Getting ready to send a template for a couple of full caps.

I am looking to build a "quickie" unit. Something that I can attach and remove easily.

I know I want to do a skin perimeter, but I was thinking about it a little today looking at a skin perimeter full cap I bought for an actor awhile back.

Here's my idea.

Having worn a full cap for a couple of months now, I have noticed that there are two key areas where attachment is not critical. Matter of fact, at these points it is almost optional!

The first area is the recession point. I almost never glue or tape right where the temple meets the top of the forehead, and it lays down perfectly anyway, I assume due to the fact that it is curves backward on a rounded surface.

The second area is directly above the ears. It doesn't necessarily lay flat here, but if someone is running their hands through your hair, they generally aren't going to be rubbing the hairline directly above the ears.

Both PSB and #64 lace have given me hassles as far as getting them to lay flat in certain areas, such as the hairline. On my actor's full cap, I didn't go to great lengths attaching, but the skin always seemed to want to buckle in the center of the hairline, and I have a similar problem with #64 on my personal pieces, being that the material is much stiffer than SFS.

I'm trying to avoid going SFS for durability reasons and since I don't comb my hair back often. So here's my idea.

Since I want to order a "quickie" piece, but am cautious about doing a full PSB perimeter due to the buckling issue, I figure I could have the unit built with lace in the non critical areas, to give a little "wiggle room" to keep the wrinkles out.

Here is a quick photoshop rendition of what I am talking about. The dotted lines indicate where PSB is replaced with lace to provide stretch points.



Any thoughts before I order?

You could replace the poly and have the thinnest skin, I have got 2 lace pieces with 3 thinnest skin tape tabs (1 on the back and 1 on each side) And I cannot feel them at all when I have glued or taped them down.

Regards BA.

Hi JRob! i was wondering if you could post pics of that actor,s full cap that you have mentioned a couple of times..is it practical and realistic?

I,m considering a Full cap and still clueless about what is convenient or not and is always a more expensive decision than a topper..

BUMP!

...and a question to B.A: are the super thin skin placed the same as poly is placed? i mean, sealed over the lace? i think that it could be a really interesting option for a full cap if the resistance is enough to go with tape in the neape and side areas...

First off, JRob i am enjoying the research you are doing.

I am getting closer to going full cap myself..probably in the next year, I have had Lorena from windsor do an excellent job on my full cap template but like you I am trying to decide what is best in regards to the final layout of base.

B.A. you mentioned going with the new thinskin instead of lace for the front area of JRobs new design, is it really that durable that a person can apply tape to it and not worry when removing the tape that it wont tear the thinskin or pull hairs out ? because if that is the case I will forgo the poly and go with thinskin on my base designs in the future.

One more thing, I am the type that likes to comb hair back so it will always be lace for me for front and temple area.

P.S. I edited this page quickly so B.A. will know I meant to say is this the new thinskin you are talking about or thinskin material that has been around for awhile? and is the transition fron thinskin to lace just as durable as the transition from lace to poly? in terms of them being joined together in a base design?

jRob, you've gotten me interested in full caps.

What about the nape? I mean when you lean your head back, does the lace get loose and come away from your skin? If so, why not put some thinnest skin under the lace in a few key spots to glue to?

As for the perimeter:
*Thinnest skin by itself: very realistic, but the thin skin hairs don't act like the lace hairs.
*Thinnest skin on top of lace: stronger, but less realistic than first option. I'd think it would be harder to clean glue off the lace under neath.
*Thinnest skin under the bleached lace, with hairs attached to the lace: All hairs act the same since they are all lace hairs. More realistic when messed up. Underside is smooth and easy to clean. Strong. But a bit thicker than thinnest skin by itself.

Please add your own thoughts on the pro's and con's of each.
In every case though, you can't feel the glue through the hair, and the bond is much stronger than lace alone.

>>What about the nape? I mean when you lean your head back, does the lace get loose and come away from your skin? If so, why not put some thinnest skin under the lace in a few key spots to glue to?

The back of my unit sits at the base of the skull, so I don't have to worry about it coming loose there on a daily basis. It does, however, tend to lift after a couple of days, but I don't find it to be a deal killer.

I started to make my new template extending down on to my neck, and since having the template on my head and trying to move around with it I think I will stick to keeping it up higher. It just doesn't seem like it would be worth the hassle trying to keep the nape attached if it extended below the skull. I could be wrong about this and might experient in the future, but as of now it ain't broke so I'm not going to try to fix it......

Hair Soldier-

I will start a new thread with pics of the actor.

Yes I am talking about the thinnest skin.

You can use tape but you have to remove it carefully.

Yes the skin goes over lace just like the poly ones.

Regards BA.