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bone cyst?by (no login)I have treated a 45 year old female with orthotics successfully for the past 2 years. In short she has a compensated pes planus deformity. Recently, she presented with a radiology report that said the following, "No recent fracture or significant osteoarthritic changes are seen in the ankle joint. There is some irregularity of distal articular surface of talus and there is either marked narrowing and sclerosis or fusion of talonavicular joint and this apperance could be on the basis of previous surgery(no), previous trauma(no) or infection(no). Clinical correlation advised. A 1cm radiolucency is seen in the navicular and this could represent a small bone cyst". Other than coservatively treating with orthotics, are there any other suggestions for a treatment plan? from IP address 64.231.53.120 |
X-rayby Jeffrey C. Davids, DPM (no login)I'd start with getting your own x-ray to look at. If you can't get a good view, get a CT. This isn't something to ignore, nor will orthotics help it if it is a cyst. Where did this radiology report come from anyway? Who ordered it? If you ordered it, you should be reading it. You may also want to have it checked against any old x-rays she may have had, to see if it was there back then, or has gotten bigger, etc. Definitely follow up. If it is a cyst, it could be malignant and you will possibly save her life. Jeff from IP address 152.163.201.188 |
Unique Perspectiveby Career Changer (no login)I find this forum to be very interesting. I am in the midst of changing careers to begin my pursuit of my true ambition-to become a physician. I am still undecided about medical school (MD/DO) or optometry school (OD). However, I have decided not to attend podiatry school. My decision not to attend podiatry school is not necessarily determined by the responses on this forum; rather, my experience of being in the work force, thus paying health insurance premiums. ( I notice "who" gets "what". Money is NOT my motivation, but my desire to diagnose and treat people in a primary care/preventative medicine capacity is. If money were my motivation, I would keep doing what I do now.) These are the problems with the podiatry profession as I see them from a patient's point of view. 1. My insurance does not cover podiatry visits (I have had several plans, and none of them covered podiatry). I have had problems with my feet (fallen arches and splitting toenails). I have to go to my primary care physician, who will then refer me to an orthopedic or dermatologist. Though the podiatry visit would be cheaper if I paid out of pocket, I do not; I only pay the insurance co-pay for the office visit, which is cheaper than the out-of-pocket. 2. I had no idea what a podiatrist was until I began teaching (which I no longer do). One of my peers was a podiatry student-turned-chemistry teacher (she quit after her 2nd year). 3. Those that do know about podiatry do not understand the training. Podiatrists do not have the training of MD's/DO's. (I have seen posts here that argue otherwise, but I know that any MD/DO regardless of the speciality can treat me for a simple case of sinusitis, but I know a DPM can not). Nothing is wrong with that, because podiatry school is NOT medical (the whole body) school, and does not diminish the value of what podiatry can offer in spite of this. However, because orthopedics is such a lucrative field, other professions, especially physical therapists, have been more successful at marketing themselves at the orthopedic specialists. My sister was in a pretty bad car accident, resulting in severe damage to her lower extremities. An orthopedic surgeon saved her leg, and a physical therapist did the post op care (she actually had the podiatric option). I am quite sure a podiatrist could have treated her just as well as the PT (2 yrs of training vs 4 yrs + a residency. I think podiatry needs to market itself better. That being said, I can understand the frustration of the podiatrists on this post who think their efforts to serve are in vain, because I truly believe that for every 1 successful DPM there are scores of unsuccessful DPMs, and I do not think it is for lack of effort (no stats, only my humble opinion, being a consumer patient and in and conversations with non-DPM health professionals I know). Honestly, as a consumer patient on a health plan, podiatrists are no where to be found, which translates into limited demand. This being the case, of course the market will be saturated with podiatrists, since the schools are continuing to produce them and the demand is low. If this situation is going to change, then podiatry schools, professional organizations, students, and practitioners need to unite to solve these problems, as soon as possible. It seems like time is running out, especially with physician assistants obtaining orthopedic training (I have a friend who dates an orthopedic PA). I can not help but wonder if podiatry is on its way to becoming obsolete as a profession. from IP address 152.163.197.82 |
Really?by Ed Szabo, DPM (no login)Dear Career Changer, You obviously have no idea about the reality of podiatry. from IP address 207.166.216.200 |
Consumer's Perspectiveby Career Changer (no login)I only have the reality of podaitry from what I experience as a consumer. A visit to the podiatrist's office in not even an option for me; my insurance will not pay for it. Because the insurance will not cover it, a podiatrist will not make any money off of me via my insurance. As far as the internal problems of podiatry, I am not a podiatrist, so I have not experienced those. I am only explaining the issue of demand and marketability of the podiatrist from the perspective of someone who, on occasion needs foot care and is limited to the practitioners chosen by the health insurance conpanies. It does not help that most of us consumers/patients do not know what a podiatrist has to offer. I am only telling you what the consumer is confronted with. There are probably many factors that have contributed to this, but I personally believe (my humble opinion only) that all parties involved with this profession need to reach a consensus and agree to resolve these problems so the profession will sustain itself. from IP address 205.188.199.161 |
Ed Szaboby Anon (no login)You obviously live in a fantasy world where podiatrists are thoroughly respected, treat all foot and ankle ailments and never go bankrupt. from IP address 63.206.143.81 |
Yes, reallyby Anomalous (no login)What is it that this poster fails to understand, Dr. Szabo? His health plans don't cover podiatry? This is not uncommon. He gets referred to doctors other than DPM's? Again, not uncommon. His peer quit podiatry after two years to teach? I know of 3 people who quit in the same span of time. His belief that podiatry school does not train students as extensively as MD or DO school? C'mon. That podiatrists are increasingly competing with nurse practitioners, PT's, OT's, PA's?? It's true. His thoughts that podiatry is on its way to becoming obsolete? Could be. I'm not going to wait around to find out. from IP address 64.167.78.218 |
Re: Yes, reallyby Anonymous (no login)Some insurance companies dont cover derm, PMR, Dentistry, Optometry ect, the list goes on and on. from IP address 209.227.6.18 |
Re: Unique Perspectiveby Anonymous (no login)To respond to your opinions 1. Last time I checked I was just as expensive as a orthopod or dermatologist. E/M coding and procedure coding is the same across the board regardless of speciality. It's illegal to pay one speciality more than another. I'm not saying it does not exist and when it is encountered we fight it and win. I have not encountered a insurance plan that a patient presents that will not cover my visits, corns and calluses and sometimes"flat feet" are excluded. I like non-covered services that means cash in my pocket. Patients don't mind because of the pain relief 2. That doesn't suprise me did you think podiatrists we "kids doctors" 3. Your comparision doesn't make sense. You can say that there was an option of podiatrist fixing her leg versus the orhtopod doing it, but to compare the post-op care doesn't make sense. A podiatrist would not provide that type of care a physical therapist does. So it's a good thing she was sent to a physical therapist! 4. Actually for one unsecessful podiatrist there are scores of successful pods. Go visit the podiatrist where you live and you will see what I mean There is a huge difference between MD and DO and OD do your homework and good luck to you. from IP address 24.92.209.33 |
Consumer Perspective . . . againby Career Changer (no login)My sister's accident left her with a few large, very deep wounds that needed several skin grafts; that is why I think a podiatrist would have been just as appropriate, if not more appropriate, than a PT for the post-op care (this went on for almost a year). What I am saying is that if I have to pay OUT-OF-POCKET, then podiatry IS the cheaper way for me to go. I am aware of medical billing and how it works for both, the insured and the non-insured patient. Please do not equate cheaper with substandard care; that is not my intent with this message. I think podiatrists are very competent and COST EFFECTIVE; it is just unfortunate that many patients/consumers are not aware of the variety of services that you can offer. Yes, I know there is a big difference between MDs/DOs and ODs. ODs and DPMs are similar in that they are not whole body physicians. My attraction to the OD is my desire not to do any surgery and still be able to provide primary and preventative care (besides, I think optics is an interesting area). I have shadowed several ODs and spoken to even more of them about all aspects of the profession. They have all been very helpful. The MD/DO option is actually my second choice. I have also been speaking with them and will begin volunteering the the emergency room with them (yes, both types of physicians) next week. (I have investigated attidudes between and among the professions; however, this is not my primary concern.) All I am saying is that me, the insurance paying patient, will not see a podiatrist as long as my health insurance does not cover it. I have been fortunate enough to have health insurance that covered all of my ailments (fallen arches and toenail issues). I think it is a shame that more health insurance plans do not pay for podiatric care. Hopefully, you all will spread the word about the benefits that you can offer patients. Thank you for wishing me good luck. from IP address 152.163.213.56 |
Florida Business Journalby R. Wilner, DPM (no login)"I can not help but wonder if podiatry is on its way to becoming obsolete as a profession" The Florida Business Journal wrote a piece that came to that conclusion. It was posted to this Student Forum. Personally, one can easily make that point based on a few issues that nobody wants to even think about. This profession is based on Medicare money. If and when that money significantly decreases, the business of podiatry comes to an end. Along with the decreases in Medicare money, Managed Care money follows. I invite ANYBODY to reflect on the decreases of reinbursements and at what point does one know that one can not run an office on the few bucks the Medicare sends. I am also interested in hearing from those who think that Podiatry services are so critical that the fees can NEVER be decreased. from IP address 67.25.10.111 |
Re: Unique Perspectiveby Anonymous (no login)you obviously have no idea what a podiatrist is and does from IP address 169.139.19.251 |
You people need some attitude adjustingby Howard Weisman,DPM (no login)To Whom It May Concern: I found this site by accident doing a google.com search and I have spent the last three hours reading old posts. I am to say the least horrified by what I read. Never have I seen such a conglomerate of bellyaching whiners. Yes, life is tough in medicine...ALL MEDICINE, including podiatry. The people that complain about podiatry are the same people in podiatry school who always compared us to MD's,,etc... If you are stuck in PPMR "trash heap hell" THEN GET OFF YOUR BUTT AND GET SOME SURGICAL TRAINING. Now is the best time ever to get surgical training. I feel that the majority of you who complain are MD wannabe's who never understood podiatry's true place in the medical field. We are foot and ankle specialists, NOT GENERAL PHYSICIANS. Yes,life is tough if you don't have surgical training, but you have to do whatever it takes to get some. PPMR training is NOT SUFFICE in today's economic world. I started my practice with a bank loan on top of $140,000 in school loan debt. Today I net about $350,000 in fees and have an office staff of 11 including three other DPM's. I took the risks, now what are you all gonna do? If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen NOW!!!!!!! You people who want to go back to DO school make me laugh. You think getting some ("perceived" second rate medical degree) is gonna make you happy, THINK AGAIN. If you want to be a medical doctor, GO TO AN ACCREDITED US ALLOPATHIC MEDICAL SCHOOL, not some osteopathy college or heaven forbid a beach school diploma mill. You will never get the perceived respect otherwise. I am a surgeon first and podiatrist second, you all need to think like that. I average about 20 surgical procedures a month and yes, I gladly do any primary care podiatry that walks in my door, it is all money to me. Dissuading well qualified applicants to podiatry school is a travesty. With the current applicant crisis, we need good candiates to keep the schools and future practioners going, we need support not negativity. Some of you people need a stiff kicking to get back on track. I am absoluteley disgusted by some of the thoughts on this board. I hope my post sets a trend in this boards topics. Good day to all. Sincerely, Howard Weisman, DPM Valley Foot and Ankle Surgical Associates, P.C. from IP address 192.234.106.2 |
Re: You people need some attitude adjustingby Anonymous (no login)You are absolutely right that the DPM's on this forum need a check-up from the neck up. I have a question with only 350,000 in collected fees and a staff of 11 and a DPM, it doesn't seem like there would be much left. Why such the high overhead? from IP address 65.33.191.74 |
To those who wonderby Anonymous (no login)To those who wonder what posts would be like if the majority of pods found this site and posted- I think this would be the overwhelming vibe of this board. Sorry but it's the truth- 99% of pods are doing very well and a respected part of the healthcare team. from IP address 64.196.60.51 |
Dr. Weismanby Anonymous 2 (no login)"If you are stuck in PPMR "trash heap hell" THEN GET OFF YOUR BUTT AND GET SOME SURGICAL TRAINING. Now is the best time ever to get surgical training". Kind of idealistic thinking, Dr. Weisman. First off, there aren't as many programs as you fantasize there are. Second, even if there were available surgical programs, how many of them would be worthwhile? Third, if there were programs, how many would be in my area? Fourth, if I were to take one of these programs, would I not be taking away from a podiatry student whose only mistake was to believe the hype and enter pod school?? While I'm not making a lot of money doing menial chip and clip (thanks to my inferior training, which is a direct result of podiatry's inability to fully train me despite the enormous amount of money that I paid for my anemic education), I certainly cannot afford to go back to a residency program that will pay me something near poverty wages and which will not guarantee me anything other than I finished a surgical program. I have a life, a fiance', a house, etc. I'm stuck as are many others like myself who naively believed that AT THE MINIMUM we would be fully trained as DPM's to at least have a chance to compete with other DPM's. "I started my practice with a bank loan on top of $140,000 in school loan debt. Today I net about $350,000 in fees and have an office staff of 11 including three other DPM's. I took the risks, now what are you all gonna do? If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen NOW!!!!!!!" Well, since you're professing to have "made it" as a podiatrist, why don't you share your secrets of success with others on this forum who are nearing bankruptcy? Nobody else seems to be willing to help. They just want to point out what cry babies we are and to just shut up. "You people who want to go back to DO school make me laugh. You think getting some ("perceived" second rate medical degree) is gonna make you happy, THINK AGAIN. If you want to be a medical doctor, GO TO AN ACCREDITED US ALLOPATHIC MEDICAL SCHOOL, not some osteopathy college or heaven forbid a beach school diploma mill. You will never get the perceived respect otherwise." You're ignorance of what a DO is should embarass you. Clearly, you know nothing of the profession, the earning potential, the respect within the medical community, etc. Allow me to educate you on just a few facts: DO's have a higher standard for admission than podiatry school does. DO's make more than DPM's right out of residency. DO's can choose to be any kind of doctor they want to be AFTER they've done a traditional, fully inclusive medical education, which exposes them to ALL FACETS of medicine. Only then do they make an EDUCATED choice on what type of PHYSICIAN they are best suited to be. DO's have JOB OFFERS when they finish their residency training. DO's can choose from a variety of loan repayment programs to help them pay off their student loans. DO's can use their license in many countries overseas. DO's are compensated in exactly the same way as MD's. DO's are not called "DO's" when they finish their training. They're called "Internists", "Emergency Room Physicians", "General Surgeons", etc. Even if they were called a DO, they do not have the same inferiority complex that many DPM's have. DO's enjoy respect wherever they go with the exception of a tiny minority of ignorant MD's who are equally uninformed. There is no standard at all for entry into podiatry school today. A pulse may not even be necessary. Podiatry residents, for the most part, struggle mightily when they finish their programs. A very small minority find a meaningful position, but most are relagated to chipping and clipping for some other pod. Most pod students enter podiatry because they were unsuccessful in entering DO or MD school and they have ABSOLUTELY KNOW IDEA if podiatric medicine and/or surgery is right for them. They just want to be doctors and found this to be the best back door way to get it. DPM's have almost no source for job opportunities and, thus, are running around trying to network for scraps. DPM's have no loan repayment programs to choose from, save a small handful of Indian reservations. A DPM's eduation is TOTALLY WORTHLESS ouside of the insulated world of podiatry. Even the overseas MD schools (which you so ignorantly slammed further embarassing yourself) won't touch a single unit with a sterilized 10 foot pole. DPM's are sometimes compensated differently than MD's and DO's simply because they are DPM's. Often, other health practitioners are paid MORE for the same work simply because of their title. Podiatrists are called "podiatrists" when they finish. Different people have different reactions to this title. As I said before, DO's are FULLY LICENSED PHYSICIANS and are known by their specialty, not by their title. DPM's are constantly fighting for respect and are always trying to educate the public on our training, qualifications and "doctor" status. "I am a surgeon first and podiatrist second, you all need to think like that." Ironically, it's this kind of thinking that is ruining podiatry. The schools are enticing students with visions of triples and reconstructive surgeries while abandoning what makes a podiatrist indispensable. They neglect to tell the students that it is fairly rare for a DPM to have surgery as a primary part of his or her practice. Non-invasive foot care is what separates podiatry from the rest of the pack. Surgery arose, in part, because of the MD envy that you disparage. Students are increasingly less interested in pursuing the less glamorous role of biomechanic expert, wound expert, shoe expert, etc. and are fixated on being a REAL DOCTOR which being a surgeon provides. "Dissuading well qualified applicants to podiatry school is a travesty." I feel I'm doing a public service by exposing the truth about podiatry that these well meaning prospective students would not have found out otherwise. "With the current applicant crisis, we need good candiates to keep the schools and future practioners going, we need support not negativity." Would you advocate more and more people to build their homes on a fault line? "Some of you people need a stiff kicking to get back on track. I am absoluteley disgusted by some of the thoughts on this board. I hope my post sets a trend in this boards topics." I can only imagine that you're living in a pretty insulated world and know nothing about the current realities that face new practitioners. from IP address 63.206.143.81 |
To Anon 2by (no login)Anonymous 2, I applaud your ability to post a calm, well articulated response to Dr. Weisman. I could not agree more with every one of your responses. His attitude is truly why more people do not come forward with their stories of dissappointment with our profession. And his patronizing, "Just do it", attitude with no helpful suggestions, is why I can not respond with what I really want to say and still have an anonymous post. I also applaud Dr. Wiesman's ability to be so financially successful in Podiatry without the help of any other Podiatrists. The few Pod's I know of that have his kind of success have worked hard for many years. But, wait a minute. If he has been in practice that long, how could his student loans have been so huge. I thought students with that kind of loan burden were recent graduates from the late to mid 1990's. Yes, like you, I would like to hear the particulars of his success story without the put-down, pompous attitude. from IP address 199.174.7.132 |
Go figure it out for yourselfby Anthony White (no login)Go figure it out for yourself anonymous2. Why do people always want others to make things happen for them? Be independent MAN! from IP address 205.188.199.163 |
Anthonyby Anonymous (no login)Good thing you think that way because ain't nobody gonna hold your hand when you get out. from IP address 64.167.78.218 |
Hold hands?by Anthony White (no login)What planet are you on? There is no career on this planet that anyone will hold your hand and make it easy for you to succeed. I am glad you posted your "true colors" and obvious agenda. I don't need your helping hand nor would I ever request this from your negative for the upcoming podiatrist. No different than the same APMA that you critique all the time. I am a Man! I respectfully agree with some of the podiatrists on this forum b/c they bring real issues that stimulate my thinking of how to succeed in this proffession from their experiences and for that I am gratefull. I just don't share your view on the world and how I need that "parental" hand. You know what? I don't care to write people who only wish misery on others. Your continual story about your horrible PPMR on studentdoctor.com and this forum is a sad agenda. For all those on this site that think podiatrists are the only people that get mistreated like Dr.Gale I have news for you. Your wrong! There is an MD who just got out of JAIL, yes JAIL b/c he was accused of murder on a patient which was just thrown out after spending 15 years behind bars and being wrongfully accused. He gave a great speech at Thomas Jefferson Medical school recently and I was honored to be there and here this by the Gentleman himself. Get a grip and stop bashing podiatrists that have made it because it makes you look too dependent! from IP address 64.12.102.167 |
Injusticeby R. Wilner, DPM (no login)Injustice in the Podiatry Profession. Dr Brain Gale is a fellow with a 4 year Residency who spent 10 years of his life getting severely mistreated by the North Daktota Board of Podiatry. The APMA, when FORCED to "do something" as this matter was giving "Podiatry" a bad name, started a Board of Inquiry that would report it's findings after 18 months of "investigation". If the APMA "investigated", they did a terrible job. Their findings SUPPORT the actions of the North Dakota Board of Podiatry. Are YOU, as a student proud of that? Or, perhaps you don't care as it does not directly affect you. If is YOUR profession, and as time passes fewer and fewer of undergrads want to make podiatry a career. Do you ever wonder why? It is not the silly words experssed in this Forum or others. The drive to be called "Doctor" is far too powerful to be influenced by these Forums. Regarding Criminal cases, at least there is a trial of peers with a very high level of proof needed, unlike the Kangaroo Courts that the State Podiatry Boards are. from IP address 67.25.8.247 |
Excellent Insightby Ed Szabo, DPM (no login)Dr. Weisman is correct with every word he wrote. It dosn't take long to figure out the common denominator of the disgruntled posters at this site. It is a simple inability to accept responsibility for themselves. I don't know why that is, but it is obvious. Since Dr. Weisman is new and others may not know, I would like to remind everyone that the creator of this site intended it to be a constructive forum between the professions's experienced practitioners and the future (students) of the profession. He did not intend it to become the electronic nesting place for the terminally miserable. Unfortunately, a small number of malcontents monopolized the site to the point where people with something useful to say are so turned-off by the negatvity that they quit posting. I hope the obscurity of this site has limited its ability to adversely influence the future of the profession. I hope the future seeks out practicing podiatrists for a more accurate view of the profession. I hope the disgruntled posters follow Dr. Weisman's advice, I think they would be much more satisfied. from IP address 207.166.216.200 |
Dr. Szabo's insular world.by Anomalous (no login)You sure do have a patronizing tone with your posts, Dr. Szabo. You seem to have some real difficulty in understanding or tolerating other opinions. You also appear to lack much sympathy for those who are less fortunate. You're just like every other poster who extols the virtues of podiatry while verbally smacking anyone who disagrees. I guess that's easier than lifting even a knuckle hair to offer advice. Oh yeah, I forgot. You don't want to divulge your secrets of success to a bunch of "malcontents" and "anonymous" posters. At least I agree that many people can have a fruitful, rewarding career as a DPM. I'm sick of saying it, but I'll post it again. I accept responsibility for not investigating podiatry more thoroughly. The schools, however, need to accept responsibility for increasing enrollment while failing to keep up with an equal number of decent residencies that fully train the resident. The schools need to accept responsibility for not always populating the faculty with competent, experienced professors that can impart their wisdom on students who are investing a ton of money. The schools and the APMA do nothing to promote the profession (though, before they promote it, they should overhaul it to the point where it can be promoted truthfully). The schools also need to RAISE the standards for admission instead of incrementally lowering them year by year. And what reasonably minded student would even begin to think to ask questions like, "are there going to be enough residencies when I graduate"? "am I going to be fully trained as a podiatrist when I graduate"? "is my residency program going to pay me anything for my work"? "is there going to be a way for me to help get my loans paid off if I'm having a hard time making ends meet"? It bears repeating: Any student who is applying to a REAL medical school does not need to worry about these ridiculous possibilities. What country do you live in, Dr Szabo? I live in the United States which encourages dissent and debate. I appreciate this freedom to express my concerns as well as my happiness. And what powers have been bestowed on you to blanketly call a group of people who don't follow your beliefs "terminably miserable"? I'm actually a very, very happy person. I just made a mistake with podiatry and am currently correcting it. "I hope the obscurity of this site has limited its ability to adversely influence the future of the profession." The funny thing is that I'm sure that this site has next to nothing to do with the extreme drop in application numbers. People are just doing their research and talking to the professionals. My guess is that very few DPM's, MD's, DO's, other health professionals, college advisors are recommending podiatry as a viable career. from IP address 64.167.78.218 |
Office staffby Jeffrey C. Davids, DPM (no login)Dr. Weisman, With all due respect, I have two questions: First, I would like to know how long you have been practicing. Second, I would like to know what you pay those "3 DPM associates." The fact is that most associate positions pay very poorly. Do you compensate them well? Do you consider them employees or independent contractors? Do you pay for their health and medical malpractice insurance? APMA dues? Other benefits? I was offered a job paying $24k a year with 15% of the collections. Do you feel that is fair compensation for somebody who graduated #9 in his class but wasn't able to obtain a surgical program (which, when I graduated, numbered about 350 for 600 graduates and about 100 or more returning DPM's looking for a surgical program). Futher, do you suggest I try to get surgical training now? Would anybody give me a program since I haven't seen a patient in over 3 years? I'm sidelined. I've learned to accept it. It's nice to hear the success stories, but the failures don't mean that the people are failures at life, nor at being good physicians. It means there was a breakdown in the system somewhere, and there is the hope of future improvement. Until it is fixed, however, potential students shouldn't fixate all their hopes and dreams that being a world famous surgical DPM. I'm glad you found this site, and I hope you respond to the criticisms of your statements. This forum could use a more balanced approach. Jeff from IP address 152.163.201.188 |
Logicby Oliver Stone, D.P.M. (no login)Dr. Weissman, According to your logic, a D.O. is a second class degree and a D.P.M. is a first class degree; then wouldn't a person with a D.O. degree and a D.P.M. degree, be a first class physician, since he/she obtained a D.P.M. degree? Oliver Stone, D.P.M. from IP address 172.158.95.150 |
Re: Logicby Anonymous (no login)Two different types of degrees, A DO and a MD are basically the same degree hence the same profession. A DPM is in a different professional group. DPM degree is more similar to OD, DC nonphysicians if you will. DO and MD are physician degrees. MD is the gold standard and compared to the MD degree in the eyes of the medical establishment the more reputable and marketable degree is the MD. I wouldnt use the term 2nd class citizen though. from IP address 209.227.6.18 |
To answer questionsby Trey Anastasio (no login)Blankenship, the PPMR that I am at is very poor in podiatry, but as I said, I do a PSR-24+ after this. I do 3 months of podiatry at the residency director's office. That's my exposure to feet this year except for my other rotations. The consult that I brought up was for gen sx, not podiatry. What was very disturbing is that the attending treating this pt was informed from ID that the lady "needed a BKA". He then, without seeing the pt, consulted gen sx. Fortunately, I was on their service and recommended a partial ray amp which I performed. Unfortunately, she was d/c'd by the same attending without proper f/u and has since returned to have the BKA after I finished my rotation. To answer how she developed a decub on her medial 1st MPJ, she was contracted in such a way that she could only lay on her side. This obviously put pressure on the medial side of the 1st. Dr. Szabo, believe it or not, you can be contracted in more than one position. I will however tell you that this program is strong in medicine. I do learn a heck of alot, and have performed many procedures outside of my scope. I actually delivered a baby, and his feet were wonderful. Trey
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Clarificationby Ed Szabo, DPM (no login)Trey, I think you misunderstood my question, "Why does a bedridden patient have a decub ulcer on medial 1st MPJ?" I didn't mean that I don't understand the physical and physiological processes that lead to this ailment. The point is you solicited outside opinions without presenting a clear history. There were too many variables to give an opinion. I wanted to know was the patient noncompliant, was she being neglected by staff at the nursing home, did her caregivers not understand that bony prominences need to be offloaded. You had not painted a clear picture as to the etiology. Physical contracture alone is not a sufficient explanation for a decub ulcer. I was simply looking for more info. If you feel that the staff at nursing home was under informed or even neglectful, could you really expect that a partial ray amp was going to heal where there was previously an decub ulcer. Now the patient is all the way to a BK amp and she had good vascular flow per your prior post. Part of what lead me to podiatry was watching my grandfather's health deteriorate after B/L BK amps to the point where he died within 6 months of the second amp. He didn't have a podiatrist and no one ever bothered to explore any other real alternatives to his neuropathic ulcerations. He did have a long history of Type 2 Diabetes and HD, but the collapse in his health after the BKs was exponential. I hate the thought of anyone doing these amps when the alternatives have not been explored. Maybe they were, but your post didn't indicate that. from IP address 207.166.216.205 |
for prospective podiatry studentsby (no login)As has been said many times, there are many problems in the podiatry profession. Among these are lack of education in podiatric biomechanics, erratic clinical experiences, varying degrees of residency training, lack of surgical training for all graduates, lack of access to board certification by ABPS, and problems with third party insurance carriers. A minor issue is recogniton by MDs and DOs, because this is easily solved by doing well with foot pathologies with their patients, and educating these doctors on the services you are able to provide. The more major issues can be solved by networking with other colleagues, and forming alliances. There are certifying boards and podiatry organizations that welcome all podiatrists. Although complaining about the injustices that have occurred may be cathartic for some of the posters here, REAL CHANGE will not occur without an effort to do make positive changes in this profession. If the podiatry students banded together in the direction of positive change, the impact would be felt by this profession. from IP address 66.109.135.70 |
CME questionsby Anonymous (no login)Is accumulating CME credits still on the "honor" system or do you have to somehow prove that you did your minium total? from IP address 64.167.77.96 |
CMEby Jeffrey C. Davids, DPM (no login)I think it is probably State dependent. In VA, where I am licensed (though I no longer practice - and don't even live in VA), it is on the honor system. They do, however, randomly pick docs to check on. If you are picked, you had better have your proof. Better to go ahead and take the CME than worry if they are going to ask for your paperwork every two years. Jeff from IP address 152.163.201.76 |
CME answersby (no login)Organizations that require CMEs usually ask how many credits were taken for a given time period. Some of these organizations ask for copies of the CME certificates, others ask for a list of CME courses taken, while others ask for the total number of credits. It varies, so you need to find out what requirements are for the organizations you are interested in. from IP address 66.109.135.93 |
How many new Students?by Anonymous (no login)How many new Students? How many Applicants? Why haven't the APMA reported this numbers? from IP address 67.25.8.157 |
pls help with rather rare foot disorderby (no login)"Caldaneal Nazicular Coalition" is the technical name of a disorder i am trying to gather information on. it causes two bones in the foot to grow together. i cannot find any information on it, and i was wondering if it had a different name possibly. my girl friend has this disorder and it makes it so she cannot run or even walk for extended periods of time without significant pain. it also gives her arthritus, which is bad when she is not even 20 yet... any and all help is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Brandon from IP address 192.138.137.220 |
Answerby Marc Wright, DPM (no login)Calcaneal-Navicular Coalition. Seek out a podiatrist with good surgical experience. from IP address 64.167.77.96 |
Maybe rename this The Pod Joke Forum?by TryinFootDoc (no login)Well, i am still tryin, but to no avail. I read this forum often, but am thinking that it is really becoming a jokesters paradise, maybe my friend ( who is trying to make it in comedy) should read this......he might get some useful material. I must admit I have & still am trying to make a go of it, even though i have been out of school for quite some time. Sometimes it seemd so fruitless, & maybe I should consider a change, as i see others have. In all seriousness, was pod school really a waste? I am have thought that for some time & that is why i am at a stand still. I don't no of any former collegues who are making it. Could it just be i know of the wrong people. Can you make it without a PSR? ....opps I do know of one who is doing well. Till later, The Still Tryin Doc from IP address 66.203.10.141 |
Questionby Anonymous (no login)How does a resident find a job? Assume either a one year PPMR or a lesser known PPMR followed by a lesser known PSR. from IP address 63.203.103.23 |
Resident and Jobby Anonymous (no login)How does a Resident find a job? In Medicine, there are hundreds of headhunters and magazines, etc with thousands of jobs. There are ways to get the Student loans paid for. In Podiatry, there is the POL classifieds, the APMA Classifieds and maybe a few other places. That is it. from IP address 67.24.13.153 |
Ask Podiatry Schools for Donationby Alan Blankenship (no login)Because podiatry schools (Temple) are having 4th year students call alumni for monetary donations, can we call our former "deans" and recruiters if they have money to give to us (grant, reward, gift) to help us through the tough times/student loans in podiatry. I suggest we all call our former "schools" and ask these folks for some money (make sure you call them at night at their private residences-like they did to myself asking for a donation). I am sure they would all be very proud and honored to help and positively respond to a fellow graduate. from IP address 134.174.244.221 |
Not a bad idea, Alanby Marc Wright, DPM (no login)In fact, I figure that CCPM owes me some money from my 4th year. You decide. I "externed" at Tucson General Hospital for one month with a classmate (who I like and do not hold a grudge). Apparently, unbeknownst to me, he had grown up in Tucson and knew the residency director quite well (who ran the externship). Anyway, I knew that nepotism was a way of life so while that part of it discouraged me, it didn't mean that I couldn't get a good month of podiatry experience. Or did it? This director did not allow us to see any of his patients in his office for starters. This left the O.R. After a couple of days of no activity (I was told to call the office every day to see if there was any surgery to observe...God forbid I scrub in), I was told that there would be a DO orthopod doing a hip replacement at the hospital. Ok, I went, stood in the corner and watched. That was it. I never did another medically related thing the rest of the month. I got so desperate that I started to call random DPM's in the phone book and found one that allowed me to observe a fasciotomy. When I went across town to see that one, it was cancelled. I calculated that it cost me about $1800 for that month. This kind of reprehensible, irresponible behavior would never, ever happen at a DO or MD school. I had another month at Anaheim General Hospital that wasn't much different. Again, the director did not allow students to see his patients and, since he forgot to renew his hospital priveleges prior to my coming there, had nowhere to do any surgeries. You might think I'm kidding, but I'm not. I spent two weeks driving back and forth from L.A. to Anaheim (about 45 minutes each way) a couple of times each week and followed this guy while he did house calls. Of course, he took me on the house calls so I could cut 1/2 of the nails. The other two weeks was at a DPM's office in a scary part of Orange County where all I did was watch her treat her patients with the most basic of podiatry. She also had a nasty disposition and wasn't much of a teacher. So, the way I see it, CCPM owes me at least $3600. I'll overlook the physiology course which was taught by someone who had never taught anything in his life and had absolutely no credentials to be teaching physiology. He had a PhD in neurobiology, but knew nothing about basic human physiology. It was an utter waste of time and the beginning of many embarassing educational moments for me. from IP address 63.206.143.81 |
wow!by (no login)Wow!! I entered Podiatry jobs into my search engine and somehow arrived at the Podiatry Forum. The entries grabbed my attention for hours and I would like to address some of the frustrations I see from my perspective. I formerly practiced podiatry in Mississippi, having graduated from scholl in 1987. After two years of training( 2 one year programs) I entered private practice and enjoyed what I thought was great success. I was the only podiatrist for a draw area of some 400,000 people and from day one I was seeing 2,500 new patients a year. Seventy percent of them had good private health insurance and I remember that in my fourth month of practice I deposited over $35,000 into my bank account. Then Bill Clinton became president. Hell, I even voted for the weasel. In 1993, my practice, which had been growing at a rate of 40% a year in gross receipts shrank. Actually only by about $2,000. But I knew that bad times were ahead and I pretty quickly decided to sell my practice and go to med school. The idiot who boought my practice now has a 99% medicare practice and I'm sure business is a struggle. I call him an idiot only because for one tenth what he paid me he could have opened cold and done just as well in a matter of months. I wan't to address a few concerns that I see in the postings here. 1. The idea that podiatrists are the preeminent providers of foot healthcare. This is pure propaganda. You do represent a unique combination of skills. However, your lack of training and knowledge in medicine hinders you from ever reaching the position you claim to have. Orthopedic surgeons, vascular surgeons and Dermatologists are all better equipped to treat the maladies you see commonly. I'm not saying you don't do things well. Consider this, I'm an Anesthesiologist now and I have worked with both orthopods and pods on cases and I find the pods to be embarrasingly ignorant of what they are doing. The circulating nurse in the OR knows more medicine. I was amazed on the other hand to hear orthopedic surgery residents discuss the variations in vascular supply to the first intermetatarsal space while they were dong a case. These orthopedists are well trained. 2. Podiatric education is not on par with allopathic education. Had I entered my examinations in med school with the same degree of knowledge that I did in pod school I would never have passed a single examination. Not one. Clinical education in pod school was mostly corns and calluses. At the time of graduation no podiatrist is qualified to do anything more than nonsurgical care. An orthopedic residency is five years of intense work which prepares the surgeon well to perform all types of surgery including foot surgery. I sincerely doubt that any resident in podiatry does anywhere near the wwork that the orthopod resident does. 3. Podiatry has never been the best provider of foot surgery and never will be. The future of podiatry is routine foot care that many of you seem to find beneath yourselves. It's the one niche in healthcare that is yours and that you excel at. Friends of mine in Podiatry seem to think that if you do a 24 month residency your life and career will be made. I completely disagree. You do the residency and you still will be the hampered by the lack of training that all podiatrists suffer from. You simply are not physicians. Don't be suprised when you are treated like you are not by anyone. By insurance companies, by society, by medicine. 4. Many of you complain about the affects medicare has on your practices. That happens to all providers, not just you. Nephrologists have practices that are 100% medicare. 5. I have never heard any M.D. say anything bad about Podiatry. It's all positive. They don't hate you I'll have more to say later. I need to get back to work. This letter is mostly jumbled and I haven't really said what I wanted. You are what you are. Don't bitterly compare yourselves to M.D.s. Don't lie to yourselves about your prifessions past. You descend from chiropodistts. They didn't have some great monopoly on footcare that has somehow been lost. Your education both in college and residency is dismal compared to medicine. from IP address 207.115.175.244 |
Economic Credentialing VS "your right"by R Wilner, DPM (no login)South Dakota hospitals can choose which physicians get privileges, state Supreme Court rules The state's highest court says hospitals don't have to extend privileges to every qualified physician; organized medicine says limitations ultimately hurt doctors and patients. By Tanya Albert, AMNews staff. Feb. 5, 2001. Additional information -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just because a doctor is medically qualified to practice in a hospital doesn't mean administrators have to open their doors to that physician, the South Dakota Supreme Court said in a January ruling. Hospitals have the right to limit the number of specialists to whom they'll extend privileges so they can ensure economic survival, the court said. And the medical facility can make the decision without looking at a particular doctor's credentials or abilities. The American Hospital Assn. says the ruling lets its members make the decisions needed to keep hospitals solvent and provide the best care to the community. But the American Medical Assn. says the ruling makes it difficult for doctors to practice in a given community and limits patients' access to quality medical care. Both sides filed briefs in the South Dakota case, which they believe will have statewide and nationwide implications. It is one form of a nationwide trend of hospitals' denying privileges based on economic reasons rather than qualifications. "Hospital boards have a responsibility to meet the needs of their community, and the court said they have the authority to make those decisions," said Maureen Mudron, Washington, D.C., counsel for the American Hospital Assn. "It's a huge inconvenience for a physician to try to practice in the community and it may put patients at risk," said Randolph D. Smoak Jr., MD, president of the AMA and a South Carolina surgeon. It is particularly worrisome in rural areas where there is only one hospital serving a large geographic area. If a physician can't practice at the only hospital in the community, doctors may be forced to practice in other communities where they can get hospital privileges, Dr. Smoak said. As a result, patients have fewer health care options. Economic credentialing Tying hospital privileges to economic factors can take on several forms. For example, some hospitals have said physicians will be granted privileges only if they agree not to have privileges at any other area hospitals. Other hospitals have said privileges are contingent on the doctor's using the hospital for a certain percentage of his or her needs. Avera St. Luke's Hospital -- the only hospital in a 90-mile radius -- closed its medical staff to doctors applying for orthopedic surgery privileges after a group of doctors built a new outpatient surgery center, Orthopedic Surgery Specialists. None of the doctors who had privileges lost them. But the hospital denied privileges to a new orthopedic surgeon with the Orthopedic Surgery Specialists. The doctors said the hospital closed the staff as punishment for building the outpatient center. The hospital said it closed the staff for economic reasons. In the first seven months that the Orthopedic Surgery Specialists' surgery center was open, the hospital lost 1,000 hours in operating room usage and the revenue that goes along with it, according to the documents. The hospital board of directors decided credentialing more orthopedic surgeons in such a small community would hurt the nonprofit hospital's chances of survival. With too many doctors performing spinal procedures in Aberdeen, the hospital wouldn't be able to recruit its own neurosurgeons, according to court documents. Neurosurgeons in small communities often supplement their practices by performing back and spine surgeries. And if the hospital failed and had to cut back services, that would hurt the community of about 25,000, the hospital said. The physicians said the hospital doesn't have the right to deny privileges without even looking at the qualifications of the doctor who's applying, and they said the hospital violated its bylaws when it decided to close privileges for all orthopedic surgeons. A lower court agreed with Orthopedic Surgery Specialists that the hospital should have to extend privileges. But the South Dakota Supreme Court sided with the hospital. "The board specifically determined that the staff closures were in the Aberdeen community's best interests and were necessary to ensure 24-hour neurosurgical coverage for the Aberdeen area," the justices wrote. Medical societies say the hospital's rationale for denying privileges is wrong. "Hospitals shouldn't be allowed to close staff privileges," Dr. Smoak said. "The staff should be open to all physicians who are qualified." The AMA last year adopted a policy against hospitals' using economic criteria unrelated to quality of care or professional competency to decide whether a physician should be given staff privileges, a practice commonly called economic credentialing. Also last year, the AMA asked the Dept. of Health and Human Services' Office of Inspector General to look at exclusive credentialing and to issue a fraud alert warning hospitals and physicians about the practice. Exclusive credentialing takes the focus off what's best for the patient, the AMA said, and therefore is among the most flagrant types of kickbacks. In South Dakota, physicians say the next step is to ask state legislators to pass a law barring hospitals from making staff privilege decisions based on economic reasons. "If there are quality factors that need to be considered, we don't have a problem with that," said L. Paul Jensen, CEO of the South Dakota State Medical Assn. "We don't feel [economic reasons] are appropriate criteria to make that decision." Back to top. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ADDITIONAL INFORMATION: Case at a glance Drs. John Mahan, James MacDougall, Michael Holte, Chester Mayo, Matthew Reynen, and Donald Frisco, individuals, and residents of Aberdeen, S.D., and Orthopedic Surgery Specialists, LTD v. Avera St. Luke's, a South Dakota nonprofit community hospital Venue: South Dakota Supreme Court At issue: Can a hospital deny a doctor the right to practice in the hospital if he or she is medically qualified to do so? Ruling: Yes, the court said. Just because someone is medically qualified to practice in a hospital doesn't mean hospital executives have to give that physician privileges. Hospitals are allowed to make decisions that ensure economic survival; the court said that was the case here. Potential impact: Organized medicine worries that decisions based on a hospital's bottom line limit a patient's access to quality medical care and hurt the doctor-patient relationship. Back to top. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright 2001 American Medical Association. All rights reserved. from IP address 67.25.9.158 |
wow!by c m ashby (no login)wow! I entered podiatry jobs into a search engine and stumbled upon this site. And spent the last few hours reading the gutwrenching, bitter, sarcastic postings. I graduated from the Chicago school in 1987. After two years of postgraduate training I pursued private practice in the south. My practice prospered. I was seeing around 2500(two thousand five hundred) new patients a year. In my third month of practice I deposited over $35,000 and so was on my way to what I thought would be a productive career. My practice was growing by 40% a year. I was the only Podiatrist for 400,000 people in a 50 mile radius. (Mississippi) Then Bill Clinton became President. Hell, I voted for the guy. That next year, my gross revenues declined. They actually only declined by a few thousand dollars, but the growth was over, and that got my attention. I immediately decided to apply to Medical School. I sold my practice to an unlucky gentleman from the north who was looking for an escape from an area overpopulated with podiatrists. I call him unlucky because he could have started his own practice 25 miles to the west for 10% of what he paid me and in three or four months been just as well off. The point is I knew I was in a situation which was going to worsen. And the practice I sold which had been over 70% private insurance and heavily surgical(in my last 12 months I performed permanent nails {11750} on 750 patients and hammertoe operations on 180) has gone to weed. It's 99% medicare, and I imagine a very difficult financial situation for the purchaser. I write to give my opinions on Podiatry and Medicine. First, I have never heard an M.D. say anything derogatory about Podiatry. When I was a practicing Footdoc I always felt as if they looked down on me or had little respect for me. They were always nice to me but I still felt like a black man in Selma AL circa 1966. My perspective now is that was my mistaken perception. Podiatry has the appropriate respect from organized medicine, it's feelings of inferiority-your feelings of inferiority-are your problem, not Medicines. All branches of healthcare are suffering today. Podiatry perhaps more than most because you are a small fractious community. If you dissapeared you would be missed, but society would go on. In fact, it is incorrect for you all to assume that you are the best providers of certain services. As an Anesthesiologist, I have the opportunity to watch both orthopods and podiatrists in action and I have to say that your ignorance is sometimes painful and always embarassing to watch. You simply don't know anything about medicine. An R.N. seems to understand more about general medicine than a podiatrist. That is a situation that needs to change. Orthopedic surgeons seem to do an excellent job with foot surgery. Many podiatrists practicing simply don't have the training to perform bone surgery. Podiatrists lack the basis to treat for instance a postoperative wound infection as well as an M.D. Changing Podiatric education is the key. My education in podiatry does not even approach my training as an M.D. If I had entered my med school examinations with the same degree of preparation as in podiatry school I would never have passed a single examination. Not one. Iwould have flunked out my first semester. In fact when I was in medical school I used to think that my podiatry studies for the same topics would have yielded me about a 35% . And that isn't passing. Clinical education in podiatry needs to upgrade. I was basically taught how to treat corns, calluses, and thickened toenails at Scholl. Nothing more. You should forget all that until residency and do rotations in Allopathic medicine. Treat patients with pancreatitis and ketoacidosis and lung cancer and acut asthma and chest pain and etc. and then, after pod school, concentrate on the foot. This would be difficult for the colleges to develop. The future of Podiatry is not foot surgery. That will certainly be taken from by Orthopedists and Insurance Ccompanies. The future of Podiatry is what the schools teach best--routine care care and orthotics. Podiatrists are too caught up in competition with allopathic physicians. And you won't win that competition. You refer to pod schools as if they were med schools. they aren't. so what? You claim to be the best source of expertise on the foot. And you know a lot. But, you don't know as much, as a whole, as a dermatologist or an orthopedist or an internist and you never will. Friends of mine in Podiatry say that the multi year surgical residency is the key to acceptance, the key to success and recognition. I think they are wrong. I've been reviewing today the saga of Brian Gale and the North Dakota Board. I don't know but it seems entirly feasible to me that he thought he was some super hotshot of a surgeon and that in reality he was just in over his head. And I may be entirely wrong about that, but I know this, that no matter how long of a residency he did in podiatry, and how many fancy surgeries he does, he still doesn't know what he needs to know to fully and completely offer surgical services to his patients. from IP address 209.183.88.76 |
Brian Gale a "Hot Shot"?by R Willner, DPM (no login)Brian Gale some kind of a "Hot Shot"? And that is the reason why he got into trouble with the North Dakota Board of Podiatric Medicine? No way. No f-in way. Read the www.brianGale.com site. It is very well done although the last few months are not recorded. from IP address 67.25.9.210 |
Do you practice in Mississippi now?by Anonymous (no login)Do you practice anesthesiology in mississippi? Just curious! I briefly investigated practicing podiatry in Mississippi but changed my mind after visiting and speaking to a few podiatrists in Jackson and one in Biloxi(sp?) I was left with the impression that hospital priveledges were going to be a problem(despite my 3 years of training) I was left with many impressions of the podiatrists integration into the healthcare system or lack there of. I am not a trailblazer so I ended up Central florida where podiatrists already are a fully functional part of the healthcare team and where I could do what I was trained to do during my residency. My anesthesiologist(in a social setting not at the surgery center) has told me stories of when a certain orthopod performs(loose term in this situation) a bunionectomy and other foot cases. He says he cringes. The other 2 orthopods don't even try to do foot and ankle cases and the one orthopod who refers cases to me says he would be bordering on malparactice if he did do theses cases since he has hardly ever performed them in his early practice days. Prospective students and current residents should keep be aware that perceptions of podiatrists vary by area. Although MD do not hate podiatrist in some parts of the country they are not respected for their abilities and some think they should stick with corns and calluses. Many of your opinions I don't agree with. Managing a post-operative infection is one of the easiest situations in which I handle. I don't compare myself to a MD I am a podiatrist. I know my place in the scheme of the management of the patient and I am satisfied with this. Recently I had a patient with pyoderma gangrenosum secondary to crohn's. She had a secondary infection which required hospitilization. I consulted internal medicine( at my hospital we admit than consult for medical management) My point is although I didn't manage the GI pathology which was responsible for the ulcer I did diagnosis the condition based on the appearance of ulcer and and the ROS(which is my job) The MD than managed the underlying medical problem while I address the ulcer with local surgical debridements. Would an orthopod, vascular surgeon, or dermatologist who may have been in the same position as me manage the crohn's? In fact the internist even had a GI specialist see the patient for his recommendations! Podiatrists who are well trained do have the necessary medical knowledge to manage patients in the appropriate manner. I have just opened a can of worms because the training in podiatry is a problem it is not consistent. If there was a training program in Mississippi would that podiatrist get the same training as they would if they did their training in Florida? Of course not. It's a problem-that I hope we can rectify. A fas a Brian Gale, unless you have had his training how would you know what he knows and what he doesn't know. Although I do agree with you in the sense something is not right in that situation. You would think that the orhtopods and other podiatrist would love him for his abilities and want him to take on complex cases they don't feel comfortable handling. Why are they so mad at him? Was he doing cases that were not necessary or considered too risky given the patient's overall condition? I don't know we can only speculate. from IP address 24.92.209.33 |
responseby cma (no login)So You talked to some pods in Jackson and Biloxi that were less than encouraging. I don't know how to interpret that. First of all I think you could obtain the privileges you would need at a surgery center. I believe others have. I think that with your training you would do well there. My recommendation would be to locate in Jackson and visit small community hospitals (like in louisville, Kocsiousko, yazoo city, etc.) With weekly clinics at these small hospitals. The great advantage to being there is illustrated by the OIG investigation of improper or fraudulent billing. If you tell a patient tomorrow that her services are not covered by Medicare, then next month she will find a pod who will tell her that they are. And it might look pretty good in the podiatry records but have little to do with her actual pathology. These investigations by the OIG are not necessarily about having the correct documentation in the records. They may be a judgement about the value of the records themselves. I think there is a lot of fraudulent billing in Podiatry. In Mississippi, you tell that patient that her services are not covered, and she will be back. Because going elsewhere might involve driving 125 miles each way instead of the 65 miles each way she is traveling to see you. So there is little pressure from competition there. In spite of this MS does have some history of Medicare fraud. I was seeing about 20 -25 "routine foot care" patients a day and charged them all cash and only a handful a week met the criteria for coverage. Had I practiced in Chicago, I would not have had this retention of patients. They would have found someone who would commit fraud. I can't offer an opinion on Insurance issues in MS, I would guess that FLA pods have better political ties than MS pods. from IP address 209.183.88.119 |
What is the latest on Dr Brian Gale?by (no login)What is the latest on Dr Gale? I went to a CME and his name came up often. from IP address 67.24.13.15 |
Untitledby R Wilner, DPM (no login)From an article on the Navada's Malpractice problem: Other states also have 300%- 400% increases in Malpractice insurance if a carrier could be found. "Nevada's problems began in December, when the company that had insured 60 percent of the state's doctors began canceling its malpractice policies. "Facing losses of nearly $1 billion, Minnesota-based St. Paul Cos. said it was getting out of the malpractice insurance business worldwide. Other companies also pulled out of Nevada, citing the high cost of settling malpractice claims in a state with no cap on jury awards. ======================= My question to the Doctor's is: What would you do if and when this Malpractice crisis affects Podiatry? Or is the answer that "it can not happen to podiatry?" The reason why this is brought up is that like the Coal Miners in PA, magic things can happen when people work together for the common good. Will this ever happen in Podiatry? from IP address 63.188.233.92 |
Job opportunityby Pod Advocate (no login)Wanted: PPMR trained DPM who is looking for an excellent practice opportunity. No surgical training required but a bonus. Must have excellent foundation in biomechanics and be able to treat all podiatric pathology through non surgical means. The succesful candidate will have a gregarious personality and be able to work as part of a multidisciplinary team treating various types of podiatric patients. Starting salary is $110,000 including full health insurance, 401 K, malpractice, vacation, and student loan repayment. Full partnership possibel within three years. Salary potential to $300,000. Call is 1:10. There are three area hospitals with full admitting privledges available. This is a great opportunity for the new PPMR graduate or PSR-12 graduate who is looking for the "better things in life". Live the podiatric lifestyle. Call us at 1-800-FOR-FEET for details on this excellent opportunity. Well, OK we can dream can't we. I think I am coming down with some sort of fungal encepahilitis from the inhaled nail dust...I just can't stop with the podiatric hallucinations. Olllie from IP address 204.186.217.33 |
Oliver, now really......by Justin (no login)I think that I detect a serious case of a projection dilusion fantasy disorder (Didnt learn that in pod school) Ollie is so busy with triples, his golf game, his 400K, his Lexus, his playmate, that he has not had a check-in with reality for the last decade. Did you have any friends growing up? from IP address 12.72.136.109 |
Help me, please.by R Wilner, DPM (no login)Dear Doctors and Students: In the 22 years since I graduated Podiatry School, I have seen very big changes in the "healthcare delivery system". That is, the ownership and control has passed from the Doctors to Corporations, very large hospital chains, Managed care, and mega-insurance companies. I wish to ask your collective help in telling me, rather than ignoring me, how Podiatry would change as a profession if and when Mediare cuts fees by 20 percent. Now, there are 3 choices: 1. Medicine will stay the way it is for the next 20 years, or 2. Medicine will get better, the fees will increase, and Medicare will fund Podiatry even greater than they do now. Medicare will decrease fees for procedures above the foot as they realize that the foot is more important... or 3. Medicare will decrease Podiatry fees. Please tell me what is most probable? The value of a Podiatry Degree if the reinbursements are dependent on a massive governmental program that our little profession has no control over? ( If anyone thinks the APMA has significant influence on Capital Hill, think again. Only 2 things are important: votes and money. We have a small profession and the $1000 contribution to a Senator in a token one. ) from IP address 67.24.12.165 |
A day in the life of a podiatric "surgeon"- (LONG)by Pod Advocate (no login)Even though many of you feel that a life in podiatric medicine is equivalent to rearranging chairs on the Titanic I will try and give those newbies and pod students that want hope...HOPE. I want you all to know that going into podiatry is a big commitment in terms of importance and patient care. You are a part of a high end medical specialty that is of paramount importance in the cog wheel of medicine. I will chronicle a day in my life as a podiatric "surgeon". 6:00-7:30 am: Wake, go for a 5 mile jog (6:40 miles), shower, read the wall street journal over egg whites and oatmeal (no coffee). 7:30-8:00 am: travel to work (in Lexus leased through my office), chat with partners over new consults and the surgery list. Call answering service. 8:00 am-11 am: See mostly office patients (99% post op visits NO C&C or primary podiatric care)). I am harried by my office manager about the need to cut back on surgical volume as we are booked through december with triples, total reconstruction cases as well as diabetic amputations, etc.. we are having to turn down surgical candidates. 11am-11:30 am: Sit with drug rep to hear the newest spiel on Cox-2 inhibitors (Bextra...yawn). Get 2 tickets for the Knicks for my time. Open mail, YES...my manuscript to the Journal of Orthopaedic surgery has been accepted for publication...BooYAA!!! 11:30-12:30 am: Travel to medical center for afternoon surgery (have 4 cases on the docket). Quick hospital lunch with the surgical staff to decide on admitting privlidges for new pods and orthos (we will now require all orthopods who want to do any foot or ankle surgery a 6 month temp license while being supervised by a DPM) I think it is paramount that we as master of the foot and ankle supervise those who don't have the requisite training. A quick interview with 2 podiatry residency candidates. Hhhm, some good applicants today. A gentleman who is ranked 4th in his class with great letters and great externship evals. And another chap who had failed 2 classes, is ranked in the bottom quarter...Well, I do know the chap with failing grades uncle (we did residency together), but fair is fair we have to take the better candidate..all his hard work should be rewarded with a spot in our program....Decison decisons decisons.... 12:30-4:15 pm: Surgery, Surgery, Surgery. 4:15-5 pm: Phone call from orthopod for a consult on one of his dear patients (I guess I have time). They better have grade A insurance. 5 pm- 6 pm: Back to office for paperwork, message from another health insurance company asking if I would please consider joining their panel of podiatric surgical specialists...Do I have time for this? Quick call to my broker to check on my stocks (made a cool 12 G's today). Check email--hmm, my old roomate who CHOSE to do a PPMR is doing great, he works 4 days a week and does alot of biomechanics and orthotics. He really seems to be doing well with the diabetic population. He gets consults daily from endocrinologists and vascualr surgeons. Good for him. I am so happy that he is enjoying the podiatry "family life". The baby boomers and physical fitness fanatics are allowing him to buy a third vacation home. 6pm-7pm: Driving range for work on long game, we have a hospital (surgical only) golfing tournament that I am chair of. 7pm: BEEPERS SOUNDS OFF...emergency department consult from the OR- major MVA, they need an immediate surgical consult on major damage to a 19 yos lower extremity (read: ankle). 7;15-10:30pm- OR to "totally reconstruct" (I couldn't help but use that word in honor of the nuclear reconstructionist) this young womans ankle joint. 10:30-11pm- quick hospital rounds to check on my post op pts--all doing well- NO COMPLICATIONS. 11-11:30pm- Watch sports center and talk to model wife while lounging in my jacuzzi. 1130pm - pager sounds off- orthopod thanking me for 5pm consult, would like opinion on another case. 1145pm -Sleep, pager is turned OFF For all of you who are embarking on a career in podiatric surgery just realize that the propoganda about easy money is NOT all true. YES, you will make $400,000 (plus) your first year out, and YES you will do surgery every day, YOU will NOT have to trim calluses, or burr down a mycotic nail while wearing a face mask as to not inhale any fungal spores IF YOU DON'T CHOOSE TO. Nursing home care it strictly optional, and if you choose to do it, it is professionaly rewarding and financially lucrative. You will be a respected member of the surgical community, and be courted by insurance companies to join their surgical panels. You will need to unforunately turn down the "baby boomers and weeked atheltc warriors" because you just won't have time on your surgical docket for all of those who demand your services. You will have to work hard though. Thankfully medicare continues to increase their payment to podiatry inspite of other specialty cutbacks, Practices like "Beeper Mommy" who earn 250,000 plus only working 2 half days a week are hard to come by, but yes they are still very possible...probably in the underserved areas. Many are called,,,FEW ARE CHOSEN.............cherish your days as a podiatric surgical specialist. OLiver (ollie for short) from IP address 204.186.217.33 |
Re: A day in the life of a podiatric "surgeon"- (LONG)by Anonymous (no login)Dear Podiatric Surgeon, Sounds like a typical, but routine day for a Podiatrist. But, I have a few concerns: 1. Are you able to trade in that Lexus? At the last Podiatry CME, I have seen more Jags, Porsches and even one Hummer. 2. You neglected to inform us when you make time to read a journal-- not a Medical Journal but the Wall Street Journal. 3. This past week the Markets were quite active. Did you take the call from your Brokers are are they delagated? 4. 11-11:30pm- Watch sports center and talk to model wife while lounging in my jacuzzi. My question is, how did you find your Model Wife to like Sports Center? Heck, that is certainly a keeper!! from IP address 63.188.233.92 |
Re: Re: A day in the life of a podiatric "surgeon"- (LONG)by Ollie (no login)Anonymous: Please look at what I do after my 5 mile run: "6:00-7:30 am: Wake, go for a 5 mile jog (6:40 miles), shower, read the wall street journal over egg whites and oatmeal (no coffee)." I also don't think a jag is worth it right now. My lexus does me just fine. By the way I got my model wife when I was working in my surgery rotation (rotating through plastic surgery) and she was in for a breast augmentation procedure. Ollie from IP address 204.186.217.33 |
A day in the life of a podiatric studentby Black Snake Whip (no login)My diary...it all ended too quickly. I guess I couldn't be a podiatry student forever... First Day: Ahhh...my good friend Dr. Ollie, with his ample connections and clout at the prestigious podiatric medical school that I had always dreamed of attending has just written the most thought provoking, passionate and forceful letter of recommendation that I've ever seen. I know that I could have used this letter to enter any medical school of my choice (owing to my 4.0 GPA, my 43V on the MCAT and the immeasurable respect that podiatry commands at all medical schools). I decided, like so many before me, to do the smart thing and enter podiatry school. You know, the hours are great, the lifestyle is unmatched and you can even do surgery! Goodbye Stanford Medical School! See ya UCSF! I just got into the best medical school this side of Uranus. I'm goin' to the California Institute of Podiatry....or...the Golden State School of Mycotic...of...well....all I know is that it's affiliated with one of the best, if not THE best, vocational colleges in the Western Hemisphere. AND I GOT ACCEPTED!!!! 1st year: Wow! Those first year courses were sure challenging, particularly when a lot of them were taught by people who never taught a class before. I guess they did that so we'd try extra hard. Good thing I was a science tutor in college or I NEVER would have gotten through physiology! I have to say, though, the best part of the first year was going down to the bars and waiting for the chickies to ask me what I did. I felt so proud to say, "I'm a MEDICAL student"! They'd ask, "UCSF?" "Stanford"?. I'd say (with modesty, mind you) "Nope". "I go to the East Bay School of...I mean...the Associated Podiatry Surgical Ankle Fusion..." "Ahh, heck. I'm a foot doctor student"! Man! Did they ever respect me then! It was like shooting fish in a barrel! I'm tellin' ya, as soon as you let the cat out of the bag and let them know that you're going to be a podiatrist....well, I don't need to tell you! Chicks dig foot guys. Summer Break: Volunteered at the homeless shelter and cut about 75-80 pounds of gryphotic fungal debris. Whew! That sure works up a sweat! It was so rewarding to know that these guys could now walk the streets with impunity (and a mild stench). It also felt good to know that I was training to be the #1 specialist in toenail cutting. I was thinking that I couldn't wait to get more training and, eventually, get one of those "double action" nail cutters. Man, that would be sweet! That'd be few years off, yet... While I sat on a chair in the corner of the homeless center with this filthy homeless guy's foot (I mean, sweet, innocent homeless person's foot) on my thigh, I peeked over at the poor slobs who were 1st years at UCSF. God, how I pitied them! I couldn't help but think that they were getting shafted on their education as I was learning so much about my future specialty at such a rapid pace! And so early, too! They didn't even know what kind of doctor they wanted to be! Man, I would hate that kind of situation where you would go through medical school without a clue as to what you were going to end up doing. Oh well, I guess they didn't know about the podiatry option. Their loss. Made me feel so good that I decided to forego MD school! 2nd year: More classes! And some of these were taught by former students at the school who were now DPM's! Talk about relevant! It's great to have that perspective on immunology and infectious disease from an actual foot doctor! We even had several lectures on dermatology from a DPM. Who would know more about dermatology on the foot and ankle than a DPM? Oh, and we also began to see patients! I can say that my tuition was well spent. I saw about 1 or 2 patients a week, but every one of them (well, both of them) had either really thick calluses or really thick toenails! And, sometimes I even got to cut them on my own!!! Once, I had a guy who had a diabetic ulcer. Everyone was knocking down my door to get their stabs in! That was great. That one diabetic ulcer lasted me the whole year. 2nd Summer Break: Partied. Found more chickies who ogled me after hearing of my "medical student" status. This time I left out the podiatry part because I couldn't keep up with the ones from the first year!! 3rd year: More classes! Those poor saps at Stanford and UCSF are losing sleep rotating through hospitals and even staying over night on call! Hah!! Their brains are so scrambled with all of those diseases, modalities of treatment, constant shifting of body areas and organ systems! As a podiatry student, it isn't necessary for me to do these crazy things. I did have to stay overnight twice during my "surgical rotation", but it wasn't too bad. I didn't get to acutually DO any surgery, but I did get to sleep in a bed with the awesome responsibility of having to call the resident on call should the patient need anything like a Tylenol or sleep aid. I also got to go to a nearby hospital during my 3rd year and cut more nails. I'm tellin' ya, by the time I finish my 3rd year, I think I'm going to be at least half way there on the nail cutting proficiency!! Oops! I almost forgot! I "rotated" through a hospital with an internal medicine resident who told us every thing he knew about the 2 patients he had in 15 minutes. We got to do this 4 times! Awesome! After that, I thought, "that's enough internal medicine for me!" Summer Break: More chickies!! 4th year: Well, I got to go on some cool externships. I actually got to choose some of them. I did luck out and got to do 8 months of podiatry (ingrown nails were now added!). The other 4 months were OK. It wasn't podiatry, but I did get to observe some other students and residents do their kind of medicine. I just don't get it! Why don't more people know about podiatry? The foot's the best part of the body and I know the more time I can spend pondering the foot and ankle, the better podiatrist I'll be. GRADUATION! My school worked so hard to put us through our didactic and clinical portions that they didn't have enough money to have a junior dinner or much of a graduation. They did think enough to buy us some really cool doctor bags that had our names etched on them! Come to think of it, we did pay for those...oh well, it'll be cool to carry it around to show the chickies. Graduation was held in a building that was sort of cool. The best part was the excellent middle school band who played all kinds of inspirational music. I guess the school REALLY spent our money on our fantastic educations! Residency awaits! from IP address 64.167.78.67 |
residecy awaitsby wow (no login)Wow, The best part was the middle schools band playing inspirational music, Pure classic podiatry satire, I suggest this one be put in the classics bin WOW from IP address 205.188.208.42 |
day in life of podiatry studentby Alan Blankenship (no login)Wow. I almost fell off my seat from the remark about middle school band accompaniant at podiatry school "graduation." Good luck to all, although this message is meant to amuse it is very truthful (albeit painful) in numerous respects. from IP address 134.174.157.48 |
Funny!by Anomalous (no login)You are da man, Ollie! Black Snake was funny, but your's was DAMN funny!! Ironically, these parodies of podiatry make it more tolerable. from IP address 63.203.101.19 |
Help me draw the lineby Trey Anastasio (no login)I question myself as to whether or not I should pose this question here, but here it goes...I am a 2002 graduate at an excellent PPMR linked to a PSR-24+, unfortunately, the rest of my training will be in Texas and not here. When I say "unfortunately", I mean that I am not exactly rotating with foot and ankle specialists. I'm on gen sx this month and have had to do consults on many nursing home pts in house. Two of them have had minimal decub ulcers due to contractures. I'll focus on one. She has a medial 1st MPJ decub that is clinically osteo (probes to bone, yadda yadda). OK, should you do a partial ray amp or BKA due to the fact that she is bedridden? She has 2/4 pulses and trans were >40. She will not walk again, and does not need her leg, as I was told. How do you side though? Salvage or BKA? from IP address 209.244.89.115 |
lopee, lopee, 1 toe at a timeby salvage vs bka (no login)Honey, You are a PODIATRIST. If you read this site long enough you'll see that the pay sucks. Definitely, salvage. You get paid for 1 toe at a time. Once that leg is gone, there goes your paycheck. Hope this message was helpful. Good luck in residency. from IP address 152.163.213.56 |
I hope you are not seriousby Anonymous (no login)Any one who would even consider planning treatment of a patient based on economics should have their license revoked. If you are joking or being sarcastic that was real sick joke. What if that patient your talking about "lopee, lopee 1 toe at a time" was your mother? from IP address 24.92.209.33 |
A bit naiveby Anonymous 2 (no login)More medical decisions are partly based on economics than you might like to imagine, anonymous. Very, very few physicians will put their patients at risk just to make extra money. THAT's unethical. But, there are decisions made every day that are based at least partially on economics. Podiatrists who recommend custom orthotics even though the pre-fabs were doing the job. Podiatrists putting patients into expensive custom orthotics before giving other modalities of treatment (such as stretching, ice, NSAID's, etc for plantar fasciitis) a shot. Podiatrists doing a nail avulsion with no signs of purulence, yet billing it as an I&D. Podiatrist debriding a benign keratoma and billing it as an IPK. Podiatrists will do a procedure on one day and bill it as "x" then see the patient on a follow up and do some sort of minor chip/clip and call it diagnosis "y". Dermatologists who opt for a more lucrative modality of treatment with no enhanced risk to the patient. FP's who order tests that are likely superfluous, but bring in extra money. Any physician ordering x-rays that may or may not be necessary. Any physician ordering blood tests that may or may not be reasonable or necessary. Unless you're really established and making a lot of money, a lot of it is about money. No offense, anonymous, but you must be a student or a former Eagle Scout turned podiatrist. from IP address 63.203.103.23 |
I was a girl scoutby Anonymous (no login)The examples you give I agree occurs., I saw it first hand during my residency. I will take x-rays once in a while even though I am 99% certain I will not see anything sigificant. As far as the rest of your examples I do not do. I diagnosis, treat all with the patient first in mind not my pocketbook(that will come and is coming) However, I still do not agree putting that poor women throught multiple painful procedures is the same as taking an extra x-ray once in a while. You say it is unethical for physicians to put patients at risk for extra money well I say it is also unethical to put patients through extra pain or unnecessary pain for money. I always have in the back of mind when treating patients"what would I do if this patient was my mother" It keeps me out of trouble and I can sleep at night. from IP address 24.92.209.33 |
Sorry, Girl Scout!by Anonymous 2 (no login)Sorry about that! I agree with you that every thing I listed is unethical. I was trying to say that it happens all of the time, but not the "lopee lopee" sort of stuff. Probably the most common example is with any doctor who can choose between more than one modality of treatment and almost always chooses the one that reimburses better. This is, of course, as long as it's no worse for the patient. For a podiatrist, foot x-rays aren't a big deal for the patient (though they do receive a very tiny dose). I think a lot of pods justify additional x-rays thinking that the dosage is so low that it won't affect the patient. Other instances with pods is if something is borderline billable then it'll get billed. from IP address 64.167.78.67 |
Re: Help me draw the lineby (no login)Good Case. Let me give you my opinions based on the limited information presented. The most important issue is that the treatment proticol will be decided by the General Surgeon. If it is his habit to do a BKA or other amputation, then that is what will happen. If he wants to start PO Abs and let her return to the NH, that is what he will do. If you are given the imput, you will decide to do aggressive wound care and the general surgeon will find that podiatrists can do wonders even when all hope is gone. Give it your best shot and you will be shocked at how good your treatment is with respect to the patient's healing. Podiatrists are good-- DAMN GOOD. The most important thing every doctor learns is "Judgement". It comes with experience and with humility. You are part of the BEST generation of Podiatrists. Thank you for your post. It is a welcome change from the norm. Richard PS If you need a "curbside consult" and want to talk to the very best, give Brian Gale a call at the office at 701-255-3338 or at home 701-223-8841. from IP address 67.25.8.3 |
More questionsby (no login)1.Why does a bedridden patient have a decub ulcer on the medial 1st MPJ? 2. What is the patient's mental status, is she lucid, does she want the amputation, is it likely to affect her mental well-being? 3.Have ABX already been tried? If not, there is really no justification for the BK or even a digital amp. The vascular status doesn't warrant it. The argument that the patient 'doesn't need the limb because she is bedridden' is really irrelevant. First, it ignores the emotional/mental trauma that patients associate with a lost limb. Additionally, the patient is bedridden, therefore non weight-bearing with very good vascular flow. If you can cure the infection, her ulceration should heal. Lastly, compliance shouldn't be an issue while the patient is in house or in the nursing home, because staff should see that she gets her meds. I would argue that the principle of first do no harm is not being met unless abx treatment is first attempted. But that is just my opinion as someone who got into podiatry in hopes of saving a few limbs. from IP address 207.166.216.232 |
salvage!! but not for moneyby ted (no login)My practice in Toronto is basically all wounds.These people pay and the only reason I will advise major surgery eg BKA or AKA is for one of two reasons.Either uncontrollable pain or infection that wont respond to even IV antibiotics.The reason I got into wounds was to try and salvage as many limbs as possible provided it didn't compromise the quality of life of the patient. I am fortunate to work with vascular and infectious disease specialists who are of the same mind. Use all resources include all your wound training to treat this and you may be surprised what can be accomplished. Many of my patients are supposed to be hopeless-they are only hopeless if you dont know what to do or who to refer to. from IP address 64.228.42.179 |
Podiatry Rotationsby Alan Blankenship (no login)If you are on general surgery rotation that is a q2 to q3 call unless you are on the breast-onc service how do you have time or are permitted to see podiatry "consults" while on such a grueling rotation such as gen. surg? from IP address 134.174.157.48 |
Why the negativity?by Anomalous (no login)Simple. There are too many podiatrists who aren't respected, aren't making enough money and feel that their investment was poorly spent. In the end, it doesn't matter who or what is at fault. It just sucks. Why do they post on this forum? Because they're angry, bitter, feel like chumps and think that there's no way out. Very few of them post this stuff out of altruistic feelings. I don't think that they're really concerned with offering information that pre-podiatry students can use to be more informed. I think that most do it because it feels good. Think catharsis. Instead of everyone belittling one another and taking pot shots, we should include all discussion and aim for some kind of middle ground. The best thing that the "positive posters" can do is show the "negatives" that it isn't all bad. I've curbed my posts on several occasions because I read something that made me think. Often, I feel guilty after posting something that is strictly bad news and doesn't help anyone. Nobody would say it's all bad. You just have to realize that there are real people out there who did everything they could to position themselves to succeed (invested a lot of money, time, brain energy), but ended up on the **** end of things. Taking personal responsibility is kind of too late. It's a very bad situation for many and they wake up every day with the podiatry albatross hanging around their necks. My advice is to igore us and talk amongst yourselves. from IP address 64.167.78.67 |
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