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I'm getting worried about my future because of the nature of this forumby worried (no login)In my world as a young podiatrist 3 years out of residency nothing could be better for me. I do surgery twice a week, i get referals from MD's on a daily basis, i have no complex about "cutting toenails" for diabetics and even people who can't reach them anymore and I'll net between 160-180,000 this year. All my colleagues I associate with are in the same boat as me. However, after reading this forum for over 2 years I have come to the conclusion that something is going on in podiatry that I don't personally experience. Why would people come on this board and post over and over abouthow they can't make it if it weren't true. And although I find it hard to believe some of the stories because I have not seen it personally does not mean it's not true and there is not a problem. Is my profession going to exist in 30 years? I'm only 32years old should I start thinking about getting my MD degree or do people think we will still exist but there will not be any new podiatrists? I've always been a worry wort sorry! from IP address 24.92.208.146 |
Worriedby Student (no login)You're worried by less than 1% of our profession who also happen to be the most negative, pessimistic, and generally miserable lot in practice. Podiatry has always had problems as do all other professions. Lighten up. Get on podiatryonline.com where when these problems are addressed, there is at least half a rational thought connected to the discussion. from IP address 12.90.43.102 |
to the confident studentby cma (no login)I graduated from Scholl about 15 years ago. I've kept in touch with people and have a good idea about the percentage of people who "make it" in podiatry. First of all, you have no basis for your assumption that less than 1% of pods succeed. Based on what I know about my classmates, I would say that fewer than 10% of them make over $100,000 net. You can do a PSR24 and be extremely talented and completely fail to achieve your goals. There is a recent post from a podiatrist who has never performed a permanent nail (11750). That is inconceivable to me. To go through 4 years of podiatry school and not be proficient (or even minimally experienced) at what should be the bread and butter of your practice reveals a huge problem in pod education. I suppose you think that good grades in podtech and a PSR24 will ensure your future. In reality, you would have been better off pursuing an education in business, accounting, engineering,law----practically anything else. Everyone I graduated with thought they would be very successful, no one expected failure. I assume everyone in your class thinks they will be successful. See how they are doing in 10 years. If they are truthful you will see that most of them regret going into podiatry and have no way of rescuing themselves. Good luck to you. from IP address 209.183.88.84 |
Answerby Anomalous (no login)Clearly, not all podiatrists are having trouble. The ones who are experiencing the greatest trauma are the relatively new practioners (1-7 years out) with only a PPMR or RPR as training. I am one of them. If you don't have at least a PSR-12 to go along with your PPMR/RPR, you might as well look for another line of work. And, if you insist on living in a highly populated part of the country, it'll make it twice as difficult. In my opinion, podiatry will probably not go away altogether. It will become less important, however, as insurers realize that there is very little that we provide that can't be done by someone else. There's a lot of medical people who can do what we do and sometimes for less cost. Insurers really don't care if we do it better or not. They're only interested in the bottom line. The other problem is that the gatekeepers are MD's and DO's and, for the most part, they are pretty ignorant as to what a podiatrist does. They're more apt to refer to another MD or DO and not a podiatrist. Another problem, I believe, is that Medicare will soon eliminate routine stuff like nail and keratoma debridement. This would be a disaster for most DPM's. It's the bread and butter for most of us and if it's cut down significantly, it'll probably bankrupt a lot of us. I think the anger and angst that you see on this forum stems from only a few aspects of podiatry. First, it's very difficult to find work, generally, when you finish your residency. I think a lot of students are not fully aware that you are pretty much 100% responsible for finding a job when you're finished training. It's not like being an MD or DO where you can find work almost anywhere. This tends to piss off a lot of fresh DPM's who end up doing very unglamorous stuff like nursing homes and shopping malls. The other thing is the general lack of respect and understanding as to what a DPM is and does. Most students who went into podiatry fully expected to be treated like a real doctor when they finished, but found that there's usually some skepticism when you're in the real world. You get kind of angry at this because you think that you worked your butt off and spent a lot of money to become a doctor, but in the eyes of many, you're not a "real" doctor. Lastly, I think that the incredibly low admission standards and lack of interested candidates puts off a lot of DPM's because they start questioning their training and overall worth. This, coupled with the erratic residency training and no guarantee of surgical training, can light a big fire under anyone's behind. from IP address 64.161.169.56 |
If you are happyby Anonymous (no login)From your post I do not know why you would consider 7 more years of education. You are successful and will probably continue to do well. Neither you and cma's percentages can not be proven. I can say without hesitation that podiatry is the best and worse it's been. How is that possible? Today acceptance of podiatry is at all time high. Just check back as little as 10 years ago and see how many DPMs have hospital access and privileges.Compare MD referrals now and 10 years ago. Yes there is extreme diversity in residency training but atleast today everyone gets one. Add to this the fact that with the decrease in students the number getting surgical positions will increase in the short term. When I graduated in the mid 80s only 50% received any residency training. Our PSR-24s(20) that graduated over the last 3 years averaged 70-130,000 dollars as a base salary with bonus systems. 2 have joined ortho groups to practice full scope and 3 were offered positions in multidisciplinary groups. 2 received recruitment packages fr0m hospitals. All of these unheard of when I graduated. What's the worse. For those without training and those who probably should have never been accepted to any professional school their futures are bleak. Add this to the high debt and well you get the joke. Applicant pool drops and the need to fill classes are another problem. As for this forum it is dominated by I have guessed 10 or less individuals that have a beef with the profession. In some cases for legitimate reasons and for others they just can't admit that their problems may be their own fault. Many posters have already left the profession but for some reason feel they must get even some way. If you are happy, paying your bills, and like what you do, please stay we need more like you!!!! from IP address 205.188.208.42 |
Oh, ignorant oneby Anomalous (no login)You know, it never fails to amuse me or amaze me when I see the depth of ignorance coupled with the misplaced egos of DPM's who somehow feel above any other DPM who didn't match with a surgical program. What kind of assinine statement is this? "...who probably should have never been accepted to any professional school..." For your information, Sparky, I graduated from UCLA while working full and part-time with a very respectable GPA, mistakenly chose podiatry school, finished podiatry school with a 3.6 (having been at or near the top of the class in several courses) and BECAUSE THE WORLD OF PODIATRY IS A COMPLETE JOKE AND IS PRIMARILY IN BUSINESS TO MAKE MONEY, I failed to match with a surgical program. And, also for your edification, there WERE NOT enough residencies for everyone when I graduated (only 4 years ago) and many crappy ones needed to be created out of sewage to, hopefully, avoid future lawsuits. At least REAL medical schools have the ethics to fully train their graduates to AT LEAST be minimally competitive when they finish their training. What other professional school fails to adequately train their students? None. For that matter, what other college or junior college fails to adequately educate their students? None. Podiatry resides in so many embarassing categories of shame that I literally get shivers when I think about it. Becoming a podiatrist is and will remain the biggest mistake I ever made. from IP address 64.161.169.56 |
are you sure about that?by worried (no login)"And because the world of podiatry is a complete joke and is primarily in the business to make money i failed to match with a surgical program" Are you positive it is all "their fault" and no fault of your own? Getting a surgical residency(I know i competed at the same time as you with a similiar GPA) was and is multifactorial. How many did you apply to? Did you extern at those programs or at least visit and show an interest? How did the interviewers perceive you as a possible "fit" with the program. One of the main questions an interviewer asks themselves is "Will I be able to stand working with this person for 2 years, will they represent our program and me well not only to my colleagues but to my patients? Will they be a baby and complain about the amount of work? Did you reapply in 1999 and 2000? I'm not tring to criticize your character I don't know you. What I am saying is that in 1994 when you started,(I started in 1992) EVERYONE knew that you needed a surgical residency to "make it" as a podiatrist that does surgery. THE SCHOOLS DO NOT MISLEAD YOU ON THIS FACT! Do you really think you should be doing surgery after your ppmr? Of course not and know one else with that type of training should. I "thought" I could do surgery after my 2 years of ppmr(I did about 200 various cases) was I surely mistaken and realized it when I did over 600 cases in my one year psr! Yes I do believe in your situation you should stick to dead tissue shaving foot strapping stuff and refer out your surgeries. OR GET MORE TRAINING! BUT STOP BLAMING PODIATRY EVERYONE KNOWS IF YOU DO A PPMR YOU DO PRIMARY CARE IN PRACTICE! THAT'S THE WAY IT IS AND SHOULD BE. The school did their job by teaching you the basics and academics, than it was your job to obtain the type of residency you wanted depending on the type of practice you want. If you want primary care you d0 primay care if you want surgery you do surgery if you want biomechanics you do por, ect... This is and was common knowledge at my school and in fact I can remember the profs discussing this sort of thing in class. I will admit however that the cost of tuition needs to be lowered and the schools need to make sure each and every student understands that just because you have a DPM degree does not necessarily mean you will be doing surgery. This is and will continue to be the reality of the profession(IF it still exists in the future!) My sister just graduated from medical school she is in her internship. She wants to be a dermatologist if she doesn't get a derm residency but instead matches with family practice residency do you think she should be able to practice dermatology anyway? Of course not! Will she blame her medical school for not preparing her to get a derm residency if she doesn't get it- I don't think so! Perfect what you know or get more training! Just my opinions from IP address 24.92.208.146 |
Let me explainby Anomalous (no login)What's funny about this post is that I've yet to read anything from someone who isn't surgically trained voicing the same opinions. It's always a case of the have's and the have not's. No matter what the explanation for me not matching with a surgical program will never negate the fact that the profession failed to AT LEAST minimally train me, and many others, to be a competent podiatrist. We paid a lot of money and worked extremely hard in school and rightfully assumed that we would at least be minimally competitive. For the record, I'm not ugly, I'm affable and even humorous. Every single MD and DO school GUARANTEES their students that they will be trained in whatever specialty they match with. Sure, they may not match with their first choice, but at least it won't become an issue later on when they try and join a health plan or make a decent living. THEY WILL BE FULLY TRAINED TO BE EITHER AN MD OR DO. My training was so sparse and superfluous, I frankly do not know what to call myself. I am not deluded. I am not a crybaby. I tolerate a lot in this world. I'm a very agreeable person. I'm smarter than the average bear. I will only take responsibility for not researching podiatry further. I was too trusting in what I read and heard. I'm not doubting what you said about everyone knowing that they needed a surgical program to make it, but I can tell you that I never ONCE heard anything like that when I was in school. I never ONCE heard that in order to be on any reasonable health plan you would need to be surgically trained. In fact, I never heard that we might not be surgically trained until well into my 1st year. I, and many others, mistakenly assumed that we would at least be comfortable with the basic podiatric procedures like bunions and hammertoes. We weren't really thinking about the nuance in differences between a PPMR, RPR, PSR-12, etc. All we knew is that a podiatrist does surgery just like the schools told us. You can't deny that the schools EVER mentioned to a prospective student that they may never be trained to do podiatric surgery. I never in my wildest dreams thought that the extent of my 170k spent on school was going to be learning, re-learning and learning again nail cutting, callus debriding and nail avulsions. I applied to several dozen programs and busted my ass going to CRIP's on two separate occasions. In a couple of my interviews I was purposely embarassed in front of everyone when I couldn't come up with the obscure answer they were looking for. Where else does this happen in a residency interview? Nowhere else. There were more than a few of my classmates who not only had a significantly lower GPA than me, but were somewhat lacking in the personality department. Of course, they matched with a PSR-24. CRIP's is not a merit based system. If your sister matches with an FP residency OF COURSE she can practice dermatology!!! What are you talking about???!! Do you think a family practice doctor automatically refers out every single case of eczema, psoriasis or tinea? She will have an unlimited license to practice medicine! If she feels uncomfortable treating a patient, THEN she'll refer out. There is an enormous difference between pod schools and med schools. No matter what you match with in a med school, you will be fully and competently trained. You will have every tool and technique to succeed in whatever your specialty is. Since podiatry IS a joke, I do not have enough skills or experience to treat patients like a foot specialist should. Not only is it embarassing, it's financially burdensome. I didn't even get enough training on the most basic aspect of podiatry, strapping and padding! We had about 3 lectures in school and very minimal exposure in my residency. Do I blame podiatry? Damn right I do! And I'm not the only one. I can't afford to go back to do a surgical residency even if there was one to be had. And I'm also not interested in taking one away from a student who, as I can testify, will need it to even have a snowball's chance in hell to make a living. The only thing that podiatry has done for me is give me some real experience that I can translate into being a real medical student. I've applied and have several interviews on the docket. Once I'm in, I can start pretending that this whole nightmarish trip was all a bad dream. from IP address 64.161.169.56 |
let's agree we disagree!by worried (no login)I understand your frustations. Your ppmr seems to have been below standards as far as the podiatry side of it. At my ppmr there were 2 residents and we each had skin to skin cases(about 100 each) Full workup and followup ect... Although like I said earlier when I did my psr I realized how inadequate the VARIETY and NUMBER of cases were. Good luck to you in your future endeavors and I hope things work out well for you. As far as my sister is concerned I agree that she can treat minor skin conditions like any other gp would, however what I meant was that there is now way she could practice full scope dermatology(skin cancer, mohs, hospital consults for internal conditions manifesting via skin conditions, and the cosmetic aspect of dermatology!) from IP address 24.92.208.146 |
OKby Anomalous (no login)I appreciate the civility of your reply. It doesn't always exist on this forum. from IP address 64.167.79.44 |
exaggeratedby John Anthony (no login)I'm very sorry, but I cannot believe you when say you net 160K-180K just a couple or so years out of residency. There is no way on God's green earth you could possibly be doing those numbers on your own. The only way would be if you have no debt and just walked into a thriving practice that a relative gave you. I'm not trying to be smart, but there are young pods out, who do not come from weathly families, that are not even in the ballpark of what you quoted you are making. What could possibly set you so far apart from your peers barring nobody giving you anything? from IP address 152.163.189.129 |
worriedby worried (no login)I started up cold with a loan of 25,000 from my parents. I choose a growing area and keep my overhead to 45%. I've paid down my student loans significantly and should have them paid off within 3-4 years(with interest rates at 4% I'm no longer in such a hurry and the DOW will rally to 9,000 over the next 2-4 months I hope) Yes I am fortunate to have 2 years of ppmr followed by a psr. My situation is that I am a needed member of the healthcare team in my community. I just find it pretty scary that people post these horror stories. I'm in this for the next 30 years and i just hope that we continue to expand our education/training as oppposed to regressing to our past as chiropodists. PS Anyone else care to share thoughts on the stock market situation? from IP address 24.92.208.146 |
Re: worriedby Anonymous (no login)As a current student I am not too well versed in what is happening with the stock market. Most of my immediate concerns (and time constriants) - lie elsewhere. My question would be, that since you recognize that you are into this for the next 30-some years, what are you thinking about? What are your plans to help further the proffession? Do you have any ties to the education/residency processes? Are you staying involved at any level? Are you working with any of the groups that are trying to make a difference? Or are you more interested in putting out negative messages? I have heard before that "you are either part of the problem or you are part of the solution". Where do you stand? from IP address 63.186.32.45 |
Re: Re: worriedby worried (no login)I belong to the APMA and pay my dues. I welcome future students to my office. Most recently I had a 2nd year student visit my office for a few days and observe. I have thought about a residency program, although in my area it may be hard to get enough cases for a surgical program unless I also encorporate podiatrists that are located in a larger city 30 miles a way. (In my area there are only about 5 of us who do surgery on a regular basis the other 4 are primary care and by the way seem to be doing very well!) I didn't think any of messages were "negative". If they were construed as such I apologize. Good luck to you. from IP address 24.92.208.146 |
Re: Re: worriedby Anonymous (no login)Students, Spend some time learing the big picture about podiatry. It is negative as it is truthful from IP address 67.25.11.81 |
You can do wellby PPMR who made it! (no login)A Lot has to do with where you go to practice! I practice in the "boonies" and easily gross over $400k each year doing only minor surgery. I had a PPMR and bought a retiring pods practice ten years ago. The first tow years were lean as I paid him back but then it was all mine! No rich relatives just hard work! Get out of the cities go where there are few or no pods and you will make it! Stop listening to the whiners here... from IP address 207.88.97.57 |
6 Figures????by M. Boyer (no login)Totally agree, unless you have the right last name or a relative (with no student debt) that can throw you into a thriving "practice" there is NO way you are staring out at 6 figures fresh out of "residency" even with the BS PSR-24. Maybe, with an MD/DO or DDS that is universally recognized and universally rigorous. ANd to sound Phil Doanghue like there are much more than a few who are fed up and justifiably bitter regarding a profession that uses mistruths to propagate itself. from IP address 134.174.110.5 |
Not Trueby Anonymous (no login)The starting base salaries for our PSR-24 last year were 70,000-120,000.00. We had a total of six graduate. With more hospitals offering recruitment packages and our grads being taken into orthopedic and multidisciplinary groups the base salaries for the "surgically trained resident" are increasing. For the PPMR I would expect this to be lower but they should be changing their paradigms as well. Why not approach an ortho practice who would not consider hiring a surgical podiatrist and see if they would be interested in adding someone to offer nonoperative care. I know of some foot orthopods who have even hired DPMs for palliation, casting, nail care, and orthoses etc. from IP address 64.12.96.200 |
Podiatrist fused my toes (actually arthroplasty). Can they be unfused?by (no login)I had two podiatrists do arthroplasties (not full fusions) on my right foot: 2nd toe is distal. 3rd toe is middle. 4th toe is distal. I limp due to these surgeries-my big toe overcompensates due to the weak 2nd toe. Could the 2nd distal be unfused and then have some cartilage grow back? Is there any hope to make 2nd toe stronger? I'm 37 years old in great shape except for these very bad surgeries and wanting to do what it takes to just walk again without limping. from IP address 207.78.98.2 |
help need to do a P&A want adviceby newbie needs advice (no login)My patient is in his 60's with good pulses and type 2 DM and has a severely incurvated lateral border of his R hallux. He presented with a paronychia. I did an aggressive slant back (as much as possible without anesthesia), and gave him keflex 500mg bid x 4 more days; he'd previously taken augmentin 875 bid for 10 days and at this point the paronychia was mild. We scheduled him back for 2 weeks for a P & A provided there is no more infection to the area. He has a long hx of paronychia to that nail border. In light of the fact that he's DM would anyone out there do something else? A temporary? A different type of permanent procedure? FYI I've never done a P&A but read it in the pocket podiatrics book a few times, I have done numerous temporary's. Any advice would be very much appreciated. Thanks folks, Newbie from IP address 205.188.208.42 |
P/A all the wayby who cares, good 4u (no login)Dear newbie: If the patient's pulses are adequate and sugar levels are in check, a P/A would be advisable. Soaking should be encouraged following the procedure, yet make sure he is not neuropathic---the patient may not need another, more severe burn. Sounds like you are on the right track. Good luck!! Sincerely, Who cares, good 4u from IP address 205.188.208.42 |
P&Aby cma (no login)You're a podiatrist? You've never done a 11750? I don't believe this post! If you're so intimidated by this patient, and the prospect of doing a P&A, then maybe you should refer the patient. Consider getting some postgraduate training. Or --- Stay up all night reading the pocket podiatric book several times. Sleep with it under your pillow. Tell the patient you've never done such an invasive and major procedure before, but with some help from above you may be able to pull him through. I can't believe this. from IP address 209.183.88.69 |
I didn't think you could practice without at least one year?by Anonymous (no login)I must have done 100 in my first year rpr. Are these people practicing without at least a rpr or ppmr? jeez do at least a preceptership to get hands on primary care-wow! At first I thought the post was a joke- in fact now that I think about it I must of done at least 25 P and A's during externships 4th year. from IP address 24.92.208.146 |
Help with ingrownby Anonymous (no login)In my opinion, just because he has DM does not automatically make him a riskier patient for a more agressive approach. I've done chemical matrixectomies on diabetics (with no neuropathy and good pulses) with no sequelae. Giving him a local injection shouldn't be a problem, either, as long as he does have good vascular flow to the digit. Giving him the antibiotics without taking out the offending foreign body is useless. You could give him Keflex after a PNA with or without a surgical or chemical matrixectomy, but even that might be overkill. Just my opinion. from IP address 63.206.140.194 |
good postby KU med ms2 (no login)That was a great post. from IP address 204.185.73.107 |
Do a P&A 1st with a mentor in your area.by AnonPod (no login)That's what I did. I approached a couple of Pods in my area and did a procedure under their supervision. They both did things slightly differently. The patients didn't mind. I explained that I learned the technique in college and hadn't done it during the past few years and wanted to make sure that I was doing it properly & the mentor was supervising me. To err on the side of caution, do not use epinepherine in your local anesthetic for a digital block. from IP address 199.212.26.244 |
50% LESS Podiatry Students?by George Johnson (no login)I am a father of a daughter who wants to become a Podiatrist. I see that the neighborhood Podiatrists do well and have respect. I also see that the Podiatry schools have no competition. In fact, they beg to even fill 1/2 of their classes. I have talked to a Podiatry College and the future could not be better. I talked to another Podiatry College and I was told that the future is even better as people are getting older, there are more injuries, and there is a 50,000 podiatrist shortage expected. I was also told that my daughter would earn $80,000 after graduation, get to become an ankle surgeon, and work a 40 hour week and have a decent life for her family. Can anybody tell me what is going on? Sincerely, George Johnson from IP address 67.24.14.125 |
What's really going on...........by Anonymous (no login)Mr. Johnson-Due to the shortages of qualified applicants, the podiatry schools have been taking on underqualified students that have no business practicing medicine in the first place. So while qualified applicants that are intelligent and hard-working, go out and make a good living for themselves, those who should never have been practicing podiatry in the first place have plenty of time to whine and join this pity party. I can tell you that there are a lot of successful podiatrists that too busy working to join this forum and instead are keeping up with the latest technology and finding ways to better their practices.
from IP address 63.209.86.252 |
Let's Deal with Realityby Mark Boyer (no login)Dear Mr. Anonymous: Kindly respond to the comments entitled "Be proud podiatry-stand-up that was written several weeks. Pity party= reality, truth. The liberals and others would like to sugar coat, let's deal with reality especially for over $145342 at 6.375% interest in podiatry loans. from IP address 134.174.110.5 |
my interest rate is just over 4%!by worried (no login)My student loan interest rates are 4.2%-why aren't yours Mark? from IP address 24.92.208.146 |
Watch out for Loan CON solidatorsby Mark Boyer (no login)I locked into a fed rate through the govt. not with Sally Mae/ or other scam place that screws you if you can't pay in 25 yrs which in my situation may be a reality. Some of these loan consolidation companies are privatized businesses that makes money off of students. Since I recently graduated that is the lowest permissble on my massive student loans. I currently make 41K and I am a 1099 with no medical benefits whatsoever. from IP address 134.174.157.70 |
I don't get it!by worried (no login)Mine aren't consolidated that is the current interest based on a formula and related to federal rates. In fact when I called Sallie Mae they advised me NOT to consolidate the lady said it would not be in my best interest at this time! They could go lower. My Heal loan is down to 3.75 and the rest range from 4.0 to 4.4% I strongly recommend you call your lender and ask why your rates are not at this level. I don't know if there is a difference based on when you graduated versus me(1996) It doesn't seem fair that your interest rate is over 6% when it should be just over 4% like everyone elses especially since you have had a rough time since graduating. from IP address 24.92.208.146 |
Loan Consolidationby Mark Boyer (no login)I don't have Heal Loans (they aren't given out to DPM students any more b/c of the large default rates in podiatry). That is why my rates are over 6%, since I am "locked in" w/ the feds, I can't go lower. Are you consolidated with Sallie Maee or through the fed. govt? There is a large diff. from IP address 134.174.110.5 |
Hmm very interestingby worried (no login)According to the US department of Health and Human Services they DISCONTINUED ALL HEAL LOANS TO NEW BOROROWERS effective September 1998! MAybe you could try to be at least a little less bias. I did not consolodate any of my stafford or Heal loans on the advise a representative for Sallie Mae(my lendor) because the rates could go lower and I have until next July if I should decide to consolodate. from IP address 24.92.208.146 |
HEAL Loan thyself.by Mark Boyer (no login)I use my name. Please call Mr. Mairano at TUSPM in 1996, HEAL loans were phased out due to staggering default rates for podiatry practitioners. Good luck, even at 4%, this profession will forever be a farce---until the right people get in the right positions. from IP address 134.174.157.124 |
Re: HEAL Loan thyself.by worried (no login)sorry don't have time to make that call , I'm to busy seeing 30 patients a day and doing my surgeries. I'll just have to take for your word for it. You use your name so it's gotta be true. In fact everything you post has to be the truth because you use your name and your a man of intergrity and honor. I personally think your opinions are very biased and you refuse to even try to look on the bright side of any topic brought to this forum. I do have a right to my opinion even though I am smart enough NOT to post my name for my current colleagues and patients to trace to this website. This profession is not a farce. You have not done well thus your opinion of podiatry being this evil entity you must try to destroy. What have you done lately to get into a better situation besides posting on this forum and calling APMA? from IP address 24.92.208.146 |
dear georgeby older footdoc (no login)It's very simple, they are lying to you. from IP address 65.238.96.39 |
Try it yourself.by AnonPod (no login)Apply and you too will get into podiatry. Then graduate and try private practice and see how unlucrative it is. Med school, dental school or optometry will not accept you! That should tell you something. But provided you have the money for tuition or have an excellent credit rating and can qualify for student loans, then the red carpet will be rolled out for you at a podiatry college. from IP address 199.212.26.244 |
not without problems but...by not without problems but... (no login)Dear Mr. Johnson: Podiatry schools have records regarding the number of students who graduate and the number of students getting residency programs. Many residency programs are now 2 years and include a surgical year. The problem has been the long time frame for many students from the time of graduation until the time of surgical training, sometimes several years. This may be changing. The other problem is that there is no real geographic location for residencies. For ex. if a person has family in Indiana, goes to school in Iowa, may end up in a residency in New Jersey. It's great if the person is free to move about the country like that, and may even be exciting but is difficult if one has a spouse of other geographic restriction. Please check with the individual schools to see how their graduates placed and if they can assure that your student will get into a program. Good Luck from IP address 205.188.208.42 |
Re: not without problems but...by Anonymous (no login)Geographical limitations are self-imposed. So are many of the other "restrictions" that people may complain about. Get over it. from IP address 63.186.0.204 |
to "not without problems but"by getting over it (no login)Apparently you are a person without any interpersonal relationships to confine you. A rolling stone, King of the road, GO Easy Rider, GO! Ahhh, such freedom... from IP address 12.149.100.21 |
Re: to "not without problems but"by Anonymous (no login)Yeah, could be something like that. . . or it could be that I spent a bit of time thinking about priorities. Not to say that you or others didn't. But if your priorities lie in staying in a specific geographical location (or whatever else) you ought to realize the consequences of that at the same time. from IP address 65.178.208.195 |
For more infor read another posting.by AnonPod (no login)Read the posting titled "I just wanted to give an addendum" by Formerly pod-girl (no login). It was posted on Aug 22, 2002. Then read the responses to it. from IP address 199.212.26.244 |
practice brokersby (Login drtim)does anyone have any feedback on using a practice broker to sell/buy a practice ? from IP address 165.247.111.233 |
Poor-die-a-tree or podiatry?by Anonymous (no login)Go ahead and buy a practice. Do you think that you are buying anything that can stay with you? Patients can move. Likewise the Panel. The rules are different now. Get to learn them. Do it or you will live in student loan hell forever. Even if you do learn them, you will live in student loan hell forever. That is the nature of podiatry. Enjoy being called, "Doctor", especially as your non podiatry buddies drive their BMWs to their large homes. "Poor-die-a-tree". It's no secret. Look at the empty seats in the lecture rooms. Other students have learned it. from IP address 67.24.15.20 |
Make less next year from toenailsby DPM (no login)Well, why would anyone become a podiatrist? When the fees from toenails takes another hit next year, or will medicare cut out nails altogether? Welcome to the world of the screwed. from IP address 63.215.172.254 |
Does anyone need a baby bottle?by Anonymous (no login)America is a capitalist society. Not everyone can have a free handout in life. This is the same for podiatrist. If you don't want to accept this reality why don't you be a bum and collect welfare checks. I got out of pod school and struggled for a while. It was hard but I networked with many sports teams and athletic associations and was able to build up a client base. No one ever says that once you get the DPM that patients will be knocking down your door to get in. The bottom line is work hard, get a good residency ad establish a client base. All you others can continue to suck on your baby bottles. PEACE from IP address 67.112.88.14 |
Get a good residency?by (no login)As you said, "The bottom line is work hard, GET A GOOD RESIDENCY ad establish a client base." I could not agree more with your statement. We all have the ability to work hard, we can all eventually establish a client base, but not everyone can get a "Good" residency. And without that good PSR, ones podiatric career has a serious chance of never getting started. Atleast not before your student loans become much more than you will ever be able to pay back and still have a family or even a middle class life. So, what is my point? It is that everyone paid the same amount of money for four years and we should all be guaranteed the same opportunities to play in the big game. If we all agree that a PSR 12 or 24 is a prerequisite to be successful in Podiatry, then for a PSR of any quality to not be offered to all graduates should be grounds for a class action law suit. Perhaps even up to the late eighties the schools could have pleaded ignorance as to the necessity of a surgical residency, but not in the nineties and certainly not today. I now look at Podiatry school like one of those trade schools that take your money, graduate you, and then tells you, "Good Luck". Those schools are a scam, and eventually get closed down by the Federal Government. So, my crystal ball is telling me that if post graduate parity is not achieved soon, the Feds are going to start shutting down the trade schools called Podiatry. from IP address 216.119.28.81 |
Agree with FTDRby Anomalous (no login)What other professional school trains their students unevenly? For that matter, what respectable undergraduate university fails to offer at least the minimum tools necessary for its students to have a fighting chance in the real world? THEY DON'T EXIST! Only in the wonderful world of podiatry can you find an organization either so inept or so greedy to shamelessly take money from doe-eyed hopefuls with the implicit promise that they will finish their education with AT LEAST the minimum of experience to make a living. And if I hear one more reply about how it's tough luck that I didn't match with a surgical program I'm going to pop a vein! That kind of response is very typical of the mentality of DPM's who are doing reasonably OK. It's these people who would never consider giving back to the schools or to help a struggling colleague. Every salary offer I've seen on this forum was nothing less than disgusting. But I digress... How long has podiatry been trying to equalize the post-graduate training process? Many years, that's how long. I'm going to be paying back my student loans until I'm dead. With every payment I make, I will move further and further away from ever forgiving podiatry for scamming me and so many others into thinking that we could make a living as "doctors" from IP address 63.206.143.27 |
Re: Agree with FTDRby Fee (no login)I agree to the fullest extent that Podiatry is not a standardized profession. I've noticed that as of this year, there are an increasing amount of PSR-24+ programs which is incouraging. I am prepared to send my residents out to different locations in the states as well as in 3rd world nation's so as to permanently P&A each and every nail encountered. GOODBYE PPMR Programs when I'm done with ya. I wish I could leave my name.... from IP address 166.90.229.137 |
A Good Question to Ask!by Oliver Stone, D.P.M. (no login)I think if students want to know the reality of the residency problem and their chances of getting a PSR-12 or PSR-24, they should ask their school's dean/or registrar to give them a list of all graduates for the last five years and where they matched and what type of programs their students match to. If they are honest, they'll have a list readily available. Most medical schools in the U.S. post their match results in the school's atrium on the day of the match for all to see. However, I've have never see a list from any podiatry school ever printed. Wonder why? Oliver Stone, D.P.M. from IP address 207.73.206.11 |
Uphill Podiatryby evreemannpod (no login)Hopefully the consolidation/merger of Scholl and ChicagoMed will herald the creation of a new breed of Podiatrists.
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RE: Uphill Podiatryby Pod student (no login)I believe that the merger will open up new opportunities as we are exposed to future allopathic physicians. Also, the classes are becoming more integrated with M1 students. from IP address 68.20.177.100 |
LOSER PODIATRISTSby anonymous (no login)New breed of podiatrist? no matter how much knowledge you expose a podiatry student to they will always be the same. The will always be money hungry , unscrupulous, con men and women who are motivated only by the almighty dollar. every podiatrists you hear will talk of how rewarding their life is by how much money they make. ever hear an ER doc say "if i do this procedure or that procedure i can really rake it in!!" I left podiatry school to become a D.O. and i hope i never look back. I will never refer a patient of mine to these crooks who pass themselves off as doctors. I hope to getr the word out that podiatrists are the bane of the medical world from IP address 152.163.189.129 |
Just Waitby 3rd year out (no login)There are whores in every and I mean every field of medicine. I know a group of cardiologists and every patient gets a cath. Another neurologist churns patients through every neurologic test in the book and hands out topamax like candy. A ortho who does every procedure arthroscopically and then opens them to get another surgical fee, and his partner who scrubs for 5 minutes to get assistance fee. How about the plastic surgeons who take turns doing blocks on each others patients so they can bill for anesthesia. You better not send them any patients either. Before you shoot your mouth off, why don't you wait until you are in the real world, then you may actually know something about the realities out here. I happen to take pride in the services I provide and treat every patient as if they were family. Most other podiatrists do too. Wow, the ignorance of students never ceases to amaze. my 2 cents from IP address 65.40.0.162 |
Podiatry Whoresby Charlie Phillips, DPM (no login)The point is, there are whores in other fields of medicine. That is true. However, podiatry is a minority and it has absolutely no support from the other medical specialties. Podiatry is all alone and is not a member of the "club". Never was. Never will be. This is a scam that will continue to go on until the medicare fees go down and we can no longer afford to practice. Charlie Phillips, DPM PS Podiatry was the biggest mistake I have ever made. from IP address 67.25.9.241 |
Loser?by Student (no login)Thanks for the waste of space and sweeping generalizations. Funny, the hospital I just rotated through had a vascular surgery team that stalked the hospital halls looking for BKA candidates when they got a little slow. At that same program I worked with 5 very respected and ethical podiatric surgeons. In fact, all three of my rotations this year so far have been with well respected and ethical pods. Funny too how I don't care how much money I'm going to make and am not a crook. Grow up. You need to get a life if the greatest thing that makes you feel good is putting down an entire profession on a lame internet forum. All I can say is good luck with your future profession and I hope you change because right now you sound miserable. Good Day from IP address 12.90.39.85 |
Yes, Podiatry IS a loser.by Anonymous (no login)Look at the empty seats in the lecture rooms. It's not in demand anymore. The secret is out. It is well known. The profession of podiatry CAN BE MADE BETTER. But, the leaders choose NOT to. The young podiatrists are not angry enough to push the leadership to act for them, not just only for themselves. from IP address 67.24.15.20 |
Good luck sudent ; )by AnonPod (no login)Your positive attitude won't help you pay your student loans when you're in private practise and barely scraping by as most of us are. I met an old friend who got a job with the telephone utility right after high school. After 24 years of steady and secure employment he makes $70K p.a. and he's planning on retiring in 16 years to a full pension that will be tied to the income that he will be making during his last 5 years of employment --in contrast, last year I made >$20,000 (after overhead) and can't afford to retire. I have a positive attitude and a very good bed side manner with my patients but this doesn't help my bottom line. After you've walked in our shoes for a decade, you'll be on this Forum expressing your bitterness -I guarantee it. from IP address 65.48.41.73 |
Re: Good luck sudent ; )by Student (no login)Thanks for telling me what my future is going to look like. You're dead wrong. A positive attitude and a good bedside manner are only two small attributes neccessary to flourish. I think good business sense, excellent clinical skills, and planning for the future well in advance are even more important. Level of training also is key. All of the above is worthless if you try to practice in an already saturated area of the country. So, 1. I have a very positive attitude 2. I have a very good bedside manner 3. I have a decent grasp of business and will work hard to become even more proficient in this area. 4. I have excellent clinical skills. 5. I will begin looking for a good job opportunity my first year in residency. I looked for a good residency starting in my 1st year of pod school. 5. I will get a PSR-24 (without connections or kissing butt). 6. I will practice in a very unsaturated area of the country. 7. I will succeed. Now two questions for you. 1. Where do you practice? 2. What is your level of training? from IP address 12.90.43.102 |
RE: Re: Good Luck student ; )by AnonPod (no login)I graduated in 1984. So you can guess how good my training was. I practise in a saturated city, and medicare has cut off c&c in my area. When I quote $300 for a pna patients ask me to refer them to a MD who will do it under medicare. So I refer the patients to one of two MDs in my area who do the procedure. Unfortunately the 2 MDs do not refer patients to me for c&c. I suspect that they do that for their patients also. So you can have excellent clinical skills but your fees better be the same as the orthopods' fees in your area. And you have to be covered by health insurance. Many companies are decreasing their group health insurance plans. They are cutting out the "frills". Back in 1984, a friend of mine was going through to become a pyschologist. When I asked about health insurance coverage for pyschology. She said that companies are increasing coverage to include psychotherapy because they are realizing its cost effectiveness (less prescription drugs, ergo mentally sharper employees & less prescription drug abuse), better employee temperment, etc. Well that was what was happening in 1984. In 1998, she got a job in a P4W. This is the last place that I would have thought that she'd be working. She obviously needs the regular pay cheque and its probably better than what she was making in private practice. from IP address 199.212.26.244 |
Whach you taking about willisby Anonymous (no login)Medicare pays for 11750 why do you refer them out? You tell medicare patients that a 11750 is non-covered? Did I misunderstand your post? Medicare pays 139 for a P and A in Florida. What state are you in? All the states cover at risk rountine foot care. In Florida the rates where raised in 2002-they pay around 55 for 11057, 43 for 11056 and around 33 for 11055. Guidelines are very specific and as long as you follow them and document it your fine. What did you mean my "medicare has cut out c & c in my area"? Did you mean that the criteria has become more rescrictive and difficult for your patients to qualify? from IP address 24.92.208.146 |
Answer to your question.by AnonPod (no login)Your question was,"What did you mean my "medicare has cut out c & c in my area"? Did you mean that the criteria has become more rescrictive and difficult for your patients to qualify?" and the answer is yes. There are clinics where they go and have no problem gettin' c&c and at my clinic I can't bill medicare for a lot of them because it's borderline cosmetic to do c&c. I also operate a house call service but only do 6 calls/week in a city of almost 3 million. from IP address 199.212.26.244 |
re: loserby cma (no login)These are not just generalizations of this pod student turned do student. When I was practisind podiatry, I advised my sister-in-law to see a pod for heel pain and her response was that a podiatrist would do unnecessary and expensive services just to make a buck. And she was my sister-in-law. I think this viewpoint is common, that an MD is Marcus Welby, and that a Pod is an opportunistic predator. right or wrong. I have to say as a practising MD that I frequently see surgeons try to get out of seeing referrals because they are already too busy and just want to go home. from IP address 209.183.88.121 |
I have to agree.by AnonPod (no login)Unfortunately, many people see us as opportunistic. I was chatting with an old classmate from high school and told him I was a podiatrist. The first thing he did was to complain about the $800 he spent to have a plantar's wart erradicated at a podiatry clinic and that his insurance didn't cover it. He said that the next time he hears of anyone complaining about a plantar's wart he would tell them to see either their MD or a dermatologist. I've had a number of patients come in for c&c and that's what I do for them because it's their CC. Sometimes the patient says at the end of the 1st treatment session, "you're the first pod that I've seen that didn't try to push orthotics on me." I say, "well if you were complaining of pain in your arch or heel, or complained that your feet were sore after a 30 min walk, that's when I'd be recommending the orthotics, but I wouldn't push them on you." from IP address 199.212.26.244 |
geezzby KU med ms2 (no login)Easy Man! I don't know what happenned to you in pod school, but with an attitude like that, you'll never be successful...in ANY field you enter! ms2 GO JAYHAWKS from IP address 204.185.73.57 |
Medicare KNOWS DPMs are Greedy.by Anonymous (no login)No secret. Medicare knows the score. Waiting til they drop Podiatry altogether. from IP address 67.24.15.20 |
PM Lexis (NBPME Part III) Study guides/tips?by Anonymous (no login)I am taking PM lexis and would like to know what others have used to study for this exam. For the podiatry part, I am using the Presby Manual. For the medical part, I don't know what guide is good and concise. All tips are welcome. Many gracious thank you's from IP address 207.166.216.224 |
part 3by KU Med ms2 (no login)I don't know if this will help you since I am not familiar with the podiatry part 3 boards, but as far as the "medicine" part, Swanson's Guide to Family Medicine-Board Study Guide is awesome. A lot of people are using it to study for the part 1,2 and 3 boards of the USMLE and COMPLEX...hope that helped! ms2 from IP address 169.147.155.174 |
Fourm Droughtby WhereIsEveryone (no login)I havent seen any comments from Dr. Wilner or Dr. Gale for some time now or other persons who bring up good topics for debate and review? Where has everyone gone? from IP address 63.226.69.107 |
Who am I??by Mark Boyer (no login)Graduated from residency (3yrs.), had numerous recruiters and real employment ops waiting during my final years at residency. Was offered 115K to start, full real benefits package (med/dental, 403b, 4 full wks. vacation), paid CMEs, malpractice, and a real office (with door). Also, loan repayment plans if I choose to practice in the hinderlands. Who am I..... A. DPM B. MD/DO/DDS C. D.Chir. E. PMD from IP address 134.174.157.124 |
pmd?by KU MED ms2 (no login)What the heck is a PMD??? Thanks from IP address 169.147.155.174 |
PMD is the proposed DPM degree back in the 90s.by M. Boyer (no login)A PMD was the degree Barry Block and other pods were thinking of to help legitmize the DPM degree. It is probably a mute point (like most of podiatry). The answer is B. from IP address 134.174.157.134 |
PMD, DPM, D.Chirop, DPodby Mark Boyer (no login)I was not discussing the DDS degree. I was discussing the PMD degree that podiatry was proposing years ago as a pitifull means to legitimize their degrees. Yes, a DDS/DMD is limited however, no else treats teeth, cavities, wisdom teeth and their degree is very well known and they don't dare touch Medicare. from IP address 134.174.110.5 |
DDS vs. DPMby Anonymous (no login)I dont get it how you put the DDS in the same category as MD/DOs. They are not even close. If anything a DDS is more closely related in a sense you both attend 4 year grad. school and focus on one area of the body. from IP address 63.226.69.107 |
DDSby KU ms2 (no login)Maybe what Dr.Boyer is referring to is business opportunities of a DDS? from IP address 169.147.155.174 |
where are theyby cma (no login)they are probably sick of what this site has become. I don't practice podiatry but stumbled upon this site and it's like looking at a car wreck or a burning house from IP address 209.183.88.115 |
Re: where are theyby Anonymous (no login)actually it's been like this for the last 2 years with or without them. In fact Dr. Wilner is one of the biggest anti-podiatry advocates here. He's probably been too busy making money to complain lately. from IP address 64.196.60.1 |
I agreeby Liz Elwood (no login)I came surfing all the way from the UK to see what exciting topics you were all discussing... Or not. The politics of Podiatry are boring - why did you choose this occupation? I myself suffered the inept gouging (of a very old doctor) of a verruca at the age of 8, and vowed to aid all those podologicaly challenged(?) when I was older... And you ? from IP address 212.35.225.152 |
Lizby Anomalous (no login)It's a very complicated question, Liz The vast majority of U.S. trained podiatrists would have excised your verruca properly (using a blunt instrument and avoiding the dermis). I've seen several patients who have suffered just as you have. There are a lot of reasons why someone would consider podiatry as a career in the States. Some did it for good reasons (they really wanted to help people), some did it to be called "doctor" (and they didn't have the grades or MCAT scores to get into traditional medical school) and some did it because they were told that the lifestyle and earning potential were both excellent. The latter two reasons are probably why you see a lot of bickering and complaining on this forum. Podiatrists still get treated like 2nd class health providers by some here and the earnings and lifestyle are nothing like what we were told. But, if you have altruistic reasons for wanting to become a podiatrist, it's not a bad career choice. from IP address 63.206.141.246 |
Be A PA or NPby Mark BOyer (no login)Altruism is for the birds come student loan time. Car, house, student loans, undergrad loans, tele, insurance, gas, food, hygiene, malpractice, heat, electricity, good luck on a podiatry income. be a PA or NP. from IP address 134.174.110.5 |
Chance at Medical schoolby Anonymous (no login)For years I have been trying to get out of our field and make it into the main street of medicine. But getting into US medschools proved to be an uphill battle. I spent many years reseraching options and alternatives to US schools. I recently found a resource that may prove very helpful to those of us who may be thinking about a change of career. I found an educational consulting firm out of Toronto available to assist people like us to get into European medical schools. They don't charge anything for their services. I'll post their website here as a resource for anyone interested in this option: www.ermanagement.org (416)290-6107 E-mail: annev@consultant.com from IP address 209.226.248.121 |
Alternative med schoolsby Anomalous (no login)I would be somewhat wary of attending a med school in Europe. I did a lot of research on the subject, too and came away thinking that this might be too much of a risk. You probably already know this, but what's important about these schools is percentage of U.S. residency placement and board pass rate. Another no-brainer would be to make sure that the actual degree is recognized. You should go to www.studentdoctor.net and check out a forum that discusses foreign medical schools. You can get a ton of information by just asking. I find it hard to believe that you're having trouble getting into a foreign med school. The acceptance rate at the traditional carib schools is really high. Having said that, I personally would only consider 3: American University of the Caribbean, Ross University and St. George University. from IP address 64.173.105.132 |
European Med Schools???by AnonPod (no login)When I was attending the University of Toronto, a classmate of mine was from Germany trying to get in med school at UofT. I said that I heard that the national average application pool for med schools in Canada was 300 applicants for each 1st year seat. He said that it was 3 times as great in Germany and so he came to Canada to do his undergrad here, then try to get into med school and after graduating, he would go back to Germany to practise. Not only is there more competition in Europe but you have to be fluent in the language of the country where the university is located, since most of the courses are taught in the local language. These are general comments and open to criticism. from IP address 199.212.26.244 |
European Schoolsby KU med ms2 (no login)...and European schools are TOUGH! At least in France anyway. You better speak the language or you are not going to make it. I have cousins in France who are practicing doctors. I visited their medical schools and hospitals just for fun a couple of summers ago, and I can tell you that they are top notch! Only the best of the best makes it over there. In france, pretty much everyone who wants to can start medical school, but after 2 yrs of basic sciences, everyone takes a national exam and base on the results, only the top 20% stays, 80% gets eliminated. Can you imagine having to score the top 20% on the usmle to stay in med school?!! from IP address 169.147.155.174 |
Re: Chance at Medical schoolby Anonymous (no login)Be Wary of these services they are a big big rip off. Any DPM can get into a foreign medical school on there own. from IP address 65.33.191.74 |
This Place Is Not A Scamby Anonymous (no login)This company is not a typical admissions service that charge people a fee. They have contracts with several schools in Europe to operate a North Anerican office to handle applications, FA, and running the US clinicals. They don't charge applicants any fees whatsoever. They don't even make admissions decisions. They're just administrative, nothing more. I have heard of these school agents cheating students, but this place is not that kind of an outfit. from IP address 206.172.136.211 |
Look at this program.by Pod (no login)I found this website just the other day. Seems to have all the right stuff for an American-like medical program. The cost is pretty good and the program has US clinicals. It's 4-years long and it's taught entirely in English and it doesn't have the Caribbean stigma, At least it's a real medical school. Their website is: www.varnamed.org Just wanted to pass this info along to anyone who's interested. from IP address 216.209.113.122 |
Downhill Podiatryby (no login)Let'sdiscuss how the Podiatry schools are losing control. If the schools lose control, so goes the profession. 1. PCPM was independent for decades. Then, they sold the school to Temple University. How does that benefit podiatry? CONTROL of the school and 1/7 of the professional growth is not in podiatry's hands. To call this a "merger", is pure "spin". 2. Scholl College of Podiatry. Was ICPM for decades then Dr Scholl donated 5 mil over 5 years and the name was changed. School could not "make it", and it was sold to the Finch University- Chicago Medical School. How does it benefit podiatry for another 1/7 of the future of the profession to be out of podiatry's hands? To call this a "merger"is pure "spin". 3. Barry Podiatry is a school of the Barry University. Not independent. Who owns it? Who controls it? 4. California College of Podiatry. Closest podiatry school 2000 miles away. Can't make it. Sold to Merritt College. How does it benefit podiatry for another 1/7 of the future of podiatry to be out of podiatry's hands? To call this a "merger" is pure "spin". 5. Arizona School announces a new podiatry school to be controlled by the University. There is no need for it and it won't happen. 6. Ohio College still independent as far as I know. 7. New York college of podiatry. Allunmi offer a LAPTOP computer for every referral of a new student. Don't hear anything about the IUHS off shore medical school that does not produce graduates who can sit for the US Licensing exams. Still independent college. from IP address 67.26.43.159 |
loosing controlby KU med ms2 (no login)The same thing is happening in allopathic/osteopathic medicine. With the wildfire spread of HMOs, the icreasing power of NPs, PAs...I bet in 5-10 yrs. Optometrists will have surgical power, CRNAs will have the same rights as anesthesiologists, PhD psychiatrists will be prescribing meds, and orthopedic NPs will be performing bunionectomies and hammmertoe surgeries! It's really SAD! ms2 from IP address 204.185.73.77 |
Re: loosing controlby Anonymous (no login)No, Things are not so bad. These things will not happen. Income will do DOWN. It will take more paperwork to get a claim paid. There will be more employees, each salary means that much less take home. There will be LESS patients. This is the future, regardless of how much grey matter a podiatry student has to assimilate it. from IP address 67.26.42.7 |
The Future is Now... kusm2?by Anonymous (no login)NPs are earning more autonomy is hospitals, HMOs, and city clinics. In several cases being the sole providers. CRNAs are being hired all across the country in >100 bed hospitals as the 'Chiefs of Anesthesia'. Optometrists have been given enhanced Rx powers. PhDs psychologists do have a pilot program leading to Rx powers in some states. Its a matter of time before more states jump on the wagon. Why are you so scared of this happening? Most of the mentioned professionals are qualified for the positions available to them and more. from IP address 63.226.70.119 |
scared?by KU med ms2 (no login)ME? SCARED? Believe me PAL, what I am going to do after my residency is very secure. No other health care provider is going to be able to come close to have the education or the skill to be doing to do what I am going to do. I'm just worried for guys like you, you know...limited and no other alternatives. from IP address 204.185.73.107 |
KU med ms2by Anonymous (no login)Guys like me huh? What exactly does that mean? I am not a pod, PhD, NP, CRNA, MD, or DO. I am in school. What speciality are you going for? Proctology? Yeah, no one wants to deal with that anyways. One day you will be phased out by a mid-level practitioner in one aspect or another and you know it. It is sucess for the insurance companies and decent for the patient. Dont be a hot-headed MD/DO. We (the world) need less errogant MD/DOs and more caring docs, nurses, and other pratitioners. Why is it about the money? What happened to caring about people. Isnt that why you are becoming a doc? from IP address 63.225.59.27 |
Own=Controlby D.P.M. (no login)The students won't understand what this means. They buy the crap about the "merge" of podiatry with the MD world. What a bunch of crap. There is no merge, just a sale of very weak podiatry colleges to the very strong medical colleges. The truth is the first thing to go in podiatry. from IP address 67.26.42.238 |
Re: Downhill Podiatryby Icculus (no login)What about my Iowa school??? That's what I thought. By the way, next time you're up in Pittsburgh, stop by W. Penn and say hello. You can tell Catz and Mendicino how podiatry is going downhill as well...Col. Forbin from IP address 63.212.151.224 |
Scholl was not "sold"by Pod Student (no login)For your information, Scholl was not "sold" in the merger with Finch. Scholl has an enormous endownment offering the most scholarship money to its students-15 first year students receive a half tuition scholarship, not to mention the other merit awards. Finch/CMS was the one that has been in "trouble" and Scholl saw an opportunity t |