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Post Match

by NostrdaPodus (no login)

The residency match has occurred, and the consensus seems to be about 90% obtained surgical programs (some of which, to the chagrin of the resident, will turn out to be a waste of precious time). So that means, what, 10+ per cent of the next generation of pods just pissed away a hundred large and four years. What a country!!

Prediction: of the 50-100 esteemed colleagues that just took a major bone, 5-10 will bother to post on this or other forums to try to prevent this from happening to other poor souls in the future. Let's see, a minimum of 50 per year times 10 years equals...
give me a minute, I'm just a pod....Holy Hallux V!!!!!!!!....there's at least 500 pods out there that must think like the "5 or 6" doomsters that post now.

Any normal business that had a 10% dissatisfied customer rate would last about 2 years.

Podiatry somehow stumbles on. I guess you can't fault us for lack of tenacity.

Posted on Mar 24, 2003, 8:18 AM
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interesting arguement

by A.A.D. (no login)

Well I have to disagree with what you posted. I do not disagree that there may be 500 podiatrist out there that are unhappy. I have no idea on that number. But I dont agree that this is a bad profession because 10% didn't get surgical programs. First, at my school (Des Moines) everyone that I know of got surgical programs. Granted there are only 29 of us but that is part of the reason we all got what we wanted. Schools need to be more selective of who they admit and graduate. Of those 10% you say didnt get surgical programs I would be willing to bet that many of them probably shouldn't have passed through school. So it is best they they dont get a surgical program. Its horrible to think that some people wasted 4 years and tons of money but it happens. Most schools are just trying to make money by keeping students as long as possible. But that isnt a problem with the profession, its a problem with the schools.

2nd, just because you dont get a surgical program doesnt mean you are screwed. I know of people that are very happy and making money not doing any surgery. Heck, do one ingrown toenail or two a day and maybe an injection and you have a decent amount of money right there. no, its not enough to by that BMW but its pretty good. Some people actually choose not to have a surgical program because they are more interested in conservative care and biomechanics (yuck!). There is money to be made in that area.

So in conclusion, there are people out there that are struggling, yes. Every profession has that. Just because you get a degree doesnt guarantee you a dream job no matter what field you go into. Podiatry is the same. But in many cases the poor outcome has been because of poor planning and an unwillingness to adapt to the changing markets or change a failing business strategy. How else do you explain the fact that the only struggling podiatrists I know are either poorly trained or terrible doctors (bad with people). Just getting the degree doesnt entitle you to a life of riches. There are many other factors which you control that determines your success. I dont know only the lucky people (that would have to be your only arguement) that are making it. So take a look at your situation and figure out whats wrong. Quit blaming everyone and everything else. Are you in a bad market? Do you have an abrasive personality? Do you lack adequate training? No, not everyone that is doing poorly has done something wrong, but more times than not its in your control to fix.

A.A.D.

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Here,here!

by Gavin (no login)

I Agree!

Posted on Mar 28, 2003, 12:12 AM
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who's problem ??

by anon (no login)

Why, pray tell is a MAJOR problem with the schools NOT
a problem with the profession??

Posted on Mar 28, 2003, 10:04 AM
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looser with a capital L

by response to nostrapodus (no login)

Agree with NostraPodus! It doesn't matter how stellar your grades, how exemplary a student, whether or not you assisted with student teaching or joined a frat or worked or whatever. Caspr/Crip is like a roll of the die, or as Dr. Gump would say, "Podiatry residency is like a box of chocolates....never know what you'll get." Somer are lucky to get a chocolate at all.
Gavin, you're fooling yourself if you think the pods that didn't match were "poor" candidates, just unlucky.
Conservative care practice can be a good living, however if one's desire had been to become surgically active in the field since DAY 1 (of school), it is rather disappointing.
My advice to the students, just pass. Don't go the extra mile, no one will notice. If on externship, focus on the "extracurricular" activities, the dinner or drink with the "group" in the evening. Tea totelers, like myself, who retire at 8 pm and are up by 5 am are not well respected in our field, it seems. Try not to be a nerdy bookworm, most directors aren't and don't respect residents smarter than themselves.

Sign Me,
LOOSER

Posted on Apr 6, 2003, 6:21 PM
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Where can a podiatrist turn to?

by Anonymous (no login)

A podiatrist who is disgruntled and "screwed" has no where to turn to. They can rant on this board but there is no one to help. There is one exception- but they are too expensive. Helping podiatrists yea right.

Posted on Mar 22, 2003, 11:10 AM
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reply

by Stu Pod (no login)

You certainly won't find much helpful advice here. Having followed this forum for 4 years, dozens of very successful podiatrists (surgically and non-surgically trained) have stopped here briefly, attempting to "give back" with helpful advice to those that seemed to be struggling here. It doesn't take them long to realize that the forum is dominated by a half dozen Doom and Gloomers who have absolutely no interest in bettering themselves or the profession. After growing tiresome (usually in about one week) of reading the bitching and moanings of the Doomers and Gloomers, they take their six figure practice income knowledge elsewhere. There is alot of great practice management advice out there for those that truly want it, but you will seldom find it here.

Posted on Mar 24, 2003, 9:11 PM
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>Surgery< is just not >valued<

by Dr Smith (no login)

To all of you guys who are going for the 24 month surgical programs and think that you are set up for life -- the fees for surgery are less every year.

Posted on Mar 21, 2003, 11:35 PM
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something must be valued

by Stu Pod (no login)

With each subsequent podiatric practice survey, office visits per month and net income continue to increase, so something must be valued.

Posted on Mar 24, 2003, 8:27 PM
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Fees TOO high.

by Anonymous (no login)

Well, you insist that podiatry fees are high and getting higher.

I will write a letter to the Senator and other politicians insisting that Podiatry fees be lower.
Gotta save some of the Medicare money.

Will urge my patients to do the same also. Thank you.
Good suggestions.

Posted on Mar 25, 2003, 8:29 PM
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au contraire

by anon (no login)

If one looks at the survey results from a major pod publication, one will be struck by the fact that net income is LESS than approx 10 years ago.

Posted on Mar 26, 2003, 8:05 AM
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sources?

by Stu Pod (no login)

According to JAPMA Jan/Feb 2003, average net income for:

2001: $134,415
1997: $110,631
1995: $108,156

What are your sources?

Posted on Mar 26, 2003, 11:31 AM
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$$$$$$$$

by anon (no login)

latest PM magazine survey

Posted on Mar 26, 2003, 4:52 PM
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???

by Stu Pod (no login)

I get the magazine. Which issue???

Posted on Mar 28, 2003, 2:55 AM
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Untitled

by REAL DOCTOR (no login)

According to the survey published in the most current JAPMA, both gross and net incomes for podiatrists across all age and specialty groups have increased over the years. While it is true that income is highly dependent on three factors such as ownership of practice, board certification in foot and ankle surgery, and the number of patients seen, income is still on the rise and expected to be on the rise so why are there so much dissident DPMs speaking against podiatry as a profession?

Posted on Mar 21, 2003, 12:34 PM
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stats

by Just Browsing . . . (no login)

I am not a podiatrist, but in response to your question regarding the increasing income, that could depend on a variety of factors. I have not read the survey, but from what wwas stated in a previous post, it was from members of the APMA (sorry if I messed up the acronym). So, it can be conculded that the survey is only reliable for that subpopulation of podiatrists. How many practicing podiatrists are not members of the APMA? How many podiatrists left the profession? How many podiatrists do other tasks for a living full-time in a podiatric capacity (teach, consult, research, etc). In order to get a true estimate of the podiatric income, and thus the earning power of the degree, these individuals would need to be surveyed. Maybe there are a small number of podiatrists who make the majority of the money, and they are overrepresented in the APMA, whereas other subpopulations of podiatrists are underrepresented in this organization, thus skewing the results. These are only my thought based on what I inferred from these posts.

Posted on Mar 24, 2003, 7:11 PM
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Most Actors Make Incredible Amts. $$$, Pod. Stats

by John Anderson (no login)

Amen; many pods are not acutely aware of statistics even at the most fundamental level. Some purport income stats from the APMA as evidence of a "healthy" profession. This can not be further from the truth. Sub populations, mathematically rigorous statistics, and other population data is not included in APMA "surveys."- The "surveys" are used as a smoke/mirrors screen to help forward a spin story.

Spouting forth, the 138K average podiatry salary based on a statistically biased report is analogous to stating that the majoirity of actors are filthy rich and that the remaining are mere "negativists." The Hollywood "celebs" are less than 1% of all actors. The rest are waiting tables, working the security detail, to make money for food and shelter.

Posted on Mar 25, 2003, 9:45 AM
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Dear Mr. who cares good 4u, Good luck !

by (no login)

Dear Mr. who cares good 4u,

I haven't even got close to the big time here "down under", but I enjoy my life style.

I have Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday off. I start consulting at 3pm on Tuesdays and finish at 5:30pm. Every Thursday I start at 3:30pm and finish at 7pm. So yes... I live a good life.

Income...
Your words in your post suggest you do not own a practice yet. One of my practices earns me a salary of just over 80k after all expenses... wages, staff, business loans, rent and all other expenses. I pay tax on this, NOT the amount it grosses. As a business owner many expenses can be claimed as business expenses (refer to Robert Kiyosaki's "Cashflow Quadrant" and "Rich Dad' Poor Dad"). This will help to explain things more clearly than I can in one post.

My practice provides all Podiatry services, is 75% biomechanics and performs nail surgery only. The guy down the road is a Podiatric surgeon... that's all he does so the scope of Podiatry here in Australia is quite broad. We can do anything we like below the knee.

I understand your loans can appear overwhelming when you first graduate.

I have learnt a great deal from successful Americans and can only express my appreciation towards them. I don't make the rules of success, I just try to observe them and whenever possible copy them. People like Michael Gerber, Blair Singer, Robert Kiyosaki, Tony Robbins, John Burley, Henry Ford, Dale Carnegie,etc. etc. They all share the secrets. Unfortunately, some people just aren't ready to move to the next level and don't apply the rules for success. There are also those that do without even knowing it. I chose a mentor then "When the going got tough", well... you know the rest.

I only hope you achieve success in all you choose to do.

Good luck and best wishes.

Gavin

P.S. Any positive minded Podiatrist interested in working here in Australia should email us.
A business partner needs a Podiatrist with a view to a partnership. If interested email leawood@chariot.com.au

Posted on Mar 21, 2003, 2:32 AM
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nice try---but its a lie

by who cares good 4u (no login)

To Lie to oneself must be the greatest crime. You obviously love to fill those young eager minds with lies, and yes, I do believe you would be very surprised if you knew who I worked for. Truth be known, there is 0% chance of you clearing 80G net. No day, no way. I layed it all out for you, the truth that is.
Good luck to you
sincerely,
who cares, good 4u

Posted on Mar 24, 2003, 2:02 PM
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Gavin

by Stu Pod (no login)

Gavin, I've enjoyed your posts over the past few weeks. The reasons for your success are obvious, and you would certainly do great in U.S. as well.

Thanks again for the posts, and continued success to you.

Posted on Mar 24, 2003, 9:24 PM
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There goes Stu Pod again... Gavin probably can't even practice in the USA but

by Anon (no login)

Stu Pod writes that Gavin would do great in the USA. That's really putting the horse before the cart Stu Pod. I certainly don't mean to insult you. I was just as optimistic when I was in college as you are but then you graduate and slowly grim reality sets in. There are not 2-6 podiatrists bitching & complaining on this Forum about the profession. I've spoken to 50+ over the years and almost everyone of them had bad things to say about podiatry and to the best of my knowledge, none of their children followed in their footsteps.

Posted on Mar 25, 2003, 10:05 PM
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thats funny

by A.A.D. (no login)

Funny you should mention kids following in their parents footsteps. On my 4th year rotations this year I ran across several programs that already had some spots filled by children of the attending podiatrists. So that arguement that podiatrists wouldnt want their kids to follow in their footsteps just doesnt hold water. 2 programs I spent a month at (out of 5) had spots promised to kids of the attendings, plus the private practice rotation I had in my hometown had a doc whose kids was finishing residency this year and he was coming back to work with his dad. So its kinda funny how you are supposedly out there and know many docs and dont know any whose kids are also becoming podiatrists. Yet I am just an optimistic 4th year student that has yet to experience the real world and I know more podiatrists children following in their parents footsteps than you do.

Just a thought,
AAD

Posted on Mar 26, 2003, 10:04 AM
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birds of a feather

by Stu Pod (no login)

I guess birds of a feather must really flock together, because while some of the 100 or so pods that I've met over the past 4 years might have some gripes about managed care and the like, 95+% of them were doing very well financially. Fellow students and others have reported similar observations on this forum. Extensive surveys have backed this up.

Contrary to your observations, I've also met several second generation podiatry students and residents, as I'm sure other students have.

Posted on Mar 26, 2003, 11:19 AM
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Dear Dr. Smith... I understand your scepticism.

by (no login)

Dear Dr. Smith,

I understand your scepticism. It seems every way you turn these days, someone is trying to sell you something... especially on the internet.

Let me make myself clear:

1. I'm no saviour and don't pretend to be one.

2. You're right... I'm no expert on American Podiatry and the American Healthcare system.

However, we are all to eager to blame the government, the system, health insurance companies and anyone or anything else for our own misfortune or dissatisfaction. I use to do the same. Now I take full responsibility for where I am today and where I will be tomorrow.

When I first commenced practice, health insurance rebates amounted to approximately 75-90% of total patient fees for my practice. Today patients receive rebates of between 35 to 50% of total patient fees. Our practice costs have increased, insurance premiums have increased, yet insurance rebates have fallen behind drastically in real terms.

Has my income decreased? NO.

We have no Medicare coverage for Podiatry here in Australia so people pay me a large proportion of their bill out of their own pocket. WHY?

Because they choose to based on their own perception of the value of our service BUT I'M NO BETTER clinically than the Podiatrist down the road, however, we run our practice differently and it's sometimes better, and more profitable, to be different than it is to be better.

I feel extremely fortunate that I'm able to enjoy the freedom I do, but even here, Podiatrists struggle. Who do they blame if they're not happy? Anyone or anything but themselves.

In answer to your question Dr. Smith, I have nothing to sell you but hope. I hope you achieve all the good fortune and happiness that you desire.

The price for this hope: $ FREE OF CHARGE.

Wishing you all the best.

Gavin.

P.S. "Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence"
Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent.
Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb.
Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts.
Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent.
The slogan 'press on' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race." -Calvin Coolidge

Posted on Mar 21, 2003, 2:09 AM
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Non-Podiatric Wish

by John Anderson (no login)

A non-podiatric topic-

Regardless of one's political views, let us all wish our brave men and women in the Middle East a safe return and that our prayers are with them.

Best regards,
John

Posted on Mar 20, 2003, 3:16 PM
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loans, loans, magical debt

by Miss Indebtedness (no login)

My student loans from podiatry school have really grown since taking them out many years ago. As I've searched for a residency program, I've kept them in forebearance for several years and like seeds for magic beans they keep growing and growing. Funny how there's such a long time from pod school to residency training to real job...Oh well, thank goodness for forbearance options!!!!
Have to run, time for another bologna sandwich!
Yours Financially,
Podiatry Food For Thought

Posted on Mar 20, 2003, 11:24 AM
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Student Loans May Destroy

by Dr Smith (no login)

Yes, the Student Loans can destory the podiatrist.
It is a gamble today.

Posted on Mar 20, 2003, 7:47 PM
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Loans come and loans go

by Podiatry Resident (no login)

You will pay them in time. Aim high and you will pay them sooner then you think.

Posted on Apr 12, 2003, 1:15 AM
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<B>What a fascinating read...</B> I believe most can still make it, if you really want t

by (no login)

<B>"Every adversity, every failure, every heartache carries with it the seed of an equal or greater benefit."</B> <i>- Napoleon Hill</i>

I've stumbled across this forum and one could certainly excuse me for feeling depressed.

<B>"There is no sadder sight than a young pessimist."</B> --<i> Mark Twain</i>

I too am a Podiatrist back here in Australia. I practice in the most competitive state in Australia where there's one Podiatrist to every 6,000 people in our state. If there was a total of 15,000 Podiatrists in the USA and a population of only 250 million, then a ratio of 1:16,500 is still a lot better than the ratio I have to deal with.

Even so, I still survive quite comfortably on an income of close to six figures consulting just six hours per week... yes I said six hours per week.

I now spend more time growing my practice than I do working in it. <B>Why? I love promoting my practice and it allows me to spend more time with my family.</B>

I say this because it is achievable if you follow a few simple rules. I'm not trying to impress people, but moreso impress upon you that you can succeed if you really want to.

<B>"Whether you think you can or think you can't -- you are right."</B> --<i> Henry Ford</i>

It is so much easier to winge and complain than it is to set goals and <B>take action</B> to achieve them.

A friend of mine once said to me that <B>"If you aim for zero, you'll always hit your target."</B> This friend has achieved outstanding financial success.

I read the posts in this forum and feel that most of the pessimistic posts forecasting "doom and gloom" for Podiatry are written by those who have either achieved outstanding credentials or are in the process of doing so. <B>BUT... Stop beating yourselves up guys.</B> DECIDE what you want in your life and then go out and grab it with both hands.

Please, please remember... as Podiatrists we were trained in the science and art of healing. As professionals, most have outstanding diagnostic skills and treatment ability. <B>So why do so many Podiatrists still struggle in podiatry practice?</B>

The secret is... we were never told how to market ourselves and our practices, <B>effectively.</B> Most of us were never issued a marketing degree along with the DPM.

I'm not talking about advertising campaigns, I'm talking about strategic marketing and business plans. I'm talking about success plans which don't allow your emotions to restrict your progress.

I've built my practice to where it is today through self education in marketing , business and most importantly... quality patient service. People will pay you what you are worth according to their perception of the value that you provide. The universal "law of equilibrium" as described by Dr. Demartini applies here as it does in all areas of our lives.

You can succeed financially at whatever you choose to do.

Remember the old adage...<B>Most people don't plan to fail, they fail to plan?</B>

Never a truer statement was made.

I would be happy to offer any assistance to those who feel I can help.

Wishing you all the best life has to offer.

<B>"People of mediocre ability sometimes achieve outstanding success because they don't know when to quit. Most people succeed because they are determined to."</B> -- <i>George Allen</i>

Gavin.
(Podiatrist)
<B>http://www.podcare.com</B>
<B>http://www.shoetips.com</B>


Posted on Mar 19, 2003, 1:55 AM
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What are you gonna sell us?

by Dr Smith (no login)

Wow, Doctor, I feel better already.

It is really good that the expert on American Podiatry has come to rescue me. There might be a few things that you don't know about the American Healthcare system, don't you think?

Posted on Mar 20, 2003, 12:18 AM
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what are you talking about

by who cares good 4u (no login)

Congrats, you have finally made it to the big time "down under". I wonder if your almost 6 figure salary (which could be 10,000) for all I know comes with a heavy pricetag such as, perhaps, student loans in excess of 120000(thats 1500 per month for 15 years). That sure does take a bite. Besides, you guys only clip toenails, true. Yes, you should only make 99,999 per year on that . Now decrease your pay by about 1/3 for taxes=66,666 per year. Don't forget overhead, roughly 20%=53,666, now decrease that by yearly loan payments (18,000)=35,666, now try to make a car payment, house payment, and if you have staff, that takes you down to a negative number. Enjoy saving for your retirement.
Good day mate
Sincerely
who cares

Posted on Mar 20, 2003, 9:17 AM
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Hey re-locate to the USA and report you're incredible success on this forum.

by Anon (no login)

You'll make much more money here because there are soooo few podiatrists to compete with and with your positive attitude you'll do so well that you can graduate to practice consultant -that's where you'll make 10x more income from yes... consulting for other podiatrists. No more stinky feet to look at but a much easier lifestyle, much better income and a more fulfilling purpose in life by helping so many other podiatrists also make lots and lots of money with your tidbits of wisdom. "Man makes money the root of all evil" -anon.

Posted on Mar 22, 2003, 11:37 AM
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7 Year Old Pipe Dream

by Anonymous (no login)

This article was written 7 years ago and a lot has happened in the interim. Brevity has becme the norm, not the exception.

Foot pathologies will always be among us. Those individuals who are able to alleviate suffering in a professional, empathetic, and cost-effective manner will survive and propser. Those who can't will fall by the wayside. Here's a news flash: most foot problems do not require sugery, so why all the hue and cry concerning MD/DPM, PSR1,2,3,4 et al.

Look closely at the case of poor Brian Gale. He was superbly trained and look what it for him. Contact him if you want to learn the real truth behind the Podiatry fraternity.

Posted on Mar 17, 2003, 9:39 PM
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Podiatric MDs of the next generation

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Podiatric MDs of the Next Generation
by Anonymous
Forum Owner

Scope:
Podiatric MDs of the Next Generation
By Howard Zlotoff, DPM

Predicting the scope of practice for podiatric medicine one generation into the next century, I see extraordinary change. Some of it is already underway. Much of it is inevitable. All of it will change everything about the practice and even the identity of podiatry just a few decades from now. Perhaps no one wants to envision it, but envisioning the future is half of one's ability to cope with it.

I predict there will be no podiatrists as we know them today. Yes, there will be foot and ankle specialists, but they will be MD's, not DPM's. They will graduate not from podiatry colleges, which will all disappear, but from foot and ankle training facilities attached to major allopathic institutions. They will not be antagonistic to orthopaedic surgeons; rather they will be colleagues sharing the same professional and academic associations. Indeed our sons and daughters will not practice in isolation or separation from the rest of medicine, but side-by-side with other medical specialists. My vision will not arrive during my years of practice, but certainly within two decades, maybe within one.

Think of where our profession was a generation ago, or two generations ago, and look forward. Our path has been toward treating the whole body. Our continuing evolution along that path must and will be part and parcel of all of healthcare as it lurches forward in constant redefinition.

The evolution of medical care here in the United States was rather benign and predicable until the Civil War. The only revolution in medicine revolved around new pharmaceuticals until the concept of safe general anesthesia allowed invasive surgeries to proceed and life saving procedures to occur.

Amputations of gangrenous or infected limbs became critical life-saving techniques in wartime. Excising tumors became possible. The advent of penicillin and other antimicrobial drugs further enhanced medical care by eliminating common infections following surgery or traumatic wounds and thus improving survival rates dramatically.

As we look back over the past 50 years, we can see that medical care took a new direction with a sophistication of technology that allowed better diagnostic study of pathological conditions. Clearly, the discovery of therapeutic x-ray was the first milestone on which higher levels of patient care were built. These tools allowed physicians to identify diseased organs, assess wounds more accurately, and develop treatment plans - surgical and conservative - with higher prognostic accuracy and success rates.

How does this relate to the scope of practice in podiatry? The knowledge base for medicine became so complex that specialization of human physiology led to various disciplines of organ systems and anatomic regions of the human body. One person could no longer be capable and competent in the diagnostic and therapeutic procedures related to all medical challenges and effectively render quality care. Podiatry was born to care for lower extremity disorders. Today, podiatric medicine and surgery incorporate the most advanced and very latest technological advances needed to diagnose and treat with successful, safe, and predictable outcomes.

Now modern medicine is being challenged not in the type of treatment rendered, but rather in the way it is delivered to the patient population. Managed care systems have established the gatekeeper and other restrictive concepts, allowing the primary care provider to use a generalized knowledge base to triage patient complaints and render primary care. The care may not be based on the use of sophisticated diagnostic processes or employ state of the art equipment. Rather, it provides a very basic treatment program to relieve pain and return function to the affected system or anatomic structure - even if there is compromised care. In consequence, the patient is no longer in the decision making loop. The patient often cannot select the type of specialist unless the primary care provider makes the options known to the patient and allows access to specialists such as the pediatric physician.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to look down the road, even just a decade from now, and predict what the scope of practice for podiatry will be. Simply, there no longer will be podiatric specialists treating basic foot and ankle disorders. These conditions will be handled by primary care doctors or their designated nurse practitioners under supervision. Only those patients beyond conservative therapy will be passed along to the specialist for further investigation. That next step will indeed use high cost technologies and procedures to reach a successful outcome. Podiatric surgeons will have a place in patient care at this level and their expertise in making the correct diagnosis and rendering appropriate care will justify their presence. This reality is already in place today with certain medical care models and seems to be highly efficient and successful.

Can podiatry survive once the process of managed care captures the entire marketplace? In my opinion, we will see a gradual absorption of the podiatric profession to allopathic medicine - more precisely orthopaedics with a fellowship in foot and ankle. What will be the decisive factor? The podiatric colleges.

Prohibitive tuition at some point will make standalone podiatric education out of reach. This will be the final pressure on podiatric educational institutions to seek creative solutions. One by one they will blend into osteopathic and medical schools. Already, the Iowa college is associated with an osteopathic university. The California College of Podiatric Medicine is even now merging into an osteopathic institution. And what choice do they have? Podiatric colleges are almost completely dependent upon tuition for support. But they are producing too many students for too few residencies and too few jobs in too few locations.

Joint-venturing with medical schools to share basic science resources and clinical training facilities is step one. Take one obvious step further: why maintain a separate degree of podiatry from that of a medical degree? Students from these institutions will in fact share common basic science education and then branch out into specialty disciplines of their own interest, or based upon community need. Each will take his or her place in the healthcare delivery system. Just after the turn of the century, we will see a growing cadre of double-degree graduates, such as Joe Jones, DO, DPM. Osteopathy, however, will be a waystation. A few years later it will be Joe Jones, MD, DPM and then simple Joe Jones, MD. Indeed, Dr. Jones probably will be a member of the American Orthopaedic Foot and Ankle Society, the American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons, and the American Medical Association.

Basic diagnostic responsibilities will fall on primary care providers and their staff. Simple therapeutic measures will be attempted and if successful, the patient will be cured. Conditions or pathologies unresponsive to primary care will be referred to a specialist such as D. Jones who is trained to order appropriate diagnostic tests, incorporate diagnostic skills learned in advanced training programs of that specialty, and then provide appropriate surgical, medical, or conservative care to achieve a successful outcome. Don't expect a leap of scope north of the ankle. the foot and ankle specialist will be just that - a foot and ankle specialist. There will be no need to address the knee once the specialist is but a foot and ankle specialist with the allopathic family.

So, what will the scope of podiatry be a century from now? We will no longer see the profession as an isolated branch of allied healthcare but rather as a branch of allopathic medicine with a specialization of lower extremity expertise rendering care in a managed care delivery system. This will promote financial efficiency both in educating specialists and also in rendering cost-effective and high quality medical care to patients in the future. And the podiatric community will have proven by its own educational, diagnostic, and treatment record that it has earned the long-delayed right to function shoulder to shoulder with all other doctors in all delivery modes. Did it have to wait until the next century?

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Howard Zlotoff, DPM, is the President of the American College of Foot and Ankle Surgeons. His Predictions are personal and do not represent the organization.

The above article appeared in the December 1996 issue of BIOMECHANICS

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Comp 24 is not PSR 24.

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To correct a poster below: the new Comp 24 and 36s are about equal to the old PPMR-PSR12 and PPMR-PSR24 respectively.

I think standardization of training is a great step for the prefession and the APMA/CPME/Schools have hit this nail on the head. Bravo for your efforts.

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If you insist

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Let me put it to you this way, it may be a great step for the profession, but guess what, all of us recent graduates were left in the balance for the last 3 months trying to figure out what was gonna happen to us. No one would give us a straight answer, no director, no person from the CPME. I wrote them 4 emails and all i got was a secretary saying to ask the director. Great way to treat your colleagues. To put it this way, the way they did this really sucks. This goes along the way of what another podiatrist told me that the profession eats their young. I didnt want to believe it, but i have found out with this decision that it is true. Who made this decision? Were we asked what we thought? NO!!!
They just did it. And it left a lot of us in the dark. I guess i have to say to the ones who made the decision, THANKS A LOT!!!! and that goes with every sarcastic meaning that may go along with it. I dont agree with this at all. I was never asked, as well as my other colleagues. I dont think that this is gonna make more competent podiatrists. I think this is gonna get a lot of people who have no skills the knife and out profession is gonna suffer. Sorry for venting, but I have been very frustrated with this decision.



    
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SURGICAL/RESEARCH FELLOWSHIP OPPORTUNITY

by Robert Salk, DPM (no login)

Duration: 1 year (Aug 1st - July 31st)
Stipend: commensurate with level of training including health ins/malpractice ins.

Requirements: 2 yr residency

Locations:San Francisco, Santa Rosa, and Willits, CA


We encourage those individuals sincerely motivated in continuing their education at the highest level. We are a motivated and ethical group of physicians with a large volume of patients. We are actively involved in research and publications which include development of study protocols and IDE/ IND submissions to the FDA.

Our fellow will be given the opportunity to obtain a tremendous depth of experience in both forefoot and extensive rearfoot surgery including arthroscopy.

The fellow is expected to obtain a California license before the start of the program. (Licensure requires the PMLexis exam/NBPME Part III).

Interested candidates should submit a letter of intent and CV via email. email: drsalk@footankle.info

3/13/03. We are currently screening candidates. We welcome all serious candidates to apply. The core physicians in the group include: Thomas Chang, DPM, Walter D'Costa, DPM and Robert Salk, DPM.

Please forward this information to anyone that may be interested in this fellowship opportunity. Thank you.

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Residency and then success

by A.A.D. (no login)

This is my first post, but I have been a long time reader. I remember as a first year reading some of these posts and actually feeling like I had made a big mistake. Now I have a few more years under my belt and have visting several places in the country and have seen podiatrists not only doing well, but even liking what they are doing...imagine that! Well everyone has posted about getting programs. I know at my school 90% matched and those people also matched to what they wanted. Everyone I have talked to (about 50%) from my class matched with a PSR24 or better. Im sure the others did as well. I got a PSR24 and Im thrilled about it.
Stu Pod has posted some great figures from an article I have read myself and those figure agree with most things I have seen. I even know a lady who graduated from a PSR24 and started up her own practice in a town that already has a good number of podiatrists and she is doing decent. No, she isnt driving a BMW but she has only been in practice just over a year. She said the makes enough money to pay the bills (both personal and business) and her loans. So as her practice grows she will make more and eventually her loans will be paid off too. No, she isnt trimming nails all day either.
So what is the real reason all of you are so negative? I dont want to hear crap about not being able to make money. If you arent making money its because you didnt get adequately trained or you are too lazy to go out and find one of the many opportunities out there screaming for a podiatrist. Quit being bitter old men and try a little hard work and you will be suprised how far that can get you.

A.A.D.

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High Five to Those with Positive Energy

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Enjoy what you do, and you will be successful. I believe that.

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The haves and have nots

by Jeffrey C. Davids, DPM (no login)

Sorry to be such a "doom and gloomer," but I just had to post this:

For anybody who still thinks we are a united profession and that PPMR/POR grads should just "suck it up," let me relate what I learned today:

I was visiting the local hospital (I'm new in town here) because my wife was getting some lab work done. Anyway, I picked up a list of their staff physicians, which were listed by specialty.

Under "Staff members," they had a section entitled "Podiatric Surgery." Under "Allied Health Professions," they had a section entitled "Podiatry."

I think that says it all. If you don't match surgery, you are not considered as much of a "doctor" as somebody who did.

A very sad commentary indeed.

Jeffrey C. Davids, DPM

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luckily

by Stu Pod (no login)

Luckily, with more students shying away from medical careers, most everyone these days IS getting the surgical training. 89% so far in our class. That's a huge change from several years back, when many people could not get the surgical training. Beginning in 2006, it will only be surgical PSR-24's and 36's. With apologies to those that missed out on surgical training in years past, you can't compare today's opportunities for new grads to those just 5 years ago, and it's only getting better.

P.S. I hope everything went well with your wife's tests.

Stu

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Match

by Student (no login)

Me and my three best friends, all without connections or kissing up:

PSR36
PSR36
PSR36
PPMR-PSR12 (he didn't want rearfoot training)

I'm not saying this to gloat. By and large the responsible and hard working members of my class matched with very good programs. Those that screwed off for four years or were real pricks didn't match.

The problems: Need even more quality programs (which will continue to happen over time). Need more quality applicants (so we don't get students that screw off for four years, don't match, then end up on the podiatry forum in five more years). For the few good students in my class that didn't match, they will most likely end up at a decent programs that also didn't match applicants. Good luck to all.

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similar story

by Stu Pod (no login)

89% of our students matched to surgical programs, and I'm sure the other 11% will end up with a good program during the scramble.

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podiatry under represented in home health care

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As a home health nurse I have found that our home health clients are often not followed by a podiatrist. At least 65-70% of these clients are elderly,diabetic,
have PVD,arthritis,are on blood thinners and are unable to properly care for their feet. I would love to work with a few podiatrist who are able to make house call and continue with these individuals when they are nolonger house bound and can come to your office. I am an R.N. and licensed nail technician and able to assist you with your patient care issues. Any thoughts? I'm located in southern california. Los Angeles County.

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NO MONEY in homecare

by Dr Poor Ietry (no login)

There is no secret why you won't find many podiatrists doing home care. Medicare pays podiatry very little, if that at all for this service.

In fact, Medicare will pay the RN $90 for the visit of the diabetic person to evaluate the foot, rather than pay the Podiatrist.

Why doesn't medicare respect podiatry enough to pay them a "doctor's fee" for these problems?

That is a subject that everyone who is considering going into podiatry should answer for himself.

I dont think that it will change, other than the fact that it will get worse for podiatry.

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If there is an E/M service, there is a Medicare payment

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Medicare has a broad range of inhome Evaluation and Management codes. These are 99341-99349. The reimbursement for these codes is very good; but one must realize that a doctor cannot see as many homecare patients in a day as the doctor could see in an office setting.
For a patient to be "MEDICARE homebound" requires specific criteria that differs according to Medicare carrier. Even so, there must be a reason (diagnosis) that the patient is homebound (e.g., CVA, Ulcer, etc.,) and the patient must be limited in her ability to leave the home (e.g., ambulation requires crutch, cane, walker, wheelchair, etc.).
Most "MEDICARE homebound" patients are very ill/frail.
Lastly, nurses are NOT paid by Medicare. The homecare nursing AGENCY is able to bill Medicare and this is done through part A of Medicare. Physicians are reimbursed under part B of Medicare. Physicians (including podiatrists) are able to bill Medicare for requesting inhome nursing care and for recertification of this care.

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wrong forum

by Stu Pod (no login)

Try Podiatry Online or Podiatry Management News(also online) if you are trying to hook up with a podiatrist.

Posted on Mar 14, 2003, 4:57 PM
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They are out there....

by Dr.StraightShoota (no login)

Match results are done, bunch of surgical programs still available...

Stop cryin about your lack of surgical training... Go do a surgical residency....

Advance yoursleves... take your POR's and RPR's and better yourselves.

StraightShoota

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Economic Credentialling is LEGAL

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This message is for all of you who think that your one year Residency WITH Surgical Boards makes you bullet proof and will keep your Surgical Privileges.

IT WON'T AND YOU CAN NOT STOP THE HOSPITAL FOR GETTING RID OF YOU.

As competition get stiffer, depending on the hospital you are at and the local politics, the hospital can simply not recredential you. The Hospital can change the bylaws in which only those with a two year residency can do surgery, and the older ones are not grandfathered in.

AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO.

In many states, one can legally not be accepted as there are too many podiatrists,,, even if that number is one.
AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO. You can get a lawyer and make noice, but, you won't prvail. You can sue, and you won't win.

Do you like the way "medicine" and "podiatry" is going?

Don't argue with me or even entertain your opinions. These are the facts, and they remain the facts regardless of your "feelings'.

Trust me, I know about this stuff

THE CENTER FOR PEER REVIEW JUSTICE, INC
"leading by standing behind you"

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Is it just me?

by Stu Pod (no login)

Is it just me, or does anyone else wonder whether a little black rain cloud continually hovers over this Justice Society of America headquarters???

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Re: Is it just me?

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He sees what is really going on. A senior student has limited experience.

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Re: Is it just me?

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If everything always looked bright and rosy, they would have nothing to do.

Therefore it is in their interest to make things look as bad as possible. Keep telling everyone how horrible things are everywhere, and then tell them that you can help.

But, I just haven't seen the same things they claim.

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What's going on?

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Recently when I have brought up this site, I have had a situation where old posts(some more than a year old) have appeared mixed in with current ones. Some have dates close to the present and it is confusing. Is this intentional or and error?

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It's a glitch.

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The same thing happens to me. You have to go to the bottom of the page you're on and click 1 to get to the most current page.

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