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response to osteodogby a happy podiatrist (no login)hey "dog" I always like a good well thought out posting. What I see as the major problem with Podiatry today is the APMA. See some of my other posts which should be up around the same time as this one (as a side note, I think the moderators should get posts up sooner) In the highly populated areas there are many more podiatrist than are necessary, but they all seem to congregate in areas like LA, Florida, Ohio, Michigan, New York, etc. I don't practice in areas like this (although I did for a while) My research led me to areas which were more underserved and growing. There are approximately 2 million people in the general area where I live with less than 30 podiatrists. That is why I get derm referrals, orthopedic referrals, hospital referrals etc. Yes, I do see a rather large number of nursing facility residents as well. I do this by choice and not for the money. Believe it or not I generally enjoy these people. Something for which I could never be faulted. Unfortunately my time is becoming far too precious with other commitments, and I may have to reluctantly give a lot of the work up. "dog".....you know that there are far more new law schools cropping up every day, but truthfully how many new medical schools? FMG's are more prevalent than ever, and US schools are populated with foreigners since they don't fill their quotas with US citizens. You said that yourself. Why is that? I think we all know. BTW...yes I did have a sweetheart deal when I entered podiatry school, but things changed in my second year, and the deal was not to be. What I have done was done by myself, with personality, skills, and a lot of hard work. Not necessarily in that order. I am sorry your "residency' was not up to par, and unfortunately most are not, but if you really wanted training, you would have found a way to get it on your own, and made the necessary sacrifices as did many of us. Podiatry faces battles everyday, once again see my other posts on what I think about the APMA. In my opinion, as I have stated before, we have supreme court worthy issues here, and do little more than cry out for parity and an MD degree. Any civil rights lawyers read this board? Maybe you would like to make a name for yourself arguing a case before the supreme court. I know of one in my hometown with a pretty good reputation, perhaps I will give him a call in the forthcoming weeks. I think I will be long dead and buried before the APMA would try. APMA.....what's wrong with giving something a shot? There is no shame in losing. Look at every successful individual or corporation. What do they all have in common?.......just more failures than the average person, and take more risks. WAKE UP from IP address 207.200.116.204 |
Re: intelligent criticsby a happy podiatrist (no login)GREAAAAT post ( no spelling problem here ) I am happy with what I do, make a pretty decent living, did a one year residency since that was pretty much what was available back then, but went on to do a six month fellowship for which I was not paid in order to improve my surgical skills. True, we are underpaid, but that is the fault of our beloved APMA (which I am not a member, and have been referred to as a fringe practitioner). In this day and age with the ERA ammendment, a constitutional ammendment REQUIRING equal work for equal pay, why haven't these people actually made it their business to take the fee reimbursment differential between orthopods and podiatrists to the supreme court of the United States? COME ON GUYS WAKE UP. THIS IS AN ISSUE WORTHY OF THE HIGHEST COURT IN THE LAND. Stop sitting on your collective asses, and do something about it. Maybe then I will rejoin along with the vast majority of podiatrists in the United States. That being said.....I congratulate you on your passion, but be prepared to face some uphill battles. None of which can't be overcome. HArd work and perseverence will always pay off. THe best quote that I have ever heard is as follows: THE ONLY PLACE THAT SUCCESS COMES BEFORE WORK IS IN THE DICTIONARY! from IP address 207.200.116.204 |
Podiatrists and their inferiority complexby RD (no login)It is evident that podiatrists are a self-loathing and envious bunch. Why else would quasi-specialist nonphysicians be denegrading the professional worth of foreign M.D.'s and D.O.'s when at the end of the day, we all know podiatrist are at the very bottom rung of the medical hierarchy? Just be podiatrists and be proud. Accept the fact that you're dispensible foot docs who are not physcians by any stretch of imagination. RD from IP address 199.4.216.97 |
Take it easy, guys!by Trung Nguyen, DO (no login)Hey guys, Just ignore this guy. He's a troll. Osteodog is only a student anyway...what does he know? In the real world...MD, DO, DPM, DDS...we all work together on one team. And for any MDs or DOs out there that disrespect what you do, PLEASE do not think that they represent the whole profession. And on the defensive, you shouldn't stoop down to their level and put down MDs and DOs either. That's also not right. All I can say is, DOs and MDs respect podiatrists very much. We are all treated the same...as colleagues. Just take a look...so many podiatry residencies are at DO hospitals. We respect and work very well with DPMs. SO don't be discourage and let a few trouble makers stir you up. At my hospital, we work very well with DPMs. We are a team, and at the end of the day, we all answer to only one boss...THE PATIENTS. So, keep up the good work and ignore trolls on this forum...okay?!! Trung Nguyen, DO general surgery resident from IP address 68.249.9.60 |
Up, Up and Away! RD (AKA: Feetus Defeatus, strikes again.by Podiatrist (no login)I see RD is still lurking in the recesses of the internet ready to strike at the soul of Podiatrists everywhere.lol. Must be a slow day at the drive-thru. Keep up the crusade you defender of toes everywhere. The fight for foot freedom is a hard and thankless task. Don't give up, there's a place in the annals of pedal heros for you yet. lol. from IP address 143.104.182.133 |
Sulking?by RainedonToday (no login)Despite my few previous posts, I have TONS of respect for American and Canadian FMGs who decided not to quit when the going got tough. They are some of the best docs out there in my opinion.... Why? Well, it may not be because they went to the best school or the best anything, but they have a motivation and drive level that is rarely matched by the run-of-the mill "fair weather" types that stumble in here for a brisk brag after finally passing O-Chem after 14 times. What you say about pods makes me laugh because you, well, maybe not you… but most know the truth. Pods have the legal and the technical abilities to do things that most MD's can't do and MD/DO have legal and technical abilities to do things that pods can't and we all are aware that the run of the mill pod isn't passing out birth control or digitally checking prostates. Your venom was completely wasted because like FMGs, we are what we are by law and ability, not by ego (bragging ability) and perception. Try again later when you get over sulking about "it." from IP address 148.244.150.52 |
Right on RDby anon (no login)Right on RD. As an inferior medical helper, I have lived a quiet desperation. I only wish I had heeded the advice of a surgeon who 1st heard of my quest to be a podiatrist. He asked me "when did you go crazy?". I told him " a long time ago". Wow, was he right. If only I knew then what I know now, I would have gone the MD route. I had the grades to do it, but as a naive 22 year old, I did not have the forsight. The internet was not what it is today. It truly amazes me to see the same blindness in the young people who post on this sight looking for advice on which school to attend, etc... When they should be focusing on getting a real medical degree. With all the information about this dubious medical specialty, how can an intelligent person even consider it? Although podiatry is better than it ever was, It will never be equivalent to being a real doctor. At least not in our lifetime. The APMA is spewing out the same propaganda it did 20 years ago. If we are equivalent to MD/DO, why do I need the name of the MD/DO and date last seen by him/her to cut toenails on a dysvascular foot? Why can't I diagnose PVD under Medicare regulations? Why can't the APMA, if it is telling you the truth about podiatry, explain to us how we are "Important members of the health care team", but can't make a very simple diagnosis under Medicare rules and regs? Why can a nurse in a MD/DO office make this diagnosis, but we can't? I only use this as an illustration. For the uninformed, there are dozens of similar discriminations throughout the careers of podiatrists. If you are considering podiatry, please reconsider, you can go MD/DO and still practice what you want, any way you want, set your own hours etc... Do not fall for the fancy CD's/brochures. They are a slick fast sell into a fringe medical specialty on the outside looking in. My 2 cents. from IP address 68.56.221.112 |
Amen-Caveat Podiatryby jun (no login)Amen- THis is entirely correct, as a PSR-24 and RPR trainined pod, I truly agree, podiatry will NEVER be a mainstream specialty. The foot/ankle orthopods can do the bones, the derm do the fungal nails, and the vasc. sx does the PVD, and the RNs, and FPS can clips and debride. The DPM is a very restricted degree as eloquently pointed out in the previous post. As the naive 20 somethings with no real foresight who are relying on t he APMA, teachers and other do-nothings to tell them that pod. is good, great and wonderfull as they cash their student loan checks with no repayment programs going into 2006. The pod. orgs. rely on factually incorrect and outdated info. to get students who are naive, ignorant, and lack business acumen to sign their lives in student loans with a rather dubious quasi-medical degree. Stay out of podiatrics--and go to a legitmate medical career--MD/DO, DDS, DVM--you will be infinietely better off- No profession is perfect,--but for 150K in students loans, time, effort etc... one should not be struggling so hard for so little. from IP address 134.174.248.70 |
My dear, your 2cents ain't worth a dime.by Podiatrist (no login)My dear, The fact that you start your posting with the statement that you are "inferior" speaks volumes. Nevermind the rest of the drivel. We've all heard it before; the "real" doctor jibes and the ones about how you can't practice your profession, boo hoo, boo hoo. One would think, after reading your little missive that Podiatrists are some group of nefarious frauds that have taken hold of an unsuspecting public. Meanwhile my patients continue to thank me for saving their legs, for diagnosing them with vascular disease or helping them walk again. Your attempts to discredit this profession will not work, I'm afraid, too many people can bare witness to the negative tone and deliberate manner in which you slander hard working professionals. Save your two cents, you'll need it to buy back some of your dignity. Cheers. from IP address 143.104.182.133 |
replyby anon (no login)Why the personal attack? Why not an intelligent debate about the few points that I made? I have heard your "arguments" many times and seen similar posts. The several points in common is the lack of civility, ie: attack the messanger, and the lack of debate regarding the facts of this profession. If we are not inferior, then why must you get the name of the MD/DO on the medicare claim form so you can cut toenails? Why can most podiatrists not admit patients to hospitals? Why are we frequently told " this is not payable to this type of provider" by medicare and other insurance carriers, why can we not bill and be paid assistance fees when we assist other surgeons? Where did you get that 'you can't practice your profession" in my comments. All of these restrictions "are" podiatry. That's the point. Podiatry is a limited license profession, NOT and equivalent to MD/DO. Where did you get the idea that we are "nefarious frauds" ? Where in my text did I mention that? We do perform a valuable service, but one that is full of restrictions. We do nothing that others can not do, we are replacable. Can you say the same for cardiac surgeons, pediatrics, dentists, etc...? Where do I discredit the profession? I only speak the facts about the profession and your rant does nothing to dispute the facts that I have mentioned. Where is the slander? I too am thanked for saving feet and relieving pain and suffering. I am only try to prevent more pain and suffering of young naive students who are considering this limited license profession. If you can't dispute the facts, go on the personal attack. Great political strategy, and unfortunately one that works. 2 more cents, dignity intact. from IP address 68.56.221.112 |
2cents +2cents= nonsenseby Podiatrist (no login)Here is the debate you asked for: Point #1: your entire argument rests on a FALSE assumption. In your previous posting you state that podiatrists are not allowed to diagnose Periph. vasc. disease without the supervision of an MD/DO. FALSE. I routinely diagnose and treat patients with PVD. In fact my medicare billing software has the required field which pops up everytime I bill under this code(440.20), asking me if I am the supervising doctor in this case or if the patient is being supervised by another doctor.The operative word here is OR. The patient can be treated for PVD of the feet by myself or an MD/DO. I fill out the field putting my own UPIN as the supervising doctor. I get paid 3-4 weeks later for treatment of a patient with PVD which I have diagnosed. Not only that, but I also get paid for the doppler study performed by myself to establish the diagnosis! Could it be that your entire assumption that podiatrists cannot diagnose PVD is based on a simple lack of knowledge about billing? And don't even tell me I am wrong on this, I have been doing it for many years now. By the way, I get paid for diagnosing neuropathy as well (250.60). There are even CPT codes for this routine evaluation and treatment of patients with neuropathy, the G0246 codes. Which brings me to my next point. Point #2: You go on and on about "personal" attacks. Well let me point out how personal you have gotten with your words stating that Podiatrists are not "real" doctors, how you want to keep students from repeating "mistakes". If these words are not a personal attack on the integrity of thousands of hard-working and educated Podiatrists, I don't know what is. So don't be surprised if my words have a bit of bite to them. You should learn to get as good as you give. Point #3: Definition of a "real" doctor; if, as you say, podiatrists are not "real" doctors, what do you call a Radiologist who doesn't even see patients? What would you call a Phychiatrist who doesn't even place a hand on a patient? What do you call a Pathologist who never even prescribes a medication? I have to laugh out loud at your silly idea. This doctor actually sees patients, diagnoses illnesses, operates on the problem, takes the x-rays of the problem, interprets the x-rays, prescribes medication and gets paid for the work. So you see my dear, your definition of a "real" doctor leaves much to be desired. Point #4:You take me to task for my incredulous reaction at your baseless attacks. What is one to infer from the position you take in your posts that students who seek a career in Podiatry are making a mistake? That they don't know what they are getting themselves into? I would infer that you are accusing this profession of perpetrating a scam of some sort, some "nafarious" act on unsuspecting victims. Again you are guilty of an unsupported assertion. The fact remains, thousands of Podiatrists are working daily in hospitals, in clinics, in private offices and in the armed forces doing one thing; helping their patients. As I have stated before, open the phone book and call one up. Point #5: It is and will continue to be, my contention, that you and those who post similar negative attacks based in anecdotal references, not in fact, have some serious issues to deal with. For some reason, you chose the wrong profession or failed to thrive in it. As if this weren't true of other professions (including, the almighty "MD",lol). The anger you feel at failing plays out in these online forums to the detriment of others who, in your shoes, might easily succeed. Were it not for those nasty little jabs of discouragement you most eagerly provide while feeding that monkey on your back. That being the case, I will continue to expose you and those like you that want nothing more than to feel better about yourselves by sinking the hopes of others. Have a nice day. And don't forget to write. from IP address 152.163.100.130 |
No 2 Non Senseby Tee TIme (no login)I think you've confused "real doctor" with " Genuine Doctor" ...Er.. "Medical Doctor" Do you really think podiatrists are medical doctors? ROFLMAO Come On, It's fine if you are happy doing what you do, but please don't feed these lies wholesale to the innocent youth, and especially to others who know better. Fact is the vast majority of people have no clue to what podiatrist training is. To the average joe dumb-ass citizen, you're a doctor. A doctor that cuts old ladies and diabetics toenails, and takes care of corns and calluses. Not that these arent "medical problems" i guess you can say they are, after all a lot of folks have them and by god when the nails get thick, well you can't dremel them yourself. Fine, knock yourself out, hey i hope you make a million dollars, i just wont sell my soul for money. It's to priceless to me. Now again if you're happy, hey more power to you, but please dont be in denial, it is so unbecoming of you as a dedicated professional. from IP address 68.155.165.97 |
Sod'em and Gopher'emby Podiatrist (no login)Seeing as how you have been taking my every word to heart, allow me to expand upon my positon (as if I hadn't already made myself abundantly clear on a multitude of postings). 1. I have never claimed to be anything I am not. I am a podiatrist. I work on problems of the feet. I make a good living at it and am glad to be doing what I do. Podiatry will in time, afford me an early retirement and TIME (the true reward) to do many other things. 2. I perform my work with confidence, ability and to the betterment of my patients who are generally very grateful and happy they were treated by me. 3. I have never stated that podiatrists treat non-descended testicles, tuberous growths of the anus or any number of maladies that might afflict your average malcontent. 4. You and your ilk, routinely visit these sites in a forlorn effort to regain the past. Alas, like the famed protoganist of Proust's great work; Remembrance of Time Past, you find that it has escaped. 5. This realization causes you distress, I understand. But, you must come to realize that the failings in your life or the anger at mistakes you yourself made, cannot by any means be shoved off in fits of disparaging statements against hard-working professionals. Nor, should you attempt to crush another person's dreams or aspirations to quell your inner conflict. 6.By all means, be honest about your experience, others may benefit. But draw the line at false generalizations, unsupported assertions, baseless lies and outright disrespect. 7. I give as good as I get, in none of my postings have I disparaged others without their initial rudeness and disrespect duly noted. So, my faithful companion, I leave you with these parting words from the immortal Mark Twain; "Golf is nothing more than a good walk spoiled....." from IP address 205.188.116.134 |
Reply #2by anon (no login)#1: 120.2 CLAIMS REVIEW AND ADJUDICATION PROCEDURES 02-02 treatment that may constitute covered care and should be reviewed by the carrier’s medical staff and developed as necessary. For purposes of applying the coverage presumption where the routine services have been rendered by a podiatrist, the carrier may deem the active care requirement met if the claim or other evidence available discloses that the patient has seen an M.D. or D.O. for treatment and/or evaluation of the complicating disease process during the 6-month period prior to the rendition of the routine-type service or had come under such care shortly after the services were furnished usually as a result of a referral. Good luck if you are audited, I can bill a bunionectomy on every patient who walks thru the door too. Medicare will pay for them, for awhile, then the running and screaming begins. LOL. #2 The FACT that podiatrists are LIMITED LICENSE practitions is what? A figment of my imagination? Or do you treat dysrythrmias and get paid for that too? #3 The FACT that we are not physicians under many instances from military to medicaid is the point. We do diagnose and treat, but we are not SEEN as physicians in many areas of our life. #4 My OPINION is that podiatry is a mistake, and that the intelligent should seek MD/DO. This is my opinion. If we are so equal, why are we having this debate? #5 Why do you assume anything about my success or failure? You really have no clue. Let me end by saying we can agree to disagree. But you still have never really addressed the true problems facing podiatry that I have mentioned. We'll let the audience decide. Chao 2 more cents, that make 6 from IP address 68.56.221.112 |
ah ha! you simply don't know how to bill. lol.by Podiatrist (no login)lol,lol. Sorry about the laughter, but I really cannot believe that your entire argument against podiatry is based on a false assumption! You just gave me the "official" claims review procedures for patients being treated for "routine" podiatric care (nails,callouses, etc.) Sure enough, the requirements state the need for a "supervising" MD or DO for payment of these services.BUT ONLY FOR DIABETICS, AND ONLY FOR ROUTINE CARE! These types of patients make up approximately 2-3% of my practice. To tell you the truth, I turn many of them away. The fact is, if a patient is coming in for "routine" care in my office, it is because they also have a concomitant Periph. Vasc. component. Bill the service under the PVD component with yourself (D.P.M.) as the supervising doctor (yes, you should have the confidence to make that diagnosis since your license gives you the right) and you don't need any other practitioner's name. You see what a little effort makes? Instead you fool yourself into believing that all your patients need some doctor's signature or approval. What silliness. Furthermore, if you are relying on "routine" services to make a living, it is no wonder you are in this dismal state.You are simply stuck in the C&C rut. Pay the hundred dollars for a seminar and lift yourself out of the mire my little callous queen. Secondly, who is arguing that podiatry is not a limited license? What idiot out there believes he/she went into podiatry to treat an anal abscess? Don't be ridiculous. Again, I put the question to you; When has a Psychiatrist ever treated an open fracture of the first metatarsal? When has a Pathologist diagnosed Posterior Tibial Tendon Dysfunction? When has a Radiologist prescribed Unasyn for an ascending anaerobic cellulitis? Sounds to me like they are a bit limited as well? no? Funny, because I have treated all these conditions in the past few months. And don't tell me those practitioners could treat those conditions, I am on my hospital's medical board and know that every department has it's delination of privileges. Bottom line: ALL doctors are limited in the extent of their scope of practice. General surgeons don't treat children with a severe overbite. Orthopedic surgeons don't treat DSM classified personality disorders. Internists don't treat ectopic pregnancies. Gynecologists don't treat brain tumors. And so on and so forth. Get the picture? I'm afraid that your real problem is the fact that you are unhappy with your choice of profession. And guess what? That's ok too. The average American changes careers three times in a lifetime. Just don't put the blame on the profession for doing what it does. Before committing my time and effort to this field, I realized that I would be working on feet for a living. Not the worst thing in the world. Think of the dentists in people's rotted teeth all day or the hospitalist with all those disimpactions to perform and those guiac tests. How about the oncologist with all those patients he cannot save. All doctor's help people in some way in the end. The fact that you require some special recognition or "respect" to gain inner confidence is only a testament to your frail character and not the limited scope of practice. Keep looking for those MD/DO signatures if you wish, I for one can take them or leave them. Signed, changemaker from IP address 205.188.116.134 |
WOWby Anonymous (no login)He just made you look like a complete idiot. No wonder you post so much...you've got nothing better to do with your time. He knows what he's talking about... from IP address 68.164.127.186 |
Forget Podiatricsby James (no login)Podiatry is a joke "profession". At least in dentistry--very redundant and boring-but you can make a killing. Podiatry is like most US jobs--work very hard and make very little--with nothing to show for it but HTN, cardiac dx, and psoriasis, Invest, buy stocks, real estate and forget about the futile American "dream"--it is jus that--a dream. Most Americans are work addicts similar to those addicted to porno or cocaine. Except, that it is socially acceptable to brag about work and how hard someone works-as their family suffers and their life suffers. Forget podiatrics, invest--- take the 150K for podiatry "school" and buy some land in a good area and sell it in few years--forget working or working for da man--only brings misery and sorrow and a whopping 10 days "vacation" per year and endless paper shuffling, faxes, floursescent lighting, cubicles, computers screens and endless lame meetings. from IP address 134.174.1.26 |
Just coz you think it dont make it so!!by (no login)Well well, such fecund prose, but still it doesn't help. You know, denial is not a river in Egypt. How many real jobs are out there for you if you have the almighty Podeity degree, DPM? Can you get some extra bucks moonlighting in the ER? Can you get a Job as a medical director of a nursing home, neh medical director of anything, save another podiatric residency program? Can you work in public health as a consultant for say, oh the CDC ? Or how bouts as a top-tier decision maker for say Cigna? Do tell, where are the jobs in podiatry outside of being a slave for some shabop to take advantage of? The simple fact is that a DPM is an inferior medical degree. It doesn't open any doors, best I could tell in my few years before I got out and went to do something I really enjoy, it seemed to close a lot of doors for me. I don’t know about nefarious frauds; but the podiatry schools bring an opprobrious monument to human greed, selling lies and deceit wholesale to unsuspecting naive young men and women who just want a fair shot at their dreams. Do tell where are the jobs for podiatrists that they can use the wonderful skills they've spent years and years learning and hundreds of thousands of dollars to get. Do you really think the risk reward ratio is there for the average person who enters podiatry school, and my oh my are they ever average too. The standards are really high: heartbeat, checkbook, you're in!! WE don’t really care if you can cut it, we want that money and will tell you anything to get it. Are these young and hopeful souls ever told the truth? Hey look this is really how being a podiatrist is, "there are few if any jobs for podiatrists out here. There is an occasional HMO job which are rarer than hens teeth, mostly slavery for older pods who want to take advantage of you, and if you decide that private practice isn’t for you can become a military podiatrist and be in the Medical Service Corps, uh sorry not the Medical Corps. Or maybe you can get a VA job, those are really rewarding careers cutting old veterans toenails and nasty ulcers. Oh and well, good luck transferring these skills to anything else. The fact is you will cut and grind thousands and thousands of toenails and schnide thousands and thousands of corns and callouses, and maybe do a hammertoe or two. You will do it for 50 cents on the dollar, you will fight for every nickel from patients who think you already have more money than you'll ever need and don’t want to pay you such exorbitant fees for a nail job, and insurance companies who'll give you the run around the block for three months before they send you a fraction of your bill, the rest of which you will write off. The cost of doing business will continually rise, while your reimbursement declines, and if you are lucky, you might see one or two interesting cases a week, then you better be careful coz if anything goes wrong, well that DPM don’t hold a lot of water in a jury's eyes up against those vascular and orthopaedic docs; better settle those kinda "iffy" cases while you can still cut bait. And, as for the BIG money you think you'll make, uh well you might but prolly not. And, you will definitely look forward to those Podiatry Institute meetings where the slides and lectures are about fixing pilon fractures and major rearfoot reconstructions with LOT AND LOTS of hardware, procedures you'll never do in a thousand years! But hey, they'll be at nice places and you'll be in good company with others as miserable as you will be" I don’t think so. I'll stick to my profession i entered after 5 years of podiatry, i went back to school and got a masters in golf and turf management. I have the past seven years been course advisor at a PGA Tour golf club, I earn a great salary, benefits, retirement, profit sharing, oh, and i get to have one hell of lot of fun playing golf too. Go tell the BS to some young kid. I lived it, podiatry is not, nor will ever be, the medical profession that it thinks it is. Just coz you think it, don't make it so!!! Speaking of dignity you arrogant twit, brush the toenails out of your hair before coming to the golf course, it's embarrassing for you to let others see that!!! from IP address 68.155.165.68 |
Boo hoo, boo hoo from Dr. Sodby Podiatrist (no login)Dear Director of Greens Managment, I am writing to express my displeasure at the current state of the Turftoe Country Club greens. Recently I have encountered a most unpleasant and displeasing worker who seems disgruntled and angered at all times. He claims to be a failed Podiatrist and is most upset over the nagging thoughts in his head, over his inability to make a go of that career. He spends his days on the internet expressing his distaste for Doctors of Podiatric Medicine, swearing to all the world over his misspent youth. Calling his attention to a wayward gopher eating up the 10th hole, he actually had the audacity to tell me he was busy. With what, I will never know as all I could see him doing was mumbling to himself as he was shoveling manure into fertilizer spreader truck. Offering to help in some way, I gave him my opinion on the situation. But he only got angrier and more confrontational and threatened to pull out my toenail with a golf tee. As a paying member of this esteemed country club I demand that this be looked into! We cannot have these types of characters floating about the rough in a state of such anxiety. what next? Waiters with issues? Caddys with attitude? Please foward this letter to that fellow in question and tell him to have my cleats cleaned by noon on Wednesday. Sincerly, Cursed Fate from IP address 152.163.100.130 |
That's your response?by Tee TIme (no login)Real bright there Toe Jam Man. You didnt address any issue I raised about job opportunities for the all mighty podeity, you didn't adress really any issue in the post. You simply made a personal attack on someone who happily decided at a young age to get out of the profession and seek personal fullfillment somewhere else. Your person degredations, e.g. "have my cleats cleaned by noon" allows me to question who is really angry here. Sir I have the same degree you have, plus a Maters degree in Golf and Turf management from a major State University system. I dont clean cleats, I design championship golf courses and supervise the planning, contruction and installation. I don't cut grass, except for my wife, lol, and surely dont give 2 cents what you Dr. Shabop thinks about it. The facts are plain to me. Podiatry is a profession that has for all intents and purposes, become the Rodney Dangerfield of medicine, fact is you get no respect. Are the other physicians your peers? You might think so, but do they consider you a peer? Iknow from my knowledge of the training and standards of education of podiatry, I certainly would never allow any podiatrist to do any kind of major procedure on myself or any member of my family. I'll go to the orthopod. Now if you wanna Dremel my Fungi-Nail well i might consider it. Why do podiatrists have so many profesional struggles? I 'll tell you my opinion, It's a wannabe profession, trimming nails and corns and callouses. That's the average guy in your field. Not fixing Pilon fractures and getting called to the OR for MVA trauma to the L.E. You can blow your own horn all you want young twit, noone is listening. Ten-Fore Good Buddy!! from IP address 68.155.165.97 |
Allow me to play through.......by Podiatrist (no login)here we go again....lol I hope you are learning something from all these chats. I'm sure those folks following our exchange here will come to realize who is indeed the "plain" one. I for one, allow my insight into your predictable arguments and responses, speak for me. The silly jibes about cutting corns and callouses never bothered me, you see. My self worth was never built on the impressions of others. Those poor misguided individuals who lack the inner strength to assume their full character in life, have their own misery to contend with. What I do know is this; I completed my residency about ten years ago. I found a job with an excellent doctor, I learned from my experience, I started my own practice, it grew, my investments grew as did my self-confidence. As did my net worth. My self-worth was never at issue, unlike you my friend. I could retire within the next 5 years, if I choose. Do I think the MD/DO's respect me? I don't really care, seeing as that I'm the one telling the Internist to clear my patient for Wednesday's case. Or telling the Radiologist to re-read that MRI, since he missed that 10cm soft tissue mass surrounding the achille's tendon. Or telling the Anesthesiologist to put my patient under light sedation as I perform an ankle block. And you know what? They listen, without a peep. Because in this world you command respect. And funny, never once in ten years of practice has one mouthed off to me, to my face at least. I'm sure there are ignorant fools that might disparage podiatry behind my back, too bad they haven't the guts to say it to my face. I guess It's kind of hard to speak directly against an honest, accomplished and decent individual. This may be a revelation to you, as you are still chasing your demons here on these Podiatry sites, perhaps it will give you something more; enlightenment. Hold on to that "Masters of Turf Management" degree, it may be the only evidence you have of your abilities in life. I'll hold on to my patient's good word and good will. Those kinds of things don't tend to go up in smoke when life get a bit heated. Keep up the good work, and keep working on that handicap. from IP address 205.188.116.134 |
Wake Up About Podiatryby Tim (no login)160K in student loans with no re-consolidation options for a lower interest rate. Inconsistent training Non-uniform scope in all 50 states Low pay starting out and into 10 years out similar to those "PhDs" who work very hard to do nothing with our taxes. Low resident stipends No mandatory in-training rigorous exam akin to MD/DOs General medical public still no clue what a pod does or training completed. No real research, case studies and retrospective reviews DO NOT count from IP address 198.7.229.2 |
Podiatrists and their inferiority complex ...by (no login)dispensible foot docs ... Hmmm, aren't we all dispensible? Even you RD! It's okay that you don't think we are physicians, calling me a surgeon will be just fine. And by the way, I doubt you will be able to dispute the validity of us being called surgeons. Do you have another name to call us? Especially for those of us who can ORIF pilon fractures and ankle fractures? Ahhh, who cares abount semantics anyway. Not I. from IP address 66.176.61.204 |
Job Seeking Seriouslyby Pod Resident (no login)Currently finishing a PSR-36 and will be looking for a job on the east coast. If anyone has any info on job prospects please let me know. Thanks! Pod Resident from IP address 69.253.192.236 |
PSR-36? No such thing.by cfd (no login)nm from IP address 69.171.48.38 |
Re: Job Seekingby Pod Resident (no login)You are obviously uninformed. Educate yourself from IP address 64.12.116.130 |
RE: job seekingby a happy podiatrist (no login)With a PSR 36 you should not have too much difficulty, particularly now since it is getting late in the year. I suggest contacting PICA (insurance company) since they often broker practices, and you might wish to join the pm news yahoo group since there ads on there every day. As much as I dislike them, the APMA news might be a good source as well in the classified sections. There is a large group in Florida in the Boca Raton, West Palm area that only hires PSR 36's and I believe is looking all the time. A little simple yellow pages search might be fruitful without giving too much more info. If you want to post an email address here, you might get some good response if you want. There is also a GREAT practice for sale in Michigan that is PERFECT for a PSR 36, and in fact due to the nature of the practice that is really the only kind of practitioner who could do it. It is posted on the pm news yahoo group. I would give an email address for a few things I know about but due to the nature of the board here, I don't want to get bombarded with SPAM hate mail due to some of my previous posts. from IP address 207.200.116.204 |
Re: Job Seekingby Pod Resident (no login)Thanks for the positive info!!! I will take your advice! Pod Resident from IP address 64.12.116.130 |
Is it really THAT bad??by (no login)hi, I'm a year 12 student in australia and i need to fill in my uni selection form in a month. (you have to go to uni and do a bachelor of health science in order to become a podiatrist)podiatry is on the top of my list so i've decided to do some research on it. so that's why i come across this podiatry forum. However, this forum sort of scares me, because there are soooooooo many podiatrists here complaning about their job, complaining about how they're totally underpaid and need to clear their loan and stuff. (and i've read someone saying that they actually cut old lady's toenail for a living.... i don't wanna do that!! <-- at least not everyday) firstly, i want to become a podiatrist because i knew that this is a profession that you can help people, plus, there is a skill shortage of podiatrists in australia and there are NO podiatrists in Hong Kong (my birth place) so i'm thinking that if i become a podiatrist, i would be able to work in both places. however, i do want to have a life where i don't have to worry about money, is podiatry really underpaid?? (or is it just in america) and another question is that do podiatrists have to do a lot of paper work?? (coz i HATE writing stuff...) any answers to my questions will be appreciated. thanks Elaine from IP address 60.231.116.129 |
Some Truthsby Podiatrist (no login)Dear Prospective Student, Please see my posting under "intelligent critics". from IP address 143.104.182.133 |
Hong Kongby (no login)what are licensing requir,ent for Hong Kong and what are the limitations of practice? ps: The states allows one to make as much as you can within the scope of the state that you practice in. from IP address 71.49.214.66 |
how to practice podiatry in hong kongby (no login)i am a french podiatrist and try to find a way to come practicing in hongkong. i am looking for any informations which could help me in this project. thanks to anyone who can help me. from IP address 84.5.218.7 |
Intelligent Criticsby Brian (no login)Hello to all! I am a Junior at Butler University! I have planned on attending medical school since I was a freshman in high school. I have a 3.6 GPA and a 27 MCAT. I believe I can get into at least one medical, osteopathic, and podiatry school with those scores. But after considering all options I still believe that Podiatry is where I want to be. The only negative feelings I have come from reading this site. I gather a slight bit of comfort by realizing that most of the people bashing podiatry can't even spell correctly. Take this earlier post for instance: Well, your grades are realy just fine. In fact, there are only two requirements to enter into podiatry college. Tey are: a heartbeat and a checkbook. I hope you are able to meet this qite minimal standards! Come on! Is it really that hard to spell "they" and "quite" or to understand that it just sounds plain weird to say "podiatry college." On top of that I would have probably said "these" quite minimal standards. I am not exactly an English major but if I were to bash podiatry on a podiatry forum I would at least try to sound half-way intelligent. Also, if that kid with lower than a 2.5 gets into any field of medicine with those scores then I am moving to Canada. Sorry buddy, my suggestion is not to give up on Podiatry but rather to take an extra year or so and raise your G.P.A. and really bust butt on studying for the MCAT. If you can't then you need to look at other careers. The truth hurts but wasting lots of time and money hurts worse. Right now I can't distinguish between the rich kids who's daddy wanted them to be a doctor but failed and the actual doctors (MD) that are giving genuine advice. I ask that the people who actually have a clue what they are talking about please respond to this post and tell me good reasons why I should choose Podiatry over allopathic medicine. The other thing is, I'm sick of people talking about "hacks" of the industry. There are "hacks" in every industry. If I were to go the Podiatry route I know for a fact that I will go on to a three year surgical residency and become the best dang Podiatrist in my area. With that being said who can tell me some good reasons why I should not pursue something I feel like I will love. from IP address 12.222.72.183 |
Some truthsby Podiatrist (no login)Dear Friend, Here are some facts about podiatry from my own experience: 1. Over the years Podiatry schools have accepted less than qualified candidates from the pool of students. This was done for obvious monetary reasons and without regard for their ability to complete the 4 year program or even gain acceptance to a residency program. By less than qualified, I mean that they might not have been fully prepared academically, emotionally or socially(a successful podiatrist requires good inter-personal skills). 2. These folks, while well intentioned and perhaps even academically gifted, were not prepared for the reality of Podiatry in practice. The reality of the need for a strong business sense and a "self-starter" attitude. These same folks, with an allopathic degree might have found themselves settling into a research, teaching or consulting position and making a comfortable living (maybe not). In podiatry, however, these options are few and far between. Thus the resultant group of disgruntled, vocal and in some instances rightfully angry former Podiatrists. There is also, once in a while, the failed Podiatrist who through some unfortunate cofluence of bad luck and bad choices, finds himself without work. This is true for any medical field though and should not by any means be attributed to the field as a whole. 3. The large majority of students were, and still are, well qualified and above average in their achievements. Some quite exceptional. 4. More so than allopathic medical school, the Podiatry student needs the right combination of the following: Intelligence (this is a given in any medical field), Persistence, Personality skills, Business sense and a healthy spirit of Self-Reliance. The reason for this is simple: The DPM degree is not a flexible degree, those that are not practicing Podiatry find themselves with few other options. 5. The big payoff is that if you do the right things and work hard, you WILL be doing better than your average Internist, Hospitalist, Pediatrician, etc. (See,Bureau of Labor statistics numbers).The reason for this is the fact that a Podiatrist can do quite a bit within his/her scope of practice. For instance, you can create an operating room within your own office. You can run a wound care clinic from that same office, or a gait analysis/biomechanical lab, or a diabetic foot center, or an orthotics and shoe center or even specialize in cosmetic foot surgery if you like. 6. The large majority of Podiatrists are practicing out there, making a good living(well above the average income level), some doing extremely well. Most are in private practice, their own bosses and beholden to no one. Sure, you will hear of the insurance woes, this is true of all medicine. You work around it like any other obstacle. I'll tell you one thing; when I go to the hospital operating room, I know that without me,the Anesthesiologist, the Circulating Nurse, the Scrub Nurse, the X-ray tech and assorted others would not have a case. 7. Those students who gained access to Podiatry school, struggled through and for whatever reason failed to complete a strong residency are stuck in a difficult position. They are left with much debt and few options if they do not have the financial resources to follow through. 8. Much is being done to address these issues, Firstly; the Podiatric Medical Schools are beginning to allign themselves with academic medical centers and other professional schools, thereby relieving the burden on student enrollment profit to sustain their viability. The end result; a more selective process. Residency programs are becoming standardized. The three year model is the best option as it gives the Podiatrist the best combination of hospital experience, medical training and surgical skills to graduate and succeed right off the bat. 9. The following items need to be worked on: Much more needs to be done in Podiatry school and residency programs to educate Podiatrists in business and office skills (billing, coding, investment and financing). Much more needs to be done during residency to train Podiatrists in some of those areas that Podiatrists do best, such as biomechanics, orthotics and gait analysis (these are huge moneymakers). Pedorthists and Orthotists are doing great just on this alone. Many Podiatrists are realizing this and retooling their practice to include more of the biomechanics and orthotics which is truly our stongsuit.Much more can be done to identify those students who are doomed to failure within the first year and have an honest sit down and discussion with them regarding their aspirations, goals and ability to succeed in this endeavor. A truthful assessment of an individual's ability to proceed should be a requirement by the end of the first year of Podiatry school, taking into account the student's academic progress, personal initiative, financial stability and overall satisfaction with their career choice. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure! 10.Don't be so scared! Don't let all the rhetoric of failure discourage you. Life is scary enough as it is without worrying about what hasn't happened yet. Do what you like and enjoy, the success will follow.Open up any phone book and turn to the Podiatrist listings, you will see dozens of Podiatrists working, treating patients and enjoying their practices. Call one up and ask to speak to them. Hundreds graduate yearly and go on to rewarding professional lives. Good luck, live long and prosper. from IP address 143.104.182.133 |
Follow your head and your heartby Stacy (no login)It sounds like you already know what you want to do. I am in the same position as you, high grades and MCAT scores, and have chosen podiatry for various reasons. Good luck! from IP address 137.110.170.56 |
English skillsby Mispeller (no login)Listen up you undergraduate twit, first off the errors are typographical errors and not spelling errors that you have so poignantly point out, and secondly, remind yourself why there is a site like this in the first place. I beg you to find me a website with so many disgruntled professionals in medicine, nursing or dentistry. The fact is you won’t be able too. And I'm so glad that you are so sure of yourself in your plan to do a three year residency. Just remember where these programs came from, and remind yourself that these weren’t even an option years ago. One was lucky to get a RPR, and many went into practice without any residency. The simple fact is that there are very few really happy podiatrists out here. The vast majority make the lion’s share of their money cutting toenails and cutting corns and calluses. Now this might seem like high powered patient care to you but it doesn’t exactly require you do a lot of thinking either. You and your three year residency will be cutting toenails with the rest of them. The ortho guys got the entire trauma LOCKED UP. The ER docs call them, not you. You will spend your days cutting nails with the occasional orthotic, unless you’re one of these that thinks everyone needs them, and a diabetic ulcer now and then and you might inject some plantar faciitis. Oh and you'll do some hammertoes and even a bunion or three. But fasten your seatbelt friend, you're going to be TOLD what you will do and won’t do by the insurance companies and what you will be paid by them as well. Podiatry as a whole in the medical mind, especially of physicians in general is seen as inferior and the training is suspect. Period. Why would anyone in thier right mind "choose" such a profesion if they had the facts. They wont tell you these things to your face, doctors don't usually do that, being mostly of polite company. But you will feel the pain my friend. You won’t get that many referrals, and the ones you do get will be for toenails. My man, the fact is podiatry isn’t really on the radar most of the time. Most docs think of you as a nail cutter, not some hotshot surgeon with something to prove. They refer the interesting stuff to their colleagues, the orthopedist. So you can get wise about spelling or whatever you want, but if you "choose" podiatry, you are more stupid than you look. from IP address 68.155.165.68 |
Spellcheck please!by Podiatrist (no login)Listen up you simpleton. I'll take it that you spelled your name "mispeller" as a joke because it is correctly written as MISSPELLER. The other mistake, however, I cannot excuse as you chose to berate the medical student on his grammar. First of all, your sentence: "...that you have so poignantly point out." is written at the level of a fourth grader in that your verb tense does not agree with the rest of the sentence. Try POINTED. It might work better. Better yet, get your head out of the orthopedists' behinds and you might be able to read more clearly. You can also breathe more easily. Have a nice day. from IP address 152.163.100.130 |
You go nail manby Mispeller (no login)Funny how when you respond you dont address any of the real subject of the reponse. You an English teacher too? Er sorry your a nail nipper who thinks he's important. NOT from IP address 68.155.165.97 |
Another barefoot marathon in the books!by (no login)This was my 10th barefoot marathon in the past 15 months. Feet, ankles, legs feel great, even with running 50 to 60 miles barefoot every week: Marathon Report: http://www.barefootrunner.org/reports/05okoboji/05okoboji.htm Website: http://www.barefootrunner.org Regards, Barefoot Rick from IP address 208.24.179.207 |
Chiropractic student considering podiatricby LostStudent (no login)Currently, a first year student at a chiropractic college. I am thinking of switching over to podiatric because I feel so limited by the scope of chiropractic. I would like to take up some surgical residency. Which one is the better profession? Chiropractic or Podiatric? I am afraid of podiatric because of all the negative posts on this site. Any inputs would be helpful. Thank you LostStudent from IP address 67.85.53.230 |
Switching over??? No!by Anonymous (no login)Stay away as far as you can from both by choosing something else instead while you still can. from IP address 12.65.109.203 |
Answersby Rained on Today (no login)"I am thinking of switching over to podiatric because I feel so limited by the scope of chiropractic." A Podiatry degree is limited too.... as is every degree that I can think of... besides my super hero degree that I was born with (from another post). "Which one is the better profession? Chiropractic or Podiatric?" There is no better or best "profession." Fortunately, only you can decide what your interests and skills would be best suited for. Your worth as a person doesn't depend on your degree or occupation, believe me, no one will care if you are anything short of a movie star or super hero etc. Be careful about the reasons that you select a career! Good luck! from IP address 148.244.150.52 |
Scaredby Sad (no login)Hello, I have thick skin, but this site scares me. I have one question. If a person has an opportunity to matriculate into medical school, should that person take the oportunity? I have heard good things about podiatry and truly believe it to be a needed profession. Maybe I can be more beneficial to podiatry as an MD orthopaedist. To me, it appears that there are very few podiatrist who are happy. I can not afford to make such a large finacial investment for a career that is not making any progress. I thought it was progressing with the introduction of the 3 year residency program. Please be totally honest. Thanks from IP address 66.82.9.28 |
It's Your Choice!by Rained on Today (no login)"If a person has an opportunity to matriculate into medical school, should that person take the oportunity?" No, they should wash my dishes, cut my lawn and bail my hay for a living! I'd love their career choice! "Maybe I can be more beneficial to podiatry as an MD orthopaedist." Maybe and maybe not. Only you know yourself and what you could potentially contribute. Be realistic with your goals and don't fall into the trap of thinking that you are above the normal, because that would be abnormal and actually rather rare. In considering your career options, maybe your best bet would be to consider how you would like the life of an average Professional A and Average Professional B. The truth of the matter is that the average is where most of us fit. If by some wind of fate, circumstance allow for better opportunities, it would be an unexpected delight, rather than aiming for the top only to be sadly disappointed. This doesn not mean we should not have goals, but instead it brings together our dreams and realities for our own benefit. "To me, it appears that there are very few podiatrist who are happy." There are many less desirable jobs than Podiatry... None of us can know the reasons for an unhappy life, it is easy to blame a profession, but who is to say they'd be enjoying lige anywhere else? "I can not afford to make such a large finacial investment for a career that is not making any progress." Be careful what you believe. To be honest, my advice to you would be, stop being so concerned with status. If you like working on feet and ankles and doing surgery, why work so hard and end up being a GP or FP etc as an MD/DO while watching podiatrists do what you would have enjoyed more? If it is simply about a title and degree recognition, by all means, follow your passion and end up finding out "it ain't all that." from IP address 148.244.150.52 |
RE: GPA requirements / Heart and Lungsby Anonymous (no login)I have to laugh!!!!!!!!! Several years ago, I ran into one of my old professors who did the oral interviews for admission at the college. I asked him about the quality of the student applying and being accepted. He said, "remember all of the academic and philisophical questions we asked of you?" "Now I just put a mirror under their nose, if it fogs up, they are in!" He did mention to me that he is still an employee of the college, so anything he stated could be used against him. from IP address 207.200.116.204 |
?Real World Hacks?by RainedonToday (no login)"Several years ago, I ran into one of my old professors... Are the two of you OK? "Now I just put a mirror under their nose, if it fogs up, they are in!" That's really kind of funny coming from an "esteemed" professor! In fact, it is the common thing that is said about individuals who stay academia.... AKA, "they couldn't hack it in the real world." Maybe your professor got confused while admiring himself in the "vanity" between pod school oral exams and it was his own breath he saw in the mirror? from IP address 148.244.150.52 |
Easiest School to get into?by me (no login)What is the easiest school to get into? If your GPA is low, where do you suggest applying? Thanks! from IP address 24.101.59.138 |
Same Old Informationby Rainedontoday (no login)Please, for your own sakes, don't spend the next 20+ years and hundreds of thousands of dollars to simply study the same things over and over and over again. What do I mean? Anatomy, physiology, biochemistry etc. at the undergraduate level, podiatry and the MD/DO schools. If you want to be a MD/DO, you can be just as easy/easier than going to podiatry school, simply go to the Caribbean schools etc and just do it. Podiatry is a great specialized medical field that works primarily on the foot and ankle. If you simply want to be a generalist, proctologist, gynecologist etc or if being an MD is you life-long infatuation, please, for your own sanity and wallet, don't go into podiatry, because you may not be happy and could end up bitter and mainly in debt for learning the same things over and over and over again. If you don't know what a podiatrist does, go find one and ask questions and watch him or her at work. If you are wanting a medical career for the perceived status admiration and money, seek help immediately because you are in the wrong field completely. Instead become a TV star or music maker. No one will know or even care that you are a DPM/MD/DO or whatever. from IP address 148.244.150.52 |
Just checking inby Osteodog (no login)I used to haunt this forum several years ago. It was pretty depressing, but now that I'm firmly entrenched in DO school I can finally exorcise my podiatry demons and look forward to a rewarding career. What's podiatry school like these days? How have the entrance requirements changed since my graduation (1998)? How have the residencies changed? from IP address 69.234.143.101 |
Re: Just checking inby Anonymous (no login)Whew! I’m genuinely impressed with the US student loan system! It’s really a great thing they have those easy loans for the professional students! I just wonder how many in your high school class will be retired by the time you get to working? Lol! Nothing like getting an early start on life! Personally, if anyone wanted a MD degree, regardless of their undergrad GPA or MCAT, they could go over seas and get one. It's really common! I wonder how many DOs ditched their occupation, back in the day, because they wanted to be MD's before the DO degree was widely accepted? I wonder if you would have been one of them? It certainly would have been a test of real character! I just won’t tell you that the DO grads are still looked down on by tons and tons of MDs because I wouldn’t want you to have potential DO demons to fight off! I hope you aren't coming back here in 10 more years and saying that you ditched the DO degree to go for the golden MD in the Caribbean! Because personally, I don't know which would be worse, exorcising podiatry demons or paying back all that debt at age 50+! Great to hear you are finally getting ahead in life and are accomplishing something worth bragging about! Good luck. from IP address 148.244.150.52 |
DPM to DOby Osteodog (no login)Whew! I’m genuinely impressed with the US student loan system! It’s really a great thing they have those easy loans for the professional students! I just wonder how many in your high school class will be retired by the time you get to working? Lol! Nothing like getting an early start on life! Personally, if anyone wanted a MD degree, regardless of their undergrad GPA or MCAT, they could go over seas and get one. It's really common! I wonder how many DOs ditched their occupation, back in the day, because they wanted to be MD's before the DO degree was widely accepted? I wonder if you would have been one of them? It certainly would have been a test of real character! I just won’t tell you that the DO grads are still looked down on by tons and tons of MDs because I wouldn’t want you to have potential DO demons to fight off! I hope you aren't coming back here in 10 more years and saying that you ditched the DO degree to go for the golden MD in the Caribbean! Because personally, I don't know which would be worse, exorcising podiatry demons or paying back all that debt at age 50+! Great to hear you are finally getting ahead in life and are accomplishing something worth bragging about! I was pretty surprised that I still qualified for loans. With interest, my podiatry loans are over 200k. After DO school, I'll be about another 120k in debt. But none of that fazes me. I didn't get out of podiatry to go into osteopathic med school for money. I did it because it was what I wanted to do. Fortunately, I'm married to someone who makes coin so I don't have to worry about supporting myself for the next 6 years or so. The bottom line is that I felt that podiatry offered a limited medical education that prepared you to be something between a doctor and a "practitioner". It's just my belief that if you don't have the education and/or license to practice medicine on the whole body you aren't a true physician. There were too many "buts" in podiatry. Too many things that fell short of being a "real" doctor. I do think that DPM's are real doctors, but they aren't physicians. I just didn't like the limbo feeling and I didn't like the intellectual and practical restrictions placed on me. I also got sick of patients and the medical profession in general second guessing my education and aptitude. I don't mind being back in the thick of it. Life is learning until you die. It doesn't matter if it's formal learning or informal. Formal learning just costs more. from IP address 69.234.107.233 |
DO DO DO, DA DA DA DA, is all I want to say to you.by Podiatrist (no login)Let me get this straight, you get into DO school after failing at a career in Podiatry. Then you have the gall to come back to a Podiatry forum and attempt to undermine impressionable students and residents that frequently seek advice here? In a vain attempt to ease your own torment over that lost time. Spare us your condescension. Everyone of any worth knows that a talented individual can make a living out of any situation. Let alone a person with a professional degree. The fact that you bombed at Podiatry is more a reflection on your own lack of initiative, will power, persistence, perserverance, tenacity or plain old smarts than anything else. Talk to that guy who made a million on the pet rock to realize that success comes from your own endeavors and not from a piece of parchment with some capitalized letters on it. Perhaps if I started giving out degrees like the Wizard of Oz did, proclaiming "omniscience and omnipotence to the bearer", I might just make a good living off of all those poor souls, like yourself, that seek approval from without when it was really all within.Cheers! from IP address 152.163.100.130 |
You're assuming too much my friendby Osteodog (no login)Your first mistake is that you're assuming that I failed as a podiatrist. Not at all. I'll have to assume that you're limiting your definition of "failure" as a lack of income. Let me enlighten you. I practiced for 3 years and grossed 110k the first year, 130k the second year and 160k the third year. "Condescension" can be fun word to use. But only if it's used properly. How, exactly, am I attempting to undermine impressionable candidates/students/residents? I'm only telling my story. I'm sure many will find it informative. Frankly, I feel sorry for you because you are so fixated on the importance of making money as a medical professional. If that's your main motivation then I dare say that you chose the wrong vocation. It may be better for you to engage in a mature dialogue before jumping to asinine conclusions. from IP address 69.234.107.233 |
semantics won't save you.by Podiatrist (no login)My Friend, The definition of condescencion is to convey the idea of your "superiority" over others. In one of your postings you make the statement that you are "finally settled into a rewarding career..." Now if that is not conveying the idea that you are somehow better off than those of us who are happily practicing their profession, then what does it convey? Semantics won't cut it. We know what you mean when you go on and on about how much better things are now as a DO. Spare us. The fact that you did well financially, right off the bat,as a podiatrist, only proves my point further. Most of the potential students of podiatry are after one thing here; reassurance that they will be duly compensated for their efforts. The fact that you were not happy with your career choice is your own problem, not the fault of those of us who continue being podiatrists and making a living at it. I know the truth hurts, but as a doctor you must know that if it doesn't kill you, it will only make you stronger. Consider my words a form of therapy. Free of charge, for old times sake. cheers. from IP address 143.104.182.133 |
DO application---getting inby (no login)I just read your post about entering DO school with heavy debt. I am applying to DO school this month and retaking the MCAT this Saturday ( I scored a 21 last April). I was just wondering just how difficult it is to get in. My undergrad grades were ****, but I entered a MS in Biomedical Sciences with a 3.1 for the first year---I had a lot of distractions...a divorce. Anyway, if you have the time could you give me some advice on how to get accepted this year? I would really appreciate any advice that you have to offer. -Mike from IP address 61.197.160.163 |
Amenby A.B. (no login)Many DPMs, MDs, and "researcher" PhDs need constant self grandisement and validation to help fill their inferiority complexes and inadequacy issues etc.... Happiness comes from within not a piece of paper with initials on it . The world is filled with hypereducated ibeciles. College for the most part is a complete waste in today's day and age. Go into investing, real estate, music, sports, something where you can have fun and make real money. Life's too short for monday morning meetings, faxs, three-ring binders, forms, memos, and flourescent lighting. from IP address 134.174.248.70 |
A question about DO School?by ToeMan (no login)I graduated in 1997 from pod school. I never entered or opened a practice. I graduated & left it at that. I also looked into a change. How did you manage to come up with loan money for MD school, after all the pod loans, since there is a cap. ( Unless you did not have a lot of loans, I needed them). Also, did you have to retake the MCAT? Thank you.....any advice appreciated. The ToeMan from IP address 69.170.143.115 |
Yo, Toemanby Osteodog (no login)First, it might be helpful for one of my responders to read your post. You're asking me for information that I'm qualified to give. Anyway, I can tell you that my credit is fairly heinous. One way to look at it is there are many thousands of college grads with my kind of debt who can still easily qualify for professional student loans. I went to UCLA back in the early, early 80's and paid for my tuition and books with tip money. Despite my 200k indebtedness from pod school, I still qualified for DO loans. I'm starting my second year with no restrictions. I was a little bit afraid at first, but before I even matriculated I was told that as a medical student you can pretty much be assured of getting loans. Feel free to ask me anything you want. from IP address 69.234.107.233 |
Alot has changed...by PM grad (no login)Hey, im sorry to hear that things didnt work out with ur podiatric medicine career, DO is definately a rewarding career...and so is "podiatry". I just completed my surgical residency and am just starting a new associate position doing something I completely love and am passionate about. Look, I assume you had some bad instances with podiatry school but i can sincerely understand because schools can and are actually quite misleading - they never tell you about the amount of sacrifice you have to provide to make a good living and to get somewhere. But you should've seen that for yourself. Obviouly you chose podiatry at one point or another and i'm sure they never put a gun to your head. It is a small profession, so really the ONLY way to make is to be the best at what you do. Luckily, alot of students are realizing that and the quality of graduating podiatrists is on the rise, which is a testimony of the more standardization of residencies - as all is becoming geared to shift to the PM&S-36 model with the elimination of the one year residency. I agree that the profession is not perfect, but what did u expect from a small profession with 14,000 active podiatrists - common sense says that i should think twice and look at the overall picture. I personally chose the profession becuase I liked it and have experienced it. I did what I can do to be simply the best - i went to the best podiatry school adn have gotten one of the best residencies out there and now i am enjoying a 'rewarding' career that i love. I congratulate you on realizing your mistake and finding you niche. It takes guts to move out of an unhappy situation to turn it positive and I can understand why you are expressing yourself on a podiatry forum - you probably think that you have made it and all those podiatrist suckers are stuck - well sir, I am proud of my profession and I do it well. So far it has been extremely rewarding as it has to plenty of my colleagues and friends. I am sorry that was not the case for you but I do comend you for working hard to find your niche. Best of luck to you in your new adventure! signed, a very happy and damn proud podiatrist from IP address 69.192.255.52 |
Great responseby Osteodog (no login)I definitely don't think "all those podiatrist suckers are stuck". No way. I have absolutely no enmity towards DPM's. My problems lie with the schools and the system in general. But, my motivation for writing on this forum is simply because I know there are others like myself who feel that they have to stay put. I feel like, for those who were and who are in similar situations to me, there is a way out. Basically, I think that there are more unhappy pods (percentage wise) than MD's and DO's. I might be mistaken, but from all of my experiences it seems to be true. Since my graduation, things seemed to have improved. One of my main problems was the crap "residency" that I matched with. That, and the uneven education that I feel that I received. I don't want anyone to take offense to anything I write. I'm just offering up my experiences and my opinions based on those experiences. from IP address 69.234.107.233 |
How was your residency, "crap?"by Stacy (no login)I was curious as to what problems you encountered in your DPM residency? from IP address 137.110.170.56 |
Another routeby Anon (no login)Well since Podiatry wasn't all I was led it to be I chose another route too. I went back to college and got another deree, a masters in Golf course and turf management. I am now very happily employed at a PGA tournament course and loving every minute of my life as course advisor. I get to play a lot of golf, i make a very good living with health and dental benefits, retirement, profit sharing and I get to have have one hell of a lot of fun doing it. And, by God I'm not cutting nasty toenails for the club members like i was before. Well I love what i do now, and as for the past, well it was a definate learning experience. I do not regret for one minute gettin out. All you hot shot surgeons, keep on cutting and cuting, chipping and nipping, passing out those orthotics and schniding those corns and callouses. Well i got to go, hot tee time then lunch at the ninteenth...FORE !!!!! from IP address 68.155.165.164 |
Lawnmower Man?by RainedonToday (no login)Lawnmower Man, is that you? Instead of cutting toe nails, you are now cutting grass and trimming hedges? "Movin' on up!" from IP address 148.244.150.57 |
Movin on upby Lawnmower Man (no login)Well if I'm not movin up you and your chipper and nipper buddies definately aren't moving up. But hey you prolly do damn good cutting toenails, right? After all you might even get to belong to the local club and play a little golf. And with all that money you make you prolly pull up at the bag drop in yur new Mercedes, huh? The only problem is, you hate yourself and your profession hates it's self too. And no matter how you "slice it" no pun intended, lol...you still are so deep in the woods you better take an out of bound's drop and a couple strokes penalty. Oh and watch that backswing god knows you got the handicap you've always wanted rite there next to your nail nippers!! 10-Fore Good Buddy~~ from IP address 68.155.165.97 |
Mowerman?by Tee Time (no login)Only perfectionists with green thumbs need apply To fans, nothing says baseball like a beautifully manicured field. To the sport's head groundskeepers, nothing says baseball like a field that's safe for players, consistently playable for every game and aesthetically pleasing, in that order. (The crowd going wild after a rain delay is nice, too.)"You have to keep the field holding together right," said Luke Yoder, director of field and landscape maintenance for the San Diego Padres and formerly of the Pittsburgh Pirates. Otherwise, you're going to watch million-dollar players get injured. the secret to a great field? Moisture management, Yoder said. He's not just talking grass, but dirt, where 70 percent of the game is played. Most groundskeepers looking to advance have a two- to four-year degree in soils or turf-grass management, work for years managing fields in the minor leagues and demonstrate a willingness to "work hard and prove yourself," Yoder said. The hours are long. "During the season, it's an average of 50 to 55 hours a week when the team's out of town," Yoder said. "When the team's in town, it's 80 to 90 hours." The off-season is hardly off: 40 hours a week is normal. In terms of pay, a 2001 salary survey by the Sports Turf Managers Association found that across all sports especially PGA Tour course managers, 79.4 percent of turf managers with advanced Master's level degrees make above $85,000. But annual raises and consistently good benefits and retirement plans push that to six figures fairly quickly. And tenured turf managers, Yoder said, can negotiate for more time off during the off-season and take paid consulting jobs on field construction or design. Take me out to the ballgame, I'll need a nail job, buff and trim after the season's over!! from IP address 68.155.165.97 |
Go Fors on the Greensby Podiatrist (no login) Good for you, you found solice in laying sod. Just watch out for those gophers on the 9th, wouldn't want them to bite off your big toe and have you come in for treatment and a tetanus shot. lol. By the way, the next time I come in for a round, shall I address you as Dr. Go For or just plain "you, there". As they say, the grass is always greener on the other side. Keep up the good work! from IP address 143.104.182.133 |
Toe Bitesby GoFors (no login)Well if i do seek treatment, it certainly won't be from you shabops. Yep cuttin, trimming and laying sod, thats me..er rather my crew. And by the way please don't adress me, just adress the ball before you slice it into the woods you freaking hack. Hack the nails and callouses, hack up those nursing homes but please dont hack up my golf course, oops sorry you're not a member, oh well maybe we'll have a shabopod meeting here one day and you can try yur luck.Meanwhile keep chipping ....hehe, and nipping!! from IP address 68.155.165.97 |
Re: Just checking inby Anonymous (no login)What is the point of coming back to write a message like that? Did you go to a piss poor school or were you just a piss poor student? I would suppose that the school/residency setting is exactly the same as it was when you went to school Mr. I mean Dr. I mean D.O. Whatever you put into it you will get out of it. You can be the best student and fail in the real world and be the worst and be the most successful. Believe me, I have seen it all... Whatever "demons" you are trying to get yourself away from...you aren't going to get my friend. Respect, M.D. will still not be at the end of your name. You are just a podiatrist who still couldn't get into medical school. from IP address 67.175.251.119 |
Huh?by Anonymous (no login)I'm not even sure what it is that you wrote. What does this mean? "Whatever "demons" you are trying to get yourself away from...you aren't going to get my friend." I neither went to a "piss poor school" (are there any??) nor was I "piss poor student" (I finished with a 3.6). And, despite your profound statement "Whatever you put into it you will get out of it" there is a difference when you compare degrees. For one thing, jobs. For another, scope of practice. For another, worldwide practice priveleges. There's also choice of specialty, easier ways to get onto health plans, more places to work, ability to be a hospitalist, etc, etc. Meaning? "I would suppose that the school/residency setting is exactly the same as it was when you went to school". If you followed podiatry at all, you would know that the residency situation is much better than it ever was. And what's this? "You are just a podiatrist who still couldn't get into medical school." You don't consider Osteopathic Medical School medical school? A more cogent post would be nice. from IP address 69.234.107.233 |
good for you Odogby cma (no login)I assume you are anomalous. Isn't that the name you used? Congratulations on exorcising the podiatry demons. I left podiatry and entered med school about 11 years ago. Believe me, no regrets at all. Podiatry just sucks. Medicine is exciting. Don't worry about the posts from DPMs attacking you. They are just bitter, jealous and immature. Medicine rocks. Don't go into primary care. from IP address 12.207.72.33 |
why can't my 13yr old run fast?by (no login)I have a 13 yr old son who is very good in sports, especially baseball, however he cannot run fast. He was treated by an orthopedic surgeon here in Mandeville, La. for another baseball injury. At that time I ask why he could not run fast., the doctor said that when he became 15 or 16 yrs,.old that he could clip the tendons under the toes on his feet but could not guarantee this would help him run faster. Can you be trained to run fast? I hurt for him because he is made fun of and laughed at because he is slow. He is so good in sports otherwise. Is there anything else that I can do to help him... Thanks - A mom in La,. from IP address 68.222.54.10 |
Outsourcing and free Market competitionby Krawler (no login)I almost forgot, the DPM has to play the under dog role in the medical community and try to validate our training and experience so that others will maybe change their minds about us. Please forgive me, but that's a bunch of rubbish. As far as contract medical work, face it, it is the future. NPs, PAs and boat loads of FMGs will ensure cheap generalist health care for America's future. If/when they could find a way to cheaply train specialists, as they seem to have with radiology, they'd replace the rest of us too. Being a doctor of anything doesn't guarantee against outsourcing in a free market. from IP address 148.244.150.52 |
Re: why can't my 13yr old run fast?by Elaine (no login)sorry, i have no idea. but i just want to say that you're a great mum. coz i can't run fast either and my parents never care about it and i even failed my PE. that's why i totally hate doing sports. and then i found out that i've got flat feet when i was 16 and THAT is the reason that i can't run fast. hope your son will become a very good athelete. from IP address 60.231.116.129 |
Rankby future podiatry student (no login)Hello, I was wondering how you would rank the 8 podiatry schools in the country today. I am getting so many biased answers when I talk to the students from each school. I have heard that Scholl and Temple are the best right now. I really like NY and was wondering how you would rank NYCPM. Thank you~ from IP address 151.203.217.4 |
Growing Starts Todayby Rainedontoday (no login)Find one that you like and go. Don't become fixated on status because really, status is in your own head. The old "my school is better than yours" is something that people should have grown out of at 18yo. from IP address 148.244.150.52 |
Re: Rankby dan (no login)DMU all the way. from IP address 67.41.105.124 |
Re: Rankby Danny (no login)I'm a prospective student aswell....and from talking to students and doctors, everyone agrees that you'll porbably get the same education pretty much wherever you go. The difference is going to be the cost of living. I'm applying for fall 06, and I'm debating if i want to graduate 100 or 200k in debt. I really don't want to end up in Iowa, or freakin Cleveland, but I will to keep loans to a minimum. Shoot me back a message if you hear anything otherwise, but that's my understanding. good luck Danny Romman from IP address 66.90.154.199 |
Fine Choicesby J.D. Stellwagen, DPM (no login)In your post you said you don't want to "end up" in Iowa. And you said you want to keep your loans to a minimum. Well First off the DMU is a good school, but there are prolly others just as good. However, the cost of living in Des MOines is substantialy less that the "big city" schools. I found my time in Des Moines to be some of the best years of my life. There is plenty to do, and the people in Iowas are some of the finest people in the world. There are great schools if you have children, and there is a nice YMCA and great public golf courses. I hope this helps you. from IP address 68.155.165.68 |
stop nowby dpm (no login)it doesn't matter which podiatry school is ranked best. they're all podiatry schools. get it? it's in your best interest to stop even contemplating podiatry school. biggest mistake i ever made. wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. try doing something with your life that will not be a constant source of chagrin. from IP address 63.212.166.178 |
To Sum It Up.by rainedontoday (no login)OK so after reading the posts on this page, I have decided to sum up the negatives about Podiatry for those too weak to read all the posts on this page covering approximately a month. 1. Retire in 15 years 2. Can't testify against Orthos in some states (and a general practicioners can?) 3. Clipping toenails is dirty (cleaning feces isn't?) 4. Student Loans (Good thing the MD/DO schools don't have that problem!) 5. Pod Schools aren't ranked in US news 6. The APMA doesn't want to be eaten by the AMA? I'm confused 7. Board examps and gambling and it's 900 big ones to sit at the table and play. I probably missed a post or point, but that sums it up. Almost an entire month of posts and these are the reasons to run from Podiatry. If there were massive amouts of unhappy pods lurking, wouldn't there be more gripes? maybe they are so poor that they don't have a car or internet access? from IP address 148.244.150.52 |
More Gripesby docbadfeet (no login)Podiatry is not what it used to be. Insurance companies have too much contol over our practices. My expenses go up every year and my insurance reimbursements go down. I don't want to do a bunionectomy for $400. Too much liability and just not worth it anymore. I would never recommend my kids to go into this profession. I've been practicing for 22 years and have made a decent living, but I am in need of a change. Wish I could retire. from IP address 152.163.100.130 |
GPA requirements ?!?by perspective student (no login)I'll be applying to a few podiatric schools in a few months, and i'm not sure what GPA is required to even be considered. My GPA isn't very high (below 2.5), but i have a lot of volunteer/humanitarian/community/work experience. Can someone please provide some insight about GPA requirements? Thanks from IP address 24.101.59.138 |
Answerby rainedontoday (no login)Get in while you still can! That's all I will say! Contact the school you are interested in and ask them to evaluate your packet. Ask what needs to be done in order to get a slot. Best wishes! from IP address 148.244.150.52 |
Heart and Lungsby Breathers (no login)Well, your grades are realy just fine. In fact, there are only two requirements to enter into podiatry college. Tey are: a heartbeat and a checkbook. I hope you are able to meet this qite minimal standards! from IP address 68.158.104.113 |
Same requirements!by Rainedontoday (no login)Wow, neat-O! That sounds like the same requirements for a MD degree! If you have a heartbeat and a checkbook, you too can get an MD degree somewhere and be admired by smarty pants premeds who are retaking O chem for the 14th time. The smartest premeds in my opinion are the ones who just go to the Caribbean etc. Actually, Dr. MD generalist, these FMGs are helping to make general medicine less costly for the rest of us who don't want to afford it! Ship 'em on in... I love that cheap skilled labor! from IP address 148.244.150.52 |
Hilarious!by Stacy (no login)I loved your message! from IP address 137.110.170.56 |
Check with the Admissions Counselorby Anon student (no login)Your best bet would be to directly contact the admissions department. I don't know about other schools, except Scholl, but the average GPA there is roughly a 3.2 or 3.3. I know that is quite low for an average GPA and there are high and lows but I did not know anyone in my class to have a GPA below 2.9. Additionally, they'll look at your MCAT or GRE. If you have a low GPA like you said, then your MCAT scores and/or GRE scores better offset it ( probably around a 26 MCAT ). This is only to offset the low GPA. Good Luck! from IP address 68.96.162.128 |
Podiatry Admissions Salesmenby jun (no login)More like an "admissions" salesman THey sell pod b/c it is not really necessary or truly needed so they have recruiters and other slick people to help sell a redundant "profession." from IP address 134.174.248.70 |
Re: GPA requirements ?!?by Anonymous (no login)I think you meant prospective student... for that, i give you the plam. from IP address 198.214.190.231 |
MIS in the UKby (no login)There is a few places left if you wish to attend the MIS conference later this year. If you are interested please visit www.cmifas.co.uk or e-mail info@CMIFAS.co.uk and contact Amin. All you need to know about MIS will be explained and Prof Isham (AAFAS) from America will answer all your questions. Be quick from IP address 84.93.249.73 |
Is it that bad?by T. Nguyen, DO (no login)I have a friend that is a DPM in St. Louis, MO. His first year out of residency, he made 130K. He owns his own practice. So far this year, he is closing in on 100k already and it's only july! He sees a lot of nursing home patients and he makes house calls. He has surgery about 3-4 times a month. He does all his own billings and appointments. He shares office with an infectous disease doctor. He drives a lot and his willing to travel nearby small towns. He is doing great. It's hard work but you can do it. I really don't know what you guys are complaining about! I am a 3rd yr general surgery resident. Trust me, it's not pretty on this side! I work my a** off while my friend is enjoying his life. My residency is 5 years, not including any fellowships. When I get out, I'll start only around 200K for gen surg. or around 300k for vascular or 350k for colorectal, but my friend would be making way more than me because he would be in practice longer, not including time loss for my long residency. Trust me guys, you have a great profession! With the rate that he is going, he can probably retire in 10-12 years! from IP address 68.252.5.73 |
You're a Great Friendby Rainedontoday (no login)He's fortunate to have a great friend like you that isn't so jealous and competitive that you would seek to stab him in the back like many others on this forum. Your friend is simply working at a job he enjoys so that he can feed his or her family. That is what work is all about to most. But then you get others who think job=intelligenc=better than thou! These are the type A competitive types who just can't get over primitive, hormonal driven, junior high school, competition for the teachers pet spot. When there is no longer an authority figure to satisfy their craving for + attention, they become their own authority figure and hate anyone getting any attention other than themselves. They are the smartest, they are the richest, they are the most.... They actually think everyone is looking at them, when in reality, everyone is laughing at them. Mr. hamburger man, I'm a great physician, a doctor of probus minimus and I'd like for you to add more mustard to my 99 cent burger for free and serve it up with awe, because I am an important man/woman! It's a very old and primitive behavior, aka my fish I caught is bigger than yours, so I'm a better fisherman in the village, those ladies are in awe of me! All nice in person, but watch out for those knives in the back online! We all know the types, their criticism isn't founded in anything other than malicious degree bashing based upon strange premises. One has to wonder about their personal integrity, if they even have any. Again, thank-you for your nice insight. The 4 or so angry posters in the entire medical community will be along soon with their primitive stupidity. from IP address 148.244.150.52 |
Here, here!by Podiatrist (no login)Touche, my friend. from IP address 152.163.100.130 |
Re: good postby Anonymous (no login)$750 for a root canal????? Don't forget to add in the crown in a few weeks. Dentists make their own work....we all know the root canal will go bad within a couple of years and will need the more costly bridge etc.. Oh yes...Amalgam fillings have mercury, so get them all replaced to the tune of a few thousand dollars. Just get the damn tooth pulled. Cheaper and less pain. Quicker too! Dentist friends of mine have even told me that deep root cleanings etc. are totally useless and in fact in many cases can make you worse. Just brush every day and you will be fine. WE can all take a lesson from the dentists though. Their national association has been feeding us the take care of your teeth crap for 30 years. Why doesn't our beloved APMA market blitz like them? If they (the APMA) were half as good as the ADA, we wouldn't be in the predicament we are in now! from IP address 207.200.116.204 |
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