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conversation with pod school Dr.

by Anonymous (no login)

Speaking will Dr. R at a pod school, I was sold (so-to-speak) "Podiatry is the 4th highest paid main medical speciality" - "Podiatrist treat 60% of all foot and ankle problems" - "Podiatrists are higher trained today with a larger scope of practice than ever before" - "Podiatrists treat nearly 70% of orthopedic foot and ankle problems" - "Podiatry is one of the fastest growing specialities in medicine"

Any thoughts?



    
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Posted on Dec 2, 2002, 12:20 AM
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Thought on Dr. R

by Anomalous (no login)

Did he really say "4th highest paid main medical specialty"?? That's pretty funny. There ARE only 4! (MD, DO, DDS, DPM).

Pods treat 60% of all foot and ankle problems? I really doubt it when you consider all of the minor stuff that's treated by FP's, etc. Even if that stat were true, what does it mean??

"Podiatrists are higher trained today with a larger scope of practice than ever before" Yes.

"Podiatrists treat nearly 70% of orthopedic foot and ankle problems". Probably.

"Podiatry is one of the fastest growing specialities in medicine". HAH! Is this based on the dwindling numbers of matriculating students? On the insurance panels strictly limiting pods?

Posted on Dec 3, 2002, 2:02 PM
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More thoughts on Dr. R

by Anonymous (no login)

PODIATRISTS TREAT 70% OF ORTHOPEDIC FOOT AND ANKLE PROBLEMS. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.
IS TRIMMING TOENAILS AN ORTHOPEDIC PROBLEM??????
MOST OF ALL PODIATRY IS TRIMMING NAILS AND CALLUSES. YOU WILL ALSO TREAT HEEL PAIN AND ON RARE OCCASIONS DO SURGERY. BUT NOT ENOUGH SURGERY TO SURVIVE ON. TOO MANY PODS COMPETEING FOR THE SAME BUNIONS AND HAMMERTOES.
OH YAH, DID I FORGET TO MENTION ALL OF THE NEWLY TRAINED FOOT AND ANKLE ORTHOPODS DOING FOOT SURGERY. THE POT JUST GOT SMALLER.
BEST ADVICE IF YOU WANT TO DO FOOT AND ANKLE SURGERY, BECOME AN ORTHOPOD. THE SEE REAL FOOT AND ANKLE DISORDERS. IE. TRAUMA ,CLUBFOOT ETC. EVERY DAY. NOT ONCE OR TWICE IN A FIVE YEAR PERIOD.
PODIATRIST, ARE TOENAIL CLIPPERS, GLORIFIED NURSES.

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DPMs earning $$

by anon4-a-reason (no login)

What about the DPM coming out of p.med school / 36 mo. res. that has a rich family. No student loans, practice assistance, ect? I have a old high school friend who makes a killing as a podiatrist! He makes in the high 200K range. Dad established him a foot/ankle institute and paid for his school.

Survival of the fittest. This is why pods are poor. People see docs like this one and then the one that practices out of his house and there isnt a question who they will see. Professionalism and marketing is the key to podiarty. Its how you sell yourself to the MDs, Hospitals, patients.

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scope

by Anonymous (no login)

Which states allow the DPM the largest / most comfortable scope of practice? In my state they wont let the DPM do 'certain' ankle procedures but they are allowed to do others

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podiatry fellowships

by (no login)

1- I was cruising the net looking at foot and ankle docs and found several MDs which in their bio said they did a prestigos fellowship with Dr. so and so. Is there any prestigous fellowships in podiatry?

2- In ranking pod schools, which school is the best? (Residency placement, pts. seen, clinics, ect.)

Thanks

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RN or DPM

by Anonymous (no login)

I am considering a career in either advanced nursing or podiatry with an emph. on surgery. What would be your opinions? I need financial stability (maybe not right off) and autonomy. I love medicine and I have always been discouraged from podiatry from the people who post here. What would be your thoughts and/or suggestions.
Thanks

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rn or dpm reply

by (no login)

I left podiatry and got a BSN. I'm working on my NP now. Don't waste your time or money on podiatry. It's difficult change careers once you discover what a mistake podiatry is.

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Re: rn or dpm reply

by Anonymous (no login)

I must agree with the previous post. I left DPM school after a year, entered an accelerated BSN program and utilized nearly all my 1st med school knowlege towards my nursing clinicals. I was without a doubt ahead of my class because of my 1st year classes. I am now a cardiovascular nurse with a very commanding salary nearly 100K/yr (with lots of OT of course!). I plan to pursue a CRNA within the next year.

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medical problems

by (no login)

With so many ailments of the foot and ankle, why are pods in such low demand - or are they in demand and that is the idea just on this forum.

ACS

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future of pod

by (no login)

Hi, I was hoping I could get a few honest answers from some current podiatry professionals....I graduated from the University of New Hampshire in May 2002 with a 3.62 GPA in honors Psychology and Pre-med. Thinking I may want to go into neuropsychology I conducted an honors thesis studying the effect of the NMDA antagonist Ketamine on sensory attention and motor intention in the rat, and compared my results to prefrontal cortical lesions as a possible model for schizophrenia. I was published, blah blah blah, but have since decided that neuropsych is not for me. Anyway, I am certified in personal fitness training and am also an avid runner so I know how important lower extremity mechanics can be. Podiatry has always interested me and so has medicine. Anyway, I applied to one of the more esteemed of the seven schools, and was very disappointed with my interview. I was accepted immediately and offered a half-tuition scholarship...without any questions or interest from the school about my undergrad research,or any other accomplishments! They just didn't seem to care. I would really like to go into Podiatry, own my own practice and teach some grad classes once I am done with school. To me, the field looks very promising. HOWEVER, I seem to be reading a lot of negative things on this forum. Is Podiatry really just a waste? Is the field going down the tubes? Are MDs really taking over? Should I just go into allopathic medicine instead? Please respond.

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Speak to Many, Believe in Yourself Alone.

by M. Boyer (no login)

Podiatry schools did the same for me "interview" wise and I graduated from a top tier undergrad with excellent grades, MCATs, peer-reviewed prospective research etc... Podiatry was my FIRST/ONLY choice b/c of a family member afflicted with diabetes.
I was accepted the very next day with 4 scholarships (tuition discounts). The interview was not an interview, after eating greasy pizza, the 22yo gum smacking ( I will take a polyograph test to back this statement) assistant brought us into a room with two pods that couldn't care less their eyes were drifting/shifting (lying) and one even shut his eyes as he spoke as if he was incredibly tired.
The schools are very desparate and accept practically anyone to feed the anemic schools with govt. tuition monies that must be paid back (no loan repayments in podiatry) MCATs not accepted anyone. Speak to MD/DO/DDS students about podiatry students/etc..
One CA pod school linked up with an allied health professions school because of finances. The vet schools, and others with fewer schools are not ANYWHERE near the desparate measures and miniscule numbers of "applicants" as podiatry schools. WHY?? Read and research.

For over 140K you would think the interviewing "faculty" could stay awake for 10min. No qsns. re: medicine, research, undergrad, it was a joke compared to my MD/DO colleagues real interviews. Podiatry students were accepteed from schools no ever heard of with GPAs of 2.1, 2.3, 3.0, 2.34, 2.8, etc... and MCATs of a total COMBINED of 15,20,16,19,14!! No research, no real journal publications,. ANd the pods call themselves equals??! I know because I sat on the "admissions" committee.


With your grades, undergrad rigor,accomplishments in/outside classroom definitely go for MD/DO you can do absolutely everything a DPM can and much more such as secure NIH funding, publish in real journals and have universal respect and loan repayment plans plus no embarrassing low ball, no benies job "offers" that permeate podiatry. Have confidence in yourself and og for it, don't sell yourself short in this cumbersome profession with low ball salary offers, poor education, non-constistent residencies and dwindling reimbursements specifically for podiatry.

FYI:

I completed a 3 year surg residency and have left the profession because of the numerous professional embarrassments and other unprofessional conduct that has plagued this "profession since its inception."
THe profession is one of inaction, politics, and creonism. Speak to everyone, DPMs, MDs, DO, DDS, PhD about podiatry, young/old, READ THIS forum, read the older messages in the archives on the very bottom re: podiatry. Call a hospital/major academic teaching centers such as UPENN, JohnsHopkins, Emory, UMIchigan, Stanford, Dartmouth, UMass ask them about foot and ankle surgery, or DPMs on staff performing full scope, (or performing pedicures) call insurance panels about pods, www.briangale.com speak with the ACFAS, AOFAS etc..

Posted on Dec 2, 2002, 1:39 PM
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The TORTURE of Brian Gale, DPM

by Anonymous (no login)

Funny that I just finished "The Torture of Brian Gale, DPM". See www.BRIANgale.com .

Dr Brian Gale, Podiatric Surgeon with a 4 year Residency tortured by his State License Board over a 10 year period. They destroyed his life.

WWW.BRIANgale.com is one heck of a story. Looks like podiatry is a full body contact sport.
Professional football is for whimps.

Posted on Dec 3, 2002, 11:16 PM
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Which Pod School?

by Pod Student (no login)

I would imagine that the better of the seven schools would either be Scholl or Temple. These are the best from what I've heard of and seen.

As for your interview, I have done research for 3 years and with one publication dealing with psychiatric genetics on schizophrenia and was never asked about that. However, I did research in pediatrics and was asked all about it. Sometimes the interviewers see how much you've accomplished and that they think you can handle things so they don't feel the need to ask. Could it be that you just had a social interview? I would be grateful that your interview was not one of those nit-picky ones where they asked you why got this and that and all those ethics questions and such. Also, be thankful that you were offered that scholarship too. They didn't have to give it to you either! They could have just asked for the full tuition amount.

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thanks

by abbie (no login)

Thanks for your imput. The school is Scholl. It was the only school I ended up applying too because they are now affiliated with The Chicago Medical School/ Finch University and I was told I would be able to do research with the med school. I figure if by some chance I find out that Podiatry is not for me then I will have the connections to reapply to the MD program. My undergrad credentials could have gotten me into med school, but right now I am pretty optimistic about Podiatry. All the DPMs I have worked with are very happy with their careers. Sure, they have warned me about managed care (one DPM I know makes half of what he made five years ago and is working even harder) But it isn't about the money. I love the people. I think, like anything in life, it's what you make of it!

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reply

by Stu Pod (no login)

Don't believe everything you hear, good or bad, about podiatry. And certainly don't think that this forum truly reflects the current state of podiatric medicine. Just read the disclaimer that this forum posts to prospective students. PMNews and Podiatry Online offers free daily e-mail subscriptions, and you can read a much larger sample of comments, positive and negative, to come to a conclusion. Talk to as many podiatrists as you can, keeping in mind that, in general, all physician groups are less satisfied than they were before managed care and its headaches. I think it will be a great career choice for me, based on my experiences and observations thus far, but it's a personal decision. As for the schools, I was very happy with my education at Des Moines University, but I have met very capable individuals from the other schools during my 4th yr. rotations.

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advice

by cma (no login)

Go to medschool.
Consider Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation, or perhaps orthopedics.
With your accomplishments you should do very well in medicine.
PMR is a relatively new specialty and would give you a wonderful background to practice lower extremity sports medicine.
The Podiatry degree doesn't have legs. And Podiatric education won't be nearly as stimulating as medical education.

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dont listen to cma

by Anonymous (no login)

Whatever you do abbie, do not listen to cma. This is the most negative person in the world of medicine and will obstruct any views of anyone considering a career other than one with a MD behind your name.

cma, The PA degree is inferior to the APRN degree. The one and only reason your are a PA advocate is due to PAs HAVE to work under a physician and APRNs do not. Worried an APRN will come up from behind huh?

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the only reason

by Anonymous (no login)

the only reason cma votes in physical and rehab medicine is because his mommy or daddy is in it. do your own research to learn of your passion in medicin. dont go off errogant professionals such as cma, MD

Posted on Dec 12, 2002, 11:49 AM
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Do Not Be Misled

by (no login)

Sadly, Podiatry is not what the schools tell you it is. I Graduated from the Iowa College in the mid 80's and did a residency at the University of Southern California LA County Medical Center and practiced for 14 years before leaving podiatry for a career in aviation.

I was told that I was going to be a "surgeon" and would make a six-figure income. In fact I was a "surgeon" and did make a six-figure income, but that is only half of the story. The fact is that if you are a podiatrist you are always suspect by the medical community. If there is ever a problem, the medical profession (MD and DO types) and especially other podiatrists are always willing to crucify you with allegations, testimony, complaints, etc. (See Brian Gale.com) And, because of the lack of podiatric uniformity of training you are at best an unknown quantity and worse a "doctor" with defective and unstandardized education. All surgeons have cases they would like to forget. But, real physicians have a measure of credibility that podiatrists in general do not have. I have seen orthopedic foot surgery disasters. I know some orthopedists that I wouldn't have work on my cat. Yet, they are the ones who hold the high ground. The MD is the standard degree for physicians, and don't think for one minute that you will ever be in that club. I have many physician friends who individually are great people. But, the biggest problem is not with the physicians but with podiatry. Most podiatrists won't tell you this but in general they are an angry bunch, and rightly so. Naive students with stars in their eyes are led to slaughter by the podiatry school admissions committees. They tell you all sorts of things and get you to sign on the dotted line. But intuitively, as time passes students become disillusioned as they see the training they are getting in the schools is substandard, taught by podiatrists who in general were poorly trained themselves. This intuition lead to anger and resentment of the process and of podiatry and podiatrists and ultimately of yourself! It is impossible to feel good about yourself when you have been duped into believing a lie and made a HUGE commitment in terms of time and money. Only to become disillusioned by the realities of being a podiatrist.

Then, the residency fiasco begins. The "good residencies" are few and far between and the residency chase is difficult at best and humiliating. Once that is over with the realities of making a living come into play.

Managed care has created a lot of resentment in medicine generally. Many docs feel trapped in a system that erodes their autonomy and denies them the freedom to choose. In this regard podiatry is at best hypoxic as the poor podiatrist already limited in scope of practice and in credibility is literally left with the crumbs. The insurance companies and the government have taken control of the money stream in medicine and doctors, who in general are quite by nature autonomous and individualistic, become constrained by the system and are told what they are worth. Docs are being forced into contracts and fee schedules that they do not really want to accept: they have no choice if they are to survive.

The constant threat of litigation, the high cost of practicing doesn't get cheaper, it gets more expensive. The medical supplier wants his money for the stuff you buy, and the landlord wants his rent.
Think of going to the grocery store checkout with your buggy full, and tell the checker that the charges are "above the ALLOWED amount." As absurd as this sounds this is what is happening every day in medicine as doctors are told what they are worth by third party insurance companies and the government. Another source of anger? Yes. But all doctors are struggling with these issues; constrained by time and energy they fight to be paid for what they do. Healthcare in general is in a crisis and only the most agile and creative groups will survive. Podiatrists are handicapped from the beginning with their low standing and lack of credibility as well as infighting amongst their peers.

But, medicine is not about making money, or at least it shouldn’t be. It is about helping people. But let's be realistic. The vast majority of that six figure income is in cutting toenails and doing mainly minor types of treatment of warts, heel pain, fungal nail debridements, trimming corns and callouses, obscure foot pains and orthotic dispensation with some minor types of surgery thrown in. There are the occasional stress fractures, and even an occasional foreign body or neoplasm. However, these "interesting" cases are few and far between. The VAST majority of your income will be from cutting toenails, and reducing corns and callouses. Perception is everything. The fact is the public as well as the medical establishment does not perceive podiatrists in general as the premier foot surgeon does. But how many podiatrists are out here doing foot surgery that they really weren’t adequately trained to do? Even hammertoes and simple bunions are in short supply in most of the training programs, and then, the ones that do come along are mostly treated by the "teacher." Ask any podiatrist to be truthful about his clinical training. Sadly, this is the worse travesty of all. The rape kit awaits!

Podiatry is a profession at war with itself and with the medical establishment generally. Podiatrists are the "red headed stepchild" of medicine. Our forefathers have fought tooth and nail to get where they are, yet the profession as a whole struggles to gain credibility and that is where the whole thing falls apart. The political climate in medicine is dog eat dog and most physicians fight amongst themselves over all kinds of issues and many big ego's are involved. But, the playing field is not a level one for podiatrists because of the lack of credibility and politically, podiatrists are left to accept many injustices that other docs don't have to accept. Where will all of this lead in the competitive managed care arena.

Podiatry is an acrimonious profession with more dissatisfied "doctors" than any other medical field. I tell you from my heart I wish it were different, but podiatry represents mainly a pool of want-to-be doctors that for whatever reason did not get into medical school. The few students who have somehow gone into podiatry with their eyes wide open; either their dad or granddad was a podiatrist. These that "know" what they are getting into, Godspeed to them, there are a lot of toenails to cut.

Podiatry Schools are starving for tuition dollars and will tell you anything to get you to enroll and pay tuition. My feeling is that a person can be admitted to Podiatry School if they have a heartbeat and checkbook, with enough blood pressure to help them sign over the loan checks. There are worse predators than lions, please DO NOT BE MISLED.

Posted on Dec 9, 2002, 8:46 AM
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Admissions question

by podschoolpossible? (no login)

I have a 2.79 GPA and got a 17 on the MCAT. Could I get in to pod school? I am worried that I will not get accepted if I apply. Any advice would help.

Thanks

Posted on Nov 28, 2002, 11:01 PM
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You are overqualified.

by Admissions (no login)

Dear Student,

If you had a 1.79 GPA and a 7 on the MCAT, then you would have a good question. But, even with those numbers, we will accept you.

In fact, we would accept your dog or cat if they can sign their name to the Federally Guaranteed Student Loans.

Posted on Nov 29, 2002, 12:41 PM
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Go for it

by PMS4 (no login)

I am a 4th year student at the new york school, and
i would bet a HUGE wad of money that you would get it.
the sad fact is that the schools are in desperate need
of students (=tuition dollars). I had very good
undergraduate credentials and was shocked at the poor
caliber of (some) students. So if you really know what you're getting into, apply, and you will get a
call the next week saying you are accepted.
Good luck

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one answer

by Stu Pod-MS4 (no login)

With the decreased number of applicants, you WILL get accepted, the question is do you want to? Your undergraduate GPA and MCAT hint that you may have to work much harder than some of the other students if you want to be in the top half of your class either GPA or knowledge-wise. If you are willing to work that hard, chances are that you'll get a good residency and be very happy with your decision. Not so long ago, good residencies were hard to come by (hence the negative posters), but now the numbers are in your favor if you are willing to work hard.

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probably

by Anonymous (no login)

The problem, however, may be staying and completing the 4 years. You may want to re-consider your career based on your strengths not weaknesses. The schools will accept students who are not equiped of the rigors of 4 years of podiatry school. Which is unfortunate for those who incurr the expenses. I know of 2 students in my class who were expelled in the 3rd year.(Never should have been accepted in the 1st place but the school was willing to take there money as long as they barely got by, than when they couoldn't hack it anymore they were expelled.)

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Need professional advice

by (no login)

I have a friend who has always loved podiatry. I told him I would find information out for him because I knew of this forum.

He doesnt have to pay or ANY school including grad (possibly pod school). He has wealthy parents who would definately help (if not just buy) him a practice (and equiptment). No student loans, no practice loans. What is the potential for this person considering he was granted a 2-3 year surgical res.? (Financially, ect.) I told him that he should enter podiatry with caution due to the possible downfalls I have read about on this forum. I need to get some real advice, the pods in our area are useless.

What should he look for, what should be not look for, a ton of adivce would be greatly appreciated. Thanks to all for responding.

ACS

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no pressure

by matt (no login)

Your friend is the type of individual who is envied yet despised by his classmates
What does it matter if he succeeds or not
there is no pressure
if he fails he merely goes home to mom and dad and tries another hobby
if he is a true humanitarian then podiatry is a good profession if he willing to sacrifice the time and accept the responsibility
Ihave incurred many debts through education but in private practice have been more than able to cover expenses and live well
it does depend greatly on location of practice
admittedly i would not recommend this profession to a friend
there are too many horror stories even from close friends
I believe I am fortunate
Your friend would be better off doing something he enjoys
Also we suffer malpractice suits as well
is he willing to accept that responsibility

Posted on Dec 2, 2002, 11:11 PM
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do we call ourselves, "professionals"?

by Anonymous (no login)

Take a look at this forum, folks. Do you see it full of doctors and those of a higher intellectural plane?
Or a bunch of whiners, losers and babies?

Is there any doubt that this podiatry profession has gone into the crapper?

But, remember, each podiatrist to recuit two new students and convince them that podiatry is great and they will make much money so that we can have plenty of suckers to buy our practices when we retire.

We will keep them out of our hospitals and our states by gaming the State Exams. And, we will destroy any competitors. That is the "podiatry way".



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re: do we call ourselves, "professionals"

by Lewis (no login)

For a very high intellectual plane, we can find that on a geophysics/physical chem/mathematics, etc message board

Posted on Nov 29, 2002, 8:39 PM
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Professional, indeed

by Anonymous (no login)

I consider myself a professional just as I have over 25 years ago when I proudly receieved my Doctorate of Podiatric Medicine. Although I fully realize, that I certainly do not have all the answers concerning the various pathologies presented by the human foot, I have no hesitation seeking the opinions of my peers and other medical specialists and have always been responded to in a similar fashion.

Perhaps I may be somewhat unusual in that I always try to conduct and act like an educated health care professional. I would like to think such is not the case and that I am not a podiatric aberration.

As a potential career, podiatry still has a lot to offer if a prospective student does diligent research.

The current mess that we find ourselves in today is the direct result of those greedy self-proclaimed "academics" (several of whom can still be found listed on continuing eduction brochures,etc) who decided to turn a respectable profession into some sort of elititst clique which would shut out the majority of practitioners. Once again, for those who imbibed too freely of alcohol or THC during the 60s-80s, the average foot problem does not require surgery, so why the continual effort to exclude practitoners from hospital privileges, insurance contracts, etc. Ah, yes. Forty talents or so?

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I want to be a Podiatrist

by student (no login)

I am a 3rd year student who wantes to be a Podiatrist.
I understand that the salary is at the $200,000 range and the work is a 9-5 job unless there is surgery or Emergency room work. I understand that all podiatrists are very busy doing ER work and do surgery every morning.

I wonder if my grades are not good enough. I have a 2.2 / 4.0 average from a Junior College-Southern State School.

What do you think?

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GOOD LUCK!

by Dr. W. (no login)

A 2.2?? You can't even get into nursing school with a 2.2 Plus, you need to get good scores on the MCAT...or at least 18 for Podiatry.

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nice try

by Anonymous (no login)

this is one of the 7 disgruntled pods posting as a student-no doubt about it

Posted on Nov 30, 2002, 9:35 AM
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to make 200k

by Anonymous (no login)

Most pods here claim 200K is impossible. Its not. With the right surgical training, financial resources, and geographics making 200K is real. ER work is not very likely unless you are hospital staff but surgery is a must to make it.

Debatable?

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Income and the first few years out!!!

by 3rd Year Pod Student (no login)

Greetings! Hi, I intend to practice in the South and wanted to know if anyone has an opinion about the region as far as if its profitable. Also, do you recommend networking early...such as externships? residency? otherwise? Any comments welcome. How is everyone actually doing? Good and bad...your thoughts...negative people need not respond...honesty is key.

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the south

by Stu Pod-MS4 (no login)

From what I've seen, the south is a great choice. I know of PPMR-PSR-12's that have gotten 6 figure deals in rural areas. That may not be the norm, but it does happen. As for networking, I'd just visit as many of the southern residency programs as you can during your 4th year.

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The South is FULL.

by Anonymous (no login)

If students are thinking about the RURAL SOUTH for their careers, that is another indication that podiatry sucks as a career.

Remember "Talus" who used to post here? He was a young guy, very well trained and opened up in the South to make his fortune. Bottom line is that he closed his office as he could not make enough over time to meet expenses.

Wake up and smell the Moca. Podiatry an elite profession that serves to keep the older well connected pod in his Lexis and the young pod supported by his wife.

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question

by NEW (no login)

Are US licensed DPM allowed to practice abroad and vice-versa? eg europe, australia etc..

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Re: question

by Anonymous (no login)

Depends on where you go, and what you want to do.

I have heard of a DPM who is in India and working a full scope medical practice. They have a severe shortage of medically trained people. Places like that it really doesn't matter what your degree says.

Not for me, but it may work out for you. Look into it carefully before making any decisions. Talk to some of the people that are doing it.

Best of luck.

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Wow!

by Stu Pod-MS4 (no login)

Having finished 6 months worth of 4th yr. externship travels in the midwest, south, and east, I can assure you that podiatric medicine is alive and well in those areas. Foot docs old and young are doing very well, and it looks like it is only going to get better. Still very happy with my career choice. Stu

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Keep it up, Stu

by Anomalous (no login)

Your positive attitude is crucial after you finish your "residency". I sincerely hope that you'll fall in the 10% or so of new grads who make a decent living.

By the way, you are not an MS IV. You are a PS IV. The sooner you realize this, the more likely that you won't be seriously dissilusioned down the line.

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no problem

by Stu Pod-MS4 (no login)

Granted most of the new grads I've met are PSR-24's or better, but 90 % of them are making a very decent living. I'd be interested to hear what other 4th year students have observed.

As for the MS-4, I proudly write that on the board every time I scrub in on a surgery as do most other students, and I've never had an anaesthesiologist, orthopod, or nurse gripe about it. Sure, there are always going to be a few idiots out there that say that D.P.M. means "Doesn't Practice Medicine", but I really don't care what they think. From what I've seen, well trained D.P.M.s are respected by the medical community and are most definitely respected by their patients.

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Wait until you see the world outside of school

by Anonymous (no login)

Ahhhhh. I love to hear the opinions of the little ones.

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actually

by Anonymous (no login)

He said POD-MS4 and that is correct-podiatric medical student. Most of do practice podiatric medicine and surgery. A few of us that have failed and only scrape dead tissue and consider themselves podiatry/chiropody students-That may be your reality but it is not this students reality or 99% of podiatrists reality and the sooner you realize that the better off you will be.

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My reality

by Anomalous (no login)

Sadly, your interpretations of reality are way off the mark. As a former podiatry student and a current Doctor of Podiatric Medicine, allow me to enlighten you.

There are only two types of medical students in the United States - DO students and MD students. A podiatry student is, by any measure, not a medical student. You can play around with words as much as you like, but in the end, a podiatrist is still just a podiatrist.

Are dental students also "medical students"? Are chiropractic students "medical students"? How about P.A.'s?? The only types of doctors in our country who have full practice rights and are COMPLETELY educated in the art and practice of human medicine are Doctors of Osteopathic Medicine and Medical Doctors.

How do you know that "most of us do practice podiatric medicine and surgery"?? I guess that's true if you're considering a nail avulsion surgery. It's always best to back up your assertions with some verifiable proof. Further, your derrogatory comments about students who (by no fault of their own) failed to secure any sort of surgical training and are, thus, relegated to scraping "dead tissue" only serves to demonstrate your pompous attitude and total lack of understanding about what makes podiatrists different.

There is no category for podiatrists. They are not "physicians" nor are they "health care practitioners". They occupy a category unto themselves and are an asset to the health care system. But until the training and education reflects the intensity and all-encompassing curriculum that DO and MD students share, they will never be considered medical students or medical doctors.

This, my friend, is the reality of the world and I suggest that you focus on what makes a podiatrist unique and necessary rather than running around telling everyone that you're a "medical student" or a "foot and ankle surgeon".

Happy Holidays!

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My reality

by Lewis (no login)

Podiatrists must be physicians. After all, they interpret tests, exam patients, render a diagnosis, and treat. All of this is done with full autonomy. They haven a dea license to prescribe and must know drug interactions like any other physician. Also, their first two years of school is just about the same as any MD/DO program. I don't think the first two years of optometry school (no offense to anyone) is the same as an MD/DO program.

We can't compare dentistry to these programs. It is healthcare, but different.

Not all pods are foot and ankle surgeons. But, many are.

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Re: actually

by Anonymous (no login)

Actually he said MS IV, and I would agree with him on this. Check your abbreviation books. there is no PMS, or POD-MS. It is MS-4.

I have also been using MS4 and have not had anyone disagree with this yet. Seems only to be on this forum that someone might have a problem with that.

My experiences so far fall right in line with Stu-Pods.

Podiatrists out there in "the real world" are doing quite well and are well respected.

???Might be that some people posting to this forum have low self-esteem???

I'm sure that will draw some fire.

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Podiatric Word Games

by M. Boyer (no login)

Podiatric medical student
Podiatric physician
Podiatric Medicine
Podiatric foot "surgeon"
Podiatric medical school
medical graduate school
whatever, a pod is a pod. Smells like feces it is feces.

Does anyone know of a general surgeon who can't perform hernias in NH but can perform them in IL?
Enjoy, no universal scope of practice is it practically 2003, and still no constistent brutally rigorous residencies/schooling. No loan repayment plans, enjoy,

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anesthesia asst.

by newhere (no login)

I figured out by asking a friend's wife (who is a physician's asst. in dermatology) that they are physician's asst. with anesthesia training. She said that there were only two programs in the country that provide such training.

Sound good?

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$$$$

by anonymous (no login)

Bottomline, it is an attempt to weaken the CRNAs. They(MDs) were threatened a few years ago when they were being replaced by the CRNAs and there was a surplus of anesthesiologists.They closed some CRNA schools and there was a push to have only MDs provide anestehsia. Then when the CRNAs (like the NPs)sought independent billing the result was to bring in AAs. It is all about turf. If you do not believe it then ask 2 questions 1. If there is a surplus of physician and nurse anesthesia personnel why do we need a new group of people providing this care? 2. Are the AAs paid less than CRNAs? A PA will always require MD oversight hence there name see where this is going.
Pro AA MDs typically are against any advanced nursing field, ODs, DPMs etc.

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MDs

by Anonymous (no login)

I couldnt agree more.I believe that MDs ruin mainstream medicine. They are so errogant in every way. They have had plots to totally ruin professions such as chiropractic. MDs hate advanced nurses because they have always been the minority but now with better education and higher levels of skill and advancement oppurtunities, MDs are scared and upset.

Typically, this is what you here, "MDs are trained in the sciences, attend schoold for ____ long, attned residency, BLAH! BLAH! BLAH!"

They hate it that there are infact practitioners (DPMs, ODs, DDS, NP, CRNA, DC, ECT) that can provide just as efficient healthcare and they are all going to get red in the face when they read this but its absolutely true and none of them can come to realize that. I have seen examples on this forum of MDs tearing apart allied health professions and other non-physician healthcare providers. Whoever posts under the alias 'cma' is the worst of them all.

This anesthesiologist is so scared and hot-headed it makes me despise MDs more and more just because of his/her attitude.

MDs have always had the last word and even the most say in healthcare but since there have been studies (many studies!) on the equal care of other practitioners they are peeing in their pants the same time they are flipping you off.

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what?

by cma (no login)

I don't think I'm hotheaded and I'm unsure which of my posts you would consider so repugnant. Can you tell me which ones are despicable.
Incidentally, cma is not an alias. they are my initials and serve to distinguish me from all the anonymous posters. I have used the moniker disgruntled pod once, evreemanpod twice, and I think I used another alias at one time.
But I disagree that I am anti allied health provider.
I attended pod school in the mid 80's and developed a great practice in a southern state. In 93 I realized that changes in healthcare would soon impact my practice so I sold it and went to med school. Therefore I have attended both podschool and medschool and I have practiced both medicine and podiatry.
My response to the CRNA question "are crnas the same as anesthesiologists" is a rebuttal of CRNA propaganda that their training is equivalent (they probably think better because they are nurses and therefore more compassionate). I'm not anti CRNA.
I've been to a chiropractor for low back pain caused by a softball injury. And while she was a COMPLETE idiot, I don't have the feeling that they should not practice.
I don't hate it that any of these other degrees exist. Why should I?
I think you misinterpret what I have written.

To address the idea that Anesthesiologists are scared of losing their jobs to CRNAs. What a load of BS.
CRNAs are afraid of losing their jobs to MDAs. It happens all the time. Hospitals and Surgeons prefer to work with MDAs. And there is good reason .

Podiatrists are nowhere near as well trained as MDs.
That is in overall medical training. It sounds from the posts on this foirum that their education in podiatry is at best spotty and at worst completely worthless. Your school teaches you to trim nails and corns.

It's not my fault that podiatry is losing out in health care. It's also not the fault of the AMA, there is not an MD conspiracy to destoy Chiropractors.
We as a group really don't gice a **** about whether you are successful or not.

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Re: what?

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where in the heck did you go to podiatry school and do your residency to think that our education is worthless? Did you do a surgical residency?

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Re: what?

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where in the heck did you go to podiatry school and do your residency to think that our education is worthless? Did you do a surgical residency? Do you practice currently in Missisippi? Anyone who thinks that this forum represents the current state of podiatry has no clue or practices in missisippi where there are very few well trained DPM's.

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re: what

by Anonymous (no login)

Whether it be a CRNA v. Anesthesiologist, DPM v. Ortho, DDS-Oral v. MD-Plastic, OD v. OMD, or NP v. FP, the bottom line is that there are SEVERAL medical professionals, -the MD/DO, who can EFFECTIVELY treat acute, chronic and latent illness, perform surgery on the foot/ankle/facial soft tissue/facial bones, treat trauma, and/or ANESTHETIZE patients EFFECTIVELY AND SAFELY!!

MDs think that they are the BEST thing that ever happened to the health of the populations. They're not. Allied health and non-physician (or should I say non-MD/DO - optometric, chiropractic, and podiatric physicians are not MD/DO) healthcare providers are. They provide a very comprable service for a fraction of the price. Its almost as if MD/DOs have to be paid to do a good job.

I read a post of yours saying your wouldnt interview at a anes job paying 225. That is because of your oversized ego and your thought that you are the only one who will provide the anesthesia well a CRNA - maybe not as trained as you in full-body physiology and medicine - will provide the drugs EFFECTIVELY, SAFELY, AND ECONOMICALLY.

I will reiterate, MDs, like the cma person, do not enhance medicine, they complicate it and cause problems because they think they should be served with a platinum spoon and be driven around in the million dollar stretch.

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re re what

by cma (no login)

MDs don't enhance medicine?
They are medicine.
Your views are prejudicial.
Show me where I have said something anti CRNA.
To say they are not equivalent to MDAs is not slander.
There are plenty of pods on this forum who are arguing against other allied health providers. Against NPs PAs physical therapists. And against the great demons of medicine, the Real Doctors.
I realize that podiatry faces challenges from forces they cannot control. NPs for instance can get training in foot care.
Incidentally that would be cost effective healthcare.
CRNAs charge the same fees MDAs do. No difference. I couldn't care less.
I don't have an oversized ego. I would not interview for a job paying 225k, because I can interview at jobs that guarantee 300k.
This year I will make over 490k. Because I work my ass off.
I'm so glad I didn't stay in podiatry, I left the field because I realized podiatry would get shafted in any type of healthcare revolution. This forum proves that.

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cma

by Anonymous (no login)

MDs are not medicine.
MDs do not enhavce medicine, they destroy it over $$$.
You are no better than the next MD who discriminates against anyone who does not have the initials MD behind their name.

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Well Said

by (no login)

Truly, Well Said!

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just curious

by Shenyan (no login)

There are some pods that don't allow patients to use their insurance to cover orthotics. In other words, the patient is completely responsible for full payment of the orthotics. Why does this happen? I have an idea. But, I would like to see what you think. Thanks

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are you sure?

by ms3 (no login)

Are you sure that it's not because the insurance company won't cover it? ms3

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are you sure?

by shenyan (no login)

Yes, you are right. It is not a covered benefit. But, when a patient is in financial debt, some pods will say "we'll use your insurance, by stating that it is medically necessary."

I thought that they always had to go through a person's insurance.

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orthotics reimbursement

by anon (no login)

it happens because very few insurance plans cover orthotics, despite what the patient tells you, and the reimbursement probably will be less than it costs you.
Any experienced pod will tell you to collect the full amount up front and let the patient fight the insurance co for whatever they can get back. You cannot survive subsidizing pts orthotics.

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Question

by newhere (no login)

What is a anesthesiology assistant? My wife had a procedure done and the drugs were given by an anes. assistant? Just curious as to what it is? A resident doctor learning anesthesia? Any info would help.

newhere

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Not a doctor

by Anonymous (no login)

No it's an attempt by some anesthesiologists to eliminate CRNAs(nurses). They have a BS degree and then I believe 1 year. Scary huh? They are paid less than CRNAs and it's the MD/DOs attempt to counter the spots taken by the nurses and their attempts to bill independently.
At our hospital the chief of anesthesia who introduced these assistants is anti DPM, OD, NP, CRNA. He believes only MDs should treat patients and is anti DO behind closed doors. But is all for the AA. All about $$$ and turf and see it isn't just DPMs.

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Maybe

by Anomalous (no login)

Could have been a nurse anesthetist. They wouldn't normally call a resident an assistant. They're doctors.

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CRNA's

by DO MS IV (no login)

You're probably referring to nurse anesthetists or CRNA's who are RN's with advanced training in anesthesiology. They function under the supervision of anesthesiologists.

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anesthesiology assistants

by cma (no login)

they are PAs who do postgraduate training in anesthesiology.
they work under an anesthesiologist.
i believe there is a training program at emory among other places.
i'm under the impression that they train in allopathic programs at a few medical centers.
the PA degree is a more advanced degree than the RN
i imagine CRNAs will claim that aa training is inferior
CRNAs believe their training is EQUIVALENT to 4 years of allopathic residency after med school

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toenail removed

by Anonymous (no login)

I had my toenail on my great toe removed about 6 years ago. I hate the way it looks with no nail and a somewhat disfigured nail bed. Is there any cosmetic procedures or .... well anything??? How about cosmetic podiatric surgeon. I need one. Any and every idea would be a good one.

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Here's an idea

by Anomalous (no login)

I, personally, don't know of any procedure to give you a prosthetic toenail (I'm not sure if a real one would work, although it isn't living tissue and the idea isn't too crazy). If I were doing some sort of study, I would think that one could harvest a good specimen and suture it down into your matrix or phalanx where it might remain).

Other than that Frankensteinian idea, I would consider contacting a plastic surgeon or a board certified dermatologist.

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???

by Anonymous (no login)

There is nothing to do for this as it is cosmetic. If she had pain it would be a different story. She must not have had too much pain with it before the removal or she would not be complaining of the appearance. Nice jab anomolous-what in the heck is a plastic surgeon or dermatologist going to do? They would tell her to see a podiatrist. Always jabbing-jab jab jab. Have you been accepted to DO school yet-I can't wait until you are.

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Jab?

by Anomalous (no login)

Why do you think that's a jab? I'm only saying that I have never learned, witnessed or, otherwise, participated in a cosmetic toenail procedure. IF it could be done, it would likely fall into the hands of a plastic surgeon (who, obviously, has more experience in all kinds of cosmetic procedures) or a dermatologist. Clearly, you failed to notice that I never said that a DPM COULDN'T do it. I was only speaking from my perspective and my own experience.

And, yes, I did get into DO school and a great weight has been lifted off my life.

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ms3... a good mind

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I have read ms3's posts about several issues and I have read posts that bag him/her. I read ms3, a MEDICAL STUDENT, endorse nurse practitioners, PAs, DPMs, and other health care providers other than MDs. I think that is what medicine needs today. Real physicians able to respect advanced nurses that may be practicing anything from anesthesiology to OB/GYN - for their skills and qualifications. ms3 has shown support and confidence in these providers and has even said he/she would entrust his health to them.

If only more physicians would be as open minded as this person, the world of practitioners would be a great place to live and work. Look at this person as a great example of a physician - a great one - one without a serious complex.

I commend you ms3. You will make a great physician. Keep that great mind of yours open.

newhere

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Thanks newhere

by MS3 (no login)

Thanks for the kind words, newhere. I post on this forum b/c I thought it might be fun to interact with some other physicians and physicians-to-be. Maybe share some experiences, tell a few jokes, laugh about some crazy patients, talk about some clinicals, a little politics, maybe even create good repoir so that we could USE EACH OTHER'S SERVICES IN THE FUTURE. I never expected that by posting here, my opinions were so malignant to a few individuals. Either way...it has been really entertaining. One thing though...I never realized that there are so many unhappy and bitter people in podiatry. Thanks again newhere, ms3

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Re: Thanks newhere

by Anonymous (no login)

Please con't to base your opinions of podiatrists based on your interactions with us in the "real world" This board is an anomoly. There are about 5-7 who regularly post under different names/anonymous to "take revenge" on a profession they are not happy in.

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Clinical Question

by student (no login)

How low can a persons blood pressure go (and still funtion - to a normal extent) before they go into cardiac arrest? What would be theraputic measures to bring it back up?

Posted on Nov 13, 2002, 12:36 AM
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Depends

by Anonymous (no login)

It would depend upon the cause of the hypotension as to the treatment. A systolic less than 90 usually demands intervention.

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To be accepted to Podiatry School?

by Anonymous (no login)

Are your questions on how low a blood pressure can be before cardiac arrest -- is that in regards to acceptance to Podiatry School?

If so, the evidence shows that a candidate must have a blood pressure strong enought for his hand to sign over the government loan checks.

One strong therapeutic measure is to give him a surgical residency.

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Re: Clinical Question

by Anonymous (no login)

Sounds like an excellent lab experiment. Let's slice your brachial artery and time it? Are you for real?

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treat the cause

by DO MS IV (no login)

"How low can a persons blood pressure go (and still funtion - to a normal extent) before they go into cardiac arrest?"

It depends on the physical conditions of the heart prior to the event causitive of the low blood pressure. When hypotension occurs, the heart attempts to compensate with tachycardia to maintain adequate circulation. If the heart was properly conditioned, such as in athelets, blood pressure can drop quite low and the heart might be able to endure a longer episode of tachycardiam, provided coronary vasodilation mechanism is intact. Athelets, especially, normally have very good coronary circulation, slow heart rate, and low blood pressure.

"What would be theraputic measures to bring it back up?"

The therapeutic measures depend on the cause of hypotension whether it be cardiogenic, neurogenic, septic, or hypovolemic, etc. Although hypotension is a common sign for different causes, therapy for each cause is quite different. For example, it would be quite reasonable to treat massive bleeding with colloids, lactate ringer, or blood to bring up the patient's pressure. However, pushing fluids on a patient who is hypotensive secondary to congestive heart failure who might already be volume overload is a good way to put a smile on some lawyer's face. In medicine, one should always attempt to identify the cause before addressing the symptoms.

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Untitled

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Median annual earnings of salaried podiatrists were $107,560 in 2000. The middle 50 percent earned between $77,440 and $134,900 a year. According to a survey by Podiatry Management magazine, median net income of podiatrists in solo practice, including the self-employed, was $89,681 in 2000. Those in group practices or partnerships earned median net income of $96,200 in 2000. Self-employed podiatrists must provide for their own health insurance and retirement.

What the heck is this? Check it out at ampa.org

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