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Turn Sigs, Instrument Panel and Bumper Questions......

by Norman

I've got a couple of questions about my '57 3E6 and I'm sure someone out there has the answers~

1) The turn signal mounting holes in the top of my fenders are all wallowed out, and I'd like to drive her a while before I invest in all the body work and patching. If memory serves, some of the earlier models with the same grille had the sigs mounted inside the grille. Were the sigs the same, and does anybody see any issue (besides originality) with relocating mine to the grille?

2)When I removed the instrument panel to fix some problems, it had some type of crumbling gasket between the panel and the dash. Was the gasket there to isolate the dash for grounding issues, or just for looks/vibration? The gals at SI didn't have any idea what it was or where to get one.

3)Sometime in the last 50 years somebody T-boned something and bent in both front bumper mounts. Can somebody throw a tape on theirs and give me a center-to-center measurement so I can get them close?

Thanks!

Norm

P.S. Stupid question for the day. Why do the rear sig mounts hinge? I'm cleaning them up, but don't see the purpose.

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Turn signals

by Skip Lackie

The 57-58 3E series truck parking lamps were stand-alone, single white lens lamps mounted next to the directional signals on the tops of the front fenders. They did not blink with the signal lamps. The parking lamps of the 59-64 C-cabs were mounted on L-shaped brackets that were hung from the top inner surface of the grille. These could be wired to be directional signal lamps, too -- but most were smaller, single-lens lights (the later 8E series ones were larger, though still single lens). If equipped, the primary, two-sided signal lamps were mounted on the front fenders. The Scotsman models had a small parking/signal lamp mounted on the fenders below the headlamps.

The rear signal lamps were mounted sideways to the rear sides of the bed. Most of the beds I've seen had small dimples indicating where the holes were to be drilled, but many dealers installed them in a different place.

I think the gasket you are referring to is part number 652220. It fits between the cluster panel and the dashboard. I thought SI carried them.

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RE: Turn Sig, Instrument Panel Bumper Questions...

by Mark Thompson

Norm, I have an 3E6 also, but my is about half put together now.

Question 1. I due believe the light in the grill that were used in 59 are the same signal-stat 700 used in 57 and before too.

Question 2.Interments gasket on my truck was foam. I believe it is there for weather- proofing. back side of panel is open to the elements.

Question 3. Dimension should be center line of each frame rail. I havn't reinstalled the bumper yet. but that is where the mounting holes are on the frame.

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Re: Turn Sigs, Instrument Panel and Bumper Questions......

by studemaker

'59 turn signals are unique to that year, but are I believe, actually use the same bodies as the rear signal and light bodies. The difference is in the mounts. I believe the mounts could be reproduced with flat iron, but would perhaps have some flexibility without the ribbing that was stamped into the originals.

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The gaskets behind the instrument panels were made of an petroleum impregnated cardboard, and made to keep out the dust and moisture, I have also seen them listed in catalogs in the past, but you could probably reproduce one with some heavy, bulk gasket material, and have them seal adequately.

The center to center measurement of the bolt holes for the bumper bolts on the frame horns is 26 1/2 inches.

Rear signals were hinged to keep them from breakage if you backed into something. Because they were outside the box, but behind the fender in the drivers rearward view, this happened quite frequently! wink.gif

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Front Signal lights

by 6E40

That mounting set-up was used on the 1960 to 1964 E-13 and up models as well as the 1959 series. I think you are correct about the bodies as the gaskets listed for the front parklight/turn signal lenses and the tail light lenses are the same part number.

Doug

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You are correct

by studemaker

Was only thinking in the Doehler grilled pickups Doug. I tend to forget about the 5E and 6E trucks having the grille mounted signals with the amber lenses.

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Thanks for the responses, guys!

by Norman

Skip~

Thanks for the info on sigs, I didn't know they were model year '59 (like me) so I'll see if some pop up on egay. My rears seem to be in the stock locations after looking at members trucks, so I'm moving forward. I was at TSC today and found these for 5 bucks (6 with the plate light) and they'll work until I can find, blast, and powdercoat some of the originals.

I ran your P/n by SI, and it's a rubber gasket. for 15bux I think I'll try to make one.....

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Mark~

Thanks for the "gasket" info, I've got some sheets of butyl rubber so I'll try to make one. SI gets 15 bucks for rubber, I figure making one is worth the time wasted...(-; See below for additional question...

Studemaker~

A pic is worth a thousand words! My 57 has the same 4 mounting holes, so I'll take some sheet stock and make something up. I'll also try the butyl rubber sheeting for the gasket.

I'd say C-C I'm off a bit, but nothing that my friend can't straighten on his frame jig. Looks like the front member got tweaked also, but 50 year old rigs have a hidden history....

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As far as the hinges, I'm sure I'll try those out (involuntarily) once or twice...(;

Mark,

Tonight I installed new glass and seals on the passenger side, but I'm having rubbing issues. Is your truck near by? I used what I thought was the correct divider strip, but I'm running into clearance issues. Can you tall me if your '57 has smooth inner side dividers? I don't want to rip everything apart, but I'm willing to make it right.

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PS I'll make a post about replacing side windows (seals, whiskers, etc.) with pics when I do the drivers side.

Norm







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Re: Turn Sigs, Instrument Panel and Bumper Questions......

by Junkyarddog

I have a 57 for a parts truck,

#1 The signals were on the front fenders mine are "factory" cast and are chrome and are blanked out on the back.

#2 Never found this to be an issue, it's probably there from the factory to seal it from any dirt or water coming though. My 58 probably has it cause its never been apart, but most I've ever taken apart or seen didn't have anything they were metal to metal.

#3 The stock front bumper is bolted straight onto the frame rails and has no brackets, just measure your frame rails. the bumpers on the 57 are straight and not curved like the earlier R series are.

From around 54 on up even on the Champs with the narrow bed with fenders most all have the hinged tail light brackets my 57, 58 and 62 all have them. I guess it was their idea in helping prevent bush from hitting them and braking the lights off . Remember these were work trucks back in the day and used a lot off road.



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Dover report...

by Frank Drumheller

Well, I think I have returned to earth since our visit to Dover. No complaints except for the heat!! I stayed inside most of the time, but did venture out Thursday AM to visit the truck and Lark classes on the Show Field. Several beautiful vehicles in each class.

The truck that excited me most was George Hamlin's 1949 newspaper delivery van. George has done a wonderful restoration on this most unusual truck- it's sort of the milk truck type- a Boyer sliding door version. This truck sat in a creek for some time before George stumbled upon it some years ago. It was a mess, but you'd not know it now. I hope he won a 1st place. It was a TW cover truck several years ago.

It was great to see so many Studebaker friends at Dover, especially all the truck fans.

The STF dinner went smoothly, I think, on Wednesday evening. We had 39 Studebaker nuts and wives in attendance. Everyone seemed to enjoy the evening and the food was great. A buffet and what a variety!!

We did conduct a business session. After the welcome, introductions, grace and several runs to the buffet, we settled down to business-

> I read the letter from the National Museum thanking us for our continued adoption of the '63 Prototype truck at the Museum. We paid $250 to begin another year through July 1, 2015 for the adoption. The museum included 10 free tickets for the coming year and at least six were distributed. Several are left if anyone is interested.
> I gave a financial report- we had $359.83 in the kitty after paying for the next year's adoption. I passed my straw hat and danged if it didn't come back filled to the brim- $231. We now have $590.83 in the kitty- enough to continue the adoption for at least 2 years. I believe the group is always open to other small projects agreed upon by the membership.
> We announced that the STF would meet to have a group photo session at 9:00 AM in front of the water wagon parked out front. Check out John Weinrich's daily reports above for preliminary photos. Hoping actual photos of the group will show up shortly.
> We were introduced to Art Reist and his son, Andrew. Art told us of his efforts and skills necessary to restore the Water Wagon displayed at the entrance to the Dover Downs Hotel and Casino. His presentation was most interesting and his work even more so!
> We had new members Kevin and Martha Studebaker introduced to the group. They own a 1949? 1 1/2 ton farm truck that Kevin is readying for the road. They have an unusual story to tell of their backgrounds which I will not try to replicate here. We'll get them to post their story for the extended group.
> During open floor, we had a item to discuss that concerned the arrangements for the next dinner for those attending the York meet next March.
> We passed my straw hat again and had everyone put in their numbered meal ticket for a prize drawing. A youngster in the group pulled out #4 ticket. The holder of the ticket was Skip Lackie's wife, Peggy. She won a large framed showroom illustration from the 1949 series of showroom hangings of the 1949 2R17 stake truck in yellow. Skip laid claim to it for his garage art. Congratulations to Peggy.
> We ended the evening with Show & Tell. Bob Barrick showed his 1949 Salesman's desk flip chart for the group. In unbelievable nice condition, it certainly is a desirable collectable. I remember seeing one years ago and it was in fairly worn condition. This one is NICE. Thank you, Bob, for bringing it down from Canada and making these State-siders jealous. Frank had a display of all of his 1957-58 3E series showroom brochures, ads and salesman's data books.

We ended the meeting with Show & Tell in time to get some shut-eye before the 9:00 AM photo-taking exercise!!

Special THANKS to Jane Ash for making the arrangements for the meal and for bargaining our meal price down to $22.20. What a trouper! I'd like to have her bargain for me at the Pearly Gates!

Also, many, many THANKS to Dean Elstad and Sandy Bergeron for manning the ticket table. What a job they did under the pressure of so many handing them $$ so they could eat. And it all came out to the dollar after handling 39 hungry people in about 15 minutes. Thank God for Volunteers. And these three volunteered, they didn't have to be asked!!

We're looking forward to a repeat at St. Louis next year! Any volunteers?

Best wishes, Frank

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Thanks for the report Frank.....

by Jim Sinclair

now if I just knew how to post the photo sad.gif Jim

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TightSteer

by John Weinrich

Anyone ever use this:

http://www.siminoffjeeparts.com/TightSteer.html

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damper

by vern

never seen one, looks like it would work, any thing would be an improvement on what they have.

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Gary Hansen's Unique EUV

by David Orth

Stopped by the Renton (WA) Classic Car Show today. Came across the only Studebaker in the show. Turns out it was local club member Gary Hansen's unique 1950 Studebaker 2R5 EUV...Electric Utility Vehicle. The beautifully finished and painted truck is powered by a beefy high torque motor out of a fork lift and runs on a bank of special lithium batteries located in the bed just behind the cab. While visiting with Gary I was amazed at the large groups of people hanging around who soaked up all the technical information Gary cold dispense. He was a busy guy today. Sadly the photo of the engine....er.... motor was to dark to post.


http://s108.photobucket.com/user/48m5/slideshow/Gary%20Hansen%20Electric%202R5

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Electric Utility Vehicle

by Bob Cruse

I also attended the Renton , Wa. car show , and here are a few more photos . I hope this works , there should be 10 pictures . ...........Bob Cruse






http://s1258.photobucket.com/user/my4e40/slideshow/?sort=3



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When I discussed this battery power

by Peter

in Tacoma a few years back at the Can Am Zone meet I asked how far on a charge, he said tops 60miles but feels better at 50 to 55 miles leaving him some kind of allowance.
Peter

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The workmanship is exemplary...

by Lee W.

....really an example of thinking outside the box.

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Progress on farm re-fresh M47A

by Don s.

I've had this about 8 months, I'm doing what I call a body on refresh job.
Farm Fresh.
Been doing lots of stuff...but....what made me laugh out loud today is....
The horns work! I didn't expect this!
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Nice!!

by John Weinrich



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Last Picture

by Mike

Tell us about the last picture...is that something you made? Doesn't seem like a vintage '47 air cleaner design.

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Air cleaner...

by Don s.

Purchased on eBay. Wanted a vintage looking air cleaner. Couldn't find a Studebaker one at the time.
Painted this the engine color, and had a decal made.
Fits nice.


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It does look vintage...

by Mike

...and will probably be a nice alternative to the oil bath variety.

Reminds me of when I was a teen...a friend of mine had an old car with an oil bath air cleaner on their farm. They had cut the back end off and mounted a sprayer. After they quit using it as a sprayer, the tank was taken off and we dubed it the "staff car". We used to run up and down the fields with it and if we went too fast across the rows the oil would splash over into the carbureator and kill the engine. Not having a working starter, we would have to walk back and get a vehicle to pull start it with. Fond memories. I hadn't thought about that in years!

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re:M47A ???

by Al Freese

Maybe I'm dense but can someone tell me what a M47A is? I've never heard of that model before. Is that a over-the-road tractor or something?

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m47a is a mistake....M15a....sry.

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Looking good, where did you get the tires?

by Lee W.



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Tires...

by Don s.

Came from Coker.

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Sweet !

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bench seats

by Phil

Has anyone modified a 49 2R Series set of bench seats to fit an M Series cab. I bought a very nice set of upholstered seats, back and bench. The measurements that I got made sense but I find now that I have the seats and can fit them the back seems to fit perfectly and the bench fits in the rear but is too wide at the front and touches the doors when they close. Makes sense because the M cab narrows to the front while the R cab is more square. My old springs are badly rusted and mishapen so I can't get a good measurement on the top of the bench which seems to be the narrowest. I'm inclined to try to modify the springs I bought, recut the fabric and redo the seats, any ideas, has any one done this before?

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bench seats

by bill

Phil,
I'm sorry to hear that the bottom doesn't fit! after all that! call me and we can figure something out. Your truck is to nice to start doing a back yard job on the seat.

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2R5 Box Value

by Mike

I stumbled across a box for a 2R5. Seems to be pretty good with some dings, but not too much rust. I don't need a box, but wondered if it was worth buying in order to resell to provide some funding for the parts I do need.

Is there a market for decent boxes? If so, what kind of value? I realize this is all subjective without pictures, but I don't have any right now. Tyring to determine if it's worth the effort before going in. Not trying to get rich or fleece anyone, just pick up a little extra Studebaker cash.



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Re: 2R5 Box Value

by Randy

It depends...
Yes they are worth something. The problem is the guy who needs it probably isn't going to be that close to you, and then how do you get it to him.
Is it just a bed, or is it a trailer? Things like tailgate, fenders, and if it has rare items like a original rear bumper and spare tire carrier under it could be worth more than the bed its self.

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Re: 2R5 Box Value

by Skip Lackie

They certainly are worth a few hundred dollars, and a really nice one (if there is such a thing) could be worth %1000. With the fenders removed, they're small enough to fit inside a modern pickup, so they're not difficult to transport. The parts to repair one from Classic cost more that $1000. As noted, the fenders and tail gate can be the most valuable parts.

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Head question

by Randy Belgum

Blew my head gasket yesterday in my M, Champion engine, I will use a sealer when replacing the gasket. What is the tolerance on the head when checked with a straight edge? trying to figure if i need to machine the head.

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I don't know the

by John Weinrich

tolerance but I would think 0.005" to be the max.

When I had my engine rebuilt the rebuilder said he didn't use a sealer. He said he thought the gasket sealer was already on the gasket. The leak was between the number one and number two cylinder where there is a water passage. This is where the sealing surfaces is thinnest. So when I fixed it I used the Permarex copper spray. That was a year or more ago and it sealed well. I do seem to have a small leak now. Driving to Dover and back (260+ miles) my recovery tank has dropped about 3" so the leak might be back, not sure because it was very hot out. Engine runs and idles very smooth so if the leak is between the head and the block it must be small. Cannot find a leak anywhere else.

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Multiple Retorquing Needed

by Phil Birkeland

Some time ago the head gasket on my 1950 2R10 Champion engine let go, interestingly while sitting in my garage. About 3 qt of coolant leaked into the crankcase. The dipstick showed pure coolant lying on top of the oil. No white emulsion there or inside the tappet chamber. The head bolts were barely finger tight, which explained the leak. The gasket, from SI, had about 1,000 miles on it. Headbolts had been torqued to 50 ft lb at gasket original installation, 50 ft lb the day after, and 50 ft lb at 250 mi. On removing the head, both head and block checked out for flatness, so that was ok. Chased threads in block and on bolts. Reinstalled a new SI gasket, with sealer this time. Retorqued overnight. Then after flushing the engine with 6 qt new oil, installed a new oil filter and another oil change. Retorqued again after 100 mi, then after 2 weeks rest (bolts still took up about 1/6 turn or one flat), then after another 2 weeks rest. Bolts returned to pretorque rotation, indicating the gasket was no longer compressing. No problem since.

I torque using old aircraft practice - one bolt at a time in the factory sequence. Note bolt head flat orientation, then unscrew 1/2 flat to release thread friction, then smoothly retorque without stopping up to specified torque (so torque is measured under sliding, not static friction). If the bolt rotation returns to previous, no gasket compression has occurred since the last retorquing. If the rotation goes beyond the previous, then additional compression has occurred, and at least another retorquing will be needed.

The SI manifold gasket behaved similarly to the head gasket. Overnight retorquing was not sufficient to fully compress the gasket. The SI gaskets appear to be higher quality than gaskets from our local antique car parts store, but do seem to need more retorquings to fully compress.

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What your suggesting would seem to me to point to a gasket made of inferior material.....

by Bo

The best quality gaskets are made of a very dense composition material and require less re-torquing to obtain correct torque values. Fel-pro is about the best remaining supplier and the only one I stock any more. Quite a bit of this after market stuff just isn't worth a darn, especially the "Best Gasket" products. Very course and prone to premature failure.

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I am also not

by John Weinrich

thrilled with Best Gasket. I have replaced the rear main seal several times and it still leaks some. I contacted Best Gaskets and they would not give me the time of day.... I was hoping that they would work with me to determine the exact problem. I suspect that they are making the seal a bit small so it does not seal well on the block interface.

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Good advice, All

by Lee W.

If you have any doubts about flatness of the head, it would be easy for a machine shop to surface it and it shouldn't cost that much. An "old school" trick I use is to spray the gasket with aluminum spray paint as a sealer. Give it two coats and let it dry before installing the gasket. I do this on head and manifold gaskets.

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Thanks

by Randy Belgum

for tha advice, Mines is also leaking between # 1&2 cylinders

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Remember

by Keith Mifflin

There are 2 surfaces that need to be understood. The block and the head. Way too many people don't think about the block because they feel it would be stable but not so. If you have the head off check both so you know what your dealing with. I'd still try and get the head as flat as possible and use a sealer on the head gasket. If the head is real flat it will make up for some small differences in the block.

Keith

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Re: Head question

by Ted

Randy; I may be answering a little late but just returned from vacation.
If your head and deck are flat you will need no sealer. Look at where the gasket blew. That should tell you where to look for the problem. The manual says if there is warpage more than .015 the head should be replaced. Less than .015 it can be resurfaced.

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Re: Head question

by Ted

forgot to add that as has been stated several (at least three) uses of the torque wrench, two while hot. I too am a trained and licensed aircraft mechanic and understand the torque on an aircraft engine, but there one is working with mostly aluminum, It is a good practice but have not seen the need in these old cast iron engines.

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Dover

by vern

made it home today at 3 pm . 22 hrs on the road was enough, had a great time, bought a few parts and sold less. story of my life. could not make the dinner. wish I could have met more of the members. maybe Saint Louis

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Is the next International Studebaker show in ST. Louis

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ST. Louis meet

by Dieseless Jim

Yes.

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Dates...

by Frank Drumheller

please! Frank

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Re: Dates...

by Lee W.



http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com/sdcmeet.asp

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Thanks, Lee W.--

by Frank Drumheller

for posting those annual locations.

Does anyone have the week and days for the International in St. Louis next year. Thanks for helping an old man plan next years activities!! Frank

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Sunday Aug. 16th........

by Jim Sinclair

thru Sat Aug.22nd Frank.

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Nice!

by Lee W.

Probably the coolest time of the year. happy.gif

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for vern

by Jim Neary

Vern, Do you have 2 door for a 48 M-5. My email is Handlerjpn@aol.com. I already got the cab piece from you awhile back.

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Dover Day Five

by John Weinrich


http://studem15a-20.blogspot.com/2014/07/dover-day-five.html


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Thanks for posting your pics John.

by Jim Sinclair

Nice meeting you,happy.gif sorry I missed meeting Vern sad.gif Jim

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Was weather a factor in the activities?

by Lee W.



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Not sure but I suspect itwas, I was not

by John Weinrich

interested in the picnic at the state park because it rained the night before and everything would be wet...

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my picture

by vern

John done a lot of work to that picture to make me look good, does that info give you any Idea what I really look like?

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It took a while but I

by John Weinrich

able to photoshop out that speedo!!

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thank god on the speedo delete

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LOL

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Dulany Harms???

by Jeff

Trying to email Dulany with no luck

Sent a radio to him last Friday that was delivered Monday but did not hear back??

Hope all is Fine

rgds Jeff
Kitchener Ontario

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Message

by Dulany

Jeff, sent e-mail. Thanks again.

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Heard back from Dulany

by Jeff



Please send best wishes to Dulany's son who had a mishap this week working.

Get better soon.

Glad the radio arrived

Jeff

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Power steering for my 6E5 Champ?

by MW

Well, after driving my new Champ for a couple weeks now and shaking a few bugs out, it seems like power steering might be a good call at some point down the road. I keep the truck in my garage which unfortunately requires some serious arm wrenching 4-5 point turns to get it in and out every time, not fun really. The truck steers quit well when moving, but is very difficult when not.

I am going to change the radial tires to bias pretty soon and that might help. But it is looking like having power steering is more and more appealing.

Ted, I think you put power steering in your 3/4 ton Champ if I recall correctly. Any advice and what you did, parts used, photos to share and all that? I think you used a GM steering gear of some sort and I'm guessing the power pump as well. You have the diesel but I'm sticking with the Stude V8. Maybe a Stude pump and even a Stude steering gear unit? Did Studebaker have any factory units that would be a bolt on or mostly bolt on kind of deal I could try to track down. Anything I might be able to get off a Lark or a Hawk?

I'd be hoping to avoid having to pull the front sheet metal off to do this, but not sure about the details with the steering shaft, new connections and all that. Might be a lot easier to pull the front end off to access it all a bit better.

Not sure I want to do it anytime real soon. But, figured maybe I'll be on the look out for the parts needed and then when I have them all and the time to do it can tackle it down the road.

Any advice or parts anyone might have would be appreciated.

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PS means if U don't have it to remember to keep the wheels

by Peter

moving a little then it is much easier at slow speeds.
MW I do not have that particular steering wheel your looking for, next I will look for the Champ Hubcaps. Dr's putting me on all kinds of new meds etc. and they are causing some mega problems and then I got a new type of Drug today that supposedly lessens my Insulin intake so well see where that leads to, but side affects are nausea for 10 or so days.
Does not pay for some to get old and I think I fall into that bracket.
But the skies are blue this week then rain on weekend then heat is back.
Peter

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Yes, is ok if moving, but not enough room at my garage to move much

by MW

It is a very tight fit and I have to do a 3-4-5 point turns to get in and out. The more I can turn it without moving, the less # of back and forth of course. So, turning while moving just adds to the # of times I have to go back and forth. Not easy getting in/out of tight parking spaces away from home either of course.

I'm hoping the bias will help a little. I'll live with it for a while regardless, but probably would still be way nicer if I could put power steering on without unreasonable effort and cost.

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Re: Yes, is ok if moving, but not enough room at my garage to move much

by Ted

Mike: I think you have my e address, send me your USPS address and I will copy the pictures of the two units I installed. Both units were from Mercedes cars. Chosen because I had the cars to scrap.
Studebaker did offer a type of power steering which was more of a power assist. The car units will not fit the trucks. The truck units fit the pitman arm on the end of the valve and the car units fit the arm on the opposite end of the valve. The car units will hit the spring or frame when installed and only give a partial turn to the right.
I have seen pictures of others who have installed GM units in their trucks. Usually when these changes are made the steering column also needs to be changed or modified.

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Thanks Ted, yes I have your e-mail, will send you a note.

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P/S Install

by Dave Owens

Check out Bob Johnstones Studebaker web site/resource page....it's huge & it has some some good info for you. Cheers

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Dover Day 4

by John Weinrich


http://studem15a-20.blogspot.com/2014/07/dover-day-four.html


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The black 4x4 used to being to Ed Ellis of Maryland

by George o

Someone from New Jersey bought it. It was really nice last I saw it!!

Take care

George o

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Still is. The truck

by John Weinrich

is awesome in every detail. Never saw such a great paint job like glass on a truck. The judges had a smile on their faces the entire time they were judging it. I think the only gig he got was the headliner, They claimed it was not original.

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C-Cab interior trim

by Joe Diggle

My truck has the curved aluminum interior trim pieces around the top of the
door openings; is there also supposed to be vertical trim pieces on the side?

thanks,

Joe Diggle


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Re:C-Cab interior trim

by RickK

Yes, there should be a vertical strip that fastens on the front edge of the door opening and runs from about the bottom of the window down to the floor. At least in a 2R cab anyway. Same material as the strip that goes over the door.


Register your 2R truck at http://www.2rtruck.need-a-geek.com/ It's free!
Register your M truck at http://mtrucks.need-a-geek.com/ It's free!

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Here's some

by Jim Wood

http://www.ebay.com/itm/49-50-51-52-53-Studebaker-Pickup-Truck-Inside-Cab-Windlace-Retainer-Set-Good-Use-/161346009741?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2590f8ba8d&vxp=mtr

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Trim

by Joe Diggle

Thank you!

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Dover Day Three

by John Weinrich


http://studem15a-20.blogspot.com/2014/07/dover-day-3.html

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Great photos, John!

by Brian Dahl

The fun continues! happy.gif

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OG and Scotty going?

by Lee W.



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Re: OG and Scotty going?

by Brian Dahl

Lee, thanks for asking! I wish I were there to participate in the fun and games, but, unfortunately I was unable to attend. sad.gif. Looking toward RI in a couple years though! happy.gif
Brian

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Nope

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STF Attendee photo on Thursday morning 9 am by water wagon in front of the hotel entrance

by Dean

39 attendees for the STF gathering. Last I heard anyone wanting to be in the photo should be outside the Dover Downs hotel by the Studebaker water wagon at 9 a.m.

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Who will be

by John Weinrich

distributing the photo?

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Frank D. do you have an email address for the Studebakers?

by Jim Sinclair

I had it, but can't locate it right now. The picture is on Martha's camera. Maybe she can email it to someone who can post it? Jim

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Jim, I'm ...

by Frank Drumheller

sorry, but I do not have an email address for the Studebakers. I don't even have their mailing address. Just one of those things that got lost in all of Wednesday's rush. Frank

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Peter sent this to me. Wanted me to post it here....

by David Orth



...seems to be pretty straight and..... it has a Mercury space capsule in the back......

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/4540996494.html

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i want the capsule!

by don s



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John Weinrich you better go get it!

by Zane

That is from the same neighborhood as MPH. They are probably brothers!

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Coil and throttle link bracket

by Mark Thompson

On 245 6 Cyl. I was reinstalling my coil Bracket on head Bolt right above Distributor. Are there suppose to be washers under the bracket? Mine will bind on side of block, block is wider than head.

This is on 3E-6 .

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Does anyone have a 245 eng to look at bracket?

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Coil bracket

by Dieseless Jim

I think we, as in my son, have a couple here in South Bend. When are you and the misses going to stop by? It has been a while.

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Been Busy Jim

by Mark Thompson

Don't need a bracket, just wanted to know of there are washers under the head bolt there. Changing company's again. going to go work for Covenant Transportation. Out of Chattanooga TN. Starting on Monday the 7 July.

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Bracket

by Dieseless Jim

I will look tomorrow.

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RE: Bracket

by Dieseless Jim

Can't help. The head is off.

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Re: Coil and throttle link bracket

by Ted

Mark: there are no washers OEM

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Coil and throttle link bracket

by Mark Thompson

Thanks Ted, thats what I thought, but there was such a large gap i wasnt sure.


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Dover Day Two

by John Weinrich


http://studem15a-20.blogspot.com/2014/07/dover-meet-day-two.html


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Vern's photo

by David Orth



....Ya know... I always kinda thought Vern was a lot older than that..... :<)

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Photo

by Brian Dahl

Me too, but Vern is just a young wipper snapper! :/). A heck of a nice guy though. Wished I could have met him in person. Great photos John! You're kind of filling in the blanks for those of us that couldn't make Dover. Well appreciated. happy.gif

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Re: Vern's photo

by Ted

David sometimes the pictures do lie.

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Re: Dover Day Two

by Bob W

Great pictures!

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Re: Dover Day Two

by Thomas

Great Pictures John. Did you happen to notice any six-lug wheels for sale at the swap meet?

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Had not any wheels for sale but

by John Weinrich

I'll be sure to look tomorrow.

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Thanks so much John!

by Thomas



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Thanks for the pics guys , wish i was there!

by Fred



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Thanks for sharing!

by MW

Wish I was there as well. I appreciate the posting of the photos for us who couldn't make it.

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Pictures

by Lenny

Thanks for sharing

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Re: Dover Day Two

by Eric Branch

Great pictures, wish we could be there!

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Dover Day Two,...

by Frank Drumheller

I would like to comment on John's Photo #52. Gerald & I arrived about mid-day on Tuesday and spent most of the afternoon meeting Studebaker friends and with Jane Ash. Jane and I had a meeting with the Director of Food Services to work out final details for Wednesday's STF Dinner.

Anyway, before that meeting took place, I had sneaked a seat at the Dover Downs Raceway table to rest my legs. Suddenly this tall fellow with a graying beard rushed up to me, pointed his bony finger at me and said, "I know you, you're Frank Drumheller, I was in your Government class 50 years ago!!"

Well, I was blown out of my seat. He said, "I'm Bob White". His older brother, Theron, is a member of our Greater Virginia Chapter and he had told Bob, who was visiting from North Carolina, that I would be attending the Dover International. So it was a set up, but, he really got me! 50 YEARS? I would not have known him Tuesday if I had passed him on the street.

The last time I saw Bob was at his graduation in May, 1964. Then he had the audacity to tell me I was his inspiration in becoming a teacher himself, at the college level. Now, I've had my share of compliments over the years, but this guy brought tears to my eyes. What a welcome to Dover. We had close to an hour to bring each other up-to-date about the last 50 years as well as I received an invitation to the Wilson Memorial High School Class of 1964's 50th Reunion in August.

What a way to start the 50th Anniversary of the first Studebaker Drivers Club International Meet! As Gomer would say, "GOL-lee!"

Frank

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front brakes

by kent

i am looking to put front brakes on a 55 studebaker truck spindles there is nothing on it just spindles does anyone know what i can do for brakes disc or drum e mail kentgary62@yahoo.com

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Front brake option

by Lee W.

I'm assuming that you have nothing, just a spindle. If that's the case, then rather than trying to locate backing plates, drums, hardware, etc. you may want to go with a disc brake conversion.
I did the Turner economy kit on my '55 and sourced everything else from O'Reilly's auto parts. Everything went together without a hitch, just follow the instructions.

http://www.turnerbrake.com/truckkits.html

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Re: Front brake option

by Thomas

I like this option for front brakes but what do you do with the rear six-lug drums. Wheels will be miss matched (5-lug on front and 6-lug on rear). Its there a way to convert rear drums? My 3/4 ton '55 has massive rear drum brakes.

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Don't know of an option for 3/4 ton trucks.

by Lee W.



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Re: Don't know of an option for 3/4 ton trucks.

by Doug

I spoke to Turner last yr and I believe he was working on a conversion for the 3/4 ton trucks.

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Re: Front brake option

by Ted

Check E bay. there is a set, left and right brake setup for 3/4 ton Stude there. I will try find it and send you the link.

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The original brakes work well and someone here will have them.

by jack vines

Put out a WTB and someone will have the complete setup. I've been driving on them for forty years.

jack vines

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discuss this with Ted jensen

by Peter

he once sent me something for 3/4 ton trucks I think it was a dodge set up?
peter

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Ok Thanks, I'll Check

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Re: front brakes

by Ted

Front brakes. should you want to discuss this write me at studepickups @ optonline.net

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Re: front brakes

by Ted

Just went through E-bay and the backing plates with hardware do not seem to be listed still. Perhaps the seller will relist. If so I will post here.
A note. Jim Turner is working on making brackets and identifying the hardware to place disk brakes on both the older and the newer 3/4 ton trucks. Don't know for sure when they will be ready so stay tuned.

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Re:Re: front brakes

by Dieseless Jim

I have a front brakes. 6 lug hubs, backing plates, core shoes, used hardware.studediesel@attdotnet. I'm in South Bend, In.

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Brakes M15 - Lockup when hot

by Jeff Payne

What could cause the brakes to start to lockup just when it's hot?

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Look for a leaking wheel cylinder

by Lee W.

I don't know if heat has anything to do with it, but a cylinder leaking fluid onto the drum can cause the shoes to "stick" to the drum, effectively causing them to lock up.

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Re: Brakes M15 - Lockup when hot

by Steve Dotson

A dragging brake from a sticky master or wheel cylinder will cause the brakes to build heat and thus pressure as the fluid expands. I have this happen on several vehicles. Sometimes its as easy as fresh fluid to correct the issue though one needs to take a peek everywhere in the system before putting the car back into service. Steve

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Re: Brakes M15 - Lockup when hot

by Doug

My truck is not exactly locking up but it is similar to what Steve describes. I rewired the vehicle and put in the repaired fuel tank a couple of weeks ago. The boy and I took it for a drive and did some hot laps in a school parking lot. OK, they weren't hot laps, we were trying to learn how to shift the unsynchronized tranny. By the end of the test drive, the brake pedal was getting very firm to the point that I could not press it in much. The braking was very poor. Put it up on the rack when we got home and the boy noticed the right rear drum was smoking. IR gun showed it to be 325 - 345 degrees. I guess those shoes were dragging and heated up the brake fluid.

The other thought I had is maybe the Hill-Holder is not releasing. When I got the vehicle I had to rebuild the Master Cylinder and replace some brake lines. I tried to clean the Hill Holder but did not disassemble it. I bled the system by have not taken a look at all the drums and shoes. The right rear drum may be a little scorched now.
Doug

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Couldn't call this a roller exactly but it is a 1939 big truck... sorta...

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http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/pts/4546855969.html

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Looks like a half-ton but where the other half is I don't know

by Rob

Sorry
Couldn't resist
R

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Thass an UGLY baby!

by jack vines

Worse has been restored/rodded; just not with my money.

jack vines

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I think the other half

by Doug

went to the war effort.
Some people strive to recreate that kind of patina on vehicles.

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What's the history of Commercial Iron Works ?

by Lee W.

That hood script would look neat hanging on a wall.

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Answered my own question.

by Lee W.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_Iron_Works

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well...

by Gord Richmond

If somebody wanted a K-series truck real bad, you could buy this cab, and hang it on an M or 2R series chassis, and fool everybody but the experts.

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Dover Meet, Day One

by John Weinrich


http://studem15a-20.blogspot.com/2014/06/dover-meet-moday-june-30.html

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More Pictures

by John Weinrich


http://studem15a-20.blogspot.com/2014/06/dover-more-pictures.html


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Thanks John

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Re: More Pictures

by Jim Mackey

Thank you John.

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Studebaker Int'l - Dover Swap Meet

by Thomas

I'm unable to attend the Studebaker International Meet this week. Anyone there notice six-lug 16 X 5.5 Lock Ring Wheels for sale? I'm trying to replace my 1955 E12 3/4 ton truck rims. If so, please let me know...Thanks! Trudzewick@gmail.com

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1951 P/U bed

by Ray Stewart

I have a 1951 2R5 (actually a mixture of parts) and the bed exterior sides are about 70% bondo. The metal below is rusted through in places. This 79" overall bed has about 3-4" tubs on both sides (I have seen pictures od this before) and upon measuring find that the inside rear wheel to rear wheel is 52"...just about the same as the width of the standard bed. The tag on the rearend is W 44/9. The only thing I can figure it that the rear end was changed and the bed tubbed to fit the rearend. Does this seem correct? I would love to find a good bed at a fair price near KY...just hoping. I could tub it if needed. The wheels seem correct (and take the cap clips). Any idea what I am working with here? As always, Thank You for your help.
Ray Stewart

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My guess

by Norm

I have a 50 2R5. The tires almost rubbed the bed when I bought it. It had a Dana 44 from a Lark put in by a previous owner. I don't know how to decode your tag but you must not have the stock pickup differential. The pickups had 5 on 5 wheel bolt pattern. The Lark Dana 44 is 5 on 4.5 pattern. This would be one clue. I installed 2" spacer adapters on the rear. This moved the wheels out to where they fit and look nice in the fenders. My wheels are zero offset. I didn't want to buy offset wheels to solve the problem. Regular wheels are in too far if they need the bed tubbed. The truck should look funny with the wheels that far inside the fenders. Of course if you have big wide racing slicks you might need to do that.

Hopefully someone who can decode your W44/9 tag will chime in. You might try a search for information on the SDC Tech Talk forum.

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Tag

by Bish

I believe the tag is your gear ratio: 4.89. Photos might help us determine the bed issue.

Bish

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Perhaps a change to the later bed in its past

by studemaker

My truck is a mix of different year parts, put together to recreate a '59 Deluxe service truck that was too far gone to restore.
The bed that was used, was a wide bed, ('57) that had to be tubbed to fit the early '56 Timken 3/4 ton axles and frame that was used. Sounds like yours might have been done similarly. The earlier c-cab beds were narrower, as were the rear axles. Hope you are able to find a better one close to you.
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recent CL finds from Peter Sauer

by MW

He asked me to post them for you guys so here they are.

'66 Wagonaire: http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/cto/4540152057.html

'64 Champ: http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/4543515018.html

Pretty nice looking '47 M-5: http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/4540845199.html

Very nice '49 2R15 pick up: http://mohave.craigslist.org/cto/4488958673.html
Rick(?), isn't this your truck? Trying to slip this super nice truck by us without telling us first? happy.gif

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It's mine

by RickK

Yep, that's my 2R15 Peter. I bought a 2006 Yamaha Rhino, a trailer for it and a 1996 Ford F150XLT to pull it with this spring so I didn't need the '85 Bronco II (my four wheeling truck, already sold) and the F150 will take over the hauling duties from the Stude. The 2R15 comes with an extra running engine, T9, etc. If anybody on the forum wants it, I can do better on that price. I don't really want to sell it but the wife says we could use the money. And you know how that goes.

I can be contacted at threers at frontiernet dot net

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Sorry to hear, but best of luck with it.

by MW

I am not in the market for one myself, but it should be a real nice truck for somebody.

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Truck rear window

by Joe Diggle

Did the C-cabs (mine is a 1950 2R6a) ever come with inside molding around the rear window? or just just the rubber? wondering how
the headliner is supposed to be tucked in.

thanks,

Joe Diggle


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Just the rubber gasket

by MW

athe headliner tucks under the lip. No other trim ever that I know of for C-cabs. T-cabs have trim, but not C-cabs.

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Re: Just the rubber gasket

by Joe Diggle

Thanks very much; what I thought.

Joe D.


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ATTN: STUDEBAKER TRUCK FARMERS-

by Frank Drumheller

Well, we are only four days from the 9th ANNUAL STUDEBAKER TRUCK FARMERS DINNER-INTERNATIONAL STUDEBAKER DRIVERS CLUB MEET in Dover, Delaware. It's getting exciting, isn't it. With all of the other activities taking place during the MEET, I really look forward to the STF dinner meeting and seeing truck friends again.

The dinner is scheduled the begin at 5:30 PM in Banquet Room #1. Please start coming in around 5:00 PM. Dean and Sandy will be taking your money ($20.20 per person) and you will receive a ticket to admit you to the dining area. Please have the correct amount (no checks) to save time having to make change. Those few who have paid can pick up your ticket as Dean will have your name as PAID. Your ticket is all-inclusive for the meal.

Don't forget we have room for Show and Tell. Please place your Show on the tables provided. You've have your chance to Tell after we eat.

RESERVATIONS-

ASH, Gary
ASH, Jane
BARRICK, Bob
BARRICK, Janice
BEADLE, Barbara
BEADLE, Jim
BERGERON, Sandy
BRADFIELD, Chester
BRADFIELD, Nancy
CONNER, Nancy
COOLIDGE, Bert
COOLIDGE, Bill
COOLIDGE, Bob
DANDURAND, Lew
DRUMHELLER, Frank
ELSTAD, Dean
HITER, Gerald
JONES, Ed
JONES, Laura
KAISER, Jerry
KURTZ, Jerry
LACKIE, Peggy
LACKIE, Skip
MUSKE, Mike
PALMA, Bob
PFAHLER, Tom
PUGH, Darlene
PUGH, Larry
REIST, Andrew
REIST, Art
SINCLAIR, Jim
SINCLAIR, Judy
STUDEBAKER, Kevin
STUDEBAKER, Martha
TATTERSALL, Brenda
TATTERSALL, Cliff
TURNER, Jim
WEINRICH, John

That's 38 reservations as of tonight. We may surpass 50!!

{Lord, I hope I have the list correct and not have left anyone off!!!}

We will also have a group photo taken on Thursday afternoon on the show field (to prove to others that there are people who love Studebaker trucks)! Time will be announced at the dinner.

I know many of you will have left already and many will follow tomorrow and Monday. Please DRIVE SAFELY and watch out for the crazies. Gerald and I will not arrive until Tuesday. If you wish to contact me, you may reach me on my cell phone at
(540)748-4215.

As my Turkish friends would say, "Yoliniz acik olsun!", "May your roads be always open!". See you in Dover.

Frank Drumheller

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STF Dinner

by Dieseless Jim

Will miss this one. Have fun. Jim

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Thanks Frank..........

by Jim Sinclair

see you in Dover. Safe trip everyone! JS

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Re: Thanks Frank..........

by 2r5

Thanks Frank .... We left this morning . We are now in Lancaster PA for over night and only have about a 2 hr drive into Dover in the morning. The 66 worked great today!

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Re: Thanks Frank..........

by 2r5

Thanks Frank .... We left this morning . We are now in Lancaster PA for over night and only have about a 2 hr drive into Dover in the morning. The 66 worked great today!

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More progress on the M5

by Bob W

Starting to get close:







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Stop it Bob......

by Jim Sinclair

you are REALLY making me look bad. happy.gif OH WELL, keep up the great work, and keep those pics coming. Jim


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Well done mods! Awesome!

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Love the engine compartment...!

by Eric L

You have done a nice job in that engine bay Bob. I hope for mine to look that way one day soon!
Question though...... I like how you have arranged the battery and the brake booster, but I don't have an M15 cab and so do you think I could fit all of that in an M5 cab?

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Re: Love the engine compartment...!

by Bob W

My original, overly rusty cab, was an M5. Everything fit exactly as you see except for the addition of a relief in the firewall to handle the distributor on the V8. Here's a picture:

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I actually moved the battery inboard another 4 inches after this picture was taken.


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What I like is the fuel filler location

by peter

that has to be the best place for one that I have seen in years.
Peter

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Re: What I like is the fuel filler location

by Bob W

The tank sits under the bed. It's a Jeep 73-76 CJ5 tank slightly modified and it's a really good fit. I would have loved to have it right behind the cab and come out of one of the side panels ahead of the rear fender but with a 700R4 and a one piece driveshaft, nothing would fit there unless I had a custom tank made and I was too cheap for that! I do like that location but would have preferred to have left the fender alone! The change made was to bend that smaller tube down and then the whole deal comes out between the frame and the bed. Very slick fit, and since it's not stock anyway, why die in a fire?!

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keeping those wheels???

by Anonymous

Nice truck......but those Wheels just gotta go???

Just my 2 cents

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Re: keeping those wheels???

by Bob W

I was planning on Moon disks but your post has me reconsidering that. After all, it's not really a hot rod unless it offends somebody.

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Getting close

by Rod Byrd

Your truck is going to be a piece of art.
It is so hard to do a modified M5 and have it come out presentable, yours will surely be show quality.
We opted to keep our 'Stella' 95 percent stock.
Either way, you will be having a lot of fun at the shows and enjoying comments from the admirers of your truck.
...PS.......A visor would really set the truck off...........






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Looking for brake parts - 1949 2R 10

by Bryan

I've tried the normal suppliers and no one seems to have these...any ideas or alternatives??
PN 182673 - this is the washer that sits directly under the shoe - on the pin, Need 8
PN 678392 - rear drum, Spring shoe return, this is about a 9 inch long spring, Need 2
PN 678381 - Rear Eccentric, Need 3 (SI had one)

Thanks!

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Bringing M5 bumper guards to Dover

by Gary Ash

I'm bringing a couple of sets of the reproduction M5 bumper guards to Dover. I'm getting down to the bottom of the box, not that many left. If you have been thinking about getting a pair or two, don't wait too long. I don't think I'll make another run of these. They are 316 stainless, excellent copies of the originals, won't ever rust. Price is $200/pair. Look me up in Dover or send an email to garyash (at) studegarage dot com.

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Bumper brackets

by Rowan

Gary - did you get my PM?

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A great buy........

by David Orth

.... A couple comments about Garys bumper guards:

I acquired a set shortly after he began offering them for sale. They've been on my M5 since 2010. I can say they are exceptional in every way. They are dimensionally correct and polished to a high shine. They look like chrome. They fit the original bumper perfectly. These are probably less than purchasing nice originals then having them re-chromed and these will never rust.
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Gary, email sent.......

by Jim Sinclair

I would like one pair, see you at the T.F. Dinner.
Jim

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Axle Position

by Don Marshall

The rear axle of my '61 Champ P/U is 2" to the rear of the fender opening center line...on both sides. The bed is standard size and the rear end appears to be the stock one. Has anyone seen this before or know why it might be that way on my truck?

Thanks for any help.

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c cab door hinge bolts

by doug sterrett

i just got a bag of the screws/bolts from SI,these are for the door to hinge and hinge to body on c cabs, after going threw all different bits and phillips sizes, ths ones i got from SI are for the # 4 pozidriv bits. i know that #3 phillips fits pretty good on the factory bolts , but # 4 phillips fits the factory bolts the best and #4 pozidrive bit fits the SI supplied bolts/screwa the best............................. doug

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Re: c cab door hinge bolts

by Jim Mackey

Thanks for the info Doug.

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Local Champ on E-Bay

by 62champ

According to this listing, this truck lives in the same place I do.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Studebaker-original-Classic-Stubebaker-Champion-Truck-Resatored-Original-/161349666526?forcerrptr=true&hash=item25913086de&item=161349666526&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

If anyone is interested, I could always have a closer look at it, get some additional pictures, or whatever someone might be wondering about. Will leave it up to you and seller about contact information and such.

Let me know if anyone is interested - always like looking at Studebakers - especially trucks wink.gif

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That would be fantastic! I'm bidding and would appreciate a .............................

by Bo

a detailed opinion as to condition and rust/bondo if any.

Thanks, Bo

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If you could just

by 62champ

get the contact info - I can get in contact with them. Email for me is lark60s at hotmail.

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Never mind. Something not right with this one. Fella has it listed twice and............

by Bo

won't answer e-mail asking why?

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2 bids

by MW

1st one at $3,050 and reserve not met
2nd one at $510 with no reserve

That could get interesting.

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Champ is back home from the mechanic.

by MW

On the engine missing, basically it is burning some oil and had fouled up all the plugs except one pretty badly. Some enough they likely weren't really even firing. Everything else regarding the ignition checked out ok. So, he just replaced the plugs and it does run better. It does have a bit more power and doesn't seem to miss now. But, honestly it is still not wowing me as far as power goes. My memory of my previous '64 Champ with a 259 was that motor had some nice pull to it. This one doesn't really seem to. But, it was only 1 relatively short drive home. It did make it up the hill and can now pull it in 2nd to some degree, very slowly basically. A lot better than before, but not quite as good as my 2R11 with the Commander motor.

It still makes blue smoke at start up so the plugs are probably going to just get fouled up again. But, hoping some regular driving and road use might at least help it. I'm going to give it some time and use before I decide if that needs more attention or I can just live with it. Part of that might be seeing how long these new plugs last before they possibly get fouled up too. My guess it is probably the valves and guides that need some work if it gets to that point. So, likely some head work might be in my future.

He packed the steering box with grease. Need to let the remaining gear oil drip out before we can assess whether that is a good permanent solution or not.

Pinion seal on the rear was bad, he just replaced it, no problem. That was easy enough and hopefully at least that issue can be checked off the list permanently.

When driving up the hill to my house, the motor was definitely doing better, but it seemed like the clutch might possibly be slipping some. First time I noticed that. I guess because the better running motor was capable of it now vs. before when it wasn't. I seemed to be able to rev. the motor up in 1st quite a bit while heading up hill without a direct corresponding increase in speed. And no, I wasn't burning any rubber by a long shot. Might be my imagination, not sure. Seems pretty good and ok otherwise. Need to put some more road time on it to see.

I got the final approved registration and tag stickers in the mail today from the DMV. So, the YOM tags are now 100% fully legit and approved for use.

I'm going to put the door mirrors on that I got from SI soon. But, they didn't have any screws for those. I looked at the ones on my 2R11 and am not sure they are factory correct not. Seem a little modern. I don't recall off the top of my head what I have seen used on other trucks. Can anyone verify for me what are the factory correct type of screws to use for a T-cab? I will probably just go to the local fastener store to source them and they don't have to be an exact factory correct match. But, I just wanted to know what is factory so I can reference it too start with. I might even have the factory ones in the boxes of old screws I got with the truck. But, the doors don't currently have any holes in them. Do you just pick a spot, mark and drill the three holes as needed and screw them in? I want to make sure to know how to do it properly before I drill the holes of course. I assume there are no backing plates or nuts needed, but I guess it would be better to verify that before I start drilling.

Here is what the mirror bracket looks like on my 2R11. Good chance the screws are from the factory, but not really sure.

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Good progress

by Lee W.

Hopefully the oil burning issue will be resolved by putting some miles on the engine. Can't help you on the mirrors. Mounting them on a C cab is easy because you use two factory supplied holes. Maybe there is a factory bulletin pertaining to the Champs.

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screws

by vern

the screws you have in the picture are correct.

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2nd Annual West Coast Studebaker Truck Gathering 2014

by MW

OK guys, summer is officially here and time is ticking by fast. Not too soon to figure out what we want to do for our discussed 2nd annual end of summer West Coast get together.

Instead of just doing a SF Bay Area repeat, I think it might be a better idea to do it some place different to mix it up and maybe somewhere between us SF Bay Area guys and the Northwest area guys. So, I'm officially throwing it out there to meet up in Eureka, CA and hang out there for a weekend thing. Since all of us would be traveling to some degree, maybe better to do it over a couple days, come in on a Friday, stay all day Sat. and then head out Sun. Perhaps the weekend of Friday 8/29, 30, 31?

For myself, I'd probably vote to stay some place unique and interesting like an old B&B or some odd funky place because that is what I like to do. But, we don't all have to stay at the same place of course.

Looks like it will be about a 6-7 hour drive for me here from Berkeley assuming a reasonable pace in the Champ.

http://www.eurekachamber.com

So, that is my idea. Other ideas are welcome. Anyone who might be interested, please feel free to let me know now and here and I can start to firm up the plans for us. I've never been there, so will be a first for me if we do it. So, anyone with any experience or advice on what to do or avoid there, please let us know.

I'd be happy and encourage us guys coming from the south to meet up and drive together if the timing works. I plan to make the trip getting there and back as much a part of the fun as any of it, maybe even more so. I might even be up for interesting diversions as we go.

I'm hoping to have the truck in top reliable shape and with seat belts so that I can bring my son with me. So, I won't likely be able to offer a ride in my truck.

Who's in?

Possible option #2: meet at Zane's place and take it over for a day or 2. happy.gif



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Wellll......I'm in I think, maybe....

by Lee W.

A trip to Eureka would be about 250 miles, plus or minus for me. Definitely would have to make sure my Champ powered '55 is up for the trip. Eureka is a nice town, plenty of good motels and eateries, good sights.

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What about Bend, Ore?

by Norm

Eureka is a long way from the Northwest. I would go as far as Bend.

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Although I'm

by John Weinrich

not officially a west coast folk yet I vote for Grants Pass. I'll most likely be in Wilderville then (end of August). But I won't have MPH out there for many months...

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if U meet at Zanes Place

by Peter

I will even drive south for 3 days.
Peter

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My place is open

by Zane

If you guys want to meet at my place, you are more than welcome to. Eureka is cool as well. My schedule is pretty tight right now, so I don't know if I would be able to do Eureka. I could set some stuff set up around Salem Oregon as far as a tour or a museum is concerned if that interests anyone. I am open for suggestions. Dads place would take about a full day to go through if you guys wanted to look at a bunch of old junk! Zane

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Re: My place is open

by Kurt

Think thats the truck show weekend at brooks isn't it?

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Re: My place is open

by Zane

If it is, we will be there in force!

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Re: My place is open

by Kurt

Let's make it happen!

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2014 WC STF Gathering

by HW

Rats, not going to be able to join you guys this year. Will be just finishing up a house move on those dates. Here's my 2ยข.

There is some amazing architecture in Eureka and I love to eat at the Samoa Cookhouse, but I don't get a very good vibe from that town. Things feel kind of desperate and the per capita homeless rate seems equal to or maybe slightly greater than that of San Francisco. I was just through there on Sunday on the Moto Melee. Stopped for gas at a place just over the bridge from Samoa and my '59 BSA A10 would not restart after I filled up. I was there for about 45 minutes before the chase truck was along to pick me up. Roughly 8 different homeless persons wanted to be my new best friend during that time period. None were aggressive or threatening, but I live in San Francisco and I typically don't get approached by that many homeless on an annual basis. Don't know if I would want to leave my M5 parked overnight in Eureka in an unsecured motel parking lot. Last year when we were through Eureka on the California Melee we came upon the scene of a homeless encampment crossbow attack! One group thought another group had appropriated some of their gear so the injured party retaliated with a crossbow. Two people shot: one dead, the other survived, but shot in the head and back with crossbow bolts. So that's what I've got to say about Eureka!

If you continue up the coast for another 75 miles you come to Crescent City, California. Much smaller town and things seem a lot more relaxed there. In 2008 I stayed at the Curly Redwood Lodge when I rode my Heinkel Tourist scooter from SF to Seattle. The Curly Redwood Lodge is a fantastically preserved mid-century modern motel built from the lumber of a single, enormous redwood tree. Each room has its own carport, the rates are pretty decent and the place is just as cool as could be:http://www.curlyredwoodlodge.com/

Whatever the plan ends up being, have a great time and hope I can join you guys next year!

Regards-HW

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Been there, nice place

by John Weinrich

and just a few hours from my place in wilderville.

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Eureka aye, Crescent City nay.

by Lee W.

Eureka is the county seat so it attracts more than it's share of homeless/unemployed because of the availability of social services.
It is also the largest city in Humbodt county, which may contribute to a seemingly higher concentration of this segment of our society.
I think my odds of getting shot at or mugged are greater in my home town.
The area has been somewhat depressed because of its prior dependence on the lumber and fishing industries, but tourism is becoming a driving force in the local economy. And because of its geographic location, the pace of life seems somewhat slower. I always feel like I'm stepping back 30 or so years when I pull into town.
Arcata is about 10 miles north and is home to a state university, much to see and do there.
The Samoa Cookhouse is a must do experience and would be great to do with a group of people.
In the past 15 years I've probably stayed overnite in Eureka at least a dozen times and have never felt uncomfortable or had a bad encounter with anyone. Common sense comes into play here, but that's true anywhere you go.

Crescent City ? I think the biggest employer in the area is Pelican Bay State Penitentiary. Been through the town couple of times, didn't see much to draw me there.

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ATHS truck show in Brooks ?

by Lee W.

Now that sounds interesting. Would considering trailering the truck for that.

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Re: ATHS truck show in Brooks ?

by Kurt

Yes the aths show at the Pacific northwest truck museum It is always a very good show!

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Re: ATHS truck show in Brooks ?

by Jim Mackey

The ATHS national truck show in Yakima was great last year, never saw so many Diamond T trucks before.

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Brooks event

by GS

https://www.dropbox.com/sc/182294emq32dlik/AABTkdjmyNM4UvhbpyDgcwuLa


http://www.pacificnwtruckmuseum.org/




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Brooks Truck Show

by StudeDave '57

This would be the week after the Can-Am Zone Meet in Post Falls, ID.
So I'll bet it could work for a bunch of folks~
Even those on the Northern fringes of the SW Zone. wink.gif


I'm on the fence for both shows- lotsa Family Stuff goin' on- still!!!

But I sure would like to get the StudeBus out to at least one event this year...

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well....

by StudeDave '57

All of the ideas up to this point sound pretty good.
So rather then toss another one out there-
has any action been taken on one already mentioned?

Knowing gives me a goal to aim for... wink.gif

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Not sure I can make a trip much up passed the CA/Oregon border

by MW

I'm going to try to have the Champ ready and reliable enough to bring my 7 y.o. son with me where ever we end up doing it. But, even still, an extra long road trip still probably isn't in the cards with him with me. I'd want to take a more leisurely pace and see a few things along the way vs. just crank the miles on the highway. No. CA or S. OR is about as far as I can probably swing it, maybe as far as Portland Zane's place.

Kurt, where do you live?

Catching a truck show as well sounds very interesting, but I don't think I want to drive all the way up to WA to do it.

I'd still vote for Eureka unless it ends up that Lee and I are the only ones into that.

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Re: Not sure I can make a trip much up passed the CA/Oregon border

by Kurt

I'm in the Salem area as well. The Brooks, Oregon truck show is about 5min away from where Zane lives and about an hour south of Portland right off I5 the show grounds. I finely looked up the truck museum web site.http://www.pacificnwtruckmuseum.org the show is going to be the weekend before then this year that might throw a wrench in to everything.

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MW what is wrong with Grants Pass

by Peter

it is mid point and would work well with you and your son, I'm sure John W. will find lots for you all to do.
Peter

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Nothing, I was just there this past Dec. looking at a Champ

by MW

We stayed in Ashland which was nice.

I've just never been to Eureka myself, so wanted to check it out.

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Does Zane know about this? Allen's place is an option also

by jack vines

I might be up for something like this.

Except for the fact Allen's place is beyond the ***-end of nowhere, thus no lodging or food available, I'd vote for it.

jack vines

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WANTED: looking for two 16" stock wheels

by Eric

I Need two 16" wheels for my 1952 2r5 pickup.

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Drop me a note at........................

by Bo

bomarkham@embarqmail.com

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Champ steering wheel part #

by MW

Anybody know what the part # is for this particular type of Lark/Champ steering wheel is?

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I tried to get a NOS one from SI, but they go confused and sent me the wrong one. They said they can't check to see if they have that type unless they know exactly what it came off of or the part #. I told them that some Larks and Champs had them, some had the other kind below which is what my truck has. But, I would prefer this type instead. I don't know why they used one vs. the other or if other models had them as well or not. Or even if it is easy to figure the difference between the part #'s on the various ones.

But, basically I'm looking for a near perfect one in black or a really good one that can be easily restored to near perfect. If anyone has one available or just knows the part #, that would help.

This is the kind of currently have. It is a very nice wheel, very close to perfect, but I just prefer the looks of the thinner arm type better.
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MW again tell me which one you have and if I have in my

by Peter

pile of stuff I will ship out the one you want.
Peter

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I have one like the bottom one in the white truck

by MW

I would like to change it to one like in the top photo in the green truck.

If you do have a nice one, I'd love to get it. Just let me know how much you would like for it.

Thanks Peter.

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Two types

by 62champ

Studebaker used both types of these steering wheels during the years the Champ was being built.

The bottom wheel (1551067) was the standard wheel used in 1960 on all Champ trucks. At the beginning of the '61/6E model year (or somewhere shortly after), they started placing the top (1551574) wheel on trucks with the shifter on the column. Trucks with a floor mounted shifter (and all export trucks that were RHC) kept the older style wheel - not quite sure why.

Both these wheels will fit Hawks and Larks and Champs - no difference. If you can find any of the oval wheels, you should be good. My Uncle and I were at an auction once where someone was getting rid of his excess stock. A black oval wheel came up that was said to be off a Champ - no one seemed too interested and a guy bought it for @$20. I asked him why he wanted it because he did not own a truck, "Oh, it is going on my '62 Hawk - it is 100X better than the wheel already on there." Live and learn...

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Yes the bottom was the one

by Peter

in my 63 PU which I was told is the right one, the other one was a car steering wheel.
Peter

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259 Engine for sale

by Lenny

I am getting a 63 259 engine for my 62 Champ . The 259 in
my truck is running but 1 cylinder has 60 lbs compression
all the rest are 110 120 .Wcfb 4 barrel I will need a few
parts for the 63 engine $250.00 I live near Atlanta
Georgia .Engine still runs good no miss or backfire
still has plenty power 10 lbs hot oil pressure at idle
40 lbs hot driving no shipping will be pulling engine
July I think .

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Why change then?

by MW

I am sure you have your reasons. If it were me and it really was running well, or even well enough as you mention, I'd be leaving it alone instead of just swapping in another 259. It you were putting in a well done, fresh rebuild or upgrading to a 289 or something, that would make sense. Not trying to second guess you. More just thinking out loud that if it were me, I've learned not to create real, actual problems by trying to fix ones that weren't truly problems to begin with.

Regardless, $250 for a known, decent running 259 seems like more than a fair enough offer for someone local. Best of luck with the project and hope someone can find a good use for the old motor. Might just need some valve adjustment to solve the low compression on the one cylinder?

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location ?

by Junkyarddog

location ?

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Re: location ?

by Ron Dame

There's a Lenny selling parts out of Atlanta on the swap page...might be the same one, he's selling Champs parts

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Location

by Lenny

I live in a small town outside of Atlanta any intrest
in the engine hpr241@hotmail.com my email

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