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Podiatry Schools?

by Em (no login)

Hello,

I've recently decided that I would like to attend podiatry school at one of the seven schools in the country. I'm willing to go anywhere, and I was wondering if someone could give me advice on each of the schools. I have visited the school in Cleveland and liked it, but I'd also like to hear what people have to say about The California school or the Chicago one specifically.

Thanks!

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My advice

by Anonymous (no login)

Look, you will see posts who will try to scare you out of your decision. If you have decided to join a homorable profession, I would focus on the schools integrated into larger universities. Scholl, DesMoines, Barry, and Temple. I would take a serious look at the new school in Phoenix. I visited Midwestern University and was impressed with their state of the art facility. They will be completely integrated into the other medical professions and have heard they are recruiting nationally known faculty.

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Advice part 2

by pod (no login)

After having read ALL the posts on this site and spending time with YOUNG podiatrists in practice for less than 5 years...

I would pick from one of the 4 schools mentioned but you might as well pick one that is geographically closest to where you want to practice. You will learn that many residencies only pick students from certain schools as there seems to be understandings between the schools and certain residency programs.

I disagree with picking phoenix until they get their program going for a few years. Also, I also don't understand why they are starting a school in Arizona which has quite a few podiatrists already. However, this is just my personal opinion. Investigate these points for yourself.

Remeber this is a very important decision involving a decade of your life and over 100K in possible student loans!

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Is There Anybody Home?

by Anony (no login)

Have you read this site? Have you read the malcontents? Have you seen that a major malpractice insurer dropped Pods in Montana? Run the numbers, how much do you think you will make? 180 K for school. What will be your ROI?

Have you seriously considered offshore MD school? I wish I did. You MUST look at this as an investment with a lot of risks.

Have Fun.

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my decision

by Rich (no login)

I interviewed at the Chicago school back in October and decided it wasn't for me. The facility was incredible, but I found out that you have to commute to downtown Chicago for clinicals, and they said it can take 1 1/2 to 2 hours. I was also told that they expect you to be there at 4:00 am sometimes, and thats just not my style. I will be going to school in Des Moines in Auguse, it was just a better fit for me.

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Scholl College

by Scholl Student (no login)

Rich,

I don't know who told you that you will have to commute for clinic, but the clinic will no longer exist downtown. They are moving the main clinic to North Chicago with the University Clinics. There will be no 1 1/2 hour commute. The last day the clinic will be open downtown is 5/27. They will open a small clinic on west Chicago ave. but the majority of students will be at the University clinic at school. As for 4 am...I also don't know who told you that...they might be talking about rotations in general surgery at the hospital during 3rd or 4th year...but that should be expected of you as a professional student. 4 though sounds too early...

I am sorry that you did not think that Scholl was for you and I hope that the above 2 issues weren't deciding factors because they are not true. I really think Scholl is a great school and is the best in my opinion. But its just my opinion. You need to go somewhere that is comfortable for you and where you fit in. You make the most of your experiences, put your best foot forward even though the going is rough. Good luck at DMU but I hope you reconsider Scholl.

P.S. I am not an administrator, only a student.

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Re: Podiatry Schools?

by Anonymous (no login)

I graduated from Scholl in 96. I was very satisifed with the experience and would choose this school again. Plus Chicago is a great place to be during those years of your life. Good luck!

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About the Podiatry Schools

by One Who Knows (no login)

All of the schools are good schools. I don't think you should base your decision on whether the school is affiliated with a medical school. The only tangable benefit to that is the ego boost of saying you took basic science classes with MD or DO students. It really doesn't affect the schooling. In fact, it might leave you less prepared. Think of this--a class taught to all DPM students, even a general one, allows the professor to relate subjects to the task at hand (podiatry) then if the class is full of several professions. Also, where are you certain to never feel like a second-class citizen? A school that puts podiatry first.

What it comes down to is the school you feel most comfortable at. Where do the people treat you well, return your calls, answer your questions, etc. Where do you fit in? What city do you like best, and which one will be the best fit financially (think cost of living---especially rent).

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Podiatry School decision

by (no login)

Em,
I believe that only visiting schools and seeing if you would want to reside in that particular state (city) for four years is really your only method of choosing. You could speak to some post-grads, practicing podiatrists or even students who are currently attending podiatric medical school. Be cautious reading this forum. Opinions are very raw and some (not all) may be unfounded.
If you have read the March 2004 Podiatry Management Magazine you will see that podiatry may be going through a positive, yet possibly turbulent, metamorphosis. You be the judge.
If you would like me to relate my experiences, decisions, etc. then call Warminster Hospital at 215-441-6600 and ask for me or have me paged. I would gladly speak to you objectively about podiatry.
Whatever your decision, as long as you are happy, then you will be successful.

Posted on Mar 16, 2004, 5:42 PM
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pus on bottom of my feet

by (no login)

Hello,

For the past couple years, I have had a recurring foot problem where on the fleshy parts of the bottom of my feet (around metatarsal area, and then the balls of my feet) skin sort of dies and there are white blotches that are easily peelable, sometimes down to the dermis.

In addition, sometimes they are painful, and those painful ones turn out to have pus in them, which I have popped to relieve the pressure. Sorry to be so graphic, but I am assuming this is a medical forum, and you've probably seen and heard of worse.

I cannot find anywhere what this condition is called, nor do I have any idea how to treat it. Sometimes I will peel it or pick at it, sometimes I leave it alone, but it is starting to disturb me, and I want to improve my foot health in a substantial way.

I am hoping someone can email me or help provide some advice as to what to do. Thank you, Dave

Posted on Apr 6, 2004, 11:22 PM
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TUSPM

by 4th year (no login)

TUSPM is the harvard of podiatry school. I have had the best 4 years of my life here and most of my classmates and I will get any residency program in the nation that we want. If you don't believe me talk to the top residency directors throughout the nation. So my advice to you would be to look into the Temple University School of Podiatric Medicine. I have learned so much and feel 100% confident in handling a pt from head to toe by myself and with the attending MD's and DO's. We are treated on par with all other medical students at Temple and the 20 some other hospitals that we do rotations at, and we are expected to manage all aspects of our patients. Just look into it, but I'm sure the other schools are well rounded as well so look into them too. Good luck in your search.

Posted on Mar 29, 2004, 11:50 AM
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Buying Practice

by Larry K. (no login)

I bought a practice for $360,000 and I'm currently grossing $430,00 - does this sound like a fair deal?

Posted on Feb 21, 2004, 3:13 PM
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fair deal

by pod (no login)


There was an article in podiatry mgt. about using the future value equation to determine fair market value.

Here goes:

FV=PV(1+i)^T

If I were to buy this practice I would want to make a 15% return on my money but that is just me. Perhaps 10% is a fair rate but I would want more to cover the risks inherent in this business. This equation forces you to look at buying this business as an investor would. In other words, does the investment make sense from a rate of return standpoint.

Here is how this equation works:

you take 430K-75K(salary you must pay yourself)=
355K/2 = 177.5K net earnings * remember that you don't count your own salary in the true net.

Next you multiple the true net income x 20 177.5x20years = 3,550,000 (this extra amount is what you are truly buying as an investor in today's money)

3,555,000= Present value (1.15)^20 = 216,992

so solving for present value or the value in today's money you get 216K assuming a 15% rate of return x 20 years.

at 10% interest PV = 529K

So in other words, if you think a podiatry practice is no riskier than the top 500 companies in the U.S. you should be willing to pay 529K to get a 10% rate of return.

If alternatively you are concerned that this business faces risks such as medicare changes, new competition, your own disability, failure of old owner to truly quit, HMO penetration, etc. you might want to earn a higher rate of return and therefore pay less for his practice.

I would not pay a nickel over 216K but I am cheap.
Also, make sure that your CPA get these gross figures directly from the IRS. DO NOT trust his numbers of just his P&L statement. Make sure that these are the numbers that he reported.

Good luck. Get professional help.

Posted on Feb 21, 2004, 11:11 PM
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Re: Buying Practice

by Dr. M (no login)

If the practice did not come with purchasing the building property then you buddy got bent over. A rough estimate of how much a practice is worth without property is 50% of one years net.

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Market Value

by anon (no login)

A practice is as valuable as someone will pay for it, nothing more, nothing less.

My 2 cents, lol.

Posted on Mar 7, 2004, 7:42 PM
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Buying practice

by Larr y K. (no login)

That's what I thought. Should I sue??

Posted on Mar 8, 2004, 12:39 PM
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Interesting.

by pod (no login)

I remember when you heard of people paying one year's gross for a practice. Then it changed to one year's net and now we are hearing 1/2 of one year's net.

I guess when it is my turn to sell, I will be serving an order of fries along with my practice.

:)


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Untitled

by podman (no login)

Doom and gloom is over. Everybody starting this year will get at least a PSR24. PPMRs and PSR12s will be completely phased out by 2008! Good for me because I'm going to pod school!GOD BLESS

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Re: Untitled

by Dr. M (no login)

Here is a little reality wake up call for you, how many rearfoot procedures do you think you are acctually going to see in a clinical setting in the average podiatric office? Answer, 1 or 2 a year if you are lucky. In this happy malpractice era, is it worth taking on the liability to do a triple for a measly 700-800 bucks for 4 hours of back breaking work and then be married to the patient. All it takes is one law suit to go from paying 2-3 grand a year to paying as much as 20-60 grand a year. Swallow that when you decide to do a triple on a potentially sue happy patient!
You think doom and gloom is over, think again, what rock have you been hiding under, why do you think so many docs are leaving the states they practice in. Its because they cant afford their malpractice premiums. PS it doesnt matter whether you win or lose your malpractice case, just being named and going to trial, dramatically increases your malpractice insurance. Bust of luck to you I hope you land a PSR-48 and get to do all the surgury you want, wow how lucky you are huh.

Posted on Mar 9, 2004, 11:14 PM
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to Dr.M

by podman (no login)

Here is what I understood your message to be: In the words of P.Diddy,"Mo' money mo' problems." And I will land my PSR48 because I have something most people dont have, belief in oneself...peace out
Andre V. Medvadanco '08

Posted on Mar 14, 2004, 10:31 PM
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Amen Podiatry

by Dr. B (no login)

Agree, how many rearfoots is the pod really going to do? This US is so lawsuit happy that for the lousy 500-700 for 4-5 hours of work it is really worth it? Then that patient is your for LIFE. Enjoy, learn bunions, hammertoes and the real basics and be ETHICAL and MORAL. Treat each patient as a family member and publish in real journals.

Posted on Mar 16, 2004, 2:44 PM
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Incorporating Hyperbaric O2 into private office setting

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I am curious to know if any of our health care providers reading these postings have a full size hyperbaric oxygen tank incorporated with their practice. I am planning on building an office in next year and I do a fair amount of Diabetic wound care. I am exploring the the pro's and con's of purchasing a single tank. Any thoughts regarding acquistion, guidelines, clinical success and or failures with this modality and reinbursement issues, and codes would be greatly appreciated. Please feel free to contact me at my email address:
Nevadadoc@aol.com

Sincerely,

Eric Richardson, DPM

Posted on Feb 18, 2004, 12:20 PM
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I don't like your jive, 1985!

by pod (no login)

I guess that every generation thinks that they have it the worst. Here is my take on 1985 v. 2004.

1985- much lower podiatrist/population resulting in many relatively non-competitive places to start a practice. How many of you 1985 grads had an opportunity to start private practice in metro areas.
Compare that to now when a new grad who picks a large metro is either foolish or doesn't mind eating catfood for a decade.

1985- student loan interest was deductible. Now the interest is largely non-deductible.

1985- you were allowed to fail in this field. Now student loans CAN NOT BE FORGIVEN unless of course you die or are seriously maimed!! Am I the only one who understands the danger in this? I like podiatry but I feel very sorry for my classmates who didn't make it. They are ruined for the rest of their lives.

1985- tuition was a fraction of what it is today. I remember the older docs mentioning how they paid for podiatry school with part time jobs, etc. Try that now when tuition is 20K+/year NOT including room and board.

1985- the top boards were available to all comers regardless of residency. Now we have a two tiered system where many former grads are forever locked out of the "official" surgical boards. It's funny how the grandfathering stopped for my generation!!!

--So Sir, I know the great mountain of your generation was "getting the residency" and I am thankful that new grads have more opportunities for training. However, when I take everything in consideration, the 80's had better music, better looking girls, and a better climate in podiatry.

Just my two cents.

Posted on Feb 9, 2004, 10:47 PM
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Not Jive just making a point

by Anonymous (no login)

You missed the point. I do not think my "generation" had any harder or easier than any other. It was the previous posts that suggested we had it easier.
Every generation has issues. Different but equally as important. When I see people trying to tell me that we had/have it made, I feel they are arrogant and selfish.
This holds true for all professions. There are people who identify problems and fix them and there are others who only complain. Look you are entitled to your opinions but that's all they are. For some reason things you and a few others say are the "facts" but when some rebuts them, disagrees, or has another opinion they are labeled delusional, out of touch, and from another era that had it made.
In my opinion many things that were problems have improved or been fixed by "my generation". Residency, hospital privileges are a couple. We worked hard to fix them and everyone benefitted. We did shout when denied privileges or a residency that the profession screwed us or the schools were to blame. We just fixed them. Now it's your turn to step up to the plate.
You and others have identified issues. Only you know if and how they affect you. Fix them or shut up. Don't tell me your issues can't be resolved or how I work in a conspiracy to stop you. That's a cop out.
My opinion and jive.

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can anyone tell me

by Anonymous (no login)

how much truth there is to the claim that if Governor Pataki's budget gets passed, then it will end all New York residencies?

Posted on Feb 7, 2004, 10:07 PM
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Re: can anyone tell me

by Anonymous (no login)

How can DPM's exist in NYC if this passes.... it seems pretty grave to me.

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Pott's fracture

by tigerstyle (no login)

May I ask for help on how to repair a Pott's fracture? Thank you doctors...student

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this is sad

by student (no login)

No one is responding to clinical questions, and you wonder why people don't respect you. SAD.

Posted on Feb 11, 2004, 11:13 PM
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hypersensitivity and plantar wart treatment

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I sent a question yesterday but realized I put in the wrong email address for a response. I have a patient (I'm a pediatrician) with a plantar wart treated with cryo 2 weeks ago. She had previously tried otc med and used some again after the cryo until about 3-4 days before I saw her when she stopped because it looked like the wart would fall off. She was admitted to the hopital with a cellulitis of the foot but I wonder if this was a hypersens. reaction. She had developed severe itching 3 days before and had tender redness and swelling but the skin had an irregular "lumpy" texture over the plantar surface and up the medial side of the foot. I had previously seen a child with giant bullae on the plantar surface of his foot after treatment for a plantar wart. Any one else see this problem? Is this common?

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Re: hypersensitivity and plantar wart treatment

by Anonymous (no login)

I have seen minor localized cellulitis after cryo and home salicytic patches. I have never seen a cellulitis that was so severe as you described. It probably is a hypersensitivity reaction especially is she is not showing systemic signs of infection. I have never seen this though and I would imagine it is rare.

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Hypersensitivity to plantar wart

by podiatrist (no login)

I believe your patient probably pick with their wart while it was in a period suseptible to becoming infected. I have seen this personally several times with my patients treating themselfs with OTC sal acid meds. My opinion is that it was a real infection.

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Realities of Podiatry

by Anonymous (no login)

You should read the January 2004 Young Members Exchange newsletter to see some of the harsh realities of real world podiatry.

Posted on Feb 2, 2004, 9:12 AM
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Where do I go to...

by Anonymous (no login)

...to get the January 2004 Young Members Exchange Newsletter?

Posted on Feb 3, 2004, 1:53 PM
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Podiatry Concerns

by j.a.b. (no login)

The issue is and mostly likely forever will be:

Those that cannot comphrehend that they made a deadly decision joining podiatry and therefore must be in denial to anyone who proclaims reality.

Many generally dismiss factual comments and are deemed "disgruntled" or losers, or other degrading naive comments. It that very attitude that demonstrates that overwhelming ignorance in the podiatry community and stains it. In fact, back in2002, the ACFAS even had meeting addressing podiatry major concerns, many voiced and echoed that statements on these websites, yet there was also the old guard who thought everything was peaches and herb. How sad, to enjoy apathy, and not take a stand independently.

Those that could not earn acceptance into MD/DO/DDS school, and therefore have an inferiority complex, that is the very reason one see "BA" at the end of DPMs names in some instances and there hyperactive response to anything justifiably critical of podiatry.

Those that do not understand the concept of a truly high quality education, most came to podiatry school from lower tier colleges (this is NOT a pejorative put-down, merely the facts w/o PR rhetoric) and therefore cannot understand that podiatry schooling is quite poor in many respects both didatically and clinically.

The politics of those "surgeons" and those who are not hurts this profession b/c of poor quality, inconsistent training. ALl the statements and wordsmithing will NOT change podiatry. Podiatry must be changed from the ground up not window dressing or minor BS changes that are merely word games.


There are no loan repayment programs and it is 2004, unless one counts those Indian reservation spots of or 3 people that is it. OTherwise, one can fail in business, get $$$ for airline bail-outs or spend money on a war and get away with it. Student loans are forever, liens, tax levies, forzen assets, etc... are a FEW of the ways Uncle Sam will try to get their money if you default on student loans. Moreover, many cannot even pay the bare minimum of interest. $600-700
per month JUST in INTEREST is common and many cannot even pay that. Therefore neg. amortization occurs and can be deadly.

Podiatry may offer some financial rewards, however, at what cost, what benefit?

For the priveledge of making toes straight and fixing bunions, one must decide is this risk really worth it?
It is not 1985 anymore.

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1985

by Anonymous (no login)

You are correct it is not 1985.
1985 50% or less received any residency and 95% were one year in duration.
2004 99.9% get residency programs most are multiple years. Within 6years all will standard 2-3 year programs

1985 Hospital let alone surgical privileges were difficult if not impossible to acquire
2004 hospital access and full scope is the norm.

1985 few employment opportunities for any salary. You either bought a practice or opened up cold.
2004 job openings including orthopedic and multi disciplinary groups.

1985 student loans were lower but at 12-18% interest. Business loans were at 11-15%. Combined loans(student/business) were higher than today's school loans. Repayment was within 10 years and les for business loans.
2004 loan interest can be less than 3% and spread out over 30 years.

1985 Those who were fortunate to get a residency were paid on average less than 6,000/annum and were typically in small or inner city hospitals.
2004 Salaries average in the mid to high 20s with many in large teaching hospitals and paid the same as their MD/DO counterparts.

1985 no Podiatry school was affiliated with a medical school
2004 3 are.

1985 those who had trouble didn't blame others
2004 Today they complain about everyone but themselves and try to attack and damage the profession under the veil that they are helping by warning.

you are correct,
my opinion

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Agree, actually.

by j.a.b. (no login)

Yes, but is the training truly rigorous, many do not have student loans at 3-4% but were locked in at much higher rates WITH NO way to refinance like mortgages and are in negative amortization hell as the useless APA sits by and merely collects dues or buys dinners. The rest I agree on, however being part of a medical school may not concur true medical knowledge or being taught in the SAME classes with the SAME tests and SAME grading. However, this profession has used misrepresentation to sell this profession to 20 somethings with false 40 work weeks, no beepers, and cartoon CD-ROMs that were embarrassing and filled with mistruths.

Posted on Feb 10, 2004, 3:00 PM
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hmm

by future pod? (no login)


i just recently interviewed at temple, and their school seemed to have a pretty good program. also the area has several hospitals. the school has MDs teaching classes. also, the clinic had many patients coming through.

is opportunity really hard to find?

i was thinking of going into sports medicine and maybe becoming a team doctor-i think thatd be pretty cool and i could bank.

what do you think?

Posted on Feb 11, 2004, 2:45 PM
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Opinion and some advice

by t. nichols (no login)

I graduated PCPM then it was changed to Temple when I graduated, the best experiences were the patients. The teaching was generally mediocre with the exception of a few classes. Hopefully, the teaching is much more clinically and hospital based rather than sitting in boring classes and learning about a bundle branch block but actually doing and seeing patients with this pathology. You may be better off looking into sports med as an orthopod (md, or do) b/c they are THE team docs, or perhaps you may opt for a podiatry consultant for sports-related injuries. Keep in mind the term sports med because tapping, strapping, and casting is what a ATC, PT, PA, or other professional can do and do not need a pod to do this (which is an inherent problem in podiatry in that several others can do your job). Best of luck,

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Who are the MDs Teaching the Classes?

by anon (no login)

Yes, MDs may be teaching BUT are they board certified in their area of expertise, are they CURRENTLY practicing in their area of expertise. When I was in Philly, some did indeed have MDs. However, they had foreign degrees and many could not get certified in this country and could not legally see patients and were very removed from the medical scene and hospitals. Basically their foreign MD degree was merely an academic designation. Rather have a DPM or other prof that is in the trenches of healthcare than an arm chair MD.

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Problems with walking due to one foot larger

by (no login)

Hi,
I'm an 18 year old male. I have one foot that is larger than the other by three fourths of a shoe size(my right foot is larger). When walking barefoot, I feel fine, but when wearing shoes it almost feels like my right foot is higher up than my left foot, and I feel an imbalance between the two feet, which is really annoying me. Do I need to get an insert for my left foot? If so, should I get one for the bottom of the shoe, or one that slides in the back? If you can offer me any information I’d appreciate it.
Thanks a lot,
Matt

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Re: Problems with walking due to one foot larger

by david (no login)

go to a podiatrist for a thorough evaluation

Posted on Feb 5, 2004, 9:24 PM
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This process needs help

by Gerald (no login)

We need to bag the current residency selection process and look at alternatives. Residencies want the best students to fill their positions (obviously). It is a well known fact that GPA and the ability to evaluate an ankle fracture in a hotel room is not the way to pick that individual. There are many qualified individuals that have 2.5. Conversly, there are the morally bankrupt, unethical students with GPAs of 3.9. I know a few personally.

The process is unorganized, unethical, inaccurate, and is in desperate need of serious reevaluation.

My opinion.

Posted on Jan 30, 2004, 8:19 PM
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you should see our 1st year residents

by not telling (no login)

They are so so dumb, common sense is even lacking. What are they teaching these kids in podiatry school. How did they even get through high school. Foe example here is a scenerio-episode of gas gangrene that the 1st year resident did not tell anyone and signed off for nursing to do dressing changes

Posted on Jan 28, 2004, 8:48 AM
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MOTIVE

by TM KATZ (no login)

PERHAPS THE FORUM MASTER WILL ANSWER A QUESTION

WHY DO THEY SELECT SOME ITEMS TO TRASH AND THEY
LET THIS GARBAGE BE POSTED?

WHAT IS POINT TO ALLOW THIS MESSAGE TO BE POSTED ?

1. HURT THE FEELINGS OF THE PODIATRIST WHO DID NOT GET
A RESIDENCY ?
2. POINT OUT THE PROBLEM WITH CURRENT RESIDENCY SELECTION PROCESS ?
3. MAKE THE STUDENT/RESIDENTS FEEL BAD BECAUSE THEIR TRAINING IS POOR ?
4. MAKE THE SCHOOL DEANS FEEL BAD BECAUSE THEIR EDUCATION PROCESS IS POOR AT THE COLLEGES ?
5. MAKE THE AUTHOR FEEL GOOD BECAUSE THIS IS THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN FEEL GOOD BY MAKING OTHER FEEL BAD ?
6. TO SPUR COMMENT BECAUSE THIS FORUM IS HARMFUL AND NOT HELPFUL-IT IS A PROBLEM AND SHOULD BE PUT DOWN
IT IS LIKE A BAD ACCIDENT YOU DO NOT WANT TO LOOK BUT YOU HAVE TO BECAUSE OF THE HORROR
AS USUAL IT IS A LIE

Posted on Jan 28, 2004, 10:43 PM
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Re: MOTIVE

by Anonymous (no login)

Turn off the CAPS it's annoying thanks

Posted on Jan 30, 2004, 6:38 PM
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Angry and Sad Feelings

by j.m. (no login)

Unfortunately, poor quality training and schooling does occur in podiatry particularly b/c the training is a 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th choice for some not all however. There are a few that are excellent docs and surgeons.

Dr/Mr. Katz states that making people feel bad is offensive or does nothing. Quite the contrary, sir/madam, it is that very angry, bad feelings that make people become proactive, and cause POSITIVE change to help all not just the select few.
For over 150K in student loans one has every right to make a factual opinion of their training,s choolin etc.. and warn others of a deadly mistake career wise. Student loans follow you unless you (1) die, (2) are a vegatable can declare chp 9 or 11 even though the airliners get their taxpayer bailouts?!! Anyone want to vote??

Those sad and invigoratingly angry feelings are
just what Don Quixote felt as he was being blown by the winds on the river raft.

Posted on Jan 30, 2004, 11:35 AM
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Re: Angry and Sad Feelings

by TM KATZ (no login)

GIVEN THAT ALL OF THE PRESENT COMPLAINTS
HAVE NOT SPIRTED A CHANGE IN THE PROFESSION THUS FAR

THESE FEELINGS ONLY UNDERMINE THE PROFESSION

YES TO BE CERITIFIED YOU NOW NEED A 2 YEAR RESIDENCY
BUT WHAT OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS WHO CANNOT GET
ANOTHER RESIDENCY.

YES I TIRED THIS YEAR (OUT 10 YEARS) WANTED A PSR
ONE DIRECTOR TOLD ME IN THE HOTEL ROOM-
WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE ????
WE WANT A YOUNGER PERSON TO MOLD TO OUR THINKING

PERHAPS ONLY A FEW DIRECTORS READ THIS FORUM

BEHAVIOR WILL NOT BE CHANGED BY ANGER OR SAD FEELINGS

YES PROACTIVE BEHAVIOR IS THE ANSWER

SET UP PROGRAMS SO THAT US OLD GUYS WHO WANT THE ADDED
TRAINING CAN GET IT.
A UNIFORM RESIDENCY SYSTEM WHERE ALL THE SCHOOLS WILL PARTICIPATE AND INSURE EVERY STUDENT GETS THE PG TRAINING THEY NEED.
UNIFORM STANDARDS FOR TEACHERS OF PODIATRY (EXAMPLE
DMU CPMS LOST ANOTHER PROFESSOR TO AZ-HIRED A GRADUATE FROM THEIR OWN ALUMINI) ARE THE OTHER SCHOOLS EXPERIENCING THIS ?

OH BY THE WAY I AM OLD I NEED THE CAPS ON

Posted on Feb 7, 2004, 11:29 PM
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YOUNGER ARE MORE NAIVE AND IMPRESSIONABLE

by JAB (no login)

YES, THE YOUNG, THE NAIVE, AND THE IMPRESSIONABLE ARE WHAT EMPLOYERS AND PODIATRIC RESIDENCY 'DIRECTORS' WANT B/C THEY LACK A BACKBONE AND WANT TO MOLD OTHERS WITHOUT ANY INDIVIDUAL THOUGHT-SIMILAR TO THE 1950's MENTALITY. WE MUST ENSURE THAT EVERYTHING EARNS A RESIDENCY REGARLESS OF THEIR GENDER, AGE, ETC... THIS FACTUAL FORUM HAS EXISTED SINCE 1999, AND NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE BY THE APMA, OTHER OTHER BS PODAITRY COMITTEES THAT PLAY WITH SEMANTICS-PROACTIVE CHANGE BOTTOM TO TOP-NOW, WE NEED THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN THE RIGHT POSITIONS WITH INTEGRITY, HONOR, AND SUBSTANCE.

Posted on Feb 9, 2004, 12:39 PM
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Perhaps

by Anonymous (no login)

Just a thought but perhaps the reason you can not acquire a residency when you are "old" is for the same reason you couldn't when you were young. If even one half of the attitude you have on this forum appeared during your residency interview, why would you expect to match.
Residency directors want mature, confident, ethical, politically sensitive individuals who have sound thought processes. Grades are only one part. If the person has a strong clinical approach isn't arrogant and is liked by the patients, nursing/attending staff then they are a good choice.
We do care who we select. We hope that they will be able to succeed and train the next generation. Do I care about the age? Of course not? If someone you described as "old" sincerely wanted to return to improve their training to help others and demonstrated a good work ethic and current knowledge then they would have an equal shot. But if they were only there for selfish reasons, arrogant, had a chip on their shoulder, or despised their chosen profession, why should I give away a spot for a new graduate who cares and loves their profession.
My opinion....

Posted on Feb 9, 2004, 8:33 PM
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Who "loves" podiatry? Chips on Shoulder Justified

by Jab (no login)

Yes, however, The numerous problems in podiatry have resulted in many being justifieably angry and resulted in those that do not "love" their "chosen" profession.

Posted on Feb 13, 2004, 11:43 AM
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That explains it

by Anonymous (no login)

Look, if you do have a chip on your shoulder and do not like your profession that will show. All I am saying is do not expect to match a residency spot when it could be given to someone who doesn't carry this baggage.

Posted on Feb 13, 2004, 8:35 PM
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What/who are "politically sensitive individuals?"

by jab (no login)

The term: "politically sensitive" was used, what does this mean? Honesty is the best and only policy. Thank you.

Posted on Feb 13, 2004, 1:03 PM
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Politically sensitive

by Anonymous (no login)

In the post's context it was meant to mean an individual who will be a team player. This means respecting everyone they interact with and that will not do things that may disrupt the care of patients or impede education.

Honesty is expected but would I take someone who would do or say something that may be inappropriate? Of course not.

If you want an explaination of inappropriate you are right you probably wouldn't match.
My opinion.....

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What if an attending is doing something unethical/illegal?

by h.t. (no login)

Many residents are afraid to speak out for fear of retribution or retialition especially in such a small profession as podiatry. I would think that an indepedent thinker who is ethical, diplomatic, and stands up for patients rights is a lot more respected tand integral to a practice than a yes man "team player."

Posted on Feb 17, 2004, 1:02 PM
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Agreed

by anonymous (no login)

If you read my previous posts I said that all of those qualities are important as well. Independent yes, disruptive or one that does not follow the chain of command no.
If you have an unethical attending, tell your director. If it's your director expose them to the CPME.
However make sure you perception is correct. Many novice doctors see things differently than those with experience. I remember a resident who felt a triple arthrodesis on a 12 year old was criminal. After review of the case this severely deformed foot in a syndrome patient had no other option after exhaustive conservative care.

Posted on Feb 19, 2004, 1:14 PM
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I need a Residency

by Dr. Haullux (no login)

Hello,

I might give your program a shot. I have been out of school a while & never pursued the profession. Though I do study podiatry a little evreyday.

Our school was horrible, so what can you expect.
They had & still hace a massive turnover of instructors. It was a real bad deal going to that school. Other schools where better & I should have gone to one of those, as I was accepted at all I applied.

Let me know if you are looking for the upcoming year.

Dr. Hallux, the lost podiatrist

Posted on Feb 5, 2004, 8:36 PM
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To: You have made your point

by pod (no login)

Dear Sir:

My point was not that "nobody should enter podiatry school"

My point was that we need to have full disclosure on the good points and bad points in our profession. I think we can decrease the number of disgruntled folks by giving realistic expectations.

Let us stop the 40 hour work week with six figures "sell" and let kids know that they are facing a decade of more of hard work and sacrifice.

Let us disclose that student loans are for keeps!

Let us disclose that major metro areas are difficult to enter due to high competition and closed managed care panels

Let us disclose that medicare may significantly lower reimbursements in the near future.

Let us disclose that few associateships pay enough to cover 150K in student loans

So my point is.... Disclose now or pay later.

Just my opinion.

Posted on Jan 26, 2004, 7:42 PM
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There goes any medicaid monies.

by anaonymous (no login)

I read with some interest today on Barry Block's newsletter that N.Y. Medicaid funding for podiatry may be discontinued- due to budgetary constraints. I believe Texas announced something similar a few weeks ago. Alabama went through this in the early 1980's... when the state was in a deficit mode. Funding never was restored per recollection, even when the state finances improved. Litigation was unsuccessful ( I beleieve the case was Silvers, vs. Baggiano). I believe that many of the pods in the state have actuallly signed agreements to waive the 20% co-payment on the medicare-medicaid patient population. Potential students would be WISE to think THRICE (or more) before even remotely considering podiatry school. I feel sorry for those of you in school and in programs. Potential students should avail themselves to the materials that the Cal. College President of several years ago (Dr. Levy, I believe) pledged to put together . I believe he called it a policy of "full disclosure" of the numerous problems that podiatry faces. In my opinion, the worst foreign medical school would be a far better bet than ANY podiatry school. I had taken my admission test for dental school- not pursuing that was the single worst error in judgement in my life. anonymous

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Which one?

by Anonymous (no login)

I just read Barry Blocks newsletter of today (26 Jan) and have no idea where you saw this. I couldn't find it to put it in context.

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Uncle Sam?

by SPDPM (no login)

Does anyone ou there have any substantive information about Podiatry in the Armed Forces.

I met with a Army and Air Force recruiter in the last month. They are essentially headhunters.

After a PSR24 and 5 yrs of private practice, I'm looking for a job. It appears practicing in the military environment is a 7-4 type job.

Info would be appreciated.

Thank You

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CPME Does a Fine Job

by k.o. (no login)

During my "residency training", the training (albeit minimal) was a joke. Finally, the CPME came in for a comp. review. Boy was the residency 'director" scared, they manufactured such docs it was not even funny. Finally, during the one on one sessions with the CPME people we chatted for a while while the 'director" was outside. They stated a warning/probation has been placed on the program and that that program had a long history of poor training etc... Funny, it is a 3yr program at a well known hospital.

Posted on Jan 27, 2004, 1:39 PM
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Re: Uncle Sam?

by RJ (no login)

I know the Army puts podiatry in with their Allied Health core; podiatrists are not considered physicians. Therefore, there are salary/benefits/retirement discrepancies, so you might want to look into it carefully. I believe you enter with a rank of Captain, but there is no real upward mobility.

Posted on Feb 19, 2004, 12:14 PM
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WHERE IS MY MESSAGE TO 2ND GENERATION POD

by TM KATZ (no login)

WHERE IS MY MESSAGE

I ASKED REAL QUESTIONS AND PODIATRY FORUM

CENSORED THEM

WHATS UP

IN THE WORDS OF TOM CRUISE

I WANT THE TRUTH

OH YEAH JUST LIKE JACK SAID I CAN HANDLE THE TRUTH
PERHAPS THE FORUM CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH
?????????????????????????????/

Posted on Jan 24, 2004, 10:19 PM
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Re: WHERE IS MY MESSAGE TO 2ND GENERATION POD

by PW (no login)

Very strange. Some of my responses don't get posted either. Unfortunately, this does not seem to be a very balanced forum. I wish there were a forum for those interested in podiatry. This forum seems to be for those who are hostile towards podiatry.

Posted on Jan 26, 2004, 11:20 AM
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Many Are Justifiably Hostile

by j.m. (no login)

Reality is reality, many have justifiable concerns and major issues that are unique to podiatry chose another career like DDS, or DVM, PA, NP, if you like feet that much become a foot/ankle orthopod.

You will be able to make a decent living.

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What does it take?

by Marina (no login)

Hello
My husband is getting ready to start medical school. I have, as of late, become quite interested in podiatric medicine. I graduated from a big ten school with a 3.3 gpa and a BS in technology and management. I have not had any of the undergrad science classes required for pod school. What are avg stats of accepted pod students? Without "playing the race card" I am a minority (chicana), does that play a big role in admissions? Thanks for any and all input. I am new to the forum and excited about being here!

Marina

Posted on Jan 20, 2004, 9:55 PM
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You can get in.

by (no login)

There is no doubt that you can get in. There is still not enough applicants for every seat in every school. That means that (almost) everybody gets in.

You dont have to play the race card. Or the gender card.

Please read most messages on this Forum.

You will notice that we use our name in our posts. And our Email address and phone number. If you wish to talk about podiatry, after we listen closely, we will be happy to answer your questions.

CPRJ
504-621-1670

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TROUBLED

by BOB DPM (no login)

PERHAPS IT IS JUST ME

I AM DISTURBED-IT MAY BE THE FACT THAT I HAD TO CLOSE MY 2.7 YEAR PRIVATE PRACTICE BECAUSE OF NOT GETTING ON
INSURANCE PLANS-NOT GETTING PAID BY THE PATIENTS
WHO OWE ME EVEN AFTER SENDING THE LAW.

SO I A LITTLE ON EDGE-BUT THE IDEA OF PLAYING THE RACE CARD MAKES ME SICK TO MY STOMACH

I HAVE JUST RECEIVE THE NOTICE FOR ABPOPPM DESPITE BEING BOARD QUALIFIED-GUESS WHAT
NOW I CANNOT BE BOARD CERTIFIED BECAUSE I ONLY HAVE
A PPMR-12
GIVE ME A BREAK-I REFLECT ON MY CLASSMATES IN SCHOOL AND IN RESIDENCY
OH YEAH THEY ARE FAR SUPERIOR BECAUSE ALL OF THOSE
DMU GOT PSR
THE BOTTOM LINE
THIS PROFESSION HAS PROBLEMS ALL A-FOOT
I WILL BEGIN MY JOB SELLING MEDICAL SUPPLIES
NEXT WEEK TO PAY OFF MY DEBT
BELIEVE ME I WILL NOT FORGET OR FORGIVE THIS
PROFESSION

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to marina

by pod (no login)

Dear Marina,

I would read every post on this site and then come back with questions. Every career has its pros and cons.

Here are some questions that you might want to answer before making a decision.

1. What will my likely student loan debt be?
2. Will the stress of having two spouses in a medical program affect my marriage?
3. What area of the country am I looking to practice in?
4. Am I looking for a job when I get out or am I looking to own or start my own practice?
5. If I am lookig for a job, what is the average starting salary of pods after residency? (Find classified ads and get the information DIRECTLY from these actual employers!)--they will tell you if you ask.
6. Does this salary provide fair compensation for the loans that I need to take out?
7. In a worst case scenario, what happens to me if I can't pay back student loans? Are they removed by bankruptcy?

Buena suerte

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Re: What does it take?

by PW (no login)

I had 3.3 cumulative, 3.7 science, 23 MCAT

Posted on Jan 26, 2004, 11:16 AM
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Improve

by 2nd generation DPM (no login)

I am a second generation DPM and currently in my second year of residency. Like most newbies, I have a large student debt and concerns that what made my father a successful man may not lead to my own success.

However, I see many Podiatrist who are ethical, skilled, wealthy and happy. The fact is Podiatry has taken huge strides in a very short time. My father is a confident and well respected Podiatrist in a large metropolitan city full of competing podiatrist and foot and ankle orthopaedics. He did not have the opportunity to do a surgical residency. He had to teach himself how to do surgery. He and his collegues worked together to fight for their place as accepted health professionals. Yes, he was lucky to practice during the "golden ages" of medicine, but he was successful because he did something about it to make it better. He remained positive. Became politically active and eventually became the chairman of his state;s medical board.

His good friend's of podiatry became some of the first residency directors and became the first podiatrist to demand hospital priveledges and receive them.

Now look at the profession: residency is not only available to every student graduating from podiatry school, but DPMs are in three year programs and trained along side MDs and DOs in hospital settings. DPMs are potentially as well if not better trained in the art of foot and ankle surgery as any orthopod. We have Board certification and we are well recognized by family practitioners as the experts the foot and ankle care.

Yes, we have many obstacles facing us. Manage care, resistance to accept DPMs as equal medical providers, heavy student loans. But I challenge the youth of our profession to be innovative and politically driven to push forward. THis website should be utilized as a place for such ideas to motivate and elicit action....not distain and remorse of your degree.

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????

by TM KATZ DPM (no login)

May I ask a question.

I see by this forum that us podiatrists make so much money

if you are a second generation podiatrist

WHY DO YOU HAVE A STUDENT LOAN ?

character building????????????

Like all the rest lies on this forum

I have put my name-put yours

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2nd gen

by David (no login)

YOu ask how come I had to take out loans if I consider my father to be a successful podiatrist. Simply put, I have lived quite a extravagant life style. My father runs a private practice which is only 30% surgical. We lived in the most affluent neighborhood in my city with a great public school system. He easilly paid for undergraduate educations X 2 at out-of-state institutions. We traveled as a family 2-3 times a year. I was able to go away to camps and abroad programs. I did not have to buy my own car at age 16. I could go on and on, but I would feel like a spoiled brat. What else could I ask for? I am sure my father could help more with my loans, but damn.....I need to start learning the hard way. And even more, he needs to enjoy his hard earned cash. He is not a millionaire and I do not expect to be unless I hit the jackpot or Paris Hilton realizes what she is missing out on with me. Podiatry allows you to practice medicine, the most noble profession there is while still making a good living. You may not make as much as an orthopaedic surgeon, but honestly that will be up to your abilities and your business savy.
Thanks for listening

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Re: Improve

by Gerry (no login)

I agree.

Posted on Jan 24, 2004, 10:04 AM
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Just the facts

by pod (no login)


Most things in life are never completely negative or positive. I would like to state from my experience that the average student loan debt of my collegues is just too high.

Even if you make the upper end of salary e.g. 150K, it will still be challenging to pay back 100k+ in student loans.

Why? Because it is very difficult to convince oneself that while making 150K per year it will be neccesary to live in a 50K crappy house for 15 years while you pay back your student loans. Also, once you hit this magical salary, you immediately lose the tax deduction on your loans.

So I am not saying not to get into this profession, but I am telling you that you are looking at a long hard road for the priviledge of cutting toenails.

just curious - why have colleges in general increased their tuition at a rate that has far exceeded inflation in many cases? Could it be the easy availability of student loans? or am I just cynical?
good luck.

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Jusy Cynical

by Anonymous (no login)

Most of the schools are private. They alone carry the burden of increasing costs. Look what has happen to state universities when the economy has caused the feds to decrase state funding. Their tuitions have gone up 10xs the rate of inflation.
As far as the 150K not being enough for your student debt, I must disagree. Yes earlier grads had lower student debt but almost everyone bought or started a practice which required borrowing more money. When combined with their student loans this equals or exceeded todays employee grads student debt.
Everyone pays their dues. When I started my practice in the 80s. I only paid myself 500/month the first year and lived on that and the 20k my wife made. When the practice started to grow, I paid more to my student loans and paid them off in 7 years(principal was 70K at 12-15% then). After that we spent wisely and had/have a nice lifestyle. I would have killed for 50,000 my first year. Today, I make pre tax 250+ per year.
So, set your goals. Every young anything will have their lag phase. Prepare to succeed and it will happen

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Dear 80's doc

by pod (no login)

Let us explore the key differences between the 80's and now.

1. reimbursements were much higher in real dollar terms

2. the number of pods was much lower than now even in large metro areas

3. and most importantly, if you failed at your practice, YOU COULD DISCHARGE YOUR STUDENT LOANS WITH A BANKRUPTCY.

4. So, I implore you to admit that the risks to a newbie now are signficantly higher than they were back then. I have had 3 of my friends go under already and of course they still have their student loans.
This is a very different game now and I just want to make sure that everyone knows the rules.

P.S. Putting the risk aside, though, I have learned quite a bit about running a business and even if I fail, I will always have use of the skills I learned in developing a practice. So for me, one of the "lucky ones", it was a good option.


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Yea we had it so easy

by Anonymous (no login)

1. reimbursements were much higher in real dollar terms

Perhaps, but patient access was limited even without managed care initially. It took me 3 years just to get hospital privileges and only for a limited number of procedures. Forget MD referrals back then and any ER access. Today even with managed care our grads rarely have to fight for hospital access. Most of my resident graduates have have access to ER patients and the PR from all of those who fought so that a "newbie" doesn't have to fight just for the right to admit patients let alone surgery. In addition, some of my reimbursements were higher but my student loans were at 12 -17%. My business loan at 10 or 11%. Every thing is relative

2. the number of pods was much lower than now even in large metro areas

Metro areas have always been and will remain crowded for all medical specialties. Fotunately population growth continues in many of these cities. However as access to the hospitals increases so does access to patients. Let's not forget that everyone doesn't want to be in a metroplex. Our town has an over supply of orthopods and some are struggling(really). Yet 1 hour away they can't find any to take ER call.

3. and most importantly, if you failed at your practice, YOU COULD DISCHARGE YOUR STUDENT LOANS WITH A BANKRUPTCY.

I don't know what you are talking about. Mt loans could not have been discharged by bankruptcy. Checkout the facts. But anyway I did not plan on filing bankruptcy and had attitute that I would do whatever it takes to make it within ethical boundries. I worked unusual hours, covered other's offices, did hospital consults at several hospitals, and marketed myself. I read books on marketing and asked for advice from others who had made it. I stayed current and reviewed my medical notes so that when Boards came around I wouldn't be starting cold. I visited with my one employee to improve office efficiency so when thing s got busier we would be ready. The first years were my investment years and if slow didn't sit around but asked "what can I do to make this work?"
I visited MDs,DOs, DCs. Lectured to nurses,the PTA, seniors groups whomever would listen. It paid off.

4. So, I implore you to admit that the risks to a newbie now are signficantly higher than they were back then. I have had 3 of my friends go under already and of course they still have their student loans.
This is a very different game now and I just want to make sure that everyone knows the rules.

How arrogant! Risks are risks. Every generation has them. Different but just as important. In my class, less than 50% received a residency of anytype. Today all grads receive one. Hospital access was nonexistant in the majority of areas, today the opposite holds true. Job openings, there were none. You had open cold or buy a practice( I had to get an SBA loan since I had no assets). Today my grads have multiple offers even in the scary metroplexes. We have had several recent grads hired by ortho practices and some by multidisciplinary groups for full scope. We couldn't even get them to talk to us. Residency salaries for the 50% who got one were pitiful. I received 500/month/no benefits and couldn't qualify for a credit card. If I didn't eat at the hospital I would have starved. My car broke down and I was forced to hitchhike until I could save enough to have it fixed. Mine get $30,000 and benefits out the wazoo.

Look I didn't and I am not now complaining. All of the above stesses built character. And to be honest my residents have the character and work ethic that they ,as their alumni, will make it.

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Do you sell Amway too?

by pod (no login)

Not to knock amway which i am sure sells fine products but your analysis of podiatry is strikingly similiar to this company's interactions with their multi-level marketing participants.

In the Amway program I have been told that each participant is advised to measure their success with such benchmarks as

1. how many people did you talk with today
2. how pumped are you about the product
3. how many times did you mention the program
etc

What is my point?

My point is that you are discussing the strides in our profession in terms of residency training, hospital priviledges, residency pay, etc. AND this is not the benchmark that ANYONE should use to make an educated decision about any business opportunity. Who cares about these issues. Who cares how many people you called today. Who cares if you are pumped. The key concept is "IS IT WORTH IT TO SACRFICE 8 YRS OF MY LIFE FOR THIS JOB"

So how do we judge something objectively?

It's called ROE (return on equity)or in other words how much you have to sacrifice to get what rate of return.

Here is my opinion on podiatry

4 yrs undergrad = 40K
4 yrs of pod school = 125k
plus 8 yrs of lost income at 15K= 120k

so you have invested 285K just to get started.

Then to make over 100K you USUALLY have to buy or start a practice as our profession can be brutal on associates and MOST do not get six figure incomes as do most M.D.s.

so add another 150K to buy a practice.

Thus, you have invested 435K and 8 yrs of your life to make the average salary of 100K WHICH DOES NOT INCLUDE THE PAYMENT ON YOUR BUSINESS LOAN AND STUDENT LOANS.

What it worth it? For me yes but for many in my opinion it was not.

Are you an individual that is as driven as the 80's doc. Will you sacrifice for years to achieve your goals? Will you give talks, attend med fairs, hang a sign around your neck? Sell your first born?

If you are, is there any chance that you might quality for something else. I heard that a CEO position has great benefits. Maybe you are MBA or attorney material? Why shoot for a lousy 250K when CEO's are making 10 million per year?

p.s. just my opinion












Here is the ROE in podiatry

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Buying a Practice

by Ben (no login)

150K to buy a practice, yeah right, try 250K+

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You have made your point

by Anonymous (no login)

You have made your point. You do not think anyone should be a DPM. I will agree with one thing. Some will fail and some will not be happy.
On the other hand others love the profession and many both of my and your generation are doing well. Imagine they are making it and don't know about ROE.
For anyone interested in Podiatry, read this persons post and then go to local Podiatry offices and see for yourself.
I have done well, as have many of my colleagues, and residents. It's good profession for many.

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FACTS ARE FACTS!!!!

by podsupporter (no login)

The fact are the facts as stated in this forum.

AND here they are:

MONEY
1. The united states goverment bureau of labor states that the average podiatry income is between $70,000 to $150,000 with a better than average outlook
2. If you believe BLS findings are just supplied by the biased APMA then check every single states Occupation Handbook and you will find that the salaries are within this range.
3. Monster lists the podiatry profession as 11th highest paying profession in the country
4.When looking up podiatry school websites there are literally hundreds of jobs being offered to the PUBLIC let alone the hundreds that are being offered to their own students.

RESPECT
1. There is a DPM on faculty and some cases lecturers at almost EVERY single Ivy league Medical School
2. Almost every single NBA, MLB, MLS, and NFL team has a podiatrist on staff
3. Unlike PA's or NP's, DPM's are considered health care professional and are thus able to serve as directors and on medical boards.


CONLUSION, Podiatry isnt a profession were you can expect making six figures right out of residency. There are risks which are involved. Tuition is expensive and trying to make ends meet as an associate will be tough. But I have to say that by eliminating debt as much as possible and careful planning one can definetly be sucessful. Admissions to podiatry school isnt difficult but I believe that the difficulty resides in graduating and maintaining good grades. With the negative there exists a definite positive. Podiatrists are almost never on call, get to work great hours, and dont have to see death on a daily basis. I'd rather cut dozens of toenails than tell someone they have cancer, smell G.I. bleeds, or analyze stool samples. I believe that owning my own private practice is much better than clocking in like some factory worker salaried MD who sees over a 100 patients a day then has to been on call and then do hospital rotations.

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What?

by James (no login)

I liked your post, but none of my colleagues (MDs) see 100 Pts QD....c'mon do the math 100pts/8hrs = 12.5 pt/hr or 4.8min/pt. Just wanted to clarify we're not that crazy.

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