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amount of time spent on feet

by eric (no login)

I'm writing an article on walking shoes and was hoping someone could answer a question of mine.

On average, how much of a day is spent on the feet? As opposed to sitting, sleeping, etc.

thanks much

Posted on Jan 15, 2004, 3:20 PM
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No Podiatry for Me

by Hopeful (no login)

I was excited to find the possibility of podiatry as a profession for me. After reading the postings here, I will no longer consider the profession which is a shame since I am a dedicated student. The profession should be more clear about who is failing, is it everyone? Would I go to school and not have a job after? What if I went into surgery or orthotics?? This is ridiculous....

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Truth

by (no login)

I'm a fourth year DPM student at the NYC school. Want the truth? Email me. This site is not a resource and not representitive of those of us that are successful.

Posted on Jan 14, 2004, 9:36 PM
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truth about podiatry

by (no login)

you said you could tell the real truth about podiatry. I am a first year student myself, and I would like to know the REAL truth about what lies ahead for me.

thanks,
a DPM student

Posted on Jan 19, 2004, 8:02 PM
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As a student are you successful?

by j.m (no login)

Because you happen to disagree with the plethora of people who state the facts (albeit "negative"-facts are facts, water is wet, winter is cold) regarding this profession, whoo have been in the business for 10+ years, you think that this is not representative? Please state what you think is succesfull and what you feel is an overwhleming sense of pride to be a podiatrist? thank you sir madam.

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Undergrad: I have questions about podiatry, please help me. God bless.

by (no login)

Hello,
I'm a sophmore in college and am thinking about either podiatry school or chiropractic school.
I have a few questions:
1) How many years of school is it? How many years of residency?
2) Which one makes more, a podiatrist or chiropracter?
3) How much can a podiatrist make? The upper limit that is . . . say the top 10 percent.
4) Which one works more hours per week, a podiatrist or a chiropracter?
5) What is the average MCAT score? How hard is it to get into?
6) How happy are podiatrist? Are they mostly satisfied with their field or do they complain all the time like general medicine doctors?

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No expert, but maybe this might help...

by PW (no login)

My best advise for you is to get with your pre-professional advisors at your college. They should be excellent resources. Maybe they can arrange shadowing experiences and you can see for yourself first hand. If not, you should try to arrange these experiences yourself.

Podiatric medical school is 4 years and residencies should be at least 2 years especially if you want to do surgery. This is a bona fide medical education. Admission is less competitive that allopathic or osteopathic programs, but choosing podiatric medicine does not mean you are settling for less.

I can't say much about chiropractic other than it is an alternative form of health care that I think is gaining in popularity. I can't speak to the curriculum. Chiropractors cannot prescribe medication so this can't really be considered comprehensive medical care.

Many students speak out the "respect" heirarchy concerning the various professions. This is a bunch of bull and it does not matter what others think if you believe in what you are doing.

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How much money does a DPM make?

by (no login)

Dear student

You want to know how much a DC vs a DPM makes? The first place to go is to call a few DPMs and a few DCs and shaddow them during an afternoon. Experience what a day is like and ask some questions.

Shaddow a MD/DO.

Keep doing this until you get to a point that you can understand these unique professions.

READ THIS FORUM FROM COVER TO COVER.

If you are too lazy to do that, you are not learning everything you can about these professions.

If we can help you, feel free to call.

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Posted on Jan 24, 2004, 12:35 PM
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MOney Making a derivative of Big Power Surgery

by PodResident (no login)

From my experiences thus far as a second year resident I have noticed a few important points that may be helpful for pod students and potential pod students.

You DON"T need a powerhouse 4 or 3 year program to be successful. I know of many 4 or 3 year program grads who do poorly due to the fact that they think that their "education" entitles them to more pay than PPMR or PSR12 grads. Education does not equal success in Pod or in any profession. It's business sense, problem solving, networking, personality, etc.

I know of many PPMR grads who make 200K + a year due to their business sense, personality and the insight to HIRE Surgically trained people to work for them. Sure, all this PPMR guy does is injections, nails, callus and other not so glorious part of our professoin, but hey, the one doing all those WOnderful Triple Arthrodesis etc are working for this PPMR guy and making money for this PPMR. WHo is the smarter one here? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Now, on the other hand, I know of another PPMR grad who sits, complains and probably posts on this board about how bad our profession is, how lowly Podiatrists are to other professions, Oh this, oh that.

Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Remember people, the world revolves around business, money, lies and politics. ppMR, PSR12, PSR24, PSR36, PSR48 doesn't guarantee or entitle you to anything.

Seek out positive people, learn from them pick their brains, that is almost as good as picking their pockets. Unsuccessful people will find you out. Just look all over this forum.

Posted on Jan 10, 2004, 9:25 AM
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I agree with you

by DPM grad. 1998 (no login)

I think you hit the nail on the head. I worked for another podiatrist for about 1 1/2 years right out of residency ( PSR -12 )and was making $30/h or roughly about 60K per year.

Now granted right out of residency ( school sponsored at a whopping $7,500.00/year )I felt great as my standard of living was elevated from poverty to good ( well I guess average when you subtract $1300.00/month to that lovely lady Sallie Mae )But.. I didnt go through 4 years of undergrad, 4 of pod school and 1 of residency to live like the person who graduates from community college with as an asssociate RN. (no disrespect- intended ).


So, I opened my practice from scratch. Borrowed about $60.000 for a bank hired one employee and at first used a billing service. I introduced myself to the PCP's, spoke at events, got my name into the community.

Now as I look back as it has been two years in solo practice, I notice I have paid of my loan of $60 K, and I grossed $400,000.00 last year and my net income ( personal take home ) was $200,000.00

I just hired a med tech to shoot xrays and help me with patients. ( yes I did all of my own tech work the first 2 years ) I wonder how 2004 is going to be now that I can double my patient load, as I can do my podiatrist work than pod/tech work.

Funny part is- everyone is so excited about 3-4 year programs. Tell me what a triple arthrodesis pays and then figure out how much time is spent in the OR add in how much time is spent at all post op visits and try to factor in the liability for that procedure and I will tell you how many ingrown toenails, diabetic ulceration, cortisone injections, and in office consultations I have seen during that time period and you will see why if you do not have business sense you may be disappointed with whatever training you have had.

I have actually looked at the surgeries I do on a monthly basis. Usually about 3-4 per week. Really basic stuff like Austins, heel spurs, hammertoes and neuromas. The reinbursemnt on these codes is so weak it is insulting. Honestly, I have fixed ingrown toenails that have payed more than some bunion surgeries. That is truth

Get the training that interests you, but remember your grades and resdidency training mean about zero when you enter the world of business. Podiatry school does a pretty piss poor job regarding business education, probably because either they are afraid to introduce it to the student for fear of shock, or if the faculty are like the ones when I went to school ( they graduated from their school residency and started teaching and somehow think you can actually survive in the real world of leases, payroll, supplies, by doing a 5 hour biomechanical exam for a pair of orthotics that when the insurance doesnt pay for them and the patient stiffs you that somehow you can survive.

Just thought you might get a kick out of this. I like to tell it like it is. Just life experiences of one new podiatrist. Hope you enjoyed.

Posted on Feb 24, 2004, 10:15 PM
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I'm Afraid of Podiatry School Now

by James (no login)

I won't lie, I was excited when I first found out about Podiatry.
I decided to look on the internet for information about the profession.
That is when I found this site.
My excitement turned to disappointment when I read many postings describing the abuses in the profession reported by many students here.
When considering a career, I think that it is natural to consider the demand, the pay and the time and money investment.
Podiatry seems to demad long expensive schooling and pay about what someone with a quality BS degree earns ie an engineering degree.
This coupled with the huge amount of student loans and the scarcity of good jobs and predatory podiatrists who screw over new graduates has led me to conclude that this is one profession that has too many problems and too much risk for me.
I wish it were different.

As for the high handed MD's on this forum, they only embarass their profession by spouting their nonsense.
Check out what the pay for a regular primary care physician is in some areas of the US.
I've seen them being paid as low as 80K.

Let some more FMG's (foreign medical graduates) in the country and see how the great MD fares.

10 bucks an office visit?






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Good Choice

by Ben (no login)

You have made a very wise decision!!

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I suggest....

by Dental Guy (no login)

I suggest you go into dentistry. Most of us are happy and do well financially. Just a thought.

Posted on Jan 13, 2004, 12:07 PM
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podiatrist and proud

by frank (no login)

Hey dental guy, podiatry is a good field and personally I chose it over denistry. I make a great salary and have no regrets about it. I would recommend this field to anyone. Every field has problems, however when you are in that specific field which you are part of, you just hear more faults in the profession. I would love to offer all those podiatrist out there complaining a story that relates to them. It reminds me of a story called sour grapes. These complainers failed to become successful in their field of podiatry and assumed that if they climed the highest branch on the grape vine, ie, the grape getting the most sun exposure, that it would be sweet. After all there sweat and tears, they reached that grape and when the moment was right they ate that grape and it left a sour taste in there mouths. Despite how much water they drank, they could never get that sour taste out of there mouths. The point of the story is these people failed and instead of getting up again like real winners do, they rather keep whining about the incident. Quit crying over spilled milk and try again, who knows maybe you will get a better tasting grape next time.

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Nail debridement causing sore arm/hand

by (no login)

After 15 years of nail debridement and grinding my arm and hand are giving out on me. I need info. about alternative instruments and grinders for nail debridement. Please contact me if you have any ideas.
Thanks, Tom

Posted on Jan 7, 2004, 10:46 PM
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STOP COMPLAINING!

by podsupporter (no login)

Going through this forum, I must say I am sick and tired of all these so called pod grads saying they cant find any work. I mean really! Get off your rear ends and start moving. The podiatry profession is small therefore you cant expect to go to monster.com and find tons of job oppurtunities. By simply visiting OCPMs web page there were well over 50 postings for job oppurtunities http://www.ocpm.edu/news/article.asp?ID=73.

Podiatry has its problems but PPAC is doing is best to allow podiatry to be reclassifiedd in medicaid and medicare.

Perhaps the biggest flaw of podiatry is that graduates fail to unite and make a statement about the importance of the profession. Instead they whine and bicker about how they were duped. Get with it people! osteopathy was considered a joke fifty years ago and almost saw its demise when the californian osteopathic association was shut down in the sixties and DO's were offered to become MD's. BUT a few proud DO's stood up and refused to convert. If one goes to podiatry school just because you couldnt get into medical school you will never get over the stigma given by a few eltistist MD's. Most health professionals recognize the importance of podiatry. Yes podiatrists deal with hammertoes, bunions, and ingrown toenails but few people realize how podiatrists can save a person's life. The five year survival rate of an amputee is ridiculously low due to the severe alteration of the person's hemodynamics. Podiatrist's give people the will to live which diminishes when one is unable to walk. Instead the quick fix above the knee amputaton podiatrist try saving the leg. Furthermore, the walk for life foundation, is sponsored by podiatrist who go to third world nations and provide children with club feet the oppurtunity to walk again.

So I suggest that instead of monopolizing this forum with pathetic life stinks I make no money stories why dont posters who are genuinely interested in podiatry try organizing methods in which podiatry can improve.

Posted on Jan 5, 2004, 7:52 PM
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Why don't we do compromise?

by pod (no login)

I propose a compromise -

The disgruntled cuts its whining by putting forth additional effort into their career. What choice do we have? Student loans can't be discharged.

The successful group agrees to stop the labeling and address some of the more important problems present within the profession. Here is where I would start.
I will clarify that these are my own opinions.

1. Clean up the residency process. It is very demoralizing to have top slots going to c students due to nepotism. Grades and/or board scores should count for something. If they aren't going to count, then let us change the system to a pass/fail.

2. Clean up the boards. The system favors the established as it prevents new grads from getting on the boards when they need it the most.

3. Regulate associate contracts to keep the abuse down. A professional podiatrist should treat his fellow podiatrist in an ethical manner and not cheat him with an unfair salary.

4. Publish realistic expectations on salary based on sound statistics. I think that average salary figures should be reduced by average student loan payments. e.g. 100K is actually 80K after student loans for many new grads.

5. Let us use the resources of the association to get young pods access to student loan forgiveness programs that are much more available to MDs/DOs and even nurse practitioners.


Posted on Jan 6, 2004, 6:12 PM
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what planet?

by anon (no login)

in 11 yrs of private pod practice I have never had a patient that was even a candidate for an amputation

Posted on Jan 7, 2004, 3:27 PM
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Stop whining does not address grave podiatry concerns

by j.m (no login)

Telling people to stop complaining is like telling someone to stop saying winter is cold, and summer is warm, water is wet, . FACTs are FACTS. the profession has lied to many, instilled divorces, financial ruin, etc... stop complaining is an insult-we live in America, 1st amendment, read the constitution , one has a legal right to make statements based on facts. If you do not care to listen to facts buy ear plugs on turn off that library computer, or go to another foot screening at the grocery store.

Posted on Jan 8, 2004, 12:09 PM
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GET A CLUE

by JOE SMOE DPM (no login)

STOP COMPLAINING

LET US TAKE A MOMENT TO CONDUCT AN OBSERVATION.

AS WE PONDER THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS:

DO PODIATRY SCHOOLS LIE TO THEIR STUDENTS TO KEEP ENROLLMENT UP ?
DO PODIATRY SCHOOLS LET ANY APPLICANT WITH A PULSE IN ?
ARE THE PODIATRY (TEACHERS) JOBS RELYING ON ENROLLMENT ?

IF APMA WERE TO SUPPORT THE MEMBERSHIP AND ACTUALLY TELL THE TRUTH INSTEAD OF CONDUCTING SURVEYS THAT ARE BIAS WOULD THEY GET THE DUES

PODIATRIST ARE ELECTED PROVIDERS-PATIENTS WITH DISPOSABLE INCOME SEEK OUR HELP. EVEN THE ELDERLY TRY TO GET CARE AND DO NOT UNDERSTAND IF THEY HAVE PEDAL PULSES THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR CARE.

MEDICARE IS A FEDERAL INSURANCE PROGRAM THAT IS RUN BY THE STATES- WHY ARE REIMBURSEMENT DIFFERENT FROM STATE TO STATE AND COUNTY TO COUNTY-BECAUSE NO WANTS TO PAY FOR MEDICAL CARE-THE MDS-DOS-DCS-DMDS HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM (COME ON 90 DOLLARS TO TRIM TOE NAILS)

MY 92 YEAR OLD AUNT'S CONN DPM CHARGES MEDICARE 90 DOLLARS FOR THE "DEBRIDEMENT" AND 99213 (OH YEAH !!-SHE HAS PULSES) GUESS WHAT HE LIES

LAST YEAR WE HAVE A F&A LEADER GIVE A SPEACH THAT CUTS-DOWN ANOTHER F&A LEADER-NO OUT RAGE NOTHING SAID
ALL THE GOOD OLD BOYS SLAP EACH OTHER ON THE BACK
AND SMILE

OUR PROFESSION STARTED OUT HOLY- WE WERE DOING GOD'S WORK TAKING CARE OF PEOPLES' FEET. WE WERE ON OUR KNEES AND TENDING TO THE SORES OF THE IMFIRMED LIKE THE BIBLE FORE TELLS-BELEIVE ME THE VIPER IS IN THE GARDEN NOW OUR PROFESSION IS A DISGRACE
****TO MAKE A THE REVENUE YOU HAVE TO LIE*******
BELIEVE ME
STUDENTS LIE ABOUT GRADES AND CHEAT
RESIDENTS LIE ABOUT PROCEDURES THEY DO
DIRECTORS LIE ABOUT THEIR PROGRAMS
DPMS LIE WHEN THEIR WAITING ROOMS ARE NOT FILLED UP
DPMS LIE TO THEMSELVES ABOUT BEING REAL DOCTORS
WE ARE PODIATRIST LIKE DENTIST ONLY EXPERTS OF A PARTICULAR AREA ONLY. (THE FOOT)

OUT OF HERE

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need books

by student (no login)

Hello,
Anyone with "The P.I. Manual" and /or "Internal Fixation Workbook" would like to sell them to me? I am currently a 3rd year student. If you don't have these, do you know where I can check for used copies? Thank you so much...Please post and I will respond.

Posted on Jan 3, 2004, 3:06 AM
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Internal Fixation?

by j.m. (no login)

Most of the surgery you will really do are bunions and hammertoes, that is it. Unless you go to the hinder lands of GA, that is it. I would suggest Roger Mann's Foot Surgery text, Lowell Lutter's text and other texts that may assist in forefoot surgery.

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what?

by student (no login)

You don't use screws or K wires with your forefoot surgeries? Are you sure you are a DPM? I am actually a MD student but I love podiatry texts because they are concise and to the point. The PI manual has great summaries on Pre and post and peri operative management, wound care, infections, abx use...a great little book for any surgery rotations. I scrub in with DPMs before...they are GREAT docs. So any of you guys with these books, please let me know. If not, in a week I'll just buy them new...no biggie

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Roger Mann's book?

by (no login)

If memory serves me correct (and I ain't getting any younger, so I could be off base here), Roger Mann is an orthopod who has no love for DPM's.

I would never support him by buying his book.

Jeffrey C. Davids, DPM

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get over yourself

by student (no login)

The books I want are from The Poiadtry Institute, not Roger Mann. There are many DPMs that hate orthopods too...so what? What does that have to do with you and I? We should all conduct ourselves in a professional and respectable manner. Quit your politicking and make this forum an informative and useful one.
MD student

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Re: Roger Mann's book?

by Eric Richardson,DPM (no login)

I actually have both Surgery of the Foot and Ankle, by Dr. Mann and Comprehensive Textbook of Foot surgery by McGlamry. I think they are both excellent books, but I really like the color photos and the outlay of The Foot and Ankle ( Master Techniques in Orthopedic Surgery . This is my favorite of the three books previously listed.

It doesnt matter to me whether a MD or DPM is the author of the book. I just like to have different perspectives on surgical approaches, Much like in residency working with orthopods or podiatrists.

Eric Richardson, DPM

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Foot/Ankle Texts

by j.m. (no login)

Yes, Roger Mann does not care for most DPMs but that is probably based on many of the discussions on this forum and others. He sees what what we see but probably has a bent eye towards DPMs as either clipping and trimming and sees that the training is less so in years as he spoke in an inteview in Podiatry Today years back.

Either way there vast amts. of books regarding ORIF, etc.. re: foot and ankle surgery as an MD student Foot?ankle secrets is good too but has typos and some categorically wrong info. Good luck.

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Back Pain & Orthodics

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I visited a Poditrist to remove a plantar wart. The treatment was successful. In the course of treatment, the doctor asked if I played golf, and I said no, it hurt my low back on the right side. He suggested that pain may be due to the fact that I have one leg shorter than the other. I agreed to further consultation, complete with measurements which confirmed about 1/2 inch discrepency, which led to orthodics. The first set led to pain releif and I was very pleased. The doctor said he had to continue to adjust the mechanics of my gait and after a 5th set of orthodics over a 2 year period, I am still free from low back pain, but now have pain below my scapula and bursitis on my right second toe. The doctor treated me for the bursitis with injected cortisone and suggested that he tried to adjust my biomechanics too fast. Is this a reasonable explanation?

After a holiday period of walking and standing, my upper back pain is worse and the bursitis is back.
I am concerned that there may not be a correlation between low back pain and trying to relieve it with orthodics. Are there clinical studies which show that orthodics may fix chronic low back pain?

Is it reasonable that changing the orthodic casued pain under my scapula?

Can someone direct me to literature on this subject?

David

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David

by JJL (no login)

In reference to orthotics correcting your lower back pain - yes, there are several clinical studies that do explore the relation between limb length and the way the hips are supported by the lower limbs. By adjusting the length of the legs by orthotics you can put the hips back into alignment and reduce strain on the lower back. Hope this helps.

JJL

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Re: Back Pain & Orthodics

by Dr. M, DC, MD (no login)

Orthodic treatment is a reasonalble approach but not complete to Back pain. A complete chiroractic examination that looks at your total stucture would also be indicated. Any imbalances found should then be treated.

Posted on Jan 7, 2004, 9:39 AM
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nightmare

by john (no login)

anyone have experience with their residency program closing, and the director not coming up with alternative sites in order to finish and get the certificate? I have about a year and a half to go, but nowhere to hang my hat. how can this happen???? and what should I do?

Posted on Dec 27, 2003, 8:17 PM
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Options after residency folds

by Anonymous (no login)

A similar thing happened to me. The residency where I matched closed down just before I was supposed to start. I was within hours of signing a lease for an apt. Turns out the director knew the ship was going down and decided to go to CRIPS and interview anyway just to for the sake of ruining some lives and getting some giggles out of it.

Here are some things I found out the hard way. In the preamble to the process, CASPR claimed that there was "residency rescue insurance" in the event of a closed residency. WHen I inquired it turned out that the CASPR rescue program was not yet "up and running" so they were gracious enough to let me reapply and waived the $10/program designation fee (you will still owe the program their individual application fee). The CASPR program may be running now but who knows.

If you have proof that the director knew the program was in trouble and failed to notify you in an adequate and timely manner, you may have a legal course for compensation for the remainder of the salary owed to you and probably some for the emotional toll this has all had on you, as well as possible relocation costs and anything else you could tack on to make them sweat a bit if warranted. Perhaps a free legal consultation would not be a bad idea. If you had a contract and they violated the terms, they are liable.

Some options you may want to consider are calling around the programs to see if they have spots available. Occasionally a resident will get dumped or drop out but that tends to happen in the summer months rather than this late in the game.
The other alternative is to scramble for the upcoming unmatched programs. It's too late to interview at CRIPS given that you have to submit applications and fees well in advance.
Contact your friends at other programs to see if there are any possible spots there or if they can put in a good word.
Or you could see if any unmatched programs (probably PPMR/RPR)from last year would consider letting you finish off 6 months there.
Now would be a great time to visit programs given you have 6 months off.

Despite the feeling like the world is ending, for me I matched to a great 3 year surgical and am better of than had the original program went through.

Good luck and hope this helped

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A RIGHT TO NEW PROGRAM NOW.

by (no login)

John has the RIGHT to a new Residency of equal quality NOW.

NOW.

Now. Did I make myself clear?

This young doctor had no insight as to the financial status of the Residency.

If he wants to scare the living sh*t of the parties involved, he may know what to do.

A Jury will NEVER put up with this sh*t and will never tolerate what happened to this Doctor. I would not be surprised that a million dollar judgement against the doctors at the Hospital, the Hospital and others would be ordered. And, the Malpractice Insurance will NOT cover the Residency Director.

If this Doctor asserts himself, somehow, another Residency Director will 'find' the money for a new position. THIS is the goal.


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It depends

by Anonymous (no login)

It all depends why the program closed and when the director/staff knew about it. Unfortunately this happens both in podiatric and other medical professions. Did the program close because the hospital closed or was in financial difficulty? Was the director let go or did they resign and no replacement could be found(this happens occasionally when the director is not paid or paid poorly)?
Did it close because the program lost acredidation?

Sometimes because of politics, funding or both the hospital will announce closure at the last minute. Hardly the directors fault. However the hospital who sponsors the program should act reasonably in regards to those selected. If funding was an issue or the hospital is hurting or closing, they will do little.

If the program lost it's accredidation after being on probation then someone could probably be held liable. But you would have to prove they willing withheld this information when they selected you. But I am not an attorney.

My advice is reapply. There is a shortage of grads right now and the graduates are actually in the drivers seat for once. If you are good candidate, I would be surprised if you didn't match again.

Good luck!

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RESIDENCY FOLDED. WHAT TO DO.

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Dear John,

If your Residency folded in the way that was described, you have a few options.

1. You can do nothing. (Most new graduate DPM's have done this)

2. You can complain. (You have every right to do this)

3. You can shop for a lawyer and you will find that the specialist lawyers that can handle this type of suit are expensive -- they don't do contingency.

4. You can call The Center for Peer Review Justice, Inc which was founded and run by a Podiatrist who got his experience fighting the injustice of Brian Gale, DPM ( www.briangale.com ). Now CPRJ does almost exclusively HCQIA Abuses and State Board Abuses of Medical Doctors.

5. The Center has a team of experienced specialized healthcare lawyers in many states. There is no guesswork here. Some will do contingency.

6. The Center's lawyers work as a TEAM in many cases. Sometimes it is informal, other times, other lawyers can take care of depositions that are in other states.

7. Center lawyers are JD's and MD-JD's, and Healthcare Legal Newsletter Editors.

8. The Center has a professional Public Relations Department. If you want this to become Topic Number One in Podiatry, or if you want this to become National News, the CPRJ has the experience to do it, and do it well, and do it to excess.

So, John, I suggest that you call us today so that we can explore your legal and practical options.

THE CENTER FOR PEER REVIEW JUSTICE, INC

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Who is Going to Pay for this Poor Resident's CRIP Fees Etc...???!

by Mark B. (no login)

This poor resident whos program shut down (funny how poor news always happens around the holidays or Fridays persona non grata.) now has to RE-apply to more programs meaning more money, more airfare, more hotels, more coffee, more food, more public transit rides, etc... WHO IS PAYING FOR THIS?/ the AACPM, the APMA, the ABPS,??

The residency program has a fiduciary duty to fufill its contract with you to earn a podiatric diploma with all the professional accutrements in order for you to PRACTICE. IF they cannot supply this then they can be serious legal trouble. If I were you I would contact an ethical (normal) attorney. I would also forward a copy (certified mail) to the Dean and admissions director and AACPM director to warn others of this grave situation. Unfortunately in podiatry nothing changes.

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Not necessarily

by Anonymous (no login)

Most contracts have clause that a program can close for a number of reasons. Again if the hospital closed, lost funding, or is financial trouble they will lay off employees, close clinics, ERs, maternity wards, nursing and healthcare schools, and residency training programs. It is bad for all involved but is not podiatry specific.
This has happened to other medical specialties. It can devastate a community.
If however the hospital is fine and the director dropped the ball or the hospital closed the program on a whim or for political reasons then I would go after them.
In the meantime while everyone tells you how bad you have it and the profession stinks repply. As said above it is an applicants market with the number of grads down.

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Agree, But if you buy a towel it is supposed to dry you

by j.m. (no login)

A residency has a fiduciary duty to train you competently by the boards/agencies/committees and BS regulatory societies. If they fail, or close, without proper notice and not providing another comparable program who sues who??? towels are supposed to dry,they do not then who sues who?

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Agree

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I agree my only point is if the director is told at the last moment they may not be able to place the resident. You sue the negligent person who allowed a new residency class to be selected while there was a chance that it might close.
That should be easy to identify. But it might be cheaper just to try and place in a new program.

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A HOAX

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It is my understanding that "John" and losing his residency in this way is a hoax.

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Re: A HOAX

by BOB DPM (no login)

WHAT DO YOU MEAN A HOAX ??

IS IT THE POST THAT IS A HAOX ???

IS IT A NEW YEARS PRANK TO CAUSE UNEASINESS ??

I HAD TO CLOSE MY PRACTICE BECAUSE I JUST COULD NOT
COMPETE WITH THE PODS IN MY COMMUNITY WITH THE PSRS.
I WORKED 70 HOURS A WEEK AND MEDICARE GAVE ME A NICE 12,000 THIS YEAR.
WITH MY OVERHEAD, AND FEES, AND INSURANCE I AM IN THE THE BLOODY RED (THAT IS NOT A HOAX)
I AM DISAPPOINTED-TAKING IT AS A PERSONAL FAILURE.
JUST LIKE THE TIME 5 YEARS AGO THAT I COULD NOT GET
A PSR.
HOW CAN THIS FORUM ALLOW A HOAX LIKE THIS BE HERE

AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE PUT A NAME TO THE POST-
PEOPLE DO NOT LIE AND THE FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES

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put a name on the post

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As you said, put a name on the post. It could start with you.

I am sorry that you have to close your practice. It is part of the 'usual and customary' of young podiatry practices.

People don't realize that it is a huge gamble to chose podiatry. We speak of it in thousands of messages but very few believe us.

The trend is that the enrollments are up, even though we are speaking about less than 100 more podiatry students nation wide.

The Trend is also that the 'failures' in private practice will be far more vocal and angry.

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How sad

by anonymous (no login)

I thought it was an unusual time of the year for a residency to close. Typically this happens in the middle of the year.
How sad it is that someone would intentionally spread this kind of misinformation. It belittles those who have real problems and those who work hard within the profession.
When people offered their help (like the Center for Peer Review Justice and individuals) it showed compassion. It also indirectly slammed podiatric surgical residencies. As I director, I have worked hard to make sure that all of residents leave trained and ready for work. We network and to date have found good ethical jobs for every grad since I have taken control. Many have joined ortho and multidisciplinary groups with starting salaries in the 110-150,000 range. Last year with 6 grads all had jobs with the lowest base salary of 70,000( with his first 6 months that doc will still clear 100,000). This year 3 already have been interviewed by ortho groups with salaries mentioned above. I will admit that not all programs and grads fair this well but the fact that some do shows there is hope if people take care of one another.
Being a director has meant lost income and family time but when I see a seed that I help plant grow and teach others and succeed I take pride.
If this was a hoax shame on the poster.

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Nice to See Ethical Residency Director

by j.m. (no login)

Thank you for treating and teaching your residents in such a manner that they EARN ethical employment with salaries commensurate with their training and degree--wish there were many more like you. Thank you.

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Thank you

by Anonymous (no login)

Thank you for your kind words. There are many hard working, ethical directors out there. As one, I get to interact with many people who do it for the right reasons.
Unfortunately the few bad apples get all of the press. We never hear about how good a residency is or when there is a successful educational team. But because of the ramifications of a bad one that news travels fast and is embellished along the way.
The smaller graduate pool has been good in helping cull the bad ones. With less grads, the bad programs have difficulty filling their positions and wither.
I can assure everyone the directors who care are trying to continue to improve the educational process which in the long run helps the entire profession.
Thanks again, it was nice to hear!

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Ditto

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Ditto to JM's post. The ethical residency director reminds me of the days when we treated our graduates as respected peers instead of competition to be used and abused.

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Unethical Directors

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Unfortunately we do have many unethical directors out there that care more about having residents work for them for their personal gain rather than for the good of the resident's education. I know of a director that gets paid a salary from the hospital and then can care a rats A*^*^* about the training of the resident. Jobs? Right good luck in having this person help you find a job, this person doesn't even take the time to teach us rearfoot surgery in this rearfoot program. I think that the CPME should take a critical look at all residency programs NOW and hold the director responsible, often times I see the poor residents getting the brunt of the cpME action such as closing down a program, etc. So who does this hurt, the resident of course the director just washes his hands and goes back to his practice. Of course he'll lose his federally funded slaves, but I bet these schmucks of our profession will pay some poor PPMR grad with no business sense 35 grand a year to do the scut work for them. Think this is a long shot? I encourage other residents to respond to this issue. I have to admit that i have met some great directors who genuinely care about residents, their educational experience and offer support afterwards.

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Unethical

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If in fact you have an abusive, unethical, or any other negative adjective director then I would suggest that when you graduate and have your diploma you do 2 things: First turn the director in to the CPME. Until you do they will not have idea nor can they act. Second become involved in education and make a change.
As a director who does care, I can tell you times have/are changing in all fields of medicine. The bad apples are few and far between. Many people give their all.
One other thing you should be made aware of is the unethical/problem resident. I have been lucky and 99% of mine have been great. However the 1% has done it all. Stolen hospital equipment, sexual harassment, sex with patients and attendings staff, downloading porn on the hospital computer,lied to their fellow residents and the faculty, pimped their peers by stealing cases,fake sick time, leaving the city without telling anyone etc. etc.

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Residecny Director Problems

by j.m. (no login)

Wow, where do I begin with the residency director inadequancies/concerns. THe CPME can help, however, keep in mind that their peers will be evaluating them. Similar to going to an SS officer if you have a problem with Hitler. So I would wait until you have that graduation diploma in your hand, THEN report to the APMA< the CPMA, the local podiatry board until absolute action is taken, etc.. Good luck,

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my residency director only care about $

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sick of doing all the scut for my attendings so they can make money
1)get coffee
2)call ins comp for them
3)do cme credits for them
4)get verbally abused by them
5)work 65 hr work weeks to be at there exposal
I COULD GO ON FOR EVER

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Buying & Selling Practices

by Anonymous (no login)

Does anyone have any input or experience with using PICA Brokerage Servies to do a valuation analysis and appraisal of podiatry practices?

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British Podiatrists

by ig (no login)

Hello all,

Just wondered what opinions or attitudes were felt towards Podiatrists in the UK?

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To Dr. Interesting!

by pod (no login)

If you disagree with the comparison between podiatry and the m.d./d.o programs, I would like to hear which points that you disagree with. I think my post was FAIR in that it serves as a barometer for those who should in MY opinion consider this as a career choice.

In my opinion, if you don't have the guts to run your own practice, then the risk is just too great for you to consider this as a profession. Have we not all known the almost cliche podiatry "associate" who was run through nursing home hell and never earned over 50k? This profession pays their hireling docs very little because they can. Basically it just comes down to supply and demand.

Face the music, podiatry is light on well paying JOBS but still has opportunity for those who want to run their own show. So let us be honest with anyone seeking our profession out so that we don't end up with so many disgruntled pods later on.

I like my choice but it is not for everyone.


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Re: To Dr. Interesting!

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I'm not really disagreeing with any of what you posted. I was making an observation that there are significant differences in the attributes you mentioned for podiatry and MD/DO programs. Particularly, that what you listed for podiatry seem to be related to the individual, and those for MD/DO are related more to the profession.

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You decision to enter any program of study is a very personal decision.

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I absolutely agree with this. I might also add that as a personal decision, you would need to take responsibility for your choice. Don't blame the profession. As it is a choice, it would be in your best interest to look into carefully and consider your options.
I did (and continue to do so), and I am happy with my decisions. This goes for all sorts of things, not just a choice of profession.

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Here would be my decision making process on this choice:

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Absolutely. I don't disagree, just observed an interesting difference in the lists.

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Attributes favoring podiatry (succesful practitioners)

1. Good at business
2. Good interpersonal skills
3. Risk taker!
4. Willing to relocate to ANY area to make a living
5. Willing to accept low initial pay while building business.
6. Willing to accept risk of student loan default if your practice fails.
7. Not looking for a J-O-B as you want to run your
own business.
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Notice that all of these are personal attributes.
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Attributes favoring M.D. or D.O. programs

1. Salary over 100K practically guaranteed
2. Many specialities to choose from
3. Many locations to choose from depending on specialization.
4. Flexible work arrangements common e.g. ER moonlighting.
5. Multiple govt. sponsored student loan payback schemes e.g. work in deliverance'ville for a few years and you owe nothing.
6. Well known degree with no explanation needed.
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Notice that all of these attributes are related to the profession.

Some of these could also be debated. "Many specialties to choose from" does not mean you'll have the opportunity to do what you really want to. Nor does it mean you will enjoy what you end up with.
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Hope this helps but no one can tell you what is really right for you. Good luck.
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And I agree with this as well. I hope this clarifies my comment.

Good luck to all, and I hope you make make the choices and decisions that are right for you.

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Re: To Dr. Interesting!

by Anonymous (no login)

PS.

Look for a book called "The Medical Student's Survival Guide" by Stephen R. Polk, MD.

It may be out of print now, but can be found in libraries. He does a fair job of making an honest comparison of various MD specialties. It was intended to give some guidance in considering residencies and specialties to consider. Works just as well for DOs since many of the same things apply. A lot of it is also pertinent to Podiatry, at least as far as considering the economics involved. It is a bit out of date, but the basic principles still apply.

I'd be interested to hear your take on this.

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Foot/ankle MRI

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What is the best book/resource for foot/ankle MRIs. I need something more substantial to prep for residency in July. Any suggestions would be great!

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Best MRI Book

by Frank (no login)

What ever gave you the impression that getting a residency has to do with how well you answer a question. All the good looking chicks in my class landed top residencys. The guys that matched the top programs matched not because they had the right answer top ever question, but rather because they kissed a lot of ass while externing. The fact is they are not looking for someone with all the answers, and at the same time they do not want a total fool. Basically just study the presbeterian manual and you will be fine.

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Re: Best MRI Book

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Thanks for the honestadvice....

Gerry

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Re: Foot/ankle MRI

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You probably don't really need it for prep for Residency, but you might want to learn about how to read MRIs anyway.

Try "Practical MRI of teh Foot and Ankle" by Spouge and Pope.

Education is always worthwhile.

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Re: Re: Foot/ankle MRI

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Thank you for your reply....

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SLICK WILLY AND STUDENT LOANS

by pod (no login)

To whom concerned:

A prior poster mentioned that slick willy was not responsible for the non-dischargement of student loans. This is correct. However, the piece of dung did change an important exception to the bankruptcy law. This exception allowed students who had attempted repayment for 7 yrs to discharge their loans with bankruptcy. Slick Willy's law does away with this escape hatch. This is really a travesty because some people are going to be stuck with their student loans for the rest of their life. The only way out has been made almost impossible due to the Brunner court decision which defines undue hardship in the most conservative manner e.g you better be a veggie on foodstamps and a feeding tube before you consider this way out.

Thus, boys and girls, the decision to sign the check on a student loan is not one to take lightly. You better be darn sure of your career choice because you are going to be stuck with these loans forever. Isn't it ironic that a govt sponsored "free" education is sounding a lot more like involuntary servitude.

Good luck and may God never curse us with a Clinton again.

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They Get 88 BILLION, We Get Herpes

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we get student loans forever, without any dischargable, yet the airlines with CEOs getting 12 million dollar per salary with bailouts from the taxpayer, and 88 billion bailouts to cave dwellers, countries that owe us billions are excused and forgiven. HOWEVER, one of OWN, our own USA citizen cannot discharge his/her student loans after 7 years of due diligence of paying. UNREAL. this county is a joke. Welfare anyone, how about another airline bail-out or another govt. remodeling job. Guess if you speak English, pay taxes, work honestly, and obey the law you get screwed.

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Re: SLICK WILLY AND STUDENT LOANS

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HEY GET WITH THE PROGRAM THE PRESIDENT (GEORGE OR
BILL) MAKE THE LAWS. OUR WONDERFUL CONGRESS

YOU KNOW

LEGISLATURE (MAKES THE LAWS)

JUDICIAL (INTERPETS THE LAWS-AS WELL AS SELECTS PRESIDENTS)

EXECUTIVE-(SMILES NICE-DRINKS-PARTIES WITH INTERNS- AND
GIVES THE PUMP REBUILDING ASSIGNMENTS TO THE VP'S PARENT COMPANY)

WE ARE THE SHEEP-THE REAL MONEY IS IN RUNNING THIS COUNTRY-DO YOU THINK THE GOOD OLE BOYS UP ON CAPITAL HILL REALLY GIVE A RATS **S ABOUT THE WORKING MAN.

NO MATTER IF IT WAS RONALD, GEORGE THE 1ST, BILL, OR GEORGE THE 2ND-THEY DO NOT CARE
GUARANTEEEEEE THAT THESE BOYS IN THE WHITE HOUSE HAVE
NEVER LAID EYES ON A POOR WORKING STIFF PODIATRIST-
UNLESS THAT WERE WILD ABOUT FEET ?

GO AHEAD REPLY WITH YOUR SIMPLE MIND

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Dear Sam,

by pod (no login)

You decision to enter any program of study is a very personal decision.

Here would be my decision making process on this choice:

Attributes favoring podiatry (succesful practitioners)

1. Good at business
2. Good interpersonal skills
3. Risk taker!
4. Willing to relocate to ANY area to make a living
5. Willing to accept low initial pay while building business.
6. Willing to accept risk of student loan default if your practice fails.
7. Not looking for a J-O-B as you want to run your
own business.

Attributes favoring M.D. or D.O. programs

1. Salary over 100K practically guaranteed
2. Many specialities to choose from
3. Many locations to choose from depending on specialization.
4. Flexible work arrangements common e.g. ER moonlighting.
5. Multiple govt. sponsored student loan payback schemes e.g. work in deliverance'ville for a few years and you owe nothing.
6. Well known degree with no explanation needed.

Hope this helps but no one can tell you what is really right for you. Good luck.


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Sam...EXCELLENT POINTS!

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Sam,


You made a very realistic statement in your response.
All are Excellent Points that you expressed, & I agree 100%.

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Interesting

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Seems interesting to me. Don't know who put together this list, but the things listed for podiatry are those that a person is willing to put in, and those for MD are things a person might expect to get back.

Not an altogether fair comparison.

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Should i shouldnt i - thinking of going for pod.

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Hello
This is my situation. I am a 25 yesr old pre-med student who is anticipating finishing up pre-reqs by June. I have been giving serious thought to going to pod school, but i have some nagging doubts/fears.
1) Do any of you feel regret towards going to pod school as opposed to traditional med school
2) Has anyone attented NYCPM in NYC? What was that experience like
3) During residency are DPM's given any salary?

I would appreciate all of your insight
Thanks

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DISGRUNTLED-ISM

by pod (no login)

TO ALL:

Please remember how lucky you are to hear opposing view points on this career choice. When I entered podiatry, the only info available was being provided by the schools. I seem to recall being told how everyone made 100K, worked exactly 40 hrs per week, never heard a paper go off, and had a butler and maid (just kidding on the last point).

Now with the internet and this site, you can read other view points and come to your own conclusion.
Once again, I think that this profession is ideal for those who have good business skills. I think that things can be rough for anyone looking for a j-o-b.
So in my opinion, many of the disgruntled pods as some call them have simply found that reality did not match their expectations. Sadly, for some, it did not even match their minimal suvival needs e.g. enough to pay back student loans and live a subsistence lifestyle.

So in conclusion, don't punish the messenger as though he or she is commiting heresy when you don't think the "party line" is being mouthed back to you. Instead, attempt to learn why some pods are successful and others are not. At the end of the day, it is going to be up to you to find a way to make a living and it is going to be your hide if you can't pay back your student loans.

-- pod

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Re: DISGRUNTLED-ISM

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TO THE READERS OF THE FORUM
TODAY I STARTED THRU AN ATTORNEY PROCEEDINGS TO CLOSE MY SOLO OFFICE. I HAVE ONLY BEEN OPEN 3 YEARS.
I AM TEARFUL AND ANGRY NOT AT THE PROFESSION BUT FOR THE PROFESSION.
EARILER THIS WEEK I WAS HIT WITH PICA BILL $8500 TO CUT TOE NAILS AND PARE CALLUS. APMA/STATE DUES
ASSOCIATES DUES, LICENSE RENEWAL, THE RESULT IS
ABOUT $15,000 GRAND JUST TO OPEN MY DOORS JAN 01, 2003

I STILL WAITING ON MY BILLERS TO STRAIGHTEN OUT WHAT MEDICARE OWES ME SINCE APRIL,MAY----NOVEMBER

WELL CASH FLOW WAS THE PROBLEM TO MUCH OUT NOT ENOUGHT COMING IN.

TO THOSE OF YOU THAT WILL POST COMMENTS AT MY EXPENSE
I WAS NOT LUCKY ENOUGH TO LAND THE 3 YEAR ppmr/psr ALL OF YOU SAY IT IS AVAILABLE.
I WAS PI DELTA BUT THAT DID NOT HELP I WAS INVOLVE AT
cpms THAT DID NOT HELP
PERHAPS AFTER I PAY MY DEBT OFF I WILL DO SOMETHING WITH THE DPM DEGREE BUT THAT IS IN 5 YEARS
I WISH ALL OF YOU GREAT LUCK

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podiatry books on ebay some out of print books

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I have posted some podiatry books on ebay including some out of print books...nine in total and more to come...so check it out if anyone is interested.
Regards Sinead

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reality check

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Okay folks,

I understand that podiatry has its negatives. There's no doubt about that, but so does anything else.

Right now I work for a software company that provides billing software for the orthotic and prosthetic business. Before I started working there I had no clue that O&P was big. O&P is huge. And sadly, it will continue to grow as more and more of the older generation get their limbs amputated.

One of our clients is a major hospital chain. Go into their database, look up physicians, and you'll see tons of DPMs. No joke.

But here's the thing: I have always liked surgery. I don't care if it's foot, general, dental, etc. It really doesn't matter to me. But what are the real chances of doing podiatric surgery? I really don't have the desire to deal with bunions and things of that nature on a daily basis. So what are the odds of really getting into surgery?

I have a few choices to go. I'll be applying to dental and medical school for 2005. I could enter podiatry in 2004, but I need more information about the reality of this profession.

Right now I make 25,000 a year and support a wife and kid. I'm getting a master's degree, but the reality is that most jobs out there will pay squat. Not only that, but unless you are the top of the top in my profession you will make zippo.

In fact, we hired a guy for 30,000 a year that used to make 80,000 a year as a network engineer. The guy knew his stuff, but couldn't get a job in a market that's so saturated.

So can someone give me the reality of podiatry? Are you strapped with debt and not making a dime? Did you try to get into surgery and it's not a reality?

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READ THIS

by Ben (no login)

The reality is that I'm strapped with debt and not making a dime.

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Re: reality check

by Anonymous (no login)

Go ask some of the pods in your database. Your local pod is the best source for this type of info.
This site is full of disgruntled pods or pods no longer pods! Why these people feel the need for verbal revenge is beyond me.

Posted on Dec 7, 2003, 10:50 AM
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What is a "disgruntled" pod???

by A. Blankenship (no login)

The very term, "digruntled" implies that you have NO understanding of when someone does you wrong or has a bias, prejudice, black-balls, revenge, or has been lied or falsely induced by fraudulent misrepresenatation of a career by slick PR tactics. These people have EVERY right to state their factual opinions. Liberals like to label people with the BS term, "disgruntled" one has EVERY right to be bitte, angry, and take action regarding what this 'field" has done to so many. Use your name, sir/madam.

Posted on Dec 8, 2003, 5:20 PM
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Like you used your your real name

by A. Suckenship DPM (no login)

A "disgruntled" pod is a pod that represents one percent of this profession and feels the need to seek revenge. This "field" had provided 99% of us with a secure viable profession.
Oh and by the way admissions are becoming competitive again and 3 year residencies will be the norm not the exception. These exceptional students will continue to raise the standards and acceptance of our profession. The profession will continue its evolution for the better, despite the fact that some of you think and hope podiatry is in a downward spiral.

Posted on Dec 9, 2003, 7:21 PM
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Are You a Doctor or Podiatrist?

by A. Blankenship (no login)

Again, disregarding your AM radio remarks, what is a 'disgruntled" pod. Get your emotional banter out it. Are you curious are to why the student loan default rate is analogous to DC? And pods and DC represent a very small minority in the allied health community. Are you interested why there is no universal scope. You are most likely a student or resident who thinks and believes the lies purported by the political elite that a 3 years inconsistent residency will be available for everyone. (LOL) even if this were so, guess who controls the hospitals, there are places whereby permission MUST be granted to do bunion and toe "surgery" from the orthopod (really). And that this 3 year massive training is going to be really rigorous and consistent. I completed a 3year at a well known hospital and the training was simply a farce. that is a fact. Infact, a retrospective analysis of the last 8 years of residents present well over 70% pursuing a totally different career. The rest clip and sell toe "surgery" at correctional facitlities and clinics. One makes 70K BEFORE taxes and has been out for 4 years with a 3yr 'surgical' whatever that means.

So before you with facts, insunate in an emotional manner that 99% of DPMs are doing well, check your facts. "disgruntled" is a liberal term used to dismiss justified anger toward corporate swine and others who take adv. of their workers. Please use your real name instead of hiding behind emotional tirades and juvenile remarks. Are you doctor or a podiatrist?

Caffe latte.

Posted on Dec 10, 2003, 4:12 PM
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Contact

by JP (no login)

Nick,

Look to find someone local in the field to advise you about the Prof. Dont look on here. Its the WRONG place. Better yet, look online at <www.aacpm.org> and/or look up "top paying salaries"(if thats you niche). You'll find more then just opinions by this search. On here, every "DPM" (if they are even DPM's) speaking seems to be a 2 dollar a week bitter peasant. I personaly have done the search and have found that in Indiana DPM's are ranked the 2nd highest paying career right under neuro-surg. But dont take anything from what I type, seeing is what counts. Of course on here, everyone will tell you that you are entering a hole that just gets bigger. Like I said, look anywhere but HERE. You'll be surprised what you can find.

JP

Posted on Dec 7, 2003, 12:59 PM
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Pods In the Boondocks of Indiana Make $$ 2nd to neurosurgeons??!!

by A. Blankenship (no login)

So the avg. DPM makes approx. 350K-500K a year, wowsers, that's certainly interesting.

Posted on Dec 8, 2003, 5:22 PM
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Look at sites websites outside USA

by Jean (no login)

I agree. I trained in UK and although some podiatrists work for the National Health Service and receive a paltry salary some work in private practice which is a booming $$$ area, if you have a business mind. Many podiatrists work both in the NHS and privately and make a very nice income about $70,000. Podiatrists I know that work only in private practice make a very comfortable living without surgery (they routinely do minimally invasive nail surgery). Podiatry is what you make of it like any other career. I am considering doing a DPM in a few years but I will have to do the maths first.
Regards Jean

Posted on Dec 13, 2003, 2:46 AM
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Hey Jean, don't worry about the maths just the $$$$.

by Anonymous (no login)

Just remember one thing about the US pod colleges... they want your $$$$$$ and that's it. Apply and they will let you in provided you have the $$$$ or have a good credit Hx, they'll bend over backwards to help you to apply for the loans. So apply now and you'll be accepted for Sept. 2004 because all they really care about is your willingness or ablilty to $$$$$ for the tuition.

Posted on Dec 28, 2003, 12:14 PM
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Re: reality check

by Anonymous (no login)

All DPM's can now do surgery. Now its just a matter of wheather you want to do just forefoot, and/or rearfoot.

Posted on Dec 7, 2003, 1:00 PM
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Podiatric income

by frank(young pod) (no login)

Podiatry is a good field to get into once you know the stengths and faults of the profession. The #1 fault with the profession is not the fact that we are procieved as being on the bottom of the medical chain in terms of health care, but rather the lack of unity in podiatry. Believe it or not, the majority of podiatrists out there would rather hang you than help you. Even when we not even total 10,000 nation wide, compare that with hundreds of thousands of MD's and DO. The are a number of great hearted podiatrists out there that would be more than happy to assist you with learning more about podiatry and helping to assist you, however they are hard to find, thus if you choose this field, my recomendation to you is to keep looking until you find that podiatrist. Find a great practice to purchase once you finish your residency or join a large group practice. Despite all the negativity on podiatry, the last time I checked, podiatrist make over 130k a year. I know several podiatrists who made a six figure salary without surgery. Surgery is good but it is not essential to be successful at podiatry despite all the hype about surgery.

Posted on Dec 7, 2003, 5:10 PM
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Young Pod is that Salary Before or After Taxes

by A. Blankenship (no login)

AFTER taxes, 130k is not alot of money IF you have a modest home, a modest car, a small family, electricity, food. water, student loans (DPMs have massive ones given no loan repayments thanks APMA), heat, insurance, gas, clothes, sanitary supplies, braces etc... The figure you so purport is most likely from the slick APMA BS PR of 130K.

Posted on Dec 8, 2003, 5:25 PM
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greedy

by New Pod (no login)

Just a quick conterpoint. Since when is $130k not a lot of money??? Right now I am a first year resident and my wife and I have a combined income of significanlty less than that. We have a modest home, all the bills that go along with that, I have started paying back my student loans. And we still have plenty extra to live off of. So If I made $130k after taxes our combined income would be much higher and we would have no problems living off that. Just pointing out that I disagree with your opinion that $130k is not a lot of money. People on this board are complaining about making $30k, I understand that...that is not a whole lot especially considering that hardships endured to get into this profession. But to complaing about $130k...I think thats crazy and getting greedy. You have every right to expect to make 130k or more but it takes a lot of work. But just graduating with a DPM degree should not entitle anyone to make $130k.

New Pod

Posted on Dec 10, 2003, 4:35 PM
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Are u crazy??

by Anonymous (no login)

Are you kidding 130,000/year before taxes isn't that good? That puts you in the top 3-5% of the country. Please don't say that in public, you'll be attacked!
BTW, everyone pays taxes even the 250,000/year individual.

Posted on Dec 10, 2003, 6:42 PM
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correct figures

by podstu (no login)

there are a lot of sources for information on income. The figure mentioned by the young pod is really close if not right on the figure that the government has published on the website for the bureau of labor and statistics. This is reliable info published from auditable data. Go for yourselves and check it out at www.bls.gov

Posted on Dec 12, 2003, 3:20 PM
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