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Places to live near Barryby (no login)Hey, I just got accepted yesterday and was wondering if there are any students out there that know where is the best place to live in Miami/ft lauderdale. I think i'd rather live in Ft. Lauderdale but am unsure if that would be better than Miami. Any suggestions? from IP address 24.136.47.206 |
North of the Cityby Anon (no login)Well there is a nice area north of the city: West Palm Beach. Go for it you're going to be a rich doctor someday! from IP address 68.155.175.233 |
Re: Places to live near Barryby Harold (no login)Hey Jared, I'm from miami and if you're want to stay in a decent area close to barry try north miami beach. I believe there's a hospital near by there too called Parkway regional. from IP address 68.35.229.91 |
Re: Places to live near Barryby Anonymous (no login)Try pembroke pines, its a nice area as well from IP address 67.191.28.41 |
places to live in miamiby (no login)Hey there , if you want to email me I can give you a decent area here in Miami. from IP address 67.191.28.41 |
barryby JEFF (no login)How was the interview there? I go in April. from IP address 129.255.138.54 |
Barry interviewby (no login)nothing to worry about. It was so laid back. You don't have to worry about it at all. from IP address 24.136.47.206 |
Barry!by (no login)Hi, I interviewed with Barry University on Feb 11, and have already sent in my $500 deposit. I live in Georgia, and am not familiar with Miami. I would love for all of us accepted there to stay in touch, so that in fall when we arrive, we have learnt a little about each other. Please let me know. Also the interview was very laid back. Mr. Weiner, is a great guy. Please if you plan to fly, the interview, campus tour and lunch did get over for me by 1:30 pm. So plan your flight accordingly. Let me know if there are any other questions, I'll be more than happy to answer them from IP address 68.219.184.22 |
barryby jeff (no login)I actually do not think that I will be going to the interview at Barry. I went to TEMPLE yesterday and it was nice. The faculty were great and the residency options were great too. Miami might just be a little too crazy for me. TEMPLE is closer to home too. You should consider it. JEFF from IP address 65.103.53.130 |
interviewby (no login)hey, I habve an interview at barry next week and I wanted to know what type sof question they asked and it is only Mr. Weiner the only one interviewing thanks from IP address 208.62.9.251 |
Interviewby (no login)Yes only Mr. Weiner interviews. The only questions he asked me were, what knowledge do you have about podiatry, why podiatry, why do you love Atlanta? What do you do for fun (hobbies), do you think you will be able to survive without your family down here in Miami? So the questions weren't anything weird. I ended up asking him a whole bunch of questions. The day begins with you meeting the Financial advisor, then interviews one-on-one, then campus tour with Ms. Marizelli and then lunch at their food court. It is really relaxed. Don't worry you will do great. If you have any other questions let me know, will be more than happy to answer. Good Luck from IP address 68.211.230.4 |
Struggling Practice?by (no login)As I read through the forum, I come to the conclusion that either some podiatrist is doing very well, and others are not. Why is this in our profession? Is this something unique to podiatry? Residents and new practitioners don’t have any guidelines for starting a new practice and podiatry school doesn’t really offer any courses on insurance, where to start a practice and general pitfalls that can drag a practice down. I know that when I got out of residency, I didn’t have a clue concerning insurance companies and general business tips to get a practice up and running. I can honestly say, it took me roughly 2 to 3 years to get all the kinks out. I’m going to post a few tips on general business principals to help residents and new practitioners get started in a solo practice: 1. SOCIOECONOMICS- It may sound silly, but why go and practice in an area filled with podiatrists. There has to be a general need for podiatry in your area. Is your area a retirement community or a busy business community with young families? These answers will guide you to what type of patients you will see and what services you can provide. Also remember that location is EVERYTHING. Try and be in areas accessible to people with good parking. These little things can make or break your practice. 2. INSURANCE COMPANIES- What insurance companies are there? Make sure you can get on all the plans in your particular area BEFORE you settle. What are the ratios of private vs. managed care? If you live in an area of managed care, some plans will not take new practitioners on board, cornering you out of the market. 3. CODING- Take a good course in podiatry coding and all know all its nuances. Medicare has great courses you can take that will introduce you to the rules and regulations concerning podiatry and how to code. 4. STAFFING- When you first start practicing, start SMALL. You build a practice with competent employees who are willing to help you succeed. Finding good staff for your office will be your biggest ‘new business’ challenge. I’ve seen all too many practices start out in fancy buildings with a large staff, only to see them go under. Remember that your staff can break your practice. The key to a successful practice is keeping your OVERHEAD down. Start with just the essentials. 5. BUILD BUSINESS RELATIONSHIPS WITH YOUR COLLEGUES- If you don’t have any business contacts like other doctors, you will not have a good referral base. Your best advertisement is the way you treat your patients. Word will get around and your practice will flourish. But in the beginning, no one knows you. You can send letters to your colleagues advertising your services. But don’t advertise your credentials and get cocky. Just keep it simple explaining your services and that you will be available to them if needed. 6. DO EVERYTHING - If you have to go to a nursing home and see patients, and then do it! What ever it takes to keep your practice afloat is important in the first years of practice. Even if you’re a fancy, surgically trained podiatrist, basic podiatry skills will be your bread and butter of your practice. 7. GET A SMALL BUSINESS LOAN AND A GOOD CPA – In the first years of practice, a good CPA will help you keep your taxes down by providing you all the avenues of tax right-off. This will allow you to continue loan payments without going under. Every year, there are new tax laws that may provide you an opportunity to keep your tax base down. 8. PAY OFF YOUR LOANS QUICKLY – The sooner you are financially independent from your financial institutions, the better off you will be. Don’t go out a buy a fancy house, fancy cars and toys before you have paid off your loans. When you start turning a profit in your practice, put every penny into paying off your loans. I was able to pay off basically 2 ($100,000) loans in the first 3 years of practice. It can be done. 9. HAVE A STRONG WORK ETHIC – Not every patient walks into your office wanting to have surgery. Keep surgery as an option for your patients, but exhaust conservative measures of treatment. Be energetic in your work and have a solid work ethic. Define your treatment plans and goals with your patients and lay out the plan of action. Patients are looking for a confident doctor who knows what he/she is looking for. Look at your own treatment plans for the most common ailments such as heel pain, general arthritis, skin conditions, etc. Have a starting point and end point for each of these treatments. 10. ENJOY WHAT YOU DO AND DO IT HONESTLY – Patients sense whether you are happy with your profession. If you’re not happy, your patients will not be either. You may want to step back and determine whether this is the right profession for you. Podiatry is a great profession if you play by the rules and enjoy what you do. Remember, these are just general tips, and I’m sure there is more. Feel free to add to this thread with any more ideas. Al Kline DPM http://www.podassociates.net from IP address 24.175.161.120 |
Re: Struggling Practice?by Thank you! (no login)Thank you for the advice. On the matter of paying off loans - some of us have had the fortune of being able to consolidate our Stafford loans at a rediculously low 4% or less in the recent years. Would you recommend paying that off ASAP when in the first few years of establishing a practice/patient base or is it o.k. to pay the minimum until you're making increasingly more? from IP address 67.10.181.219 |
Replyby (no login)It all depends. If you can write off your loans or the interest of the loans, you can wait, but it's probably not wise to wait. When I got out of residency, the STUDENT LOAN was the largest loan I had, even before the mortgage and business loan I needed to get my business up and running. I made it a priority to pay that off first. You could also pay 2 or 3 times the monthly payment when you can afford it, and this will greatly decrease the time it takes to pay off the loan. from IP address 24.175.161.120 |
Re: Struggling Practice?by Anonymous (no login)Uhhh, NO! My loans were consolidated at less than 2% (after discounts for on time payments, electronic debits, etc.) I cannot see any reason for paying them off at any type of accelerated rate. If I have more money than I need at the time, it will go into some sort of investment vehicle that will return significantly more than 2%. I can't think of anything that makes sense as to why this should be paid off sooner. If anyone can tell me why it would be beneficial to pay this off faster, I would be interested to know the reasons. Thanks. from IP address 24.225.60.114 |
Payoffby Al Kline DPM (no login)Well, 2% is awefully low, and I agree, pay off the higher interest loans first. The goal is to get DEBT FREE, so you don't have to work 'for the bank'. However, even a 2% loan, on a 170K loan can still add up after 15 or even 30 years. It makes more sense just to pay everything off and not have any debt. from IP address 24.175.161.120 |
Every Profession has Insecurities that can be Exploitedby Anonymous (no login)Every profession has its ups and downs. Here is a link to an article that describes the 'reality' of pharmacy. http://www.pharmacyweek.com/discussions/thread.asp?board_id=2&conference_id=18&post_id=20291&thread_id=4831&filter=Unread#pid20291 The article describes the ``bagging-the-doritos phenomenon'' experienced by pharm d graduates. "Excuse me Mr. Pharm D, what isle are the depends in?" "All you do is count pills all day." Dentists: "all you do all day is drill teeth, that's not medicine." "You can't treat the whole body" "You can't admit patients into the hospital" Optometry: "Optometrists can't prescribe real medicines." "An Ophthalmologist can do anything that an Optometrist can do." Nursing: "All you do is change bed pans and give the pills that the doctor prescribes." Physician assistant "You can't prescribe meds without the doctor's authority" "Pretend doctors." Osteopaths "You couldn't get into an MD school" That stuff is for quack doctors." Some students complain aboout the osteopathic movement saying it is nonsense and takes away credibility from their degree." Then you have infighting within the medical specialties IE, "my training is better than your training." I'm a surgeon, I'm a dermatologist, I'm a MD, Ph.D., etc, etc There is even fighting about the medical schools themselves. I.e., I went to Harvard, that is a 'first tier school.' "Your school was easier to get into, they let anyone in." Foreign medical graduates get it too. "You had to go to the Caribbean to get your md degree." "At least it was an md not a do" City versus Rural physicians: "Country docs don't see real trauma cases." "You don't make as much $ as me" Research docs vs. regular docs: "I've been published and you haven't" "Yeah, you got published by second quality publications, they let anyone publish anything." Residency programs also play a part. "My residency was better than yours" Income: "I make more $ than you" "I have a bigger house" "I have a faster car" Children: "My kid goes to blah, blah, blah school." "My kid is the smartest" THis type of carp(sp) isn't limited to the DPM drgree, it's anywhere where someone wants to feel superior to another based on careers. In fact, it could spill out everywhere. " My girlfriend is better looking than yours." " My dad is tougher than yours." " My wife has a better jobs than yours." " My kid goes to the best day care ever" " My clothing is more expensive." " My diet is better than yours." " My lineage is better than yours" " I look better than you" " I'm a better swimmer than you." " I'm more important in my community." " I'm more traveled than you." " My watch keeps better time than yours." " My uncle was the first man on the moon." " My food tastes better than yours." " I'm more sophisticated than you." " I'm better at trivial pursuit than you." "My ancestors came over on the Mayflower, yours didn't." This list could go on FOREVER. But who REALLY CAREES? In reality, any REAL American would find this type of nonsense strange. America was founded on the principle that ALL MEN WERE CREATED EQUAL. If anything, these fortunate jerks who espouse that any one profession is better than another, should be glad that they live in a country that has provided so much opportunity for them. Instead, they select to use their freedoms (purchased with blood) to come to the Podiatry forum and spew forth their anger and hatred at a degree! What a great use of personal liberties. It appears that they want to be the only ones to have a rewarding career. What do these same "doctors" think of their uneducated patients, people that don't even have a BS degree? from IP address 24.236.207.14 |
responseby RD (no login)The difference between podiatrists and all the above professionals is that the optometrists don't think they are physicians, dentists don't call themselves dental physicians, and pharmacists don't call themselves pharmacological physicians. Yet the podiatrists call themselves physicians even though no one else but they thinks so. Podiatry has its place but don't kid yourselve and think you're anything more than podiatrist. from IP address 63.233.86.161 |
RD, please respondby Anonymous (no login)RD, I am reposting this since you didn't answer last time. BTW, optometrists and pharmacists (who are as important to medicine as any medical profession including allopathic medicine) are different than podiatric physicians and surgeons. DPMs use all priciples of allopathic and occasionally osteopathic medicine to treat pathology of the lower extremity. This includes all available diagnostic and therapeutic options. We have full prescribing and treatment options as they apply to our patients. We can and do practice full scope. If a state permits an optometrist to prescribe meds, admit patients, and perform full scope (including surgery) on the eye then they should be considered physicians and surgeons. Now please answer this previous post since you ignored it last time: RD, you bash podiatry and tout MDs. Please answer this: If DPMs are so bad then........................................ Why do orthopedic practices and multispecialty MD/DO groups hire our residents to practice full scope surgery? Why do orthopedic journals publish articles authored by DPMs? Why do orthopedists refer us surgical patients? Why do orthopedists invite us to lecture and share the podium with us on surgical matters? Why do some university orthopedic departments permit DPMs to do full scope surgical care? I agree that that there are good and bad DPMs. I also know there are good and bad orthopedists. But you can't have it both ways. If we are not truly qualified to do the surgery and care of the foot and ankle then why would any of your colleagues do the above. Truth be told a well trained DPM is equal to a well trained foot orthopod. The only difference is that a DPM has to work twice as hard to prove themselves because of people like you. Oh unless you are a DO. It's amazing that DOs still get bashed by the MD community unless there is one( a DO) in the room. I have found that many who belittle others are not the best of their profession. They have to bring down others to their level. If they are competent, qualified, and secure they have little time to attack. They let their work advertise their degree. Face it there a great foot and ankle surgeons throughout the world. Some are MDs, some are DOs, and yes some are DPMs. My patients and referring MDs and DOs show me the respect they have for my skills and quite frankly I don't need your approval. In fact neither do my patients. Take a pill, get some confidence, and consider going back to DPM school. Ciao, The DPM who is taking your patients and your position in an ortho practice from IP address 64.12.116.74 |
Re: responseby Anonymous (no login)RD, for once I agre with you to some extent. I don't think podiatrists should be making a big deal of calling themselves podiatric physicians. Though I think we are physicians; and do fit within the description, and are classified as such. You don't see cardiologists calling themselves cardiologic physicians. Or endocrinologists calling themselves endocrinologic physicians. Or dermatologists calling themselves dermatologic phsicians. And so on. You should be able to see the point. A podiatrist is still a physician. from IP address 24.225.60.114 |
Physicianby Anonymous (no login)It is people like RD who make the physician title so important. He would argue that dermatologists etc are physicians with that specialty but DPMs are never physicians. Whether you agree or disagree the term is more than semantics. Hospital bylaws, state law, and insurer payments all have the term physician. If someone like RD successfully argues that DPMs are not physicians then we are discriminated againcst at several levels. That is why most federal programs consider us "physicians". Several insurers already pay DPMs at a lower reimbursment than MDs/DOs for the same procedure codes. Hardly fair if the care is the same or better. The family MD who attempts an ingrown toenail repair that fails and ends up in the DPM specialist office is often reimbursed higher then the DPM who resolved the problem. This happens for even E/M codes. Now, anywhere in state law where it says a physician can do this or that, DPMs may be eliminated if RD makes the call. This may be as simple as allowing a handicap parking sticker or as complicated as nurses/PAs/ANP working for us or taking our orders. Some hospital bylaws permit active staff and committee appointments only for "physicians". Now imagine no DPM representation on the credentials and other committees regardless how busy you may be at the hospital. I feel because of our ability to treat the lower extremity "full scope" we are physicians. This is what distinguishes us from tne OD, DC, PT etc. Regardless, until discrimination by degree is eliminated titles remain important. from IP address 205.188.116.130 |
Relyby (no login)At our local Hospital, podiatrists are considered "podiatric physicians" and have full admitting and discharge priviledges. We consult general medicine (MD's) and they consult us. from IP address 24.175.161.120 |
Same hereby anonymous (no login)My hospital is the same but there are still some that only permit "physicians" as described by RD to admit and participate on committees. I personally have served as the chief of surgery at my hospital. That caused a stir for some of the antiDPM surgeons. from IP address 64.12.116.130 |
I agreeby Podiatrist (no login)As they say, the grass is always greener on the other side. And morons will always try to prop themselves up at the expense of others. This explains the abundance of naysayers on these sites. from IP address 152.163.100.74 |
You are absolutely rightby Cory (no login)I could not have said it better myself. The people who really have the problems are those who talk nonsence in order to compensate for what they lack: inellegence, power, and integrity etc. I hope this message finds its way to another mixed up kid who is considering entering a proffession that is falsely mocked by others. Thanks, Cory Caraway from IP address 138.47.106.174 |
Temple Calling for Moneyby a. (no login)Got a call at night asking for money to donate to Temple. I have $136, 463 in student loans, and 2 years out of residency. Are they kidding? from IP address 134.174.248.70 |
Selling of Practiceby Mike Crosb, MBA (no login)Does anyone know of someone that does practice valuations and appraisals specific to podiatry? from IP address 12.101.107.154 |
Try Medical Mavinby Gwen (no login)The only one that I know of that does honest and ethical valuations and appraisals of podiatric medical practices is Medical Mavin. from IP address 12.101.107.154 |
Selling of Practice - evaluations, etc.by (no login)Good afternoon: If you are in need of practice appraisals and/or valuations specific to Podiatry, please call Mike Crosby of Provider Resources, LLC at(888) 776-2430 ext. 1 or you can visit their website at www.providerresources.com. You will very much enjoy working with this group. Please also feel free to call me at (813) 891-1811 ext. 102 if you would like to prequalify the practice in question for financing (or potential purchasers for that matter). Coffman Capital provides 100% financing for practice acquisitions plus working capital. Best of luck to you! Best regards, Tracy Mihalak Account Executive Coffman Capital, Inc. from IP address 4.34.181.236 |
Assessing chancesby bt (no login)Hello, hopefully someone can give me some info. I'm a 26 year old guy graduated with a BA in psychology and have an AS (RN)degree in nursing and have been working for a DPM for about 2.5 years.First couple of years in college were rough GPA wise but graduate with about a 2.8 GPA. Right now I've got to take O-Chem 2 and then the MCAT. Just trying to assess my chances of getting into Pod school? Any suggestions....take more classes to get the GPA up? Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks from IP address 64.12.116.74 |
Re: Assessing chancesby Anonymous (no login)First of all why do you want to become a DPM? Clearly you've made the choice to start a career as an RN what happened there? I guess Im confused as to why you would want to change gears and go to DPM school. Why not just finish your BSN and become an NP. Please help me understand what your motives are from IP address 69.152.249.235 |
Re: Assessing chancesby bt (no login)I originally started nursing school to become a CRNA and found this to be very boring. I worked for a group of DPM's while I got my BA in psych, and went back to work for them after I got my RN. Towards the end of nursing school I reflected back on my experiences in surgery with these docs and realized that I wanted to be able to perform surgery if needed and a career in nursing could not give me that. So that is why I am going after the degree and career. Any information on assessing my chances of getting into podiatry school based on the information given in my previous post would be great. Thanks for your input. from IP address 205.188.116.130 |
work harderby jeff (no login)Institution matters, the hospital experience is good and necessary, but the evil of all of this is the MCAT (and your GPA of course). You will HAVE to kick its ass. Sorry dude, thats just how it is. Jeff from IP address 63.254.130.211 |
RE: assessing chancesby Michael (no login)Don't worry about your GPA. If you do okay on your MCAT you won't have any trouble getting into podiatry school. A few years ago the New York College of Podiatric Medicine was giving away free laptop computers to anyone who referred an applicant who matriculated for classes. Good luck. from IP address 66.17.6.96 |
Arizona Podiatry Schoolby futurepodstudent (no login)Does anyone have comments about the podiatry school at Midwestern University in Arizona? I have been invited for an interview there, and I would like to learn some more about the school. Thanks! from IP address 150.208.202.133 |
arizonaby (no login)Futurepodstudent, I to have been invited for an interview in March. I have family that live in that area and it is a great place. I have herd from some of the local pods that the dean Dr. Page is very good and the school is in good hands. When did you find out about your interview? Also, What are your stats such as G.P.A and science G.P.A. I have a 3.4 0verall and a 3.6 science. Did you get any other interviews? I only appplied to this one school. I have heard the interviews for Midwestern U. can be pretty intense because there is a panel of three interviewers that fire questions at you. I dunno we will see how it goes? What can you share about the school. Anyone else know? Later. Phil from IP address 24.217.74.2 |
Arizona Podiatry Schoolby (no login)The new school of Podiatry in Arizona is a state of the art facility with an excellent faculty. I predict that in a few years the Midwestern University Arizona College of Podiatric Medicine will set the gold standard for podiatric medical education, not only for this country, but worldwide. from IP address 69.244.62.179 |
I do know one thing about the Arizona schoolby Maisonneuve (no login)They use a picture of an SCPM graduate in their recruiting materials. In all honesty, I have been hearing a lot of good things about their program. Good luck with your interviews! from IP address 65.54.98.110 |
the truthby RD (no login)If the DPM is a legitimate degree, your bunch would not be trying to gain physician status via the backdoors of offshore diploma-mill 'medical schools.' This fact alone speaks volume about the integrity of chiropodists who always try to be more than who they are. Podiatrists are are not physicians because they've never attended medical school (just look up medical schools accredited by LCME/ACGME). Why is it so hard for podiatrists to face reality? RD (not real M.D.) from IP address 199.4.216.97 |
Backdoor?by (no login)You are mistaken. Your anti-podiatry mentality is getting old and boring. Most DPM's have no reason or desire to go to an "offshore diploma-mill 'medical schools.'" In fact , most people trying to go to schools out of this country are 'would-be' MD's who have not been accepted to medical schools within the US. Get your facts straight before you make the accusations. Most DPM's are making a great living as a PHYSICIAN of podiatry, contributing their expertise to the field of foot and ankle surgery. Al Kline DPM from IP address 24.175.161.120 |
responseby Bob DPM (no login)The solution to RD (Not a real MD) is to stop discussing their points of view. Consider RD an abcess that needs excision and drainage for treatment. RD uses our responses as a blood supply to live. If we ligate them by not responding, they will starve away and choose another profession bother. By the way reviewing their points for discussion, demonstrates that they wanted to be a DPM and either could not get in or failed out during their first year. Let the readership and moderator turn this child off, their intention burst will burn out. Let RD continue to show their maturity by their continued attempts to make the readership feel as bad as they do. I consider the profession of Podiatry for myself Wednesday's child. I had a lot of challenges attending Podiatry school and setting up my own practice. Truly the one of the happiest times was spent in residency. It would be nice if all residency directors were as great as mine. I highly recommend the students check out Hu Hu Kam Memorial-with Dr. Yamada and Dr. Taxier. It is a great residency Thanks again Bob from IP address 207.69.138.203 |
Re: the truthby Annonymous (no login)The truth is, DPM's do not go to medical school, but neither do Vets, and DO's. Are these folks not physicians? I beg to differ. Here is the truth when it comes to physicians: physician: Dictionary meaning . . . phy·si·cian (fĭ-zĭsh'ən) n. 1. A person licensed to practice medicine; a medical doctor. 2. A person who practices general medicine as distinct from surgery. 3. A person who heals or exerts a healing influence. [Middle English fisicien, from Old French, from fisique, medical science. See physic.] *The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2004, 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. Medical phy·si·cian (fĭ-zĭsh'ən) n. (Abbr. phys.) (Abbr. phys.) 1. A person licensed to practice medicine; a medical doctor. 2. A person who practices general medicine as distinct from surgery. *The American Heritage® Stedman's Medical Dictionary Copyright © 2002, 2001, 1995 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Meaning #1: a licensed medical practitioner Synonyms: doctor, doc, MD, Dr., medico *WordNet 1.7.1 Copyright © 2001 by Princeton University. All rights reserved. *Wikipedia physician : A physician is a person who practices medicine. In the United States the term physician is traditional and commonly used. In Britain and Australia, the term doctor is more common as physician refers to specialists in internal medicine. Because of the extensive training requirements, physicians are traditionally considered to be members of a learned profession. Training: In the United States and countries following the U.S. Admissions: Admission into medical school requires either three years of undergraduate study or a four-year post-secondary bachelor's degree from an accredited college or university, depending on medical institution. Most require that the applicant have attained a bachelor's degree prior to matriculation. Admissions criteria include overall performance in the undergraduate years and performance in a group of courses specifically required by U.S. medical schools, the score on the MCAT (Medical College Admissions Test--a national standardized test), application essays, letters of recommendation (number varies, but at least 1 from science faculty and 1 from non-science faculty), and interview(s). The list of courses required are as follows: biology (1 year) general chemistry (1 year) organic chemistry (1 year) physics (1 year) calculus or sometimes statistics (1 year) English composition (1 year) sometimes behavior science and/or biochemistry (1 semester) Medical School: Once admitted to medical school, it takes four years to earn a Doctor of Medicine (M.D.) or Doctor of Osteopathy (D.O.) degree. The course of study is divided into two roughly equal parts. Preclinical study generally comprises the first two years and consists of classroom and laboratory instruction in core subjects such as anatomy, biochemistry, physiology, pharmacology, microbiology, pathology, and neurosciences. Once the student successfully completes preclinical training, he or she moves on to the clinical portion. This usually occupies the final two years of medical school and takes place almost exclusively on the wards of a teaching hospital or, ocassionally, with community physicians. The students observe and take part in the care of actual patients under the supervision of residents and attending physicians. Rotations on clinical services such as internal medicine, surgery, pediatrics, obstetrics/gynecology, and psychiatry are the foundation of this curriculum, but many specialty electives may be chosen as well. Upon completion of medical school, the student earns the title of doctor, but cannot practice independently until completing further training. Also, at a few prestigious universities, there are "honors programs" that admit high school students to both the undergraduate college and the medical school simultaneously; students attend a single seven-year integrated program consisting of three years of undergraduate classes and four years of medical school classes, culminating in a single M.D. degree. Internship: During the last year of medical school, students apply for postgraduate residencies in their chosen field of specialization. These are more or less competitive depending upon the desirability of the specialty, prestige of the program, and the number of applicants relative to the number of available positions. All but a few positions are granted via a national computer match which pairs an applicant's preference with the programs' preference for applicants. The first year of any residency is known as "internship". Completion of this year is the minimum training requirement for obtaining a license to practice medicine in the U.S. Residency: Each of the specialties in medicine has established its own curriculum, which defines the length and content of residency training necessary to practice in that specialty. Programs range from three years after medical school for internal medicine to five years for surgery to eight or nine for neurosurgery. This does not include research years that may last from 1 year up to a completion of a Ph.D. Each specialty incorporates an internship year to satisfy the requirements of licensure. All specialties hold a board exam (either written or written and oral) at the completion of training in order to confer "Board Certification" in that specialty. Fellowship: Certain highly specialized fields require formal training beyond residency. Examples of these are cardiology, endocrinology, oncology after internal medicine; cardiothoracic surgery, pediatric surgery, surgical oncology after general surgery to name just a few. There are many others for each field of study. The training programs for these fields are known as fellowships and their participants are "Fellows" to denote that they already have completed a residency and are "Board Eligible" or "Board Certified" in their basic specialty. Fellowships range in length from one to three years and are granted by application to the individual program or sub-specialty organizing board. Attendings: The physician or surgeon who has completed her or his residency and possibly fellowship training and is in the practice of their specialty is known as an Attending. These are the physicians who may independently care for patients and are the final arbiters of care. They are responsible for all care decisions and may bill for their services. However, medicine is an extremely diverse profession with many options available. Some doctors work in pharmaceutical research, occupational medicine (within a company), public health medicine (working for the general health of a population in an area), or join the armed forces. Since admission requirements, internship, residency and fellowships do not differ either in these respective fields. This is no different for vets and DPM's. I say from these meanings, that most Vets, DPM's , DO's and non-MD 'physicians' are true physicians in every aspect of education and training. So give it a rest RD. from IP address 24.175.161.120 |
Re: the truthby Annonymous (no login)Just because the ACGME and LCME are organizations associated with Medical Doctors, doesn't mean that DPM's are not physicians. Most DPM's are not trying to get and MD degree, because they have no interest in trying to be a general doctor. DPM's specialize in general medicine including rheumatology, sports medicine, dermatology and other subspecialities dealing in the foot and ankle only. DPM's have no desire to be general physicians in any sense of the word. DPM's are the only specialty besides MD and DO, that can prescribe medications and do surgery. Go figure? You also talk about DPM's wanting to get into the medical school through 'off-shore' institutions. I beg to differ. Most DPM's have no desire to get an MD degree in some far-away land. In fact, most DPM's don't want to be MD's because they like the fact that podiatry is already a specialty of the medical field. In fact, most MD's would rather not practive podiatry and leave that to qualified podiatrists. Get the picture? from IP address 24.175.161.120 |
Your so patheticby Caraway (no login)Your freakin pathetic. You are not a doctor of any kind, yet you critisize others who actually are. I can honestly understand why an M.D. may enter this room with negative remarks about podiatry. However, you are not. It appears as though you get some sort of gradification by coming in this forum with the name R.D MD and posing as a doctor. I noticed that you changed you pin to RD(not a real MD)when others, like myself started catching on. Does this mean your finally admitting to everyone just how remarkably ignorant you are? You are nothing but a want to be. Heres some advice, stop watching nip-tuck and others movies that portay MDs and DOs in such a glamourous way and get a life. I consider myself mutual in the arguments posed in this forum. As an undergrad student, I have every intention of applying to Allopathic/Otepathic med schools. However, I visit this room often because podiatry is another option of mine. I thought your arguments were laget. only to find out that you are a fraud. Why are so concerned with the medical field in first place? Now that everyone knows that you are not a real doctor, you just look plain silly. After all the drauma you have started in this forum, I don't think I would have admitted that one "Buddy". In the mean time, have fun going to forums and playing doctor. Wate till I tell all my friends about you. I'm sure they will get a big kick out of your misguided pathetic life. Your, Caraway from IP address 138.47.106.174 |
Podiatry is Alive and Well!!by (no login)I've noticed many posts in this forum are from students inquiring about the future of podiatry and some practitioners who are disgruntled and depressed about their profession as well as some great general input from podiatrists willing to exemplify the positive. All I can say is, the old addage, "one spoiled apple can spoil the bunch" certainly holds true for any profession. Don’t let these few forum Trolls, as I call them, spoil your decision to make podiatry your life’s profession! I am here to say, that podiatry is ALIVE AND WELL and one of the greatest professions you can enter. There will never be a shortage of patients with foot pain and there will always be a place for the podiatrist (unlike the negative comments posted by the nay-sayers). There will never be an MD only profession as long as specialists such as podiatrists stay at the forefront when treating foot and ankle problems. Podiatry is like any business, you will get out of it what you put into it. Of course, it does help to have communications skills and a genuine sense of well-being to ‘do the right thing’. And please, to all you new ‘would be podiatrists’, students, residents and new practitioners . . . podiatry is more than just doing surgery. I found out very early on, that the more conservative your approach to patients, the more successful you will become. You will never have a shortage of patients by putting down the knife and picking up your diagnostic and conservative treatment skills. Many patients coming to you are looking for a different alternative than what the orthopedist, general doc and other allied health professionals offer them. YOU ARE THE SPECIALIST! You are not the general orthopedist and general doctor. We know that just with the passage of managed care, that the best treatment is the treatment that comes from the specialty groups. Don't kid yourself; Managed care is a dismal failure when it comes to treating specialty problems like the foot. So for you would be podiatrists who are looking for the right answers and you just ‘don’t know’ if podiatry is the right profession for you? I can tell you that podiatry is very much alive and well. Remember; don’t let the Forum Trolls get you down. If students or ‘would be’ podiatrists have and questions and would like to discuss this great profession, you can visit our site at http://www.podassociates.net or just contact me at Al@Kline.net Al Kline DPM 3130 South Alameda Corpus Christi, Texas 78404 361-884-3984 from IP address 24.175.161.120 |
RD M.D. Is not fooling anyone.by CLC (no login)I do not think that RD M.D. is a real M.D. because of the time that he spends on this forum. Most physicians spend at least 50 hours a week working. I know the Internal Medicine MD that I shadow sometimes works from 7:30am to Midnight and that is if he is not on call. I think if RD M.D. was a real doctor of any kind he would not have the time to play doctor on this forum. from IP address 138.47.106.174 |
School Rankings?by (no login)Does anybody know where I can find the rankings of the Podiatric schools? from IP address 24.22.141.114 |
Replyby (no login)I'm sure Temple is #1 . . . lol Al Kline DPM 1992 Temple Grad from IP address 24.175.161.120 |
for all M.D./DOsby john (no login)I am an undergraduate student at Louisiana Tech University. I would really like to know what exactly is wrong with podiatry. They seem honest enough. I still have one more year of undergad studies. Upun graduation I plan on applying to Allopathic and Osteopathic med schools. However, If I am not accepted I will probally apply to podiatry school. It seems ludicrous to not pursue a degree in medicine if that is what you truly desire. I think I am a fairly competative med school applicant. My GPA is strong and my MCAT scores are ok. I really would like to know why MDs knock podiatry so much. Some of these guys might have had original intentions of pursuing podiatry. I do realize that some people choose podiatry as a last resort (as will I if not accepted in to med school) but isnt that better than going to a foreign med school? According to the MD that I shadow FMGs are really ruining the MD workforece, they are depleting MD/DO salaries. At least most podiatrist go to US schools. So should you guys really put these guys down because they loved medicine so much that they pursued a medical degree in a field that would make most people vomit. As a mutual undergrad student I see both sides of this argument. It is my UNPROFESSIONAL OPINION, merely my undergraduate opnion, that a lot of the doctors in this forum (MDs,DOs,DPMs) need professional help. A lot of you guys obviously have other problems in life and like to direct them towards other people and the professions thay have chosen. I realize there has been some conflict about the term "physician" and how it is misused. Could a real physician, MD/DO without a chip his shoulder towards podiatry, give me some sound advice. If I offended anyone by my remarks I apologize. I am just a confused student (as I'm sure you all were once) who is looking for some professional advice. -Comments are greatly appreciated- PS-If there are grammer mistakes in this I am sorry My monitor is going out and I can barely read my screen(College students are too broke to by new computers) from IP address 138.47.106.174 |
Medical School Acceptanceby (no login)I'll give you a DPM perspective on this: I'll quote you a paragraph from one of my earlier posts. "People choose their professions based on their life experiences and what gives them a sense of purpose and pleasure. I am reminded how lucky I am everyday to be gifted with loads of talent and skill to help people everyday with their respective foot problems. I sleep great every night knowing I've helped 30 to 40 people that day and brought a better quality of life to that person. When I went to podiatry school, I knew students who left medical school, had 70 on their MCAT and could go to any medical school in the country. I knew one individual who turned down a scholarship to medical school so he could attend podiatry school. Why didn't they go to medical school and chose podiatry school instead? Only they will know. And don't be misguided, Podiatrists treat the whole patient, not just the foot. But how do you ask? We deal with emergency situations, hospital admissions, diabetic foot infections, traumatic injuries everyday. Every good residency program in the country has a podiatry residency in its shadow. Family practioners and even orthopedic surgeons learn from podiatry every day. So, it doesn't really matter what initials you have after your name. The initials only signifies your professional philosophy, not your professional integrity." To me, there is no significance to which profession you choose, only WHY you choose it. Being a medical school 'reject' has its place, no matter how you look at it. Don't look as 'podiatry school as a last resort', look at it as a 'liberation' from the confines of ignorance. Whatever road takes you, do you best and 'be the best'. At the moment, there are more residency programs available to DPM residents than ever before. As residency programs improve and place themselves in more teaching hospitals, the younger MD's and DO's will leave those programs without the prejudice and ignorance that has plagued the MD establishement. The world will be a better place. Good luck in your life choices! Al Kline DPM Al@Kline.net http://www.podassociates.net from IP address 24.175.161.120 |
interesting threadby jk (no login)I think I understand why podiatry is given second-class status. Perhaps, by the traditional measures, podiatry isn't as respected as the MD, but I wonder if most people really care. Ultimately, people just want the pain or infection to end. The best doctor is the one who ends the problem. Medicine, despite it's aspirations to become a science, is still very much an art. What I've also learned (as a patient and observer) is that much of the art is in the diagnosis, not the treatment. To this end, the quantity of doctors and nurses out there is as important as the quality of an individual doctor. Analysis is better done by groups than by individuals. Having different (informal) tiers of medical quality is a good thing. If podiatry wants more respect, they should add a couple more years of study to the coursework, particularly in the hard sciences. It probably wouldn't affect the practice, but it would impress people who find science difficult. The folks who get the additional education can get another letter next to their title. from IP address 66.245.214.18 |
RD M.D.?by (no login)I'm new to this forum and just posted in the section "why podiatry". I then started reading other posts through the forum, mainly by RD. He signs his name RD M.D., doesn't have a login or email to contact. I think RD is an imposter and if he is an M.D., he is a disgrace to his profession! Any real M.D. has respect for other health care professionals, and that includes podiatrists and orthopedists. Any real M.D. knows better. His posts appear to be full of comparisons of an M.D. vs D.P.M. as some kind of hiarchy. Well, this is an old and immature argument of someone who is completely ignorant. We have all run into these type of doctors and its a shame that they can't see past their noses. These doctors who refer only to "my othopedic buddies", etc, etc, etc are missing out. Thank goodness we live in a free country and people can choose their own doctors. Bigotry and ignorance is a vile attitude and does not have a place in medicine. One more thing. We know that our profession has its share of poor practitioners, but I'll bet you can find just as many M.D.'s , including orthopods, who think they own the world, but don't know didly about medicine, patient care, have poor communication skills with patients and have such poor surgical technique , I would'nt even let them tie my shoes. I've seen it from experience. So RD, get off your high horse and come back down to reality. Your argument that podiatrists are all just a bunch of toenail clippers and aren't 'real' doctors, just makes you look that more silly. The winds of change have blown by you like a frieght-train. from IP address 24.175.161.120 |
agree with youby the "fake physician" (no login)I've been answering a few of the more misinformed postings over the past month. From time to time I look into this web site, not leaving my name because you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. But I agree with you that RD has some sort of ax to grind with podiatry. He/She even takes the time to respond to my positive responses in a negative tone. Obviously a person who has been thinking about podiatry too long. Me thinks he doth protest too much as the saying goes, therefore I have come to the conclusion that this is disgruntled podiatrist or worse, a podiatry drop-out. Either way, there is no pleasing these types who seem to gain a perverse satisfaction in attempting to denigrate others. You and I know that any adult worth his weight is way past that stage of seeking acceptance, especially from those who seek to do us harm. That being said, I'll just keep on practicing, making a good living and succeeding in life, while leaving the sour grapes and naysayers by the side of the road. from IP address 64.12.116.74 |
Real Doctor?by J. D. Stellwagen, D.P.M. (no login)Maybe R.D. thinks he is a "real doctor" but he is definately not a physician. Physicians care for people. from IP address 68.155.176.129 |
Re: RD M.D.?by Bob (no login)As I have said many times before. Why is a MD even concerned with our profession of podiatry ? If an allopath or osteopath has time to surf the net writing comments to Podiatry forums; then they are not busy enough. Thanks Podiatry is a great profession--we just have to rise above the Nay sayers Thanks again from IP address 207.69.138.142 |
Podiatry Can be Greatby a.b. (no login)One can be a surgeon, a primary care specialist, a pathologist, a researcher, work w/ people of all ages, socioeconomic status etc.... the hours are NOT 40-50 hours/week but can be a great deal higher. But if you enjoy what you do, you can be successful. from IP address 134.174.248.70 |
PROSPECTIVE STUDENTS do an IP LOOKUPby pfd (no login)Prospective students, do an IP look up on the posters here. You will then have a better idea who is posting what. 1. Begin with a good internet search engine. 2 Type in IP address lookup. 3 Take IP from these forums and insert into IP lookup. 4. Find out who these "concerned" people are. 5. Continue through ten to fifteen pages on this forum. Question, did you see any patterns? from IP address 24.236.207.14 |
Try network-tools.comby Anonymous (no login)I have used network-tools.com for quite a while. They used to be better and do DNS searches but that seems to be broken but at least you can do a traceroute to find out the quasi-geographical location. You can also take some of that information and do a google search to see if you can find them in the newsgroups, etc. Although it is fun and interesting to fish out the naysayers, don't spend too much time srufing - you've got patients to see, charts to sign, or boards to study for from IP address 67.10.181.219 |
IP Lookby Anonymous (no login)Save me the time. what are the patterns? from IP address 24.230.89.216 |
Orthotic Tech for hireby (no login)Hi -- I am interested in making soft custom fit foot orthotics from my home -- primarily using a tri-lam and cork with a top cover if wanted -- I've been doing foot orthotics for the past 8 years -- this ad is for orthotist or podiatrist who would fit the orthotics themselves -- i would just make them and ship them to you -- if you have any questions please email me -- thanks from IP address 68.71.106.209 |
What is the cheapest podiatry school?by Student (no login)I am curious to as to know what the cheapest podiatry school is. I heard OCPM was but I could not find any info on tuition and fees on thier web site. Does anybody know? from IP address 138.47.74.122 |
Re: What is the cheapest podiatry school?by Anonymous (no login)Aint' none cheap son. But all are a wise investment in your future. DO NOT be intimidated by the cost of podiatry school. Borrow very wisely, never more than you absolutely need and pay it back along the way if you can some. Or if you have family resources be thrifty with those. In any event that although it seems like a hell of a lot of money right now, do not wilt, there is a fine well paying job at the end of the tunnel. You'll make back your podiatry tuition in the first year of practice. Mind you I didn't say all the interest and living expenses etc, but the tuition will be recouped before you know it. Then you have umpteen years of pure profit from an investment point of view in your education. Good Luck. And get ready to enjoy your life. from IP address 68.155.176.7 |
Loan Paybackby a.b. (no login)Undergrad College is 15-35K each year = 60K-140K Podiatry School is 30-35K each year = 120-140K That is 180K-280K in student loans, most people who are 18yo and over are on their own, no parent help nor should there be. That's a heck of a debt. We have people in their mid-20's whose parents STILL pay their way. That is obscene, and it is no wonder why these people have trouble dealing in the real world or with reality.. How is one to pay these loans off in their first year of DPM practice as the writer suggests? Plus interest, podiatry only pays ~60-120Kbefore taxes on a 50-60 hr weeks. Figures do not lie. If you choose to go to college or podiatry school, the burdon of payment is on the student, no parental help. You are an adult. IF you chose to go to "higher" education, make sure it is in a valuable trade (maybe even a trade school) with immediate payoffs and financial benefits. It simply does not make any financial or life sense to waste 8 years in very expensive schooling, lost wages during that time, and accruing interest, to be a hypereducated derelict. The world is filled with them. from IP address 134.174.248.70 |
What?by (no login)Base your medical school choice on quality. Be intelligent on how much you borrow and what you spend your money on, and you will be fine. However, if tuition is such a concern, you must also consider cost of living. Commuting and housing in NYC is much more expensive than, let's say, in Iowa. Most of the schools have comparable tuitions. Choose wisely. from IP address 64.12.116.74 |
Re: What is the cheapest podiatry school?by Anonymous (no login)I read something blindingly ovious in the latest issue of Podiatry Management that my old dean, Dr. Yoho, stated: It's 1/2 tuition and 1/2 living expenses. I admit that during pod school I lived like a king with the living expenses budgeted. You don't have to. Get a roomate or 3, consolidate your loans when interest rates are low, try to pay the interest in residency and then enjoy the rest of your life. from IP address 67.10.181.219 |
podiatry school tuitionby (no login)I lived like a pauper during school years and tuition payback was the least of my professional expenses. from IP address 69.68.112.164 |
For DPMs to commentby (no login)Hey ~ For the DPM who reads the forum, I was wondering: Where do you see the field of podiatric medicine in the next ten, twenty years? Ciao! M from IP address 64.81.141.209 |
Futureby Podiatrist (no login)In 10 years; Podiatry will be more integrated into the allopathic team approach to medicine. As more and more podiatrists move up the ladder in hospital politics and become better qualified. Like most of medicine, there will be ups and downs but generally more ups. In 20 years; Podiatry will be a much better trained specialty, possibly with a change of degree altogether to reflect the ongoing trend towards the MD degree. Most likely a dual MD/DPM will be the norm. Nearly all graduates will be trained in residency for three years some even more. Don't worry, podiatry has been around in some form or another since the time of the Pharaohs. We aren't going anywhere. from IP address 64.12.116.74 |
Random Questionsby (no login)Hey ~ I had a couple questions: Why does there seem to be so much negativity surrounding forums that talk about careers in podiatry, physical therapy, etc? People seem to put down those interested in podiatry because "an ortho or PT could do it," or to tell them they're not "really" physicians. I don't understand. Secondly, I'm wondering about shadowing a podiatrist and when that process should start. I'm currently in junior college, about to change to the university. I'll finish my B.S. in two more years. I'll begin the process of applying to podiatry schools in a year, and I haven't yet shadowed a doctor. I've been interested in podiatry for several years, since my mother started having severe diabetic complications. She was an amputee late last year. Thirdly Fourthly - why so much talk all the time about what you're going to make when you're out of school? Are you guys even IN podiatry school? Are you making a decision to go based on the MONEY you'll make when you get out? Help me understand that one, too. Thanks a lot for your help, Mike from IP address 64.81.141.209 |
about podiatryby Podiatrist (no login)Hello, I am a practicing podiatrist, out for nearly ten years. To understand the negativity surrounding some of these podiatry forums you must understand the podiatry degree. The negativity stems mainly from disgruntled former podiatrists, former podiatry students or podiatrists that never achieved their full potential. Why this discord? The DPM degree is not as flexible as the MD or the RN degree even. A DPM must sink or swim in podiatry. Unfortunately, because the podiatry community is small, the opportunites to do something else with this doctorate degree are limited. Many DPM's find this out too late when they graduate residency and are ill-prepared to buy a practice and start working off the bat or start up from scratch (a risky and difficult proposition for any degree). Unlike their colleagues with the MD or even the RN degree, these individuals who put at least 6 years into this degree suddenly find that they cannot just go to an insurance company and do physicals for $100/hour or do research or moonlight in the local ER. The DPM graduate must apply all his effort to work for other podiatrists or join a practice often at a salary that seem measely in comparison to other professions. At first that is! The simple truth is, that once the podiatrists establish themselves in their own practice or hospital staff work, they do better than most other medical specialties. This is not my own finding, it is readily available in the Labor statistics or if you google the best paying medical professions. Bottom line, many struggle at first, those that can weather the storm reap the rewards. from IP address 64.12.116.74 |
LEA text book used in other podiatry schoolsby (no login)Hey i am a student at TUSPM and was wondering what textbook do all the other podiatry schools use for your Lower Extremity Anatomy course. Please let me know. from IP address 129.32.194.68 |
Debbies Dilemmaby (no login)On January 19th a sincere prospective student of our profession expressed concerns about the negativity herein this website and it appears to have caused her great consternation about her choice of profession. Gee did they say the schools are lacking students? from IP address 68.155.165.37 |
our own worse enemiesby Elliot Braun (no login)I can not understand the negitivity in our profession, do these individuals think everything should be handed to them on a silver plater. Podiatry is like any profession, it is a business and if you practice good business you can make a good living at it NO MATER WHAT INITALS YOU HAVE BEHIND YOUR NAME.....in fact I can not understand our fellow collueges they complain that they can not make a living yet I presently have my practice up for sale, I NET well over $250 k a year and have for the past 5 years, I'll even finance it. I though it would be sold in a week but no one wants to leave their mommies and move to a place that they can live a good life ( i live on the beach)and make a fortune. I am slowly lossing faith in the people in our profession, the money is there to be made but it will not happen without an investment in time and effort. from IP address 66.32.144.118 |
My Point Exactly!by Dr. David Stellqwagen (no login)Truely. it is seemingly one of the sadest things to me to see such ungrateful souls. This is indeed an absolutely wonderful profession with a lot of great guys in it. Shure there are some schmucks too, but what profession is without a few of those? I practice with a group of pods in Georgia where the association is strong and the people are definately out here to help each other. All of the guys I know are making a wonderful living for themselves and their families. They are also doing an awesome good for the community. They accomplish sometimes what seem to be miraculous things and indeed they save lives in the literal as well as figurative sense. When That Diabetic patient can't walk and even just go to the grocery store, when they live in constant fear of amputation and or death from the disability they have and then they find help from a podiatrist who decides to CARE FOR THE PATIENT INSTEAD OF THE GOD ALMIGHTY DOLLAR; suddenly miracles happen, lives indeed are restored and great benefit to the community accomplished. Now you money grubbing posters out there, if money is all that matters to you, you are in the wrong profession. Not that podiatrists, myself included don't make a fine living for themselves, but if it's it wealth, real wealth you want, become a magnate of industry or chairman of Boeing, orWells Fargo Bank, or become an actor or pitcher or quarterback, or whatever. Doctoring isn't about the G*d D#mn money. It's about helping others. The money is a side effect! from IP address 68.155.176.7 |
Don't lose Faithby Dr. David Stellwagen (no login) Keep the Faith man. There are a lot of wonderful people in this wonderful profession. They really care for one another. from IP address 68.155.176.7 |
Amen, you can do well!by a. (no login)Amen, if you have lemons, you can make lemonade. The alphabet soup at the end of your name means nothing. How you treat patients, with dignity, respect, and honor. How you treat your colleaugues with dignity, respect, and honor, How you treat your residents, with dignity, respect, and honor. and most importantly how you treat yourself. If you feel like a loser, or inferior, you most likely are. Attitude IS everything. One can do very well, however, "few are willing to pay the price." Robert Kiyosaki. from world-famous book-- Rich Dad, poor Dad from IP address 134.174.248.70 |
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