the seats, any ideas, has any one done this before?

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bench seats

by bill

Phil,
I'm sorry to hear that the bottom doesn't fit! after all that! call me and we can figure something out. Your truck is to nice to start doing a back yard job on the seat.

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2R5 Box Value

by Mike

I stumbled across a box for a 2R5. Seems to be pretty good with some dings, but not too much rust. I don't need a box, but wondered if it was worth buying in order to resell to provide some funding for the parts I do need.

Is there a market for decent boxes? If so, what kind of value? I realize this is all subjective without pictures, but I don't have any right now. Tyring to determine if it's worth the effort before going in. Not trying to get rich or fleece anyone, just pick up a little extra Studebaker cash.



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Re: 2R5 Box Value

by Randy

It depends...
Yes they are worth something. The problem is the guy who needs it probably isn't going to be that close to you, and then how do you get it to him.
Is it just a bed, or is it a trailer? Things like tailgate, fenders, and if it has rare items like a original rear bumper and spare tire carrier under it could be worth more than the bed its self.

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Re: 2R5 Box Value

by Skip Lackie

They certainly are worth a few hundred dollars, and a really nice one (if there is such a thing) could be worth %1000. With the fenders removed, they're small enough to fit inside a modern pickup, so they're not difficult to transport. The parts to repair one from Classic cost more that $1000. As noted, the fenders and tail gate can be the most valuable parts.

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Head question

by Randy Belgum

Blew my head gasket yesterday in my M, Champion engine, I will use a sealer when replacing the gasket. What is the tolerance on the head when checked with a straight edge? trying to figure if i need to machine the head.

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I don't know the

by John Weinrich

tolerance but I would think 0.005" to be the max.

When I had my engine rebuilt the rebuilder said he didn't use a sealer. He said he thought the gasket sealer was already on the gasket. The leak was between the number one and number two cylinder where there is a water passage. This is where the sealing surfaces is thinnest. So when I fixed it I used the Permarex copper spray. That was a year or more ago and it sealed well. I do seem to have a small leak now. Driving to Dover and back (260+ miles) my recovery tank has dropped about 3" so the leak might be back, not sure because it was very hot out. Engine runs and idles very smooth so if the leak is between the head and the block it must be small. Cannot find a leak anywhere else.

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Multiple Retorquing Needed

by Phil Birkeland

Some time ago the head gasket on my 1950 2R10 Champion engine let go, interestingly while sitting in my garage. About 3 qt of coolant leaked into the crankcase. The dipstick showed pure coolant lying on top of the oil. No white emulsion there or inside the tappet chamber. The head bolts were barely finger tight, which explained the leak. The gasket, from SI, had about 1,000 miles on it. Headbolts had been torqued to 50 ft lb at gasket original installation, 50 ft lb the day after, and 50 ft lb at 250 mi. On removing the head, both head and block checked out for flatness, so that was ok. Chased threads in block and on bolts. Reinstalled a new SI gasket, with sealer this time. Retorqued overnight. Then after flushing the engine with 6 qt new oil, installed a new oil filter and another oil change. Retorqued again after 100 mi, then after 2 weeks rest (bolts still took up about 1/6 turn or one flat), then after another 2 weeks rest. Bolts returned to pretorque rotation, indicating the gasket was no longer compressing. No problem since.

I torque using old aircraft practice - one bolt at a time in the factory sequence. Note bolt head flat orientation, then unscrew 1/2 flat to release thread friction, then smoothly retorque without stopping up to specified torque (so torque is measured under sliding, not static friction). If the bolt rotation returns to previous, no gasket compression has occurred since the last retorquing. If the rotation goes beyond the previous, then additional compression has occurred, and at least another retorquing will be needed.

The SI manifold gasket behaved similarly to the head gasket. Overnight retorquing was not sufficient to fully compress the gasket. The SI gaskets appear to be higher quality than gaskets from our local antique car parts store, but do seem to need more retorquings to fully compress.

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What your suggesting would seem to me to point to a gasket made of inferior material.....

by Bo

The best quality gaskets are made of a very dense composition material and require less re-torquing to obtain correct torque values. Fel-pro is about the best remaining supplier and the only one I stock any more. Quite a bit of this after market stuff just isn't worth a darn, especially the "Best Gasket" products. Very course and prone to premature failure.

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I am also not

by John Weinrich

thrilled with Best Gasket. I have replaced the rear main seal several times and it still leaks some. I contacted Best Gaskets and they would not give me the time of day.... I was hoping that they would work with me to determine the exact problem. I suspect that they are making the seal a bit small so it does not seal well on the block interface.

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Good advice, All

by Lee W.

If you have any doubts about flatness of the head, it would be easy for a machine shop to surface it and it shouldn't cost that much. An "old school" trick I use is to spray the gasket with aluminum spray paint as a sealer. Give it two coats and let it dry before installing the gasket. I do this on head and manifold gaskets.

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Thanks

by Randy Belgum

for tha advice, Mines is also leaking between # 1&2 cylinders

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Remember

by Keith Mifflin

There are 2 surfaces that need to be understood. The block and the head. Way too many people don't think about the block because they feel it would be stable but not so. If you have the head off check both so you know what your dealing with. I'd still try and get the head as flat as possible and use a sealer on the head gasket. If the head is real flat it will make up for some small differences in the block.

Keith

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Re: Head question

by Ted

Randy; I may be answering a little late but just returned from vacation.
If your head and deck are flat you will need no sealer. Look at where the gasket blew. That should tell you where to look for the problem. The manual says if there is warpage more than .015 the head should be replaced. Less than .015 it can be resurfaced.

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Re: Head question

by Ted

forgot to add that as has been stated several (at least three) uses of the torque wrench, two while hot. I too am a trained and licensed aircraft mechanic and understand the torque on an aircraft engine, but there one is working with mostly aluminum, It is a good practice but have not seen the need in these old cast iron engines.

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Dover

by vern

made it home today at 3 pm . 22 hrs on the road was enough, had a great time, bought a few parts and sold less. story of my life. could not make the dinner. wish I could have met more of the members. maybe Saint Louis

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Is the next International Studebaker show in ST. Louis

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ST. Louis meet

by Dieseless Jim

Yes.

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Dates...

by Frank Drumheller

please! Frank

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Re: Dates...

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http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com/sdcmeet.asp

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Thanks, Lee W.--

by Frank Drumheller

for posting those annual locations.

Does anyone have the week and days for the International in St. Louis next year. Thanks for helping an old man plan next years activities!! Frank

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Sunday Aug. 16th........

by Jim Sinclair

thru Sat Aug.22nd Frank.

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Nice!

by Lee W.

Probably the coolest time of the year. happy.gif

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for vern

by Jim Neary

Vern, Do you have 2 door for a 48 M-5. My email is Handlerjpn@aol.com. I already got the cab piece from you awhile back.

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Dover Day Five

by John Weinrich


http://studem15a-20.blogspot.com/2014/07/dover-day-five.html


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Thanks for posting your pics John.

by Jim Sinclair

Nice meeting you,happy.gif sorry I missed meeting Vern sad.gif Jim

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Was weather a factor in the activities?

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Not sure but I suspect itwas, I was not

by John Weinrich

interested in the picnic at the state park because it rained the night before and everything would be wet...

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my picture

by vern

John done a lot of work to that picture to make me look good, does that info give you any Idea what I really look like?

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It took a while but I

by John Weinrich

able to photoshop out that speedo!!

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thank god on the speedo delete

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LOL

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Dulany Harms???

by Jeff

Trying to email Dulany with no luck

Sent a radio to him last Friday that was delivered Monday but did not hear back??

Hope all is Fine

rgds Jeff
Kitchener Ontario

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Message

by Dulany

Jeff, sent e-mail. Thanks again.

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Heard back from Dulany

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Please send best wishes to Dulany's son who had a mishap this week working.

Get better soon.

Glad the radio arrived

Jeff

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Power steering for my 6E5 Champ?

by MW

Well, after driving my new Champ for a couple weeks now and shaking a few bugs out, it seems like power steering might be a good call at some point down the road. I keep the truck in my garage which unfortunately requires some serious arm wrenching 4-5 point turns to get it in and out every time, not fun really. The truck steers quit well when moving, but is very difficult when not.

I am going to change the radial tires to bias pretty soon and that might help. But it is looking like having power steering is more and more appealing.

Ted, I think you put power steering in your 3/4 ton Champ if I recall correctly. Any advice and what you did, parts used, photos to share and all that? I think you used a GM steering gear of some sort and I'm guessing the power pump as well. You have the diesel but I'm sticking with the Stude V8. Maybe a Stude pump and even a Stude steering gear unit? Did Studebaker have any factory units that would be a bolt on or mostly bolt on kind of deal I could try to track down. Anything I might be able to get off a Lark or a Hawk?

I'd be hoping to avoid having to pull the front sheet metal off to do this, but not sure about the details with the steering shaft, new connections and all that. Might be a lot easier to pull the front end off to access it all a bit better.

Not sure I want to do it anytime real soon. But, figured maybe I'll be on the look out for the parts needed and then when I have them all and the time to do it can tackle it down the road.

Any advice or parts anyone might have would be appreciated.

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PS means if U don't have it to remember to keep the wheels

by Peter

moving a little then it is much easier at slow speeds.
MW I do not have that particular steering wheel your looking for, next I will look for the Champ Hubcaps. Dr's putting me on all kinds of new meds etc. and they are causing some mega problems and then I got a new type of Drug today that supposedly lessens my Insulin intake so well see where that leads to, but side affects are nausea for 10 or so days.
Does not pay for some to get old and I think I fall into that bracket.
But the skies are blue this week then rain on weekend then heat is back.
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Yes, is ok if moving, but not enough room at my garage to move much

by MW

It is a very tight fit and I have to do a 3-4-5 point turns to get in and out. The more I can turn it without moving, the less # of back and forth of course. So, turning while moving just adds to the # of times I have to go back and forth. Not easy getting in/out of tight parking spaces away from home either of course.

I'm hoping the bias will help a little. I'll live with it for a while regardless, but probably would still be way nicer if I could put power steering on without unreasonable effort and cost.

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Re: Yes, is ok if moving, but not enough room at my garage to move much

by Ted

Mike: I think you have my e address, send me your USPS address and I will copy the pictures of the two units I installed. Both units were from Mercedes cars. Chosen because I had the cars to scrap.
Studebaker did offer a type of power steering which was more of a power assist. The car units will not fit the trucks. The truck units fit the pitman arm on the end of the valve and the car units fit the arm on the opposite end of the valve. The car units will hit the spring or frame when installed and only give a partial turn to the right.
I have seen pictures of others who have installed GM units in their trucks. Usually when these changes are made the steering column also needs to be changed or modified.

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Thanks Ted, yes I have your e-mail, will send you a note.

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P/S Install

by Dave Owens

Check out Bob Johnstones Studebaker web site/resource page....it's huge & it has some some good info for you. Cheers

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Dover Day 4

by John Weinrich


http://studem15a-20.blogspot.com/2014/07/dover-day-four.html


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The black 4x4 used to being to Ed Ellis of Maryland

by George o

Someone from New Jersey bought it. It was really nice last I saw it!!

Take care

George o

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Still is. The truck

by John Weinrich

is awesome in every detail. Never saw such a great paint job like glass on a truck. The judges had a smile on their faces the entire time they were judging it. I think the only gig he got was the headliner, They claimed it was not original.

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C-Cab interior trim

by Joe Diggle

My truck has the curved aluminum interior trim pieces around the top of the
door openings; is there also supposed to be vertical trim pieces on the side?

thanks,

Joe Diggle


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Re:C-Cab interior trim

by RickK

Yes, there should be a vertical strip that fastens on the front edge of the door opening and runs from about the bottom of the window down to the floor. At least in a 2R cab anyway. Same material as the strip that goes over the door.


Register your 2R truck at http://www.2rtruck.need-a-geek.com/ It's free!
Register your M truck at http://mtrucks.need-a-geek.com/ It's free!

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Here's some

by Jim Wood

http://www.ebay.com/itm/49-50-51-52-53-Studebaker-Pickup-Truck-Inside-Cab-Windlace-Retainer-Set-Good-Use-/161346009741?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2590f8ba8d&vxp=mtr

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Trim

by Joe Diggle

Thank you!

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Dover Day Three

by John Weinrich


http://studem15a-20.blogspot.com/2014/07/dover-day-3.html

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Great photos, John!

by Brian Dahl

The fun continues! happy.gif

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OG and Scotty going?

by Lee W.



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Re: OG and Scotty going?

by Brian Dahl

Lee, thanks for asking! I wish I were there to participate in the fun and games, but, unfortunately I was unable to attend. sad.gif. Looking toward RI in a couple years though! happy.gif
Brian

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Nope

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STF Attendee photo on Thursday morning 9 am by water wagon in front of the hotel entrance

by Dean

39 attendees for the STF gathering. Last I heard anyone wanting to be in the photo should be outside the Dover Downs hotel by the Studebaker water wagon at 9 a.m.

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Who will be

by John Weinrich

distributing the photo?

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Frank D. do you have an email address for the Studebakers?

by Jim Sinclair

I had it, but can't locate it right now. The picture is on Martha's camera. Maybe she can email it to someone who can post it? Jim

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Jim, I'm ...

by Frank Drumheller

sorry, but I do not have an email address for the Studebakers. I don't even have their mailing address. Just one of those things that got lost in all of Wednesday's rush. Frank

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Peter sent this to me. Wanted me to post it here....

by David Orth



...seems to be pretty straight and..... it has a Mercury space capsule in the back......

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/4540996494.html

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i want the capsule!

by don s



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John Weinrich you better go get it!

by Zane

That is from the same neighborhood as MPH. They are probably brothers!

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Coil and throttle link bracket

by Mark Thompson

On 245 6 Cyl. I was reinstalling my coil Bracket on head Bolt right above Distributor. Are there suppose to be washers under the bracket? Mine will bind on side of block, block is wider than head.

This is on 3E-6 .

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Does anyone have a 245 eng to look at bracket?

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Coil bracket

by Dieseless Jim

I think we, as in my son, have a couple here in South Bend. When are you and the misses going to stop by? It has been a while.

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Been Busy Jim

by Mark Thompson

Don't need a bracket, just wanted to know of there are washers under the head bolt there. Changing company's again. going to go work for Covenant Transportation. Out of Chattanooga TN. Starting on Monday the 7 July.

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Bracket

by Dieseless Jim

I will look tomorrow.

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RE: Bracket

by Dieseless Jim

Can't help. The head is off.

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Re: Coil and throttle link bracket

by Ted

Mark: there are no washers OEM

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Coil and throttle link bracket

by Mark Thompson

Thanks Ted, thats what I thought, but there was such a large gap i wasnt sure.


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Dover Day Two

by John Weinrich


http://studem15a-20.blogspot.com/2014/07/dover-meet-day-two.html


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Vern's photo

by David Orth



....Ya know... I always kinda thought Vern was a lot older than that..... :<)

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Photo

by Brian Dahl

Me too, but Vern is just a young wipper snapper! :/). A heck of a nice guy though. Wished I could have met him in person. Great photos John! You're kind of filling in the blanks for those of us that couldn't make Dover. Well appreciated. happy.gif

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Re: Vern's photo

by Ted

David sometimes the pictures do lie.

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Re: Dover Day Two

by Bob W

Great pictures!

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Re: Dover Day Two

by Thomas

Great Pictures John. Did you happen to notice any six-lug wheels for sale at the swap meet?

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Had not any wheels for sale but

by John Weinrich

I'll be sure to look tomorrow.

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Thanks so much John!

by Thomas



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Thanks for the pics guys , wish i was there!

by Fred



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Thanks for sharing!

by MW

Wish I was there as well. I appreciate the posting of the photos for us who couldn't make it.

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Pictures

by Lenny

Thanks for sharing

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Re: Dover Day Two

by Eric Branch

Great pictures, wish we could be there!

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Dover Day Two,...

by Frank Drumheller

I would like to comment on John's Photo #52. Gerald & I arrived about mid-day on Tuesday and spent most of the afternoon meeting Studebaker friends and with Jane Ash. Jane and I had a meeting with the Director of Food Services to work out final details for Wednesday's STF Dinner.

Anyway, before that meeting took place, I had sneaked a seat at the Dover Downs Raceway table to rest my legs. Suddenly this tall fellow with a graying beard rushed up to me, pointed his bony finger at me and said, "I know you, you're Frank Drumheller, I was in your Government class 50 years ago!!"

Well, I was blown out of my seat. He said, "I'm Bob White". His older brother, Theron, is a member of our Greater Virginia Chapter and he had told Bob, who was visiting from North Carolina, that I would be attending the Dover International. So it was a set up, but, he really got me! 50 YEARS? I would not have known him Tuesday if I had passed him on the street.

The last time I saw Bob was at his graduation in May, 1964. Then he had the audacity to tell me I was his inspiration in becoming a teacher himself, at the college level. Now, I've had my share of compliments over the years, but this guy brought tears to my eyes. What a welcome to Dover. We had close to an hour to bring each other up-to-date about the last 50 years as well as I received an invitation to the Wilson Memorial High School Class of 1964's 50th Reunion in August.

What a way to start the 50th Anniversary of the first Studebaker Drivers Club International Meet! As Gomer would say, "GOL-lee!"

Frank

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front brakes

by kent

i am looking to put front brakes on a 55 studebaker truck spindles there is nothing on it just spindles does anyone know what i can do for brakes disc or drum e mail kentgary62@yahoo.com

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Front brake option

by Lee W.

I'm assuming that you have nothing, just a spindle. If that's the case, then rather than trying to locate backing plates, drums, hardware, etc. you may want to go with a disc brake conversion.
I did the Turner economy kit on my '55 and sourced everything else from O'Reilly's auto parts. Everything went together without a hitch, just follow the instructions.

http://www.turnerbrake.com/truckkits.html

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Re: Front brake option

by Thomas

I like this option for front brakes but what do you do with the rear six-lug drums. Wheels will be miss matched (5-lug on front and 6-lug on rear). Its there a way to convert rear drums? My 3/4 ton '55 has massive rear drum brakes.

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Don't know of an option for 3/4 ton trucks.

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Re: Don't know of an option for 3/4 ton trucks.

by Doug

I spoke to Turner last yr and I believe he was working on a conversion for the 3/4 ton trucks.

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Re: Front brake option

by Ted

Check E bay. there is a set, left and right brake setup for 3/4 ton Stude there. I will try find it and send you the link.

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The original brakes work well and someone here will have them.

by jack vines

Put out a WTB and someone will have the complete setup. I've been driving on them for forty years.

jack vines

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discuss this with Ted jensen

by Peter

he once sent me something for 3/4 ton trucks I think it was a dodge set up?
peter

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Ok Thanks, I'll Check

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Re: front brakes

by Ted

Front brakes. should you want to discuss this write me at studepickups @ optonline.net

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Re: front brakes

by Ted

Just went through E-bay and the backing plates with hardware do not seem to be listed still. Perhaps the seller will relist. If so I will post here.
A note. Jim Turner is working on making brackets and identifying the hardware to place disk brakes on both the older and the newer 3/4 ton trucks. Don't know for sure when they will be ready so stay tuned.

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Re:Re: front brakes

by Dieseless Jim

I have a front brakes. 6 lug hubs, backing plates, core shoes, used hardware.studediesel@attdotnet. I'm in South Bend, In.

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Brakes M15 - Lockup when hot

by Jeff Payne

What could cause the brakes to start to lockup just when it's hot?

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Look for a leaking wheel cylinder

by Lee W.

I don't know if heat has anything to do with it, but a cylinder leaking fluid onto the drum can cause the shoes to "stick" to the drum, effectively causing them to lock up.

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Re: Brakes M15 - Lockup when hot

by Steve Dotson

A dragging brake from a sticky master or wheel cylinder will cause the brakes to build heat and thus pressure as the fluid expands. I have this happen on several vehicles. Sometimes its as easy as fresh fluid to correct the issue though one needs to take a peek everywhere in the system before putting the car back into service. Steve

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Re: Brakes M15 - Lockup when hot

by Doug

My truck is not exactly locking up but it is similar to what Steve describes. I rewired the vehicle and put in the repaired fuel tank a couple of weeks ago. The boy and I took it for a drive and did some hot laps in a school parking lot. OK, they weren't hot laps, we were trying to learn how to shift the unsynchronized tranny. By the end of the test drive, the brake pedal was getting very firm to the point that I could not press it in much. The braking was very poor. Put it up on the rack when we got home and the boy noticed the right rear drum was smoking. IR gun showed it to be 325 - 345 degrees. I guess those shoes were dragging and heated up the brake fluid.

The other thought I had is maybe the Hill-Holder is not releasing. When I got the vehicle I had to rebuild the Master Cylinder and replace some brake lines. I tried to clean the Hill Holder but did not disassemble it. I bled the system by have not taken a look at all the drums and shoes. The right rear drum may be a little scorched now.
Doug

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Couldn't call this a roller exactly but it is a 1939 big truck... sorta...

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http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/pts/4546855969.html

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Looks like a half-ton but where the other half is I don't know

by Rob

Sorry
Couldn't resist
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Thass an UGLY baby!

by jack vines

Worse has been restored/rodded; just not with my money.

jack vines

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I think the other half

by Doug

went to the war effort.
Some people strive to recreate that kind of patina on vehicles.

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What's the history of Commercial Iron Works ?

by Lee W.

That hood script would look neat hanging on a wall.

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Answered my own question.

by Lee W.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_Iron_Works

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well...

by Gord Richmond

If somebody wanted a K-series truck real bad, you could buy this cab, and hang it on an M or 2R series chassis, and fool everybody but the experts.

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Dover Meet, Day One

by John Weinrich


http://studem15a-20.blogspot.com/2014/06/dover-meet-moday-june-30.html

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More Pictures

by John Weinrich


http://studem15a-20.blogspot.com/2014/06/dover-more-pictures.html


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Thanks John

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Re: More Pictures

by Jim Mackey

Thank you John.

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Studebaker Int'l - Dover Swap Meet

by Thomas

I'm unable to attend the Studebaker International Meet this week. Anyone there notice six-lug 16 X 5.5 Lock Ring Wheels for sale? I'm trying to replace my 1955 E12 3/4 ton truck rims. If so, please let me know...Thanks! Trudzewick@gmail.com

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1951 P/U bed

by Ray Stewart

I have a 1951 2R5 (actually a mixture of parts) and the bed exterior sides are about 70% bondo. The metal below is rusted through in places. This 79" overall bed has about 3-4" tubs on both sides (I have seen pictures od this before) and upon measuring find that the inside rear wheel to rear wheel is 52"...just about the same as the width of the standard bed. The tag on the rearend is W 44/9. The only thing I can figure it that the rear end was changed and the bed tubbed to fit the rearend. Does this seem correct? I would love to find a good bed at a fair price near KY...just hoping. I could tub it if needed. The wheels seem correct (and take the cap clips). Any idea what I am working with here? As always, Thank You for your help.
Ray Stewart

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My guess

by Norm

I have a 50 2R5. The tires almost rubbed the bed when I bought it. It had a Dana 44 from a Lark put in by a previous owner. I don't know how to decode your tag but you must not have the stock pickup differential. The pickups had 5 on 5 wheel bolt pattern. The Lark Dana 44 is 5 on 4.5 pattern. This would be one clue. I installed 2" spacer adapters on the rear. This moved the wheels out to where they fit and look nice in the fenders. My wheels are zero offset. I didn't want to buy offset wheels to solve the problem. Regular wheels are in too far if they need the bed tubbed. The truck should look funny with the wheels that far inside the fenders. Of course if you have big wide racing slicks you might need to do that.

Hopefully someone who can decode your W44/9 tag will chime in. You might try a search for information on the SDC Tech Talk forum.

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Tag

by Bish

I believe the tag is your gear ratio: 4.89. Photos might help us determine the bed issue.

Bish

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Perhaps a change to the later bed in its past

by studemaker

My truck is a mix of different year parts, put together to recreate a '59 Deluxe service truck that was too far gone to restore.
The bed that was used, was a wide bed, ('57) that had to be tubbed to fit the early '56 Timken 3/4 ton axles and frame that was used. Sounds like yours might have been done similarly. The earlier c-cab beds were narrower, as were the rear axles. Hope you are able to find a better one close to you.
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recent CL finds from Peter Sauer

by MW

He asked me to post them for you guys so here they are.

'66 Wagonaire: http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/cto/4540152057.html

'64 Champ: http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/4543515018.html

Pretty nice looking '47 M-5: http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/4540845199.html

Very nice '49 2R15 pick up: http://mohave.craigslist.org/cto/4488958673.html
Rick(?), isn't this your truck? Trying to slip this super nice truck by us without telling us first? happy.gif

Posted on Jun 29, 2014, 12:27 PM
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It's mine

by RickK

Yep, that's my 2R15 Peter. I bought a 2006 Yamaha Rhino, a trailer for it and a 1996 Ford F150XLT to pull it with this spring so I didn't need the '85 Bronco II (my four wheeling truck, already sold) and the F150 will take over the hauling duties from the Stude. The 2R15 comes with an extra running engine, T9, etc. If anybody on the forum wants it, I can do better on that price. I don't really want to sell it but the wife says we could use the money. And you know how that goes.

I can be contacted at threers at frontiernet dot net

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Sorry to hear, but best of luck with it.

by MW

I am not in the market for one myself, but it should be a real nice truck for somebody.

Posted on Jun 30, 2014, 8:52 PM
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Truck rear window

by Joe Diggle

Did the C-cabs (mine is a 1950 2R6a) ever come with inside molding around the rear window? or just just the rubber? wondering how
the headliner is supposed to be tucked in.

thanks,

Joe Diggle


Posted on Jun 29, 2014, 8:02 AM
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Just the rubber gasket

by MW

athe headliner tucks under the lip. No other trim ever that I know of for C-cabs. T-cabs have trim, but not C-cabs.

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Re: Just the rubber gasket

by Joe Diggle

Thanks very much; what I thought.

Joe D.


Posted on Jun 29, 2014, 10:43 AM
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