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Practice for saleby (no login)I have been in practice in a medium sized city for 30 years and have failing health including cancer and disablity with spinal problems.I am interested in finding out how I could have someone step into my practice and take it over. Until my health problems ,the practice was consistantly producing 15K to 28K monthly. 0% medicaid, approx 20% Medicare, the rest in HMOs , PPOs and private insurance. I do some forefoot surgery, some RFC, general podiatry, and about 25 pairs of orthotics monthly. I do not go to any nursing homes. I have one employee who assists me, prepares packs, x-ray etc.,does ordering of supplies, does the electronic billing, makes apointments, pays all the bills and generally runs the office. We have a 24hr live answering service. Some times my wife helps out when we are very busy. We work about 15 to 25 hrs /week and make no attempt to advertise or engage in practice building. Office rent is 1000/mo, all equipment is paid for. I have about 960 sq feet in my office, two treatment rooms and attractive environment. All 4 local hospitals have DPMs on staff I am on staff at 2 of them. and we enjoy a good working relationship with local docs as well as a good referral base. I would be intested in selling the practice 2000/month until the negotiated price for the practice is paid. Interested parties may contact me at DJAY44@aol.com. from IP address 152.163.100.130 |
i'll take a lookby (no login)hey, I'll take a look at the office. Send me an e-mail droehrlein@yahoo.com with more info and I'll fire one back. Thanx for the opportunity. from IP address 24.196.25.4 |
Untitledby Danny (no login)Does anyone know much about admissions to podiatry school? from IP address 216.188.230.209 |
whadya need to know?by drp (no login)Whadya need to know? from IP address 129.32.194.55 |
Responce: pod school admissionby Caraway (no login)Podiatry schools have the same admission policies as your tradional med schools. MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS: Ususally a B.S. or B.A. with the following credit hours. 8 hours- General Biology 8 hours- Chemistry 8 hours- Organic Chemistry 8 hours- Physics You have to take the MCAT as well. I am unsure about the average MCAT scores for pod school. Traditionally, Podiatry Schools have accepted students with lower GPAs and MCAT scores than your traditional Med schools. Avr. GPA is probally around 3.0 or slightly lower. Avr. MCAT score is probally around a 24 (overall) or slightly lower. I think this is accurate. If it is not someone please correct me. Yours, Caraway from IP address 138.47.106.174 |
GREby drp (no login)In addition to the MCAT, the also take the GRE from IP address 129.32.194.55 |
somewhat...by (no login)This is somewhat close, the other factor is that they also take GRE and DAT scores (for those pre-dents out there), yes the GPA is around a 3.0-3.2 overall and the MCAT is probably right around a 23-25, like Caraway said. Just apply, dont be scared, plus its a TON cheaper to apply to pod school than it is to med or dental school. Jeff email me if you have other questions, I just got into Temple !!!!!!!!!!! from IP address 129.255.138.54 |
GPA can be lower, unless things have changed.by Dr. Toes (no login)Unless the pod schools changed their requirements...I knew people who had way under 3.0 (2.5 & less) in school. Also, the old MCAT's i think 8 was real good, their where folks in the 4-5 range. With so few applicants they take just about anybody as long as you interview well. I mean look at this year, so few grads, there are residency postions that will never be filled. Dr. Toes from IP address 24.50.178.117 |
C Averageby Dr. David Stellwagen (no login) If you check most medical school catalogues like the one I have here from the University of California, Davis Campus, A 2.5 (C Average) is all that is required under the Medical Schools policies on admissions. However, it's the competition that requires a darn near 4.0 to get in. The schools are compelled to accept the students with the hier GPA's and are "more likely to succeed in medicine." Now I don't agree with this logic because we all know that morons go to medical school, good grades or not. Some of these docs are just downrigtht dangerous. After all, doctors kill about 195,000 people a year by recent government statistics. This is the cream of the crop fellas, but sound more like sour milk to me. But we have to forgive them because like all, they are only humans trying to do the right thing. from IP address 68.158.104.22 |
Tuition Drivenby a.b. (no login)They accept practically anyone, the schools are tuition driven. from IP address 134.174.248.70 |
School=businessby Anonymous (no login)If you mean they are tuition driven because the school is a business then you'd certainly be right. If there are more applicants than seats then the focus shifts to the quality of student, all other things being equal. That is, if you want to keep your school open, etc.. from IP address 67.10.181.219 |
Templeby (no login)I recently was accepted to Temple Univ. School of Pod. Medicine !!! Anyone have any comments or advice. I really like Philly and can't wait to get started in the Fall. If there is anyone on this forum starting this Fall, email me. from IP address 65.103.53.130 |
Re: Templeby Pod Alumni (no login)Congrats Jeff, I grad from PCPM (Temple) in 1992, great school! Best in country. Enjoy your 4 year experience! from IP address 24.175.173.36 |
Interview questions.by (no login)Can you tell me what interview questions they asked you at temple? Thanks, Lance (itorice99@yahoo.com) from IP address 69.146.26.4 |
shadow experienceby nc (no login)I got to shadow a podiatrist today. It was fairly interesting. What I basically saw was a medical specialist who focuses on the foot. It felt similar to when I spent time volunteering at an orthopedic clinic with DOs and MDs. It wasn't glamorous work. It wasn't a job to be envied, but the patient/doc interaction was nice. Her patients were regulars. She had seen them for years. Many of them she had performed surgery on. She has surgical privs. at one of the best hospitals in Clearwater. She presented a patient to me whose great toe she had fused. Her description of the surgery sounded very much like orthopod surgery that MDs/DOs perform. All in all it was nice. She was very capable and very knowledgeable. from IP address 24.92.180.82 |
Shadowing is half the story.by Podiatrist (no login)Sounds like you had a good experience. Add to that, the fact that the docotor if well established is making well into the 6 figure salary range, probably has time for a family life and half the headaches of other specialties making the same living. Perhaps a profession to be envied after all. from IP address 205.188.116.134 |
Pod school acceptanceby Danny (no login)I'm a student at the university of Texas at Austin...and applying to podiatry school. My overall GPA is 3.0....but it's kind of watered down by the first half of my college career. I made a 2.5 in the introductory courses...but have countered it with a 3.4 gpa for the second half of my college career, in the more difficult classes. Do I even have a chance?? What are my odds...? Does anyone know much about admissions? Any input would be helpful...thanks! from IP address 216.188.230.209 |
Acceptanceby (no login)You will probably have no problem getting in. I know some people who came from lower tier schools than yours with lower GPA's who are doing just fine in pod school. Did you take the MCAT? What programs are you applying to? Kevin from IP address 68.75.174.48 |
podiatry schooolby Danny (no login)I'm applying to Florida, Iowa, NYCPM, and arizona. Are you a student? Do you know much about the student profile? I'm taking the MCAT this summer...and applying right after labor day. I'm hoping to start somewhere by the fall of 06'. Any suggestions?? Any one school better than the other? Thanks Danny from IP address 66.25.162.109 |
Re: podiatry schooolby (no login)I am a SCPM student. I think Caraway's post in the other thread is right on target. Although, as far as I remember MCAT is not required but I strongly suggest taking it as it definitely improves your admissions profile at any school. Are you finished with your degree? You may want to contact the schools that interest you about starting in 05. Unless you are finishing up your undergrad, you could probably start in the 05 school year! Check out this site for more info about Scholl admissions: http://www.rosalindfranklin.edu/Admissions/scpm/ DMU is a great program, Scholl and Temple are the other 2 names that come up most frequently when considering which school is "best". Although some people will say that your education will be the same no matter which school you choose. From my personal experience Scholl and Des Moines are quality programs, I can't comment on Temple because I did not apply/interview there. JEFF can probably help you out on that one!! If anyone has any questions please feel free to email me. Kevin from IP address 68.75.174.48 |
what about scores?by Jeff (no login)Apply to Temple bro. Take the MCAT or DAT, rock it and then you're money. from IP address 65.103.53.130 |
GPAby Al Kline DPM (no login)My GPA was just over 3 when I entered Podiatry School. You certainly have a change. Take the MCAT and get to know a podiatrist in your area for an introduction to the field. Good luck! http://podassociates.proboards25.com/ from IP address 24.175.173.36 |
Podiatry Employment service with over 600 Podiatrists registered.by (no login)Podiatry Employment service with over 600 Podiatrists registered. Just to let you know that www.podiatryzone.com has been a great success we now have over 600 Podiatrists registered looking for work, there have been many successful placements in Australia and Europe, and we also have a growing US presence. The site is currently free to use and is growing in popularity on a monthly basis. Any potential employers are welcome to register here: http://www.podiatryzone.com/clients/signup.html And any Podiatrists looking for work or who just want to see what positions are available out there are welcome to register here: http://www.podiatryzone.com/jobseekers/signup.html Best Regards Paul paul@podiatryzone.com www.podiatryzone.com from IP address 144.139.175.101 |
What % is walk-in trafficby (no login)What percentage is your walk-in traffic compared woth your reffrral based patients? I am finishing my residency this June and am starting out cold, have been offered a very nice office space but it is located off the main avenue. Rent will be about 1.5 times cheaper than that of being on the Avenue a few blocks away. My Second question is related to my first, as a new practitioner should I pay the higher rents and be on a high traffic avenue or take the side street office with low traffic. from IP address 68.237.119.17 |
High traffic vs. Low trafficby Podiatrist (no login)As in any people based business; LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION! Pay the higher rent. from IP address 205.188.116.134 |
it dependsby cma (no login)If you will practice in a smaller town, go for the low traffic office. If you will be in a competitive area, then maybe the higher exposure would help. When I rented, I felt like the office was an obscure location, but people knew where it was. I practiced in a town of 30,000, but I was the only game in town. had there been another pod in towm, I probably would have gone for more exposure. What about office space near the hospital? I've said it here before, your office should generally look and smell like any other doctors office. I think some pods try to skimp with substandard offices. I visited one office once which was a single room with a partition to seperate the reception and waiting area from the treatment area, and above the single podiatry table there was a barelightbulb hanging from the ceiling. This created a terrible impression for this pod. At least I thought so. This guy was NO competition. from IP address 24.160.193.139 |
Re: What % is walk-in trafficby Al Kline DPM (no login)90% of my practice is referral. 1% walk-in. In fact, we don't take walk-ins, appt. only. from IP address 24.175.173.36 |
for carawayby RD (no login)Why are you knocking podiatry to build up MDs? MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHY ARE YOU COMPARING A PODIATRIST TO A CHRIROPRACTOR? THESE ARE TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT FIELDS TO PRACTICE. Chiropractic methods ARE NOT EVEN PROVEN TO WORK!!!! Podietry is a proven method of medicine and surgery. Oh Yeah, Most orthepedics do not do foot surgery, they leave that to a podiatrist who have been specificly trained to perform sugery and cure diseases of the foot and ankle. When you are 60 years old and your entire body is sore because the bones in your feet are intirely out of place,[Threfore causing your knees to buckle and creating excessive pressure of the spine], Guys like me will no longer be something for you you to compare with crooked Chiropactors but instead, the answer to your prayers. Maybe you should do your researce before posting your completly ideotic opinions in a disscussion room that is often monitored by professionals, UNLIKE YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your Future Physician, Dr. Caraway, DPM "Dr." Caraway, Now are you a podiatrist or a student applying to an allopathic medical school? Either you're developing cognitive decline of aging, infected with CJD, or have hydrocephalus or you're a terrible liar (spelled 'liar' not 'lier'). Either way, you had better brushed up on your English skills because no medical school (US based or Caribbean) will review your application with such dismal spelling and grammar. By the way, the last time I check this is America where a person is entitled to his/her opinion. I simply hold the opinion that podiatrists are not physicians and neither are chiropractors or optometrists. Where's the crime being committed? If you check the AMA physician profiles and finders, you will not see podiatrists, optometrists, vetenarians, or chiropractors listed. I see it's strange that you don't log your protest with the AMA for not listing podiatrists as physicians. RD For others, I agree that podiatrists are doctors, but I stand by my opinion that they are not physicians. Only medical schools train physicians and only full scoped practicioners are physicians. RD from IP address 199.4.216.97 |
dyslexics of the world UNTIE! --For RDby Podiatrist (no login)My friend, You have alot to learn about the English language. You take Caraway to task for his grammar. Meanwhile half of the tenses in your sentences do not agree with your subject. You misspelled veterinarian and your syntax is all off. I could forgive you that, but it is your arrogance and vitriol that is inexcusable. Take some time from your busy "MD" practice for some English classes. from IP address 205.188.116.134 |
Don't kid yourself. RD is no MD.by Caraway (no login)If indeed he is an MD,which I highly doubt,his practice obviously does not keep him busy enough. If RD was half the MD he claims, he would have no time on his hands to visit "the podiatry forum". It's funny how he can find the time to visit this forum between having a 50 hour work week and being on call. The MDs I know (Internal Medicine, Cardiology) barely have enough time to be with their families and take some time out for themselves. So if RD actually is an MD, he must have no family and nothing better to spend his precous free time on. It's sad when you think about it. Maybe we should cut poor RD some slack. He obviously has no sex life, or even a life for that matter. Yours, Caraway from IP address 138.47.106.174 |
Why does this site contain spyware & popups?by Dr Toes (no login)I have not been here for a while. But why does this site contain so many popups & spyware. Gain is well known spyware. Can't we have a decent site for for discussion withoput all that crap. I would gladly donate a $1 or $2 for a real site. Come on, web hosting is cheap these days? Individuals have their own sites. For Pets's sake & we are doctors or what. This site used to be good & I see lesss & lees mosts every year. Let's get with the program. Even the format is out of date. Dr Toes from IP address 24.50.178.107 |
Question for RDby Caraway (no login)Since you are not a real MD, what do you do for a living? It seems to me as though you are a sick twisted little man who gets gradification by belittling others. The truth is that you yourself are not a real doctor. You merely pretend that you are. A real physician is too busy to play doctor on a forum designed for pods. Your not fooling anyone so give it up and get a life. Your future MD, Caraway from IP address 138.47.74.13 |
RD: The caped crusader of medicine?by Podiatrist (no login)lol. One has to wonder why a so-called "MD" spends so much of her time on an obscure Podiatry site and makes it her life's work to discredit the profession. It seems most obvious to this podiatrist with my "limited" medical expertise that this person suffers from some form of internal conflict relating to Podiatry. Perhaps she see's the Podiatrist next door doing so much better. Perhaps there was a falling out with a Podiatrist-close relation. Perhaps we are seeing the manifestation of jealousy so frequently rearing it's ugly head in medicine. More likely a disgruntled person, who had some dealings with the profession and see's it as her life's work to berate hard working people making a good life for themselves. Either way, this person is laughable at best in her attempts to build herself up by trying to minimize the work of others. I'm sure RD will read this post and attempt to come back with some trite message of superiority admixed with anger. It won't work though, she's too far gone and we have all seen her protest a little too much. I wish her luck though, put on that dark mask and cape and save your little corner of the world from the evil menace. lol. Maybe they'll make a movie about your exploits one day. Good luck and godspeed you Punisher of Podiatry, you Redoubtable Detractor! Keep us posted.lol. from IP address 143.104.182.133 |
RDby unknown (no login)for an MD, you sure have a lot of time on your hands to sit around and post comments. from IP address 129.120.193.16 |
clerkshipby (no login)Any one know of a good clerkship (hence doctor to work with) in NY area. Im looking to spend a few days a week with a doctor as part of my requirements at school. Thanks from IP address 207.166.216.6 |
Untitledby Info about RD (no login)I've done some poking on RD's ip addresses when he's posted under his name of "RD". He seems to be posting from Tulsa (st. johns healthcare system's internal network) and one of his latest postings originated from Houston (where I am). This guy probably works in the hospital as some sort of tech and didn't get into podiatry school. Take care. from IP address 67.10.181.219 |
I agreeby Caraway (no login)He's not fooling anyone. He's probaly just a middle aged loser who only has a associates degree. Thats a few steps down from MD degree he claims he has. Don't listen to anything that sicko says. He obviously lives in a fantasy land. If he has an MD degree I want to know what med school accepts ignorant students who are only out for themselves. He is absolutly pathetic. Yours, Caraway from IP address 138.47.74.23 |
Reading this **** is depressing!by E Braun (no login)I have been in Podiatry for about 30 years now and have had no problem with who I am or what I am ( I used no initals I put my name down as you can see ) I was offered a honorary MD degree and turned it down because it came with some stipulations attached that I did not want, and saw it as a piece of paper with no meaning or MONITARY value to me. I feel that the problem with the various unhappy writers in this forum is that they would fail at any profession dispite the title. A title is no guarntee that you will make a living, nor is three years of residency! One has to work for sucess and it is not easy, especially in that you are taught ( by failures ) that you are a doctor, and this means you will be rich and respected! Well this is bull, you still have to work and earn respect! When I graduated NYCPM back in "the old days" one year residencies and preceptorships were the only post graduate training available and most sucked! It was legal slavery but you put up with it to get what knowledge you could, this was followed by indentured servitude to an older doctor who taugh you how to make a living and if you listened and learned you realized that the podiatry part was the easy part the business aspect was the part that seperated the five figure doctors who could not pay their bills from the multiple 6 figure doctors who have all the toys. Maybe this is the problem. Its gotten to easy to get an education in podiatry, and the concept that podiatry is a business like any other profession is not taught! Well maybe if the forum members spent more time learning business and started to visit and learn from the older sucessful doctors the need to cry over titles would go away. In life its " he who dies with the most toys WINS!!!" from IP address 66.32.137.122 |
I agreeby Anonymous (no login)I have been lurking on this discussion list for several months now because my son is considering podiatry. I am amazed by the negative, angry and bitter postings here. I am glad to hear from someone who actually proactices podiatry and is happy with his/her choice. As far as the debt incurred from 4 years of traiing, I would say that is standard in any post graduate training. There are no guarantees in life; only careful goal setting and hard work and will get you where you want to be. from IP address 24.230.89.216 |
Accountabilityby J. Smith (no login)Maybe someone who works there could maybe complain to the chief of staff about this guy using their system to further his personal agenda. (They'd know who he is by his IP) I'm sure they have some fair use agreement concerning their employee's use of the internet. Maybe someone in the area should write a letter to the editor of the local newspaper exposing the same. From my personal experience, common folk have little tolerance for educated arrogance regardless of degree type. If this guy is saying these things about Podiatrists with over 10 yrs of education, imagine what he feels about the common town folk with little or no formal education.... In any event, the people who are telling lies about the profession should be exposed and if applicable, held legally accountable for their actions regardless if they are a real doctor or not. from IP address 68.188.219.197 |
Re: the MD guyby Dr Toes (no login)Well, i have my degree, so I am a real pod. We all know the profession has been looked down on for years, so let him yack. "This guy probably works in the hospital as some sort of tech and didn't get into podiatry school. " Hmmm..that is a toughie: I thought pod schools take anyone. It was my understanding that there were students at my school, who never graduauted undergrad & that some did not even take the MCAT. But who knows. Dr. Toes from IP address 24.50.178.107 |
Everyone but RDby Happy DPM (no login)Been reading the recent "RD" messages for the last few weeks, laughing heartily at times. Above all else, what kind of person spends his time monitoring and bashing a podiatry help site, or any help site for that matter? I can only assume a threatened or jealous person, but you can make your own assumptions. The rest of this post will focus on the many positives in podiatry. I am less than two years out of residency, and am loving life. This field affords all kinds of opportunity. You can be your own boss, or work for an organization if you so choose (I chose the former). As far as to not being a "real doctor" I do not profess to be able to treat the entire human body, but can easily understand and recognize all major systemic illnesses and the medications/treatments used to treat them. I wouldn't write for a thyroid medication any quicker than an endocrinologist would give a heel spur injection or have a proctologist do an Austin-akin while I.....you get my point. I do profess to be able to treat patients and make them feel better by being good at what I do, earning a very good living why I do it. It was a long road through school and training (nothing is truly easy), but it was well worth it. To those who worry about the money aspect (as far as student loans) you can easily afford the loan payments and have a great standard of living soon after you are out. As far as the medicine side, my thoughts are....if you have acne, you go see a dermatologist. If you foot hurts, you see a podiatrist. If you hate podiatrists, go see an orthopedic surgeon and spend less time on this site pathetically awaiting every new post to let us all know how "inadequate" the rest of us are. from IP address 69.119.131.147 |
the truth hurtsby RD (no login)You pods are pathetic, resorting to ad hominem attack when the message is clear and unequivocal that Pods are not physicians. If you can't accept what medical professionals and society know to be self-evident truth, then maybe you should have gone to get your MD degree (that is if you had the ability in the first place). Attacking me for my opinion will not change the fact that podiatrists are not physicians by any stretch of imagination. FYI, I am an American trained and board certified MD. The (not real MD) was meant as a sarcasm. Does it make you feel better to say that I'm not a real MD when in fact you are not a real physician? That is pathetic because at the end of the day, the sheepskin still hangs on my wall, and you still scavenge for geriatric toenails at the nursing homes. from IP address 199.4.216.68 |
Re: the truth hurtsby (no login)It's not that we have anything against you RD, but you have driven a great divide between working podiatrists and working physicians in the literal sense of the word. Let's just put an end to the sarcism and class dividing and call it this: MD's are Doctors of Medicine or General Medical Physicians DPM's are Doctors of Podiatric Medicine or Podiatric Physicians. How's that? from IP address 24.175.161.120 |
Why?by anonymous (no login)Why will you not answer the question I posted twice(the last on 2-26) regarding orthopedists referring, hiring, and lecturing with us? from IP address 205.188.116.130 |
you are the one who is pathetic!by Caraway (no login)I am not a podiatrist, just an undergrad student with every intention of applying to allopathic med school. I am very cofident that I will be accepted. I shadow several MDs and just happened to have met a pod at the hospital that I am mentored. She is respected and is looked at by the public as an accedited physician. I struck up a conversation with her and she told me about this site. That being said, where is your argument? I need to tell you how pathetic you are and how poorly you represent yourself. It does not make any since to me why you care so much about a pod claiming he or she is a physician. Is your life so pathetic that you lose sleep over this? As a matter fact, I'm almost positive that the pods in this forum could give a rats *** as to what you think. You now lay claim that you are indeed physician. Yeah right! Your not fooling anyone. I know if I were an MD that were being accused of being an imposter, I would say more than "quote"- "FYI, I am an American trained and board certified MD. The (not real MD) was meant as a sarcasm. Does it make you feel better to say that I'm not a real MD when in fact you are not a real physician? Here is a list of things thats makes you seem like a lier. 1.) It's funny how you mention all of this but forget to say what specialty you are in. (Family Practice, Internal medicine,cariology, derm, ortho ect.) 2.) You do not say where you went to med school, only that it was in the US. 3.) Where did you complete your residency? 4.) MDs are not trained to be sacastic. They are trained to be truthful, honest and trait forward. 5.) Most importantly, a real physician is too busy to play doctor on the internet. I am the one who said you were not not a real MD. Not the others. Look it up under CLC. The message was intitled "RD is not fooling anyone". It was posted on Feb 10th. You can talk all the giberish you want and I will never mistaken you as an MD. I promise, when I become an MD I will not act like you. You have no respect for others in healthcare. I also hope that I am such a excellent physician that my patients keep me too busy to act out childish shenanigans on the internet such as you do. Quit worrying about pods who claim they are physicians. Your not going to change the way one thinks and you just look plain silly. Grow up and stop lieing to everyone. You are not an MD. I know it, you know it, and I'm almost positive that everyone in this forum knows it too. Stop lying to the world and youself. you are the one who is not a physician. You are a digrace to all MDs. You have false interpretaions of what they do and how that act. That is why I know you are lying. Your Future MD who realizes we all work togeather, Cory Lee Caraway from IP address 138.47.74.23 |
What would you Do ?by Bob (no login)It does not matter, if I cut toenails (debride toe nails) I some times get paid. But most of the time, I volunteer my time to those who cannot pay. I believe podiatry is a noble and faith-based profession ? Most of the day in the nursing home, I am on bended knee. I apply ung and lotion to their sores. I wash their feet and wrap them. Comfort them and pray with them and for them. (Most of my patients are terminal). I am proud to where the fisherman's shoes. Some times, I am the only one who visits the forgotten. My nurse (my wife) attends to their needs by giving them water, holding their hands, and giving them a gentle smile during our visits. My hopes is that I can branch out to the homeless shelters in my city. I would like to get with a shoe distributor and provide shoes for them. I not board certified, only board qualified and I will lose that this year because I could not obtain a PSR. Also, you are right, I could not get into any allopathic school. This is the path my life has taken. I do not know if I would have been a good (Physician)? I know, I am a hard working podiatrist who loves the profession and tries to help relieve the discomfort of the ill. I expect you to throw stones RD. I will turn the other cheek. In my small way, I tired to give you a small insight why I am a podiatrist. Perhaps given a twist of faith you could experience what it is like to wear the shoes of a podiatrist. Thanks Bob from IP address 207.69.139.148 |
Agreeby a.b. (no login)Some may disagree with RD, however, the individual is entitled to his/her opinions. Podiatry has many limitations and flaws which do not entirely encompass other medical professions. The problems are inherent to podiatry and have not been addressed by the podiatric establishment nor their agencies. Much stricter admissions standards, requiring MCATs NOT GREs, and consistent rigorous clinical/hospital based training will help some of the problems. However, in this day and age, it may be difficult to justify having a pod on staff when a vascular surgeon can do wound care, a FP/internist can do nails/skin, and the ortho can do bones, unlike dentistry podiatry has not truly carved out a niche yet. Massive student loan debts are other monster altogether, and must be repaid, the avg. is approx. 140K, unless one is making serious money in their early years, to be paying this off in their 50's is a joke especially with cost of living, middle class housing, used car, utilities, braces, etc...MD/DOs, DDS, PA/NPs all have loan repayment programs--not podiatry. We tried many years ago to initiate change, however, this profession sometimes enjoys the status quo mentality, "we went through it, so can they mentality." As usual, nothing was done. And it we are correct, nothing has still been done after much note writing, phone calls, and speaking with 'leaders" in the profession. Not one pod I know works only 40-50 hours a week, yet the schools entice and purport this falsehood. No beepers? what? To practice any doctoral clinical specialty requires blood and sweat and 24/7 mentality and workload at times; not no beeper, and 40 h/week that is what the PR podiatric school firms may drum up but it is incorrect and misleading to potential students and applicants. from IP address 134.174.248.70 |
I disagree, agreeby (no login)The problems that we face as a profession is indeed the same as any other. You must remember the history of podiatry when it was still called chiropody in the US. We didn't have surgical privledges , etc. I have full admitting privledges at our local hospitals, which was unheard of 30 years ago. Our profession has made leaps and bounds in recent years. Concerning the admission requirements, when I applied to podiatry school, you had to take the MCAT. Go ahead and apply to podiatry school, you will find the process much like medical school application. I am shocked at your assumption that podiatry as not "carved out a niche yet"? We have carved out a niche that no other physician wants to tackle, treating ulcers, diabetic foot complications and doing foot surgery better than most any other 'specialist' in the field of foot and ankle surgery. Don't kid yourself, most orthopods, vascular surgeons and FP's look at foot surgery and the treatment of diabetic foot complications as something they can hand over to podiatrists because they know we are more skilled and have real life case experience to handle it. Sure there are cross-overs to every profession. Let's see where do I start: 1. I treat warts, so does the dermatologist and pediatrician. But if there is a complication, they will send it to the podiatrist. 2. I treat ulcers and infections , so does the internest, orthopedist , nephrologist and endocrinologist. But in reality, most if not all doctors in the real world, send these complicated patients to the podiatrist. 3. I treat bunions and hammertoes and so does the orthopedist. But, in the real world, most orthopedists look at foot deformities as a head-ache and would rather send that patient to the podiatrist who has more case experience to correct the problem. That way he can concentrate on reconstructing knees, hips and shoulders that pay a hell of a lot more than any foot surgery, with half the complications. 4. I treat back pain and knee pain, leg swelling, peripheral vascular disease, and so does the chiropractor , vascular surgeon , FB and orthopedist. We all share in the treatment of these conditions, but I know when to send my patients to the more qualified doctor when it is needed. Get the picture? Massive student loan debts you say? Well, look at the average cost of going to medical school in general. When I went to Temple Medical School in 1988, the average cost capped at $18,000/yr (including living expenses, etc). The cost to go to Jefferson Medical School in the same years was $25,000. Go figure? I got out of debt within 3 years of practice paying off my 100,000 loan AND my wifes! Go figure? You say "MD/DOs, DDS, PA/NPs all have loan repayment programs--not podiatry." That is just plain untrue, and a statement without any fact what so ever. "We tried many years ago to initiate change, however, this profession sometimes enjoys the status quo mentality, "we went through it, so can they mentality." As usual, nothing was done. And it we are correct, nothing has still been done after much note writing, phone calls, and speaking with 'leaders" in the profession." REALLY? You sound like someone who doesn't really understand the profession or medicine in general. "Not one pod I know works only 40-50 hours a week, yet the schools entice and purport this falsehood. No beepers? what? To practice any doctoral clinical specialty requires blood and sweat and 24/7 mentality and workload at times; not no beeper, and 40 h/week that is what the PR podiatric school firms may drum up but it is incorrect and misleading to potential students and applicants." I'm not really sure what your getting at with that statement? What does carrying a beeper and working 40-50 hours per week have to do with anything? I have yet to see any evidence of any podiatry school advertising "no beepers and a 40 hour work week? from IP address 24.175.161.120 |
Interested in DPMby guest (no login)Hello all. Next fall I will be attending my local community college to take the general science classes. I read the avg. GPA to enter DPM schools is ~3.2. I will be 33 next year and practice law full-time. Can anyone give me any tips and will having a JD help or hurt my admission chances? Thank you. from IP address 67.82.190.6 |
FOR AL KLIEN, DPMby steven (no login)DR. Klien i am an 18 year old high school student. I am interested in bieng a dpm in the future. Bu i have some questions that only a real podiatrist can answer. 1) do dpm get paid during thier residency? 2) what exactly is a residency? 3) how much do dpm's get paid after thier residency? 4) what do dpm's do on a typical business day? 5) will podiatrist make over 200k at one time in thier career? Thank You -Steven from IP address 165.155.160.151 |
Replyby (no login)DR. Klien i am an 18 year old high school student. I am interested in bieng a dpm in the future. Bu i have some questions that only a real podiatrist can answer. 1) do dpm get paid during thier residency? 2) what exactly is a residency? 3) how much do dpm's get paid after thier residency? 4) what do dpm's do on a typical business day? 5) will podiatrist make over 200k at one time in thier career? ANSWERS: 1) YES = I WAS PAID $26,000/YR IN 1992-94 (AVERAGE RESIDENCY SALARY AT A TEXAS RESIDENCY) Most residencies have different starting salaries, but are competitive with most MD/DO residency salaries. 2) SPECIALTY TRAINING AFTER PODIATRY SCHOOL. This is where you learn your surgical techniques and specialty training that will ease your transition into a practicing podiatrist 3) DEPENDS ON WHETHER YOU GO INTO PRIVATE PRACTICE OR GROUP PRACTICE. I started a solo practice, but may practicing podiatrists will join groups right out of residency training. There are benefits and pitfalls to both approaches. 4) SEE FEET Hello? 5) I'M NOT SURE ON THE AVERAGE SALARY FOR PODIATRISTS IN GENERAL. I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF. I DON'T LIKE TO TALK NUMBERS, BUT LETS PUT IT THIS WAY, YOU WON'T STARVE FOR A LIVING. I know several podiatrist that make over a million dollars gross salary per year. from IP address 24.175.161.120 |
Not Dr. Kline, but I do have some answersby Maisonneuve (no login)1) do dpm get paid during thier residency? Yes, most residency programs pay in the $30K-$50K range depending on which hospital. 2) what exactly is a residency? A podiatric medical & surgical residency is a 2-3 year program that one normally completes after he/she has graduated from podiatry school. What exactly you do during the program differs from hospital to hospital. 3) how much do dpm's get paid after thier residency? It varies. I know some who make in excess of $100K immediately following residency. Others don't do so well. It depends on where you practice and what your level of training is. 4) what do dpm's do on a typical business day? This also varies. My best advice to you or anyone else with this same question would be to shadow a local podiatrist for a day or two. 5) will podiatrist make over 200k at one time in thier career? I know many that do, so it is possible. It's certainly not a guarantee though. from IP address 65.54.97.196 |
You asking all the wrong questionsby Caraway (no login)I am not Al Kline, I am just a sophmore in college interested in podiatry. That being said, I think you are asking all the wrong questions. Being a doctor is about helping others, not generating an income of $200,000. Few pods make this much and around half of them fail in practice. Some of them really know there stuff and do better than others. However, I think you really need to do some soul searching. Do your research and ask yourself "Is this really what I want to do?" As for me, I plan on appling to Allopathic and Osteopathic schools upon graduation. If that falls though I will apply to pod school. The way I see it, do what you love. Money will come later. I promise. from IP address 138.47.74.23 |
on the realdocby cma (no login)I'm not sure how it was decidedthat RD is not an MD/DO. I assumed he or she was but was some loser ahole. I believe that if you prescribe medicine and perform surgery then you are functioning as a physician. I also believe the debate of are you or aren't you a real doc is a worthless pursuit. You are a real Podiatist. You are a real foot surgeon. However, to society you are not necessarily a RD. So what? I believe it is unethical for a podiatrist to identify himself as a physician without the qualification of PODIATRIC physician. If you are going around telling people that you are a physician, even though you practice podmed, then people will take that as meaning you are an MD, and potentially be misled. Of course it is in your best interest for people to know that you are a podiatrist and work on the foot, so they know who and what you are. Look in the phone book. Chiropractorsare now Chiropractic Physicians, optometrists are now called optometric physicians, etc. It reminds me of the time this girl was cutting my hair and she said that being a stylist was kind of like being a doctor. She was a Stylist Physician. If you identify yourself as a physician people will assume you are an MD. People should know exactly who you are. Identify yourself as a podiatrist, or an optometrist, etc I think RD, if indeed he was an MD, was just expressing displeasure with every health profession tacking physician onto their job description. I haven't reviewed all of his posts, most I read were short and had a little dig to them. MDs do not consider you to be physicians. I in fact rarely refer to myself as a physician, I reserve that title for Internists. General surgeons refer to themselves as surgeons. Again, MDs consider you to be podiatrists. Society generally considers you to be podiatrists. The only people with a real hangup about this are you, the optometrist, and that sweet hippy chick that cut my hair; from IP address 24.160.193.139 |
Physicianby (no login)Well, I think this whole debate of podiatrists calling themselves physicians started with RD. Howevere, it's not really an issue for most podiatrists. I consider myself a podiatrist or 'foot doctor'. On my business cards I have printed "Podiatric Physician and Surgeon" because it sounds nice and professional. Most podiatrists are not hung up on the divisions of whether we are podiatrists OR physicians, it doesn't make much sense. . . from IP address 24.175.161.120 |
Decisionby Anonymous (no login)I have the opportunity to attend either Des Moines University or Samuel Merritt. Any advice anyone--especially from alum--of either? from IP address 24.230.89.216 |
decision-replyby podsqd (no login)I am a proud graduate of the Illinois College of Podiatric Medicine. It was the finest decision I and they ever made. I took my training and skills and went into the Army where I had the opportunity gain furthur training with orthopods. The military showed no animosity toward Podiatrists because we were all too busy and helped each other. I taught them foot surgery and they taught me upper and lower extremity traumatology. I scrubbed in on their cases and they mine. I could not put a price tag on the military experience. The criteria for choosing which school came down to which ever school accepted me first would get my money. I saw something in them and apparently they saw something in me. I eventually married an army trained MD and life has been just wonderful. After 27 years of practice, I have gone to the VA and she does private practice. We have outgrown the prejudices and have a most gratified life. from IP address 152.131.10.70 |
Re: decision-replyby Al Kline DPM (no login)Well put . . . anyone that tries to divide the profession and belittles others will never have the kind of gratification in life that you have just described. The medical field in general would be a better place without the prejudice of 'class distinction'. I see it in MD's and DPM's, MD's and DO's, MD's and Chiropractors, Dentists and Orthodontists, DPM's and Pedorthoatists, Anesthesiologists and Nurse Anesthetists and among other so-called 'professionals'. from IP address 24.175.161.120 |
depressingby foot soldier (no login)wow. just had a remarkable experience. thought i'd post it in order to hear the feedback of others who are in the profession. by way of background, i've been in private practice for 5 years in southern california. did an rpr/psr, and am in a solo practice. this is my first experience with this sort of thing. a patient called the office today, completely irate. he asked me if i had ever heard of "cellulitis," and then began to berate me for not catching his. he told me that he had seen a "real doctor," an orthopod, when his foot began to hurt a couple of weeks ago. the doctor gave him antibiotics and told him that he had developed cellulitis from an interdigital fissure of his foot. he had not yet finished his run of antibiotics, so all of this was fairly recent. i pointed out that i had not seen him in more than two months, and on his last visit to my office he didn't have cellulitis, and also had no complaint of pain of any kind. his immediate reply was that i didn't take the time to look for cellulitis because i was in and out of the room "like a rabbit." any protests that i had in fact examined him were drowned out by a litany of complaints and accusations, varying from criticisms of my "outrageous office charges" to deprecating comments about any doctor who used "an assistant to do the dirty work." any attempts to actually converse were thwarted by his constant shouting. i was told i was lucky he still had his foot, because otherwise he would sue me for malpractice. i had seen this patient off and on for the last five years, and he had never previously complained about anything. my best guess is that either by accident or purposely, this orthopod gave the patient the impression that he had had the cellulitis for a long time, and that i should have caught it. the patient also took pains to point out that the "real medical doctor" had "real credentials," unlike "pretend doctors" which i took to mean dpm's. it probably would go without saying that i do not believe the patient had an infection when he was in my office. obviously i left the conversation with many unanswered questions... the foremost being why wasn't i given an opportunity to treat the infection when it arose? secondly, where did all the vitriol towards dpm's arise from? if we aren't "real doctors," i'm not sure why he had been coming to me for the last five years. my best guess is that he went to his primary when he first noticed the pain, and was subsequently referred to the orthopod, who was openly critical of dpm's in general, and me specifically. this is only a guess, and in any case i will definitely try to learn from the experience. one of my first thoughts is that i need to communicate better with the local primary care providers. also, i am troubled by the notion that my patient relations might be suboptimal. however, as i said, he had never previously expressed any dissatisfaction of any kind. my patient base is mostly geriatric, and i count among them a number of active and retired physicians and dentists who all have referred patients to me... so i am really puzzled as i don't feel my patient and provider relations are bad. if anyone has had a similar experience or even just some thoughts on the matter i would appreciate it. thanks. any feedback is appreciated. from IP address 24.130.230.17 |
Re: depressingby (no login)Welcome to the world of medicine. It is suprising that he went to see an orthopod "2 weeks ago" after you hadn't seen him in 2 months? And then for him to call you personally and berate you for not catching his 'cellulitis' from an interdigital fissure? The patient appears misinformed. If the orthopod was wise, he should have called you "the established podiatrist" and let you handle the situation. The most common law suits that I have had to review (as expert testimony, etc) is doctors who belittle and slander others. It's probably wise to touch base with all the local primaries and orthopods. As long as you have everything documented from his last visit, you have nothing to fear, even if he would have lost his foot. If the patient is diabetic, educate and document diabetic education and education on the 'signs of foot cellulitis'. Once this is in the chart, it protects you from patients who don't recognize the problem and wait until its too late. Then , the next time a patient calls you complaining that you didn't look into your crystal ball, you can tell him/her why its important to see your podiatrist regularly and not run to some other doctor who has never seen them before. Al Kline DPM http://www.podassociates.net from IP address 24.175.161.120 |
Prayby anon (no login)Wait till you get a post-op complication. You have actually performed a perfect surgery. You are managing the complication perfectly. Then the patient gets sent to ortho by the primary care doc or the patient talks to a friend, etc... it really doesn't matter. Because you are "only" a podiatrist you are somehow resposible/stupid/incompetant, etc... take your pick. You were good enough for the surgery, but now.... Now pray you don't get a letter seeking copies of the chart because that may come next. Now pray the ortho guy doesn't bad mouth you. Now pray, and pray some more. And to think we don't need a MD degree change, I've been praying for that. Good luck, god bless. from IP address 68.56.41.49 |
Chin-up Shoulders-Backby J. D. Stellwagen, DPM (no login)Chin Up, Shoulders back, feet to the fire! It is so unfortunate that some people are so selfish AND greedy AND arrogant that they need to belittle another man's work to make themselves look good. Nevertheless, do not get the opinion that all orthopods are like this. They are not. I have met many a great guy who have shown me many things and been quite helpful on some difficult cases. In fact I think there are DPM's out there who are much more hostile to other DPM's than the MD types will ever be. There will always be someone trying to shoot you out of the saddle so you can't take this personally. There are all kinds of people out there with severe personality disorders that can't do any better. Pray for them they can't help it. It is mostly, if not at a conscious level definately subconsciously, about money and turf. Just be self asured that in your work you are doing your best and rember you are dealing with the public and "it takes all kinds!" There will just be some patients you can't please no matter what you do and your practice is better off without these folks. As for your relations with the other docs, well there are some of these too who won't like you no matter what you do either. Some folks are just miserable souls that are at war with the world and everybody in it. But there are plenty of good docs out there who will appreciate and value the work you do for taking care of their patients. Peace from IP address 68.155.175.233 |
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